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You kind of sound like a man hater. I don't like it. He's a major jerk, yes, but that's how women got treated back when and you're overlooking that fact.
@@rosealexander9007 Nope, because that's what they called it. Did you listen to the movie Titanic when you watched it? I'm pretty sure that's what the guy that wanted to give them more news to print called it.
Keep in mind that the third class people didnt get up until much later in the sinking. So the first class men had much more of a chance. Also the majority of them got off on collapsible b which floated off the ship and then men who got there swam to it.
@@BarbaraTown010 Classist always like to insert Classism into their statements sadly. Ignoring the obvious that Class on the ship was dictated by ticket price, not social status.
My grandfather had a ticket for the Titanic. He was 9 years old at the time. He was with his mother, father and younger brother. They had been living in New London South Africa while my great grandfather was head of sales for Moline Plow S. Africa. They were taking a ship from S. Africa to the U.K. but the ship was late getting to the U.K. causing them to miss the Titanic sailing. My grandfather was very interested in the Titanic story and lived long enough to see the first submersible to see the wreck of the Titanic. Years ago I was telling this story to a co-worker, he replied and said his grandmother had the exact same story.
@@davidscott156 Yes, he was there from about 1908 o 1912. I found the passenger manifest for he USS Philadelphia listing my great-grandfather, mother and my great uncle and grandfather (aged 9) arriving in New York about 3 weeks after the Titanic was lost.
@@davidscott156 My G. Grandfather left quite a legacy in the US State Department. All of the records are on line and searchable, Prior to the assignment in So. Africa he was posted by Moline Plow to Buenos Aires, Argentina from about 1904 to 1907. An interesting story how he started working for Moline Plow. The company was staging a sales demonstration in a field next to his farm and the man who was planned to do the lowing did not show up. My g. grandfather was working the next field and was asked him to come over and do the demonstration. Of course in those days plowing was done behind a team of horses. One thing lead to another and he was hired. Moline Plow was a world leader in the design and manufacture of steel plows and had a huge international sales department. Back in the 19th century Moline Illinois was the second largest mill town outside of Connecticut. It was also the home of the John Deere company.
I met the great granddaughter of a Titanic passenger. It was a really meaningful accident. I was talking to my friend in her shop. The movie had just come out. I told my friend that I wouldn’t the film because I was ambivalent about people capitalising on such a tragedy. A customer turned to me and said, “Thank you, I appreciate that you are considering the deaths. My great grandmother died on the Titanic.” Of course I was shocked. She hugged me. “You are an exceptional person.” Even remembering this encounter makes me tearful. I feel so fortunate and saddened to regard history differently from most people. Love your channel. Keep educating people. The Past matters.
My great grandfather was Titanic crewman and survivor, Albert Horswill. I always wondered what he would have thought about the Titanic Entertainment Complex, and the use of a tragedy for entertainment.
@@donnix1192 Thanks for your reply. I can’t even imagine how conflicted family members may feel. I am truly grateful to any ancestors of Titanic passengers that speak up. Sometimes tragedy shouldn’t be made into a money-making display. Sending you my best wishes.
it was the James Cameron movie Titanic that got me interested in the ship itself, the stories on her, and other ships as well. It started my passion for maritime history. Rest assured, I am far from the only one that got their start on the movie to find more about her passengers. Not everyone is fangirling over Jack and Rose. Some of us, fangirl over the ship.
My great great uncle died on the Titanic. I’m pleased to say he was a gentleman, and brave. They must have been terrified, just TERRIFIED. God rest their souls❤️
my great (great) uncle survived by missing the departure due to a train strike. he eventually stayed in Belgium. I know his great grand children well, would probably not have known them if not for the sinking/strike
When I was a young child. I was told that a caretaker (janitor) at my school was a Titanic survivor. That was in the early '60s. Presumably that man was one of the few 3rd class survivors.
Glad Lucille divorced this spoilt brat of a man . He obviously was a shallow and callous person . He abandoned his children and wife . His son ‘s version of events were heart - breaking and really sad . He had real empathy for the men who couldn’t be saved .
Well in their defense, when I am on a cruise ship I as a normal layperson probably change three times a day - a normal outfit for breakfast, a SCANDALOUS two-piece swimsuit around noon, and then something kind of nice for dinner and clubbing 😊 of course my clothing doesn’t need a servant to help me in and out of it!!!
I read about the Carter family and knew a little little about the story, but like all these videos, with extensive research, it becomes a real story. Knocked it out of the park as usual! 😁
I worked in the Titanic Exhibit when it was in Oklahoma City from about Nov 2002-July 2003. I did a lot of research, not as much as you have, but my job was to answer questions. Everyone was given a boarding pass with a name and there was a display at the end with who survived and who didn't, but there were a lot of mistakes. Most of the questions referred to the movie and "Was there really a car?" was the one I got most. Also, was there a Rose, yes there was she and Rose Abbott was with her two teenage sons who were too old for a lifeboat. They went in the water holding hands, but only she survived, after a lifeboat picked her up. There was a Jack Thayer, 17, first class, who also went in the water and ended up on the upside-down lifeboat. He was one of the ones who testified that the shop broke in half before sinking, but they kept it a secret. HIs son, a bomber pilot, was shot down in WW II in 1943, his mother who was also on the Titanic died on the anniversary of the sinking in 1944 and he was found in a car with his wrists and throat cut that was ruled a homicide and he did suffer from depression.
Sometimes, a coroner due to the social taboo of scuide would/do record one as something else, especially back then. Someone I know who clearly committed scuide was recorded as accidental death on their death certificate.
Hi Dee! Thank you for your compliment! I love the stories about the people too. I am working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After I finish it, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you.
William Carter got himself into trouble when he sneaked into collapsed C after Ismay before loading away, costing his marriage as well his reputation in Philadelphia high society.
If he was on collapsible C, he would have been on Titanic long after his family had left the ship. C was the last boat to leave Titanic. Am I missing something?
@@johnvonundzu2170Collapsible C was the last boat launched from the starboard side. Collapsible D on the port side was the last to be actually launched from the ship. (about 5 minutes or so afterwards.) Collapsibles A and B floated free of the ship (as it finally sank) about 10 minutes after that.
yet William Carter doesn't have a legacy of being cast as a villain, and villainized like Ismay was. Ismay did his best to help survivors onto boats. He stepped up. Yet a journalist with an axe to grind destroyed Ismay.
@@zombiedoggie2732 The difference was that William Ranolph Hearst, who owned a huge proportion of English language newspapers in the US and abroad LOATHED JB Ismay. Hearst was determined to use this tragedy to destroy Ismay’s reputation. Newspapers largely syndicated articles, not dissimilar to Reuters/Associated Press today. The outcome would be like having Rupert Murdoch deciding to use Fox News as an attack dog today. And people still believe the bullshit. Like for example Ismay insisting on Titanic winning the Blue Riband, despite having a slower top speed than the Mauretania and taking the longer winter route.
Finally, a YTer that doesn't talk fast like a cheetah throughout the video. Thank God. This was very enjoyable to listen to. And I never understood why a man would need a servant to get dressed. A woman I can see, those dresses had straps in the back that needed to get to. The Titanic was a beautiful ship.
Hi Sew 2 Prosper! I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video as well as my speaking pace. The whole 'manservant' thing seems a little strange to me too. Thank you for watching!
