Sonic Adventure 2 Is EXTREMELY Overrated
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- Sonic Adventure 2 is often considered as one of the best Sonic games of all time. However, I never really found much enjoyment in playing it. But why is that? Let's discuss this in today's video!
Huge thanks to @Supercon613 for hopping on this video with me! And thank you to @FCPlaythroughs for the SA2 footage!
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Music Used:
"SA2 in the Groove" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Green Forest" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Pumpkin Hill" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Cosmic Wall" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Radical Highway" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Chao Race Entry" from Sonic Adventure
"2-Player Select" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Metal Harbor" from Sonic Adventure 2
"Cannon's Core" from Sonic Adventure 2
"The Last Scene" from Sonic Adventure 2
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Can't really call this game overrated when it felt like for a good five years every non-Sonic RUclipsr and journalist were calling it dated trash.
Well, yes. Sonic fans on RUclips have contrary opinions to the actual game community. They always said it was a conspiracy for gamers to not like those Sonic games
Which is what it is.
@@AnnieCruz_x "actual game community" what? As if Sonic Adventure 2 isn't a videogame? What are you waffling about
Could say the same for all sonic games excluding sonic 3 .
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 Mario 64 is dated trash, Crash 1 is dated trash so what are you talking about?
He's not playing on ORIGNIAL HARDWARE with the ORIGINAL CONTROLLER, Mods, take him out.
I'm not buying a dreamcast to only play sa2
Faxual machinary@@AnthonyThings
For the record, it's good on the Xbox 360 too
Cope
Counterpoint Mr. RUclips, it was the one my grandma bought for me as a kid and I grew up with, so it’s the best one actually 🦍
What
I hate when people have bias for a game that they think is "Nostalgic" so it's really refreshing to see someone else make fun of that, still love SA2 tho.
"Childhood = immediately the best. Apparently.@@thomastheunlimited
@@Doggieworld3Show True
@@thomastheunlimited I hate when people shame others for being nostalgic for something and having it be their favorite because of it. They just come off as miserable people who are utterly incapable of feeling emotions and empathizing with others
they're probably also insecure about something they are biased towards because of nostalgia and need to tear down something other people like to make themselves feel better
And this is why it needs a remaster
a remaster won't change the fact that you have to play the shooting and the hunting stages
@@haiderraad468 to be fair, if they improve those gameplay styles, people will like playing them more
@@UltraSTH Yeah.
Improve the controls of the mech stages immensely by making them smoother, faster on the ground, and so that they don't control like freakin' tanks. Also, get rid of the awful enemy placement in those levels. I swear half the time it's impossible to see them coming, and then BAM! They're right on top of you!
As for treasure hunting stages, just give us back the SA1 radar, which was wayyy better, and also maybe a mini-map on the bottom right hand corner of the screen, with wayfinders and radar blips for the emerald shards.
You can even improve the speed stages a bit. This goes for all characters honestly, but it's more apparent with the speed characters, but just map out the controls in the game to multiple buttons. Like put the light speed dash on the Y Button (Xbox controls) and the bounce on another button. Also, give Shadow the Bounce Bracelet, because so many times have I played as him completely forgetting he doesn't have it.
@@UltraSTH
There's still the issue of 2/3rds of the game not remotely resembling Sonic gameplay.
That won't fix all the problems this game has not even most of them
I’m so glad it’s not just me. I’ve tried to learn to love SA2 like most of the fanbase seems to, and I just can’t. It’s not bad, but it’s way too flawed.
It's not most of the fanbase, just a very vocal clique.
Actually good opinion
Your cash money
Mods take away this persons RUclips privileges.
Spiderman twist this guys di-
Mods take away his Healthcare privileges.
Mods take away this person's commenting abilities
Mods take away this persons dignity
Mods take away his DAMN 4th chaos emerald
SA2 made me think i was so cool trying to copy Sonic’s attitude in school LMAO
Yo facts, this game is still the "coolest" game ever made.
