I know right I have the OG Xbox one in the Xbox 1X and it difference is completely noticeable Xbox series X it completely different from the Xbox One X
Me parece que esto pone en evidencia que Playground esta muy ocupado con Fable y FH5, pero viendo la bajada de calidad gráfica en algunas zonas me parece que hay parche inminente o Playground se encargara...
@@cimarcardozo855 why would you respond in Spanish after reading his comment in English and yes there is solid proof play ground is working on the new fable game and it's a safe assumption they working on horizon 5
all the common force feedback peripherals that many use with the game also now have various bugs, some large enough to render them unusable. so much for usb peripherals seamlessly transfering to the new console...
@@Kingofconsoles54 what?😂😂 All the tests I've seen have them performing about the same. Besides there will be games where one loads two seconds faster and a slightly higher number in resolution. "Worse" is such a strong word. You make it sound like one runs at 1200p30 and another 4K60
Dont understand why night shadows and SSAO are disabled on xsx, its not a massive perormance killer. Digital foundry, could you please ask the devs about it. the missing Ssao and night shadows in rsces are very noticable for me when Im playing.
That hang up at 6:50 is a rare occurrence based on its 7 servers are 1 server system. You switched from one region to another but the new region I presume had a full lobby of higher ping players and the game pooped itself a little. More server side than game/console side. The servers for Horizon 4 are garbage after all
Yeah. Great racing game. Awful online services. I have yet to finish any of the online activities, because I inevitably lose connection to the server before completing.
Can't wait for Horizon 5! Hopefully it's in Japan. They also have the 4 seasons and the mountain roads are like the ultimate dual roads ala initial D, tokyo drift :D Also very gorgeous
I just hope it's in a right driving country. I'm kinda sick of driving on the wrong side of the road unintentionally. So, no definitely not Japan, they already did that one.
My main hope is the map is at least 2 or 3 times the size for next gen.. don't see why it can't be , imagine having a massive tokyo style city with all the neon lights and then a huge open environment with mountains 😍
@@UmVtCg My dream is that the next Horizon is set in Germany/Switzerland. You can drive from the black forest straight up into the Swiss alps and those beautiful roads where Hammon crashed the Rimac, and then descend into the valley with the air strip where they drag race hypercars. Lots of amazing driving roads and the autobahn running through half the map. ...And the piece de resistance: the public access nurburgring: the nurburgring where we can just drive onto it in online freeplay and race a van against a GT3 RS and thread through all the other players on the track. It's not _quite_ a conventional race-track so it doesn't break Playground's self-imposed rules about not including tracks in their maps and it'd be fucking cool. NB: before anyone jumps in to tell me they've already done Europe: I know. I know they're not going to go with this. But it's my dream FH5 location so I get to choose. FYI - they haven't done Japan before.
@DeathIsAGift you are completely missing the point The main intention to compare with a pc is to know in which settings they are running and is there any limitations are there
@Hannibal B totally agree! I want to know how these systems stack up against each other! Also ive heard AC runs at 60fps which is just amazing! Rtx 3090 cant lock 4k 60 so if these consoles are really pulling that off, it would be quite a feat!
I love the fact that Digital Foundry has become the ultimate beta testers as they seem to find and point out all these little things which the devs may actually already know about but maybe didn't have time to implement before launching the product. Thankfully we live in an age of digital updates and many little things can be patched and fixed over time. At least the frame rate and resolution are solid right off the bad so it'll still be a joy to play the game.
Honestly, 99% of gamers won't even notice the issues that you pointed out. 4K 60 with way faster loading times in a gorgeous game like FH4 is spectacular!
Yeah I played this on one x and now on series x and Jesus it’s incredible upgrade. But now after mentions this.... I’m gonna box it up and return it... disgusting 58fps dip this one time... absolutely disgusting.
I don't think you are "reading" the timestamps correctly. The millisecond counts seem to be counting to 60 but you are reading them as a decimal point. At 4:13 you say 13:40 as "13.4" seconds but it's more like 13.67.
That's an interesting thing to point out. I've never actually seen milliseconds to be counted up to 60. I wonder if it's just a visual presentation thing on the video overlay here or DF's internal tools actually do count like that. Technically, a millisecond is a 1000 of a second so it's always counted to 1000.
@@uzeeinc I think it must be a problem with the tool. A "mm:ss:msms" format just doesn't make sense. The ":" as a seperator is unusual, you would need 4 digits instead of 2 for ms and of course it wouldn't count to 60. It should be "mm:ss.##" with ## being the first two decimals for the seconds.
I noticed the same thing. To the point from @UzEEInc , in the video does show the last two digits counting from 0x to 5x and back to 0x, and it certainly shouldn't be read like a decimal number using the word 'point'.
I'm personally not a fan. I love DF and always watch the videos but it's frustrating that Alex always highlights something so pointless like the 3fps dips that rarely ever happen and are barely noticeable in this video. He does usually go into a much deeper analysis than the other members of the team. But I guess it's all down to personal preference.
Oh this explains so much! I was wondering why it looked kinda off as I've mostly played in the quality mode on One X. I really hope they improve it soon
@@fnsonicrick As far as I can tell it still hasn't. I wonder if there's some limitation with the gen9aware gdk (would be weird but these consoles can definitely include AO)
I know that most of the upgrades other than increased FPS are probably unnoticeable when I'm driving over 100 mph, but I still find all of this technical analysis fascinating!
Actually how faster you drive how much more noticeable it is because due to you driving in fast speeds the frames only render at 24fps so when you say 500feet every 2 seconds your game will be chopping those frames as 500:24~20:2=10 feet per frame while 60fps will get you 500:60~8:2=4 feet per frame. Would you want 10 feet per frame or rather 4 feet per frame? And the difference increases exponentially too.
One issue I had, was my old save game crashed everytime I reached the autumn transition when I tried it on my series X. I had to delete my cloud and local saves. That fixed the issue, and luckily I wasn’t very far along anyway.
You can already get 60fps at 1080p with a mixture of High and Ultra settings using an old R9 380 4GB. Surprised that the Xbox Series S is only able to match that, but without any SSAO.
they want to give people a bigger reason to get the series x, so they dont use the series s to its full potential maybe? Or they neglect the Series S because they are so invested in the Series X competing with ps5? i dont know
Thanks for the analysis! I was playing this last night on my Series X. It is phenomenal. The load time improvements are everything I could have asked for.
@@chickmagnetwampaone Awesome! Other games I've been giving a go are: AC Valhalla - looks great and plays great, but stutters in cut scenes for some reason Shadow of War - loading is hugely improved Snake Pass - Silly and fun game, but the load times don't seem improved much That's all I've had time for so far. I'm definitely happy with the system.
Loading times are great, on average fast traveling was taking me a maximum of 2 seconds on the series X compared with probably 10 times that on my One X even on a SSD.
I suspect a lot of legacy games are going to get multiple generations of upgrade patches for the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S. Publishers have a deep interest in making the games attractive to new console buyer ASAP, so they'll make incremental upgrades to their existing IPs until it's no longer deemed as producing positive ROI. 2021 will be the year of the upgrade patch while the senior teams develop entirely new IPs.
