WHAT IS THE BEST PORSCHE 911? (997 vs 991)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Looking to buy your own Porsche 911? What is the best Porsche 911? We compare two favorites, the 2005-2011 Porsche 997 and the 2012 -2019 Porsche 991.
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The best porsche is the one you own! I own a 991.1 C2S, so it’s the best!😁
Always a correct answer! Thanks for watching, subscribing and sounding in with your answer!
991.1 7mt that I❤❤❤ I call her Grace😊
@gman4gman Mine is Lana. My 2003 Carrera was Sophie. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
I originally went shopping for a 997 Turbo S but after test driving a few cars I came home with a 997 GTS Carrera 2. Although the Turbo S is a faster car, I found the rear wheel drive GTS to be more engaging, and much more fun to drive.
Even Walter Rohrl said the 997 GTS was the best 911 he had ever driven, and being a Porsche test driver and two times World Rally champion he would have certainly driven a few.
I love my 997 GTS Carrera 2 and I honestly don't think I'll ever sell it.
You and I are 100% on the same page. We can have any 911 we want, and we want a GTS. As someone who spends a lot of time on track, I have no interest in a turbocharged anything. The 997 GTS is the perfect 911, in my opinion. And not that it matters, but even more rare than the same year GT3 with only 314 2011 coupes made for the United States in it’s first ever year. Truly something special. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your story!
Love the 997. What an amazing car. Your knowledge of the car is astounding! Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and for your kind comments.
One of the best, if not the best car comparison video I have ever seen. That was highly enjoyable.
I appreciate your observations a lot. I wanted to do this video 3 years before it launched, and actually worked on it over a period of 2 years. I knew it was a question so many Porsche 911 enthusiasts, and future 911 buyers were curious about, and nobody else had done a comparison like it at the time. While any 911 is an awesome car, there are significant differences between the air cooled models, the 996 and 997 models, and the larger 991 and 992 gens. They are in fact very different machines that appeal to different people for very different reasons. This video set out to determine which of these 2 very popular recent generations was better at filling the traditional role of a sports car. I was very happy with the result and it is clear 9 months after launch that an overwhelming number of 911 enthusiasts feel the same way. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your feedback!
I’ve watched A LOT of 911 content. Owned a bunch of different eras. This was an excellent apples to very slightly more modern apples comparison. Excellent work. I currently drive an 3.2, but would 100% reacquire a 997 as it’s my top choice for ‘modern’ 911. 997 turbo or any 997.2 for the win, for me. Again, really well composed review (even if you’ve shown your bias with your ownership) Thanks and cheers amigo
Thanks for watching, subscribing and contributing your comments. I do find it funny when some people claim I am "biased" because I have one. The truth is I can afford any 911 I want. I owned a different 911 when Porsche announced the final version of the street 997. I was at the North American launch party for the car. I chose the 997.2 GTS because it was the most compelling, most perfect 911 Porsche made in my opinion, and I knew that with the impending launch of the new, larger 991 version, Porsche would never again build something as special as the 997.2 GTS. It was the one model where they threw everything they had - Power Kit, Center Lock Wheels, Wide Body RWD, enhanced styling front, rear and side (GT2 RS side skirts) into one, final and ultimate street version. The same thing can be said about the 993, which I also love, but which is not nearly as well suited for daily use, and cannot compare on track, both being how I use my car regularly. Cheers!
Thank you GTS Car Life. One of the best 997 analyses I have seen! I am the owner of one of the very last 997.2 Carrera 4 GTS produced in 2012 so I could easily be accused of being biased. (This is not my only 911). In years to come the 997.2 will take its place in Porsche history as the end of an era representing the embodiment of so much of what 911 sports cars epitomised; namely a true sportscar undiluted by the gradual morphing of design details and look-a-like accessories that made it less distinguishable from common sports coupes. This not to say that the 911 is not a uniquely special car, but it needs to take care that in its design evolution it does not lose the character that set it apart from all others. This will be my forever car.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and contributing your thoughts. It won’t be a surprise, but I agree with you and I dare say, so do the overwhelming majority of automotive enthusiasts and professionals. Congratulations on your very special 997, and maybe we’ll meet one day at some 997 reunion.
Agree, Have a manual 997 C4 daily driver with 108k miles. Drive it year-round in MN and track it at Brainerd International Raceway in the summer. Love to heel-toe the manual and the smaller size of the car. For me this car is everything I need.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and commenting! Happy to hear you’re using your 911 the way it was intended! Just broken in.
997 Carrera 4S, manual transmission in Speed Yellow! Great video.
Who doesn’t love Speed Yellow! Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
I am blown away the accuracy of the review ! 100 percent! I have 997 and pondered moving to a 991. I was shocked that I didn’t enjoy driving the car and felt like the car lost soul. It felt my Audi S4 - luxurious and fast… but no connection to road. 997 is the more “real” sports car
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts. I created this channel to provide real life reviews of exciting cars. Our motto is “Dream Cars Should Be Driven “ Our goal is to share what it’s really like to drive and live with some of the most exciting cars in the world. Enjoy your 997, and thank you for your assessment! Thomas
You’re delusional. Unless you work as a Porsche high performance driving instructor, I’m going to bet I’ve driven way more Porsches way harder on track than you. Also, there is far more to a sports car than track days. Most people never even take their cars on track. But hey, you do you.
@VK6AB- Wrong, mental midget. I have multiple Championship and racing trophies and also instruct for many manufacturers and organizations at Circuit of The Americas. You know, the Formula 1 track. So go troll someone who cares. Or if you’re such an expert, go build your own RUclips channel and spew whatever nonsense you choose. Cheers.
@GTSCarLife I guess you told him. Both 911's are fantastic cars, but it all comes down to preference. I own a 997.2 Turbo S Convertible. The only complaint that I have is, I wish the engine exhaust sounded more like the GTS. I mean a sports car should really sound like a sports car regardless of the model or generation.
@@GTSCarLife mental midget 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
991.1 all the way - power to weight ratio, much nicer front to back design, and the 991 sunroof is actually great looking in my pov. At the end all 911s are great for their specific era.
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Absolutely, any 911 is a truly great sports car and something worthy of keeping forever. The fact that we can debate which one, out of 60 years pf production is “the best”, is pretty amazing. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
I agree, I had to choose between the 997 and 991 and bought the 991. the 991 just does everything better, the interior has better quality components and materials that hold up better. I had a cayman with the 997 interior and most of the rubber touch surfaces started to get sticky over the years and it was garage kept. Not bashing the 997 at all very nice car and I would have been happy to own one but given the choice...as he said Porsche always makes sure the next variant is better. In another 10 years you probably could make the same argument about the 991 vs the 993, 994 and so on. The black color in the video does not do the lines of the 991 justice....
@daviddee7103 Thanks for watching, subscribing and offering your thoughts. There is no such thing as a bad 911! What color did you get?
@@GTSCarLife I have the platinum/silver with beige interior, after watching your video I think I will take for a nice drive today...Thanks!!
@daviddee7103 Beautiful combination. Enjoy your drive!
When I ordered my new 2012 997.2 GTS Cabriolet with manual transmission in 2011, I already knew how the 991 would differ and chose my GTS for many of the reasons outlined in this video. 12 years later (and 12K miles), I love it even more-especially since these particular cars with manual transmissions are so rare and continue to go up in value. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching and for sharing your story! You made a wise choice, and your 997 is worth more than the newer 991 model. The market agrees with you, and so do I.
12K miles in 12 years and you love it. Is it your favorite among your collection?
I always get a chuckle out of comments about the fact that a car may be worth more. It's the ultimate sign of a squid.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and commenting. Yes, I grew up in a military family, so money was not something we had. But through hard work, I’ve been fortunate to be able to own and drive some of the most desirable and sought after performance cars. I chose my 997.2 GTS as my dream car, and like it says on my channel, I believe dream cars should be driven. I wrote a PCA Cover Story to that effect many years ago. Yes, my GTS is my favorite car. I daily it and track it on average once a month. I intend on keeping it for ever. There is no other car that does everything I want and which I would prefer for my use. And while values on 911s and many other cars are rising, because I don’t intend on selling, it doesn’t benefit me in any way. I agree it turns me off when a potential buyer is more concerned with future values than the actual driving experience. Cheers!
What a waste of a car. Cars are to be used.
What car is being wasted? Thanks for watching.
Thanks again for this video. It’s cemented my decision on my new 997.2 C2S PDK. I got arctic silver because the spec and price was good. Didn’t want silver at first but now it’s grown on me and it looks slick. Especially in the sun.
Arctic Silver is beautiful. Congratulations!
How much? Prices been going back up =(
@chanjasonsk They’ll be going up forever. Simple supply and demand for one of the best sports cars ever made. Thanks for watching, subscribing and commenting!