Interesting take, but I’ll allow it lol. Thanks for having me on man
SFP: Sonic Adventure 2 is EXTREMELY Overrated
Me: _I'll make you eat those words!_
Life hack: if you die in that time limit treasure hunting stage your timer resets to the last emerald
Uh I died irl and I still can’t find those shards so life hack wrong
@@craigbarker4675wrong game bro
Is so funny to that he said " when im playing a sonic game I want to play as sonic " because thats how every sonic fan was doring the dark age era 😂
Ironically it lead to the meta era only letting you play as sonic, which unfortunately kind of sucked, I missed playing as tails or knuckles.
And then, because Sega listens a bit too much in my opinion. They’re gonna go too far back in the opposite direction again. And the cycle is gonna continue on and on.
@@BlueTyphoon2017I'd say it was more of a problem with the execution of the meta era games more like less variety.
Colors and generations are amazing games even though they don't have other characters to play as. Yeah it could be neat, but if they don't fit in those boost levels with their moves, why bother?
Well, yes. The majority of 2000s fans wanted the extra characters gone. SA2 is ironically the first game to cause this reaction.
@@BlueTyphoon2017but 2000s Sonic fans said they only wanted to play as Sonic. People remember that. Especially after SA2.
agreed, I prefer SA1
Here’s some things you didn’t bring up
-The button mapping sucks. There’s only two buttons utilized throughout the entire game, with a third one that _checks notes_ CHANGES WHAT THE SPECIAL BUTTON DOES THROUGH A MENU?? WHAT IS THIS, A SONIC GAME OR AN RPG?! Two buttons do the same exact thing too
-The emerald locations are completely random for Knuckles and Rouge, and they’re shuffled every time you open or restart the stage
-Some of the levels just suck. Mad Space, Egg Quarters, Eternal Engine, Death Chamber, Aquatic Mine, all have things I hate
This is the inspiration from Sonic that Yuji Naka used for Balan Wonderworld
@@Jasmaf True for everything tbh EXCEPT the random location
If it was always the same location, there would be no exploration factor, making (most of) the stages boring af
I liked aquatic mine but I totally see why people can dislike it
@@chicksinfire I like the music and the setting but I don’t really like the gimmick
The second one is literally a good thing 😭😭
when i heard LOST WORLD better than SA2 i was like DAMN....
Does he even know that know-one likes that game
Man in my honest to god opinion 06 is better than SA2. Lost World beig better than SA2 shouldn't be a shocking opinion.
@@cooljrgaming9729
"How could you say something so controversial yet so brave?"
@@cooljrgaming9729wow
@@Therealestfisttalker You're right, I should show some more respect to this guy.
Coming from Half Life, CS:GO and sandbox games, SA2 far surpassed my expectations. I agree that the mech levels are wonky on PC but the varied gameplay made for a much more interesting experience. I played SA1 after that - didn't think it was better than 2, both are very enjoyable.
Bro the other gameplay styles weren’t optional in SA1 you have to play them to complete the story
You miss out on one boss fight yes but you could play every Sonic level
When I first played SA2 on my Xbox 360 a few years ago, I originally wasn’t much of a fan since I had grown up with the boost games and was not used to how the game controlled or how the physics worked. However, after playing it again some more over the years along with playing SA1, I’ve grown to appreciate both games and how they feel and control. I’ve even grown to like the Mech and Treasure Hunting stages too. SA2 isn’t my favorite Sonic game, but it’s a solid A tier game for me.
9:29 that boss fight just bring me some superstars bad memories
I violently disagree but violently respect your opinion. Violently.
Replayed SA2 last month and it was... frustrating. I just wish the content was a lot more well balanced in SA2, Sonic and especially Shadow feel like the tertiary gameplay style because there's SO little in the way of speed stages, Sonic and Shadow are the main draws of this game yet they're treated like the after thought. Playing up to 4 or more treasure/mech stages back to back just to get to a speed stage ain't fun. I actually did enjoy the treasure hunting stages but I modded the game to use the SA1 style radar... like it should've in the first place. Mech stages though, nah they were awful, especially Tails ones, almost made me quit the playthrough. This game has a great story, so I hope we do get those eventual Adventure Remakes one day.
every stage type has the same amount of stages
People usually forget that the reason why SA2's radar can only track one emerald is because if the radar were to track all the emeralds, it would break the multiplayer mode.
