I used to have a brother in my ward whose grandfather was in Marin Harris’ ward in cache valley. He tells a story from his grandfather who was a priest when Martin Harris died. Shortly before his death, Martin called the young men to his home and bore his first hand testimony of the BOM and the plates.
Did Harris also reaffirm that Jesus appeared to him in the form of a deer and walked and talked with him for a few miles? And also that the devil appeared to him but had the head of a jack ass and 4 feet? Any reaffirmations of these claims or denials on his deathbed?
Jacob Isbells question "framing the question" is a form of logical fallacy called "poisoning the well." Some defense lawyers use it in cross-examination to force an answer they want from a witness. Politicians and journalists use it A LOT! Especially antagonistic journalists questioning politicians...😂😅😂😅😂.
I have always felt that polygamy was too protect women and children in the covenant. The things that the pioneers/saints went through was a spiritual war that would have been so terrible. I'm sure that the atrocities that are told in foxe's Book of Martyrs probably were still known and taught during that time. These are things that should be known so that people know what they are fighting for and against.
Compare polygamy accepted in a church with membership in 1862 of about 60,000 with approaching Civil War where as many as 850,000 mostly men of total population of 31,000,000 would be dead freeing the 4,000,000 slaves?
So Cardon put this in your pipe and smoke it. After reading in the Miracle of Forgiveness about Cain when I was about 28 or so I realized that it was Cain whom I had seen looking in my window at me when I was about 8 years old. My mother and one of my sisters were living in Provo at the time and I told them about it all. Hugh Nibley was their gospel doctrine teacher at the time. So not long after that they ran into Hugh in some park somewhere and they asked him about Cain, he told them that he had seen him once when he was about twelve years old and that he had never told anyone about it until now. My Mom and sister then relayed the message to me and I looked for his number and found it a few days later. I was living in the Bay Area San Fran at the time so I called him up cold lol and asked him about Cain and he immediately responded that there were much better things we could talk about. So I thanked him for the brief words we had and never bothered him again. It really caught me by surprise at the time he did not want to talk about it but it makes perfect sense now. This would have all occurred in 1988-89. Another story for another time but it wasn't too long after thought I had a vision and have personally seen our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ, he lives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is his church upon the earth.
The Book of Mormon and it's pure and accurate translation by Joseph Smith, is the most compelling proof of him being a prophet. His introduction of the temple covenants.
Southren Illinois, where the eclipses cross may be the exact place where Lachoneus gathered tbe Nephites to defend themselves against the Gadianton Robbers.
I want to ask Don Bradley his response on 2 Nephi 5:21 and if he thinks the “skins” referenced here is regarding clothing or something other than skin color.
word of the day: "bailiwick". noun. 1. one's sphere of operations or particular area of interest. 2. the district or jurisdiction of a bailie or bailiff.
The daguerrotype of Joseph Smith is unnerving to me. I get vibes of my Dutch grandfather (opa) whom I never met. He feels really familiar to me, but I'm not used to that image being associated with Joseph Smith Jr.
You mean it's not just me? I have the volume cranked up all the way on my computer and on the video, and I still have to strain to hear everything they say.
Even the reality of the fact that advanced scholars could not come up with an accurate translation project would take years to accomplish. It would take a team of many scholars to even attempt it. None could do it in 3 months.
The surviving (book of breathings) papyrus does not seem to match Joseph's description of the papyrus from which he translated the book of Abraham. That said, the book of breathings seems a lot like a corrupted imitation of the temple endowment.
“We cant divide up the historical sources into defenders and critics or whatever.” Bogus. Of course we can. How else can truth be discerned? What a ridiculous notion.
Latin authors most commonly refer to the forbidden fruit as a pomum, a Latin word meaning "fruit" or "tree fruit." Not surprisingly, Old French, which descends from Latin, has the word "pom" (modern French "pomme"), which originally meant "fruit" as well, and was used in the earliest Old French translations of Genesis. Pomegranates have 12 Chambers with many seeds. Joseph Smith was sealed to 12 women. We now know most if not all of them were pregnant and not from Joseph Smith. Edgar Cayce taught that pregnant Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, was selected from 12 virgin Essene initiates at the age of 16 and was betrothed to Joseph, age 35. Question: Who was Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, sealed to? Judge ye....
