The Pitch of the '80s Is Back, and It's Taking Over Baseball
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- There’s a new pitch taking over Major League Baseball.
You might’ve heard that 2023 was the Year of the Sweeper. Last year, it seemed like every pitcher in MLB was throwing a sweeper. Before that, we saw the rise of the high fastball, as increased focus on velocity and spin rate led to unprecedented swings and misses from hitters.
Now there’s another pitch that’s become all the rage. A pitch that, if you’ve been watching MLB for long enough, you’ll be all too familiar with.
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There was an old SNES game called "Bases Loaded" that had a glitch, you could throw a high splitter or forkball, and the NPC stooges would swing through it almost every time, maybe 1/10 they would hit a little squibber. I threw a lot of perfect games with 27 Ks that season🤣
Thanks for sharing grandpa
It’s just like Wii sports an inside splitter works a lot better
@@thomascunning8248respect your elders jit
@@thomascunning8248doesn’t mean he’s old af there’s a bunch of people are into retro
@@scottshepke669 okay scott
Now bring back the Knuckler.
Matt Waldron on the padres throws a decent one. He’s not Tim Wakefield now but he’s decent
George Kirby has a nasty knuckleball but he's only thrown it once in a game
Greatest pitch in baseball. I’ll say it’s one of the first pitches outside fastballs to teach in little league
@@LordTeaboBaggins With all the emphasis on speed these days, the knuckler for guys who can master it is a great pitch for relative mediocre arms. And with less stress on elbows and shoulders, one that can aid longevity with fewer injuries.
Course you wouldn't wanna be behind the plate having to catch that pitch.
Doesn't Zac Gallen have a knuckle curve?
I watched a lot of Tigers games in the '80s and the announcers were always talking about the nasty split-fingered fastball of Jack Morris.
Dave Stieb was pioneering the sweeper at the same time, which I think is a fun coincidence.
Loved watching Morris pitch!
I thought Morris mostly used the Fork Ball. I hate it when people miss the two up, and the Fork is hard on the elbow. What they are showing here early in the video I thought was the fork ball, and that is more off speed then a split finger.
@@santumi2298 Mike Scott as well
I always think of Bruce Sutter.
I think the biggest contributor to the revitalization of the splitter was the WBC. Just about every pitcher from team Japan was using the splitter and it was extremely effective
Yes, seems like all the pitchers that came from Japan used the pitch , as back as Maeda and Darvish
The splitter never disappeared what are you on about?
I think it's because the speed is only slightly lower than a fastball, so the hitters instincts jump on it and whiff when it drops. Slower, high spin like a curve is easier to recognize and lay off.
@@josephc9467 Darvish got 50 mil pretty much based on that pitch yeah.
i think a big reason that the splitter is so effective is because hitting coaches are pushing the launch angle stuff, so it only makes sense that throwing a pitch that has a lot of sink would be very effective against hitter trying to elevate the ball
Maybe but not at the MLB level. Batters there have zero problem blitzing a low pitch.
The real issue is that batters get better at hitting pitches the more they see them. It's inevitable that a lot of pitches will fall out of fashion.
I used to throw it in the 90’s as a teenager and when I could really get it under control I felt like a big leaguer and K’s would just start stacking up. It’s sort of like a cross between a knuckle ball/fastball/change up, such a fun pitch. Anyone remember El Duque with the 05 White Sox team? He had a good one and had a year where he kept that baby under control for the most part and we won a title. Pretty much the entire staff had career years all at once haha but still El Duque had a nasty splitter. My favorite pitch in baseball.
@@SeaOrcRonnie I think you're mistaking El Duque with Contreras. Contreras was showing off stretching his fingers for his forkball using a Softball.
I think it's because the speed is similar to a fastball and only slightly slower so its hard to lay off. A big curve that's spinning way different and slower is easier to recognize and make a judgement on. A splitter looks like a fastball until it drops and you whiff
The MLB Power Pros music is making me feel all kinds of nostalgia.
