The Titanic Of The Great Lakes: What Really Sunk The SS Edmund Fitzgerald?

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  • Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2024
  • The SS Edmund Fitzgerald was the pride of the Great Lakes when she was launched in 1958. The freighter spent almost 20 years in service before tragically sinking in 1975, taking the lives of all 29 crew members with it.
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Комментарии • 199

  • @elfpimp1
    @elfpimp1 23 дня назад +28

    The Ballad of the Edmund Fitzgerald at the end brought back a flood of memories from that year. My Mom and stepdad and neighbors talked about it for the entire fall and winter that year and we even talked aboit it when we went camping the following summer. Rest in peace my fellow sailors. Rest in peace.

    • @lendalejohnson4866
      @lendalejohnson4866 18 дней назад +2

      Was just about to comment the same thing. Great close to the video.

  • @moniquemcpherson6927
    @moniquemcpherson6927 12 дней назад +13

    Gordon Lightfoot's narration of the Fitzgerald sends chills through me - it is a haunting song.

  • @Als-lb5kb
    @Als-lb5kb Месяц назад +52

    I'm born and raised in michigan and it still amazing everytime I see one on the great lakes. With the mackinac bridge it gets so bad with the wind they will offer an escort car or even shut the bridge down cause it gets so bad. They have had cars get blown off in the past. I consider Lake michigan and lake superior the fresh water Bering sea especially October-march you never know what weather you will get and you can get some monster waves out of nowhere. Beautiful but need to respect them and the water is always freezing

    • @sub-zero710
      @sub-zero710 Месяц назад

      That last part is not entirely true. I go swimming in Lake Michigan every 4th of July. How could I do that if the water is always freezing?

    • @uniform131
      @uniform131 Месяц назад +2

      @@Als-lb5kb you are right about that bridge, I’ve driven over it, walked it, flown over it , patrolled under it and it made me nervous each time. I don’t know about Lake Michigan, that’s located south of Superior and Huron, but Superior, the St Mary’s River and Huron, the water is freezing year round. The only water colder is the North Pacific but my children swam in both areas, children will swim any chance they get, they don’t care how cold the water is 😂

    • @imfknradio9978
      @imfknradio9978 11 дней назад

      @@sub-zero710depends on where youre at. Southern lake Michigan can get warm, same with Lake Erie, Huron and Ontario. Superior on the other hand is known as the "lake that doesnt give up her dead" because its so cold, the bacteria that decays human flesh cant form

  • @Bethlam
    @Bethlam 24 дня назад +10

    If you don’t live near the Great Lakes you can’t understand the sheer power these lakes old. Most people hear “Lake” and think how bad can a lake wave be? Lake Michigan scares the crap out of me due to its riptides and even the power of mild waves. Lake Huron and Lake Erie are a bit calmer but you can NEVER underestimate the Great Lakes. They act far more like oceans than lakes.

  • @Blaine10024
    @Blaine10024 Месяц назад +12

    REALLY GREAT documentary! Although we often acquiesce that the gales of November came early, it really comes down to one universal truth: The awesome power of nature doesn't tire, doesn't stop, doesn't feel.

  • @katnick21
    @katnick21 2 дня назад +1

    I was 10 years old and living in the Sault, I will never forget that storm!

  • @jimolson8424
    @jimolson8424 21 день назад +11

    The Anderson made it. Then went back to look for the crew.
    Still a working ship today.

    • @350mack
      @350mack 19 дней назад +1

      Fitz would of made it to whitefish bay if they had of put 15 more miles behind her 😢

  • @24934637
    @24934637 24 дня назад +4

    The loss of this ship is one situation that even my vivid imagination can't give me an adequate mental image of the last few minutes that the crew experienced. I'm very thankful of that!

  • @uniform131
    @uniform131 Месяц назад +24

    Good grief! I was stationed at Coast Guard Base Sault Ste Marie, there is a freighter next to the base, the Valley Camp, turned into a museum. In the bottom of her, there are items from the Edmond Fitzgerald, a marker buoy and one of her lifeboats. Both those items were crushed and twisted, the lifeboat looked like someone squished it then pulled back out and twisted it. Water is a powerful force that can literally destroy anything in its way.

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 Месяц назад +2

      @@uniform131 I was there last week. It had to have been the Fitzgerald’s prop that chewed up those lifeboats.

