The Titanic's Hidden Weakness | Disaster Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2024
- With new evidence as to why the ‘unsinkable’ Titanic sank, uncover the real truth behind the biggest maritime disaster of our time. Discover the untold story of the Titanic's demise and the lessons learned to prevent future tragedies.
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The titanic build quality was very good for the time and although she sank, she fought to the very end and even snap her back in half trying to stay afloat. The greatest disaster was the USS Californian not waking up the wireless operator after seeing the distress rockets and a ship on the horizon which wasn't moving. The titanic crew should be commended for their bravery and dedication.
Despite opening up six watertight bulkheads, Titanic took a couple hours or so to go down. Lusitania, built to Admiralty specifications, sunk in fifteen minutes.
How old is this documentary? The design and materials were impressive, having survived over 100 years in saltwater. The first ship of the same design was the Olympic. Titanic should have had taller watertight compartments.
All should be water tight, if u really want floatation
I first remember buying this documentary around 2010; as far as why the bulkheads were not taller, they designed the Titanic from the most EXPENSIVE hotels at the time. They didn’t want people to believe they were on a ship, except a high end hotel. Naturally, that illusion was gone after this incident and they literally rebuilt the Olympic and Britanic from the flaws of the Titanic. Taller bulkheads and double skin around the waterline. Ocean Liner Designs explored this evolution of Ships quite thoroughly and a channel I would heavily recommend.
What is called the "titanic" is in reality the "olympic", ol EJ Smith carried out his jesuit handlers plans, olympic was damaged badly from previous crashes and no longer insurable, white star line would take a complete loss on that ship so they changed her name over to an insured ships name and sunk her deep so they would for sure collect on the insurance, for one they should have hit the ice berg head on, the ship likely would have not sunk but they went full speed through an ice field, that's like you driving in the snow and ice with your foot all the way down on the go pedal, of course you will hit something, and EJ always intended to hit a berg, he was ordered to do so.
They said the titanic sank 96 years ago, so simple maths would mean this doco was made in 2008. In other words 16 years ago.
@@darrellhicks360 What?! Titanic had the same design as Olympic. 100% the same. Except for the lux.
The titanic was the safest ship of its time. The sinking whas not due to a design error.
yes it was , weak riverts
@@CristinaSimonsen nah, the rivets they had at the time were the highest quality
It was all because of faulty design; the watertight bulkheads weren't capped off with watertight tops so the Titanic sank like an ordinary ice cube tray. No one imagined anything worse than two breached compartments
@@fmyoung there was also a coal fire going on during the final fueling process, witch weakened the hull at the spot of impact , there's pictures they found years later that shows a darker location were the ice burg hit from scorching marks and the bulkhead near the fire was warped, the photos were found in an attic of an old person that took them as the ship was leaving harbor, i know some people say that the fire wouldn't have done enough damage but imo it probably made it easier for the burg to pernitrate the hull
@@albiedam33122nd highest quality, they talk about it in this documentary. They shouldve had number 4 rivets but opted instead for number 3 which were a poorer quality
This story will captivate many generations of people. Many coincidental occurrences plus unfortunate decisions and human hubris make this tragedy so eternally interesting AND pertinent.
Just no common sense.. no critical thinking.. just incompetence over and over and over.. Not enough training.. not enough diligence.. so much carelessness.. from start to finish.
A bit nebulous, but what realistic variable would you choose to adjust so as to mitigate matters?
The footage of the ship leaving port in the beginning is the Olympic. There is no footage of Titanic setting off on her maiden voyage. 😔
The titanic is really the olympic and visa versa, they changed the names to protect the insured.
@@PatrickBaptistthey was not the same they was a bit different from each other but you never know
@@adriantowe278 Yeah we don't really know, most of us were not even there, but who would want to eat that kinda loss? Companies sure won't, they were already bad off in the money department, as even with the loss covered that still didn't stop white star from burning as a company, they would have much sooner with the insured loss, hey I'd want to keep my homies at work with me, insurance would be the first thing most any of us wouldn't care to let suffer rather than us, insurance companies have it coming anyways, specially today.
When you learn about the occult cults that run our countries and world, it all starts making more sense why things happen the way they do. It was all planned out before the boat set sail, answers why anyone you take off in a boat with a fire in coal hold, fire at sea is a sailors worst nightmare.
@@PatrickBaptist thanks for your comment I appreciate it take care mate
I dont think that's the real Capt Smith either!
For the time it was cutting edge. In 1912 steel works was still new, they didn't know all the proprieties of steel and how it reacts to cold or heat, they didn't know about mixing metals to make them stronger. For it's time it was the strongest it could be. Olympic prooved it
Steel was made during the classical eras of Ancient China, India, and Rome.