I currently own a 996.2 a 997.1. I been wanting to get a 991.1
From all of the reviews I been watching, the 991 seems faster and has more bells and whistles from its predecessor. Obviously it will be bigger and looks more luxurious. I’m not crazy about the body but I have a feeling overtime I will appreciate it.
All true. Each new generation of Porsche can be counted on to be faster, stick better and brake shorter. And cost more! So had this been a comparison on performance, the results would have been flipped. But the question was, which 911 is the best sports car, the best 911. The newer generations, starting with the 991 have transformed more into luxury sports coupes and lost the traditional sports car characteristics. This week, the head of Porsche design himself admitted the 911 has gotten too big and he wants to figure out how to make them smaller again. And the market clearly places a premium on the 997 over the 991 and 992. And have you seen what’s happening with 996 prices!!! Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts.
First and foremost I really enjoyed the video very professionally done. I've owned several Porsche 911's over the years and I have to say my 997.2 GTS is my all time favorite. You have done a great job pointing out why. The GTS with all its goodies makes this version special. The 991.1 is a fantastic car if that's what you like, but the smaller cozier 997.2 is more comfortable to and for me.
Thank you for your comments. What color is your GTS? Coupe, Cabrio or 4? I appreciate your feedback, and thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts.
New subscriber. 997 hands down! Great video, thanks for all the great details.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Great review. As the owner of a 2012 997 GTS manual with 42k on the clock I couldn’t agree more. They are just brilliant sports cars which get better with age. As time passes, you enjoy them even more. Very difficult to improve on that level of perfection. However, I also have a 981 Spyder which provides an equally remarkable top down modern Porsche experience. Both are long term keepers. Thanks for all your hard work keeping us informed and entertained.
I agree with you on all accounts. You sir have two of the greatest! Definitely hold on to them. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your story. And thank you for your kind words and support. Thomas
I also have a black 997.2 2012 GTS manual with just over 40k miles! I think only 250 GTS were sent to North America in the 2012 model year
@diegocajn Congratulations on owning and driving such an incredible machine. You are among a very, very small number of people who are able to enjoy what I (and many others if we’re being honest here ) believe to be the best 911 Porsche ever built. And thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Really enjoy your very knowledgeable take. I knew nothing and literally stumbled into my 997.1 Turbo. Could not be happier. Thank you for your excellent take on Porsche cars. They truly are something special.😮😮
Thank you for your support and kind words and congratulations on owning and being able to experience one of the truly great cars of all time. She’s a keeper! We’ll have lots more content on the way.
I sold a 914-6 I had for 32 years with the original 2 liter rebuilt to 210 hp and a 1963B 120 hp original motor for a 2011 997.2 Carrera S Cab, 26,000 mi, and I couldn't be happier. It does everything well, is fast and comfortable. I love the PDK. The review is spot on about these models and I would have added a bit more info on the engine, especially its 40% less parts, direct injection and return to reliability. the 997.2 is the sweet spot of modern 911's.
Thanks for your comments and for watching and subscribing. 32 years is impressive! You are indeed correct with your points about some of the improvements. I believe I did mention the fact that the new engine block design eliminated many parts and incorporated things like previously bolted on brackets into the casting. But to answer you specifically, I have to cut a lot of things out of the videos because people won’t bother to watch a 2 hour long video and because if I cover everything, I run the risk of boring the few people that do click. You should see what gets left on the cutting room floor! Again thanks for your contribution and congratulations on owning what is likely the best 911 Porsche ever made.
I went back n forth with both, years sgo before going for the 991.1 carerra 4s. Zero regrets. It’s the more beautiful of the two, by far (every angle). It comes down to personal preference, of course, but the one thing I agree with you about is no cell phone storage. I just jam it between the visor and roof! Haha, it’s lame, yes, but thats the only thing.
Custom made phone holder! Like I said in the beginning, there is no such thing as a bad 911. I really loved driving my 2003 996 manual for almost 100,000 miles. The newer ones certainly outperform their predecessors, but at the price of gaining size. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your opinion!
Our 911 997 4S is the best Porsche I ever acquire so far, also it is the first time this model is elevated over a newer 991 which after watching your video could not agree more. Good job on this video and thank you for it!! 👍
Congratulations on your 997 4S and thank you for your kind words. I appreciate your support!
@@GTSCarLife Great video! Having owned various vintages of 911s for 4 decades I found my current 997.1, now with 130k miles) is by far my favorite of all time. That includes my '73.5 Targa as the 997 meshes the best elements of old and new while providing a modern analog experience that served as a daily driver for many years before becoming a garage princess. I debated a 991, it is a great car, but chose to refresh the 997 and buy a Macan GTS for daily driving which is proving to be a great compliment to the 997
@picardmadeoff1068 130,000 miles is awesome! I have just over 67,000 now and hope to reach 300,000, several thousand of them on track at Circuit of The Americas. Ironically I also had a Macan for about 3 years when it first came out. It was a wonderful car, as you said. But since I daily my 997.2 GTS, I ended up not using it much. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
997 for the win! Love the young Elvis vs. old Elvis comparison!
Makes the point, right? Thank you for watching!
A more fair comparison is to compare the 997 GTS to the 991.1 GTS.
Also, the last naturally aspirated 991.1 GTS is considered the “peak”911 by many-before the turbos came to the Carrera with the 991.2. The 991.1 GTS is not only more capable and powerful but many think it’s more beautiful as well than it’s predecessor.
To each their own…
This was not a GTS comparison, it was the 997 vs 991. Both of these 2 were available for sale on the showroom floor at the same time, have essentially the same engine and the performance, which was not compared in this video, is very similar. What is different is the chassis, size, style and overall feel of the cars in their intended role of being sports cars. And that was the point of this comparison! Thanks again for watching!
I do like many things of 997. Overall I do like the look of the 991 more. That's why I have them both. Some days the 992 is beginning to grow on me. Overall my absolute favorite is the 993. Thanks for the content.
Yes, the 992 is growing on me too in many ways. Porsche has done a good job building on the almost unlimited opportunities to customize and upgrade the 911 which really took off with the 991. A 993 is my second choice for a daily and track 911. It’s stunningly beautiful, but less comfortable, safe and track capable than the 997. Which model 991 do you have? Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Excellent video, you've helped me decide on buying a 997.2 some day..keep up the good work! peace from the UK :-)
Awesome, thank you! Buy the best example you can find, have a Porsche specialist do a thorough pre-purchase inspection and you’ll have what many truly believe to be the best modern sports car made! Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts! Cheers!
Nice job describing both models! You have sold me on buying either a 997 or 991, both beautiful cars.! Still driving the Cayenne, but may be time for an upgrade. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for watching!
Own both a 997.2 and 991.1. Used to have a 991.2 which I had for less than a year. 997 does have the most Porsche feel and look but probably will be first to go. 991 is still small and nimble, better for bringing along the kids, has better tech, and looks a little more special (I have the factory sport design package with ducktail). Also sounds epic with Porsche sport exhaust. Pse on the 991.2 sounds terrible. 991 feels more planted than the 997. Steering on mine is pretty damn close to my 997. Steering on the 991.2 was too light and artificial. The 997 has better leather but more creaks inside. 991 at stock height (pasm) sits lower than my lowered 997. So surprisingly feels more sporty inside. 997 feels faster for some reason (maybe the size). Can’t go wrong with either but for a daily driver 991 wins. For nostalgia 997 wins. But to truly get an analog experience you will have to go air cooled as both 997 and 991 feel too modern.
Thanks for watching, subscribing and contributing your experiences. The ducktail option definitely looks fantastic on the 991. I wish Porsche offered it for the 997
Me too, had a 997.2 C4S, great car and I stupidly traded that for a Mustang 350, after a while I got a 991.2 C4S…manual as well with RAS and PDCC and Spasm. But after one year I just hated that engine and I could never get the driving feel due to the RAS and PDCC. So I got a CTS4V BW with manual, had it for a year and saw a 991.1 C4S with manual and sports chrono, so I snagged it. Only has 20k miles on it. I love it, it has all of the character the 991.2 just didn’t have.
@@robertsole9970 Great to hear. Funny to revisit what I wrote only 2 months ago. I did end up selling the 997 for a little over what I bought it 2.5 years ago. No regrets in selling. I bought a g80 m3 competition in an individual color to compliment my 991 which I kept. However I don’t see the m3 being a long term keeper either. Will have my fun with it and look for the next one. Just not sure what that is yet.
@@Hodlproject yes, the 991.1 will hold values and increase in the following years. Finding a manual 991.1 C4S was lucky. They are rare.
Living right. 🏁 Thanks for the update and obviously I don’t need to tell you to have fun!
After owning 11 Porsches including a 930 back in the day and currently a 991.1 3.8 cab I can tell you that the best Porsche I have ever owned is my current 2022 Macon GTS. It is the Swiss Army knife of Porsches. Does everything well.