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад +2

      @@jetcat132that doesnt make sense. If it was on the surface long enough to get into boats they would have mayday called

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 Месяц назад +2

      @@TheMainLead It makes all the sense in the world. There was no way those boats were ever going to be launched in those seas, and they weren’t. During the wreck, those two boats were probably dragged under still attached to their davits. The water pressure and violence of the seas tore them loose from their davits but it’s likely they were dragged under still attached to their lines, twisting and trailing the boat as she went under.
      Expedition '94 located a knotted line or rope draped over the propeller shoe and leading into the hub of the 19-foot (diameter) four blade propeller. Speculation is that the line came from one of the lifeboats, where it was stored for use by sailors as a means of climbing aboard. That is a good indicator that the lifeboats may have been pulled into the still churning prop as she went down, chopped up by her blades, and spit out in the condition they were found.
      We’ll never know for sure, but if you’ve been there and seen those boats, you would see that it makes a lot of sense.

    • @normpaddle
      @normpaddle День назад

      ​@@jetcat132lifeboat 1 was found NE of Caribou. It came off earlier and was banging against the Fitz and someone may have thought to cut it lose but were told not to go outside.

  • @gwenwheeler1248
    @gwenwheeler1248 Месяц назад +12

    I've been in parhs of tornadoes, and hurricanes ,so not many storms make me nervous. The remainder of the storm came through central/upstate ny. That storm had a sound, a feel,that was undesirable ,also a life-force, a mind of its own,alive somehow

  • @chucker625
    @chucker625 Месяц назад +38

    What people don't realize about the Fitz is that she was 729' long and sank in 500 feet of water. There's about 200' of hull that is missing and an impact trench under the bow. She ran aground at 6 fathom shoal. Started taking on water. Then she was driven under by two rogue waves that ran stern to bow. The crew probably didn't even realize it was over until the bow hit bottom. At that point, there was still about 150' of stern sticking out of the water. The mid-part of the hull collapsed and disintegrated under the weight. The screw kept turning until the stern flipped over and landed on the bottom. That is the most realistic sequence of events.

    • @nw8000
      @nw8000 Месяц назад +1

      I agree the documentary producers are covering their A$$

    • @SUSTHUNDER-i6s
      @SUSTHUNDER-i6s 24 дня назад

      So the rogue waves were 'the straw that broke the camels back'.

    • @benjlar1902
      @benjlar1902 19 дней назад +2

      @@SUSTHUNDER-i6s essentially. those waves were backed by the captain of the anderson

  • @gregorylyon1004
    @gregorylyon1004 Месяц назад +63

    We will probably never know with absolute certainty why the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. I have always thought that she hit bottom on six fathom Shoal.

    • @alexlindsey6446
      @alexlindsey6446 Месяц назад +6

      me too

    • @maegenyoungs2591
      @maegenyoungs2591 Месяц назад +7

      But we know now that 6 was a halfass zero of 10 ..
      So it definitely never came close to the bottom.
      There isn’t 6 fathoms with miles of reported strike area or path it took.
      I think it partially broke on the surface.
      They could reverse engineer the placement and bending of metal to determine. If we could figure out the titanic this should be much easier

    • @BigfootEvidence_Channel
      @BigfootEvidence_Channel Месяц назад

      👋👍

    • @robertredmon6387
      @robertredmon6387 Месяц назад +6

      ​@maegenyoungs2591 look if it broke apart on the surface the wreckage would been further spread apart then it was it was overloaded riding about 4ft lower than it should have been she had strike bottom because how do explain fence railings down and vents missing

    • @jimhall1095
      @jimhall1095 Месяц назад +4

      No sign of contact on the hull or anywhere in that area of the shoal.

  • @tbluewhalea2402
    @tbluewhalea2402 27 дней назад +4

    I've researched the Edmund Fitzgerald for many years, and to this day I believe that the Edmund Fitzgerald was struck by a rogue wave because when I look at the wreck, I see damage from waves from the storm. I know what it's like to be in a huge storm. I grew up living next to the ocean here in Alaska and I've been in a storm. The storm I was in happened in 2007 and I was only 16 years old at the time. My dad and I went camping with some friends of ours behind some islands in Alaska known as the Chiswell Islands. At the time we were using my dad's landing craft her name was Janet May. A day after we left port a radio report came in about a huge storm in our path. We were looking at 16-foot to 25-foot-tall waves with hurricane-force winds up to 72 mph. it was a really bad storm. So, my dad had a choice to make either way hang out there for a few days till it calms down or I would say the heck with it and drive right through it. And of course, my dad chose to drive right through the storm, and by a miracle, we made it home. We did lose the radio antenna, but it was all worth it to get back home. The reason why my dad wanted to drive right through the storm is because at the time we had 200 pounds of fish on board. We didn't want it to let it spoil and feed to the birds. We wanted to go back home and make a bunch of good meals out of it.