@@allyedowd yes, but that is Sword smithing, engineering steels are quite different
They used wrought iron for the rivets.....
@@PatrickBaptist That is only on a tiny area of the ship where the machinery couldn't reach and they had to manually place them. They used steel everywhere else. And the wrought iron was for it's time good as far as they knew how it worked
@@allyedowd Steel wasn't used in ships until 20 or so years prior to Titanic...
An interesting informative new take on the matter.
Thank you for this
A leader thinks outside the box
There were options . Use the far side of the berg as an island . Photos show a flat portion on the berg , allowing passengers (wrapped up ) to take refuge
Drink brandy / strong spirits - as a depressant it would keep the body warm . The baker survived out of the water by getting wasted via strong brandy
1 - slow down and hit it frontline in the forecastle . She could float after that
2 - Smith should have never fully stopped . Whilst moving - less water is engulfed . When stopped more water plunged in , no water friction
3 - the ice burg - why not use that as an island . Photos of the berg show a flat face away from point of collision , prep the berg with mattresses / blankets (cold ). Then move passengers onto the berg , engulfed with blankets , flares . The rest on the passengers 65 per boat
for a platoon adjacent to the berg
There are no photographs known to be of the iceberg, and the ship was some distance from the berg by the time she stopped in any case.
Despite the feeling of warmth induced by alcohol ingestion, it is widely believed that alcohol actually causes a decrease in body core temperature and increases the risk of hypothermia during cold exposure.
Do you really think that any sea officer would intentially bring about a collision, when it might have been averted by swift action? You are being smart after the event.
Thank you kindly for sharing this documentary.
PSA: if you already know how Titanic sank, skip to 37:45. Spoiler below if you want to save yourself an hour. Edit, they continue to talk about how she sank even after 37:45, and there is very little about the title of the video (Titanic's hidden weakness). There is maybe 5 mins. about the title, the rest of the video is about how she sank.
Spoiler: Titanic had no. 3 iron rivets instead of no. 4 iron rivets. The no. 3 iron rivets were too weak to hold the iron plates of the hull. There, I saved you an hour. You're welcome. 🙂
Thanks
Thanks, I saw the info about cheaper, inferior rivets being used in another, older documentary - this appears to be a rip off of that. I'd like to know what year this show was made.
Thanks legend
@@glamdolly302008
Many thanks, heard rivet theory before. But how come Olympic built with same rivets survived for decades?
I don’t think hitting it head on would have mattered at that speed. No ship to this day had ever hit anything so solid and survived. It would have sheared plats off farther down than the damage believed it would have sustained.. there were the 3 ships during ww2 that hit cliffs,
The were welded and still sunk off the shallows. Even ruined the fuel tank 1/2 the id ship and ruptured them. This ship was always going to have a bad night
That's simply not true. The liner wasn't so rigid that all the hull's rivets would have instantly sheered off upon impact. The whole vessel would have absorbed the collision with the first two maybe three compartments flooding. That's not suggesting First Officer Murdock shouldn't have tried porting around the offending iceberg. He did everything he could have done, there simply wasn't enough ocean between Titanic and the berg.
@@RobbyHouseIV well considering they have done 3-D modeling. Because of the bulkheads being lower than most ships even to date. That it had a profounding effect on the way it absorbed energy. And it still sunk
After the strike head on.
But there are people that want to believe there theory that if they were in charge that the outcome would have been different. And been a silent hero in history.
But you are wrong brother. They was a firm in Japan that held the program for assignment
She had two sisters ships that survived a lot more time, the design and materials were good.
One of them, the Britannic, didn't really last that long; she began service in December 1915 and she sank in November 1916. Like the Titanic she lasted less than a year (if slightly) .
Where did this artistic profession go? Homes too! Even some of your city dwellings have from eras gone by are full of design and superb craftsmanship. Homes now are slapped up so fast that the lumber isn’t even dry yet.
Most excellent documentary. I enjoyed it. Better than others
a BIG What IF here. IF the Olympic was never caught in the accident with the HMAS Hawke, TITANIC's maiden voyage would never have been delayd and she would've sailed at her original date and never encountered the weird weather that made them not able to see the iceberg and also Never hit the iceberg
A primitive long disproved nonsense. Titanic wasn't "doomed from the first day" just like her sister ship Olympic wasn't. There wasn't any "hidden design flaw". Their steel was top notch for its time, just like Lusitania's and Mauretania's.
The only ones who responsible for her sinking were the captain and the officers, who just like most of maritime officers of that time took unacceptable risk and with infuriating hubris demonstrated by Lightoller during both the American and British inquiry thought that they have the North Atlantic "all figured out" and could cut corners.