Such a good series. Rip. On the North American versions.
BRING IT BACK TO AMERICA
Splitter is the reason why Clemens in Houston was so dominant. His Splitter was nasty
I think the speed being similar to a fastball is why hitters whiff on it. A big curve has different spin and slower speed so they recognize it easier. The splitters 88-92 look like a fastball so it's impossible to not swing at it but it drops so they whiff
I was watching the Tevor Bauer RUclips channel and he said that he learned the pitch while in Japan that every pitcher over there throws one because it's a really tough pitch for hitters that have a flat swing plane. That alot of the Japanese hitters tend to have flat swing plans and that pitch is difficult for them to hit. He basically said its not as common in the US since hitters over here have more of an upper cut swing, but it can be very effective if used properly.
I think the speed being very similar to a fastball is why it's so effective. A big curve they recognize the spin and slow speed immediately. The splitters 88-92 basically look like a fastball so the hitters instincts can't recongize and lay off it but it drops late so they whiff
Just recently found Trevor Bauer’s channel, and his mic’d up videos are both hilarious, and a fascinating peek into what goes on in his head for each batter. Interesting comment for the insight on why it’s popular in Japan. Great inside baseball info. I gotta add, I enjoy watching the Japanese pitchers who put some dramatic flair to their full windups.To me, it has a bit of both an old-timey look to it, mixed with a modern twist within the artistry of their motions.
As a Braves fan I remember the splitter/fork ball all too well. Jack Morrison threw a 10-inning shutout against Atlanta in the '91 World Series for the Twins and won the World Series MVP.
Dividog You mean Jack Morris.
Morris, not Morrison…
I used to throw all sorts of pitches off of that grip in backyard games with tennis balls as a kid. You can get the ball to have backspin or topspin depending on how you release it, or even no spin, and that was just when I was throwing it over the top. You could use it to take some speed off the pitch or throw it hard. And then you could go sidearm and get one of the nastiest screwballs you've ever seen by pulling down on the back of the ball as you release it.
I grew up an Astros fan (mostly stopped following them when they moved to the American league, and stopped all together with the trash cans). I loved Mike Scott back in the day though.
I remember listening to a Mets broadcast. Ron Darling had been tipping his splitter because you could see him pushing on his glove when he gripped it. He ended up having to put the splitter grip on every pitch. He could then take the grip off in the glove when he was throwing something else.
/I did tug down on the pitch pretty hard and did end up having to get some PT for 'tennis elbow'.
To everyone watching this video, the creator of this video who did all of the research and hours of editing and narration is being ripped off by MLB. They are claiming the rights to this, even though the amount of information used from MLB is minimal. Very discouraging to video creators when multimillion dollar organizations are so greedy that they try to suck every penny they can from baseball fans. They should be glad that these videos bring more attention to the baseball world. This is my grandson who has put house and days in creating this😡
Your grandson knew that going in.....btw he did a great job...but stop crying, there's no crying baseball.
@@justinamenta7241 baseball is overrated Sir
I always thought that the splitter was enhanced because of players actually throwing a "scuffball". Mike Scott scuffed every splitter he threw.
Chrislane You are right about Scott scuffing the baseball!
Every time Scott's name comes up, someone says something absurd--like he "scuffed every splitter he ever threw." Stop and think about that for a moment: Scott had to have thrown thousands of splitters from 1985 on . . . and he managed to deface the ball on every one of them without getting caught? Bullshit.
@dfoxy14 TO be honest, I think that the catcher scuffed the ball for him. The pitch was almost unhittable. It was hard and the bottom just fell out of it like something from a video game. No reason to be upset.
@@chrislane3228 So Alan Ashby scuffed thousands of balls for Scott and never got caught or even warned? Yeah, that's bullshit too. I'm not saying that didn't happen occasionally. Elston Howard used to scuff the ball for Whitey Ford when the umps were looking out for Whitey's trickery (he cheated as much as any pitcher ever, Gaylord Perry included). I'm just not a fan of hyperbole (e.g. "Mike Scott scuffed every splitter he ever threw").