  • @bowslap
    @bowslap Месяц назад +9

    I firmly believe that conditions aboard the Edmund Fitzgerald were far more dire than they alluded to….the “hot mic” moment of Capt. McSorely admonishing the officers to “don’t let anyone out on deck” overheard by the Arthur M. Anderson, plus the discovery of one of the pilot house doors being dogged OPEN.
    No one in their right mind would want to face the full fury of a November gale on Lake Superior unless things were looking pretty grim aboard the ship.
    Had the rogue waves/3 sisters that hit the Anderson NOT hit the Fitzgerald? I believe they MIGHT’VE made Whitefish Bay, but not much further past Whitefish Point before having to beach the ship.

  • @timm1139
    @timm1139 Месяц назад +2

    I have no idea why this story hits me so hard. Maybe because it was one of the first major tragedies I heard about as a kid & the song.

  • @teaeff8898
    @teaeff8898 Месяц назад +6

    It’s interesting they mentioned the Cuyahoga when her sister ship the Michipicoten suffered a hull failure (13ft crack) this summer on June 10th 2024.
    THUNDER BAY - A massive crack has been found in the hull of the Michipicoten, the ship that limped into Thunder Bay on the weekend after water started pouring into it on Lake Superior.
    Divers have found a four-metre-long crack during an underwater inspection conducted at Keefer Terminal, where the vessel is now tied up.
    "This appears to be a result of fatigue/structural failure," a spokesperson for the Transportation Safety Board of Canada told TBnewswatch in an email Monday.

  • @napalmstickylikeglue
    @napalmstickylikeglue 23 дня назад +4

    The cause of this tragedy needs to be changed. It was not the fault of those brave men. It was the fault of the company who directed them to carry more than they should have. This is probably one of the best explanations for what happened.

    • @moniquemcpherson6927
      @moniquemcpherson6927 8 дней назад +1

      @napalmstickylikeglue I heard the Fitz had too much cargo anoard for her design.

  • @Lisa1111
    @Lisa1111 Месяц назад +20

    The bottom line is that the sea will always win.

    • @caroleminke6116
      @caroleminke6116 Месяц назад +3

      Nothing is unsinkable

    • @GhostFire455
      @GhostFire455 Месяц назад +3

      The search never gives up her dead

    • @lsudx479
      @lsudx479 Месяц назад +3

      This is a lake, you dope! 🤣

    • @Lisa1111
      @Lisa1111 Месяц назад

      I bet you're always the first one invited to a party. 🤣

    • @bethanyhait6880
      @bethanyhait6880 28 дней назад

      @@lsudx479she always wins too

  • @gregobern6084
    @gregobern6084 Месяц назад +5

    Good sound effects, hearing Gordon Lightfoot for the millionth time, all the usual suspects ripping on each other's opinion, this is another great Fitzgerald video worthy of a special film acadamy award category: best shipwreck video

    • @gregobern6084
      @gregobern6084 Месяц назад +1

      every convenience store , souvenir knick knack shop surrounding the Great Lakes sells shipwreck/, ghost stories publications. The Fitz is still a money maker.

  • @imfknradio9978
    @imfknradio9978 11 дней назад +2

    Born and Raised in Pontiac, Edmund Fitzgerald hit the bottom. The waves were so high and the water was so shallow, that when she smacked down she sunk further than the water that remained. The Bow crashed into the lake bed and the stern folded overtop. They didnt even know what happened

  • @joeljenkins2876
    @joeljenkins2876 6 дней назад +1

    Listening to the young captain talk about the pressures encountered as a ship captain, it seems that the same mindset that has so many times been the UNDOING/DEMISE of 'dispensable' workers, is STILL AT WORK. As always, the 'almighty buck' reigns supreme. When will we ever learn?

  • @Canuck13
    @Canuck13 6 дней назад

    I personally know the captain who was on the only other ship close to the Edmund Fitzgerald that fateful night in November. His name is Errol Boyd. Errol is now in his mid 80’s. He has recounted his recollection of that terrifying night to me many times. He said he was sure his ship was going to founder too. I seem to recall that Errol did receive an SOS call from the Edmund Fitzgerald because he cries every time. He knew his ship was also possibly go down too and he could do nothing to save the crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald. I live in Collingwood Ontario on Georgian Bay. Collingwood was a ship building town and my uncle, Morley Ford, was Chief Engineer of the Collingwood shipyards. My mother worked in the payroll office there. Gordon Lightfoot immortalized this story in his famous song. I know first hand of these horrific storms on the Great Lakes. Thank you.

