Forza Motorsport on Xbox Series X/S: The Digital Foundry Tech Review

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @TenCoNesnasiGoogl
    @TenCoNesnasiGoogl Год назад +50

    Just a tiny bit of clarification. The crowds are less dense when driving in practice session compared to the actual race session. Just like in real life more people will come to the actual race and skip the practice.

  • @LatinLegacyNY
    @LatinLegacyNY Год назад +360

    What Turn 10 was able to do with the Xbox One hardware was nothing short of amazing. Even with all of the sacrifices, the game still looks superb six years later.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare Год назад +33

      I was actually comparing FM7 a little over a year ago on my oled TV running on a PC at native 4K maxed out, it looked a bit better than GT7 on my PS5.
      Looking forward to checking this one out when it comes out for sure.

    • @robertlawrence9000
      @robertlawrence9000 Год назад +1

      @@TerraWare 🤡

    • @there-is-no-handle-available0
      @there-is-no-handle-available0 Год назад +51

      That's not explaining it well enough, sure FM7 looks terrible compared to FM8/Forza Motorsport, but the fact that Turn 10 managed to get FM7 run at native 1080p 60FPS WITH MSAA on the OG Xbox One is nothing short of amazing, same with The Coalition's Gears 4 and 5. That console generation had very underpowered CPUs, yet these two studios did it, somehow.

    • @outdoorsjoe
      @outdoorsjoe Год назад +7

      Yep and they said that was only using 70% of the One X's power.

    • @helloguy8934
      @helloguy8934 Год назад +8

      ​@@outdoorsjoeUh. Ok

  • @aaralynhall
    @aaralynhall Год назад +27

    Having reserved my judgment until I actually played the game… I gotta say it’s pretty incredible. I’m having a fantastic time. The tracks are pretty immersive as well.

    • @theone2be33
      @theone2be33 Год назад +4

      You're one in a million then. I cannot agree

    • @FormulaProg
      @FormulaProg Год назад

      Lol on a controller I bet

    • @PhyrexJ
      @PhyrexJ Год назад

      One in a million? Dont be so dramatic. A lot of people like the game, get off your high horse@@theone2be33

  • @crestofhonor2349
    @crestofhonor2349 Год назад +127

    I'd love to see a comparison between GT7 and Forza now that both are out on their current gen consoles. Similar to how it was done with GT Sport and FM7 a few years back. Would love to see the video in HDR again as usual because that looked incredible

    • @mtdubdachamp6917
      @mtdubdachamp6917 Год назад +15

      The HDR is probably sexy as hell in this game. My buddy just got his series X so I will be going to see for myself 😂.

    • @thanksbetotap
      @thanksbetotap Год назад +12

      John already said he’s going to make one (in November)!

    • @allaboutmicrosoft8807
      @allaboutmicrosoft8807 Год назад +1

      there is one on the ign channel

    • @allaboutmicrosoft8807
      @allaboutmicrosoft8807 Год назад +6

      @MicheleKalina704 what? There is a comparsion Video on ign for Gt7 and forza

    • @stevejohnson8994
      @stevejohnson8994 Год назад +24

      ​@MicheleKalina704Unsurprising someone from IGN is spewing fanboy BS

  • @b4ttlemast0r
    @b4ttlemast0r Год назад +165

    They definitely need to give the option for full RT reflections in the PC version

    • @hdhdhhehe6709
      @hdhdhhehe6709 Год назад +10

      The main takeaway is that no racing game will EVER be able to compete with Gran Turismo…. The power of PS5 tech is just too complex yet streamlined to replicate.

    • @WLLM1
      @WLLM1 Год назад +90

      @@hdhdhhehe6709 What in the hell are you talking about?

    • @hdhdhhehe6709
      @hdhdhhehe6709 Год назад +7

      @@WLLM1 sorry man. Your chose the losing side. Forza will always be inferior

    • @willuigi64
      @willuigi64 Год назад +52

      @@hdhdhhehe6709 What the hell are you gabbing about?

    • @hdhdhhehe6709
      @hdhdhhehe6709 Год назад +7

      @@willuigi64 Your tombstone: “here lies Xbot, never got to play Gran Turismo!”

  • @blessedred
    @blessedred Год назад +167

    RTAO seems to dramatically improve visuals on the game. Good to see them using it.

    • @Zeryth960
      @Zeryth960 Год назад +22

      that's because it seems like instead of RTAO the other option is no AO at all.

    • @originalityisdead.9513
      @originalityisdead.9513 Год назад +6

      ​@Zeryth960
      Like how games with RT Shadows tend to have absolutely obysmal shadows unless you use RT shadows compared to one's that don't have RT as an option.

    • @Zeryth960
      @Zeryth960 Год назад +6

      @@originalityisdead.9513 seems like it yeah, or RT reflections vs no reflections or just cubemaps.

    • @Samurasa.
      @Samurasa. Год назад +3

      RTAO is Ray tracing?

    • @Khn90
      @Khn90 Год назад

      It's too expensive, tho.

  • @Blizniak666
    @Blizniak666 Год назад +262

    Great work. I really enjoyed the detailed comparison with Forza 7 as it really showcases what's actually changed generation to generation.

    • @eSKAone-
      @eSKAone- Год назад +13

      Can't wait for the comparison to GT7 💟🌌☮️

    • @THU31
      @THU31 Год назад +17

      I feel like there was a bigger difference between FM2, 3 and 4 just on Xbox 360, than between 7 and "8". Diminishing returns are definitely hitting hard.
      I'm still excited to play, I'm definitely hungry for a track racing game. But just looking at the previews, I'm not really seeing a "next-gen" game six years in the making.

    • @electus1
      @electus1 Год назад

      @THU31 It's more about physics for me. I can't wait to try them out. Yes, they have more GPU grunt to work with in order to make it look a little more pretty, but they are really trying to take advantage of the improved CPUs.

    • @thatsjustprime8096
      @thatsjustprime8096 Год назад

      ​@@THU31Same here, but at least the foliage looks better🤔🤣🤣

    • @TaIIer
      @TaIIer Год назад +1

      @@THU31because the graphical leap between Xbox 360 to Xbox One was very noticeable compared to the graphical standard we have now. That’s why game companies focus more on Frame Rate and Ray Tracing instead of Ultra Real graphics.

  • @aviownzlol
    @aviownzlol Год назад +24

    5:20, worth mentioning Gran turismo started every car model from scratch for GT Sport (with future gens in mind) while Forza is still using some car models which are 18 years old! Take a look at the R32 Skyline and its really lacking detail and even the shape is wrong. The new Forza models for this game do look good though, shame they didn't scrap more of these older model for a re-scan.

    • @ArturKwaszyn
      @ArturKwaszyn Год назад

      Because they don't care. It's in gamepass anyway, so they don't feel the need to care and push limits.

  • @willuigi64
    @willuigi64 Год назад +21

    I'm sure it looks a lot better in hdr, but the color grading here is just a tad flat. I find this to look a lot better than FM7. Materials, image stability, features, but the drop in clarity to fix up specular and instability with TAA rather than MSAA is not a strict upgrade. It makes a lot of sense seeing as basically this game's entire graphical goal was to improve materials.

    • @flyingplantwhale545
      @flyingplantwhale545 Год назад +2

      Go back and check out the reveal trailer. This looks NOTHING like what we were shown back there. A massive downgrade, not only in lighting but straight up missing or heavily downgraded world assets.