Yes im highly interested in that! I wonder what resolution AC Valhalla is running at on the consoles, various sources conflict each other in that lol. For Watch Dogs Legion, I did some comparisons and found out the texture quality is set to medium, Headlight shadows appear to be off and shadow quality should be Ultra (on Series X, idk about Series S) due to enabled contact shadows. RT should be below medium as some reflections are missing. I'm sure Alex will find out a lot more cool stuff though.
@@dampflokfreund gotta be something wrong with your analysis, there’s just zero chance next gen Watch Dogs versions use medium textures with the amount of RAM available
Thank you for this. I knew something wasn’t right visually. I just couldn’t pick it out. The shadows, I definitely saw. I didn’t catch the ambient occlusion missing, nor the characters animating at half frame rate. So hopefully they fix these. There is no way the new machine can’t run it at 60 frames per second with these things present... or maybe it’s something with the engine. But if the PC can do it at ultra with a 2080, the series X should be able to do it the same. It just might need more optimization. Let’s hope it was just some sort of glitch or something they missed in translation. Cause it’s funny, because something seemed off to me and I couldn’t place it. Definitely the ambient occlusion would make a huge difference along with the shadows. There is also some sort of lighting glitch and I can’t place what that is. I notice it when I rotate the camera, especially through trees. It seems like there are light flashes. I don’t know what that is. Maybe you guys have a better idea.
Well were over a month down the line and the missing effects on series X still havent been fixed no ambient occlusion etc and that's with DF reaching out to the developer I wouldn't mind but theres been two patches since release of series x patch 🤷♂️
Most people aren’t complaining about it. If anything people are praising it. So it may never get fixed which is a shame. I literally stopped playing after updating from the one x
@@monarchu yeah I last had a update a week ago and nothing has been added back in that I can see SSAO is still missing which is the biggest thing for me so don't know why you've posted false information
@@nodowt Pretty sure you would have never noticed that without a DF video with 400% zoom here and there... I love DF but sometimes it's a brainwashing for such a slight difference. Also, stop talking like having 60fps instead of 30 is nothing, it's everything
I never played the One X version of FH4. I'm playing it now for the first time on my Series X and noticed a big update after the initial install. Being that I never saw any previous versions of this game, I thought it looked flawless and didn't notice any of the things pointed out here. I feel like after watching this now i'm going to go back into into the game possibly noticing them, lol! But I do understand where the improvements could've been made. I appreciate these kinds of analisis. Shows developers that issues don't go unnoticed no matter how minor they are. The resources are there. Use them to the best of their abilities.
yeah is a great game, but gran turismo is better. and this is no hate towards xbox. but Forza has some small things that make it a bit less. Sounds from cars, cars don't seem to touch the ground, making handeling a bit weird. but still a cool game I like ti play regularly
Even an RX5700XT, which is inferior to the XSX gpu level, is able to run FH4 at perfectly solid 4K60fps on ultra settings. My theory here is that the game is still running in backwards compatibility mode, so they cant still make use of RDNA2 IPC improvements, i think that it's literally emulating GCN behaviour. The game shouldn't be announced as an X|S optimized in this state.
@@thenoobperspective7588That's not right, the game have sligh fps drops on race starting scenes, which means that it's also hitting performance limitations on XSX, this game is still running in BC mode, just with a new settings tweak.
@@jotawayhijo That’s probably due to the high polygon close ups of the cars running at Native 4K. It certainly isn’t well optimized, but it’s not running in “BC mode”, this is a native port.
So one of the weirder details is the shadow inconsistency in the Series X version. For almost every single race the dynamic shadows are turned off...except I noticed in the stunt events it's fully active. This incurred no performance hits either so my feeling is this was kept as is on the one x because of an oversight. I would hope they patch it back in as it adds a ton to when you are driving around the world at night. The atmosphere is excellent.
Thanks for this video. When i was playing on my Series S i noticed that the night didn't look as pretty as in some videos of the One X but i wasn't sure why. Now i can see that the lack of shadows at night was the issue.I really hope that they add those shadows for the Series S :(
Last time I played it was on Xbox One S until yesterday on my new Series X. It's a different game, 4K/60 and with this beautiful setting is jaw-dropping.
6:30 The "one off drop" happened to me multiple times. I found that it might have something to do with server connection as it only happened when I was on a full server and a few minutes away from a Forzathon event but happened three times or so since playing on release day
Damn, one of the features i love in Quality Mode on the X1X is the car light shadow, i really hope Panic Button fix it on the XSX in races, same for SSAO, otherwise i'll stick to my PC when playing FH4, when i get XSX.
@@Scalene_2 One of the features i love to do in FH4 is to take some really beautiful shots, so yeah I prefer the first option in that case. But what I meant to say is PC not X1X, my apoligies.
So...are all the problems fixed on the Series X by now (driver animations at 30 fps, missing headlight shadows in races, no ambient occlusion, worse motion blur)?
Thanks DF, finally a relevant comparison about FH4 :). I had the chance to receive my Series X on 10th nov (France), but when I launched Forza Horizon 4 (which I used to plays dozens of hrs on One X quality mode), something appeared weird to me eyes, as if it was more "flat" visually... Here's the clear explanation . This new gen is deceptive, seems to already show its limitations on old gen games upgrades: that kind of graphic concession to allow 60 fps is too bad. And, in the case of Gears 5 for example, the visual were improved as it was already running at 60 on One X...
ONE X still kickin ass. I Think it will be worse in trully next gen games like it was after Xbox One premiere. Crossgen games look very good, had stable FPS (like Assassins Creed Black flag), but when AC Unity came out, XONE and PS4 cant handle new engine. Sry for my eng.
It has nothing do to with hardware limitations here. It's just a port and as a port, it relies on devs skills to exploit the potential of the hardware. Since Playground didn't work on those ports directly, i guess it's normal to see a difference. Just remember that it's just a port, a simple optimisation. They didn't redo the whole game for the Series S/X. There is no point in judging the console based on those ports. For example, Forza Horizon 3 is running at 30fps on Series X/S, not because the console can't handle it, but because the game received no optimisation. Previous gen games optimised for next-gen console will always depend of devs skills. The Series X is capable of better than that, same for the Series S.
Math seems easy to me, 4x the resolution but only 2x the GPU as Xbox one X. If I saw that correctly, Xbox one X performance mode was 1080p 60. Some concessions had to be made.
Not really effective to just add rt to a game that wasnt designed useing the system architecture or designed for use of RT You would end up with either really shit at that is lower resolution than just screen space Or the performance would be terrible There are alot of Dev tools and features deigned to alleviate stress from RT use however this game was not designed with those in might Just look at devil may cry next gen version as evidence of this The RT is complete garbage and the framrates are all over the place
@@marcuslightbody6933 I also thought the ray tracing in DMC 5 looked pretty bad. It just looks like Capcom littered the screen with puddles but I noticed there aren’t even reflections on some of them.
If you're a plebe like me and don't have a series x yet, getting an external ssd for your one x will improve load times substantially... Just a bit of solace for those still on the old generation.
The Thrustmaster TMX Pro wheel also does not work properly with the FH4 X/S update, it chatters uncontrollably anytime the wheel is off center. Forza support investigated and has confirmed the issue and say they are working on a fix.