  • @deang1004
    @deang1004 6 дней назад +1

    I am reading the US Coastguard report right now. It seems that this documentary is not reporting the findings correctly. The report on the hatch covers blames the ship operator for not having proper procedures in place for the maintenance of the hatch covers. There is also a huge amount of the ship missing. And that the damage was probably more severe than the captain indicated. The report clearly states that the ship broke up as it sank or that is broke up hitting the bottom. All of this is misrepresented in the documentary.

  • @notsomadscientist9602
    @notsomadscientist9602 25 дней назад

    Very well done! I absolutely love great lake ships! What an awesome video!

  • @regould221
    @regould221 Месяц назад +4

    I believe that one of the air vents on the deck, near the bow, broke off and opened a 3ft wide hole on the deck. This allow large amounts of water to flow into the ship with every wave that washed over the decks and made the ship heavy to the bow. Then a rogue wave hit the stern of the ship, raising the stern up and the bow down, Because of the extra weight of the water the bow went under water and the forward motion of the ship drove the bow to the bottom. This would have happened so fast the crew wouldn't be able to send a mayday. The bow could have hit the bottom when the stern was still at the surface. When the bow hit the bottom and stopped something had to give at that would be the mid section that looks like it blew up. I doubt a surface break up because the two halves ended up so close together on the bottom. A surface breakup would have had the 2 halves floating and sinking at different rates and the 2 halves would have ended up farther apart, like the Titanic.

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад

      The titanic bow and stern are not that far apart when you consider the jews blew it up on the surface and it drifted done almost 3 miles

    • @gregobern6084
      @gregobern6084 Месяц назад +1

      The engine turning at full speed, torque twisted the Fitzgerald , ripped and shredded the middle third of that shakey old tub with the bow planted in the mud

    • @regould221
      @regould221 Месяц назад

      @@gregobern6084 Which would mean it didn't break apart on the surface.

    • @chucker625
      @chucker625 Месяц назад

      The pumps could have kept up with a 3 foot hole in the deck so I doubt that is case. It is more likely that she ran aground at 6 fathom shoal and broke her back. It was only a matter of time after that point. The rogue waves just accelerated the process.

  • @JohnShields-xx1yk
    @JohnShields-xx1yk Месяц назад +4

    The huge plate covers weren't water tight, those were bolted down, but they probably weren't screwed all the way tight. Big waves, leaking hatches, it's over. Gordon's amazing song made this famous throughout the world.

    • @BonnieDragonKat
      @BonnieDragonKat Месяц назад

      News flash Gordon Lightfoot wrote his song after reading a Newsweek article that came out before the ship was found they were only surmising what could have happened went down with the ship.

    • @kimberlyalcauter7094
      @kimberlyalcauter7094 Месяц назад

      They knew a storm was coming when they left Superior, so they DEFINITELY would have secured the hatch clamps tight. And their first mate, John McCarthy was a stickler for those kinds of things so no doubt in my mind, the hatch clamps were all on and all tightened down.

    • @chucker625
      @chucker625 Месяц назад

      Hatch clamps were not the culprit. That is pretty widely accepted at this point.

  • @BigfootEvidence_Channel
    @BigfootEvidence_Channel Месяц назад +3

    Great video 👋👍

  • @graemeguthrie8758
    @graemeguthrie8758 25 дней назад +1

    taconite absorbs water and will retain most of its moisture content. they were hualing their max wet weight when they left the dock, it weighed almost twice as much as it did empty, once a ship exceeds its displacement its basically bound to fail. every ship has an exact thresh hold.

  • @nw8000
    @nw8000 Месяц назад

    This is what you have been waiting for @41:10 I wish there was a Sim of this for my PC!

  • @ronosga4391
    @ronosga4391 Месяц назад +4

    I think her keel broke with the first rouge wave and the second lifted her stern and flipped it over. If she took a nose dive in one piece the piolet house would probably have been blown off the ship. Plus that much weight sliding forward and hitting the bottom the bow of the ship would be unidentifiable. It would make sense if that happened because the cargo rapidly sliding out of the bow section would create a suction and compress the hatch seals, allowing the clamps to unlatch. Plus this would explain the taconite piled on top of the bow section, as it spilled from the upside down stern section. Whether she bottomed out is a question that has an answer, but is being held back. Some say there was red hull paint on the shoal, but with the reduced free board due to relaxed Coast Guard regulations they don't want that information released. The other issue is a 729' ship doing a nose dive in 530' of water would likely leave her prop out of the water. Recovering her log book, which you would think would have been a priority on the first dives, is now conveniently prohibited. Although any incriminating information would probably have been left out of the log book, because they felt their ship would get them home. The idea that we will never know is hard to believe with technology we have today.

