Things I HATE about my 997.2 911
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2022
- I bought a 997.2 911. Here's my first impressions.
I will be of course spending more time with it and my opinions are prone to change!
Let me know what you think in the comments!
What have I gotten wrong? Feel free to correct me!
#porsche #997 #porsche911 
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You don't seem to get it. At all. Sorry man. Peace.
Check out the positive review and see if you still feel that way. If you do, then perhaps I don’t.
Here's Why You Should Buy a 997.2 911
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Wow. I wonder why you bought that car. To be honest, based on your review, you don't deserve a 997.2.
That hydraulic power steering feedback. That's what people don't get in the newer 911s. Man you are very lucky. Appreciate what you got there. Best modern classic 911 ever made. Perhaps the last true 911 in some instances
Bruuh this is not the right car for you. The fact that the brakes rust is due to the tropical climate. As you say, Porsches are made for the Autobahn, to California they also fit very well - but not in the tropics.
As a German 997.2 Carrera 4S owner I can tell you that you are too German, because all you do is complain :D
The average German is supposed to always complain a lot, but even German Porsche drivers (myself included) rave about a 911. That's why you're just the wrong person for this car. And that's not meant in a bad way at all. Driving a Porsche means purism. Few electronics, manual driving (or PDK ;)) and no electric mirrors or bells and whistles. At least until the Volkswagen takeover. That's the way it's meant to be. Rather buy a Corvette ;)
I would love a corvette lol. But they’re too expensive here
You understand very little about this vehicle. Owned my 997.2 C2 6MT for 11 years now. Your complaints are laughable. “The size of the “hood” cover we’re talking about here? You’d be the one to drive around and park with the rear spoiler up 😂
@@jasonwaringschmidt8699 I only park with the rear spoiler up. Make no mistake.
This man has a very intense personality,let’s hope he chills..👍
Welcome to 997.2 ownership. Nothing here to be concerned about - much of what you’ve noticed is down to specification or simply the Porsche way…
Full leather interior feels markedly more classy and avoids the plastic delaminating. Headlights turn off in European markets - DRLs are always on. Brake disks famously rust very quickly. Pro-tip; leave PDK in Park in your garage but do not apply the handbrake. The rear spoiler will lower on the button too - it simply needs the ignition to be on. (Your hinges need a drop of oil.) I’d also recommend swapping out the interior bulbs for LED replacements; makes the interior vibe more contemporary. Finally, the suspension geometry need to be correctly set up for the car to drive well; if it feels wayward at the front you may also have some worn bushes in the rear suspension (yes - rear).
The car is like nothing else; take your time to learn how it feels and drives. There is nuance and subtlety to its character. Enjoy!
Bought a 997.2 S Manual at about the same time. It's freakin' the best car ever!
Got to watch it a second time through and I think your 2 main gripes are the PDK, which I would expect and is reflected in the lower resale price of them, and the center console which is a legitimate gripe and fairly well documented.
You know I’ve been shopping for them, and I found the experience of driving one finally to be exactly what I want in a car, for me, at this point in life. More practical than any 2 seater, enough performance to satisfy, absolutely terrific soundtrack and driving experience, totally capable of “daily” duty, even up here, especially with a backup for truly nasty days.
Excited to see more content on this one. 👍
Garth
With the exception of gas mileage which honestly depends on driving style, traffic, local gas prices, and personal budget, it’s an incredibly good daily.
I had a 996. I've always wanted one, at first I was not sure about how it drove. Thought it should feel "better". One I learned you have to drive it kind of hard and keep the RPM's up a bit it came to life. Don't baby a 911 and it's fantastic.
you can change the infotainement system for a official 2023 one. The part is about 1300 dollars
Keep doing what you're doing. Love you Kyle
Sounds like your PDK needs to be serviced. A full servicing/fluid should restore 1-2 shift lag, which I too have noticed over time. Check if yours has the final PDK update, probably only through Dealers. I love manuals as well, drove one in Manhattan for 10 years. I chose a C7 7 speed to have at another state, but here in the heart of NYC, PDK is really enjoyable, even in non sport mode.