    • @zuraidey
      @zuraidey Год назад

      GT7 using MSAA or TAA?

  • @Gkhn32
    @Gkhn32 Год назад +76

    I agree with Oliver on almost all the improvements in a technical perspective... but in terms of art, colors, contrast - it looks like a significant step back from the prior games. It has that hazy look with elevated blacks. Not a fan of it. To be clear, a lot of times I preffered the visuals of FM 7 in this footage. Maybe because of youtube compression and "watching it, not playing it" plays a role here but either way contrast definitely seems off !

    • @DuckAlertBeats
      @DuckAlertBeats Год назад +23

      It looks way off, you're not alone

    • @jerchongkong5387
      @jerchongkong5387 Год назад +1

      Practically, this Forza has a greater dynamic range in terms of image (you can see more details in the lights and shadows), and I've noticed that the desaturation effect occurs on some tracks. This can be easily fixed or it might be an intentional artistic choice.

    • @retrogamer64007
      @retrogamer64007 Год назад +1

      That's due to performance RT. Play in performance only

    • @Sheen334
      @Sheen334 Год назад +1

      He played the game with a bug that affected the colour gamut. I thought DF would have come out and admitted their mistake by now.

    • @NagatoYuk1
      @NagatoYuk1 Год назад +1

      i guess it's the compression, but overall the colors are more realistic. Depends on that you are looking to into a game

  • @shiru8bit
    @shiru8bit Год назад +88

    I kinda prefer the 7 looks, despite of less complex geometry and not so advanced lighting. It looks bright, shiny, and lively, and the latest one is just flat and boring to my eye.

    • @FarmYardGaming
      @FarmYardGaming Год назад +2

      7 was my least favourite, it didn't look as lively to my eyes as anything from Motorsport 3 onwards and everything felt either exaggerated or underdone

    • @UltraCasualPenguin
      @UltraCasualPenguin Год назад +1

      Maybe try FM5/6 instead. Clear, sharp visuals. No realistic nonsense.

    • @robertlawrence9000
      @robertlawrence9000 Год назад +2

      Yeah those road and grass textures surely took a hit. I wonder if they have any moving detailed grass like they have in GT7.

    • @HaloXeon
      @HaloXeon Год назад +1

      I didn't enjoy 7, but the visuals weren't the problem. However, I'm concerned how frequently I prefer how 7 looks in comparison. The new reflections are distractingly low res.

    • @Episode_13
      @Episode_13 Год назад +1

      No it doesn't. It's time of day dude. Jesus.

  • @diefontanelle1468
    @diefontanelle1468 Год назад +79

    Maybe I'm just blind, but sometimes I think that the predecessor looks better or that the graphical leap isn't that big

    • @YGTVYassirsGamingTechVlogs31
      @YGTVYassirsGamingTechVlogs31 Год назад +8

      I was thinking the same thing! The track textures seem to look better to my eye in FM7 and a good number of the cars too. I o love the new vegetation and lighting enhancements but I was really expecting more along the lines of their 2022 preview footage. I was thinking of getting on Xbox but might get on pc to try to get more out of it visually

    • @eventhori3on
      @eventhori3on Год назад +6

      I agree.. and apparently on PC the aliasing is terrible compared to horizon 5 and the mirrors are really low Res!
      And is it me but I have had enough of this realism crap! It's a game I like saturated colours and contrast and to be able to see! I mean I play iracing and that game looks like crap in general but it's the feeling and gameplay that matters! Ray tracing is just the latest buzz word and it's just pointless.. like 3D TVs back in the day! At the end of the day if it handles like FM7 I'll be uninstalling it after 10 mins! Time will tell

    • @acevedoaandres
      @acevedoaandres Год назад +12

      You are right, you are blind

    • @bigweedonly
      @bigweedonly Год назад +10

      Its the TAA, destroys sharpness.

    • @ShadyPaperclips
      @ShadyPaperclips Год назад +7

      I think at that point is preference due to art style than anything else

  • @Shot4ShotPhoto
    @Shot4ShotPhoto Год назад +4

    I’ve also noticed that ray traced car reflections depend on what paint job you’re using. When my Supra was blue, other cars reflected in its paint realistically. But when I chromed it out, it literally didn’t show other cars reflected at all. Even when I was right next to another vehicle, the only reflection was the cube map reflection of the environment.

  • @SeasonedGaming
    @SeasonedGaming Год назад +3

    You mention the "crowd is less dense." I'm guessing you took those pictures during a Free Race. The game dynamically changes crowd density depending on the race type. There are fewer people at Practice than the race for instance. If you were racing on Career or a full race, those stands would have been full.

  • @DynamicUnreal
    @DynamicUnreal Год назад +5

    I think one this is clear, the age of more and more polygons is officially over. It’s safe to assume the car on the right has significantly more polygons and yet the difference between the two cars to the human eye is not that big. This is now the era of lighting and textures.

  • @liveandlearnj3209
    @liveandlearnj3209 Год назад +76

    New game looks better overall but I prefer some of the cheats being used in FM7 like crowds. I think this game shows some of those tricks had value for the final result to casual observers.
    At least it's stable 60 fps. A lot of games go crazy w/ trade offs but still have a poor framerate. Great effort!!!

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo Год назад +24

      i agree. fuller crowds 2d crowds look better than sparse 3D crowds. you can't even tell they're 2D or 3D when moving, anyway!

    • @ahmedp8009
      @ahmedp8009 Год назад +21

      I don't understand why they wasted resources on the 3D crowds?
      It doesn't make sense and comes with a hit to crowds density, F7 looks much better.
      Was it really that important?

    • @JohnGuyJohn
      @JohnGuyJohn Год назад +9

      Forza 6 got raked for its crowd billboards. We've probably all forgotten about that but I bet Turn 10 hasn't.

    • @faber3969
      @faber3969 Год назад +8

      @@JohnGuyJohn by dumb fanboys online lol

    • @electus1
      @electus1 Год назад

      @johnmarstall don't forget the trees. It's a shame when the average a-hole on the internet has the same sense of entitlement that was once only reserved for royalty in centuries past.

  • @Noah-Lach
    @Noah-Lach Год назад +60

    Unpopular opinion: I would take superior baked lighting over dynamic time progression any day. Look at what Mirror's Edge was able to achieve with its lighting model a decade and a half ago. Racing games could look absolutely unreal if that technique was applied to modern games.

    • @athena9029
      @athena9029 Год назад +21

      There's a reason why films use controlled lighting... RT has not made gaming any better, if anything, has worsen the performance.

    • @carpelunam
      @carpelunam Год назад

      Thats what Im saying, even in movies they dont even use natural light so why are we so obsessed with it.@@athena9029

    • @af4396
      @af4396 Год назад +3

      I don't know, I would agree with every other game, but GT7 imo nailed its Dynamic ToD lighting model... It looks photorealistic. Forza, and all other games, not so much.

    • @TheJayson8899
      @TheJayson8899 Год назад +1

      RT absolutely has its place, but using it as a fix-all solution is the wrong way to go about it, and it’s yet another automated process that takes away from handcrafted artistry and makes every product look similar to each other.