Davey Johnson and the Mets complained about Scott because he owned them in the '86 NLCS, and they wanted to have something to point to if the series went to seven games and they had to face Scott a third time. I'm pretty sure this is where 95% of the bullshit surrounding Scott's splitter comes from. Davey was a good manager in that regard: always looking for angles. I'm an Orioles fan, so I love the guy.
You're right, that pitch was just about unhittable, video game shit. My theory is, Scott had great stuff all along, got beat up his first few years (with the Mets, which is why they were extra salty when he figured things out), and found a pitch that worked for him.
And don't YOU worry, I don't get upset over RUclips comments. My extra-long response probably doesn't convey that though.
@dfoxy14 I love it that you commented. It's fun. Ashby was a good dude. Mike Scott just threw something unhittable for quite a while. Look. I'm not attacking you. The scuffball was a thing. In my opinion, that is what Mike Scott threw. I'm sorry that you don't like it. I'm sorry, too, that it is probably true. I'm an old dude. I have seen a lot. I once saw Mike Scott throw a splitter to Dave Parker (I think that it was Parker). He hit it about 460 feet foul. Then Parker was waiting for it on the next pitch and he hit it about 480 feet fair. I was a catcher. Mike Scott's SCUFFBALL was hard to hit even if you don't like it.
Oh my God, the MLB Power Pros music got me. It's been more than a decade since I've played that game and I'd still remember that music anywhere from how much I played it. Best baseball game of all time, I wish they'd bring the new ones back to the US.
Amazing Video, I really enjoyed learning this today
Jose Contreras used to throw a version of a splitter with no spin at all that he called a "spluckler". It was basically a split fingered knuckleball. Only problem was that he had almost no control of it lol.
Excellent video and history! Well done!
Great video very in depth. Also made me nostalgic for MLB power pros lol
Terrific review! Thanks for posting.
Super interesting. One thing I would have liked to see addressed is how often the splitter hits the zone. From the examples that we saw (and from the few games I watched this year, the Blue Jays s-ck-ing so much), your best bet against the splitter is take it and hope for a ball. That is, of course, if you can identify it fast enough.
for real, I don't understand why players just don't swing at pitches that aren't in the zone. are they stupid? ;) /s
If you throw a splitter in the zone, it is probably not a good one.
the splitter was still pretty common in the mid- late 2000s not sure what league youve been watching
Great video. Love all the Tigers old timers in it 😍
Scott's splitter and scuffing accusations brought me so much joy in the mid to late 80s. Good times!
Was he actually scuffing or was his splitter that great?
Yes!!! More content, more often please!!!
This guy's writing is top notch. Kept my attention through the whole video. Well done!
The knuckleball is making a pretty good splash for MLB with the Padre's Waldron.
Ump: Hey, you're not throwing a spitball, are you?
Bush: No, I'm not breaking any rules.
Ump: Then, how are you making it move like that?
Bush: I'm not telling you.
Ump: Fair enough. Back to the game.
Well done video! Thank you
WE have a low A minor league team in town. During pre-gam warm-ups I see these young guy toying with the knuckleball. I'd love to see it become a weapon for some guys.
And a lot of people and experts say that the best splitter in the Majors rn belongs to Reds pitcher Fernando Cruz
I threw a splitter instead of a change....it was just a lot easier for me to throw at the same arm speed and get the differential in velocity I was looking for....that was in the late 90s.
Jack McDowell, or “Black Jack”, threw the splitter for several years when it wrecked his arm. He won the Cy Young in 93’ and earned 3 straight All-Star games. Once he had arm surgery, he was never the same. To pull a quote from him;
“The split-fingered fastball can be used both as a breaking pitch and a changeup. The difference is usually achieved by varying the grip and spreading the fingers. The most effective method is to create top-spin or down-spin on the ball.”