I actually like the weight and feel of the car, and find it pretty nimble to weave around traffic.
As far as the interior, you really have to judge the full leather dash, which takes the car to another level, especially with contrasting stitching.
Beige in my opinion, looks not as nice as the other colors and seems to wear much worse than black interiors.
At least we agree about storage space. I chose the Targa 4S for that reason alone. It's so practical I've transported a bike, 50"tv in a box, and I also use it to transport enough film gear for a good sized shoot.
I had my entire car wrapped in STEK film so I can keep it pristine even in a harsh urban environment.
One thing i really like about the pre 991 cars is the low console. I don't like the cockpit feel, and I don't like to be separated from the passenger.
The 997.2 has just the right size/wheel base, big naturally aspirated engines, and a nice amount of power that feels linear and controllable. I used to own a manual Mazda RX-8 and even with the low HP/torque, the car was blast to drive. You had to learn to drive it well and keep the RPMs up and in the power band for the reward. The 997.2 feels a little like that to me.
Mine's definitely not for sale, but I am looking forward to doing the full PDK service to see if it restores 1-2 shifts and more.
Thank you for the detailed comment. I agree with everything you have to say with the exception of I prefer the cockpit feel but understand why someone wouldn't. To answer your question, no the PDK has not been serviced and it is on the top of my list.
I'll also be making a video where I spell out the things I like about the car and another video specifically explaining my gripes with the PDK.
Porsche does service the PDK transmission. Your only option is to replace it.
@@dontcallmetravis What are you talking about? There is a recommended fluid service interval for PDK, which has been reported to help 1-2 shift. if a PDK is actually broken, Porsche will only replace. However there is a company who developed the part for the most common failure.
Sounds like you bought the wrong car Bro 😟
Time will tell! This is just my honest opinion not owning it for long. If I don’t change my mind I’ll sell and try something new. Most important thing is getting as many different car experiences in as possible!
Such an interesting review. Everyone raves about 997.2. It sounds like it, or Porsche is the wrong car for you but I would suggest driving a 981 Cayman S or GTS. Updated PDK which is razor sharp, loud exhaust with PSE, great induction sound and overall brilliant drive.
The 996 was built when Porsche had no money and it shows in the build quality and materials
The huge success of the Boxster kickstarted the company again and it gradually improved
Dream car. Enjoy the good things ❤
You have to hold the button until the orange light goes out to put the spoiler down
I'm interested in what type of exhaust that is. I have a feeling that if you swapped it out with something less restrictive and better sounding, it'll make it feel less heavy and more responsive.
Do you have any service records on the maintenance of the transmission? Even though the miles are low, a simple fluid change can make a huge difference as well if you're still running 13 year old fluids.
So far I haven’t been able to id the exhaust. And I asked for the service records but it seems like they don’t have them. The transmission service is due though. And on the top of my list
You should sell it since appears have buyer’s remorse
Hope the experience gets better for you also cant wait to see it on the track. If all else fails you should try a boosted miata 🤣
Do have any pictures of the tablet install ?
So much better than the Prelude I had when stationed at Futenma. I love my manual 997 though.
Hello fellow 997 friend !
FYI : if the spoiler is up, you can manually make it go down by pressing and holding the spoiler button 😉
Lol it truly sounds like Porsche is not your brand.
They do look good tho
This is a guy who wanted to be a porsche guy and just doesn't understand. I should've known from his first comment about the windows that he's a new car guy. Great video shot well
By porsche standards, I’m pretty new lol. Most porsche guys have been into cars for 20+ years. I’ve got like 9 under my belt. Certainly my first expensive car.
I swear the best car for you would be a 981 cayman. trust me, go find one and test drive it. it feels night and day different to the 997. all the things you hate about this car is the exact opposite in the 981. feels much lighter, PDK is better, better infotainment. if i were you, i'd exchange the 997 for a 981. cayman - or even boxster. maybe a convertible is even better for tropic climate.