Love DF as a news source for all games. But sometimes ya'll reach for straws on these things. No body is going to notice that 400% zoom of a distance quality or the frame dropping from 60 to 58 for a mere second.
People need to understand how important VRR is going to be this generation. Upgrade your TVs, or get a really solid monitor early next year. Frame tearing and drops will be expected the higher our FPS targets get to.
2 years on and still no SSAO on Xbox Series. They should keep the graphics toggle so we could choose between max quality at 30fps or balanced visuals at 60fps.
He said that the series S didn't seem to hit the advertised 1440p resolution. Everytime they have said they would say it's 1080p/1440p target. NEVER just ,1440p. Seems like he is misrepresenting what they said.
Imagine getting yours the day it releases and then jumping on a plane over seas for 2 weeks the very next day? That's my good and bad situation right now. 😀😡
This is crazy! Did we just witness the first ever Forza framerate drop? Forza has ALWAYS had locked framerates on console, whether it's 30 in Horizon or 60 in Motorsport (or Horizon 4 on One X). I know that Panic Button made the Series X|S port and not Playground/Turn 10, but it still really baffles me.
Yup. Basically all the issues that the series x version has can be blamed on playground games moreso that the Xbox itself. Would be interesting to see 120 fps 1080p, but I'm not sure if it's possible.
The new Xbox Series ports are not done by Turn 10, they are done by PanicButton Games. Send your findings to PanicButton, turn 10 does not deal with the Series X and S upgrades!
What's agonizing is that this game has those idiotic unskippable intro logos... so no matter how fast your drive is, you still have to wait for that bull**** to play x_x
@@PookaBot Aahhh flashbacks to max payne 3 hahaha, they should just ad those logos as billboards/signs in game if they want us to see those, do it in-game.
I can't help but think digital foundry is downplaying how the game looks on series x. Either that or my eyes are seeing something different than what they are seeing.
I think I will stick with my One X. Theres so many exclusives worth getting on PS5 I plan to make the jump to PS5. On the One X there's literally this and Gears of War. Gears of War did a superb job of 4K dynamic and I believe it managed 60fps too. So if I can get Gears 6 4K 60fps and HDR on the One X when it comes out I'm happy to stick with that and save £450 $499. Its not worth it to buy a new console for one game or maybe 2 with Ray Tracing. Il get the PS5 for third party games and exclusives and maybe PSVR 2 if it happens. I dont see the need in anybody with a One X to upgrade if you buy a PS5 unless your a hard-core Xbox gamer. By the way I'm not knocking the Xbox Series X it looks a beast but in perspective I couldn't justify the cost against my One X
Now that I have my Series X.. I have to say.. the 60fps does feel great.. but I wondered why I wasn't impressed with the graphics. This clarifies it. Thanks, Alex! Hopefully it'll get patched soon to take full advantage. Can we have ray tracing too please?
Interesting, it's like they took the performance mode, bumped the resolution up and some settings but they forgot others? One would think the series X has the power to run a mild AO sample at least.
Holy crap dude that game was so ahead of it’s time. I fired it up recently and even at 1080p it dunks on the majority of racing games today. A 4K60fps re-release would look incredible
@@0uttaS1TE What usually works in this case is complaining. However, the Forza Horizon fan is usually satisfied with too little, because "lulz free cars" and "virtually unplayable" meme when people report bugs/inaccuracies in cars. It's frustrating to be a fan of the game and notice that if you look closely it does fail to live up to its huge potential.
I came from running it on a GTX1080 at 4k60fps on (i think?) the 'high' preset, maybe having maxed the texture quality. I loaded it up on Series X and immediately noticed it didn't look quite as good, something was 'off'. At first I thought there was less dense ground clutter, or that the ground textures were lower. Now that you mention a lack of SSAO that's EXACTLY what the problem was that I couldn't quite nail down. I hope they add it in, the ground just looks really flat and almost 'pastel' without it!
The one thing i've noticed with having Horizon 4 on an SSD on my PC is when i play multiplayer, sure i load fast but i still have to wait for people with XBOX One's to load in lol
Hopefully they can improve a few of these issues. Seems they've just used the 60FPS from the One X and then ported that over while upping some settings.
Great video, as always! I'm very impatient to see some comparisons between PS5 and Xbox Series X for multiplatform games like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla! :D
In winter, what i found out is, the snow looks a bit too shiny in some cases on my Series S compared to the One X version. Best to see on the stones from the Windmill.
My biggest issue is the weird car bounce/lag that only occurs when drifting with other players, which has been an issue since the first Horizon. If that could be fixed then I'd be happy.
Man this game looks great. I played in Performance mode on the One X. 4K and the higher render distance just add so much to the experience. I am in awe, feels amazing to play.
I noticed on my one X that the stutters were usually in sync with the radio. I think it's an audio buffer issue with the engine as I've had other stutters where the announcer repeats them self several times too. Likely it's constantly polling the audio engine to keep songs in sync with chatter across all stations
Yep That put in evidence that Playground is very bussy with Fable and the next Horizon.... Hope that Panic Button fix the game, they are putting Playground's work in shame!
Yeah, I was expecting more. But I do think a lot of developers are on the ropes as no other generational transition has taken place during a time on global pandemic. I do feel like these first batch of patches do not really tell the whole story. Time will tell.
It's not just that there are caveats, but that the Series S appears to be worse off than the X1X. 1080p with worse textures, and this is an in-house developed last gen title simply getting prettied up for the new gen. That's fairly concerning.
@@instantstupor Ray Tracing really hurt the Series S version of the game. It should be an optional mode for that console. In really curious to see which console performs better running this game so I can buy it for my PS5 or Series X.
@1:41 you can't even see the lines in the back window on the one x. I know its because its in 1080p on the one x in performance mode. I wish they'd show 4k on one x and 4k on series x to see if there's any difference at all outside the framerate.
there's an old game that had ntoriously bad frame rate, some of it was fixed with patches but they did add an uncapped frame rate to lichdom battlemage. maybe try check that game out ? i will be doing my own on thursday.
My car drives at the speed of 60fps but I only move at 30fps. It's very frustrating trying to tell cops why I zoomed passed the red light light was because of lag.
Can someone tell Alex to please update his shot of the digital foundry Petreon? He still has odd world strangers wrath scrolling through as the top video, which, if i may say, I don’t believe is the greatest game to be selling people on “highest quality video downloads”
If Digital Playground get back with updates to your concerns like 30fps drivers, can you put info in the description instead of just social media? Viewers of the video won't find a single post after a time
Great video. FH4 looks stunning no matter what yhe review indicates though. I really like what IGN is doing now with their analysis of video games as DF does. However, what IGN is doing is one step forward to DF, is that they actually include an interview from the developer regarding the decision taken towards what was to be included or not on upgrading a game. That way, we as gamers have a better understanding on whether a patch ia expected to improve on the issues or not.
Last month I replaced my internal xbox one x hard drive to an ssd. I have forza 4 (using performance mode) installed on my internal ssd. Takes 26 seconds from press a to start title screen to load to current home screen.
For anyone who's still wondering, no they haven't fixed the issues mentioned in this video. It got a single update and hasn't been touched since.