I already see kids messing with breaking pitches at a very young age. Have them throwing the splitter now, arms will continue to be wrecked. John Smoltz talked about it and I liked his idea of tying the DH to the pitcher, meaning pull the DH when the SP comes out, will cause teams to reevaluate innings pitched as a higher priority leading to better arm care. There will be too much risk to only run a SP for 5-6 innings vs the reward of a DH.
I used to throw a forkball in high-school with almost no spin. It behaved similarly to a knuckle ball but with less side to side movement and more drop. Unfortunately I never developed good velo so couldn't get further than high-school
Did the fork ball hurt your arm to throw? My 13-year-old son has a great split-finger but I'm worried about it hurting his forearm.
Really good video overall I would not be surprised if this has millions of views in the next few days
Just wanna say though that the BAA stats are a bit misleading. Splitters are primarily thrown with 2 strikes and they are thrown out of the strike zone
This means that the only 3 outcomes that will really happen are strikeouts, weak batted balls, and a ball if a hitter takes. If the pitcher gets a strikeout or a weak batted ball its good for the BAA on splitters but if the hitter doesn't swing its not really affected
If you looked at the BAA for fastballs outside of the zone with 2 strikes it'd also be extremely low for this reason. Not to mention that since splitters are thrown with 2 strikes the hitter already has a lower expected batting average
Still really good video though.
nice video. subscribed
This video is great. Baseball is great because of the constantly evolving battle between the hitters and hurlers. I wonder how long it will take hitters to adjust to the splits and start hitting them into the seats.
Great video! The only thing I’d argue is that forkballs and splitters are the same pitch. Just like two seam fastballs and sinkers are as well but have different names depending on movement profile
I remember back in the late '60s to early '70s when the Yankees had a pitcher named Lindy McDaniel. He threw a forkball quite often.
Makes me happy to see. Maybe we'll get to full fork ball next year.
I really dig your narration, writing style!
Somewhere, Roger(Humm Baby-SF Giants fans know this reference)Craig is smiling...Craig was the split finger guru in the 80s
All while having MVP caliber seasons for the 49ers
Giants fans know the reference...as well as anyone whose watched this video.
@@thefourmoodgroups2589 Didn't help them against the A's though. Or the earthquake 🤣
The humm baby reference (and discussion about his connection to the splitter) is in the video.....
He taught Mike Scott the splitter
The problem with the splitter is 2 fold. The hands have to be extra strong and there used to be a mechanic to it that I'm not really seeing in the new crop of splitter throwers. This mechanic was kind of like pushing the thumb through the split to cut the spin.
If you didn't have strong hands and you tried that mechanic, bye bye elbow.
The best splitter I ever threw in high school was smashed for a homerun. Thing dove away and was low out of the zone on the paint from the lefty and he cracked the absolute ish out of it. Mine was more forkball than splitter, as it mostly knuckled up to the plate.
That's why pitchers will try any legal grip advantage they can get, and some get caught using illegal stuff to improve their grip. Tyler Glasgow (on the Dodgers and one of best pitchers in baseball right now) goes on about that in this video ruclips.net/video/ed9QbHGkFYE/видео.html . Umps will check players they are suspicious of and people like Max Scherzer have been suspended for using illegal sticky stuff.
Now I understand why there’s a splitter in Wii sports
I LOVE stories like Bruce Sutter's, when a pitcher seems to hit a wall in his career and has to really think outside the box to stay in the game. Tim Wakefield is a great example.
Seemd like every San Francisco Giant threw a splitter when Roger Craig was the manager. I was a kid then but those teams are the first time I heard of the split.
1:47 before getting into the video, I feel like the influx of Asian pitchers has caused this revival of the splitter. Between Yamamoto, Imanaga, Senga, Ohtani, and the plethora of Asian relief pitchers that have come into the MLB since 2020; they have all influenced the MLB to the point where it’s becoming popular again because it’s reminding people of how EFFECTIVE that pitch is.
If you want me to get even more specific, I feel like it was Kodai Senga who brought the splitter back. During his rookie season last year, the biggest talk in the game was his “ghost” ball which is just a splitter/fork ball with extreme movement. Once pitchers were reminded how effective it can be , they all started getting on the bandwagon.