Dude deserve a Prius
Have you seen the new Prius? 👀
Wow! Get rid of the car. If you don’t have sport chrono and the sport button then the gear changes are slow.
I have no idea on what car to recommend to you....Rolls-Royce maybe 😉
Beige colored dash reflects the sun and ends up blinding you on occasion.
Going through the Porsche decision phase now. I’ve driven a base 997.1 and it felt light, responsive and zippy. Feel the same about a Honda s2000, but the Porsche has a more consistent torque band. Therefore, thinking of going w the Cayman as that may have the lightness, zippiness and fun factor i’m looking for.
Those are all accurate and well thought out observations. I agree 100%. The S2k is N/A but due to vtec, will deliver power at the top whereas the Porsche will be more even.
Having owned an S2000 and now this same car, those are worlds appart. The direction is so much more direct and precise in a 911. The front feels very light on the Carrera 2S but not less than in the S2000 surprisingly as the later has the engine in the front. Cornering out is unbeatable in a 911 due to its weight distribution and the power difference is incomparable. The Cayman is a fantastic compromise. Superbly agile on the track too and a pleasure to drive.
Not only you will have to learn how to enjoy a Porsche. It includes also to drive a driver's car and not to be parading around in this most enjoyable body shape
5:32 That’s what she said
Two thoughts: 1. read the manual, it'l answer many of your odd questions and 2. sell it, you seem miserable. I have a 2009 997.2 C4S and its fabulous and I have none of your issues with it.
Basically, you’re a guy that had (still has) no clue about 911s nor European cars but for some reasons, you bought it…
I enjoyed this video immensely with some cheese; French type, non- pasturized.
The windows are suppose to be like that. BMW and Benz do it as well. I do not know why is it even a thing you dislike about the car? The dipstick is also another feature that newer models have. The new Porsches are like that as well. No you do not follow the manufacturers recommendation. When it says 10k miles you go and change the oil in 5k. Especially when you track the car. All in all, IF you don't like the car, you should definitely sell it. There are people who love these cars. I love mine.
Thanks for the different perspective
Most people only sing them praises so potential owners don't hear about these niggles and downsides
Honestly I try to be unbiased about it. My one year update is more balanced. But yea I agree. 90% of Porsche content available is horribly bias
@@AmateurEnthusiasm As you can tell by other comments there's certainly a large group of the community who have tunnel vision towards Porsche and can't accept any negative aspects or opinions 😄
It's almost like a religion or cult mindset
@ArtVandelayOfficial I actually call it the Porsche cult. You’re spot on
What you forget about the interior design is that it stems from 2005 when the first gen 997 came out.
Probably before that due to design processes. I didn’t forget. Fact remains my 1997 celsior had a nicer interior. Which I went over in great detail on a different video.
And the 997.2 interior was updated. The bones remain from the .1 but it is updated. My complaint is textures not fundamental design
@@AmateurEnthusiasm Indeed! Sorry to hear that but I don’t have that feeling. I have a 2010 s model and if I think about what cars were driven still around that time I am still impressed how well equipped some 911 were. Sorry to hear that because I find the 997 being a super nice model.
@@raphaelnissahlosome5300 I enjoy it a lot :) I’ll make an opposing video soon on why!
honestly, you dont look like a Miata kind of guy. You look more like a Tesla huge flat-screen car guy. this is not your car for sure
I just baught a 09 and noticed many of the quirks you described. Working on driving it and learning from the feedback. It's definitely growing on me. The drives heavier was my first big one but at speeds it feels very planted and the weight feel does help. Hope yours grows on you aswell. Looking forward to a 1000 mile update video. Cheers.
Thanks! Definitely going to be making as much content as I can. Next video will be a detailed explanation of how the PDK drives and my feelings about it and why
Exhaust system? Is that stock?