Then why not change it back to tracking all three shards for the single player mode? I’m sorry, that’s just not a good reason for that
@@UltraSTH
Yeah, I'm still baffled why they decided to do that but when I found out, I became dumb founded by the idea. I'm wondering if it's because of hardware constraints
@@TermiHorsecitymore like "just put the game out and be done with it" constraints
@@AnnieCruz_x That could be partially responsible like their time constraints didn't give them enough time to undo the coding for single-player campagins.
@@TermiHorsecity Iizuka said they worked on SA2 for roughly 1.5 years. Maybe if they had the full 2 years to make the game we might get more speed levels also. The SA2 team making speed levels make them different than other Sonic Team people.
As someone whose favorite character is Shadow ever since he was introduced: I want to play as Shadow. So you can imagine my hardship considering like the majority of Sonic games don’t have him playable. Last time I felt alive playing a game from this franchise was Episode Shadow dlc in forces, and his campaign in Sonic 06. Hell I even beat Solaris with super Shadow and got the S rank with him out of the 3 super hedgehogs.
4:52
I agree so much. When me and my brother played through this game about two years ago, we got stuck on Death Chamber for a HOUR, because the last key was in a very stupid spot.
The reason the mech and treasure hunting segments aren't critiqued in the same way as the Werehog is because the SA2 levels still follow Sonic's design philosophy throughout.
All these stages can be sped through and completed in a matter of minutes for experienced players.
(Something that can't really be said for the werehog even with exploits being used.)
Not true. You can beat the werehog levels quickly as well
@@SFproductions1 You most definitely can't. But that depends what you mean by "quickly" because the average Werehog level takes 5-10 minutes. While a treasure hunting stage takes 3 minutes or less. As I said, without exploits it's not possible and because multiple sections quite literally lock you to a room until you defeat all the enemies.
It doesn’t automatically become better because you can actually go fast after 800 hours of playtime, there is likely a different reason, like nostalgia bias, so many of the people who say they like SA2 talk about how they grew up with it on the GameCube and have fond memories of it.
@@harrythehamster4518 That's nice, but it's just factually the case. You don't need "800 hours" to do this, it comes naturally with experience. Beyond that, the game rewards speed and actively expects you to get those lower times to get the A rank. The majority if not all of your score comes from the time.
Something that's not the case for Unleashed.
You're rewarded in the Werehog sections purely on how many enemies you beat, finishers and objects you destroy. Showing that the objective of those levels is fighting.
@@AizakkuAnalysis it’s not like people don’t critique the other 2/3 of the game, there are plenty of people who do, and rightfully so. Also were mech stages really designed for “going fast” as you say they are? Because all I see is slow clunky controlling mechs going through slow level design, more along the pace of a normal 3D platformer, if not slower, I would also like to note on top of that you can easily get an A rank by just holding the lock on button and releasing in all the levels, your only evidence that they were designed for going fast is that you get a time bonus for going fast, which can be mitigated by just holding down shoot button, and did they really want people to learn to go fast in treasure hunting stages by taking hours upon hours memorizing the locations of the emeralds? If so that is a poor choice in itself.
This is what Needle gets for calling Gens overrated
benjy says your days are numbered btw
@@SFproductions1 Tell Benjy that I love him and he’s my pookie
Oh my gosh, based video
I used to be one of those people who praised SA2 as the greatest thing since sliced bread. But a few months ago, I replayed the game and i really didn't enjoy it that much.
9:35 I can never understand why people don’t like the Mech and treasure hunting stages because it’s not a sonic and while people praise the chao garden. Because that’s not what I think when I play a sonic game neither
Chao garden was optional. But otherwise, yes, chao garden is perhaps even more unfitting.