    • @charlestorruella8591
      @charlestorruella8591 Месяц назад

      SO YOUR AN EXPERT NOW ARE YOU......REMINDS ME OF A CHILD TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUT JUST PRETEND

    • @ronosga4391
      @ronosga4391 Месяц назад +1

      @@charlestorruella8591 If you read, it clearly says "I think" to a normal person this means this is my opinion. To have an opinion does not mean you think you're an expert or a know it all. It simply means by taking in all the available information including talking with guys who worked on her and knew all the issues she had, this is simply the best explanation I can arrive at from all the facts, run along now adults are speaking.

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад +2

      @@charlestorruella8591you literally cannot operate the caps lock button and you are calling other people children 😂

  • @Nature_guurrll
    @Nature_guurrll 25 дней назад +1

    The question is why the (older)Anderson did not go down in the same storm while in the vicinity of the Fitzgerald...seems like the Fitz was loaded too heavy to handle the storm.

  • @SlickMopar
    @SlickMopar 9 дней назад

    What gets me is the captain of the Anderson who also went through the same storm , and even turned back around, went looking for the Fitzgerald said it was rough but manageable had no clue what happened to the Fitzgerald either. We may never really know what actually sank her😓

  • @ajbianchi85
    @ajbianchi85 19 дней назад

    I was on lake champlain in a storm once and thought i was gonna die, couldn’t imagine what Lake Superior is like

  • @neilrutt6888
    @neilrutt6888 26 дней назад

    Alright I’ll listen to the song again

  • @Kevin-Murphy-007
    @Kevin-Murphy-007 29 дней назад

    We sometimes forget that water is and can be a very powerful and destructive hydraulic force. Stronger than steel, and even rocks can be warn away. I have seen water, used as a hydraulic, cut through a very thick piece of steel. Unbelievable force.

  • @justaperson8560
    @justaperson8560 Месяц назад +2

    The deck rails which were chains had broken on one side not the vents

  • @david_bernhardt
    @david_bernhardt 3 часа назад

    Great film. Still one question not really addressed: why was she taking on water and listing when overcome by the rogue waves? I think it’s because she hit the reef.

  • @stynger_OO7
    @stynger_OO7 Месяц назад

    Like Edward Smith of Titanic, McSorley was also due to retire after the run.

  • @Quacks0
    @Quacks0 2 дня назад

    33:22 Shortly before the Fitzgerald sank, the Arthur M. Anderson warned the Fitzgerald that three rogue waves were headed their way.

  • @wademchenry1560
    @wademchenry1560 7 дней назад

    Many years of overloading and overspeeding caused stress fractures.
    It filled up then submerged just like a submarine then hit bottom and broke in two.

  • @shawnkeith1164
    @shawnkeith1164 19 дней назад

    If the Fitz broke up on the surface it would be the only instance of a *loaded* freighter breaking up on the surface, to my knowledge. Many frieghters riding in ballast have succumbed to hull fractures.

  • @stuartaaron613
    @stuartaaron613 Месяц назад

    There must have been some serious problems with the Edmund Fitzgerald the day that she sank. Consider that the Arthur M. Anderson sailed on the lake the same day, through the same storm in the same conditions and did not sink. Also, the Anderson didn't lose her radars, didn't have her fence railings break, and didn't ship water. Also, the Anderson was an older ship than the Fitzgerald, and so would have probably not been as good condition as Fitzgerald (although her earlier 1975 rebuilding which added 120 feet to her length may have also had been used to give her a general overhaul which the Fitzgerald may not have had).

  • @boataxe4605
    @boataxe4605 12 дней назад +1

    The Titanic of the Great Lakes is the Eastland, 844 people died.

  • @timferguson1593
    @timferguson1593 2 дня назад

    People aren't listening to Cspt. Cooper of the S.S. Arthur M. Anderson. He was there. Go watch his interview. He tells you what happened

  • @hunterkiller86
    @hunterkiller86 Месяц назад +1

    The big Fitz went down because of the weather.

  • @patrickdempsey7952
    @patrickdempsey7952 19 дней назад

    Water was getting into the holds of the Edmund Fitzgerald. McSorley reported a list and that he was running his bilge pumps. If water was getting into the holds, the taconite would have absorbed a lot of the that water making the bilge pumps less effective as the now saturated cargo would have dangerously overloaded the ship. I believe the Edmund Fitzgerald eventually simply lost buoyancy due to being overloaded, which overturned her on the surface dumping her cargo the flipping effect of which would have instantly killed all hands from these tremendous centrifugal forces. Once the cargo was dropped, she righted herself the force of which caused her to break in half. There is no evidence the hull was breached from shoaling or some other damage, so the only remaining possibility for water getting in the holds is the hatches.