I ordered a 2015 Macan S loaded with a $75,000 sticker back in March 2014. It was indeed incredible and even embarrassed some respected high end sports cars on track. But I missed the sounds of an engine behind me and I never got past the feeling that the cars abilities were all from electronics wizardry. But yes, very impressive what Porsche can do! Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience. Sounds like you are living right!
Thanks for a very detailed explanation. I love my 997 Targa 4S 6sp. for those exact reasons. If I want long-drive comfort, I'll take my Cayenne. I have several other sports cars and always seem to enjoy this one a little bit more. It looks like you might be in DFW. Maybe we will see each other at a PCA MAV event?
We are on the same page. We had a 2016 Cayenne S from mid 2015 until we replaced it with a 2023 Taycan 4S Cross Turismo in January 2023. Those cars are outstanding cross country companions. My 997.2 however is the car I intend to own forever. Yes, I’m in DFW and can also frequently be found at COTA. Weather permitting I’m planning on stopping by Mavs at Mayo this Saturday. If you see me at an event please say hi. Thanks for your support!
Ive only ownwd a 991.2 gts. Its the best car ive ever owned. Im happy with it.
The .2 was so much improved over the .1 as Porsche likes to do. Much better steering and a better styled back end. And it’s still a 911, so it’s a great car. Enjoy, and thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your story!
Great meeting you at the track today!
Same here! Have fun, stay fast and be safe! 🏁 Hope to see you at COTA.
Best 911 is of course my own. A 996 3.6 C2 manual, no psm or sunroof. Bone stock except for the Ohlins r/t coilover. It is amazing!🎉
I love the 996 and my 2003 996.2 manual coupe was still the most fun to drive daily! Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Good video. I have owned several Porsche's. I owned 993 C4S, 996, 997 C4S and currently for the last 8 years a 991. In my opinion, the best Porsche that I've owned is my 991. As far as performance, ergonomics and overall fit to finish, the 991 is the best Porsche. In the end, the only thing that matters is that one must have option...Sports Exhaust.
Any 911 is a great car! What model, year and color is your 991? Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience!
True...I loved my 1980 Targa SC, but not the 915 gearbox. My 991 is a C2 Coupe, with every available option, except for full leather and PASM. I was very lucky to find it. It even has factory wheel spacers, red seat belts, clear tail lamps, sport adaptive seats, platinum Carrera S wheels...just to mention a few.
I actually love the large glass roof (wish it opened up more). Its a cool look inside the cabin.
It is black over black w/PDK. The 911 is the best car I have ever owned. Although my 92 NSX was pretty cool (the second best sports car for me).
FYI...I can put my cell phone in the center console next to the USB input :). Once again, entertaining video.
Be well and all the best. Dale @GTSCarLife
The 991 and now the 992 could definitely be optioned out very well. It sounds like yours is! They are all amazing on track - try it if you haven’t already. And yes, the original NSX was a fantastic car too, aside from the heavy steering at low speeds. Enjoyed this conversation, thanks. Have a great weekend and take care!
@@GTSCarLife Thank you. I enjoyed the conversation as well. I was very fortunate to drive the 991 on the track a few times in a Porsche event. The “Hot” lap with the Porsche instructor was a dream come true.
@dedwardmalick If you find yourself traveling to the Austin area, reach out and I’ll be happy to take you for hot laps at Circuit of The Americas in a 997.2 GTS.
Thanks for the video. So from a person that's owned 2 Cayman (have my 2014 up for sale now), I've been shopping for my 1st 911. I've done a lot of research and heard everyone's opinion. I had it down to a beautiful 2012 991 (black like the one in the video) here in TX and a sweet 2009 Carrera S (997.2) in Portland. I had PPI's on both cars, both turned out good...as of an hour ago I gave a deposit on the 997! To me I've always thought the classic look of the 911 was the absolute best, the rear end is the sexiest of all cars. I loved the 991, it drove great, but to me, a non Porsche expert, 5'-7" tall, well it just fit me better! Can't wait for it to get here in a couple of weeks. BTW, fell in love with a 2007,
but was scared of the engine!
Congratulations on your new 997.2 C2 S. I believe you made the right decision- the 997.2 was the final, best evolution of what I, and many professionals and enthusiasts alike- believe to be the greatest generation of 911 ever. The 991 was more of a luxury coupe, and no longer a traditional sports car. Values support that a majority of 911 buyers feel the same. As for your 2 Caymans, they too are fantastic sports cars, livelier and in some ways even more fun to drive. I assume your other Cayman was a 987? I just purchased a 2011 987.2 Cayman S and will be releasing a video on that one very soon.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience. Let us know your thoughts on your new 911 after you’ve received it!
@@GTSCarLife Thank you, my 1st Cayman was a fun 2008 base Gen1. Was scared of the engine so traded up to a 2014 gen2. I actually enjoyed the 08 without bell & whistles more than the 2014 (fully loaded), and yes with electric emergency brake... Looking forward to seeing the video on your Cayman.
Agree with the assessment.
I went from 997 to 991 and then back to 991 after a year 😂
The 991 is a great car but it does not give me enough 911 vibe.
Too big, too refined, too far removed from pureness.
Let’s not forget the 991 is the first generation under full VW ownership. It shows.
Exactly. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts.
I have a 09 997.2 PDK. It's no GTS but so happy with what I have... Once I feel that button on the gas pedal, the sound alone puts a big smile on my face.
Believe me, my previous 911 was a 2003 996.2 Carrera with a 6-speed manual. I put about 98,000 miles on her and had so much fun. If I had never driven a GTS on track, I would have been happy as can be forever. Your 2009 997.2 Carrera with PDK is awesome. Don’t underestimate what an amazing car you have! Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Have both a 997.2 Carrera 4 GTS and a 991.2 Turbo. I agree with your assessment that the 997.2 is what a 911 should be, having owned my first in 1970. I would also say that the 991.2 has had some changes that make it more enjoyable than the ‘dot 1’, but the GTS is the best ‘911’ I’ve owned. With 8K miles, it is a definite all time winner and keeper.
Thank you for watching and I appreciate your insight. I also agree that the mid cycle refresh, or 991.2 was improved in many ways. Also, the Turbo and GT versions pull off the size better than the Carreras. What color was your 1970? Hold on to that 4 GTS! Thomas
Green, and $7100. 🤪
914 was $3600, and 914-6 was $6300. The -6 was not selling at that price, and the dealers were letting them go for $4800.
That situation has happened with so many great cars that became extremely desirable and expensive later. Great story, thanks for sharing!
Completely agree I love my 997.2 it’s a sweet spot where Porsche got all of it right
100%. What year and spec do you have? Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
I throughly enjoyed that comparison and review. Not just the regular points every other video talks about the exhaust and hydraulic steering.
However personal taste I think the 991 is gorgeous,
Would love to see 99.1 vs 991.2 gts video!!
Thank you for watching, subscribing and for your thoughtful comments. I appreciate your viewpoint and as I led with, any 911 is awesome, and I love all of them on their own merit. I owned and really loved a 2003 996 and in many ways, it is the most authentic 911 of all the water cooled models. Like so many cars today, the 911 has really grown in size and overall feels more like a grand touring car than a traditional sports car. I’ll see about getting a 992 GTS. I did recently spend a couple days with the 992 Turbo S, and came away incredibly impressed. So, your handle Scope951. Is that a 944 reference? Cheers!
I have my Pennie’s saved up and finally can afford one of these 997.2’s. But wow. Nice examples are really difficult to find. Most have been crashed and or have a tan interior or are PDK.
First of all, congratulations on being disciplined and working towards your goal. Few feelings in the world better than setting goals and working hard to achieve them. As for the scarcity of 997.2, yes. Porsche made very few in the first place because the timing coincided with the great global recession. So few made to start and the ones that are for sale often times have been modded or wrecked or both. All very bad for desirability and value. But the sellers know how strong the demand is for them, so they will still ask top dollar. As for interior color, black is so boring but the most desirable choice simply because it wears well and hides blemishes. And yes, PDK was the shiny new toy so more than half of buyers chose it. I have always owned manuals and would never buy an “automatic“ sports car. But when my wife finally allowed me to replace my 2003 996.2 manual with a 997.2 GTS, which I wanted from the moment it was first introduced, I too struggled with finding my perfect example. So I settled for PDK and got most of the other features that mattered to me. I just bought my son a 2011 987.2 S with the 6-speed manual, and driving it has served to remind me how much more fun and involving a manual truly is. But I do spend a lot of time on track and PDK is definitely better on track, so I just enjoy my car and focus on how much I love it. You will find your car. Use AutoTempest, PCA classifieds and use the Porsche pre-owned website DAILY. Best of luck in your search and please let me know when you achieve your goal! I promise you the reality is as good as the dream. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your dream.
Porsche still does a better job than any other brand when it comes to evolution. I like the 997 but think the 991 is a worthy successor. At the end of the day, it is a faster car on the racetrack and that counts for something. I own a 991 and will never sell it.