On the show Doctrine and Covenants Central, there is a show that talks about the Latter days and the Temples being built in Missouri. One of the men stated that there is another Prophesy in D&C that states that is no longer necessary. I don't remember where it is in the D & C. It was in the show "Where will the city of Zion be built according to the Latter days Saints?"
No. My 3rd Great grandfather lived in Nauvoo and knew Joseph. He was also called to practice polygamy and eventually had 4 wifes. Back then, it was a calling that could come through your Priesthood leaders. Two of his wifes were sisters, which must have been even more challenging.
@adamwineera Yes, there is absolute evidence that Hyrum spoke against it as well as Joseph. Look up the Kirtland temple case and there you'll find why other women were "sealed" to Joseph. Brigham Young is the one who created this doctrine of prostitution being holy as long as you're married to them🤦♀️. See... God forgot to create more men so that's just how it goes. That's why men take a front row seat and women are tossed in as holy sx slaves in the name of the almighty 🤨. Men sure do get upset when you take away their spiritual wives though. They're eternal se-x. It's embarrassing for men and they should have more dignity and honor than that kind of behavior
Shortly after being criminally charged for polygamy, Joseph always with caveats, denied being able to "find" other wives. Typical caveats were only Joseph could approve of such marriages, only Joseph's keys, or god's will delivered through Joseph could create polygamous marriages. Thus any other plural marriages were phony.
the degerotype of joseph smith shows a much more rugged and masculine man the painting effeminizes joseph a bit too much that painting the equivalent of a 90's glamor shot vs an id picture like the degerotype portrays
10:37 Then you should know, the Larsen locket is not him, and my Image of the man has that exact upper body strength and massive trap muscles, comparable to Arnold S., we would expect of the man who grew up pull out tree stumps, and width of shoulders are wider than the 49 yo Norwegian Man (good indication is taller than Larsen’s locket)). 100% certainly the man REAL HONEST forensic scientists believe is the Prophet, would EASILY will a wrestling match with man in the Larsen locket… easily…
@@kevinedward4195Church member from Ireland here😊 I left mainstream Christianity several years ago. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the real deal! Appreciate your intent though 🙏 Blessings to you and your family
@@ineedoff1 Maybe try turning away from religion altogether and just coming personally and directly to Jesus. Read the Gospel of John and ask THAT Jesus what is true. Joseph Smith is a false prophet.
No Islamic science? Remember that Obama set as a goal of NASA to help Islam feel good about themselves. How was that going to be achieved? Christian Science Monitor, July 14, 2010
Could the Book of Mormon printers have inserted verbatim KJV passages in an attempt to later discredit it in a similar way God says the 116 pages manuscript was altered by those who had stolen it? (see Obadiah Dogberry)
5:30 What Don is claiming is profound teaching BY Joseph Smith, WAS/IS already taught in The New Testament. Joseph Smith’s MULTIPLE VERSIONS of his CLAIMED “First Vision” in particular The 1832 First Version, are nothing new. Except the claim that there was no “true” Church of Christ on the Earth (a claim many founders of OTHER Christian sects made, would later make.)
@@krismurphy7711 , multiple versions of the first vision account shouldn’t be problematic-there are multiple versions of biblical texts, accounts in the OT & NT that do not match, even contradict. The problem is only that LDS scholars and some leaders have made efforts to conceal, hide, censor, and lie about textual variations (until recently), and, as a result, damage not only their own credibility, but also the authenticity of the Restored Church. It’s an issue of deceitful LDS middle-managers and LDS apologists-a kind of evidence of their own faithlessness, and fear of truth. They are responsible for the harm and damage to the Church.
4:45 A real Prophet would know, or be told by God, that the papyri WAS NOT written by the hand of Abraham. Joseph Smith made a false claim. A real Prophet would know his “translation” was almost 100% WRONG. A real Prophet would know that his “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” book was almost 100% WRONG. A real Prophet would not have made such errors and would have known about his errors, corrected them, or not made such claims.