@margaretr5701 it might be gossip, but the RF has/had a Groom of the Stool. Essentially, someone who wipes the RF butt's after, well, you get it. I mean, for real, they can not even wipe their own derriere, COME ON!!! How entitled they must feel..So the comment you answered just might not be gossip..Who knows!!!😮😂
Ismay didn't deserve the treatment he received after the disaster, but this guy sure did. What a miserable excuse for a man. If you think it's crazy that people got back on ships after Titanic, and I'm with you on that, you should read about Violet Jessup. A woman who was truly unsinkable
@@AndreiPopescu actually that's not true. It's a very complex issue but the main points are that they had the number of lifeboats required by law and they never could have deployed additional boats. Two of the collapsible boats floated off because they weren't able to launch them. There's a lot more involved. If you're interested, there's a ton of information available on the topic. I've found it all very interesting. There's other YT videos on it, as well as the most in-depth book on the Titanic ever written, "On a Sea of Glass". I highly recommend that book
@@Animei9 There was this man, Alexander Carlisle, who realized that the laws were outdated and he wanted the ships to have the number of lifeboats they needed. He quit the company when his suggestion was turned down. Also if the Titanic had enough lifeboats they could have launched then quicker since they would have not wasted time filtering passengers. With every family that had male members over 14 the crew would have to argue with the female members to leave their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons behind - some even refused to do so and stayed on the ship.
@@AndreiPopescu it was so much more complicated than that. Part of the reason the boats were launching without enough passengers was because passengers didn't want to get on the boats. They weren't originally intended for more than ferrying people from one ship to another and there wasn't another ship there. They were difficult and frightening to get into. People honestly believed that the Titanic couldn't sink. Not to mention that a year before a ship wreaked and all the women and children were put on lifeboats. All the boats sank. The only survivors were the men who stayed on the ship. People on the Titanic knew about that wreak. Last, but not least, the ship was listing. Davits at that time were not capable of overcoming that list. Ships sank after the Titanic with enough lifeboats and still couldn't save everyone because the boats couldn't be deployed due to listing. People always want simple answers and scapegoats, but sometimes there just aren't any. The reason that Ismay got crucified had nothing to do with his actions in regards to the Titanic and everything to do with the fact that William R. Hurst hated him and used the tragedy to spread "news" that he wanted to tell and the other news services picked up on. Everyone likes getting little bits of info here and there and choosing what they want to believe because they want to believe it's all they need and it doesn't take any effort. But truly studying a subject is it's own reward. History is so much more fascinating that what they teach in school
that is one thing that irritated me is the Lifeboat issue most of them Launched without a few crew for they where afraid of going back to get more even when smith ordered them back. It didn't matter if there was enough 1 they rushed as much as they could the col #2 was minutes before the breaking in half. 2nd it took a average of 20- 30 minutes with a trained crew to launch one boat in the water and they had 12 reglar and 2 col.
So agree! It had everything. Laughs, tears, and pure anger….lol I wanted to put my fits through my own wall for how he treated her. My best friend from high school was in a very abusive, first marriage and GOD it was so hard to watch. She got out but it wasn’t easy. She’s came and lived with me to get away from him. Still bffs after 40 years. Definitely my soul sister! But I guess it made me think this poor woman had all this money and came from a great family but had zero power. Just kept in gilded cage. So happy she found happiness. My friend also did in her second marriage. One of my greatest fear is an abusive relationship for my 18 year old granddaughter. ❤
@@BeckZ918 thank you so much for your compliment on the video. Thank you for being there for your best friend when she needed you the most. I'm glad that she's happy now. I wish the absolute best for your granddaughter.
There are only two of those cars made, one is on the bottom of the ocean, the other one is on exhibit at the Volo Auto Museum in their Titanic exhibit in Volo, Illinois.
Boxing her ears sounds the worst. Even boxers don't hit the head like that because of the risks. I would say the riding crop was equally awful but I have to say he sounds like a psychopath and none of the complaints are acceptable.
I usually avoid very long videos like this but this time I am very glad that I did not. It is the best and most interesting video I have watched in years. Another thing is that is was a pleasure to listening to your voice. It was perfect. To listen to a narration by a real human is just a blessing. Unfortunately this is becoming rarer and rarer on RUclips due to plain laziness and lack of quality control from RUclips. So, I am very grateful for this video and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You hereby have a new subscriber.
These stories get better and better, I've love your voice. Today I was rather annoyed that I had an appointment right in the middle of your post. It was a doctor or I would have canceled. You have the touch with your writing and speaking and a flair for the dramatic. Thank you so much for your skill.
Hi Pat! You are too kind. Thank you so much for your wonderful compliments. I hope that all went well at your appointment with your doctor. I'm SO glad that you didn't cancel to listen to me. Hahaha! Thank YOU for supporting my content by listening and watching. It means so much to me.
This was a great listen! I love hearing the REAL (Good & bad), stories about the lives of the survivor and victims on the Titanic. Just to add though. The car has been found on previous expeditions and there are photos of the wheels and axles out there. The car itself was thin metal and the sea has eaten it away almost completely. And to throw up some shine on a woman, Molly Brown was the richest woman on the Titanic. (Not Madeline Astor as some claim).
It was a huge job for the wife to "shut down" a house. Certain items would be packed and moved. Many expensive items would be stored away for safekeeping. She would handle the logistics of servants, who would stay, who would go, what to do with food on hand, what clothing they would take,etc. Not to mention arranging appropriate transportation. This would make Lucille's life very stressful.
👌👌 Minstrel: Brave Sir Robin Ran Away! Sir Robin: "NO!" Minstrel: Bravely Ran Away Away! Sir Robin: "I didn't!" Minstrel: When danger rears its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled! Sir Robin: "I never!" Minstrel: Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about, and gallantly, he chickened out! Sir Robin: "You're lying!" Minstrel: Swiftly taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat! Bravest of the Brave, Sir ROBIN! Sir Robin: "I never!"
Hi! I will definitely keep the Titanic stories coming. They are so interesting to me. I love how messy they are. I'm so glad that you enjoy them. Thank you for being a Messtorian!
I am stoked to have found your content! You have great humor, clear diction, charming narration style which is easy to follow--and keep interest. Well done!❤❤
@@stevenrussell5340can we say this about ♀️🐍that use biased gender based laws to extort rob men?only to be deleted by their divorce for profit husbands?
I live in Newport RI and had no idea her daughter was "Betty Boop" and lived just a few miles away from me until she was 100 YO! A popular breakfast joint used to have her pics all over the place and I never knew who Betty Boop was nor why it was all over the cafe until this video. Will take a drive over this morning to check it out! Wow what a high quality production and rare content about the "people" of the Titanic makes it so much more real. Def subscrubed thx!
Thank you so much for this. I have read so many stories from the Titanic and this one was interesting to hear. You did great work putting this together.
Hi Brenda! Thank YOU so much for watching this. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it and I appreciate your compliments on my work. I really enjoy making these videos. I'm almost finished with another Titanic couple scandal that's similar to this one. I'll have it ready by Monday the 16th at the latest.
Absolutely amazing story. Filled with great detail. I'm from Baltimore, so it was interesting listening to this story. Also I'm a fan of the history of the Titanic . Well Done !
Just subbed! As a history lover, I can't believe it took me this long to stumble across your channel! I really enjoyed your work, and look forward to more.
This was fantastic! Lucille’s daughter from her second marriage, Betty Brooke, is in the documentary Behind the Hedgerow. It’s about Eileen Gillespie Slocum. It’s sounds like Lucille had a great life after her divorce 😊
Hi Mamita! I'm so glad that you enjoyed this story. Thank you for the info on the other documentary. Sounds interesting. I'll check it out one of these days when I find some free time. It really does seem like Lucille had a good life with her second husband. She deserved it.