Damn so this means you either need the PC version or have both a one X and a series X
@@fathersunglasses6085 , Series S and X are the inferior versions, neither were updated to fix the issues mentioned in this video.
@@themarauder6108 I mean own a series X for other games and a one x or pc for this
This guy thinks his menus are laggy on his xbox one x.... should watch it on my OG xbox one 😂
Bruh it literally runs at like 1 fuckin fps 😭
I just got the Series X after being on OG Xbox
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Monster Hunter actually opens in under 4 minutes now 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah the one x is a massive upgrade from OG, I know because I have both
I know right I have the OG Xbox one in the Xbox 1X and it difference is completely noticeable Xbox series X it completely different from the Xbox One X
@Haitian Xu true the PlayStation 4 store is laggy as fuk is always dashboarding you and crashing
Playground really should have done this update themselves rather than hiring a third party dev.
Well they're busy developing Fable and maybe FH5.
Me parece que esto pone en evidencia que Playground esta muy ocupado con Fable y FH5, pero viendo la bajada de calidad gráfica en algunas zonas me parece que hay parche inminente o Playground se encargara...
@@cimarcardozo855 why would you respond in Spanish after reading his comment in English and yes there is solid proof play ground is working on the new fable game and it's a safe assumption they working on horizon 5
all the common force feedback peripherals that many use with the game also now have various bugs, some large enough to render them unusable. so much for usb peripherals seamlessly transfering to the new console...
@@DeadPhoenix86DP I understand Spanish, so it’s fine. Think he just saw my last name. Not a big deal.
Your next-gen content is a joy to watch. Can’t wait for the AC and CoD analysis.
@@Kingofconsoles54 lol
Literally no one asked for this video. They have to upload actual next gen stuff.
@@Kingofconsoles54 who??
@@Kingofconsoles54 facts
@@Kingofconsoles54 what?😂😂
All the tests I've seen have them performing about the same. Besides there will be games where one loads two seconds faster and a slightly higher number in resolution. "Worse" is such a strong word. You make it sound like one runs at 1200p30 and another 4K60
Dont understand why night shadows and SSAO are disabled on xsx, its not a massive perormance killer. Digital foundry, could you please ask the devs about it. the missing Ssao and night shadows in rsces are very noticable for me when Im playing.
That hang up at 6:50 is a rare occurrence based on its 7 servers are 1 server system. You switched from one region to another but the new region I presume had a full lobby of higher ping players and the game pooped itself a little. More server side than game/console side. The servers for Horizon 4 are garbage after all
Yes most of the lags are normally due to online or OS activities for the game and not really HW related
Yeah. Great racing game. Awful online services. I have yet to finish any of the online activities, because I inevitably lose connection to the server before completing.
Yeah well don't presume. It even hangs offline.
I somehow doubt they were doing their analysis while doing an online game. You can easily play this game entirely offline.
I notice a freeze like that on xbox series S when I search for a horizon life session and when it connects you get a temporary freeze.
I moved from One S to Series X, the change is completely stunning !!
Absolutely! Changed from one s to series x and i'm stunned dude
Hell, it's even a nice step up from the 1X. It really surprised me.
Same! Just got mine in last night
Me too
About to do this too!
Can't wait for Horizon 5! Hopefully it's in Japan. They also have the 4 seasons and the mountain roads are like the ultimate dual roads ala initial D, tokyo drift :D Also very gorgeous
I just hope it's in a right driving country. I'm kinda sick of driving on the wrong side of the road unintentionally. So, no definitely not Japan, they already did that one.
That sounds chill man, driving in the country side, seasons like you said with cherry blossoms and fall colors broooo
My main hope is the map is at least 2 or 3 times the size for next gen.. don't see why it can't be , imagine having a massive tokyo style city with all the neon lights and then a huge open environment with mountains 😍
I was hoping for forza motorsport to launch this year so that we get a new horizon the year after, but looks like we are in for a long wait.
@@UmVtCg My dream is that the next Horizon is set in Germany/Switzerland.
You can drive from the black forest straight up into the Swiss alps and those beautiful roads where Hammon crashed the Rimac, and then descend into the valley with the air strip where they drag race hypercars. Lots of amazing driving roads and the autobahn running through half the map.
...And the piece de resistance: the public access nurburgring: the nurburgring where we can just drive onto it in online freeplay and race a van against a GT3 RS and thread through all the other players on the track. It's not _quite_ a conventional race-track so it doesn't break Playground's self-imposed rules about not including tracks in their maps and it'd be fucking cool.
NB: before anyone jumps in to tell me they've already done Europe: I know. I know they're not going to go with this. But it's my dream FH5 location so I get to choose.
FYI - they haven't done Japan before.
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Awesome. Looking forward to more series s and x comparisons, as well as PC settings
@DeathIsAGift In my country the Xbox series X is $650 !!!
@@abdullahayad6923 you are luckier than me still. here in turkey its $1000.
@DeathIsAGift you are completely missing the point
The main intention to compare with a pc is to know in which settings they are running and is there any limitations are there
Please a destiny 2 look
There's really nothing to compare. Pc always had the highest graphics and fps option available, as long as your hardware ain't shit that is
When do we get Valhalla PC vs Xbox Series X vs PS5? Cant wait for that video!! Great work as always!!
Don't forget Series S.
@Hannibal B totally agree! I want to know how these systems stack up against each other! Also ive heard AC runs at 60fps which is just amazing! Rtx 3090 cant lock 4k 60 so if these consoles are really pulling that off, it would be quite a feat!
It runs like garbage on every device. I'm used to it on PC but it stutters and tears on Xbox. This is the end of video games.
@Gaming With Ryan early word is that it might be optimized for amd platforms
@Gaming With Ryan Its beacuse they have the game on ultra settings and its a very demanding game
I love the fact that Digital Foundry has become the ultimate beta testers as they seem to find and point out all these little things which the devs may actually already know about but maybe didn't have time to implement before launching the product. Thankfully we live in an age of digital updates and many little things can be patched and fixed over time. At least the frame rate and resolution are solid right off the bad so it'll still be a joy to play the game.
Alex buddy, you've really gotta stop saying the full name of the console lol. Just say One X and Series X. Otherwise great analysis.
Yes
Soon enough, he’s gonna pronounce the trademark symbol
I was about to say this. You can literally say
Series X
Series S
One X
Or XSX
@@ANormalName. No.
Honestly, 99% of gamers won't even notice the issues that you pointed out. 4K 60 with way faster loading times in a gorgeous game like FH4 is spectacular!
I was thinking the same think we can't ask for everything in a backward compatible game
Lol 99% of gamers on internet notice everything apparently but still don’t know what they are talking about
Yeah I played this on one x and now on series x and Jesus it’s incredible upgrade. But now after mentions this.... I’m gonna box it up and return it... disgusting 58fps dip this one time... absolutely disgusting.
@@bravedwarf literally unplayable everyone cancel FH4
I don't think you are "reading" the timestamps correctly. The millisecond counts seem to be counting to 60 but you are reading them as a decimal point. At 4:13 you say 13:40 as "13.4" seconds but it's more like 13.67.
That's an interesting thing to point out. I've never actually seen milliseconds to be counted up to 60. I wonder if it's just a visual presentation thing on the video overlay here or DF's internal tools actually do count like that.