I can rely the problems you said, but I don't get when you said some things like "unlike SA1 treasure hunter stages aren't optional here" in SA1 they weren't optional either, cause SA1 has a final story segment which you required to beat the game with all characters (and no I'm not counting mods that allow just beat the game with one character to unlock the final story, cause that are mods) anyway back to adventure 2 even when I like this game isn't perfect at all, but after playing it so many times, I always enjoy coming back to it, except for getting all the emblems, that sucks
Thank you finally I find someone who agrees with me
We all have unpopular opinions, Sonic 06 is my favorite Sonic game
project 06 just proves how much potential it had
@@n3bula. FAAACCTTSS, I mean it can’t redeem one specific aspect of the story but the game in itself was everything kid me wanted in a Sonic game
@@dariusreyes797 story wasn't that bad tbh just the kiss
@@n3bula. idk when or if they’re gonna do this…but they need a Memphiles again or something like him
It's my second favorite Sonic game, after SA2
May be a hot take, but I enjoyed a majority of the treasure hunting stages in this game. Them and the Speed stages were great aside from one of Sonic's(the gravity one you mentioned) and that one Rouge stage that takes like half an hour because the map is ridiculously big and convoluted(it's the one based in space I think? Been awhile since I've played). The mech stages absolutely suck though aside from Eggman's first level.
I dont really think sa2 is a fun game .
The knuckles / rouge stages are just bad and the tracking one emerald at a time sucks
The tails / eggman stages are mediocre at best.
And the sonic / shadow stages are just not so good sa1 levels and sonic just doesnt feel right compared to sa1
SA2 is a game that I love so much! It’s a game that I can replay a lot. The Speed Stages are very fun to play and my favorite Sonic stage is City escape and my favorite Shadow stage has to be Radical Highway. My least favorite Sonic stage has to be Crazy Gadget I just hate the gravity gimmick and least favorite Shadow stage has to Sky Rail. The treasure hunting stages in my opinion are good. Least favorite treasure hunting stage has to be Mad Space and Meteor Herd. The Mech stages I feel like are very easy at times. The boss fights are a big improvement over SA1. The story is probably the best story in my opinion. I respect your opinion. Great video SF Productions)
How is the story good.? Sonic gets arrested a second time when he apparently did nothing wrong when he just committed several crimes such as
- murder (he killed the members of the military that were arresting him in the helicopter - probably some other crimes for that, also any military mech drivers in boss fights)
- resisted arrest (same helicopter scene)
- several acts of property damage (piece of metal from helicopter he used as a snowboard, cars on the road, train cars, military robots, military mechs, etc)
- involuntary manslaughter (there were definitely people in some of those cars in city escape. Some were even moving)
- public indecency (Shoes are not enough)
- some kind of traffic law (snowboarding? in the middle of the road and into incoming traffic)
- theft (Those rings do not belong to him)
- escaping from prison (tails and Amy also included for Prison Island)
- kidnapping (When did Tails's parents agree for these adventures?)
But apparently, team dark is in the wrong. For security hall, that five minutes was bullshit. Eggman just said I need to get the emeralds in fifteen minutes, but NO. I can apparently do it in five. Also if Rouge had ten minutes she could have easily escaped, but NO, Shadow needed to save her ass with chaos control. If he's going to do that just do it in fifteen minutes. Also why does Rouge 280 even exist? Also why is Tails in a mech? He should be using that weird physics defying pair of tails to fly around. If that mech is a form the tornado can take, why doesn't Tails just fly it over the stage? A good ending cannot fix a story filled with plothosed and general bullshit
@@SwiftSwelterI don't think I can take you seriously
@@SwiftSwelterI honestly have no clue if this is satire or not. It reads like a CinemaSins video lmao.
Like, is the fact that Sonic didn't get charged for public indeceny REALLY affecting how much you enjoy the game? I mean, good on you for forming your own opinions, but this is truly one of the most bizarre takes I've ever seen.
@@JohnSmith-mk5jt some were less serious but I was saying I think sonic shouldn't be more of a criminal than shadow from a story perspective
One thing I like about Sonic Frontiers multiple characters is that they all have Sonic's gameplay, They just varitate Sonic control. Amy is a more vertical Sonic. Tails is a flying Sonic. Knuckles Is a horizontal airborne character. They all play the same. Knuckles doesn't have his own treasure hunting mode.
Also the Multiple playable characters aren't optional in SA1. You're have to play them to see the ending of the game. I think the character blending is better in Sa2 because you don't just play Sonic and then are left with the other shitter characters the rest of the game. Like I know you get a credits for beating Sonic Story. But you get a credits when you beat the hero story.