    • @The_Legend117
      @The_Legend117 Год назад

      forza 7 looks better and it has x8 MSAA

  • @th3orist
    @th3orist Год назад +6

    tbh the tarmac texture and the ground next to the track looks really low res compared to FM7, what is going on there texture wise? its quite blurry

  • @JFLTX
    @JFLTX Год назад +17

    Microsoft needs to care more about HDR implementation. The 2 heaviest hitters for Xbox this year exhibit grey blacks and terrible color gamut and HDR. That's unacceptable.

    • @christiansonesson8292
      @christiansonesson8292 Год назад +2

      Halo did as well. Very weird

    • @JFLTX
      @JFLTX Год назад +1

      @christiansonesson8292 lol I'm not the biggest Halo guy to begin with, but man, that game was forgettable.

  • @hb-hr1nh
    @hb-hr1nh Год назад +140

    The lack of spectators is really noticeable and in some shots the last Forza 7 looks better.

    • @djbpresents9584
      @djbpresents9584 Год назад +24

      Dude look at damn track. Flat no textures

    • @LewisHamiltonMSPR
      @LewisHamiltonMSPR Год назад +19

      I thought the same for quite a number of those comparison shots, thought 7 looked better.
      I keep hearing a lot of praise for this game but I'm underwhelmed, plus FH5 has been bricked for over 3 weeks now since the last update, so not exactly pulling me in with that either.
      Maybe I am totally mad, but I swear heavily modded Assetto Corsa can often look better than either F7, F8 or GT7.

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Год назад

      ​@@LewisHamiltonMSPRglad to see Im not the only one not able to play fh5 anymore

    • @LewisHamiltonMSPR
      @LewisHamiltonMSPR Год назад +1

      @@IamJay02 It seems FH5 only works on the C: drive now and if it was already there, you have to reinstall all of it to make it work.
      I'm not going to uninstall other games nor spend hours shifting them around different drives because they F'd up. Assetto corsa is taking up nearly 800Gb on my C: drive so I don't have any room.
      Nearly a month now with error 0x0 at launch.

    • @kevinsims5791
      @kevinsims5791 Год назад +4

      7 looks more cartooney than realistic at times with the colors. Motorsport tops it in all areas

  • @MikeUK
    @MikeUK Год назад +10

    Performance RT mode in heavy rain looks spectacular

  • @Chris-de6rm
    @Chris-de6rm Год назад +23

    Is it just me or does Forza 7 look better in the first comparisons? The new Forza looks a bit blurry and washed out, also see the aliasing on the barrier still. This appears closer to something I'd expect from the Series S in terms of clarity and visuals.

    • @TRX25EX
      @TRX25EX Год назад

      theres some aliasing issues as discussed which normally fixed over time, but other than that its miles better, 7 didnt even have decent lighting, it just like playing a game with max contrast ratio

  • @Zeryth960
    @Zeryth960 Год назад +3

    12:00 that TAA butchering..... like, sure image stability is better, but it blurs the image so badly I got the idea the game went to 480p

  • @turrican4d599
    @turrican4d599 Год назад +2

    4:23 Lower res asphalt textures??? Did Turn10 never heard of anisotropic filtering?!

  • @DeadOmega
    @DeadOmega Год назад +31

    That January preview looked seemingly far better than the final product wth

    • @outdoorsjoe
      @outdoorsjoe Год назад +4

      Yeah. Looks like they had to dial the game way back because of the Series S.

    • @helloguy8934
      @helloguy8934 Год назад +1

      ​@@outdoorsjoenot because of series s. Because of console hardware I guess

    • @CyberThug1080i
      @CyberThug1080i Год назад

      Sony has a console parity Claus contract. Because they're scared of competition with Microsoft.
      You know the weaker opponent always has to go for the lags.

    • @ozar1472
      @ozar1472 Год назад +1

      They were showcasing full rt on cars and now it's only self reflection just like in Forza Horizon 5 lol, something definitively went wrong. The fact that it didn't make the cut to PC is scummy

    • @helloguy8934
      @helloguy8934 Год назад

      @@Packin-Heat Oi. Those banger rt reflections are still supported by the engine though. How can it be because of series s

  • @hotdognl70
    @hotdognl70 Год назад +1

    At 6:40 there a bar of shade popping in the top of the licensplate space. Weirdest and most disatracting glitch of the entire video,

  • @Donzonda
    @Donzonda Год назад +22

    Its really strange that the cockpit camera has no motion blur enabled. It looks really odd when Switching to it while all other views use a high quality per object motion blur. Any known reasons for that?

    • @Shaki123
      @Shaki123 Год назад +1

      How about performance.

    • @dolan_plz
      @dolan_plz Год назад +1

      Yeah, it's either a bug or a very bad design decision. Should be there.

    • @LewisHamiltonMSPR
      @LewisHamiltonMSPR Год назад +1

      @@Shaki123 Sometimes cockpit view is slightly easier to render though because you are displaying less of the car and environment than chase cam.

    • @Donzonda
      @Donzonda Год назад

      @@dolan_plz I assume its a bad design decision because Forza 6 and 7 had the same Problem. And it never was explained why. It's just Something which bothers my eyes. Because Performance wise it makes no sense. The PC version has the same problem. In Horizon it works just fine.

  • @Laserdreamz
    @Laserdreamz Год назад +26

    Am I mad, I prefer how 7 looks by a stretch. Possibly the new one looks more realistic, just doesn't have that pop, it's not dazzling to the eye.

    • @IwinMahWay
      @IwinMahWay Год назад +1

      Fear not for we have horizon

  • @geminijinxies7258
    @geminijinxies7258 Год назад +29

    It's looking soft, desaturated and low contrast but maybe it's because of the gamma value bug mentioned in the video. Should be easy to fix with a patch.

    • @LandHooman
      @LandHooman Год назад +4

      Like reality

    • @geminijinxies7258
      @geminijinxies7258 Год назад +7

      @@LandHooman I've watched footage of real races and it can look soft with low contrast but never this flat. The game doesn't look much like reality either cos then it would pop off the screen when now it just don't. I think I'll wait and see what future patches will do.

    • @LandHooman
      @LandHooman Год назад

      @@geminijinxies7258 yea I guess your right

  • @stefansamoyloff3866
    @stefansamoyloff3866 Год назад +6

    I feel we're at the point where developers should just release absolute garbage pre-view builds, as well as graphical options that make the game unplayable.
    Most conversations around game quality seem to focus on a complete lack of understanding about how real word limitations means you can't max out visuals, include every modern technology, and still have a game run at a reasonable frame rate. People simply see a 60 or even 120 fps experience with full real time path tracing as this completely achievable thing the developer choose not to deliver for some reason.
    Letting people tank their experience to a unplayable slid-show by including options that hardware simply can't support might be the only way forward, as you see this problem a lot less among PC gamers.
    Mind you, GT7, which offers extremely limited Ray-tracing and only does so at 30fps didn't see anywhere near the negative response FM7 is getting for having more ray-tracing at a higher frame rate, so maybe the real problem is actually even more simple ...