Technically, a millisecond is a 1000 of a second so it's always counted to 1000.
@@uzeeinc I think it must be a problem with the tool. A "mm:ss:msms" format just doesn't make sense. The ":" as a seperator is unusual, you would need 4 digits instead of 2 for ms and of course it wouldn't count to 60. It should be "mm:ss.##" with ## being the first two decimals for the seconds.
I noticed the same thing. To the point from @UzEEInc , in the video does show the last two digits counting from 0x to 5x and back to 0x, and it certainly shouldn't be read like a decimal number using the word 'point'.
We’ve only had Alex for a couple years but I now couldn’t imagine DF without him
Ghey
Of course, xbots always support each other LOL
@@nico5179 Imagine participating in a console war 🤡🤡
I'm personally not a fan. I love DF and always watch the videos but it's frustrating that Alex always highlights something so pointless like the 3fps dips that rarely ever happen and are barely noticeable in this video. He does usually go into a much deeper analysis than the other members of the team. But I guess it's all down to personal preference.
@@GaryMcAnim Yeah it’s really personal preference. I like that he goes into detail but I see why some would not.
Oh this explains so much! I was wondering why it looked kinda off as I've mostly played in the quality mode on One X. I really hope they improve it soon
It has better textures then quality mode on the x. And better draw distance.
@@paulerlingheuser8453 yeah but weirdly enough the draw distance on grass feels smaller and for some reason there isn't ambient occlusion?
Yea I'm still wondering if this has been fixed yet? Quality mode on one x looks better than series x and it shouldn't be this way.
@@fnsonicrick As far as I can tell it still hasn't. I wonder if there's some limitation with the gen9aware gdk (would be weird but these consoles can definitely include AO)
I know that most of the upgrades other than increased FPS are probably unnoticeable when I'm driving over 100 mph, but I still find all of this technical analysis fascinating!
Actually how faster you drive how much more noticeable it is because due to you driving in fast speeds the frames only render at 24fps so when you say 500feet every 2 seconds your game will be chopping those frames as 500:24~20:2=10 feet per frame while 60fps will get you 500:60~8:2=4 feet per frame. Would you want 10 feet per frame or rather 4 feet per frame?
And the difference increases exponentially too.
I just realized you said other then fps kill me now.
@@blazesmooth5573 where did you find this information that fh4 only renders at 24fps when your driving.
@@darkzer0455 I never said it does? I only gave a reference number to compare greater fps.
Still waiting for some definitive Series X|S review with Watch Dogs and AC Valhalla tested😏
I can tell you now valhalla on series x is a screen tearing mess unless you have a vrr tv.
And performance comparison between PS5 and XSX for those games. Interesting to see if Devil May Cry was a fluke with respect to XSX performance.
@@anthonyclayton8283 wow okay didn't really expect that.. new hardware I guess! Would like to see how all the new consoles stack up
@@anthonyclayton8283 noticing it too shit is annoying
@@anthonyclayton8283 Nice lie. I have no problem here.
One issue I had, was my old save game crashed everytime I reached the autumn transition when I tried it on my series X. I had to delete my cloud and local saves. That fixed the issue, and luckily I wasn’t very far along anyway.
I am stuck there right now on Series X on a new install and start. I haven't tried deleting saves yet, but that's a nasty bug.
Load it up on your last gen console or xcloud should transition seasons. Then you can load up on xbsx.
@@kden1327 that’s actually a pretty good idea. I’ll keep that in mind for next time if something like that comes up again :)
You can already get 60fps at 1080p with a mixture of High and Ultra settings using an old R9 380 4GB. Surprised that the Xbox Series S is only able to match that, but without any SSAO.
they want to give people a bigger reason to get the series x, so they dont use the series s to its full potential maybe? Or they neglect the Series S because they are so invested in the Series X competing with ps5? i dont know
Surprised? Really??
@@budgetking2591 yes you don’t know, Phil Spencer said he expects the Series S to sell better than Series X... why would they sabotage that?
@@budgetking2591 What full potencial? series S is what happens when you buy a new pc and pair it with a GT 710
With my old as fuck 965m i can play 35-40 fps ultra at 1080p. I dont understand how xbox s cant handle really
Good timing. Love me a bit of Digital Foundry while I eat my dinner.
Haha I know what you mean! ^^
Same but when I'm having a shit
It's 1 for me?
@@The_Mad_King_Aerys Haha I know what you mean! ^^
its coffee in the morning for me hahaha
Thanks for the analysis! I was playing this last night on my Series X. It is phenomenal. The load time improvements are everything I could have asked for.
Playing Watchdogs on my Series X vs playing it on my One X is like night and day. The game look and run great.
@@chickmagnetwampaone Awesome! Other games I've been giving a go are:
AC Valhalla - looks great and plays great, but stutters in cut scenes for some reason
Shadow of War - loading is hugely improved
Snake Pass - Silly and fun game, but the load times don't seem improved much
That's all I've had time for so far. I'm definitely happy with the system.
Loading times are great, on average fast traveling was taking me a maximum of 2 seconds on the series X compared with probably 10 times that on my One X even on a SSD.
I suspect a lot of legacy games are going to get multiple generations of upgrade patches for the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S. Publishers have a deep interest in making the games attractive to new console buyer ASAP, so they'll make incremental upgrades to their existing IPs until it's no longer deemed as producing positive ROI. 2021 will be the year of the upgrade patch while the senior teams develop entirely new IPs.
Can you please do AC: Valhalla, Watchdogs Legion and Godfall PC vs Console settings comparison?
Yes im highly interested in that! I wonder what resolution AC Valhalla is running at on the consoles, various sources conflict each other in that lol.
For Watch Dogs Legion, I did some comparisons and found out the texture quality is set to medium, Headlight shadows appear to be off and shadow quality should be Ultra (on Series X, idk about Series S) due to enabled contact shadows. RT should be below medium as some reflections are missing. I'm sure Alex will find out a lot more cool stuff though.
Yes, this please!
They said they havent got AC yet but will be doing it. Just have to be patient.
Maybe if you're a good boy this year
@@dampflokfreund gotta be something wrong with your analysis, there’s just zero chance next gen Watch Dogs versions use medium textures with the amount of RAM available
AC Valhalla & WD Legion - PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S
They should a Xbox Series X|S vs PS5 vs PC.
They said on Twitter that they don't have the games on PS5 yet
@@Joaquincastellan
Including AC Valhalla
That one is quite a looker
@@Joaquincastellan did you hear? they're both NEW games
@Jeric White
I can't even take you seriously calling Valhalla shit. You're a clown.
Thank you for this. I knew something wasn’t right visually. I just couldn’t pick it out. The shadows, I definitely saw. I didn’t catch the ambient occlusion missing, nor the characters animating at half frame rate. So hopefully they fix these. There is no way the new machine can’t run it at 60 frames per second with these things present... or maybe it’s something with the engine. But if the PC can do it at ultra with a 2080, the series X should be able to do it the same. It just might need more optimization. Let’s hope it was just some sort of glitch or something they missed in translation. Cause it’s funny, because something seemed off to me and I couldn’t place it. Definitely the ambient occlusion would make a huge difference along with the shadows. There is also some sort of lighting glitch and I can’t place what that is. I notice it when I rotate the camera, especially through trees. It seems like there are light flashes. I don’t know what that is. Maybe you guys have a better idea.