Yeah, that's how Sonic games used other playable characters before the sa games.
I understand that how many people - that many opinions, but... Isn't it better, when characters with different abilities do tasks - respectful to their abilities, and not the same platforming sections that are only slightly altered?
There is a mod for SA2 that allows you to play whatever character on whatever level, and frontiers update 3 feels like if this mod was added on top of the base game. There is no unique levels for each character and no different tasks, only basic platforming, that isn't even stylised good. Proof of concept and all, but update 3 in general felt alot worse than the base game.
@@Gozan
Even the same platforming sections can be done respectful a characters ability.
The problem with each character being too unique is that we end up getting polarising, out of place, gameplay styles that result in awful games like sa2.
@@snakey888 And again, different opinions... I get that you don't like old 3d sonic games, but does that make them universally counted bad? Well, if it would, then there would not be such big talking point about bringing that gameplay concept in the past few years. And then Frontiers would not try to bring that style of games back, with different playstyles and wider areas to explore, only being limited by time and resources that developers really didn't had enough. It's kinda similiar to 06 incident but this time it wasn't that big of a disaster while some moments still felt more or less unfinished.
I don't see problem with some people not liking certain games (really any games, not only this one) while most others just... do like them, for one reason or another, but what I really don't like and won't accept as norm is when said people try to speak for everyone and proclaim that their opinion is superior to others. This is what you're doing and what this video author didn't do.
@@Gozan
Havent seen anyone to ask for that concept to return. And Frontiers does not try to bring that concept back either. If anything the concept Frontiers applies is more similar to the Mega Drive Sonic games than the sa games.
Sonic games are forced to have other gameplay styles because the speed stages are very time consuming and very expensive to make and they only take a few minutes to beat because you are going so fast. A modern day 5 hour sonic game with only speed stages would be in development for 10 years which is obviously way too long. There are videos who explain it with more detail, but modern sonic games will never consist of just speed stages.
sonic colors
@@SFproductions1 yes, but that is a ps3 era game. Modern day games are way more time consuming and way more expensive to make. For example it is estimated that some ps5 games such as horizon forbidden west had a budget above 500 million dollars.
@@haroeneissa790 sonic colors wasn't a high budget game and it was Wii exclusive
@@SFproductions1And if it weren't for the unnecessary short gimmicky levels between the main acts it would be a very short game, so they had to use filler reused content within the same game to make it longer.
@@haroeneissa790 Sonic Colors was made for the Wii. The Wii was the hardware of the GameCube with some extra stuff for Internet and Wii remotes. It is not accurate to say it is a ps3 era game because it is made for hardware from the ps2 era.
I first played the Dreamcast versions of the Adventure games in my childhood when they were new games,(I kept them + the console and they are all still in good condition) the difficulty in the sequel one made me like the first one more back then. Though in my adulthood for the first time ever getting through all 3 of SA2's stories in December 2022 made me be a big fan of SA2 along with the fact that Shadow became my second favorite character in this franchise beside Sonic. Silver is my third favorite one. Liking SA2 a lot easily made me get even more hyped for the upcoming third movie because elements from this game will be adapted into that movie. SA2's soundtrack is great and it's iconic main theme (Live and learn) is currently my all-time favorite song! Great that it was confirmed that that song will also be in that movie!
I read the title and audibly said “How fucking dare you?”
Sa2 deserves its love
Great story writing
Most levels are good (if you try to get good at them you'll see)
Music is perfection
Rolling around at the speed of sound
Got places to go
Gotta follow my rainbow
Can't stick around, have to keep movin' on
Guess what lies ahead
Only one way to find out
Must keep on movin' ahead
No time for guessin', follow my plan instead
Trusting in what you can't see
Take my lead, I'll set you free
Follow me, set me free
Trust me and we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, follow me
Follow me, set me free
Trust me and we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, prove it to you
Follow me!
Oh, yeah!
Danger is lurking around every turn
Trust your feelings
You've got to live and learn
I know with some luck that I'll make it through
Got no other options
Only one thing to do
I don't care what lies ahead
No time for guessin', follow my plan instead
Find that next stage no matter what that may be
Take my lead, I'll set you free
Follow me, set me free
Trust me and we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, follow me
Follow me, set me free
Trust me and we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, prove it to you
Follow me!