I’ll take any 911 over the “competitors “. Thanks for watching, subscribing and chiming in with your thoughts!
I would have to say it is the 997 Turbo! Vroom vroom 🏎️
Well, that’s a 997, so I like the way you think! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
I own a 991.1 GT3. Could have bought any 911 i wanted but to me the 991.1 is the most beautiful modern 911 and the GT3 with it's limited production of under 2000 cars will always stay special.
Any 911 is special and the GT3 is a blast on track. This comparison was focused on Carreras and everyday use 911’s, not the track models. You may enjoy our video on the 992 GT3 vs Lamborghini Huracan STO. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts.
I love my 996 C4 manual. Couldn’t get into a 997 but this makes me really want to step up to a 997 next.
Agreed that it might be the peak of the 911 from a raw sports car before getting to GT car like. Then again can only comment on my own experiences. Nice assessment and video!
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts. My previous 911 was a 2003 996.2 C2 manual. I loved that car and drove over 95,000 miles. For daily driving the 996 was even more fun because the M96 motor just sounds so good and the chassis feels lighter. Aside from some style and materials upgrades, your 996 is really all we need and definitely a keeper. I will say on track, my GTS is worlds better. And as an instructor , I track often. But if you don’t, the 996 is perfect!
Great review.I agree the best 911 is the one you own. IMO the 997.2 is the best combination of the old and new. The naturally aspirated engine, hydraulic steering, smaller, lighter is what makes it a great sports car. Plus it has some aspects of new electronics (touch screen etc.). I have owned both. The driving feel of the 997.2 is totally different than the 991. One is a sports car the other is more like a grand touring car. I traded a 991 4S PDK for a Boxster 25 years (manual) to get more of a sports car feel. I recently bought a 2010 997.2 cab. What a beautiful car!
We agree. I also just purchased a 2011 987.2 Cayman S manual- what a fantastic sports car! Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience.
I could not agree more with the assessments. I do own a 997.2GTS and was actually thinking about selling. But I may just change my mind. It is the last real 911 in correct size.
Thank you for watching and for your feedback. I would strongly encourage you to keep your GTS. You will never be able to replace that car - Porsche only made 314 GTS coupes for the United States in 2011, values will only continue to go up for all 911 models, and especially the GTS. It is the only rear drive, naturally aspirated 997 Porsche made in a wide body besides the GT3 RS model. And with Center Lock Wheels from the GT3 and Turbo S, side skirts from the GT2 RS and various other changes, the 997 GTS is truly a special 911.
I owned a 991.2 TurboS but I would take 997 GTS manual as a second fun car as I think it got the right size, weight and power balance combined with manual to engage and feel the steel.
Those two would cover all the bases for sure. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts.
Trying to find the perfect Porsche and it’s so difficult with so many really good opinions for each type. As relatively new to Porsche, I have a MT 718 spyder and I’m contemplating switching to a 991.1 MT. Now that I have watched your video, wowzer…now I’m off to another orbit…my only concern is the age of the cars and parts failures of these beauties. Very well done review..
Thank you for watching, subscribing and contributing to the conversation! The 718 Spyder with a manual transmission is an awesome Porsche! What is it you want to accomplish with a 911? If you plan on switching cars often, which is frankly what the overwhelming percentage of Porsche buyers do, then my advice would be to keep sampling the best of the current and future offerings. The car you have is definitely among the very top, certainly if daily use is a factor! I feel the 992 is a big step ahead from the 991, whereas if you watched the video, you know how I feel about the 991. If on the other hand, you want a 911 to buy and keep "forever", I could argue the 997 and specifically a 997.2, RWD coupe would be that car. The 997 is already considered a Modern Classic by most in the automotive community, and offers so many qualities that the newer cars just can't. The 911 in general, and the 997 specifically, is a very reliable car and very robust. At any track day, it is common to see a 911 account for more than half of the cars there. They are very well built. I am personally aware of 997s well into the mid 200,000 miles with nothing serious beyond typical maintenance. Like anything mechanical, you will have parts wear out and yes, you will have to replace wear items but if it's a car you intend on keeping, then you just have to view it as part of the ownership experience. If that is not your goal, then you will have a blast putting your money into any of the new models. Either way, you'll have a blast! Let us know what you do next! Thomas
@@GTSCarLife great advice. Thanks. For now the Spyder. But as I build my garage tools, I’ll switch to an older more mechanical car for the total experience and the updated 997.2 would be fantastic!
Excellent comparison vid. I share your perspective on the 991 misses in comparison to the 997.2 gen cars. My 09 C2S launch spec car really captures my expectations of what a true luxury touring sports car should be. I really feel that the 991 is more of a sports car for the masses while the 997.2 the last gen for enthusiasts.
Well said. Thank you for watching, subscribing and adding your thoughts!
I always envied the 991 owners that I know, but this review 100% backs my view (albeit a biased one) about the 997. Going forward, I will love and enjoy even more, my 997 4s.
Now and then some viewer (who obviously owns a 991) will accuse me of being “biased” because I own a 997.2. They don’t bother to consider that it’s actually the reverse. I can own any 911 I want. And I’ve driven most of them. I choose to own and keep a 997.2 GTS because in my experience, it is the best 911 for my needs, which is a sports car that feels and drives like a sports car, serves as my daily driver and is also competitive on track. The 991 is not as good when those criteria are considered. And the market clearly agrees. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your comments and congratulations on your awesome 911!
but honestly 991 sounds better, though 997 might be rawer
I have to disagree with you there. The 991 literally has engine noises pumped in to the cabin, like a current Toyota Supra, BMW or a Ford Focus RS. That is fake. Frankly, the best sounding water cooled 911 is the 996. If you listen to the 2003 996.2 I reviewed, which is 100% stock 9as are both 911's in this test) you will hear that the M96 motor sounded amazing. The 996 was also lighter and more raw than the nicer, more refined 997. Thank you for watching, and I appreciate your thoughts on this!
Under acceleration with the valve button open I like the refined rumble of my 997 GTS ripping back roads.
It’s the best of the water cooled IMHO.
I also have a 68 SWB hot rod if I want real raw.
@jeremy7818 I agree, the factory sport exhaust is perfect. If people really paid attention, most of them wouldn’t spend money to cut them off and install something aftermarket. Anyone who hears a 997 GTS at full acceleration will understand. Thank you for watching, subscribing and adding to the conversation.
This review is very good and thorough, but the bias is very strong. I understand the 997 is more "peak" Porsche due to what they were proving but the 991 is a newer aged incredible machine. This same conversation is had in the corvette community, between generations. Its funny to see in the Porsche community too.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts. Your comment put a smile on my face when you mentioned the Corvette community is having similar conversations. I think the typical buyer for these models is buying their youth and childhood memories and the older generation just do a more effective job of delivering on that. Cheers.
Good points, I took a long time to decide but went with the 991.1 GTS Targa, I love it and it's fun to drive. I wish the steering wheel had paddle shifters and wish the stick was reversered for up and down gears. Both are great cars, love owning the last of the N/A 911.
The targa feature is fantastic on the 991 and 992. I believe you can swap the paddle wheel for what you have. The biggest expense is typically the airbag, which you may be able to reuse. I let the computer shift for me, even on track. Allows me to focus completely on application of gas, brakes and steering input. The computer does such a great job. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Love it, the 1st of hopefully many more articles of the 997.2 GTS which was ignored by Porsche because of the Hype for the 991. I have a 2012 4GTS, manual one of (95) imported of the +(272) total 4GTS's imported to the US, (there were (30) that went to Canada and (4) that went to South America , and its a jewel, this from an owner of (5) 911's Porsches since the late 1960's . Either the Manual (which I prefer) or the PDK, (I get it) if they have the Chrono package, should be driven often in the "Sport" mode which I do whenever I go on back country roads, so satisfying.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and contributing to the conversation! I will assume you also hang out on the Rennlist 997 forum like I occasionally do. I knew the GTS was very rare (I had read 2,265 coupes made for the world) but @Prairiedawg opened our eyes by tracking down and decoding the VINs to calculate numbers like you mentioned and the fact that my 2011 GTS Coupe is #269 of 314 made for the United States. Like you, I’ve owned many incredible sports cars going back to my first, a new 1984 GTI which was replaced with a 1987 Mustang GT 5.0. I have bought 6 Porsches, and the 997.2 GTS is the one I will never sell. I will say the 996 was even more true to the original concept, and a great driving 911, but I appreciate the higher quality interior and more muscular exterior styling of the GTS. Again like you, I wanted a manual, but as rare as these cars are, when I found one that checked most of my mandatory boxes, I sucked it up on the transmission. Now that I am no longer a teenager and with as much track driving as I do, I have come to really respect and enjoy the PDK. When I need a manual fix, I drive my 1985.5 944 or my sons Focus RS. All fun cars. If you find yourself heading to the Austin area and in the mood for a hot laps ride along on COTA, please reach out to me. Again, thank you for your support!