Thankyou
"from the very day that she was designed she was almost doomed"? Except there were two other identical sister ships, one was sunk by a sea mine during WW1, the other was scrapped after a long career. Hardly doomed from their conception, especially since the Olympic was older than Titanic by at least a year and had no issues until she was scrapped.
Yes. Just another asinine quotable made for generating interest in the crapumentary.
In a way she was. The Titanic's troubles begin with her very name; Titanic is the adjective for Titan, and the Titans in Greek mythology were a race who waged war against Zeus, the so-called "god of gods." This is the part of the story that seems familiar to quite a few. The part that seems unknown to most, shipowners at the time included, is that - guess what - the Titans lost. So, the Titanic was eventually defeated by her very name, as it were - and during her maiden voyage, at that .
Thanks for sharing this resting place of 1 of our heroes. Rest in peace 🙏 farewell 🙏.
Basically once one rivet popped it was like unbuttoning a shirt it all just came apart
The rivets didn't pop, they were sheared off by the density of the ice and on a side note thousands upon thousands of the rivets were flush set rivets and thoroughly painted to make the steel appear smooth.
The White Star had what they called, 'sea trials' when they were readying these massive ships of the Olympic class for sea voyages. But such trials were usually conducted in bays, shallow waters and not at deep sea. These sea trials were for the sole purpose of passing inspection by a Board of Trade inspector who would be present onboard the ships. But such trials were of short duration.
The White Star Line should have conducted iceberg warning drills for the crew and look-outs, simulating an iceberg sighting at sea while the ship(s) were indeed in deep water, so they could time how long it would take to maneuver the ships out of the way of harm. But they did not do these things and instead, threw these boats out to sea ASAP in order to begin making their investment in them back again.
Is it fun being so wise after the event? Name any liner of the day which had conducted 'iceberg warning drills,'
Captain Smith, on his own initiative, ordered some steering trials after he left Southampton.
I don't think it was the design of Titanic why she sank as a result of an iceberg collision, More like a stream of unfortunate circumstances why 1500 lives died with the ship that night.
Why didn't they break into the locker to get the binoculars? Since when does not having a key keep people from this very important safety measure?
These binoculars were a precious tool 😂. Safety was mostly just a word back then.
The binoculars were an irrelevant red herring. Lookouts rarely used them.
From what we've read, the White Star's binoculars weren't very good...
Good thing that Frederick Fleet instantly knew what that bump on the horizon was, binocs or no
I usually like the documentaries on Wonder, and I have studied the Titanic since I was a kid, but this one just isn't very good.
You might not think this is very good, but it has a lot of truth to it. They were far too complacent They should have broke the lock on the locker to get the binoculars and not steamed full speed ahead during the middle of the night. Captain Smith sounds like he was senile and just coasting in his role as captain.
Interesting to hear about the science surrounding the Titanic sinking and possibly why more clearly in the modern world today.
This was not the largest sea disaster during world war two at the very end of it a russian sank a passenger ship which are taking people away from that area and they figure between 678 ten thousand people died on that boat
If the rules of the amount of lifeboats only demanded enough for half then I am not surprised of the effects on the solas regulation...
3:31 I hear the Titanic is the world's 6th-deepest known shipwreck at 12,467ft/3800m
All the documentaries I've seen on the ship I think the main cultures of this disaster was the captain
Cpt Smith was just so aloof
The main culprit you mean?
How the crew wasn’t held responsible for cruising at full speed through an ice field? The White Star line got out of paying any of the victims for this wonderful passage
The ship wasn't at full speed, and White Star did pay compensation. Apart from that, good points!
WS did pay for damages but the amount was whittled down to quite a bit, and then it doesn't help that in an effort to avoid lawsuits White Star sent representatives to hospitals where victims were recovering and tricked them into signing declarations that they wouldn't sue for damages in exchange for 25 pounds. That's downright obscene
Oh and they weren't quite going full-speed but they were super-close .
I remember reading how the White Star line representives showed up at the hospitals to have the victims of a unsinkable ship, sign their rights away (pretty much)
@@fmyoung 'That's downright obscene' It would have been had it been true, but the only supposed evidence was a single unsubstantiated allegation made by one person, Annie Kelly, in the Chicago Daily Journal. The allegation said $25, by the way, not £25. Of course, if you have actual evidence to the contrary, you could always present it?
Yes, of course the Company, as any other company would, defended itself in court and sought to limit the damages it was required to pay. When the cases were resolved, White Star abided by the judgements handed down.
A head to head collision with the iceberg would not have damaged more than 3 sections and the ship would still float.