@@chadthedad03 I always thought a good plot summary would be “ whingeing teenage whore threatens to kill her self on the titanic because she hates money or something drags a 19 year old poor man into the mix fucks him cheating on her soon to be husband shaming and destroying her family causes the lookout to watch her make out with dude to miss the iceberg gets on a life boat asap jumps off it dooming jacks chance to live while her “evil” fiancé takes a pop shot at said dude gives up saves child keeps upside down life boat from been swamped. Turns out old rose wasted everyone’s time because she had the necklace on her for 8 and a half decades and instead of giving it to her granddaughter or the treasure hunters she throws in into the ocean and dies. Then spends eternity with a guy she knew for two days and not her husband of multiple decades” Rose is a khant
What a selfish jerk! No, Ti you aren’t being harsh & judgmental. It’s the truth. So sad about the dogs. “I don’t want to speculate too much about the ponies actions” 🤣🤣Thanks for another titanic hot mess!❤
@@Cobbmtngirl I had never heard of this guy until I was doing the research for the Kate Phillips story. He is probably the biggest jerk who was on the ship. I get sad every time I think about those dogs. I am 100% Team Pony. LOL! Thank you for watching! Charlie is my big mouth distraction. Hahaha!
Leaving your money to your wife only on the condition that she never remarries is exactly the super ego type of thing I would expect from the wealthy of that time.
The reason for requesting your widow doesn't remarry, was because in those times, women weren't allowed to control their own money, so if she remarried, it left her hands and was controlled by the new husband. This would likely take wealth from the deceased husbands family, into the new husbands family, or businesses, or even lost to high risk ventures, even gambling.
@Princess-us5so try living back during those times. The wealthy parents controlled their children's lives even in adulthood, the daughters were sent to a girls boarding school then finishing school until she was wed then she was under the control of her husband. What he said was roll. It was his way or off to the poor house for any reason he chose to have her committed. So, he did right by asking her to never remarry because their fortune would have been lost to the new husband for his personal use.
Whenever someone says "I don't think there should be an investigation, at all!" Someone needs to investigate. 😒 Another smashing telling of the not-so-pretty side of history! Your explanations of the different dining experiences, complete with details of dress and actual photos of restaurants inside the Titanic...this sets you apart from the everyday pedestrian tellings that rehash the same information, ad nauseum... You're the best Ti! 🌹⚓
I just found your channel yesterday. I am a HUGE history buff (mainly US history and Titanic) and I have to say I absolutely adore your work and love the uniqueness of your channel. There are no shortages of history channels on YT but your channel brings something more to the table and is really refreshing. It makes these people more human instead of just being a name in a book or in a video. I really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great work!😃
J Bruce Ismay gets so much unnecessary hate for his role in the Titanic when by many accounts he was trying his best to help and only got into a life boat at the very end when he thought everyone had been saved. Let’s give the villain status over to William Carter instead.
The ships were designed to have enough lifeboats, but J. Bruce Ismay and a few others reduced the number. If the ship had enough lifeboats I doubt anyone would care that he survived while for some reason other passengers and crew members died (for example the 2 engineers killed in the boiler room by the collapsing bulkhead).
@@tecraman8100 I'm talking about the original number of lifeboats suggested by Alexander Carlisle (which would have been enough for all onboard), not the minimum number required by law, which Titanic exceeded.
@@AndreiPopescuComputer models have suggested they wouldn’t have been able to launch all the lifeboats in time. The lifeboat launch was also prolonged when Lightholler chose to interpret “Women and children first” as “Women and children only,” which made wives reluctant to leave their husbands.
Hi Angela! I'm so glad that you found this interesting. Thank you for your compliment! I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After I finish it, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you.
I really enjoyed this deep dive ,thank you 🙏 . William was most likely able to move his family around a lot, and it not affect the children’s schooling, because they probably employed private home tutors that they took everywhere with them . You wanted ideas of other UK period dramas to watch. Well back in the 70’s , one of the first that was enjoyed by millions of us was a wonderful series called ‘Upstairs Downstairs’ . Another that followed ( same producer) was based loosely on a true story on the real-life career of Rosa Lewis (née Ovenden), the "Duchess of Jermyn Street", who ran the Cavendish Hotel in London at the corner of Duke St, St. James's. When the show first aired, there were many people who still remembered her, as she lived until 1952. The series was called ‘The Duchess of Duke Street’ .
Staying behind on a sinking ship isn't bravery, it's stupidity x 10. I'd be one of the first ones off the ship, and if people wanted to call me a coward, that's fine by me---at least I'd still be alive to tell the tale
The reason people applauded those that stayed behind was because some left behind for others to survive. They're applauded for prioritizing others and not themselves first. I do agree with you though, it doesn't matter if you'd be called a coward, its called basic survival instinct. We do not call a monkey stupid for getting out of the cage in exchange of abandoning another monkey. Call me a coward all you want, yes its tragic people died but if it wasn't me, it'd be someone else and it wouldn't change who survived and who died.
"I will always be amazed at how anyone who lived through the Titanic tragedy could find the nerve to ever get on a ship again, but to top it off, to get back on a White Star Line vessel." Yeah, let alone to travel aboard the OLYMPIC, of all White Star ships! The ship that looked the most like Titanic!
There is also the case of Violet Jessup. She was on the Olympic when the Hawke collided into her, On the Titanic. And the Britannic when she struck a mine. Girl survived three disasters. Two of them sinkings with loss of life, and she didn't let that hold her back on sailing on a ship.
Aint that the truth the men running the village pumps I'm trying to keep the ship floating just a little longer so people could escape Are the real heroes
I went on P&O cruise for 10 days and all the passengers just on one side of the ship , when that side closed for cleaning all the passengers went to the other side and continued scoffing, disgusting no wonder they were all 20 stone , never again
Just discovered your channel, great video. I loved your funny insertions to the story. When I first saw it was over an hour I thought I’d see 10 minutes and drop out but now I’m looking forward to going over the other videos. Great job.
Hi Jomicaza! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try. I totally understand your initial thoughts on seeing that it was over an hour long. I only recently started making my videos this long (since December 2023). It's a lot more work, but I'm learning that people like all the the details. I know that long videos are not everyone's taste, so again, thank you for trying mine. I'm so glad that you enjoyed this one. Thank you for your compliments!
@@MattieK09 hi! Thank you as well for giving this LONG video a try. Haha! I'm editing the next one now. Trying to keep it under an hour and 15 minutes. I don't think I'll succeed.
No one really knows how one will react in those type of circumstances. I was in Operation Desert Storm and I saw up close how people reacted when the war started.
Hi Katymayk! I'm so glad that you got something new from this video. Thank you for your compliment. I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor now. When I finish it, I'll get another Titanic couple scandal ready for you. They are kind like this couple.
Hi Karen! I'm so glad that you got something new out of this video. I'm with you. I love learning about those passengers too. I'm going to release the video that I'm working on now - it's about a crazy 1920's doctor. After that, I'll work on a video for another Titanic couple that's similar to this one.
Hi Ann! Thank you so much! I'm really thankful for the fact that you seem to have a grasp on why it takes me so long to get these videos done. But I'm trying my best to pick up the pace. I just finished the research for the new video this morning! I'm so excited to bring you the story! I'm hoping to bring you 2 videos this month and every month, instead of 1 like I have been doing since February.
My great great uncle Paul Mauge was a chef in the Al a carte restaurant.he jumped from an open door about 10 feet above a life boat being lowered . His co worker would not jump because he was very heavy ,and was afraid he'd hurt himself or someone else. Paul survived even though they wouldn't let him up on the boat deck. Right place right time.
Wow. Thank you 🙏 so very much for all of the work put into such a great video. You’ve done such a great job putting it all together and documenting history.
The stockings would have been scandalous because they revealed the shape, and drew attention to, the leg, which was seen as far too much of a temptation to men. Women had to be cautious with their ankles, legs and body parts below the waist.
I visited Cohb "Queenstown" during the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic sinking. Staring out at the tiny island where the Titanic last departed, brought tears to my eyes. It was incredibly moving.