@@TO-Aloha Can’t you hear the hesitation in his voice? He beats around the bush beats around the bush, and basically ends up with a not too terribly solid reinforcement.
Dont mind Kris Murphy, today his dad took away his Donnie Osmond records.
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I used to have a brother in my ward whose grandfather was in Marin Harris’ ward in cache valley. He tells a story from his grandfather who was a priest when Martin Harris died. Shortly before his death, Martin called the young men to his home and bore his first hand testimony of the BOM and the plates.
Did Harris also reaffirm that Jesus appeared to him in the form of a deer and walked and talked with him for a few miles? And also that the devil appeared to him but had the head of a jack ass and 4 feet? Any reaffirmations of these claims or denials on his deathbed?
I’ve heard this same thing. 😊
Keep the supercuts coming. These are such a better watch than rewatching the lives
Way more informative than any of the anti channels, for it's clearly far better researched.
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Accusers gotta accuse.
Haters gotta hate.
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(Revelation 12: 10-11)
@@rconger24 They didn't have to make it true, but they chose to do so.
THE DON! An actual historian speaks! Unlike the fragile-faith gospel hobbiests who must deny reality to have a Prophet that meets their expectations.
Love these Supercuts! Please keep doing more. Thank you!
I love Don. He is so authentic. He has so much to share. I watched his 2 hour interview by another guy (forgot the channel)and it was fabulous
Don is a transhumanist advisor with
MORMON TRANSHUMANIST ASSOCIATION. look into it.
Perhaps the "Let's Get Real with Stephen Jones" podcast
Love it. Thanks for posting this
Jacob Isbells question "framing the question" is a form of logical fallacy called "poisoning the well." Some defense lawyers use it in cross-examination to force an answer they want from a witness. Politicians and journalists use it A LOT! Especially antagonistic journalists questioning politicians...😂😅😂😅😂.
I have always felt that polygamy was too protect women and children in the covenant. The things that the pioneers/saints went through was a spiritual war that would have been so terrible. I'm sure that the atrocities that are told in foxe's Book of Martyrs probably were still known and taught during that time. These are things that should be known so that people know what they are fighting for and against.
So it wasn’t just Joseph Smith wanting to have sex with as many women and young girls as possible?
Compare polygamy accepted in a church with membership in 1862 of about 60,000 with approaching Civil War where as many as 850,000 mostly men of total population of 31,000,000 would be dead freeing the 4,000,000 slaves?
@@krismurphy7711Don Bradley makes that point very clear.
So Cardon put this in your pipe and smoke it. After reading in the Miracle of Forgiveness about Cain when I was about 28 or so I realized that it was Cain whom I had seen looking in my window at me when I was about 8 years old. My mother and one of my sisters were living in Provo at the time and I told them about it all. Hugh Nibley was their gospel doctrine teacher at the time. So not long after that they ran into Hugh in some park somewhere and they asked him about Cain, he told them that he had seen him once when he was about twelve years old and that he had never told anyone about it until now. My Mom and sister then relayed the message to me and I looked for his number and found it a few days later. I was living in the Bay Area San Fran at the time so I called him up cold lol and asked him about Cain and he immediately responded that there were much better things we could talk about. So I thanked him for the brief words we had and never bothered him again. It really caught me by surprise at the time he did not want to talk about it but it makes perfect sense now. This would have all occurred in 1988-89. Another story for another time but it wasn't too long after thought I had a vision and have personally seen our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ, he lives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is his church upon the earth.
Yay! I made the live. Happy times 😊😊😊
The Book of Mormon and it's pure and accurate translation by Joseph Smith, is the most compelling proof of him being a prophet. His introduction of the temple covenants.
The temple at New Jerusalem descends from the Heavens.
Southren Illinois, where the eclipses cross may be the exact place where Lachoneus gathered tbe Nephites to defend themselves against the Gadianton Robbers.