11:57 that’s so cool! I was correct!😂😂 great video boss!
They use a drastically different ball with different seams in Japan. It's why Trevor Bauer got better. On his vlogs he struggled a lot with the NPB ball.
I’d say it’s been a thing over the last few years not just 2024 but good vid
It pairs nicely with the 4-seam fastballs.
I mean.. dope video! lemme get that outta the way but you missed a whole great big section you could have talked about with Casey Mize. He was drafted 1-1 because of his splitter. had tommy john because of his splitter. and is back this year with mixed results. ALL because of that splitter!
I’ll be honest, I didn’t know that Japanese pitchers have been making the move to America for as long as they have: that’s really frickin cool
I had a split-finger through college Div I. Was unhittable. I struck out a lot of batters despite not having a 90mph+ fastball. Not sure why it ever went out of fashion. I was inspired by Jack Morris, Mike Scott, Ron Darlingand others in the 80s
I feel like having 3 8/10 pitches is better than having 2 9/10 pitches because the extra pitch keeps batters guessing more. The splitter is that 3rd pitch that is still rare enough to keep hitters off balance until it becomes more common and then hitters will learn how to hit it and it's efficacy will decrease.
If Tony Gwynn says it was hard to hit, I don't think most hitters are going to figure it out
If you're a big league starting pitcher then yes this is true. More so like pitchers will have 2 9/10 pitches and then 2 8/10 pitches for certain situations
If you're a bullpen guy though then you can really get away with just having a 11/10 pitch like mariano riveras cutter or just be a 2 pitch guy like Andrew miller and since you're so dirty and you only have to get 3 outs you can get away with it
What does 3 8/10 and 2 9/10 mean?
In my opinion, I think control is more important for a starting pitcher. If you can consistently spot your pitches, you're going to be a nightmare for hitters. Greg Maddux
@@getstuk87 3 different pitches one will throw that will get an arbitrary score of 8/10, good pitch. And they will have two other pitch types they throw that are dominating, so you could call it 9/10, an A pitch, whatever. Baseball is full of people coming up with terms and slang and stuff, it's an always evolving game.
I never understood why the splitter fell out of popularity. It’s super effective, and easy to learn.
Superstition. According to some, curveballs, sliders, screwballs, splitters, and/or fastballs will injure your arm. Or maybe pitching just leads to arm injuries, no matter which pitch you throw?
@@shorewall it's just science though. I've never pitched before and ive had no pitching injuries whatsoever
Because its just a pretty impractical pitch to throw for most guys
You only ever throw it with 2 strikes when you need a strikeout and if you throw it for a strike it gets crushed since if you hang it then its just a slow fastball.
Every pitcher already has either a curveball or slider to get swings and misses with and so there isn't really a reason for them to add a splitter
Injuries. When you spread your fingers that much, it puts a lot more stress on the tendons in the arm. Tim Belcher said that he never had any arm problems until one of the teams wanted him to throw the splitter.
My uncle taught me how to throw a split finger fastball when I was 10 years old and ever since I can't throw a ball normally. I played right field and still throw to my kids with a fork from outfield
such nostalgic audio
the old mlb power pros music just brought back memories
Thank you baseball historian
I knew it was going to be the sff...that was like the only pitch we knew existed as kids...
Jhoan Duran started throwing the splinker first a few years ago, + his is more nasty
I've been using this pitch setup on mlb the show for almost 20 years
102 mph 4seam
93 slider with 9 inch plus break
85 Vulcan change or regular change 6 inches break plus
83 to 89 sweeping curve with 10 inch break
78 mph screwball with as much break as the game allows.
As a lefty.