    • @davidandrew6855
      @davidandrew6855 Год назад +1

      I think a lot of people also don't realize that GT 7 is running a game with a physics engine that runs on last gen PS4 with a 1.6Ghz Jaguar CPU. Yet many don't want to acknowledge the increase in physics fidelity FM 2023 is bringing, and I'm sure it is not a light tax on the CPU. Couple that with all the new visuals they are brining, and I'm content with what I see from FM 2023, I'll reseve final judgement after I play the game.
      The fact that GT 7 gets a pass in certain areas from the enthusiastic Sony masses, yet this game is being reviewed via a microscope is kind of hilarious. IMO, and this is coming from a GT fan. The IGN comparison the put up a few hours ago, IMO mind you, shows how more realistic FM 2023 looks. GT 7 is gorgeous, but I think, need to stress that so the Sony fanbase doesn't get bent out of shape, seems more realistic.

  • @twocityfoodies8476
    @twocityfoodies8476 Год назад +19

    Very curious how close the PC version will come to the original preview footage...

    • @JohnEastmanExAttyAtLaw
      @JohnEastmanExAttyAtLaw Год назад

      you think PC will be worse, LOL.

    • @saliva1305
      @saliva1305 Год назад +3

      will be much better obviously

    • @twocityfoodies8476
      @twocityfoodies8476 Год назад +9

      @@JohnEastmanExAttyAtLaw of course not but Turn10 used something to create that original footage and it looks like it wasn't an Xbox lol. MS is doing better with stating what footage we are seeing in trailers lately but this one was a prime example of them being vague.

    • @TakumiJoyconBoyz
      @TakumiJoyconBoyz Год назад +5

      From the sounds of it, PC won't look much better than Series X does, at least for now but there may be additional updates down the road, particularly on the RT front, based on what Turn 10 said in a previous interview.

    • @saliva1305
      @saliva1305 Год назад

      @@TakumiJoyconBoyz still, need for upscale and higher FPS is always a plus for PC. sharper picture quality and higher base resolution can make reflections etc. better by default. not to mention double the frame rate. much smoother for a racing game experience. as you said tho, those things will have to hopefully be added later.

  • @mna.author
    @mna.author Год назад +5

    Wouldnt a 1080p@30fps RT mode on XSS be possible though?

  • @TheVektast
    @TheVektast Год назад +17

    To be honest without title signs I couldn't tell which one is the newer when you show them side by side. 6 years of graphics improvement and the differences are minor.

    • @MrWar2050
      @MrWar2050 Год назад +1

      They are significant, but you need to watch on a 4k screen and not your phone.

  • @ikwilgeenkanaalzeur
    @ikwilgeenkanaalzeur Год назад +4

    Dynamic 1080p and no rt, i have an s and this just looks a bit too blurry for my console. Based on the trailers i hoped they could at least do rt shadows on the s and a 1440p 60 mode.

    • @samclark3370
      @samclark3370 Год назад

      It’s a $299 console. Be happy it even plays the game.

  • @purplelizard0102
    @purplelizard0102 Год назад +74

    I don't know .. . . aside from the foliage, I find the older game looking vastly superior... I do not understand why there are so little people thinking the same (if any)

    • @p5rsona
      @p5rsona Год назад +13

      yeah besides the interior and some technical aspects, old one visually looks way better.

    • @TheVektast
      @TheVektast Год назад +12

      6 years of improvement and still FM7 looks better sometimes on last gen...

    • @indian_crocodile
      @indian_crocodile Год назад +19

      you all need glasses😂

    • @GSG-io8zp
      @GSG-io8zp Год назад +2

      I agree but I’m also watching this vertically on my phone screen

    • @hb-hr1nh
      @hb-hr1nh Год назад +3

      I agree and the lack of spectators is noticeable

  • @dcarpenter85
    @dcarpenter85 Год назад +6

    Just me or does Forza 7 look better at 1:35? The lighting and crepuscular rays poking through the foliage look insanely good. FM just looks well lit but flat. Time of day thing perhaps?

    • @EightNineOne
      @EightNineOne Год назад

      That's the thing, implement real-time time of day..but why? Long duration racing where huge swings in time of day account for a small amount of the actual races you'll take part in and the trade off is a mostly worse looking end presentation. Saddens me

  • @DMN3901
    @DMN3901 Год назад +57

    Yeah, game looks washed out resulting in low contrast. Color volume seems a bit lacking in some areas as well, but isn't as big of a deal as the contrast. Hoping reshade fixes this issue, or they patch it. HDR might help this a bit, hopefully.

    • @omgawesomeomg
      @omgawesomeomg Год назад +25

      I think what you perceive as washed out is just more realistic volumetric lighting.

    • @monkfishy6348
      @monkfishy6348 Год назад +18

      Real life is washed out.

    • @McN4styFilth
      @McN4styFilth Год назад +4

      Go outside. Look around.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo Год назад +5

      almost every scene in this video is either overcast or raining. that probably has something to do with it.
      but there's also this annoying trend lately of compressing the color range so it doesn't even ever come close to reaching a full black. starfield also does it. it feels like going back to LCDs on oled, and even worse on lcds.

    • @chrismingay6005
      @chrismingay6005 Год назад +1

      I agree. The new game might look more realistic but it looks boring compared to the old game

  • @thebreadlord666
    @thebreadlord666 Год назад +3

    There’s a number of times where if you took the labels off, I might mistakenly mark 7 as the new game. 😬 looks great on PC, but not near as good on console as we were led to believe it would be

  • @djayjp
    @djayjp Год назад +5

    12:07 IQ of FM7 looks about 4x clearer/higher res.

  • @PalmDesertRock
    @PalmDesertRock Год назад +4

    I don't want to start a fanboy war. This is clearly a beautiful looking game. But I feel, at least in this video, it looks a little bit more artificial, and less photorealistic than GT7. I wonder why. Is it the PBR materials? Is it the lighting model? The subtle yellow/orange color grading? A combination of multiple of those aspects? What's going on? I mean, this is probably an artistic choice and that's fine. I'm just interested in the technical reasons. I'd love to see a video of John comparing the different approaches to rendering these cars and tracks in Forza Motorsport and GT7 (since he did the GT7 analysis). But looking at the release schedule ahead, I guess he'll be busy for the next few months. But it's rare to see two industry leading teams at the top of their game taking on the same source material, and come up with different solutions. I mean, between, PS5 and Series X, even the hardware is very similar. I'm sure it'd be interesting to see which decisions these developers made in terms of drawbacks and features they're pushing.

    • @tellyounuo4865
      @tellyounuo4865 Год назад +1

      It seems obvious that Forza Motorsport has no art staff responsible for coloring, so the FM8 screen looks so dull and terrible...

  • @eobet
    @eobet Год назад +2

    1:26 don't care about the technical details, from an artistic standpoint, Forza 7 looks miles better in this first comparison!

  • @bigbossgames8818
    @bigbossgames8818 Год назад +20

    Looking forward to Forza motorsport vs Gran Turismo PS5 DF video!

    • @mattmccaughen7371
      @mattmccaughen7371 Год назад +4

      facts forxa 7 held up to GT so we will c whos king

    • @robertlawrence9000
      @robertlawrence9000 Год назад +3

      @@mattmccaughen7371 and many things in the new forxa look worse than forxa 7.

    • @acevedoaandres
      @acevedoaandres Год назад

      @@robertlawrence9000false

  • @a.elka94
    @a.elka94 Год назад +135

    Lighting is such a huge step from last gen games

    • @Spaltentier1337
      @Spaltentier1337 Год назад +18

      It looks so much more realistic/natural/atmospheric with better lighting

    •  Год назад +31

      I honestly don't like it as much, it has that "raw video footage before color grading" look. It's a bit bland and washed out :/

    • @mattmanley7118
      @mattmanley7118 Год назад +1

      Agreed FM7 looked drab

    • @ConnorH2111
      @ConnorH2111 Год назад +24

      Still isn't better than GT7 🤣

    • @RighteousUncle
      @RighteousUncle Год назад +12

      Agree Turismo 7 looks absolute dogs shit when put side by side. Sony needs to wake up !