Heartbreaking. My Grandmother always told me how terrible the wreck was, and the impact on the Social Life after the deaths of so many Patrons of the Arts. Tragic!
My grandmother and her sisters almost sailed on the Titanic but traveled from their homeland in England six months earlier on its sister ship the Celtic. They traveled third class due to being quite poor. My grandmother was fifteen at the time. She remembered being offered a piece of gum while on deck. She swallowed it, thinking it was candy. Her sisters went on to open a tailoring shop in New Jersey where they made suits for Thomas Edison’s daughters among others due to their talent.
So I got a text from my daughter..."Hot Mess has new Titanic video, it's sooo good." I said "oh boy" to self and here I am. This video was soooo good, as usual! The Madeline Astor one is really good, too** The dogs that were lost always makes me so sad. Poor William Jr. I can't imagine ever being able to look at that man knowing he felt NOTHING for saving his CHILDREN! Horrible man, beyond cowardly horrible. Lucille actually had to see his unattractive face in her life after that night. I love your channel. Your delivery is delightful and your research so thorough. Want more! 😊 I'm still laughing about Charlie. That photo is perfect for the circumstance. He's adorable and gives a great testimonial on the joy of sleeping. 😉 🥰 😂
Just discovered your channel today and I'm now subbed🎉 Great content and narration. As a guy who loves history since my childhood in Nigeria, i love this kind of content😂
Excellent presentation! Yes, you tripped me up when you "ended" the episode - I checked the time left before you admitted the prank. Brat-child! 🤣 And I love your puppy-dawg,; So cute!
Hi Crystal! Since I started making Titanic content, I have looked at the movie again a couple of times. I don't enjoy it as much as I did when it came out. I wish that more of the real passengers could have been highlighted. But I think that it's interesting that the movie has so many interesting reference points that I can still use in my videos. Thank you for watching!
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He was piece of crap a Erica spoiled piece of crap
After listening to this, I feel like a hobo who lives under a bridge and eats cement.
You kind of sound like a man hater. I don't like it. He's a major jerk, yes, but that's how women got treated back when and you're overlooking that fact.
@@tinarash7772 it seems to me like you are assuming things
@@rosealexander9007 Nope, because that's what they called it. Did you listen to the movie Titanic when you watched it? I'm pretty sure that's what the guy that wanted to give them more news to print called it.
The fact that more 1st class men survived than 3rd class children, means their were plenty of cowards aboard ship.
So true .................Life without money is cheap then and unfortunately is still true today.
That’s easy to say from the safety of your living room.
An some of the bravest were the really rich 1's
Keep in mind that the third class people didnt get up until much later in the sinking. So the first class men had much more of a chance. Also the majority of them got off on collapsible b which floated off the ship and then men who got there swam to it.
@@BarbaraTown010 Classist always like to insert Classism into their statements sadly. Ignoring the obvious that Class on the ship was dictated by ticket price, not social status.
My grandfather had a ticket for the Titanic. He was 9 years old at the time. He was with his mother, father and younger brother. They had been living in New London South Africa while my great grandfather was head of sales for Moline Plow S. Africa. They were taking a ship from S. Africa to the U.K. but the ship was late getting to the U.K. causing them to miss the Titanic sailing. My grandfather was very interested in the Titanic story and lived long enough to see the first submersible to see the wreck of the Titanic. Years ago I was telling this story to a co-worker, he replied and said his grandmother had the exact same story.
@jimpalmer1969 a very small world! I still believe that’s the Olympic down there though .
Is that East London South Africa?
@@davidscott156 Yes, he was there from about 1908 o 1912. I found the passenger manifest for he USS Philadelphia listing my great-grandfather, mother and my great uncle and grandfather (aged 9) arriving in New York about 3 weeks after the Titanic was lost.
Very interesting, I lived in East London for 11 years and have seen many photos from that period, I'm now back in the UK.
@@davidscott156 My G. Grandfather left quite a legacy in the US State Department. All of the records are on line and searchable, Prior to the assignment in So. Africa he was posted by Moline Plow to Buenos Aires, Argentina from about 1904 to 1907. An interesting story how he started working for Moline Plow. The company was staging a sales demonstration in a field next to his farm and the man who was planned to do the lowing did not show up. My g. grandfather was working the next field and was asked him to come over and do the demonstration. Of course in those days plowing was done behind a team of horses. One thing lead to another and he was hired. Moline Plow was a world leader in the design and manufacture of steel plows and had a huge international sales department. Back in the 19th century Moline Illinois was the second largest mill town outside of Connecticut. It was also the home of the John Deere company.
Congratulations in NOT using an A I voice to narrate this video. You did a great job!
I agree, I love hearing a real person's voice.
Except it’s pronounced “Ray - no” not “Runault”
Hate AI voice I always change the video
Maybe an AI would've got to the point quicker without all that boring crap.
That was AI 😊
I met the great granddaughter of a Titanic passenger. It was a really meaningful accident. I was talking to my friend in her shop. The movie had just come out. I told my friend that I wouldn’t the film because I was ambivalent about people capitalising on such a tragedy. A customer turned to me and said, “Thank you, I appreciate that you are considering the deaths. My great grandmother died on the Titanic.” Of course I was shocked. She hugged me. “You are an exceptional person.” Even remembering this encounter makes me tearful. I feel so fortunate and saddened to regard history differently from most people. Love your channel. Keep educating people. The Past matters.
My great grandfather was Titanic crewman and survivor, Albert Horswill. I always wondered what he would have thought about the Titanic Entertainment Complex, and the use of a tragedy for entertainment.
@@donnix1192 Thanks for your reply. I can’t even imagine how conflicted family members may feel. I am truly grateful to any ancestors of Titanic passengers that speak up. Sometimes tragedy shouldn’t be made into a money-making display. Sending you my best wishes.
Yeah... I met John the Baptist too on the Titanic!!!
@@Pope6006 You are just a sad, mistrustful person. Sometimes people share the wealth of their life experiences online. Too bad you assume the worst.
it was the James Cameron movie Titanic that got me interested in the ship itself, the stories on her, and other ships as well. It started my passion for maritime history. Rest assured, I am far from the only one that got their start on the movie to find more about her passengers. Not everyone is fangirling over Jack and Rose. Some of us, fangirl over the ship.
My great great uncle died on the Titanic. I’m pleased to say he was a gentleman, and brave. They must have been terrified, just TERRIFIED. God rest their souls❤️
I can't even imagine what they went through... ,lord bless and keep them......
Name?
my great (great) uncle survived by missing the departure due to a train strike. he eventually stayed in Belgium. I know his great grand children well, would probably not have known them if not for the sinking/strike
I think you mean HORRIFIC not terrific...terrific implies wonderful
@@DeidreL9 yours and everyone else’s on RUclips. If you’re not lying what was his name?
When I was a young child. I was told that a caretaker (janitor) at my school was a Titanic survivor. That was in the early '60s. Presumably that man was one of the few 3rd class survivors.
Glad Lucille divorced this spoilt brat of a man . He obviously was a shallow and callous person . He abandoned his children and wife . His son ‘s version of events were heart - breaking and really
sad . He had real empathy for the men who couldn’t be saved .
Typical rich person.
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@@roxannemoser Exactly. You said it with so much more eloquence than I could 👍🏼
William actes exactly how most men today would act because chivalry has died
MOST . . . .😢
I cant imagine changing my clothes 5 times a day. That's absurd.
I'm right there with you. But in the reality of that time, they really had nothing better to do.
@@Txl8y817 lol I guess you are right.