  • @JoePro
    @JoePro 24 дня назад

    As soon as I clicked on this video, I knew I was going to hear some Gordon Lightfoot at some point.

  • @carolinawestern3875
    @carolinawestern3875 15 дней назад

    I can't say if I think it broke on the surface or bottom. Both are possible. But I believe it was a combination of things that sank her. Invited by constant overloading and a weakened, vulnerable hull. Obvious by the broken fence rail. Prior to sinking.

  • @wesleythompson4520
    @wesleythompson4520 21 день назад

    We need to recover the log book for some answers.. The middle of the ship broke up I think she bottomed out at 6 Fathom shoal.. Diving isn’t allowed grave yard or not people want answers.

  • @calvinthedestroyer
    @calvinthedestroyer Месяц назад

    36:00 "he's been married for many years" poor Al Bundy..

  • @TrapperAaron
    @TrapperAaron Месяц назад

    The witch of November is what took her down.

  • @JohnLorenz-p6b
    @JohnLorenz-p6b 5 дней назад

    #1. What's with all of the meter and kilometer talk?? #2. Spraying water at a hatch doesn't take its account of the flexing and twisting the ship was doing at the time.

  • @trenttinsley5499
    @trenttinsley5499 2 дня назад

    The crew: I can’t wait to make it to whitefish bay!
    My brother in Christ the gales of November have come early

  • @johnmuehlbauer
    @johnmuehlbauer 11 дней назад

    I know that this video isn't the end all beat all but it definitely opens the door to the possibility of the fact that it was the fault of the crew. As usual, this appears to be just one more situation of corporate greed and overloading the capacity of the Edmund Fitzgerald and an unpredictable storm to rip this ship in half and, horrifically, sink and kill 29 souls. Yes, I know stuff happens but overloading this freighter at that particular time of year knowing the potential weather history . . .🤔
    Sad doesn't describe this wreck. Should've never happened and the families of the crew more than likely were screwed by the system!

  • @barrymccockineer9945
    @barrymccockineer9945 3 часа назад

    Thought it was declared a burial ground so diving the wreck is illegal?

  • @claire33ist
    @claire33ist 12 часов назад

    49 years!

  • @herbertmichaels2841
    @herbertmichaels2841 26 дней назад

    When the witch of November comes stealin

  • @Patricklane37
    @Patricklane37 Месяц назад

    I did a video on the wreck of the edmund Fitzgerald

    • @charlestorruella8591
      @charlestorruella8591 Месяц назад

      Oh great more clout why does everyone want to use people's death for clout

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад

      @@charlestorruella8591you have no clout

    • @stevedonley9139
      @stevedonley9139 27 дней назад

      @@charlestorruella8591 do people write books, news papers or cast news do it for clout? No, they do it to inform people. Yeah theirs a bunch of videos out there that all say the same thing. So what, it’s all part of history. You either learn from history or repeat it.

  • @LeeBoggs-k8s
    @LeeBoggs-k8s Месяц назад +8

    The ship went down because of greed plain and simple. It was overloaded and 29 people died because of a greedy gamble.

    • @zeke8686
      @zeke8686 Месяц назад +1

      Good point I assume you have protested this by not using anything like an automobile, a cell phone, a computer, or anything else that contains metal.

    • @charlestorruella8591
      @charlestorruella8591 Месяц назад

      ARE YOU MAD ABOUT IT OR DO YOU GET TO ENJOY CHEAPER FOOD CHEAPER GAS AND CHEAPER LIVING BECAUSE POEPLE LIKE DIED FOR IT YET YOU ACT LIKE IT BOTHERS YOU

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад +2

      @@zeke8686do you have tism?

    • @johnmcgeever5372
      @johnmcgeever5372 Месяц назад +2

      I went on a tour in a museum on Lake Superior (?) where I was, said that most of the sinking of ships on the lake were caused by greed. When you bet and win 🏆 you or others get rich, when you lose we get tragedy. The storm was definitely a factor in the sinking. None of the crew did any betting. GOD have Mercy, on us all. 🙏

  • @mikeisaacs2314
    @mikeisaacs2314 28 дней назад

    The bottom of the land is literally no man’s land

  • @Jopsyduck
    @Jopsyduck 5 дней назад

    I hate it when something is called the Titanic of the ___ especially when the similarities are almost non existent.

  • @albigfamily8884
    @albigfamily8884 Месяц назад

    They will return

  • @jimolson8424
    @jimolson8424 21 день назад

    The could not latch the covers.
    Because the ship was so destoted from being over loaded & twisted.
    Sent out in a big storm. It was the end.