  • @FullNietzsche
    @FullNietzsche Год назад +4

    Very minor differences to FM7 and in some ways a step backwards, like the low crowd density. They took six years to do this?

  • @lilivier
    @lilivier Год назад +1

    I don't understand. There is no mention of the obvious blurry image because of the choice of TAA.(series x here)

  • @Parker--
    @Parker-- Год назад +15

    Series S mode isn't disappointing; it's exactly what it should be. You're looking at it up close on a 4K screen. Look at the Series S version from your couch on a 1080p screen and then it looks about exactly as it should.

    • @samclark3370
      @samclark3370 Год назад +2

      @rarkxd1950 If you care about graphics you shouldn’t have bought a Series S

    • @MrWar2050
      @MrWar2050 Год назад +2

      ​@rarkxd1950 Why didn't you did you buy the Xbox Series X it's worth every dollar.

    • @Parker--
      @Parker-- Год назад +1

      @rarkxd1950 No, I'm not kidding you and if you're here, then you're not the audience for the Series S nor playing the Series S in the setting it's designed for. If you can spend money on a decent wheel, you can spend money on a Series X or proper gaming PC because the Series X is the least expensive part of that whole setup. And if you're complaining it looks worse than FH5, than your experience on Series X is still going to look worse than FH5 on Series X. That's an art and visual issue not determined by which Series console you have.

    • @Parker--
      @Parker-- Год назад +2

      @rarkxd1950 If you don't have the money, then you shouldn't be complaining because the alternative is nothing. Further, if you could afford anything over the $100 budget wheel (Hori I think?), then claiming you don't have the budget for a Series X means you don't actually have the budget for a more expensive wheel, nor the TV to utilize the capabilities of the Series X. His question isn't stupid, your questionable purchases are stupid.

    • @Parker--
      @Parker-- Год назад +2

      @rarkxd1950 Clown behavior is spending tons of money on a rig and a nice screen setup and then cheapening out on a Series S then complaining about that it doesn't look as nice as a Series X.💀

  • @bogdanursache501
    @bogdanursache501 Год назад +1

    In all the videos I have seen the new FM, all of them are blurry. But all of them are blurry, also compared with FM7. Why? What is making the FM so blurry. It hurts my eyes...

    • @nickhowatson4745
      @nickhowatson4745 Год назад +3

      For Motorsport, they switched from MSAA to Temporal Anti Aliasing which is responsible for the overall blurrier and softer image. The MSAA of the previous titles leads to an overall cleaner and sharper final image but has trouble resolving finer lines and details leading to lots of artifacts all at a higher performance cost. TAA gets rid of the artifacts leading to a more stable and cohesive presentation but at the cost of a softer and blurrier overall image.

  • @aj_bary2044
    @aj_bary2044 Год назад +8

    I feel like FM7 trackside detail almost looks better in a way. It seems like they scaled down the quantity of trackside assets to increase the detail of fewer assets. IMO FM7 looks better in that aspect of the track not seeming so empty.

  • @KillerZxAce
    @KillerZxAce Год назад +49

    Hopefully you guys used the Upgraded Track resolution downloadable pack this time. It helps significantly.

    • @DrGreenThumbNZL
      @DrGreenThumbNZL Год назад

      No way , your a real wizard....

    • @SlyNine
      @SlyNine Год назад +26

      ​@@DrGreenThumbNZLyou're

    • @gdoumit
      @gdoumit Год назад +2

      There's an extra pack for the tracks?

    • @KillerZxAce
      @KillerZxAce Год назад +8

      @@DrGreenThumbNZL they complained about worse track visuals compared to FM7 in a previous video. I think they did not use this texture pack. That is why I’m stating it here.

    • @iconofsin4578
      @iconofsin4578 Год назад

      It doesnt install it automatically?? 😳

  • @Judie-Nator
    @Judie-Nator Год назад +60

    I can't believe how gorgeous games can be nowadays. The right artist with the right tools can make gorgeous looking games all on their own.

    • @eSKAone-
      @eSKAone- Год назад +9

      But physics still suck in Forza

    • @Fishstickeater
      @Fishstickeater Год назад +12

      @@eSKAone- L opinion

    • @electus1
      @electus1 Год назад +3

      @@eSKAone- that's the complete opposite opinion of everyone who ACTUALLY played it, but go off.

    • @rayyanabdulwajid7681
      @rayyanabdulwajid7681 Год назад +1

      This game hardly looks better than asphalt 9 running on an iPad.

    • @Aribbonofsoundmen
      @Aribbonofsoundmen Год назад

      ​@@Fishstickeateradin ross headass

  • @TheRealBOBlibob
    @TheRealBOBlibob Год назад +16

    It's funny how time of day can make the game go from looking photorealistic to last gen

    • @shaundavidssd
      @shaundavidssd Год назад +1

      Or the screen your watching on lack of HDR ,oh forget RUclips compression eh

    • @vgnvideogameninja2930
      @vgnvideogameninja2930 Год назад +2

      Forza Motorsport doesn't look last gen at all whatsoever, regardless of time of day.

  • @allansolano5587
    @allansolano5587 Год назад +31

    what i dont really like is that wash out look of the game on day time i 100% prefered the saturation and contrast it had on motorsport 7

  • @XgamerdaveX
    @XgamerdaveX Год назад +28

    Did they improve ground textures? John highlighted how Forza Motorsport 7 looked significantly better than the new game in that department.

  • @Alinktome
    @Alinktome Год назад +4

    There are a few differences for sure but I see much greater leap compared with Lamborghini 64.

  • @64fairlane305
    @64fairlane305 11 месяцев назад

    13:20 strange I see no blur but a clear pic on my series s+ plasma tv

  • @TheLucasbuck
    @TheLucasbuck Год назад +10

    Excellent video. Oliver is the new work horse of the channel. He seems to do most of the videos now. Great addition to DF.

  • @Gordond2009
    @Gordond2009 Год назад +2

    I can see the obvious lighting upgrades....but other than that...many of these comparisons could have swapped and you wouldnt even know. Like at 6:16 the changes are just changes...not an upgrade/downgrade. This is not to put a negative spin on the new release, just really a testament to how far they pushed the last Forza visuals on the hardware it used.

  • @roundearthshill248
    @roundearthshill248 Год назад +20

    I’ll be playing this day one tomorrow thanks to early access and am super hyped for this. But I’m disappointed about no qualifying for AI races, which I could have swore was promised previously, and the lack of RT GI on the PC version. I do like that there is a practice session before each race. Which will help to simulate the race weekend feel.

    • @omontero18
      @omontero18 Год назад +8

      I’ve been playing all morning already , change Region to New Zealand ! Very disappointed in the graphics though, baited us with the preview trailer , some parts look like 360 graphics 😅

    • @illestcatnnebraska7331
      @illestcatnnebraska7331 Год назад +8

      How can they say gamepass day one…and it not be gamepass day one…crazy

    • @roundearthshill248
      @roundearthshill248 Год назад

      @@illestcatnnebraska7331 bruh...launch day is October 10. But if you purchased the $100 edition you get 5 day early access. It is on gamepass on day 1...