I was playing FH4 on 2060 in 4k@Ultra@60FPS :)
Same here :(
Well were over a month down the line and the missing effects on series X still havent been fixed no ambient occlusion etc and that's with DF reaching out to the developer I wouldn't mind but theres been two patches since release of series x patch 🤷♂️
Most people aren’t complaining about it. If anything people are praising it. So it may never get fixed which is a shame. I literally stopped playing after updating from the one x
Hey man, everything has been added back in, and the headlight shadows are back too. Dont worry
@@monarchu I hope this is true. Will be redownloading to verify. What I care most about is SSAO.
@@monarchu wasted my time redownloading over your false information.
@@monarchu yeah I last had a update a week ago and nothing has been added back in that I can see SSAO is still missing which is the biggest thing for me so don't know why you've posted false information
Super disappointing to hear it's basically performance mode in 4k... Rather than quality mode at 60fps...
I totally agree. The game sucks now for me. Graphics are a huge part of the magic of this game
Nah. It's pretty much quality mode. 4 k textures and draw distances and that's all you really need
@@paulerlingheuser8453 except for the crappy shadows & ambient occlusion missing...
@@nodowt That's not something that occurs often. It's a damn one-off.
@@nodowt Pretty sure you would have never noticed that without a DF video with 400% zoom here and there... I love DF but sometimes it's a brainwashing for such a slight difference. Also, stop talking like having 60fps instead of 30 is nothing, it's everything
I never played the One X version of FH4. I'm playing it now for the first time on my Series X and noticed a big update after the initial install. Being that I never saw any previous versions of this game, I thought it looked flawless and didn't notice any of the things pointed out here. I feel like after watching this now i'm going to go back into into the game possibly noticing them, lol! But I do understand where the improvements could've been made. I appreciate these kinds of analisis. Shows developers that issues don't go unnoticed no matter how minor they are. The resources are there. Use them to the best of their abilities.
Forza Horizon 4 is the BEST racing game I've ever played. Can't wait to play it again on Series X.
Worst car sounds ever though
Ya dude I agree. Can’t wait for a true next gen forza horizon game
yeah is a great game, but gran turismo is better. and this is no hate towards xbox. but Forza has some small things that make it a bit less. Sounds from cars, cars don't seem to touch the ground, making handeling a bit weird. but still a cool game I like ti play regularly
@@JunkieVirus GT hasn’t been better than Forza since the mid 2000s
I have been playing it for the last two days and is awesome. Specially the loading times.
XVA is not just tractor compression.
It's using a virtual 100gb ram disk whether textures are loaded in on a per slice per frame basis
Even an RX5700XT, which is inferior to the XSX gpu level, is able to run FH4 at perfectly solid 4K60fps on ultra settings. My theory here is that the game is still running in backwards compatibility mode, so they cant still make use of RDNA2 IPC improvements, i think that it's literally emulating GCN behaviour. The game shouldn't be announced as an X|S optimized in this state.
My theory here is they couldn’t optimize the game for something the Series S can’t do and it’s holding back the Series X as a result
@@thenoobperspective7588That's not right, the game have sligh fps drops on race starting scenes, which means that it's also hitting performance limitations on XSX, this game is still running in BC mode, just with a new settings tweak.
@@jotawayhijo That’s probably due to the high polygon close ups of the cars running at Native 4K. It certainly isn’t well optimized, but it’s not running in “BC mode”, this is a native port.
Coming here after 3 years, have they updated any of these things you've mentioned?
Can you do a No Mans Sky analysis on Series X? I installed the update, and have to say it still suffers from really bad pop in.
That game will always suffer from pop in no matter how good your rig is. That’s just the way it’s procedural generation works
Its because of the slow SSD from the SX. On PS5 pop ups dont exist.
@@hiwasgeht7945 uh-huh
@@brancolt_ lol
@@hiwasgeht7945 yours brick yet bruh?
So one of the weirder details is the shadow inconsistency in the Series X version. For almost every single race the dynamic shadows are turned off...except I noticed in the stunt events it's fully active. This incurred no performance hits either so my feeling is this was kept as is on the one x because of an oversight. I would hope they patch it back in as it adds a ton to when you are driving around the world at night. The atmosphere is excellent.
Thanks for this video. When i was playing on my Series S i noticed that the night didn't look as pretty as in some videos of the One X but i wasn't sure why. Now i can see that the lack of shadows at night was the issue.I really hope that they add those shadows for the Series S :(
Last time I played it was on Xbox One S until yesterday on my new Series X. It's a different game, 4K/60 and with this beautiful setting is jaw-dropping.
ForzaM 7 gets an auto hardware upscale and looks really good. It's a shame it's now abandonware and has had no updates in over 18 months.
I’ve just upgraded from my Megadrive to an Xbox Series X and the difference is amazing!
There's more games on the megadrive.
Is a great game, but this downgrade on night shadows and SSAO is sad.
6:30
The "one off drop" happened to me multiple times. I found that it might have something to do with server connection as it only happened when I was on a full server and a few minutes away from a Forzathon event but happened three times or so since playing on release day
Yeah, the servers can screw your gameplay.
Some peoples have Seriex X and yet no one tested Ryse Son of Rome.
It would be locked perforce
i not a part of free upgrade.. since some xbox one game are not... sleeping dogs also not functional and fallout 4 still not get upgrade..
Damn, one of the features i love in Quality Mode on the X1X is the car light shadow, i really hope Panic Button fix it on the XSX in races, same for SSAO, otherwise i'll stick to my PC when playing FH4, when i get XSX.
So by your logic:
Headlight shadows during a race > 60fps & improved texture filtering Wtf????
Edit: THEY MEANT PC APPARENTLY ^^^
hang on... you'll play in 30fps, with lower res textures, double the load times... for some ambient occlusion and headlight shadows in races?
Same ill stick to my pc version with everything on at 60fps lol
@@xAKIMBOCURLYx Oh I meant PC, sorry for the confusion.
@@Scalene_2 One of the features i love to do in FH4 is to take some really beautiful shots, so yeah I prefer the first option in that case. But what I meant to say is PC not X1X, my apoligies.
So...are all the problems fixed on the Series X by now (driver animations at 30 fps, missing headlight shadows in races, no ambient occlusion, worse motion blur)?
Nope
Thanks DF, finally a relevant comparison about FH4 :). I had the chance to receive my Series X on 10th nov (France), but when I launched Forza Horizon 4 (which I used to plays dozens of hrs on One X quality mode), something appeared weird to me eyes, as if it was more "flat" visually... Here's the clear explanation . This new gen is deceptive, seems to already show its limitations on old gen games upgrades: that kind of graphic concession to allow 60 fps is too bad. And, in the case of Gears 5 for example, the visual were improved as it was already running at 60 on One X...
ONE X still kickin ass. I Think it will be worse in trully next gen games like it was after Xbox One premiere. Crossgen games look very good, had stable FPS (like Assassins Creed Black flag), but when AC Unity came out, XONE and PS4 cant handle new engine. Sry for my eng.