Nope. Aftermarket! I have the stock one wrapped up in the closet. Not sure what brand though. Unfortunately. Can’t find any markings on it
Fellow Porsche owner from Okinawa. I have a 2011 997.2 PDK after driving at 9:35 speed manual and Tokyo I really love the automatic center counsel mine being dark blue doesn’t show the scratches so much but you can get a Alcantara cover for it, which looks really good. Other than that I’m sure I’ll see you on the highway and give you a honk ora flash of the lights.
I hope your Porsche grows on you it took me six or seven months to really get used to my 1989 939
I’ll keep an eye out for yours and wave if I see you!
Amateur is a accurate description of this review
I'm not sure if you're being serious. I'm surprised you spent all this money on a fantastic sports car yet know so little about it.
Being in the military I would of expected you to of been a little more vigilant about your purchase.
I’ll give you $10 for it 👍🏼
No oil dipstick? What you talking about?
Hopefully it will win you over.
What a turkey 😂😂
if youre gonna call yourself an enthusiast then first drive a manual. this whole vid sounds like its all based on your opinion not the general public so atleast acknowledge that everything that youll say its your opinion instead of str8 spittin on the car. second I highly recommend doing more research on Porsche's history and why everything is there for a reason. i personallyt did not find why porsches were so looked up to until i did my research and fell in love. it was only 10 days ago where i was the gr supra fanboy. i was in lvoe with tht car ever since it came out in 2020 and told myself it was going to be my ultimate dream car to work and drive daily while also be able to race at high levels. like i said 10 days ago my dude, my mind switched just like that. dream car 997 gt3rs letsgetitttttttttttttttttttt
Haha I’m glad you’re open to change! Never good to stay a fan of a particular brand. Check out the follow up video of why I do like the car and see if you still doubt my enthusiasm ;)
The first car to implement the window thing was the original bmw 8 series. Also it seems like you bought the car without thinking about your decision lol😂
Did you google any user experience before you buy this car? Sounds like you didn’t.
Sounds like you needed a 981 cayman s and not the 997.2.
Honestly. I think you’re right.
A new Honda is prob better for you
Why did you buy this car
Hold the spoiler button until it closes.
Thank you haha. I figured that one out later. Phew!
Yet not before you made a video criticizing the things you dislike about it. Maybe work on a vehicle or two. Actually turn a wrench and then let us know how you feel about vehicles.
@@jasonwaringschmidt8699 I think you'll find my other video more to your liking Jason. ruclips.net/video/LgXZxgPAmro/видео.html
So... manual swap?
Naw would make more sense to sell and simply buy a manual
This is surely a p&@stake?!
Why do you bought such a cool car!!, its heavy because its a drivers car!!, and what you need is a car that sounds good, going from A to B, please sell it to somenone that drives it hard and doesnt care!!!!
Why don’t you trade it in for a 2024 Prius. It’s more modern …duh
Maybe try a Mustang.. it might be more of your liking.. ? Just sayin.. you are not "too old" to understand a 997 you seem too young..
Sadly any mustang newer than 2015 costs twice as much as this 997 in Japan
But if you want to know what I appreciate about the car, please check out my “why you should buy one” video. I think you’ll find I get into things a lot of older owners don’t think about or talk about.
I can pretty much tell that you're more of a luxury tourer guy not a sports car guy. This car is not for you. Only a real enthusiast can appreciate the analog controls and layout of this car.
😅 you should look at my past cars lol.
You have purchased a 10 years old German car and complain about there’s no new gadgets? And said the driving is heavy? I don’t think you know what a 911 is, you should sell it. And find a Alteeza or GTR.
Amateur, thanks for such a detailed review. I am going to the Porsche Dealer this weekend and picking up my 997.2. Your optimism encouraged me all the more to purchase the car. I will provide my feedback after and post pictures. Nothing like turning a negative into a positive. Have a nice day.