    • @ArathirCz
      @ArathirCz Год назад

      @@illestcatnnebraska7331 Because day 1 = Oct 10. That's when the game is officially out. If you want to play up to 5 days early, you need to buy the premium edition. Gamepass is the standard edition, which even if you buy it, still releases Oct 10.

    • @volcalstone
      @volcalstone Год назад

      ​@@illestcatnnebraska7331it's day -3 if you pay enough money for it. I'll wait for Gamepass tho. I'm a racing fan but not so much when it comes to sims.

  • @joshooahh
    @joshooahh Год назад +1

    The interior mirror affecting the screen space reflections on the wet race track surface is absolutely awful, they need to fix that

  • @a36538
    @a36538 Год назад +7

    Texture acutance at 6:19 is better in fm7, the white maple valley print on the racetrack is more blurry on the new game, and as a whole it looks like the new FM uses low texture quality. But the anisotropic filtering is really subpar in this new game. 2 steps forward, 2 steps backwards

  • @camrsr5463
    @camrsr5463 Год назад +1

    in real racing the sequence goes as follows.
    Practice, qualifying, then race.
    you should get a good bonus for qualifying high. is seems like the top 3 or 4 AI cars really pull away early race.
    so I can see a lot of players choosing a 6th place, 7, and 8th place starting spot. Qualifying would do the same thing as choosing a start spot. the players skill level should be the main focus.

  • @bigt4135
    @bigt4135 Год назад +44

    I always wonders back in the day if we would ever have a racing game where the reflections in the cars would be realtime.

    • @StreetPreacherr
      @StreetPreacherr Год назад +4

      Yep! Two things I always hoped for in racing games. Seeing the my car reflected in the opponent car's paint. And 3D FOLIAGE on trees, instead of those lame 2D 'billboards' that just rotate so they look 'sort of right' when you look at them from different angles...

    • @balaam_7087
      @balaam_7087 Год назад

      @DontReadMyProfilePicture.57I’ll think of you every time I read a Bloodborne message that says “Don’t you dare look at me!”

    • @jamesmckay4573
      @jamesmckay4573 Год назад +4

      pole position didn't need them for me. lol

    • @robertlawrence9000
      @robertlawrence9000 Год назад +9

      @@StreetPreacherr It still uses billboards. There are just more of them at different angles.

    • @VariantAEC
      @VariantAEC Год назад +1

      ​@@StreetPreacherr
      So, you played Driveclub too, then?

  • @existentialselkath1264
    @existentialselkath1264 Год назад +27

    The move to TAA is a massive shame. I've yet to see a single racing game with it that doesn't end up looking far too soft.
    I get that MSAA can be too shimmery for many, but thats what options are for, and even the PC version won't have MSAA or even a way to turn it off!

    • @PlebolaPandemic
      @PlebolaPandemic Год назад +11

      r/fucktaa

    • @existentialselkath1264
      @existentialselkath1264 Год назад +1

      ​@@PlebolaPandemiccontrary to the name, an actually very sensible and informative subreddit... Most of the time

    • @HugoStiglitz88
      @HugoStiglitz88 Год назад +1

      No it is not lmfao 7 and horizon look like absolute trash without TAA

    • @HugoStiglitz88
      @HugoStiglitz88 Год назад +1

      ​@@existentialselkath1264nothing sensible about dummies who don't like good image quality 😂

    • @acurisur
      @acurisur Год назад +1

      The PC version supports FSR2 and DLSS. I'll be using DLSS

  • @TheCoolDave
    @TheCoolDave Год назад +8

    Yea, nice to see it side by side with Forza 7, a game I played the hell out of, got gold on every track. I do plan on the same on this one. It looks good, and I can't wait to get my hands on it..

  • @nickgovier
    @nickgovier Год назад +1

    6:39 that shadow on the bootlid 😳

  • @colaboytje
    @colaboytje Год назад +6

    What was said in the preview: track textures and foliage textures are a lot lower resolution than in Forza 7.
    In this video, it is again visible and so obvious, but suddenly is not mentioned anymore.
    The textures look horrible and flat.
    As also said in this video: texture filtering is reduced in quality over Forza 7.
    What was mentioned in the preview video, than the anti-aliasing has been changed to TXAA, while it was MSAA in Forza 7, is not mentioned here, but is still visible.
    Why was this not mentioned in this video???
    What I conclude from both videos, is that global illumination is vastly improved, that trees look better (although they still aren't 3D while in the previous video was claimed to be 3D and Turn 10 also claims that they are now 3D), and that RT is being used but at a much lower way than Turn 10 claimed it was in their own videos.
    So on one hand, they have improved the visuals, while on the other hand they have lowered the visual quality.
    I'm not impressed by the whole. Remember that this is exclusive for Xbox series X, S and PC.
    Turn 10 is a first party dev for MS.
    Forza Horizon 5 is much more impressive than this Forza Motorsport considering it's completely open world.
    This game was anounced as THE showcase for Xbox series X and S. It is far from it.
    Turn 10 can do better than this, but were they pushed by MS to release it because it has taken since the anouncement and showcase for Xbox Series X until now, being 4 years ago?
    If this was really more than 4 years in development, why is it not a graphical showcase as promised?
    Or could it be that it wasn't actually being developed for more than 4 years as they first developed Forza horizon 5?
    Something isn't right here. I expect that there will be graphical updates in the future and much more optimisation.
    This is not worth 80 Euro's in this state. This is not the game that was promised. Just look at the first gameplay anouncement and look how much better it looked then.

  • @TobiasWiggle
    @TobiasWiggle Год назад +1

    Content Manager for Assetto Corsa has a module called Extra FX, in which it has the option to replace the usual way the game does reflections on cars (cube maps, updated in real-time. You can set at what frequency) with so-called "local reflections (SSLR)". This also makes other cars show up in reflections on your car. Is it possible Forza isn't using ray tracing at all but instead whatever this Assetto Corsa mod uses? - I ask, because I would think if the rays are being shot around anyway, what's the benefit of making parts of cars reflect with cubemaps instead and only show ray traced reflections where they're "most reflective"? And what does that mean anyway? Do cars with less reflective paint not use ray tracing where shinier cars would?
    Also, it's weird to me that time of day changes appear scripted and don't follow a linearly moving sun. If shadows are in real-time and the AO is ray traced in real-time, why not have the sun move in real-time and have that determine the level's lighting? What's going on there? Again, Assetto Corsa with Content Manager and SOL has a sun that moves astronomically correctly. To the point that days in winter are shorter than days in summer. I would have thought with Forza specifically built to handle everything in real-time, it would follow that it simulates the sun in real-time too. Otherwise, if we're going to blend from one "state" to the next, why bother rendering AO in real-time?
    I would love to see a bit of a deeper dive on this.

  • @nickhowatson4745
    @nickhowatson4745 Год назад +6

    what i really want to know is how much has the underlying tech responsible for overall car handling and track physics improved over Forza Motorsport 7? is there a difference in how the driving in Forza Motorsport "Feels" vs the previous games? Do these new tech improvements bring Forza Motorsport closer to being an actual "Racing Simulator" or is it still just an "Arcade Racing Game/Race sim lite"?