  • @jcdenton6074
    @jcdenton6074 27 дней назад

    Plenty of evidence to suggest the ship was built poorly, and lengthened even more badly. The ship probably came apart due to hogging and sagging. McSorley was also known as a captain willing to do dangerous things. End of story. The families blocking investigations efforts, the Coast Guard doing a poor investigation, shame on them for that, especially the families. They could and should have recovered the logbook.

    • @mikeborsum8881
      @mikeborsum8881 22 дня назад +1

      It was also months and months past its due overhaul. The Fitz sank because it was a falling apart hulk of a ship that wasnt in good repair, way too overloaded and running too heavy a load, too late in the season.

  • @82AIRBORNE82
    @82AIRBORNE82 22 дня назад +1

    Why is it called: "Titanic of the Great Lakes"? Edmund Fitzgerald is a Cargo ship Not a Passenger ship. 🤦

    • @Carolyn-d2z
      @Carolyn-d2z 21 день назад +1

      Due to it believed to be UNSINKABLE as was the Titanic was considered
      UNSINKABLE

    • @laurenwoods4199
      @laurenwoods4199 21 день назад +1

      I think the comparison comes from the size. When the Titanic debuted, it was the largest passenger ship at the time. When the Fitz was around, it was the largest freight ship on the great lakes.

    • @landonstainbrook1183
      @landonstainbrook1183 17 дней назад

      When you think of a ship sinking in the ocean what’s your first thought? Mines probably titanic. What’s your first thought of a ship sinking in the Great Lakes? Mines the Fitzgerald for sure.

  • @MarkPear-k6v
    @MarkPear-k6v 28 дней назад

    I thought she was rammed by the Cat Stevens?

  • @larrytemen4789
    @larrytemen4789 Месяц назад +1

    11:36 not if you have a basic understanding of leverage and what a fulcrum point is…..🤦‍♂️

  • @herbertmichaels2841
    @herbertmichaels2841 26 дней назад

    The big dawgs dont want us to know thats why its off limits after the 1995 clear photo pics. U can dive any wreck but not the big fitz

    • @mikeborsum8881
      @mikeborsum8881 22 дня назад +1

      You cant dive on the Fitz, because there are bodies all around it. Corpses dont rot in Superior, and the Captains body is floating outside the main cabin. Its a tomb. There are lots of wrecks in Superior that you arent allowed to dive on. You have to get special permisson to dive those sites those requests are usually denied.

    • @herbertmichaels2841
      @herbertmichaels2841 22 дня назад

      @@mikeborsum8881 mame ones you arent allowed? Not true

    • @herbertmichaels2841
      @herbertmichaels2841 22 дня назад

      @@mikeborsum8881 those bodies are skeletons by now . there was a video if a guy finding skeleton on fitz in 1097

    • @herbertmichaels2841
      @herbertmichaels2841 22 дня назад

      1987

    • @laurenwoods4199
      @laurenwoods4199 21 день назад

      @@herbertmichaels2841 Actually the act that prevents people from just diving at the wreck also covers two other historical wrecks

  • @shawnkeith1164
    @shawnkeith1164 19 дней назад +1

    The Fitz is famous, but is hardly the Titanic of the Great Lakes. Had it not been for the famous song by Gordon Lightfoot the Fitz would be largely forgotten.
    If you want an *actual* Titanic of the Great Lakes, look into the Eastland disaster of 1915.

  • @nealbeach4947
    @nealbeach4947 25 дней назад

    And still we have armchair experts in the comment section that have all the answers. 😂😂😂

  • @350mack
    @350mack 19 дней назад +1

    Greed an negligence sunk the great ship 😢

  • @johnmcgeever5372
    @johnmcgeever5372 Месяц назад

    Part of the story is the mystery of what exactly happened. A tragedy. A reminder that humans are not omnipotent.GOD Bless the men who died and their friends, & family. 😇 🙏 😢

  • @RumblesBettr
    @RumblesBettr Месяц назад +1

    Wet bits got inside the dry bits and then it sinks down to the deeper part of the wetty bits. Mystery solved

  • @captainsledge7554
    @captainsledge7554 18 дней назад

    All this narrative, just to cover the one visit the kraken made to the great lakes

  • @video198712
    @video198712 Месяц назад +1

    NO Ship is unsinkable ! Didn't people learn that from the Titanic?! How can a ship, any ship not split in 2 if it sinks?

    • @stargazer5784
      @stargazer5784 Месяц назад +3

      There are many shipwrecks that aren't split in two.

    • @BonnieDragonKat
      @BonnieDragonKat Месяц назад +1

      No one ever said she was unsinkable.