I had 2012 997.2 turbo manual- sold it- roads are to crowded for a manual including highway construction etc. I now own a 2012 997.2 turbo S PDK- love it. It is the last 911 w/ Dr. Porsche's DNA built into the car- a true appreciating upcoming classic
Turbos are 100% better mated with a PDK unit. Manual transmissions lose too many RPM (boost) in between shifts, and also cannot accelerate nearly as quickly. I understand why some people feel an old school manual is more enjoyable to them. But by any measurable method, PDK is superior. Funny how some people pay so much extra for the highest performance sports car on the market, then saddle it with a transmission that makes it slower. Thanks for watching, subscribing and commenting. And congratulations on owning one of the absolute most incredible cars ever made!
Also, manual cars are more prone to over revving
@user-iz7pu6ww2b The fact that the computer prevents the opportunity to over rev, certainly makes it easier for buyers of pre-owned cars!
Glad I found your video. The question discussed is more than academic for me right now. Well done. Thx
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! And thank you for watching and subscribing. Please let us know what you find out there!
Great review - very insightful. I am tossing up between the two but now for interested in the 997.2.
Any thoughts on a GTS vs Turbo?
I’d aim to use the car 4 days a week for commute. Just want to enjoy life more :D
Thank you for your support. The 997 GTS and Turbo are very different models. Both are highly desirable and hold their values well. They appeal to different buyers for different reasons. The GTS is marketed by Porsche as the ultimate drivers model (not including the GT models which are intended primarily for track use, and not well suited for street or daily use) while the Turbo and Turbo S were among the fastest cars on the planet in their time and are considered more super fast GT / touring cars. Typically their owners will have a strong preference for one over the other. In my case, because of my racing background I prefer the driver focused, naturally aspirated GTS. If I didn’t daily mine, which I do, I would have purchased a 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0. But as much as I love that ultimate GT car, it doesn’t work for the way I use my car, which is both as my everything daily and also my track car. I’ll be on track at COTA again next weekend. The Turbo on the other hand is an excellent weekend cruiser and probably even better suited for long, cross country drives. It does have noticeable turbo lag, which is something I can’t live with. I also don’t like the busy body styling with the large side intakes and cutaways in the rear bumper. But that’s obviously personal preference. Porsche itself doesn’t race the Turbo, utilizes races the naturally aspirated GT3 which is essentially a stiffer riding, more track built version of what the GTS is. If you have the opportunity, I’d strongly recommend you drive a Turbo. If the amazing acceleration of that car appeals to you, then you may have your answer. Either way, you’ll have an example of what is truly one of the finest cars ever made. Thank you for watching and subscribing!
Thanks for the comprehensive input. Thoughts on a 997.1 vs 997.2 turbo? We don’t have much second hand GTS’s here in Australia. I think I only found one 997.2 GTS secondhand so far
@niccolosun3416 Sure, the GTS was a very limited production model, only 314 coupes for 2011 here in America. The unique design, features and low production volume all combine to make the GTS something very special and also is the main driving factor behind the outstanding resale value. If you’re on the fence and have more options with a 997 Turbo, I’m sure you will be happy with one. The main difference is refined exterior design and an enhanced dashboard design with touchscreen on the 997.2. Also, if you don’t go with the manual, the 997.2 has the faster F1 style PDK instead of the MB designed Tiptronic.
Good video for a start... I personally haven't driven the 991, but i own a 997.1 c2s and i absolutely love its looks, how it drives (so poised, so precise on the steering wheel, so planted on the road) and how it makes me feel. Owning a Porsche 911 was a dream for many years and i was very happy to buy one last year, in stunning condition and with a crazy amount of work done to it (bought it from my best mate). So, i haven't driven a 991, but one thing that strikes me with them, they are massive 👀😳... And on tiny roads such as the ones where i live in the South East of England, i wouldn't be happy with such a big car at all. Even the 997 is no small car, so often prefers taking the nippy z4 3.0, but one thing i know, the 997 is a keeper, and if i ever have bore scoring issues etc... i will bore the engine to 4l and supercharge it... That way, i won't have to buy anything else ever😂 as it will be 997 turbo territory fast😳
Damnit I just realised I had already written a message on this video 4 days ago😂😂😳. Sorry🥴
Thank you for sharing about your dream car with us. A 911 is a dream car for so many. The luckiest among us will actually be able to own one, and the most lucky will drive it regularly! What color do you have? Thanks for watching and subscribing. Enjoy in good health and Cheers!
@@GTSCarLife I am lucky to own several cars, but the 997 is black with 19'' gold aurum Lobster wheels, alcantara steering wheel, gear gaitor, handbrake handle, chrono pack, all integrated touchscreen media player, danks exhaust etc... I had the car body paint corrected this year (stage, 1, 2 and 3 with a ceramic coating on it). It looks superb now😎👌
Like I mind hearing nice feedback twice? 😂
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I have owned them all and the 991.2 is by far the best modern 911 made to date. It’s build quality, design and materials used is far superior to anything in its past, and trumps the 992. The 997 build quality is better than the 996 but not that much better as both are very cheap feeling. It was very obvious Porsche made the 991 a huge leap forward and back to their original high-quality build and performance standards.
The 991 power and torque is significantly stronger than the 997 any range in the rpm you are in. The 991 even on base form feels significantly fast enough for street and weekend track use yet still has useful modern features that actually work.
There is no such thing as a poor 911, they are still the best sports cars on the market. What model and trim was your 991.2? Thank you for watching and sharing your experience!
I agree . A year ago I drove a 2013 911s and ended up buying a 2011 911s purely on the driving experience . The 997 feels the road and so do I !
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts. Enjoy your awesome 911.
Thank you for your of clear explanation of the differences in the 997 and the 991. Without taking time to study the technical differences in the two cars, when the 991 was released, I did not care for it visually because it lost the small sports car appeal. I still do not care for the 991 and which that I had not sold my much maligned 996. I am planning to get back in the Porsche world with a 997.2.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience. I also had a 996, which I did a video on a while back. Funny how that car is now so desirable. I still maintain the 996 is the most pure, and true to the original of all watercooled 911s. The 997 has a much nicer interior, and the curvier body is appealing, but the 996 is lighter weight , sounds better and did a good job sticking to the original concept. Let us know when you get your new 911!
Have owned and driven numerous Porsches over the years and 997.2 C4S is best of them all, especially with the non-electric steering.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing in the conversation!
Same car here and the only Porsche I'd let it go for would be a Boxster Spyder.
@louismontgomery8906 Yes, the new Spyder RS is incredible. Thank you for watching, subscribing and commenting!
Having owned and driven a '07 997C4S for 10 years, 6 speed, and loving every minute, I traded for a 2014 CS 991 PDK. I have driven both cars on 2000 mi + tours. I can truthfully share the 991 is far superior to the 997. I love the PSK for it's ability to always be in the best gear at any time, and the ease of driving in heavy traffic in cities or the mountains. The PSE is excellent.Once you get used to the bells and whistles, it is a hoot! So, that's my opinion, from someone that has owned them both!
Thanks for watching and chiming in. In which way do you believe it is superior?
I love my 997.1 Carrera C2S 3.8, but I am still disappointed by the lack of durability of suspension and motors compared with earlier 911 models, or the transaxle models such as the 944 and 928. I have them too, and my 35 year old 928S4 with 136k miles has less suspension rattles . But back to the 997, suspension top mounts, track arm ball joints, all have developed rattles on cars with less than 60k miles. My 2006 997 S needs new top mounts in front at 55k miles, and the noises just "arrived" after one spirited 600 mile trip. Same with a 2000 Boxster S I drove hard through some back roads. Front ball joint rattles in the lower arms appeared after one 250 mile drive. M97 engines have some common issues as well, which were largely solved by the 9A1 featured in your video. I agree the the 997 styling was a welcome return, and the driving experience is more enjoyable but I wish the working bits were more durable. Thanks for the vid, further convinced me to keep my manual S...
Definitely keep your 997 S manual! Thank you for watching, and for sharing your experiences. I can honestly say I have never heard anyone else ever mention the suspension noises you have. And I now have over 66,000 miles on mine (the car in the video) and in addition to being my only car and my daily driver, I track it hard at Circuit of The Americas, about 350-400 miles a weekend, on average once a month. No issues ever. I will ask around when I meet with other 997 owners to see if they have experienced what you described. Either way, your car is awesome and I hope you continue to enjoy it!
@GTSCarLife I envy your access to COTA. Great track. Roads in NZ are a lot rougher and harder on susension components, I think. Zero freeways for 200 miles from where I live, so it's always a bit bumpy and agricultural! Thanks for the reply.