Well in their defense, when I am on a cruise ship I as a normal layperson probably change three times a day - a normal outfit for breakfast, a SCANDALOUS two-piece swimsuit around noon, and then something kind of nice for dinner and clubbing 😊 of course my clothing doesn’t need a servant to help me in and out of it!!!
@@emilytaege lol I see very good points. 🙂
They had no AC lol. I’ve easily gone through 3-4 shirts on a hot day
I read about the Carter family and knew a little little about the story, but like all these videos, with extensive research, it becomes a real story. Knocked it out of the park as usual! 😁
Awwwwe! Thank you so much, Eshi! I know that you read up on Titanic passengers, so that's quite a compliment coming from YOU.
I worked in the Titanic Exhibit when it was in Oklahoma City from about Nov 2002-July 2003. I did a lot of research, not as much as you have, but my job was to answer questions. Everyone was given a boarding pass with a name and there was a display at the end with who survived and who didn't, but there were a lot of mistakes. Most of the questions referred to the movie and "Was there really a car?" was the one I got most. Also, was there a Rose, yes there was she and Rose Abbott was with her two teenage sons who were too old for a lifeboat. They went in the water holding hands, but only she survived, after a lifeboat picked her up. There was a Jack Thayer, 17, first class, who also went in the water and ended up on the upside-down lifeboat. He was one of the ones who testified that the shop broke in half before sinking, but they kept it a secret. HIs son, a bomber pilot, was shot down in WW II in 1943, his mother who was also on the Titanic died on the anniversary of the sinking in 1944 and he was found in a car with his wrists and throat cut that was ruled a homicide and he did suffer from depression.
Ruled a homicide? Really? Quite a stretch.
Sometimes, a coroner due to the social taboo of scuide would/do record one as something else, especially back then.
Someone I know who clearly committed scuide was recorded as accidental death on their death certificate.
It’s in east Tennessee now, great museum… huge!
@@heathersmith8731Pigeon Forge wish convinced group I was with to go see it better then all that clothes shopping they did
So what you’re saying is, Carter’s Titanic cowardice was only the tip of the iceberg…
😅😅😅
😂😂It was The Captain that F ...Ked it up,He Hit That Iceberg Purposely 😡Damn Narcissist.
Is this true orjoking@@cheerlynstovall5506
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Fuck, alright take my damn like you earned
So happy this popped up into my feed. Enjoyed the story and your telling. Thx
I love stories about the actual PEOPLE on the Titanic! And I love your story telling!
Hi Dee! Thank you for your compliment! I love the stories about the people too. I am working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After I finish it, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you.
@@TisHotMessHistory oooo!! The 1920's doctor story sounds very interesting, too!!
William Carter got himself into trouble when he sneaked into collapsed C after Ismay before loading away, costing his marriage as well his reputation in Philadelphia high society.
True.
If he was on collapsible C, he would have been on Titanic long after his family had left the ship. C was the last boat to leave Titanic. Am I missing something?
@@johnvonundzu2170Collapsible C was the last boat launched from the starboard side. Collapsible D on the port side was the last to be actually launched from the ship. (about 5 minutes or so afterwards.) Collapsibles A and B floated free of the ship (as it finally sank) about 10 minutes after that.
yet William Carter doesn't have a legacy of being cast as a villain, and villainized like Ismay was. Ismay did his best to help survivors onto boats. He stepped up. Yet a journalist with an axe to grind destroyed Ismay.
@@zombiedoggie2732
The difference was that William Ranolph Hearst, who owned a huge proportion of English language newspapers in the US and abroad LOATHED JB Ismay. Hearst was determined to use this tragedy to destroy Ismay’s reputation.
Newspapers largely syndicated articles, not dissimilar to Reuters/Associated Press today.
The outcome would be like having Rupert Murdoch deciding to use Fox News as an attack dog today.
And people still believe the bullshit. Like for example Ismay insisting on Titanic winning the Blue Riband, despite having a slower top speed than the Mauretania and taking the longer winter route.
Lucille trying to find a biscuit to stuff in her son's mouth to keep him quiet so she can think about what do🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can only imagine how many things were going through her mind at that moment. LOL!
Kept seeing your comment while watching.... kept picturing Lucille Ball 😂😂😂 👍🇮🇪
Like boy our ship just sank. Thank God, shut up and be well. Kids don't care 😂
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Almost relatable 😂
The production value, including the narration, of this documentary is outstanding; I enjoyed it very much. Thank you!
Mr Carter took off like Bruce Jenner. I died laughing and imagined Brice in coattails sprinting down the hall
These days it would have to be an evening gown
And stiletto heels and wig.
@@jenniferholden9397 Nothing wrong with that
Finally, a YTer that doesn't talk fast like a cheetah throughout the video. Thank God. This was very enjoyable to listen to.
And I never understood why a man would need a servant to get dressed. A woman I can see, those dresses had straps in the back that needed to get to.
The Titanic was a beautiful ship.
King Charles' Valet puts the Toothpaste on his Toothbrush each morning... I kid you not. 🙄
@@tourbillon13 Gossip!
Hi Sew 2 Prosper! I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video as well as my speaking pace. The whole 'manservant' thing seems a little strange to me too. Thank you for watching!
Not to mention that hair!
@margaretr5701 it might be gossip, but the RF has/had a Groom of the Stool. Essentially, someone who wipes the RF butt's after, well, you get it. I mean, for real, they can not even wipe their own derriere, COME ON!!! How entitled they must feel..So the comment you answered just might not be gossip..Who knows!!!😮😂
Ismay didn't deserve the treatment he received after the disaster, but this guy sure did. What a miserable excuse for a man. If you think it's crazy that people got back on ships after Titanic, and I'm with you on that, you should read about Violet Jessup. A woman who was truly unsinkable
The ships were designed to carry enough lifeboats, but Ismay and a few others reduced the number, so they are to blame for how things turned out.
@@AndreiPopescu actually that's not true. It's a very complex issue but the main points are that they had the number of lifeboats required by law and they never could have deployed additional boats. Two of the collapsible boats floated off because they weren't able to launch them. There's a lot more involved. If you're interested, there's a ton of information available on the topic. I've found it all very interesting. There's other YT videos on it, as well as the most in-depth book on the Titanic ever written, "On a Sea of Glass". I highly recommend that book
@@Animei9 There was this man, Alexander Carlisle, who realized that the laws were outdated and he wanted the ships to have the number of lifeboats they needed. He quit the company when his suggestion was turned down. Also if the Titanic had enough lifeboats they could have launched then quicker since they would have not wasted time filtering passengers. With every family that had male members over 14 the crew would have to argue with the female members to leave their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons behind - some even refused to do so and stayed on the ship.
@@AndreiPopescu it was so much more complicated than that. Part of the reason the boats were launching without enough passengers was because passengers didn't want to get on the boats. They weren't originally intended for more than ferrying people from one ship to another and there wasn't another ship there. They were difficult and frightening to get into. People honestly believed that the Titanic couldn't sink. Not to mention that a year before a ship wreaked and all the women and children were put on lifeboats. All the boats sank. The only survivors were the men who stayed on the ship. People on the Titanic knew about that wreak. Last, but not least, the ship was listing. Davits at that time were not capable of overcoming that list. Ships sank after the Titanic with enough lifeboats and still couldn't save everyone because the boats couldn't be deployed due to listing. People always want simple answers and scapegoats, but sometimes there just aren't any. The reason that Ismay got crucified had nothing to do with his actions in regards to the Titanic and everything to do with the fact that William R. Hurst hated him and used the tragedy to spread "news" that he wanted to tell and the other news services picked up on. Everyone likes getting little bits of info here and there and choosing what they want to believe because they want to believe it's all they need and it doesn't take any effort. But truly studying a subject is it's own reward. History is so much more fascinating that what they teach in school
that is one thing that irritated me is the Lifeboat issue most of them Launched without a few crew for they where afraid of going back to get more even when smith ordered them back. It didn't matter if there was enough 1 they rushed as much as they could the col #2 was minutes before the breaking in half. 2nd it took a average of 20- 30 minutes with a trained crew to launch one boat in the water and they had 12 reglar and 2 col.