I want to ask Don Bradley his response on 2 Nephi 5:21 and if he thinks the “skins” referenced here is regarding clothing or something other than skin color.
word of the day: "bailiwick". noun. 1. one's sphere of operations or particular area of interest. 2. the district or jurisdiction of a bailie or bailiff.
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I've heard of a cannon being used against Nauvoo, not mortars around 1846
The daguerrotype of Joseph Smith is unnerving to me. I get vibes of my Dutch grandfather (opa) whom I never met. He feels really familiar to me, but I'm not used to that image being associated with Joseph Smith Jr.
Other experts who have studied Joseph and Hyrum 's death masks say it is not Joseph but Hyrum.
The audio and colours appear to be a 'bit off.
You mean it's not just me? I have the volume cranked up all the way on my computer and on the video, and I still have to strain to hear everything they say.
Even the reality of the fact that advanced scholars could not come up with an accurate translation project would take years to accomplish. It would take a team of many scholars to even attempt it. None could do it in 3 months.
Please have Don go over the 30 contemporary sources that show Joseph practiced polygamy.
Where's the rest of it?!!
The surviving (book of breathings) papyrus does not seem to match Joseph's description of the papyrus from which he translated the book of Abraham. That said, the book of breathings seems a lot like a corrupted imitation of the temple endowment.
“We cant divide up the historical sources into defenders and critics or whatever.”
Bogus. Of course we can. How else can truth be discerned? What a ridiculous notion.
Studying Joseph Smith's Image and Life has another daguerreotype that I think is a better candidate for Joseph Smith than the one presented here.
Latin authors most commonly refer to the forbidden fruit as a pomum, a Latin word meaning "fruit" or "tree fruit." Not surprisingly, Old French, which descends from Latin, has the word "pom" (modern French "pomme"), which originally meant "fruit" as well, and was used in the earliest Old French translations of Genesis.
Pomegranates have 12 Chambers with many seeds.
Joseph Smith was sealed to 12 women.
We now know most if not all of them were pregnant and not from Joseph Smith.
Edgar Cayce taught that pregnant Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, was selected from 12 virgin Essene initiates at the age of 16 and was betrothed to Joseph, age 35.
Question: Who was Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, sealed to?
Judge ye....
Bailiwick is a 19th century word. Even you youngsters should have heard of it
I thought the new Jerusalem would come down from heaven.
On the show Doctrine and Covenants Central, there is a show that talks about the Latter days and the Temples being built in Missouri. One of the men stated that there is another Prophesy in D&C that states that is no longer necessary. I don't remember where it is in the D & C. It was in the show "Where will the city of Zion be built according to the Latter days Saints?"
Is it true that Joseph and hyrum smith condemned polygamy and said that it was of the devil and any man that practiced it would be excommunicated..??
No. My 3rd Great grandfather lived in Nauvoo and knew Joseph. He was also called to practice polygamy and eventually had 4 wifes. Back then, it was a calling that could come through your Priesthood leaders. Two of his wifes were sisters, which must have been even more challenging.
@adamwineera Yes, there is absolute evidence that Hyrum spoke against it as well as Joseph. Look up the Kirtland temple case and there you'll find why other women were "sealed" to Joseph. Brigham Young is the one who created this doctrine of prostitution being holy as long as you're married to them🤦♀️. See... God forgot to create more men so that's just how it goes. That's why men take a front row seat and women are tossed in as holy sx slaves in the name of the almighty 🤨. Men sure do get upset when you take away their spiritual wives though. They're eternal se-x. It's embarrassing for men and they should have more dignity and honor than that kind of behavior
Shortly after being criminally charged for polygamy, Joseph always with caveats, denied being able to "find" other wives. Typical caveats were only Joseph could approve of such marriages, only Joseph's keys, or god's will delivered through Joseph could create polygamous marriages. Thus any other plural marriages were phony.
the degerotype of joseph smith shows a much more rugged and masculine man the painting effeminizes joseph a bit too much that painting the equivalent of a 90's glamor shot vs an id picture like the degerotype portrays
A real prophet would fit into my personal prophetic parameters.
-sMaRt Man
31:30 Not If Emma Smith was the one doing the Abort.