@andrewanderson3355 Yes, NZ is famous for its punishing roads. That definitely helped determine the types of vehicles manufacturers offer you. If you ever plan a trip to Texas, please reach out. I’d love to take you out on track as my guest for a hot laps ride along. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
I’d argue that the potential 997 suspension issues you mentioned are easily fixable, even gt3 parts are a direct swap. However, you can’t fix the electric steering, bloated size, and sedan interior of the 991 without an almost infinite budget.
Got a 997.1 GT3 new in 2007. After 55,000 miles, absolutely trouble free, if you don’t count lots of new tires, brakes, and two clutches; it is perfect! Still absurdly fast, completely analog, I am able to drive with the new GT 3’s in fast rallies though sometimes you have to do a little intentional oversteer for the tight corners, and with its iconic wing, I am absolutely certain that I got the perfect GT3. Maybe not for everyone, but certainly for me.
A definite classic and keeper. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience!
Watching from New Zealand
March 2019 I looked at 997.1 4s manual
And 997.1 turbo manual
Compared to 991.1 pdk
How could you not appreciate them all
Ended up with 997.1 turbo manual and absolutely love it
agree with everything said in your video
Sounds like you made a great choice! Thank you for watching, subscribing and enjoy that awesome 997 Turbo!!!
Both 997 and 991.2 is beatiful!
Any 911 is a great car! Thanks for watching, subscribing and contributing to the conversation.
Beautiful and interesting comparison. Recently bought a 991.1 C2 GTS cab. I wanted for years the last of N/A models available in cab version and I found a mint one with about 50k miles. I evaluated also the 997.2 GTS pdk and also Turbo versions but having already a 993 c2 manual I chose a less analogic and more modern version. But if I didn’t have the 993 I would have chosen the 997.2 gts for sure! I excluded 991.2 and 992 because of the 3.0 TT engine, great engine, very powerful but poor sound.
Can't fault your logic! I'd be curious to hear what you think 24 months from now. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience!
@@GTSCarLifethanks! Now just 6 months passed after the purchase and I’m very happy. Sometimes I find myself thinking that If I added some 20-30k to the price I could have bought a near new 992 C2S (with less risks connected to an 8 years old car) but then when I drive it I totally forget about this concerns 😂 I’ll keep you updated with my impressions.
@filippoavogaro9610 I just spent 2 days in a 992 Turbo S. Look for that video late next week!
997.1 Turbo manual is my favourite, hence why I bought one. Nearly bought a 991S PDK.
PDK is fantastic for very enthusiastic driving and serious lap times - ask any F1 driver if he would switch his car to a manual- but for fun, spirited drives like canyons, a manual is much more fun. I think you made the right choice. Your 997.1 Turbo is an absolute keeper. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience. Cheers!
I love the line you took on track! Great video.
Thanks for watching and for your support!
Market price proves the rarity and demand for 991.1 GTS in manual gearbox. They haven’t depreciated a penny since 2016.
Last N/A carrera, rear wheel drive and the wide body(only on 4S, GTS and GT3 came with it back then)
www.cars.com/shopping/porsche-911-2016-carrera_gts/
Not sure where you came up with your values, but used 2016 911 GTS have in fact depreciated and are continuing to. They are definitely great cars to drive! Thanks for watching, subscribing and commenting!
997 is definitely on top of my list, Cayman 918 is a second.
Great video... but tell us how you really feel... lol
All joking aside , a bit harsh on the 991 ... but I get it , it's a great sweet spot. The raising prices of 997 is putting me off, I feel there should be a few more years of decline for this model, but market doesn't seem to agree so far!!
Thanks for watching. As I started the video with, any 911 is a great car and if there was only one, we would all love it. But the 997 really is the high mark in the history of Porsche’s famous, now 60 year old sports car. And yes, the market agrees which is even more meaningful than my opinion. I now have over 71,000 miles on my 997.2 GTS so obviously I am not driving to preserve my cars value. But I do believe the 997 and especially the 997.2 which is mechanically superior and also was built in significantly lower numbers, will only increase in value from this point. Thanks for subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Agree, too harsh toward the 991.1.
Agree 100%, because I have that exact car 2011 997.2 GTS 😊 in white as well.
Carrara White was the GTS Coupe factory Launch Color. Congratulations on owning one of the finest sports cars ever made! What country are you in? Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
Cape Town, South Africa, thanks for your channel 🙏 👍
@ianharries9480 South Africans have the coolest accent in the world! Thanks for watching!
Love my 2006 997 coupe ! My car just reached 60,000 miles . When I can no longer drive she is going to my son ❤️😊
We’re on the same page. My 2011 has 69,000 mile. I daily her, track her often and will never sell her. And one day, hopefully 30 years from now, my son will get her. In the meantime, I get so much pleasure watching him take her around COTA faster than the Ferraris, R8’s and other stuff that frequents that track. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your story!
964 or 993 would be the better question. I prefer the looks and feel of the older ones.
That would be a great video, no doubt! I need to find two available examples! Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
It’d be cool to see a comparison of the 964 Carrera 4 and 993 Carrera 4S. The 964 C4 gets very little attention.
@JoJoJoker great car, getting hard to find one these days Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
997.2 Carrera S Cabrio is the best all rounder. I have owned 997.2 Coupe, 991.1, 991.2 Targa and a 992.1 C4S and went back to a 997.2 S Cab as best quality and build. Lovely compact car too.
I’m hearing a lot of stories like this. The 997.2 was the one that Porsche got perfect. Thanks for sharing your experience. And thanks for watching and subscribing!
That 991 in your video did not have the PSE so ofcourse It’s not going to sound good. Drive one with the PSE. Big difference. I do have to agree with the E brake. That’s the one thing I really hate in my 991.1 C2S.
It’s difficult finding “exact matches “ but I try not to fault a car for equipment differences. For example, it also did not have Sport Chrono, but I do not hold against it anything that would be a result of that. I drive a bunch of cars and pretty much all recent 911 models from the base Carrera and S to the GT3 and GT2 RS, as well as the Cayman GT4 RS and so on. So I think it’s fair to say that the more recent models have less sound. Frankly, the 996 had the best sound of all water cooled models, from the factory. Cool reviews coming. Thank you for watching and sharing your observations!
Agree. A better comparison would have been like for like with a 991.1 GTS. (An example of Which I personally own and prefer over my old 997 in every way) each to their own however.
@barryhutchinson5130 Understand. I didn’t have access to a 997 S, but the 997 GTS is really not noticeably faster than the S and the interior in leather is identical so these two cars served the purpose of comparing 2 different modern 911 versions that a buyer back then, and more importantly today, can choose from. The 991 GTS came out for 2015 as you know. Even so, all the attributes that I discussed are still there in the 991 GTS. Also as I said, any 911 is a great car. I really loved my 996, and it remains the most pure and true to concept of all the water cooled 911 models. Thanks for watching and enjoy your great 911!
997 turbo. Last of the Metzger engines. Durable. No bore scoring issues. My pick
The 997 Turbo is definitely a great choice! Thanks for watching, subscribing and contributing to the conversation!
I love the 993. It was the NEW 911 when I was in college. Fell head over heals in love with it. It was so new and so exciting. I love the 997 but also the new 992.1.
I understand. The SC was the 911 that I lusted over as a teenager, so to me, all air-cooled 911s are supposed to have impact bumpers! It's easy to fall in love with any 911, and the 993 is surely a candidate for best one ever. I just reviewed a 992 Turbo S yesterday, and will be putting that video up next. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts!
I went with the 2019 991.2 4 gts and love it!
No interest in 992s.
Any 911 is a great car! I’m curious, in what way(s) do you see the 992 as so objectionable over the 991.2? Thanks.
@GTSCarLife the 991.2 is the perfect blend of tech and analog for me with plenty of power that can easily be tuned up >500hp if so desired.
There are other reasons too, including size, looks imo, view of hood near dash, razor, lower grade materials imo, etc.
The 997 is the best 911 generation perfectly situated between the old and the new.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for watching, subscribing and adding your comments!
I have owned both. Traded a 997.1s 6MT for a 991.1 C2 7MT, and never regretted the decision. The 991 is the better car in every objective manner. It out performs the 997 across the board, and is absolutely a more refined and more modern car. I agree wholeheartedly with the common subjective assessments/opinions about the 997 offering better “road feel”, and a more compact sports car experience (the 991 in no way feels “huge”, but the 997 is a bit more cozy) and, although the 991’s 7MT is spectacular, the 997’s 6MT is “spectacular +1”
Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your views. Do you plan on trading in for a 992? I just spent 2 days in a 992 Turbo S and to me, the 992 is light years ahead of the 991 in refinement and the all important special "feel". If you appreciate the performance improvements of each succeeding generation, I think you'll really like the 992. Cheers!
I did the same, 997.1 2S MT to a 991.2 2S MT. The 997 was smaller and felt more like a true sports car, but the 991.2 is just a better car all around. More planted, more power, tunable, modern, and the electrical steering is greatly improved. I’m glad I made the switch, no regrets.