I don't notice that at all.
It has nothing do to with hardware limitations here. It's just a port and as a port, it relies on devs skills to exploit the potential of the hardware. Since Playground didn't work on those ports directly, i guess it's normal to see a difference. Just remember that it's just a port, a simple optimisation. They didn't redo the whole game for the Series S/X. There is no point in judging the console based on those ports. For example, Forza Horizon 3 is running at 30fps on Series X/S, not because the console can't handle it, but because the game received no optimisation. Previous gen games optimised for next-gen console will always depend of devs skills. The Series X is capable of better than that, same for the Series S.
So disaponting to see the headlight cast shadows NOT showing... matter of fact I expected those kind of effects to be real time hardware ray trayced!
2:08 Same image quality? Series S looks inferior doesn't it?
Series S uses the One S version of the game and enhances upon it.
It does use the higher detailed car models
That would be the case if it were running through backwards compatibility. This is a port to both the Series X and S
This game is specifically optimized for Series S and X, not running the One/One X version
wrong
“The quadrupling of pixels is very obvious.”
Me on my phone: “I’ll just take your word for that, friend.”
You guys are on fire cranking out these videos, we love it but remember to eat and sleep!
Math seems easy to me, 4x the resolution but only 2x the GPU as Xbox one X. If I saw that correctly, Xbox one X performance mode was 1080p 60. Some concessions had to be made.
You know there is an overwhelming amount of work when Alex switch to console coverage ! No RT even !
Not really effective to just add rt to a game that wasnt designed useing the system architecture or designed for use of RT
You would end up with either really shit at that is lower resolution than just screen space
Or the performance would be terrible
There are alot of Dev tools and features deigned to alleviate stress from RT use however this game was not designed with those in might
Just look at devil may cry next gen version as evidence of this
The RT is complete garbage and the framrates are all over the place
Marcus Lightbody They just mean that Alex likes RT. It’s unusual for Alex to cover a console game at all, let alone one without RT.
@@kebbinator ahhh ok hahah
@@marcuslightbody6933 I also thought the ray tracing in DMC 5 looked pretty bad. It just looks like Capcom littered the screen with puddles but I noticed there aren’t even reflections on some of them.
If you're a plebe like me and don't have a series x yet, getting an external ssd for your one x will improve load times substantially... Just a bit of solace for those still on the old generation.
so you need to zoom 400% to see the resolution differente, I guess I will go with the Series S.
The Thrustmaster TMX Pro wheel also does not work properly with the FH4 X/S update, it chatters uncontrollably anytime the wheel is off center. Forza support investigated and has confirmed the issue and say they are working on a fix.
Love DF as a news source for all games. But sometimes ya'll reach for straws on these things. No body is going to notice that 400% zoom of a distance quality or the frame dropping from 60 to 58 for a mere second.
Bro this is literally there one job to point those things out
Pretty minor nitpicking, I know, but 11:53 does not equal 11.5 seconds, Alex. That's not how counting time works :p
People need to understand how important VRR is going to be this generation.
Upgrade your TVs, or get a really solid monitor early next year. Frame tearing and drops will be expected the higher our FPS targets get to.
Is the lg nanocell good
I still don't know what it is
@@manakmishra Variable Refresh Rate
2 years on and still no SSAO on Xbox Series. They should keep the graphics toggle so we could choose between max quality at 30fps or balanced visuals at 60fps.
30fps animations in a 60fps game can be very distracting. I remember it sticking out in Halo 5 and it looked terrible.
Not played Halo 5. Curious to know what was it in that game?
@@DeadPhoenix86DP It HAS 60fps animations in PC.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP I did. Nothing has changed
He said that the series S didn't seem to hit the advertised 1440p resolution. Everytime they have said they would say it's 1080p/1440p target. NEVER just ,1440p. Seems like he is misrepresenting what they said.
While that is true, I think people were expecting 1440p from the Series S here since it’s a brand new console and this is a last gen game.
You can REALLY tell when you're playing online with an Xbox player. Waiting for them to load is painfully long.
Xbox One player, Xbox Series player will most certainly load in before you
You are measuring time in frames, but call 11:50 11.5 seconds. It is actually a lot closer to 12 seconds. 50/60 should not be called .5
I currently can't get my hands on a Series X due to it being sold out everywhere so what am I doing? Torturing myself with videos like these 🙃
I drove to the other side of my city (Perth Australia) to give a dude $1300 to buy the series X. Goodbye savings
@@ApEx_Ether I did tht too payed too high so I could get it right now! lol couldn’t wait till next year .
@@ApEx_Ether if you think getting it a couple of months earlier is worth AU$550 then thats on you lol but damn!
Imagine getting yours the day it releases and then jumping on a plane over seas for 2 weeks the very next day? That's my good and bad situation right now. 😀😡
come to asia coz no one buy xbox here every one prefer ps5.
This is crazy! Did we just witness the first ever Forza framerate drop? Forza has ALWAYS had locked framerates on console, whether it's 30 in Horizon or 60 in Motorsport (or Horizon 4 on One X).
I know that Panic Button made the Series X|S port and not Playground/Turn 10, but it still really baffles me.
Hmm, I'm sure they'll patch it, sounds like they started with the old oneX 60fps version as a base.
Yup. Basically all the issues that the series x version has can be blamed on playground games moreso that the Xbox itself. Would be interesting to see 120 fps 1080p, but I'm not sure if it's possible.
@@joechinchar9833 If your TV can take it, this system'll do it.
The new Xbox Series ports are not done by Turn 10, they are done by PanicButton Games. Send your findings to PanicButton, turn 10 does not deal with the Series X and S upgrades!
I gotta get me that ssd nvme for my pc, that "need to restart game" after fiddling around the settings is killing me hahaha.
What's agonizing is that this game has those idiotic unskippable intro logos... so no matter how fast your drive is, you still have to wait for that bull**** to play x_x
@@PookaBot Aahhh flashbacks to max payne 3 hahaha, they should just ad those logos as billboards/signs in game if they want us to see those, do it in-game.
So, can FH4 run at 4K@120fps? I thought that all the bells and whistles about new consoles was 120fps gaming
Definitely not! Marketing ploy to trick casual gamers.
“4K AT 120fps”... load of rubbish... more like 4k @ 60fps with medium-high settings
@@GoYourOwnWay86 that sucks. I'm happy I've decided to build a PC instead of getting either of the 'next' gen systems
I can't help but think digital foundry is downplaying how the game looks on series x. Either that or my eyes are seeing something different than what they are seeing.
SONY MONEY....
Same here
I think I will stick with my One X. Theres so many exclusives worth getting on PS5 I plan to make the jump to PS5. On the One X there's literally this and Gears of War. Gears of War did a superb job of 4K dynamic and I believe it managed 60fps too. So if I can get Gears 6 4K 60fps and HDR on the One X when it comes out I'm happy to stick with that and save £450 $499. Its not worth it to buy a new console for one game or maybe 2 with Ray Tracing. Il get the PS5 for third party games and exclusives and maybe PSVR 2 if it happens. I dont see the need in anybody with a One X to upgrade if you buy a PS5 unless your a hard-core Xbox gamer. By the way I'm not knocking the Xbox Series X it looks a beast but in perspective I couldn't justify the cost against my One X
@@djg3906 and who asked?