    • @EdithVonPants
      @EdithVonPants Месяц назад +1

      A lot of ships don’t split when they sink. Titanic had massive engines in the stern and water all around the bow. It would make sense why she split

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад

      @@BonnieDragonKatyeah they did

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад

      @@EdithVonPantsjews bombed the titanic

  • @jesse-gz1ri
    @jesse-gz1ri Месяц назад

    With a loose keel that boat had no business being out there that day.

    • @charlestorruella8591
      @charlestorruella8591 Месяц назад

      IT DIDNT HAVE A LOOSE KEEL WHERE DO YOU GET THAT FROM

    • @TheMainLead
      @TheMainLead Месяц назад +1

      @@charlestorruella8591it had screen bulkheads giving it less stablity

  • @sypoth
    @sypoth 20 дней назад

    Isn't the Titanic of the Great Lakes the Eastland? Especially since policies of in place BECAUSE of the Titanic is what led to that disaster?
    Edmund Fitzgerald is EXTREMELY overrated by great lakes standards. Hell aside from the Eastland I can make several ships that are FAR more scary and tragic, one is them even split in half!
    Eastland (Duh)
    Carl D Bradley
    Daniel J Morrell
    Cyprus
    Cedarville
    Charles S Price
    Hydrus
    Regina
    Toledo
    Noronic
    Just to make a few.

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 19 дней назад

    An absence of buoyancy sank the Edmund Fitzgerald...

  • @dwmiller8000
    @dwmiller8000 25 дней назад

    How did they know that the ship was a she? When edmund fitzgerald was a he.

    • @sauter1
      @sauter1 12 дней назад +1

      Ships and boats are always called 'she' :)

  • @robertsandberg2246
    @robertsandberg2246 18 дней назад

    I hope I never die in a shipwreck. I'd hate to rest eternally in a place where someone would be fined one million dollars for diving where my body lies. Similarly, I don't want to be buried in a cemetery where pets aren't allowed.

  • @mikeborsum8881
    @mikeborsum8881 22 дня назад

    Why does everyone go in for the supernatural reason, instead of the fact that the Ed was waaay overdue for a major overhaul, had a weakened bow, and never should have been taking such a heavy load, that late in the season, and while she was in very poor condition?
    The Ed Fitz sank because of greed and negligence, not rogue waves or supernatural nonsense.

  • @mistervacation23
    @mistervacation23 Месяц назад +1

    That’s no tragedy! How many people do you lose on a normal cruise? 30? 40?

    • @Asynurr
      @Asynurr Месяц назад +2

      Every loss of human life is a tragedy. It was unexpected and 29 men lost their lives. Show some respect.

    • @mistervacation23
      @mistervacation23 Месяц назад +1

      @@Asynurr it took 10 hours. It eased into the water like an old man into a nice warm bath - no offence. I tell ya, I hear people really stuff themselves on those cruise ships. The buffet, that's the real ordeal. Well, all vacations have to end eventually.

    • @laurenwoods4199
      @laurenwoods4199 21 день назад

      29 men died, 29 families lost their loved ones. ANY loss of life is a tradgedy. You're gross for trying to say otherwise.

  • @jimhall1095
    @jimhall1095 Месяц назад +1

    Another Edmund Fitzgerald video? Cmon.

    • @mikebrase5161
      @mikebrase5161 Месяц назад +3

      This is almost 20 years old. It's from '06.

    • @jimhall1095
      @jimhall1095 Месяц назад

      Correct. No need to post it again a day ago. No new info or news and there won’t be.

    • @BonnieDragonKat
      @BonnieDragonKat Месяц назад +4

      This is an old video. It's from Dive Detectives.

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 Месяц назад +3

      Don’t watch it then

  • @jimolson8424
    @jimolson8424 21 день назад +1

    Bullshit . Used up and abused for profit until a big storm took it to the bottom over loaded. Over & over again. Sent out one more time with structure problems..
    Dry dock repair set to happen after this run.
    The hatch covers were so distorted they could not be latched down. This ship was flooded in this massive storm.
    The inspection should have been failed. Instead money aloud it to sale over loaded again.

  • @Davelakful
    @Davelakful Месяц назад

    First half of the video is NOT about the SS EF. Don't waste your time watching.

  • @40beretta1
    @40beretta1 Месяц назад

    a liter of cola... enough with the metric...

  • @SnickasBah
    @SnickasBah Месяц назад +1

    The song makes me wish I was deaf

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 Месяц назад +1

      And we wish you had never posted anything.
      Go listen to Taylor Swift.

    • @charlestorruella8591
      @charlestorruella8591 Месяц назад +1

      You make me wish I couldn't read but here we are now aren't we

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 Месяц назад

      @@charlestorruella8591 Haha yep