Really? I doubt any sea officer of the time would have allowed such a collision when a swift course change might have avoided it completely. Do you find having the benefit of hindsight useful?
so it looks like officer Blair
didn't have much to pack
only his pyjamas 😂😂😂
He must've been super-glad about the turn of events that prevented him from ever boarding the ship. That reminds me of Alfred, Bertram and Thomas Slade, along with trimmer Alfred Penney and stokers Alfred Podesta and William Nutbean who missed the Titanic after lingering at this pub, the Grapes, a bit too long. Five days later they too must've been super-glad about this totally unexpected turn in their luck .
Only way to test if 100 % § (no matter the costs) diligence in the choice of components and materials could have saved the Titanic: Build an exact copy of the Titanic, this time with no. 4 iron rivets all the way through, crash-test it on an iceberg and see what happens
You don't think that tests done in labs. on steel and rivets made to the original specifications and proving both more than adequate for their tasks, count, then?
58:15 He… he hit him with a human extinguisher!
I found this on yet another doc: "If ismay thought that lifeboats weren’t that important then why hop into one when his ship was going down"
What leads you to think that you iknow what Ismay's views about lifeboats were?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Oooh sb 's still trying to demand respect from me here :-D;. "What leads you to think that you know what Ismay's views about lifeboats were?"
@@fmyoung Demand respect from you? When have I ever done that? I have regularly asked you simple questions, which you seem chronically incapable of answering.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 " @fmyoung "Demand respect from you? When have I ever done that? I have regularly asked you simple questions, which you seem chronically incapable of answering "
Good documentary. Not sure why everyone seems so annoyed. The Captain, Lightoller, Jack Phillips, everyone has this general negative mood before, during and after. Seems a bit odd.
What would Med Dean know , she was an infant
It’s woman and children only when the waiting passengers exceed 65- 70 . Lightholler is seriously negligent , he and ismay should have been charged . How can you only fill lifeboats with 20 people - he cost the lives of near 50 people
Barrett is true hero - watch “saving titanic” Add engineers Bell and Shephard and the young electricians . They all bought nearly an extra hour
The guarantee squad didn’t stop trying , they bough an extra 30 mins
What should Ismay & Lightoller actually have been charged with? Not dying in a shipwreck, perhaps?
By the way, Lightoller was responsible for the even numbered boats, which took 326 people, and Murdoch the odd numbered boats, which took 364.
This might sound crazy but I always think could they have put people on the iceberg and gone back for more people because they found the iceberg i don't know how long after .
I don't think it would be possible. The iceberg that struck the Titanic was probably like a mountain so it would be difficult to claim on it and of course an iceberg is cold. Frederick Fleet describe it as an iceberg with 2 pikes and it was very, but very dark that night so you wouldn't be able to see the iceberg anyway.
Yes, it does sound crazy. The iceberg and the ship were not in contact for any length of time.
We'd read about how the Captain of the Exxon Valdez managed to keep the ship from foundering completely by keeping its engine at 'dead slow ahead' against the rocks. This meant only one or two of the cargo tanks were split open, instead of all of them.
Imagine if Captain Smith (or Officer Murdoch) had had the presence of mind (and time) to back the Titanic up, nose her onto the iceberg and 'park' enough of her bow onto the berg and hold it there 'til help arrived. Maybe even to been able to patch the damage and get the pumps running to get to the nearest port...
@@chezsnailez Sorry, but the suggestion is pure fantasy.
why did it sink so quickly ? it didnt it took 2 hours 40 mins thats quite a long time. remember brittanic went down in around 20 mins and was virtually the same ship
1:33 how could they have known exactly
How heavy the iceberg was? I think there a video talking about how they were tracking that iceberg or something like that.
To all those people that died in the Titanic rest in peace😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
If the design was 'doomed' how do you explain the longevity of RMS Olympic?
What year was this documentary made?
2008
1912
@@user-jv1cz7mq3r that’s when ship sunk not when doc made
@@CristinaSimonsen the documentary is from 1912
@@Wildrover82 The disaster is from 1912, this doc is from 2008
Were those same rivets used in the Bow sections of Olympic and Brittanic? or were they changed after?. I think not, it would have taken too long, Olympic had to keep on sailing to earn money for the White Star Line to continue building the Britanic, which sadly hit a mine and sank. She was never used as a ship to sail across the Atlantic as it was converted into a Hospital Ship.by1918. The First World War.
great dialog
captain smith "its cold"
officer Murdoch "yes it is sir"
That was the kind of dialog Cpt Smith and Lightoller had too when they discussed ice precautions. They both talked like teens.
@@fmyoung Source? None, I assume.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 "Highlighted reply" here too "Source? None, I assume"
I know right Just like teens really As Walter Lord puts it in "The Night Lives On" at the end of ch. 6 "Everything was against us? The wonder is that [the Titanic] lasted as long as she did"
@@fmyoung Thank you for confirming that you read my last message.