Follow me!
I'll make it through, oh, yeah!
I first played a completed this game a week and I loved it. SA2 makes you try new gameplay styles, if you were able to choose who to play you would just play Sonic and miss out on so much, it would be a waste of money. It’s like if you’re eating a cake and you just eat the frosting off the top, like yeah sure it probably tasted good but you just wasted your slice of cake that could have tasted way better if you just ate the whole thing. But, really bro? GREEN FOREST? City Escape and Metal Harbor were right there and you said GREEN FOREST is the best speed level. “Oh no, the timer is counting down and bigger now, zoinks scoob, I’m really invested.”
Right but in this case the frosting tastes good yeah but the cake itself tastes bad
Mods, take away his cake and RUclips privileges.
The game already is a waste of money, at least for Sonic fans who care to play Sonic gameplay.
Talk about low budget arguements! No good opinions? I’m outta here, I actually have good takes!
LOL I enjoyed this video, but this was basically my response. I also liked the Running staged the most, for sure. But then bro said Green Forest, I was like "Green Forest?!... Ok I guess." Lol
I do get his opinions, I just vehemently disagree. I don't think Sonic was ever supposed to just be about speed, but replay and exploration in order to work up to high speed. In that regard, SA2 does that some of the best in the series with stages like METAL HARBOR, CITY ESCAPE, and yes, Green Forest. Lol But that's also the reason for the "gimmicks" in some of the stages. They encourage exploration and finding the alternate paths in a game that needs to streamline the gameplay.
The worst thing about this game imo is the camera. It's actually broken and terrible lol It ruins some otherwise great gameplay.
Coming back to this game almost 20 years later, I actually like the mech stages more than I did as a kid. I find the platforming fun for the most part and I like the shooter style beat em up gameplay. I completely get not liking it, but I don't think it's bad.
Same for the treasure hunting levels. They also have worlds in them. They have secrets, power ups to find and each has a unique ethos. I thought that was pretty fun. I also love the knuckles stages' music. I am an actual rapper, so I don't think the bars are game changers, but the vibes are dope. I will actually walking around singing Pumpkin Hill lol (Guilty Pleasure)
But yeah, the strangest thing was that SF seemed to praise almost every part of the game while also saying he just didn't want to play it lol
Fair assessment, if not a strange one. It's interesting that so many people agree. Lol
The Internet is a wonderful place
7 Seconds till the end. Time enough for you... perhaps. but what will you do with it? let's see...
Wait you love FF7 remake series and play those games too Shaulov? I didn't know there were sonic fans that loved FF like that.
@@dave9515 bro FF7 OG is my favorite game of all time. Currently halfway through rebirth and it’s probably gonna be one of my favorite games of all time
FINALLY, SOMEONE WITH THE SAME TAKE AS ME, i never really liked SA2 but since it seemed like a fan favourite i refrained myself from saying anything
In the 2000s people said this. In the 2010s and 2020s no one dared bash SA2
@@AnnieCruz_xWe must break free from this pro-SA2 agenda.
4:32 the thing that these people like is to dominate the traversal using the fast controls to pick up momentum and master the use of gliding and diving to move fast around the map, using the radar instead of your eyes.
So... that could be seen as a skill issue....😅(don't hate me pls)
I heavily agree with this opinion as much. The first time when I heard people praising the Adventures games (mostly SA2), I decided to buy them on Steam but when I finally started playing SA2 before SA1…. I knew something started to get boring over time after City Escape and Wild Canyon. Also one of my main problem with the game is like: it’s doesnt follow or doesnt know the essential philosophy on whats the first game is about like for example:
-Amy Rose character change in SA1 to SA2 (personally, she was more useful in the first game than the second cuz she has her own arc/storyline).
-Tails being in a machine while he can just run and defend himself as Sonic
And many more btw.
Speed stages are good but some are very flawed ngl.
Tails, Knuckles and Rouge stages 👎🏾
And on top of that, 7:28 Funny enough, I appreciate more the Eggman stages than the Tails because it’s fits to Eggman scheme archetype (since he’s a scientist, all the levels who are with technology and labs are actually fitting to his character, fast-paced and short and yeah also kinda fun 👍🏾.