    • @carpelunam
      @carpelunam Год назад +2

      I own both Assetto and Forza Motorsport 7 and when you turn off all the assist they are extremely similar to eachother, they claimed this one had even more realistic physics so I would say so. Games like iRacing will cover more complicated aspects and incorporate them in the physics, but that requires a subscription.

    • @Greg-Storm
      @Greg-Storm Год назад +2

      After playing for the last few days I can say the handling model is far better than FM7. The cars are more grippy, can turn sharper corners at faster speeds, has a higher sense of speed, and has that buttery, arcadey/sim cornering feel (if that makes any sense) that you'd find in the GT games that makes driving satisfying. But at the end of the day, while it is more simulation based, it's still a simcade but more on level with GT

  • @hornet66
    @hornet66 Год назад +1

    To be honest,the 2 shots of the mustang,performance image looks better than perf RT image,to me anyway.

  • @facuuaf
    @facuuaf Год назад +11

    Forza 7 still feels like the stronger game in art direction. Even if limited on tech, the high contrast stylized aesthetic is more eye catching.

  • @Luka9S9
    @Luka9S9 Год назад

    Out of curiosity, is the Mercedes SL from the start of the video in the comparison between Forza Motorsport 7 and Forza Motorsport the same paint color? Just aking since it talked about the car materials, but the FM7 Mercedes looks like it have a brushed chrome while the FM looks like it have a metallic light brown.

  • @jgabrielr9977
    @jgabrielr9977 Год назад +6

    Don’t forget y’all. Playground Games is creating FABLE with ForzaTech :)

  • @Unprotected1232
    @Unprotected1232 Год назад

    Any good reason for the lack of anisotropic filtering on consoles? On PC it's basically a free visual upgrade.

  • @SnaptrixGaming
    @SnaptrixGaming Год назад +57

    The more I watch the more I can't help but think that this game is missing a lot of colors

    • @LordDeimosIV
      @LordDeimosIV Год назад +16

      Yep. Everything looks so desaturated. Maybe it's intentional but can't say I'm a fan of the way it looks. Might change my mind when I get to play it myself. Perhaps HDR will look better.

    • @peacelove8395
      @peacelove8395 Год назад +7

      The previous game is using a large degree of artificial saturation which is cartoonish whereby the new game is leaning much more towards realism but I agree it can be improved

    • @SnaptrixGaming
      @SnaptrixGaming Год назад +7

      @@LordDeimosIV I really don't play racing games but I think that the lack of colors would turn me off from the game if I did. I know it's silly, but It genuinely bothers me to the point where I don't think it's acceptable. But maybe that's just because I'm tired of accepting poor presentation of pretty games...

    • @THE_DEEZLE
      @THE_DEEZLE Год назад +4

      As real life does

    • @Sun6935
      @Sun6935 Год назад

      I prefer these new colors, it is less unrealistic

  • @soadek1
    @soadek1 Год назад +2

    Hey! Are you guys planning on doing a deep dive on FSR 3 anytime soon?

    • @jollama
      @jollama Год назад +1

      They’re not answering you

  • @goob8945
    @goob8945 Год назад +10

    It seems to have the same issue as Halo Infinite, where the adherence to “realistic” lighting makes the game look flat and uninteresting. Unfortunately I’m not a fan of it but I’m still excited to play the game. Hopefully more attention has been paid to the car handling and physics

    • @plr985
      @plr985 Год назад +1

      I think this is what's most important anyways and from what I've read and heard it's vastly improved.

    • @goob8945
      @goob8945 Год назад

      @@plr985 yes I’m hearing good things about the gameplay too, I’ll definitely be giving it a go come release. If I’ve been playing assetto corsa for this long I’m sure I can forgive the visual shortcomings 😂

    • @plr985
      @plr985 Год назад +1

      @@goob8945 very very true lol

  • @DoABarrilRoll
    @DoABarrilRoll Год назад +2

    I often wasnt sure what was the old forza and what was the new game

  • @LtSokol
    @LtSokol Год назад +10

    It looks great but it doesn't seem to overtake GT7 more realistic driving.
    Still I look forward to trying it out this week.

  • @Conchobhar
    @Conchobhar Год назад

    16:49 my goodness that dashboard is cool. What car is that?? I don't recognize the A with the line through it.

  • @alex.starostin
    @alex.starostin Год назад +5

    Judging by its small incremental upgrades I feel like it could've ran of Xbox One. Compare this 2023 game with 2013 Forza 5, the difference is hard to spot, I'd even say that 5 looks better in some instances

    • @callando5882
      @callando5882 Год назад +1

      Yeah I felt the same way about GT7. It probably could have ran on the PS2. It also looked about the same as GT3.

    • @alex.starostin
      @alex.starostin Год назад +1

      @@callando5882 that's because GT3 was that big of a leap, it still looks good today

    • @frosty2odyssey
      @frosty2odyssey Месяц назад +1

      ​@@callando5882no it doesn't 💀

  • @antonior.8273
    @antonior.8273 Год назад

    I miss the music in the background while you drive!! The anyone knows how to enable the music or is totally gone?

  • @TripleKOShorts
    @TripleKOShorts Год назад +17

    While FM looks better in most cases than FM7, the differences are not earth shattering especially sine FM7 dropped in 2017. Just goes to show how good graphically FM7 was back then on Xbox One X while running in 4k at 60fps! This game could have easily been playable on the One X at 1440p.

    • @vandammage1747
      @vandammage1747 Год назад +7

      Not with the enhanced physics

    • @adrianhosein7698
      @adrianhosein7698 Год назад +1

      @@vandammage1747 yes it could, seris s is doing it and thats a 4tf machine, one x is 6tf.

    • @TheCrazeturk
      @TheCrazeturk Год назад +9

      @@adrianhosein7698 You can’t just compare the numbers like that. Series S has a different GPU architecture and more importantly, a Zen 2 CPU, which primarily handles the physics.

    • @VitorHugoOliveiraSousa
      @VitorHugoOliveiraSousa Год назад +2

      @@adrianhosein7698 physics in games are calculated by the CPU. Zen 2 are much much better than the jaguar in the last generation.

    • @adrianhosein7698
      @adrianhosein7698 Год назад +1

      @@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa the physicist in gt7 seem to be better than here as df stated this game is more on the arcade side than gt7, if gt7 can run on a PS4 while using better physics then this game can run on a one x.

  • @dlbutters7164
    @dlbutters7164 Год назад +2

    When Driveclub (PS4) ran at 30 fps, people laughed at it... Now almost 10 years later, on a newer generation Xbox, Forza runs at 30 pfs, people applaud it?
    🤨

  • @aukalender
    @aukalender Год назад +4

    Great video. I think for some reason the game looks way behind GT7 graphically

  • @frankynakamoto2308
    @frankynakamoto2308 Год назад +1

    a 40fps MODE with the reflections boosted to the same 40fps BE an ideal mode for this game, on both series s and x, or if they can get the 60fps mode to have the reflections be 40fps, sense no frame drops occur they might have some headroom for that.

    • @mr88nyc
      @mr88nyc Год назад

      I really want to see more 40fps modes on console.

  • @erikhecht4352
    @erikhecht4352 Год назад +10

    As a multi-platform gamer, I'm really enjoying this. However, to my eyes GT7 still has the edge visually. Plus the VR2 support means I'll likely spend more time with that long-term.