Even if, evidently, you are unable to provide an answer to it.
Ismay really got it later...but if i saw a boat with room in it leaving............😮
He was unfairly vilified, especially on Cameron’s film. But according to witness testimony he was paramount at getting as many passengers in lifeboats as he could. I feel bad for him. The guilt destroyed his life
It seems so gross to say “over 1500 ppl died” … every person went through hell.. and every person deserves to be recognized.
You need to take a time out.
Are you suggesting the names of all 1512 that perished should have been named instead? Don't know what that would do to the run time of the documentary.
If I recall this one was from around 2009. So take it as it is I guess.
The greatest weakness of the Titanic was a captain that sailed through an ice field at too high a speed. If your ship and the lives of your passengers requires luck to make it through the ice field you slow down or stop. Let everybody enjoy themselves an extra day.
Problem was that she was on fire in the coal bunkers
@@andyb.1026 No, she wasn't. Stoker survivors testified that a fire in one of 19 bunkers had been dealt with at least a day before the collision, and that the only damage was to paintwork in the affected bunker.
Of course, you haven't read the minutes of either Inquiry, have you?
The procedure at the time was to maintain course and speed, but to alert lookouts of the need for extra vigilance. Which Smith did.
In fact several Master Mariners & Liner Captains testified that, in a similar situation, they would have acted as Captain Smith did.
But, of course, you probably haven't read the Inquiry Minutes, have you?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 No I have not read them. The procedure at the time was to slow or stop if you get ice warnings. Plus the lookouts did not even have binoculars. It was just a perfect storm of bad luck.
15:47 Somewhere between Cherbourg and Cobh, I think it was, Cpt Smith ordered a few lazy S turns to test the ship around (adjust the compasses among other things). You don't do that during a voyage with people on board Capt you do that during sea trials; that's what sea trials are for. That's not an experienced captain that's a teen. So once again Capt Smith how much did you really really know about the vessel under your feet??
Capt Smith how much did you really really know about the vessel under your feet?? A significant amount. He had, after all, captained her older sister since June, 1911.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 I know he captained the Olympic but he didn't captain her too well :-D " A significant amount. He had, after all, captained her older sister since June, 1911."
@@fmyoung I know that asking you a question and expecting a reasoned answer is rather like trying to teach my cat to play chess, but here goes:-
What makes you think that Smith didn't captain Olympic 'too well'?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 " I know that asking you a question and expecting a reasoned answer is rather like trying to teach my cat to play chess, but here goes:-
What makes you think that Smith didn't captain Olympic 'too well'? "
1:01:37 Ismay and the others turn around and look at the possibly same iceberg that the ship impacted with.
The water temperature at the time was 28° F.
The titanics only weakness was tempting God and saying "Not even God can sink it". They wrote it somewhere on the ship and it sunk. Don't tempt God.
What a pity that no one said that. Except in a movie, of course.
Her name was a weakness too. The Titans in Greek mythology were warriors that tried to overthrow the supreme god, Zeus, and - they lost! So her own name was a problem too, it's symbolic of defeat.
@@WalterKehl-p7s Look up 'Titan' in any dictionary. You will find two definitions, the relevant one being, 'one that is gigantic in size or power : one that stands out for greatness of achievement.'
By the way, fm, you don't need to use your alter ego. You have been rumbled, little chap.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 " Look up 'Titan' in any dictionary. You will find two definitions, the relevant one being, 'one that is gigantic in size or power : one that stands out for greatness of achievement.'
By the way, fm, you don't need to use your alter ego. You have been rumbled, little chap. " ....
What if, instead of shutting the engines down, after they hit the ‘berg’, they actually gave it full steam ahead in a bid to try and keep the thing up & planing in order to try and keep the ‘gash’ out of the water?
With a calm sea it shouldn’t be a problem. A choppy sea may be different.
Better to sink it within eye shot of the harbour than have it go down mid Atlantic, right?
I assume that you are joking?
Perhaps a better bet, since they were already going full astern, would be to try catch up to the berg and try to hang the bow onto it.
@@chezsnailez Hmm, might work, push the berg to port, you reckon?
@@chezsnailez You might as well suggest that the passengers should all have been told to stand at the stern, to lift the bow out of the water!
Pure fantasy.
The only thing that went well that night was the Carpathia
Had the SS Californian had it's wire system on, lmany more lives would have been saved. I didn't hear the narrator say it but wasn't it mandated that all ships must have the Marconi systems on and manned 24/7 while at sea after the Titanic sinking?
@@zsigzsag I think what the new law mandated was someone on duty in the radio room at all times .
So Titanic got a raw deal when it came to Rivets compared to her sister ships?