Why are you lying about something so stupid? You can't throw harder than 99 for a 4 seam, can't throw harder than 92 for a slider, you can't throw a changeup harder than 84 which is insanely stupid, if you actually played mlb the show you wouldn't use any changeup but the circle change because pitches don't move like they do in real life and changeups cut and at that point it's like an awful breaking ball so you use the circle change to have movement away or you'd use the splitter as that's the best offspeed that goes straight down. The screwball is usable but I doubt it based on the rest of your lies and the fact that throwing it for strikes is very difficult and you don't get enough swings ang misses with it. I also doubt mlb the show even is 20 years old.
Technically you can throw 102 if you have outlier I but idk if you can get that on RTTS
But yeah this guy is full of shi
Nobody uses chsngeups they suck. I use circle changes all the time for the lateral movement. Normal change ups are just worthless
Also screwballs are awful. Devin Williams is the only one with an alright screwball and that's because its not really even a screwball. He throws a changeup but it moves so much that theyhad to give him a screwball to mimic movement but it has the velo of a changeup
I don’t think that’s true, but even if it is, what does it have to do with splitters?
Nice. I just started playing around with a splinker as well. Both as “fastball” grip and shift the fingers over to change up grip. Looks like it could be kinda gross
It's a dumb "pitch". There's a reason most pitchers want velocity differential with their offspeed. If you throw your offspeed super hard it needs better movement to be good and it won't be as good for whiffs, more of a groundball pitch. Probably best to learn a changeup as there as a bunch of different grips, evem though most nowadays use the circle grip you still have straight change grip and while we almost never hear the word palmball anymore some pitchers still use the grip but just call it a changeup like Jordan Montgommery. There's also several different splitter and forkball grips so purposfully trying to throw an offspeed with horrible velocity differential isn't really smart.
@somerandomguy5977 well you do want to throw your off speeds "hard." Every pitch you throw should be thrown with the same effort. The only velo differemce should come from grip and spin
But yah I agree. Definently should just learn a changeup. Circle change is good I just dont like it because it slips. "3 finger change" is really good Dan blewett has a video on it if you dont want thr ball to slip
There's a "trend pitch" in every decade of baseball. In the 60's & 70's it was the slider, in the 80's & 90's it was the splitter, in the 2000's & 2010's, it was the cutter, and for the 2020's, it's looking like the sweeper is the new trend pitch.
Yeah, players stop seeing the pitch, and when someone comes along to revive it, it can catch hitters off guard. Now, when they start to be able to recognize it, it might cool off. It's an effective pitch.
You forgot the pitch of the 90s, the circ l e change up. Then around 2009 everyone in mlb threw a cutter trying to be like mariano rivera.
Fred braining was a giants forkball pitcher in 1979 to 1983. When Fred was in the minor leagues his coach told him to throw 90 percent forkballs. Bruce sutter said out of every 10 pitches he threw 9 were split finger fastball and 1 was a two seam fastball.
Also bruce sutter used hìs. Thumb to push the ball so that it would squirt forward from between his index and middle finger. Sutter had huge nba player hands and no other pitcher has ever talked about doing this. It was unique to sutter, and sutter kept this part quiet until he retired. This may explain why sutter had the best split finger ever. If you want to see his dominance watch his 2 inning pitched in the 1979 all star game. He made mlb all stars look like grade school kids that day. Greatest single game split finger game ever. Check it out to see for your self.
Some of the modern splitters have that screwball action. I like it.
The nickname for Kazuhiro Sasaki's pitch was actually the "Thang," coined by Dave Niehaus.
Screwball was invented by Flathead Phillips in 1791
Hitters were convinced Mike Scott was scuffing the ball. So much so that SI ran a double truck picture of him in welder's gear with the ball in a vise.
Opposing hitters have only made contact with Skenes' splinker and handful of times so far.
Including the drip… stirrups and mullets 😭
Two Roger Craig's in San Francisco during the same era in two different sports was always a peculiarity to me as a kid.
wait...someone explain to me, please.
How does a pitcher have the best ERA in all of MLB for a season and not have the best ERA+? Park or league factor?
fernando cruz might have one of the most beautiful splitters going currently
I watched guys like Scott and Morris throw that pitch. It was just nasty.