@hobear637 I agree the electric steering was vastly improved with succeeding model years. Also, by any measurable stat, Porsche tends to get “better and better” with each new generation. That’s a fact. But the point of this comparison wasn’t which 911 is the fastest. That is now a 992. It was which 911 is the best sports car, and more specifically, which 911 is the best 911. Of course that is subjective. Not everyone will agree and many will have different opinions. This video reflects mine. Thanks for watching, subscribing and contributing your perspective!
@@GTSCarLife thanks for the content!
Sold my 997.2 C4S for a 991.2 T. The NA engine was great but don’t regret the trade for a minute.
Any 911 is better than no 911. As per Tedward! I love my 997.2 with my own personal upgrades! Enjoy your 911!
100%. Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing that sentiment!
I currently have a 997.2 Carrera S, which I bought after my very first 911, a 2017 991.2 Carrera was sadly totaled. After having both cars, I can say that I tend to go against the prevailing wisdom of most Porsche enthusiasts and I think the 991.2 is one of the best versions of the 911 ever produced! I miss the sound of the turbos whisping, the sports exhaust sounded amazing, and the low end torque was so fun around town. By comparison, the 997.2 doesn’t sound as good. The interior has some creaking in it, and it doesn’t feel as solid. I also think the pure esthetics of the design is far superior on the 991.2 than the 997.2. The back of the 997.2 is awkward, the taillights look too fat for my taste, and I actually prefer the lowered stance of the 991 over the bubbly look of the 997. The 2017 felt so much more powerful and special than my current one also. Don’t get me wrong, I love my 2009 version. Every 911 is special and a fantastic car by any measure and I am so blessed to be able to care for one. The 992 is way too big for me, and I hate all the black plastic and there are too many gadgets in the interior. I’d much rather have my current 2009 than a brand new one! But I would take my 2017 back from its early grave any day of the week if I could! I will probably be ravaged for that opinion, but I don’t care! I love my 997.2 and I drive it everywhere! I just miss my 991.2.
First of all, thank you, sincerely for watching, subscribing and sharing your opinion. Nobody can rightly ravage you for lovinga 991.2, specially one you owned and lost. As I said in the very first sentence of the video, all 911s are awesome, and if Porsche only made one, it would be fantastic and we would all love it.
My judgment is based on the definition of a traditional sports car. There are plenty of air cooled 911 owners who think any water cooled 911 is too big, too soft and not a real 911. That’s OK, it’s their opinion and there’s a 911 for them for sure. I’m about to turn 59 and my opinion reflects my life experiences and the cars I grew up with. For me, a 911 looks like the impact bumper era, air cooled models of the 80’s. That has always been a 911 to me. I am fortunate to be able to drive my dream car, which is this 2011 911 Carrera GTS. If I wanted an air cooled 911, 964 or 993 I would have that instead. They are not as good as a daily driver because they lack safety, comfort, and other features that the 997 has. And they are painfully inadequate on track. As for the 991 and 992, they just feel too big and civilized to me. I feel, and I am far from alone on this, that they have transitioned into luxury GT cars. Again, nothing wrong with that, just not, as close to an ideal 911 in my view. I will say, it surprises me how many people agree with you that the 992 is far too big, but the 991 is not. They are essentially the same platform with styling changes, similar to how the 997 and 996 are essentially the same basic platform.
Lastly, I think that since the 992 has crossed over into the GT car class, the Turbo and Turbo S versions are the best new 911. Too big to be sports cars, but I would take one over an Aston Martin, Bentley or Mercedes coupe any day of the week.
Again, thank you for watching. I hear you and the criticisms you had of your 997 are certainly legitimate. They are older cars, and I guess those of us who prefer them, consider that part of their character or charm. Cheers, Thomas.
@@GTSCarLife Your GTS is a beautiful car! Love the black leather interior. I do love my 2009 Carrera S, and I think it is a gorgeous car, so fun to drive, and it has been super reliable. I've taken it on several 500+ mile road trips, and it is so fun doing things like that. I think any 911 is so hard to criticize and it just boils down to nitpicking at that point! They are all so special and wonderful to drive. I think that is the best thing about Porsche. We are all so passionate about our cars, and they have done such a good job over the last half a century in giving each of us something we love. I love seeing any 911 whether its a brand new Turbo S or a 2001 Carrera with 100,000 miles, each of those cars would thrill me the same to talk to their owners and sit in it for a ride. As different as they are, I also love how very similar they are too. You can look at every 911 and know instantly it belongs to that family. Most other brands can't really say the same, at least not to the same degree. Thanks for the reply and great video!
@devinstitely6437 Thank you and I agree with you. You summed it up perfectly.
I am looking for a gen2 997 manual. What is about going for? Turbo? GTS? C4S? C?
You will love any of them. A “base” 2003 996.2 Carrera manual coupe is still an absolute blast to drive on the street! Let us know which one you get! Thanks for watching, subscribing and chiming in.
I loved my 997, owned it for 5 years and drove many miles with it. The 991 I still own I love a lot too. According my opinion a better car then the 997. But as usual it depends on what you are looking for in a car…..is it for daily use…etc…If you really want the 911 experience in its purely form you should go for a 964 or 993.
Great video though with good detailed explanations.
Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your experience! What is it you like more about the 991? Which model do you have? Yes, a 993 would be great to drive, but as you said, it depends on a persons use. As beautiful as they are, I daily and track my car, so the air-cooled models offer less safety, convenience and are not competitive with any of today’s cars on track. But if I had a spare garage spot! Cheers.
I own a white 991.1 Carrera S, 2014 model, PDK with the “flippers” at the steering wheel. Good options (I think) such as PDCC, “turbo seats”, red coloured seatbelts, sport chrono package with sport exhaust, black leather interior, dark rims. No sunroof since I agree with you that the sunroof looked much better on the 997 and be honest….does a race car (GT3, GT3 RS, Supercup etc) have a sunroof?
With the 997 I also spend time on the track, attended the Porsche driving school and even got my racing license. The 991 that I own since 2018 I never spend any mile on the track but love to use it for nice touring trips. As you also mentioned in your video the 991 is better build for this purpose. I think it has a good power weight ratio and the engine with the sport exhaust sound great….you don’t need to go fast or drive with high RPM’s to enjoy the car. Unfortunately with the 991.2 it’s a different story since the turbo took away a lot of that beautiful sound. I also find the 991 more stable at high speeds as well as in curves ( well…the PDCC helps a lot of course..;) )
When I look at the pictures of my 997, I can still fall in love with that car. I also owned a 996.2 but I changed it for the 997 after a couple of months….I liked the 997 much more those days, with its nice roundings and the looks of the 993.
I must say that your white 997.2 GTS is a beauty. The GTS has anyway a sharper/better sound then the Carrera S. My next one will be a GTS too. Not sure if it will be a 992 though.
The 964 and the 993 offer indeed less safety and convenience but hey are great to drive. I have to agree with you that the 997 gives both, the looks of the 993 and the convenience and the power of the modern versions!!!
@@GTSCarLife
I understand and agree with your points. And no, I can’t remember seeing any race cars with a sunroof, though I did see a Mosler Consulier targa roof at COTA last year. Sounds like you have a great spec. As I said in the video, the 991 can be specced really nicely if the buyer puts in the time and money. And again, any 911 is awesome! Thanks for your reply! Enjoy your amazing car!
The 997.2 hands down! This GTS, Porsche got so right!
Thanks, I have to agree! About to roll over 70,000 miles now and she just continues to make me smile. Daily driver, track car and so crazy reliable and well built. Thanks for watching, subscribing and contributing to the conversation!
A bit of a snob Porsche owner review. As in the old Porsche is the only true Porsche. I’ve owned a 1981 911sc for 30 years now. And also have a 2016 991.1. Both awesome cars. Newer 911 are always better 911’s. 997 vs 991.1; the 991.1 is 100lbs lighter and more horsepower. The 911.1S out preforms the 997 GTS.
All 911 are awesome, it comes down to what you want and how much to spend. If I could afford it I would also have a
2023 911GT3RS
So you’ve said the same things I did. Except the snob part. Any 911 is great; I believe that was literally the first sentence out of my mouth. And I also said each generation gets more and more capable. There is however more to any vehicle than just specs. And the 992 GT3 RS is a track beast, but not suitable for daily use. So we agree on most points. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I own a 1968 SWB hot rodded 2.5 MFI long hood 911 R replica build - great car. Raw and real.
And the 997 GTS, which might be the best modern Porsche fit / finish / balance / size Porsche has made. And there is no 996/997/991 GT3 I would trade it for as I just don’t enjoy those on the streets. I sold my GT3 to get the 68 and build its engine. And after 2 years of owning the GT3 the itch was scratched and I’d never buy another “super car” / heavy ass clutch / manual Porsche track car again. And at my track 10:1 people want to take a lap in the 68 over any GT3.
Smiles per mile / mileage may vary.
The new cars don’t do it for me. And I’m hardly the only one.