No. The rivets used for Titanic were the same as those used for Olympic.
Titanic disaster, sucha dreadful affair. Sinking all due to human error; captain Smith in disbelief and in shock condemned many people to die. Nothing wrong with the ship's design. She was state of the art of her day.
9400 died when the SS Gustloff sank in 1945. That's the highest lost, not Titanic.
Just when I think a NEW Documentary on the Titanic 🤗 I get cozy in my bed, lights out and prepare to drift off to sleep when it suddenly dawns on me, I'm literally narrating along with this documentary, this documentary that I've seen A MILLION TIMES!!! BAM!! Disappointment hits me like a massive iceberg as I sadly sink below my blankets. (No pun intended 😉)
Then take a sleeping pill, Doofus . . .
@@quietguy1948I would love a sleeping pill I struggle to get to sleep
There are ships that lost 5x more people than this ship. It’s not the greatest loss of people.
Not even in the top 5.. but what ever it takes to sell a story.
The worst part of this story is the had enough time to get everyone on life boats. But not enough boats to do so
True
Took an hour an half to load 13 boats. The last 1 or 2 collapsible boats were wasted because it was just too late in the sinking process.
How long would it take to load 48?
@@seanharper8488 I hear they would've been able to load 48 boats if (a) they had realized the seriousness of the situation sooner (as opposed to thinking she was unsinkable) and (b) if the crew had been more organized and both crew and passengers had lifeboat assignments (so no one lost time wondering where to go)
The greatest maratime loss in modern history was the Wilhelm Gustloff... not the freaking titanic. 30 seconds in and already total bs information
Exactly. I'm not even gonna watch the rest.
Sidenote: I've also heard the Titanic being called the worst maritime peace-time disaster, which is also not true. People keep forgetting about the Doña Paz with 4300 deaths.
@@echoplots8058 I stopped watching after 2 minutes. Couldn't stand the ammount of bs
@@AR_119 i recall a different scientist investigating the rivets not this woman.. back in the 90s
@@user-nv1gm2zj7y YES! I saw that original documentary too, this is a rip off.
Yeah and there was another one also..but i.m not sure of the name ..was it the empress of Ireland maybe...I feel my memory at 70 rusting away like the ships...😮😮
I don't think the crew in the time they had could've launched 48 boats ,they barely had enough time to launch the 16 they had ....... would have more lives been saved? Possibly,the Women and Children first order would more than likely not have given, therefore men would have been given an opportunity to go with their wives, family etc.,all speculation of course.The loss of life would still have been high.
alot of mistakes.......but they should of paid attention to the ice warnings
RIP To all those who perished on the morning of April 15th1912 , Thank God tragedies like this are basically a thing of the past and we have Health and Safety standards now to ensure this doesn't happen again. Both enquiries where a white wash in my opinion .
_Thank God tragedies like this are basically a thing of the past and we have Health and Safety standards now to ensure this doesn't happen again. Both enquiries where a white wash in my opinion_
• _snirks in Costa Concordian_ •
Incompetence was the only reason Titanic sank? It would most likely have never happened otherwise??
Their was a video I seen yrs ago saying it was the Olympic bc the . Titanic wasn't ready.
Don't believe everything you see.
The switch theory you mean?
Poor quality rivets, and the California shutting down it's wireless, not enough life boat's.
The Titanic and her sister-ships were well design at the time. In fact, the Olympic, her older sister, survive a collision with the H.M.S. Hawke in September 1911 who was design to sink other ships
the titanic is falling apart and being dissolved by metal eating organisms
Weekness was William Murdoch
Why, exactly?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Had he left the engines full ahead he could have steered around
@@ronaldschultenover8137 I have heard that suggested, but there is no way of proving it. I suspect that he acted exactly as any other mariner in his position was likely to have done.
This is the same documentary as
Who Sank the Titanic.😮
Αν έπεφτε πάνω στο παγόβουνο αντί να στρίψει αριστερά και το διέλυσε δεν θα είχε γίνει η ζημιά...Αυτή είναι η γνώμη μου Ετσι !!!!
The first of the four Pipes was for fresh air, it had not an engine below.... do your homework!
The 4th funnel was not connected to the engines, but was used for, among other things, ventilation. Perhaps you might do your own homework?
This was NOT the worst disaster in maritime history. Not even close. By comparison, the Wilhelm Gustloff took nearly 10,000 people with her to the bottom of the ocean.
It's not the worst disaster but the Titanic stands out bc of certain factors such as being the largest man-made movable object of her time, being on her maiden voyage and a few other reasons
@@fmyoung Agreed, but the narrator clearly described it as being the worst disaster in maritime history. It was definitely one of the most tragic, but not the "worst."