Jesus dude... why did you buy it
Why don’t you buy a Tesla and stop complaining?!? You hate pdk , it’s slow??? What ?!? Everything you hate is everything that is so great about the car. Don’t buy a cayman , get yourself a Tesla or some basic skyline or whatever
Teslas aren’t real cars
@@AmateurEnthusiasm and you aren’t a real car person either. So it’s a perfect match.
@@tstaines2000 😂
Why watch the video if you knew you were just gonna come here and b!tch.
@@AmateurEnthusiasm ignore the haters man.
Sorry 930 1989 carrera
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WTF ! De....bil !
So many butthurt Porsche purists 😂
So why did you buy it??? You don't sound like you're very familiar with the marque. And you certainly didn't investigate this car well. And you don't even like the color. That white is beautiful and I get compliments on it all the time. Did you think that a car as old as the one you purchased would have newly styled switches? And it's nicely light but feels too heavy?? I think you are just one of those people that likes to complain about anything. If you read the manual you'll find out how to lower the wing. Or just try holding the switch until the light goes out. Again, with so many things you do not like why did you buy it?? Oh, I get it, for something else to complain about! Perhaps you should more wisely spend some money on a competent psychiatrist.
This is just moaning to create content, who buys a Porsche without doing rudimentary research 🤷
He actually did a ton of research and purchased what he hoped would be the best car for him. But since he thinks he found a lemon, he decided to make some lemonade.
This video was supposed to be a first impressions but I realized I spent most of it complaining haha. So I renamed it to be more appropriate. More details on the car to come. Including tracking driving impressions etc. nice Bugatti btw.
Definitely not the car for you! Love you manual 997.2.
My not you😜
😂😂😂
en maar klagen en klagen. Klaag maar over Engelse auto's hahahaha
fool.
Stick with the military buddy. Your review was a waste of time and totally misleading. Perhaps you purchased the wrong car for your needs. Good luck with it. I hope it grows on you.😂
There’s a button to lower the rear spoiler in the interior. Something an owner should see within the first day or so of owning the vehicle. One would expect someone making a complaints video would understand the vehicle slightly more than most of what you said on your video. Good luck with whatever you end up with. I’d learn slightly more about vehicles before you make videos about them possible get your followers up above the 2k mark.
The 997 is a great mix of old and new, it’s not a 992 or a 993. That’s what makes it special. You might be better off in a 991 or 992.
Also, 997.2 PDKs isn’t the PDK in the 991.
I have an aftermarket exhaust and engine mounts on mine and love how raw it is.
Really your complaints are about buying a PDK knowing you wanted a manual, this is only buyer’s remorse. Your complaint about the color white and why is it not red or blue? When you buy a car normally you choose the color, this is on you. This video is full of ridiculous accusations and complaints about hear say issues just to increase your RUclips views. Total Bull Feathers!
You need to sell it. 997’s are clearly not for you 👍
You should buy car made china not Porsche
facepalm. again and again ...
Why did you even buy this car? All you’re doing is complaining, you didn’t even like the paint color… you’re being useless here.
Are you a millennial?
Why on earth did you buy the car ?
Such a stupid click baiting video I had to turn off
Thank you for your comment! I bought the car because I wanted to try it. I suppose that's why most people buy a car.
@@AmateurEnthusiasm seriously?
Sounds like he wasn't afraid to jump into the deep end and try something different and away from the norm. As a massive Porsche enthusiast, it hurt to hear a negative review on a beautiful car. But as a grown adult thats mature enough to appreciate other people's opinion, I finished the video to have an honest discussion with him. Have you tried turning off and growing the F!CK up? Maybe that will help.
Weird. Didn't see how it was clickbait. The name and content match surprisingly well. Pretty good content on that also. I now know to stay away from 2/10 ish Porsche 997 911 Carrera S Autos.
he actually loves the car. but he had to give the video a title so that people would watch bc what else can you say about such a fantastic car? there are already so many 997.2 videos out there... so he gave it the title that he knew would get attention. "who on earth would hate on a 997.2!?" ... click. click click. clickbait.