SA2 isn’t that bad but it doesn’t deserves a lot of praise and love what the fanbase tried to make it up to be. 6,7-7/10. It’s like more in the B- tier imo
And I can agree that the story writing of the game is really good and charming + I love the cutscenes animations, even though they’re ugly looking but still good shit in my eyes
I will say I agree with the Mech stages being unnecessary but I don’t mind the Treasure hunting since Sonic games have always been a mixture of speed, momentum, and exploration. Also Knuckles and Rouge are just so fun to play around in the wide open treasure hunting levels.
I guess the word overrated now means something people like that I don't
I wish if we can delete these words from existence , it's killing the meaning of having an opinion
...huh? Why would that be what it means? The meaning of overrated means something is rated or valued too highly. That's exactly how this person (and most people) use it. He thinks most people rate this game too highly, thus it is overrated.
@@zame-osomething5096
I don't think anything should be called "rated too highly" everyone have his own opinion after all
@@haiderraad468 If the majority people think a movie is a 10/10 and its average score is around 9/10, and then a person disagrees with that common consensus and thinks its a 6/10. Then they think it is rated too highly and is overrated. Something can be rated too highly (when talking about opinions). so ye
@@zame-osomething5096
I get your point , i just think these numbers aren't matter most of the time when someone give him opinion about some project
This game doesn't scratch my top 10, either. While I do enjoy quite a bit about it, it didn't do that much to resonate with me. I just kind of went through the game, and that's it. Memories help me remember games and like them more, but I don't have many from this one other than probably the bare minimum, which isn't enough for me to put this game over something like Frontiers, Generations, or S3&K.
Pretty fair take on the game. I played SA2 a lot as a kid, but I spent around 90% of my time in the Chao Garden. The only time I would replay a level was if I was grinding Chao Items, and the only level I replayed was City Escape. Also, the treasure hunting levels, especially the late game ones, can go to hell. I have little reason to go back to the game now.
I'm so happy that I'm not the only one that doesn't understand the praises the game gets. I thought the game was fine. But way too overhyped and not as great as many people seemed to be.
Also unpopular opinion, but I really don't like Shadow. I get he has an traversity backstory & all. But I just found him kinda bland and I'm not really an fan of edgy characters.
i think it has some sort of magic or vibe that makes the bad parts feel not so bad in the midst of the experience.
it’s hard to explain, but when this game has its highs and even some of its mediocre points, something about it feels so cool. I think the overall experience makes it so good.
this was a great video. I really like your channel dude
I appreciate it!
Heroes is what Adventure 1 and 2 wish they were. I have all 3 on PS3, Adventure 2 is left to collect dust and so is 1. I have done like 2 levels as Sonic on 1 and dropped it. I'm playing through Heroes to 100% it a second time.
I feel like SA2 is one of those games that "you had to have been there" to get the full enjoyment. At least for me, I was 11, no internet and exposed to Sonic games in order as they were released. I had no expectations for it. I loved playing as multiple characters, the chao garden, the multi style gameplay, the character development (at leas the impact it had on me as an 11 year old) and the multiple challenges per level. Looking at it now, yeah we have been spoiled with easier rail grinding, smoother speed levels (remember 06' and it's terrible super speed levels?), better level designs, etc., but I decided to stop buying Sonic games yeas ago. They are not fun to me anymore. I want the open world, SA had, the multiple, but not absurd amount of playable characters, I want the multi-style gameplay, I want the chao gardens and would it kill Sega for some character development? The characters turned into insufferable one dimensional caricatures.