@@dalemunschy4103 Oh okay so you can go and tell the uploader :-) .
0:37 “The greatest maritime loss in human history”.. That should be enough to know that this so called documentary is a load of bull..!
This is a waste of time there weren't any weaknesses of the titanic she was bult with the best materials of her time it was a combination of bad timing and luck
She really was. Aside from enough lifeboats. Look how well she still looks. Obviously she's being eaten and eroded away but the fact that the ship looked this good for so long is a testament to her builders
People forget that materials used compared to today would be inferior. But for her time, the iron used WAS good. It's just now we know how to find impurities.
That isn’t true. There are multiple documentaries about how they used weaker iron for the rivets.
@@brynnharris-hamm1321 and theyre called conspiracy theorists
It always floors me how tragedy after tragedy humans still make the same mistakes of preferring luxury over safety. So many people have died because of that thinking. When will we learn?
We won’t. We will never learn.
What about the fire 🔥🔥🔥 in the coal???
The fire which had been extinguished around a day before the collision? The fire which damaged nothing except bunker paintwork? That fire?
She wasnt weak she was beautiful & just takes an icberg to sink her & thats it
When rich people say stuff like God his self couldn’t sink this 🚢 and guess what he handled that
Just as well 'rich people' didn't say that (except, perhaps, in a movie) wasn't it, then?
He jinxed it.. God/Allah is always watching 🤲
@@paulfri1569 Do you really believe that he is cruel enough to kill 1500+ people because od something someone allegedly said?. Especially when no-one actually said it?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 May God/Allah bless you always 🤲
This was NOT the greatest loss of modern maritime history! There were larger ones!
wilhelm gustloff was the higest dead number
So when does Jack and Rose get brought up? 😂
Fun fact: It was recently discovered deep within the wreckage that even after the ship broke in half and plunged 2 miles to bottom of the ocean the Titanics swimming pool is still full of water even after all these years. Amazing feat of engineering even by todays standards.
Toilets are clogged up, though...
If the 48 life boats were available, at a 65 person capacity, every soul on board would have survived
Not really- they would have had to load and launch them- and as the flubbed launching 16, it’s unlikely they’d have succeeded with 48.
Not really, as there was nowhere near enough time to launch 48 boats.
There would've been time if everyone had been more organized
@@WalterKehl-p7s No, there wouldn't. As it was the last two collapsibles floated off as she sank.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 " No, there wouldn't. As it was the last two collapsibles floated off as she sank. " ....
Why didn’t they simply seal the top of the bulk heads… problem solved.
Name any liner in existence that had sealed bulkheads. The Board of Trade had regulations concerning the number of lifeboats and the minimum height of compartment bulkheads. The Olympics comfortably exceeded both.
Ismay didn't feel like investing the money for that .
@@WalterKehl-p7s Using your alter ego doesn't alter the crassness of your comments, fm. The Olympics were the most expensive civilian ships built in any British shipyard up to 1911.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 " Using your alter ego doesn't alter the crassness of your comments, fm. The Olympics were the most expensive civilian ships built in any British shipyard up to 1911. "
@@WalterKehl-p7s Well done buddy
They should have let my wife sale the ship iceberg would not have stud a chance
Wilhelm Gustlov was the highest amount of Civilians drown from a single sinking.
Just saying.
Except that many of the dead were military personnel.
It's an utter disgrace people believing myths, that ship was doomed right from the start!
In a way she was. The Titanic's troubles begin with her very name; Titanic is the adjective for Titan and the Titans in Greek mythology were a race who waged war against Zeus, the so-called "god of gods." This is the part of the story that seems familiar to quite a few. The part that seems unknown to most, shipowners at the time included, is that - guess what - the Titans lost. So, the Titanic was eventually defeated by her very name, as it were - and during her maiden voyage, at that .
Really? Why, then, wasn't Olympic similarly 'doomed'?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 because that's life!
@@user-ze9yr2jb1e No rational answer, then?
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Ismay was not a coward at all he was actually helping passengers onto lifeboats and was essentially thrown into the boat as it was being lowered by a crew member he didn't jump into a place he was pushed into one only after helping several women and children off the ship
The main accusations against Ismay is not cowardice. I am not talking about media. I don't care about media and neither should you. I am talking about the inquiries which is all I care about.
He is accused of;
(1) making a decision to reduce the proposed number of lifeboats from 48 to 16 (plus 4 collapsibles) according to the TESTIMONY at the British inquiry by the chief designer Carlisle. And lowering the proposed bulkheads.