In seeing William’s photos, the only attractive thing about him was his bank account.
Damn... Patty, you read my mind!😅
Then seeing the sweet children and thinking what she had to do to get them here....ewww....can I just have the munny?
That's most men with wealth.look at diddy and Jay z and Bill gates.
....Gomez ( Addams family) ancestor.....explains a lot about the show.....unearned wealth.
I wonder why that was why they talked a good deal about Lucille's beauty. To offset his ugly.
Incredible research. Hats off to your hard work, and thank you for bringing this otherwise not-known history to us!
You did a fabulous job of telling this story. Good job! Another great story after all of your research. Thank you.
So agree! It had everything. Laughs, tears, and pure anger….lol I wanted to put my fits through my own wall for how he treated her. My best friend from high school was in a very abusive, first marriage and GOD it was so hard to watch. She got out but it wasn’t easy. She’s came and lived with me to get away from him. Still bffs after 40 years. Definitely my soul sister! But I guess it made me think this poor woman had all this money and came from a great family but had zero power. Just kept in gilded cage. So happy she found happiness. My friend also did in her second marriage. One of my greatest fear is an abusive relationship for my 18 year old granddaughter. ❤
Hi Diane! Thank you for your kind words. I'm so glad that you enjoyed this story! I'm working on your next one now.
@@BeckZ918 thank you so much for your compliment on the video. Thank you for being there for your best friend when she needed you the most. I'm glad that she's happy now. I wish the absolute best for your granddaughter.
@TisHotMessHistory Yes, excellent job - as usual!
She did the only thing she could do, TELL THE TRUTH AND SET HIM FREE
SHE'S GOT CLASS.............
I agree!
There are only two of those cars made, one is on the bottom of the ocean, the other one is on exhibit at the Volo Auto Museum in their Titanic exhibit in Volo, Illinois.
Boxing her ears sounds the worst. Even boxers don't hit the head like that because of the risks.
I would say the riding crop was equally awful but I have to say he sounds like a psychopath and none of the complaints are acceptable.
I usually avoid very long videos like this but this time I am very glad that I did not. It is the best and most interesting video I have watched in years. Another thing is that is was a pleasure to listening to your voice. It was perfect. To listen to a narration by a real human is just a blessing. Unfortunately this is becoming rarer and rarer on RUclips due to plain laziness and lack of quality control from RUclips. So, I am very grateful for this video and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You hereby have a new subscriber.
Agree❤
@@christinesalyer600 Thank you. I appreciate that.
These stories get better and better, I've love your voice. Today I was rather annoyed that I had an appointment right in the middle of your post. It was a doctor or I would have canceled. You have the touch with your writing and speaking and a flair for the dramatic. Thank you so much for your skill.
Hi Pat! You are too kind. Thank you so much for your wonderful compliments. I hope that all went well at your appointment with your doctor. I'm SO glad that you didn't cancel to listen to me. Hahaha! Thank YOU for supporting my content by listening and watching. It means so much to me.
What a treat this channel is! The scholarship, the in-depth research, the angles, the clever quips...sublime. More, please. ❤
This was a great listen! I love hearing the REAL (Good & bad), stories about the lives of the survivor and victims on the Titanic. Just to add though. The car has been found on previous expeditions and there are photos of the wheels and axles out there. The car itself was thin metal and the sea has eaten it away almost completely.
And to throw up some shine on a woman, Molly Brown was the richest woman on the Titanic. (Not Madeline Astor as some claim).
I love your channel so much! You walk us through the stories so beautifully ❤
Thank you so much! I really enjoy telling these stories. I'm so thankful for people like you who want to hear them.
Me too. This was my first video but I'm now a subscriber
@@Txl8y817
Me Too, Just Now!!❤😊
For him to want to move often was a way to control his wife. Moving often she couldn't make friends, which will keep her isolated from society.
Perhaps he could hide his mistresses that way, as well.
It was a huge job for the wife to "shut down" a house. Certain items would be packed and moved. Many expensive items would be stored away for safekeeping. She would handle the logistics of servants, who would stay, who would go, what to do with food on hand, what clothing they would take,etc. Not to mention arranging appropriate transportation. This would make Lucille's life very stressful.
Thank you for this. It is always great to hear fresh stories from this tragedy. Your research is fantastic.
Thank YOU for watching. I appreciate your kind words. I absolutely love sharing these stories. I'm thankful that you enjoy hearing them.
'I never saw him again'
He bravely ran away, away.
Like Sir Robin. 🤣
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Minstrel: Brave Sir Robin Ran Away!
Sir Robin: "NO!"
Minstrel: Bravely Ran Away Away!
Sir Robin: "I didn't!"
Minstrel: When danger rears its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled!
Sir Robin: "I never!"
Minstrel: Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about, and gallantly, he chickened out!
Sir Robin: "You're lying!"
Minstrel: Swiftly taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat!
Bravest of the Brave, Sir ROBIN!
Sir Robin: "I never!"
Please keep making more Titanic drama! Love your humor too :)
Hi! I will definitely keep the Titanic stories coming. They are so interesting to me. I love how messy they are. I'm so glad that you enjoy them. Thank you for being a Messtorian!
@TisHotMessHistory HaHaHa - Messtorian!
This Was My Introduction To Your Channel! Love That Word & You've Done A Great Job!! I Subbed!!❤😊
I am stoked to have found your content!
You have great humor, clear diction, charming narration style which is easy to follow--and keep interest.
Well done!❤❤
He wasnt just cowardly. He was cruel and malicious
Maybe that is a good reason he did not make it, God was punishing him for greed, and self-righteousness. ✝
@@stevenrussell5340can we say this about ♀️🐍that use biased gender based laws to extort rob men?only to be deleted by their divorce for profit husbands?
So she says.
I live in Newport RI and had no idea her daughter was "Betty Boop" and lived just a few miles away from me until she was 100 YO! A popular breakfast joint used to have her pics all over the place and I never knew who Betty Boop was nor why it was all over the cafe until this video.
Will take a drive over this morning to check it out! Wow what a high quality production and rare content about the "people" of the Titanic makes it so much more real. Def subscrubed thx!
Not only does he LOOK like a weasel, he acted like one too.
Dude you hit the nail on its hèad he does look like a little cheese rat
A Coward dies a thousand deaths......
Poor jaw line = poor moral 🧭
Thank you so much for this. I have read so many stories from the Titanic and this one was interesting to hear. You did great work putting this together.
Hi Brenda! Thank YOU so much for watching this. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it and I appreciate your compliments on my work. I really enjoy making these videos. I'm almost finished with another Titanic couple scandal that's similar to this one. I'll have it ready by Monday the 16th at the latest.
Absolutely amazing story. Filled with great detail. I'm from Baltimore, so it was interesting listening to this story. Also I'm a fan of the history of the Titanic . Well Done !
Just subbed! As a history lover, I can't believe it took me this long to stumble across your channel! I really enjoyed your work, and look forward to more.
I Just Found & Subbed Too!😊
Thank you for all the details of life aboard the Titanic.
Hi Sandi! Thank YOU for watching. I'm glad that you liked the details.
This is the first of your videos I've seen. Very good, you gave a new sub.