Emissions regulations and electronic nannies to meet euro regs etc etc is the only reason the 991 became a 3.0 turbo from nat aspirated. Then they added 4 wheel steering modulation to go with the video game steering to make the newer 911s steer and handle like the smaller pre 2012/997 cars do. And now with the new 992 S/T car they got rid of 4 wheel steering and turbos to “pure” it up.
Nobody is arguing Porsche are genius at making every generation “better”. If your version of better is what you actually want. But better is also judged over time and history.
It’s why they keep remaking history:
A 1968 911 R is valued at 3 or 4 x the value of the 2016 911 R - which is faster - but not “better”.
Just like the 2023 S/T will be to its heritage edition.
You have a 991.1 and many love or don’t love that car compared to others for reasons in this video. You don’t have to agree. But having an opinion is hardly “snobby”.
Some cars will just age better after their 10+yrs. The 997.2 so far is one of those.
Time will tell if the 991.1 will do same. Or many other modern variants that aren’t from the GT department.
@jeremy7818 Thank you for watching, subscribing and contributing to the conversation. You said a lot. I think most here will agree with you. Where do you live? I want a ride in that ‘68! Have fun, stay safe and hope to see you out there! Thomas
Totally agree ! 997 is the last real Porsche before VW took over Porsche in 2012.
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A bit biased maybe, but as a past 997.2 C2S owner, I could not agree more!
But really, are you biased, or just well informed? Thanks for watching, subscribing and chiming in!
As a postscript, the GT3 is the sixth 911 I have owned. I may get an allotment for an S/T. Regardless I will keep my 997.1 GT3.
Maintenance on the 997 will now come into play. The late 991 models are still relatively new. Unlike the 997. But you pays your money …
That is true. However 911’s are remarkably reliable and much less expensive to operate and maintain than other cars with similar performance or mileage. I’m continually amazed at what these cars give their owners and how little they ask for in return. Thank you for watching, subscribing and commenting!
My best 911, the one i own, a 997.2 turbo with manual transmission. For me the best 911 ever made
That is truly an exceptional automobile, and an absolute keeper! Thank you for watching, subscribing and commenting! Congratulations on owning one of the greatest cars ever made!
it is soooo true what you said, and this is the reason I went back to a 997 from a 991. 997 from the inside feels so much more personal, the cockput wraps around you, the 991 is just too airy inside.
Thank you for watching, subscribing and commenting! I’m honestly amazed by the few who don’t get it. I believe it matters to a real sports car enthusiast. Today, a large percentage of 911 buyers never owned an actual sports car. Congratulations on your 997!
@@GTSCarLife Likewise! congrats on your GTS, beautfiful spec with the extended leather too on the doors and gear levels surround. I agree, most people that have never owned a 911 before for example a 996 or 997 will be happy with a 991, but for us, we have been spoilt and so accustomed to the feel and connection we get from a 996 or a 997. The 997 truly is the last true feeling 911. I wish I never sold my 997.1 C2S, however I am back in to a 997.1 Turbo manual. It does not have the same feel as the C2S though, you can definitely feel the increase weight in the Turbo. The nimbleness is there but no where near that of say a C2S or your GTS.
@rao3352 I agree with everything you said. And your manual Turbo is very capable, fast and rare. Can’t go wrong with that one either. Maybe one day you can add a 997.2 GTS to the collection! Let me know if you ever plan a trip to the Austin, TX area!
@@GTSCarLife It definitely is, its quite fast, but more than enough for roads, I cannot imagine why and how fast newer cars are, it just seems pointless. I definitely want to add a GTS that will be very cool! and haha I am all the way in the UK, however if I ever make a trip to the USA and in the TX area I will definitely say hi!
Also, I did note on the 991.1 that the steering definitely felt so numb in the centre! definitely much better on the 997
@rao3352 Again, agree 100%. I have family in London and Belfast NI. Thanks for watching from the U.K. If you make it to Austin, time it so there is a track event and I’ll take you out for hot laps in my GTS. Cheers!
Many of the same issues apply to the 987 and 981 Boxsters. I have owned both and the 981 is hands down a much, much better car. I like everything about the 981 better than my 987. I do agree on the handbrakes though. I miss my handbrake lever!
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Just bought my first Porsche - a low low mileage 2011 911 997.2 Targa 4. Absolutely love it. Feels like I’m driving a performance machine. I test drove one of the new 992 models and I agree - it’s fast, performs great but feels like a video game. Or a spaceship. I don’t feel connected to the road. Didn’t like it at all.
Congratulations! You have an excellent and rare 911. Great choice! Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your story!
anybody who plans to track the 997…..you need to address the oil pick up issue and it needs front camberplates. it will understeer and devour the outer shoulders of the fronts in half a day.
That would be true for people hard tracking a 996 or maybe certain 997.1 models, but is not at all true for my 997.2 GTS. My 2003 996.2 Carrera manual did not want to turn, the brakes overheated quickly and I had to upgrade the oil pan and air/oil separator with Boxster Spec motorsport parts. My 2011 997.2 GTS with PDK is 100% bone stock and runs perfectly at COTA, which is a super fast 3.4 mile F1 track, even in 110 degree heat. My GTS turns beautifully, accelerates and brakes like it was made for track use. The 9A1 motor and chassis / suspension improvements are night and day versus the 996 and early (997.1) gen 997. Thanks for watching, subscribing and sharing your thoughts.
As a 996.1 C2 6mt coupe owner, I think mine is the best 911. I don't hate the headlights. Instead I fly the ambers proudly. And unlike many, I have not lowered or added body kits to get that gt3ish appearance, nor have I succumbed to fashion and moved to 18 or 19" wheels. 17s are light and right, and make the car flickable and enjoyable to drive aggressively. I solved the understeer problem easily and cheaply with a proper front and rear anti sway bar by eibach. The superb balance and weighting equivalency of the steering, shifter and pedals are aligned perfectly, creating harmony in the cockpit for anyone who cares to explore those characteristics. It's for the drivers. You are definitely a driver, and your 997 GTS is probably the last best 911... But too expensive for me. So I got creative. To solve the horrible throttle response, I flashed a tune. To remove weak points I added a more robust air oil Separator (UAOS). The cooling systems are all new and work perfectly. There's no bore scoring. The ims has been recently changed to the ln unit. Total price to restore and (mostly) bulletproof this v lightweight and stiff sports purpose chassis was just over 50k, car included. Try getting any other 911 remotely as fun to drive _for the cost_. I guess a 997.1 might be attainable at that price, but there's all sorts of maintenance needed on most of those as they approach higher mileage, so nope. No 993s are that cheap. Sure, a boxter handles better on track when dialed, but it's not a 911. So nyah nyah.😅 I would not consider the 991 in the same category of vehicle. It's a Grand tourer with a big butt... Nope, I'll stick with my 996, patently a better car than any air cooled, yet not a behemoth. When I see what folks are paying for air cooled SCs or older, I'm not tempted. If money were no object, then yes, for the beauty and simplicity, a '74 Carrera would be in my driveway in a heartbeat. But for a car that you can enjoy daily, with excellent AC the 996 wins again. It's old enough, but not too old. Like me.
Anyway... I'm rambling. Again ... Ha ha. Great video, keep up the content!
Thank you so much for your wonderful comments about your amazing 911. I’m curious, did you have a chance to watch my video on the 996? That was my car and I put 96,610 miles on her. My friend in San Diego has her now and she has over 107,000 miles. Completely trouble free. I also did the IMS replacement and the air oil separator from Porsche motorsport, which was actually designed for spec Boxsters back in the day. Never messed with the suspension so the understeer was always there, and mine came with 18 inch wheels. You won’t get an argument from me about the 996. I have said in the video and firmly believe they are the most true to the original concept of any water cooled 911. They are lightweight, raw, pure and more fun to drive than anything built afterwards. The performance specs always get better with any new Porsche, so they don’t compete in that regard, but they are more fun to drive. There is a purity with the 996 that is unmatched by later 911s. I love what Porsche and PCA did for the one off special that Jerry Signfield bought. Would have been great if those types of upgrades were available to the public. And like you, I actually like the 996 headlights. I think the big mistake Porsche made was putting them on the Boxster first Again, thank you so much for watching, subscribing and your awesome comments.
It's always a matter of taste, but I will probably never sell my 6spd 997.2 C2S
Awesome model! Thank you for watching, subscribing and sharing your story!
997.3 GTS 4 2012 is and way the best bang for the buck!
Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts. Interesting fact, Porsche never intended to offer 4 wheel drive on the GTS. They planned for the GTS to be the most athletic Carrera model, but be positioned as somewhat more street friendly than the GT3, which is too track focused for daily driving. Upon announcement of the swan song 997 models, including the GTS, Porsche dealers in far north countries complained that they were being left out because they needed 4wd to be able to sell to their clients. Porsche quickly responded that they would get one, and the 4 GTS was born.