All this splitter footage and no Fernando Cruz? Regrettable
His pitch is probably a forkball. It has very big velocity differential and the spin is very low.
Mike Scott of the 86 Astros came out of nowhere after he learned to throw it from Roger Craig. Struck out over 300 batters and won the CY Young and damn near a pennant. He was the last great one to throw it.
I think guys are realizing a splitter is just a more effective change up
FratboyFishing You are one of few people that seem to know that! I agree with you, good comment brother!
With hitters being unable to hit for average as a whole, the resurgence of the split-finger would probably drop the league average even more
Splitter never went nowhere.
1986 Mike Scott. Oh, you got it.
i remember bruce sutter only too well. it's too bad he isn't here to watch this tribute.
Check out Bullet Joe's hitting stats...not bad for a pitcher
I threw a splitter as a teenager. After shoulder surgery, i threw a splitter once. As soon as i released it, I knew why i had surgery.
lol Mike Scott was throwing scuffed baseballs for 2 seasons WITH the split grip. Not the same
37 saves was a NL record?? jeez Ryan Helsley almost has that much at the All-Star break this year
Maddox probably threw this in the 90s but he was beyond nasty.
What's funny is that my best pitch is the forkball and I throw a half decent spliter.
We need more players with names like Bullet Joe.
IS THAT THE MLB POWER PROS MUSIC????!!!
As nasty as the pitch is it can probably be partially attributed to the uptick in injuries pitch is terrible for the elbow idk how guys can throw it either lol always found the change up to be easier and more effective to throw
So many awesome pitches get a reputation for destroying arms without much evidence for it. Now everyone is blowing their arms out throwing fastballs
Forkball and splitter are very different pitches.
I'm so scared of f***ing upy arm with this pitch again 😭
Splitter was one of Jonathan Papelbons out pitch for his entire career
The splitter has good synergy with the four seem, two seem, and/or slider. Joe Maddon is an idiot, but I think I get what he says, especially when I remember pitchers like Jose Contreras and Felix Heredia who had nothing else to throw. Wait them out for a walk or a flat fastball to tallywack for extra bases. Variety is a mid-level pitcher's only friend.
So many above average and top tier power pitchers of the early to mid-2000s threw great splitters, but those splits worked off an establishing four seem and usually something that would break glove side.
Isn't the pitch at 2:53 a knuckleball?
That's what a forkball looks like. It rotates quite slowly, but not as slow as a knuckler.
@@mattrinck7503 It was still a knuckleball
@shierawesome That was a forkball. He threw it with a forkball grip. I throw a forkball, and that is exactly what it does.
That was a more extreme example. Most forkballs still spin but around 500-850rpm ish. If you want to know look at velocity seperation, finger seperstion and spin rate. If the velocity is over 10mph off the fastball, the fingers are wide apart and the rpms are under 1000 it doesn't matter if statcadt and the pitcher call it a splitter, it's a forkball.
@@mattrinck7503 a knuckleball doesn't matter the grip, it's simply if it has no/very little spin rate, called knuckling. That's what that pitch had
What a cool video.
Pitches are like fashion trends, they tend to come and go. I'm waiting for screwballs and knuckleballs to make a comeback
screwballs aren't ever going to comeback. Its basically just like a curveball but way slower and with loopier spin. If youre gonna throw something that's a breaking down swing and miss pitch you'll throw a curveball. If you want to throw something that falls and runs armside you'll throw a changeup
There's just no place for a screwball in today's game
I'm kind of not convinced that the splitter "went away". It was out of favor for certain, viewed as a breaking pitch for bottom-half of the rotation starters with inferior talent. But as a Twins fan, I've seen a lot of splitter throwers over the last 20 years.
It never disappeared. Pitchers have been throwing it every year and on every single team.
Lincecum had one of the nastiest splitters I've ever seen.
No mention of Masahiro Tanaka? That’s a shame.
Makes sense if the previous trend was high fastballs why not go in the opposite direction.
Shout out to Rod Beck RIP