This was fantastic! Lucille’s daughter from her second marriage, Betty Brooke, is in the documentary Behind the Hedgerow. It’s about Eileen Gillespie Slocum. It’s sounds like Lucille had a great life after her divorce 😊
You peeked my interest and l see this is available on YT, watching it next. 😊
Hi Mamita! I'm so glad that you enjoyed this story. Thank you for the info on the other documentary. Sounds interesting. I'll check it out one of these days when I find some free time. It really does seem like Lucille had a good life with her second husband. She deserved it.
@@annfisher3316 hey! Cool that you found it. Let me know what you think about it.
"I have a child!" - Billy Zane in Titanic 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But he actually saved himself and that child's life.
Say what you like about cal he got cheated on and saved a kid…not the worst person ever
@@grantmctaggart9942 Yep. Rose cheated on her fiance and got the man who saved her life, killed.
@@chadthedad03 I always thought a good plot summary would be “ whingeing teenage whore threatens to kill her self on the titanic because she hates money or something drags a 19 year old poor man into the mix fucks him cheating on her soon to be husband shaming and destroying her family causes the lookout to watch her make out with dude to miss the iceberg gets on a life boat asap jumps off it dooming jacks chance to live while her “evil” fiancé takes a pop shot at said dude gives up saves child keeps upside down life boat from been swamped. Turns out old rose wasted everyone’s time because she had the necklace on her for 8 and a half decades and instead of giving it to her granddaughter or the treasure hunters she throws in into the ocean and dies. Then spends eternity with a guy she knew for two days and not her husband of multiple decades”
Rose is a khant
I found the back stories very interesting, sounds to me he wanted his wife to pass away when the Titanic sank.
What a selfish jerk! No, Ti you aren’t being harsh & judgmental. It’s the truth. So sad about the dogs. “I don’t want to speculate too much about the ponies actions” 🤣🤣Thanks for another titanic hot mess!❤
Oh, and Charlie is adorable!
one law for the rich and others laws for the poor
@@Cobbmtngirl I had never heard of this guy until I was doing the research for the Kate Phillips story. He is probably the biggest jerk who was on the ship. I get sad every time I think about those dogs. I am 100% Team Pony. LOL! Thank you for watching! Charlie is my big mouth distraction. Hahaha!
@@chriswasniowski3149 - it seems that way and it's unfortunate.
Leaving your money to your wife only on the condition that she never remarries is exactly the super ego type of thing I would expect from the wealthy of that time.
The reason for requesting your widow doesn't remarry, was because in those times, women weren't allowed to control their own money, so if she remarried, it left her hands and was controlled by the new husband. This would likely take wealth from the deceased husbands family, into the new husbands family, or businesses, or even lost to high risk ventures, even gambling.
His money, his choice.
@@David-dh9fk Yeah well we have choices too. I will not be controlled even after his death that's for sure if that was me
"wealthy nobility" is an oxymoron
@Princess-us5so try living back during those times. The wealthy parents controlled their children's lives even in adulthood, the daughters were sent to a girls boarding school then finishing school until she was wed then she was under the control of her husband. What he said was roll. It was his way or off to the poor house for any reason he chose to have her committed. So, he did right by asking her to never remarry because their fortune would have been lost to the new husband for his personal use.
Whenever someone says "I don't think there should be an investigation, at all!"
Someone needs to investigate. 😒
Another smashing telling of the not-so-pretty side of history! Your explanations of the different dining experiences, complete with details of dress and actual photos of restaurants inside the Titanic...this sets you apart from the everyday pedestrian tellings that rehash the same information, ad nauseum...
You're the best Ti! 🌹⚓
I just found your channel yesterday. I am a HUGE history buff (mainly US history and Titanic) and I have to say I absolutely adore your work and love the uniqueness of your channel. There are no shortages of history channels on YT but your channel brings something more to the table and is really refreshing. It makes these people more human instead of just being a name in a book or in a video. I really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great work!😃
I thoroughly enjoyed this . Thanks so much!
Thank you for sharing the lives of the family members after the titanic..
Hi Sherry! Thank YOU for watching. I'm so glad that you like getting those details.
J Bruce Ismay gets so much unnecessary hate for his role in the Titanic when by many accounts he was trying his best to help and only got into a life boat at the very end when he thought everyone had been saved. Let’s give the villain status over to William Carter instead.
The ships were designed to have enough lifeboats, but J. Bruce Ismay and a few others reduced the number. If the ship had enough lifeboats I doubt anyone would care that he survived while for some reason other passengers and crew members died (for example the 2 engineers killed in the boiler room by the collapsing bulkhead).
@@AndreiPopescu you got it backwards Titanic actually had more lifeboats than what was required during the time of the sinking
@@tecraman8100 I'm talking about the original number of lifeboats suggested by Alexander Carlisle (which would have been enough for all onboard), not the minimum number required by law, which Titanic exceeded.
@@AndreiPopescuComputer models have suggested they wouldn’t have been able to launch all the lifeboats in time. The lifeboat launch was also prolonged when Lightholler chose to interpret “Women and children first” as “Women and children only,” which made wives reluctant to leave their husbands.
@@CanadianMonarchistsomeone should have off'd Lightholler from the jump.
She was first class. No heroism from her ...is it heroic to wait in line at carnival ride? The people that sacrificed their lives ..
Agree. He was pathetic, but she should not be hailed as a hero for boarding a life boat.
I love the way you tell a story. You have a great sense of humor.
Love,love,love the way you tell the stories! ❤Love all the details,from interior of the Titanic to dress code !! So interesting x
Hi Angela! I'm so glad that you found this interesting. Thank you for your compliment! I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After I finish it, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you.
I just learned something new about titanic! Wow!
Hi Erica! I'm so glad that you got some new info out of this. Thank you for watching!
So broken hearted too when I hear the loss of all the doggies😥
And they still try to paint J. Bruce Ismay as the "Titanic Villain"! Lol!
I really enjoyed this deep dive ,thank you 🙏 .
William was most likely able to move his family around a lot, and it not affect the children’s schooling, because they probably employed private home tutors that they took everywhere with them .
You wanted ideas of other UK period dramas to watch. Well back in the 70’s , one of the first that was enjoyed by millions of us was a wonderful series called ‘Upstairs Downstairs’ . Another that followed ( same producer) was based loosely on a true story on the real-life career of Rosa Lewis (née Ovenden), the "Duchess of Jermyn Street", who ran the Cavendish Hotel in London at the corner of Duke St, St. James's.
When the show first aired, there were many people who still remembered her, as she lived until 1952.
The series was called ‘The Duchess of Duke Street’ .
I love your content! Such a treat to watch 🥰
Thank you so much! I am guessing that you are Sarah. But I'm going to play it safe and thank you both - Tim & Sarah. I truly appreciate your support!
Wonderful channel! Lots of love from Germany!
Staying behind on a sinking ship isn't bravery, it's stupidity x 10. I'd be one of the first ones off the ship, and if people wanted to call me a coward, that's fine by me---at least I'd still be alive to tell the tale
Exactly lol wtf I’m not staying on a sinking ship
The reason people applauded those that stayed behind was because some left behind for others to survive. They're applauded for prioritizing others and not themselves first. I do agree with you though, it doesn't matter if you'd be called a coward, its called basic survival instinct. We do not call a monkey stupid for getting out of the cage in exchange of abandoning another monkey. Call me a coward all you want, yes its tragic people died but if it wasn't me, it'd be someone else and it wouldn't change who survived and who died.
"I will always be amazed at how anyone who lived through the Titanic tragedy could find the nerve to ever get on a ship again, but to top it off, to get back on a White Star Line vessel."
Yeah, let alone to travel aboard the OLYMPIC, of all White Star ships! The ship that looked the most like Titanic!
Right
There is also the case of Violet Jessup. She was on the Olympic when the Hawke collided into her, On the Titanic. And the Britannic when she struck a mine. Girl survived three disasters. Two of them sinkings with loss of life, and she didn't let that hold her back on sailing on a ship.