@@jatnierdorta you have the same energy with the statement of Jim Ryan? 3 years of support and games for the PS4.
Remember: HAVE THE SAME ENERGY
Now that I have my Series X.. I have to say.. the 60fps does feel great.. but I wondered why I wasn't impressed with the graphics. This clarifies it. Thanks, Alex! Hopefully it'll get patched soon to take full advantage. Can we have ray tracing too please?
I'm just impressed by how he was able to constantly say the names of each xbox without messing up
he is a pc gamer :)))) intel pls stop...
Interesting, it's like they took the performance mode, bumped the resolution up and some settings but they forgot others? One would think the series X has the power to run a mild AO sample at least.
Not about the system, about the initial programming of the game. Could cause other errors.
One could only imagine how Driveclub looks in 4k 60fps.
Holy crap dude that game was so ahead of it’s time. I fired it up recently and even at 1080p it dunks on the majority of racing games today. A 4K60fps re-release would look incredible
Graphically overrated...
@@nightdriver7216 Forza didn’t even match its level of fidelity until Horizon 3 years later, so I think not.
@@0uttaS1TE What usually works in this case is complaining. However, the Forza Horizon fan is usually satisfied with too little, because "lulz free cars" and "virtually unplayable" meme when people report bugs/inaccuracies in cars. It's frustrating to be a fan of the game and notice that if you look closely it does fail to live up to its huge potential.
I came from running it on a GTX1080 at 4k60fps on (i think?) the 'high' preset, maybe having maxed the texture quality. I loaded it up on Series X and immediately noticed it didn't look quite as good, something was 'off'. At first I thought there was less dense ground clutter, or that the ground textures were lower. Now that you mention a lack of SSAO that's EXACTLY what the problem was that I couldn't quite nail down. I hope they add it in, the ground just looks really flat and almost 'pastel' without it!
The one thing i've noticed with having Horizon 4 on an SSD on my PC is when i play multiplayer, sure i load fast but i still have to wait for people with XBOX One's to load in lol
That is rather maddening.
Hopefully they can improve a few of these issues. Seems they've just used the 60FPS from the One X and then ported that over while upping some settings.
Great video, as always! I'm very impatient to see some comparisons between PS5 and Xbox Series X for multiplatform games like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla! :D
In winter, what i found out is, the snow looks a bit too shiny in some cases on my Series S compared to the One X version. Best to see on the stones from the Windmill.
The Microsoft console naming department needs firing.
Oh, so changing a number in PS4 to PS5 is a genius move?
@@John-Spartan "B-but Sony!"
@@John-Spartan I think we both know it is.
@@davidupton73 I really hope you are joking. Nobody can be this dumb.
My biggest issue is the weird car bounce/lag that only occurs when drifting with other players, which has been an issue since the first Horizon.
If that could be fixed then I'd be happy.
Man this game looks great. I played in Performance mode on the One X. 4K and the higher render distance just add so much to the experience.
I am in awe, feels amazing to play.
I noticed on my one X that the stutters were usually in sync with the radio. I think it's an audio buffer issue with the engine as I've had other stutters where the announcer repeats them self several times too. Likely it's constantly polling the audio engine to keep songs in sync with chatter across all stations
I’m in love with the Xbox Series consoles and I don’t even have one yet 😭
Feel you my brotha 😐
I feel sorry for you
Damn I'm still on my one s
I'm in love with my next girlfriend, and I don't even have one yet
@v cam god you people are so annoying
Dev Teams must shit themselves when they see their game on your channel being reviewed by Sherlock Holmes.
Who made the port was an third party studio... hope they fix it, really lazy port.
Yep
That put in evidence that Playground is very bussy with Fable and the next Horizon....
Hope that Panic Button fix the game, they are putting Playground's work in shame!
@Michael Silva I love your photo xD
I’m honestly surprised the port is lacking in some aspects because Panic Button are MASTERS when it comes to porting games to the Nintendo Switch.
What is with this new thing of putting the newer/better footage on the LEFT?? Old footage on the left pls, new/updated on the RIGHT!
Starting off the generation with caveats has me concerned. To be fair, the cross gen period is always shaky.
Yea. We won't see unreal engine 5 demo kind of graphics any time soon. Same goes for a DLSS-like upsampling.
Yeah, I was expecting more. But I do think a lot of developers are on the ropes as no other generational transition has taken place during a time on global pandemic. I do feel like these first batch of patches do not really tell the whole story. Time will tell.
It's not just that there are caveats, but that the Series S appears to be worse off than the X1X. 1080p with worse textures, and this is an in-house developed last gen title simply getting prettied up for the new gen. That's fairly concerning.
you must be new to console releases
@@instantstupor Ray Tracing really hurt the Series S version of the game. It should be an optional mode for that console. In really curious to see which console performs better running this game so I can buy it for my PS5 or Series X.
@1:41 you can't even see the lines in the back window on the one x. I know its because its in 1080p on the one x in performance mode. I wish they'd show 4k on one x and 4k on series x to see if there's any difference at all outside the framerate.
there's an old game that had ntoriously bad frame rate, some of it was fixed with patches but they did add an uncapped frame rate to lichdom battlemage. maybe try check that game out ? i will be doing my own on thursday.
Tell us what game
In John's PS5 UI video, he showed that he has that game installed on his unit, so it's a definite possibility.
@@dazza2350 Lichdom Battlemage, it's a spell casting fps combat game it's currently on sale for less then 1.50 on ps4
My car drives at the speed of 60fps but I only move at 30fps. It's very frustrating trying to tell cops why I zoomed passed the red light light was because of lag.
They had one job. Get One X quality mode running at 60fps. If they couldn't make that happen in first party, something is VERY wrong with Series X.
It is concerning
Hopefully they will fix those visual settings. It really makes no sense for the quality to be worse than on the One X.
This man is an absolute WIZARD when it comes to analysing gameplay. Wow! Blows my mind what he notices. Legend!
Can someone tell Alex to please update his shot of the digital foundry Petreon? He still has odd world strangers wrath scrolling through as the top video, which, if i may say, I don’t believe is the greatest game to be selling people on “highest quality video downloads”
That ForzaTech engine is so cool. Wish more engines were that optimized.
If Digital Playground get back with updates to your concerns like 30fps drivers, can you put info in the description instead of just social media? Viewers of the video won't find a single post after a time
Great video. FH4 looks stunning no matter what yhe review indicates though. I really like what IGN is doing now with their analysis of video games as DF does. However, what IGN is doing is one step forward to DF, is that they actually include an interview from the developer regarding the decision taken towards what was to be included or not on upgrading a game. That way, we as gamers have a better understanding on whether a patch ia expected to improve on the issues or not.
Last month I replaced my internal xbox one x hard drive to an ssd. I have forza 4 (using performance mode) installed on my internal ssd. Takes 26 seconds from press a to start title screen to load to current home screen.
I would really like to see Japan, Africa and Argentina in next Horizon games.
the team had limited ablity to made place... they still made more for 4.. so this going to be awhile.. at least free upgrade for it so i was happy..
No 120hz mode tested? The monster important feature in the whole console