    • @overwatch761
      @overwatch761 Год назад +2

      Forza looks generations ahead for me and. no you won't be playing GT7 due to VR Support as I know for a fact you don't have PSVR2. Very few people have a PSVR2 headset, and anyone that owns it uses had it on display in a cabinet.

    • @OG_Daz
      @OG_Daz Год назад

      GT7 is quite a fair bit better graphically, having just played Forza for a bit today. However, Forza is a far better game and driving experience by quite a long way

    • @carpetfluff35
      @carpetfluff35 Год назад +3

      @@overwatch761 Congrats on winning my award for the stupiest comment I've read on YT today. For the record, I'll be playing this, but any flat game is going to pale in comparison feel-wise compared to sitting in car in the headset.

    • @zihechen3111
      @zihechen3111 Год назад

      @@OG_Daz forza is more arcade racing

    • @OG_Daz
      @OG_Daz Год назад

      @@zihechen3111 yes, certainly in the past. But, I think the gap is now closer than ever. GT7 is not a good game and not a good racing SIM. Forza Motorsport is a great game, SIM or Arcade really doesn’t matter.

  • @CasuallyLit
    @CasuallyLit Год назад +1

    Wait, so there isnt full RT reflections even on PC??? Bummer.

  • @billyb7119
    @billyb7119 Год назад +6

    To me, it's a great example of the limitations of detailed technical analysis when it comes to graphics. You can point to all the technical advancements, how the old game used tricks or cheats to achieve an effect, etc, but in the end, higher end tech doesn't necessarily lead to a subjectively better looking game. I recognize how much more technically advanced the new game is, but in the end I can't say that I think it looks better overall. It appears washed out and flat, with very low contrast, soft environmental textures, and extremely unsaturated colour. I do, however, greatly appreciate some of the advancements in materials rendering. One of my main gripes with Forza games from the start of the franchise up until now has been the fact that all the cars look like they're made of mirror-polished plastic. Looks like they've finally advanced in that area to rendering something that looks more like painted metal.

    • @Flapdr01
      @Flapdr01 Год назад

      I feel the same way, I guess the new one is technically better but on these video comparisons the old one really doesn't look much worse.

  • @sweekly146
    @sweekly146 Год назад

    12:39 The labels aren't correct. That is Series X on the left side, not Series S.

  • @elone3997
    @elone3997 Год назад +4

    Turn 10 "We've pulled out all the stops and have delivered a cutting edge game engine from tireless years of work in the field".
    DF "Yeah, it looks pretty good..buuuut...."
    Sorry guys but your starting to sound like food critics 😖

    • @electus1
      @electus1 Год назад

      We come to DF to put things under a microscope to see things that we would never see while playing. It gives me a better appreciation for how games are designed, but would never spoil a good game for me.

  • @f1nkangel
    @f1nkangel Год назад +1

    Ah, thanks Oliver, I just got my invite to the early access, installing now!

  • @jubei20111
    @jubei20111 Год назад +4

    Cant' believe how good FM7 still looks.

    • @jacktyler1082
      @jacktyler1082 Год назад +1

      Better textures than Forza 8

    • @jubei20111
      @jubei20111 Год назад

      @@jacktyler1082 must have missed that part, can you time stamp it for me?

    • @jacktyler1082
      @jacktyler1082 Год назад

      @@jubei20111 of course 4.54 min

    • @jubei20111
      @jubei20111 Год назад

      @@jacktyler1082 Just quick mention of texture filtering making the track look more blurry in FM. Was there any other mention about textures being worse in FM vs FM7 or was this the only instance?

    • @jacktyler1082
      @jacktyler1082 Год назад

      @@jubei20111 at DF Forza Motorsport Preview Video

  • @iabaca
    @iabaca Год назад

    Hang on...why does this clip of FM look much clearer than igns??? Ign looks like theres a filter on it compared.

  • @DavidHunter
    @DavidHunter Год назад +10

    Really do feel like I was sold a dud with the Series S. Same graphics at a lower resolution they said.. yeah that’s not what’s panning out here. I was happy with a 1080p box (and they said it would be 1440p initially!) but we’re really not getting the same graphical features simply at a lower resolution.

    • @drunkenhearted7256
      @drunkenhearted7256 Год назад

      Yep! Microsoft lied to us big time! Buyer beware it seems… 🙄

    • @Retro_Gamer_89
      @Retro_Gamer_89 Год назад +2

      Upgrade and get a Series X it's that simple 🤷

    • @drunkenhearted7256
      @drunkenhearted7256 Год назад +2

      @@Retro_Gamer_89 that doesn’t change the fact that we were lied to you about the boxes capabilities, bro…
      Not that it matters, but I actually have both. I’m just agreeing that he’s right, we were all collectively lied to. Stop defending Microsoft deceit.

    • @Retro_Gamer_89
      @Retro_Gamer_89 Год назад

      @@drunkenhearted7256 Things change that's life 🤷

  • @Nockspielt
    @Nockspielt Год назад

    4:32 The aspahlt on FM7 and gras looks much better in FM7 then in FMM....

  • @madson-web
    @madson-web Год назад +41

    This rendering tech is really good but it's a lot less sharp than the previous games

    • @J0rdan912
      @J0rdan912 Год назад +17

      Less sharp and more flatter, washed out. In pursuit of realism they lost some artistic touch that making older Forza Motorsport and Horizon games more visually appealing, saturated, artistic. Sometimes realistic and advanced is not better, this is why painting and animation are still coexisting with photo and movies.

    • @XXMetallica88XX
      @XXMetallica88XX Год назад +9

      @J0rdan912 its preference. I prefer this. I have about 5 hours in the game so far and its soo good. Best Forza motorsport forsure. Gameplay and lighting are 10/10 incredible and the graphic decision to go ultra real imo was awesome. The game is insane looking. But some prefer the less real and brighter. So again its preference. But ur opinion isnt everyones. Alot of people love this game already. Its a 9 or 10/10

    • @kjell9745
      @kjell9745 Год назад

      ​@@XXMetallica88XXhow are the engine sounds ?

    • @XXMetallica88XX
      @XXMetallica88XX Год назад +4

      @kjell9745 amazing. Ive been playing with my gaming headset and fuckkk some of the cars sound meannnnn. Ive been loving it. Id definitely download it if ur a car person at all.

    • @kjell9745
      @kjell9745 Год назад

      @@XXMetallica88XX think I need to buy my surround sound asap,
      My current one is broke 😅

  • @myphsto
    @myphsto Год назад

    On PC VRR seems to be broken entirely. Run a simple benchmark with 60 vs 60 vsync with and without VRR enabled on your monitor. 60 vsync acts unlocked on my 120Hz LG CX with VRR enabled, where 60 tries to hold 60 but is still all over with frame times. The only 'fix' I've found is to turn off VRR running at 60 (vsync) in game and I get a perfectly flat line for frame times.

  • @jurgenjurgen4052
    @jurgenjurgen4052 Год назад +26

    Excellent video, Oliver! You have improved a lot since the beginning 💪🏻

  • @al_bundy86
    @al_bundy86 Год назад

    It bothers me that when it rains and the wipers are on, there are some artifacts on the SSR reflections on the road.

  • @lipsontajgordongrunk4328
    @lipsontajgordongrunk4328 Год назад +3

    The GameCube man strikes again! Great video as usual