And yet, we don't refuse to ever travel in a car after being in an accident.
@@zombiedoggie2732 She was also on the lifeboat hit by the Britannic's propellers.
@@AndreiPopescu I heard that too. Wow! that has to be terrifying!
The real hero's died that night.
Agreed!😢
And most were forgotten except by their loved ones.
Heros
That is why the terms unknown soldier and unsung hero exists.
Aint that the truth the men running the village pumps I'm trying to keep the ship floating just a little longer so people could escape Are the real heroes
All they did was eat and change clothes all day?! No wonder Rose wanted to throw herself off the ship.
You're stuck on a big boat for several days.. what else is there to do ?
Its fiction.
I went on P&O cruise for 10 days and all the passengers just on one side of the ship , when that side closed for cleaning all the passengers went to the other side and continued scoffing, disgusting no wonder they were all 20 stone , never again
@@MarinCipollinaThere was a gym and a pool on titanic
@@karahershey Granted... you could always get bored at those two places..
What an interesting story! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Just discovered your channel, great video. I loved your funny insertions to the story. When I first saw it was over an hour I thought I’d see 10 minutes and drop out but now I’m looking forward to going over the other videos. Great job.
Hi Jomicaza! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try. I totally understand your initial thoughts on seeing that it was over an hour long. I only recently started making my videos this long (since December 2023). It's a lot more work, but I'm learning that people like all the the details. I know that long videos are not everyone's taste, so again, thank you for trying mine. I'm so glad that you enjoyed this one. Thank you for your compliments!
Same I thought how could this story be over 20 mins…. But here I am 1.5 hrs later haha
@@MattieK09 hi! Thank you as well for giving this LONG video a try. Haha! I'm editing the next one now. Trying to keep it under an hour and 15 minutes. I don't think I'll succeed.
@@TisHotMessHistory great work love all the detail. Keep them long I can hit pause and come back !
No one really knows how one will react in those type of circumstances. I was in Operation Desert Storm and I saw up close how people reacted when the war started.
I'm surprised he didn't ask her if his car was ok.
Is like picturing a modern guy asking his wife, if his games were okay from a house fire.
😂😂
I love your voice! You're a wonderful narrator and storyteller. Now subbed! ❤
You are indeed a great storyteller, please keep up the hard and terrific work.
Great job! I never heard this story before. I always learn something new when I watch your videos. Love it!
Hi Katymayk! I'm so glad that you got something new from this video. Thank you for your compliment. I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor now. When I finish it, I'll get another Titanic couple scandal ready for you. They are kind like this couple.
A lot of times you don't have to look hard to find out where this behavior came from. This is obviously the way his father treated his mother.
I just love this narrator's sarcasm.
Great video, thank you very much!!!!!!!
Learnwd something new about the titanic ❤. I don't know why, but i love learning about the people on that ship
Hi Karen! I'm so glad that you got something new out of this video. I'm with you. I love learning about those passengers too. I'm going to release the video that I'm working on now - it's about a crazy 1920's doctor. After that, I'll work on a video for another Titanic couple that's similar to this one.
Really appreciate your research, writing, narration, and especially your time you put in to share such messy history with us. Thank you.
Hi Ann! Thank you so much! I'm really thankful for the fact that you seem to have a grasp on why it takes me so long to get these videos done. But I'm trying my best to pick up the pace. I just finished the research for the new video this morning! I'm so excited to bring you the story! I'm hoping to bring you 2 videos this month and every month, instead of 1 like I have been doing since February.
I think one of the morals of this story is, "Never take a Renault on a passenger liner."
😂😂😂
Indeed
The moral of the story is never say God can't even sink this ship. He'll go "Oh yeah?!" and sink it.
My great great uncle Paul Mauge was a chef in the Al a carte restaurant.he jumped from an open door about 10 feet above a life boat being lowered . His co worker would not jump because he was very heavy ,and was afraid he'd hurt himself or someone else. Paul survived even though they wouldn't let him up on the boat deck. Right place right time.
Wow. Thank you 🙏 so very much for all of the work put into such a great video. You’ve done such a great job putting it all together and documenting history.
The stockings would have been scandalous because they revealed the shape, and drew attention to, the leg, which was seen as far too much of a temptation to men. Women had to be cautious with their ankles, legs and body parts below the waist.
Very good video. I greatly enjoyed all the tea!
I visited Cohb "Queenstown" during the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic sinking. Staring out at the tiny island where the Titanic last departed, brought tears to my eyes. It was incredibly moving.
Heartbreaking. My Grandmother always told me how terrible the wreck was, and the impact on the Social Life after the deaths of so many Patrons of the Arts. Tragic!
surely u jest?
Indeed! 🤦♂️
@@Noscams00 See my response above for clarification. Thanks
Great job of fact-based storytelling! The before and after the Titanic mini-series of events was way more interesting IMO.
Thank you so much! I'll work on some more of these throughout this year.
I absolutely LOVE this! You do a fantastic job!
Beautiful human voice and great narration.
❤God bless the dogs who were on that sinking ship. If everyone could have been saved.
Yeah, I would've saved the dogs before the 1st class.
Wendy, I feel the same way you do. Thinking about those dogs makes me sad every time.
My grandmother and her sisters almost sailed on the Titanic but traveled from their homeland in England six months earlier on its sister ship the Celtic. They traveled third class due to being quite poor. My grandmother was fifteen at the time. She remembered being offered a piece of gum while on deck. She swallowed it, thinking it was candy. Her sisters went on to open a tailoring shop in New Jersey where they made suits for Thomas Edison’s daughters among others due to their talent.
Wow, I love hearing stories like this😊
So I got a text from my daughter..."Hot Mess has new Titanic video, it's sooo good." I said "oh boy" to self and here I am. This video was soooo good, as usual! The Madeline Astor one is really good, too** The dogs that were lost always makes me so sad. Poor William Jr. I can't imagine ever being able to look at that man knowing he felt NOTHING for saving his CHILDREN! Horrible man, beyond cowardly horrible. Lucille actually had to see his unattractive face in her life after that night. I love your channel. Your delivery is delightful and your research so thorough. Want more! 😊
I'm still laughing about Charlie. That photo is perfect for the circumstance. He's adorable and gives a great testimonial on the joy of sleeping. 😉 🥰 😂
That’s what I think about, the dogs 🐕 that were lost. I can’t even imagine how terrified and alone they felt. It’s heartbreaking 💔. 💔💔💔💔🐾🐾🐾🐾🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Im thinking he shouldve been happy his wife couldnt boil grits
Or had one of those cute little Derringer pistols! 😊😊
LOL! True, Paula!
@@joannbowden6220 woah! That would have worked too!
Just discovered your channel today and I'm now subbed🎉 Great content and narration. As a guy who loves history since my childhood in Nigeria, i love this kind of content😂
Good video
Many thanks
Excellent coverage ! Thank you.
Excellent presentation! Yes, you tripped me up when you "ended" the episode - I checked the time left before you admitted the prank. Brat-child! 🤣 And I love your puppy-dawg,; So cute!
Rey No. Those ladies still needed a lady’s maid to get in and out of their clothes. Thank you for a real depicting
Hi Lynn! All of that dressing and undressing looks tiring to me. I'm so glad that it's not like that to day. Thank YOU for watching.
Just got through watching this movie last night always looking forward to what you're content tells us 👍💯
Hi Crystal! Since I started making Titanic content, I have looked at the movie again a couple of times. I don't enjoy it as much as I did when it came out. I wish that more of the real passengers could have been highlighted. But I think that it's interesting that the movie has so many interesting reference points that I can still use in my videos. Thank you for watching!
My ex was a lot like him. What a disgusting coward.