10:37 Then you should know, the Larsen locket is not him, and my Image of the man has that exact upper body strength and massive trap muscles, comparable to Arnold S., we would expect of the man who grew up pull out tree stumps, and width of shoulders are wider than the 49 yo Norwegian Man (good indication is taller than Larsen’s locket)). 100% certainly the man REAL HONEST forensic scientists believe is the Prophet, would EASILY will a wrestling match with man in the Larsen locket… easily…
Bailiwick: the area over which a bailiff has jurisdiction. A person’s special field of interest, authority, or skill.
The court-room version of railroad's "wheelhouse."
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Do you guys dress up in white sheets and burn crosses in people's front yards, you know, good ol Bible-believing Baptist activities?
@@wes2176 You are invited to come see what a Christian worship service looks like.
@@kevinedward4195 They hate Mormons, so they're not true Christians.
@@kevinedward4195Church member from Ireland here😊
I left mainstream Christianity several years ago.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the real deal!
Appreciate your intent though 🙏
Blessings to you and your family
@@ineedoff1 Maybe try turning away from religion altogether and just coming personally and directly to Jesus. Read the Gospel of John and ask THAT Jesus what is true. Joseph Smith is a false prophet.
No Islamic science? Remember that Obama set as a goal of NASA to help Islam feel good about themselves. How was that going to be achieved? Christian Science Monitor, July 14, 2010
Could the Book of Mormon printers have inserted verbatim KJV passages in an attempt to later discredit it in a similar way God says the 116 pages manuscript was altered by those who had stolen it? (see Obadiah Dogberry)
LOL…The Church and its apologists would love that to be true.
@@krismurphy7711 Hey Kris! Good to see you here again religiously 😂
@@cameronreed1411 So only TBMs get to congregate and comment on RUclips?
That would have been easily discovered and discredited before releasing the books or shortly thereafter. Imagine the risk to E.B. Grandin.
@@cameronreed1411 My Religion decries intellectual dishonesty. Mormons use to be honest, now they are just desperate.
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5:30 What Don is claiming is profound teaching BY Joseph Smith, WAS/IS already taught in The New Testament. Joseph Smith’s MULTIPLE VERSIONS of his CLAIMED “First Vision” in particular The 1832 First Version, are nothing new. Except the claim that there was no “true” Church of Christ on the Earth (a claim many founders of OTHER Christian sects made, would later make.)
Thanks for your contribution to the algorithm!
@@i2rtw. Address content, and use my free speech to discuss it. Sorry it is so inconvenient for your faith.
@@krismurphy7711 , multiple versions of the first vision account shouldn’t be problematic-there are multiple versions of biblical texts, accounts in the OT & NT that do not match, even contradict. The problem is only that LDS scholars and some leaders have made efforts to conceal, hide, censor, and lie about textual variations (until recently), and, as a result, damage not only their own credibility, but also the authenticity of the Restored Church. It’s an issue of deceitful LDS middle-managers and LDS apologists-a kind of evidence of their own faithlessness, and fear of truth. They are responsible for the harm and damage to the Church.
@@TO-Alohasounds kinda victim blaming here, but I get it
If Lucy Harris burned the 116 pages there would be no problem retranslating them.
He didn't need to. Joseph knew the important aspects of the pages and preached them to his followers.
4:45 A real Prophet would know, or be told by God, that the papyri WAS NOT written by the hand of Abraham. Joseph Smith made a false claim. A real Prophet would know his “translation” was almost 100% WRONG. A real Prophet would know that his “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” book was almost 100% WRONG. A real Prophet would not have made such errors and would have known about his errors, corrected them, or not made such claims.
Commenting for the algorithm!
You can't claim to know how God interacts with prophets, or what constitutes a *real* prophet.
@@i2rtw Commenting on my Commenting because you don’t have a response, retort, or idea how to try.
Don Bradley is solid. Encore!
@@TO-Aloha Can’t you hear the hesitation in his voice? He beats around the bush beats around the bush, and basically ends up with a not too terribly solid reinforcement.
@wes2176 Wes, I’ve missed your prevarications.