Yes this was on point in relation to the Board of Trade regulations. But having enough davits on the ship to carry 48 lifeboats (3 per davit) strongly suggests that the White Star Line believed that the regulations would be changed during the lifetime of the Titanic. This was all about money. Having less lifeboats made the ship more hotel like. More attractive to 1st class passengers. While having enough davits to carry 48 lifeboats means no refit necessary when the BOT rules change.
(2) Giving hostile and inaccurate testimony to the US inquiry. He claimed to be a private passenger despite getting a free ticket and giving direct orders to officers (by his own testimony). He claimed to know nothing about ice despite having an ice warning in his pocket. He claimed to never having talked to Captain Smith about the speed of the ship despite giving detailed information about the speed at each stage/day of the voyage.
This is what he is accused of. Ismay crybabies always try to deflect by claiming he wasn't coward or that he helped women into lifeboats. I repeat, he was never accused of cowardice by the inquiries.
@@fiachramaccana280 I don’t really care what your opinion is you’re free to it I was stating an opinion of my own plain and simple take it or leave it
Well he along with other shipowners knew deep down that it was wrong to not supply boats for all and shipowners at the time talked Board of Trade members into not mandating boats for all in favor of certain 1st-class amenities. He lied at the Senate hearings; he said he had no knowledge about the ice warnings and that he didn't know about the Titanic's speed. Plus on the Carpathia he sent a message to White Star in New York asking them to hold this ship, the Cedric, until he and the crew came so they could go back home to England as soon as possible. That message in itself already looked like an effort to evade US authorities. He made it all look worse by signing it "Yamsi" his last name spelled backwards. And then it didn't help his image that in an effort to avoid lawsuits White Star sent representatives to hospitals where victims were recovering and tricked them into signing declarations that they wouldn't sue for damages in exchange for 25 pounds. That's downright obscene
@@fmyoung they actually met the safety standard of the time yes it was wrong to not have enough boats but it actually met the standard so maybe some blame lies with maritime rules and those who make them if they had stated that the number of boats has to match everyone on board they would’ve followed them but they didn’t say that
@@MrDannyboyhall Hmm yes I guess then that some blame also lies with Board of Trade members for allowing shipowners to talk them into not mandating full lifeboat capacity
The moment someone said unsinkable.
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Human hubris at its absolute finest.
Actually there was only one ad that had the "unsinkable" claim.
@@lisaw8741: That may be true but it has been made clear over the century since the sinking occurred that many people actually bought into that particular piece of propaganda - including those responsible for building and operating her.
@@lisaw8741 fascinating 🤨
"The greatest maritime loss in modern history" Stopped watching after that idiotic statement,,
Far too many people bought into the propaganda of the ship's "unsinkability," and basically built and operated the ship fat, dumb and happy. That was the true fatal flaw.
The ship wasn't claimed unsinkable really actually, it was considered "as unsinkable as a ship can be" but people took it the wrong way, the ship was designed very welly for the time and it exceeded the life boat limit in fact, the law for number of life boats based on tonnage was out of date at the time.
@@saturnalis8813: Hence the quote marks around 'unsinkability.' People are always apt to misunderstand and simplify when it comes to extraordinary claims like that.
The fact that the law failed to keep pace with passenger numbers and tonnage is itself criminal.
@@anjakellenjeter Well it was also 1912 so they weren't 100% aware and plus as I stated they exceeded the legal limit, they actually added more lifeboats then they originally wanted
you never call a ship unsinkable. Nature will take that as a challenge
The iceberg - or, for that matter, nature - took it personally that the ship was labeled unsinkable
I found this comment here too on the other doc "If you think your ship is unsinkable, what will happen is the unthinkable."
I found this comment here on the other doc "If you think your ship is unsinkable, what will happen is the unthinkable."
God/Allah takes it personally also..
Nothing wrong with the ship, it's the responsibility of the captain to keep everyone safe and he didn't. He tried to set a record for transatlantic crossing. Traveling at 23 knots at knight in 1912 was carelessness.
through an ice field you had received numerous warnings about.
Absolutely no point in trying for any record with a ship too slow to do so.
No matter what, it was an insurace fraud! And you know it!
What me actually know, those of us with actual knowledge, that is, is that both Olympic & Titanic cost, at 1911 monetary levels, £1.5 million to build, and both were insured for £1 million.
Thus, we also know that, when Titanic sank, White Star lost a major asset, their safety record, and £500,000
Please explain how this fraud you claim actually benefitted anyone, except perhaps Cunard?
the weakness was the guy driving....
i think they tested the steel and rivets from a piece they pulled up and it was defective. The rivets and steel had to much phosphorus in them
@@shortdog3509 one of the sister ships made it all the way to the scrap yard after a long life..i wonder if they had to refit it?
@@MikeHunt-fo3ow That was the Olympic she went through a substantial refit in 1919
So many videos ruined by metric.
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