As we grow up we learn our parents are not perfect, hopefully they were loving and continue to grow and learn with us. In a way I feel that way about this game, it was a great game at the time and I will always think of it fondly. It had a lot of potential moving forward... and then I slowly lost interest in Sonic due to the characters losing complexity, hoping for another game like SA or SA2. Probably not most of the fandom, but I feel let down by SEGA afterwards. They did seem to try with 06' and failed horribly and I kinda gave up after. It seems children's media has devolved into flat characters, there is a good one about Spongebob on here, and it's a problem. I find I connect and stay engaged more with things that have complex characters. Sonic to me was a cool dude, with witty comebacks when appropriate, but when SHTF he was level headed, strategical and put other's before himself. He was awkward when it came to Amy, a big brother to Tails, a quick learner when dealing with new rivals, he did learn chaos control after all, and liked to relax on the beach. I feel the subtilties of it are gone and it's more, hehe chilly dogs, egghead haha egg joke, silly all the time.... sigh. Yeah just my thoughts on it all.
Ngl I played both adventurer 1 and 2 on steam for the first time a few years ago. I loved adventure 1, 2 had its moments but also some rough moments particularly the knuckles stages
I completely agree with EVERYTHING. However. This was made during a time when Sega had no fuckin' idea what they were doing. So we gotta respect the effort
You can do that while also criticizing the game for its low points because we have to judge a piece of media for what it is and not what it could’ve been.
I am not entirely convinced that they knew what they were doing ever since haha
They had made adventure 1 in 1998. You cannot be serious right now when they ruined good aspects of that game
@@ToonyTails and I understand that, still though, considering this was a step in the right direction
@@ZiX8outoff8m824disisgr9 real
Your title and thumbnail is on point for click bait. I am sure every sonic fan is going to click on this thinking "wtf"
Oh 100% that was the goal but I completely agree with the title
I really love this game
Really matured past the days of debating with strangers on the Internet
This game is really impactful, but not for me, I put it at B tier below frontiers. I enjoyed the speed stages but not as much SA1, I like the treasure hunting stages, the mech stages are fine.never bothered for the rest of the game 😅
I just completed the game, it needs some mods for yhe physics and radar to make it a better experience, the base gsme is very hood anyways!
Who let bro cook 💀💀💀💀
I love this game but I respect your opinion. This video is super well made, keep up the good work
This take is so cold that im storing my leftovers in it.
For the treasure hunting stages it was confirm that they intended for the Emerald Radar to work how it did in SA1 but didn’t make it finalization because of time constraints, which, given SA2’s rocky development and SEGA’s shenanigans in management …..yeah. Granted it is still fair to criticize it because at the end of the day it did release as it did but I think the treasure hunting stages would’ve been great if they had time to implement the radar like in SA1 like they intended to.
Agreed
I agree with everything you just said, i first played this game 7 years ago, finished it and never touched it again. This game is awful when it comes to everything that isn't Sonic and Shadow. And the fact that the Mech stages are the ones that take the majority of the stages is what ruins the game for me. Tho Team Dark is probably the best part of the game where the mech stages are so good for some reason
I won't take this slander. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is the best Sonic game! Here's to SA3B! 🍻
Sonic heroes is sa3
@@PowerCellin .... no... just no... this might be a hot take, but I hated Sonic Heros.
@@Schnidog08 I kind did too
nah, sa3r
Sonic 06 was as close to an adventure game we got for SA3, it's a shame it's such a mess...
Just a theory here. If people were to stop liking sa2 as much like people did with colors when ultimate happened then will people continue hating on other sonic games people have liked for years so unleashed gets to continue its time in the spotlight
Knuckles needs speed levels too, like in Sonic and Knuckles. Make stages that make his abilities feel good.
*I agree to some things you said. But there is something I want you to acknowledge, SF Productions.* Every few years, the internet Sonic fanbase changes. And majority opinion changes.
SA2 did split the fanbase due to the treasure hunting stuff in 2001. Even Sega fansites were heavily divided. But I also want you to acknowledge that SA2 is the game that initiated the "only Sonic should be playable" thing in the meta era.
As a RUclipsr I would like you to at the very least acknowledge that and give your subscribers that history lesson. Because the initial negative response to Sonic Unleashed and the Werehog is directly linked to this.
I never got the complaint that the game forces you to play the other styles when every other 3D sonic game does the exact same thing. Even the fan favorite sonic unleashed has you play werehog stages to get the daytime ones. Same for gens and even SA1. The quality of these play styles can be debated but if we’re purely criticizing this game for being 2/3 non-sonic then I feel other games should be held to the same standard.
I literally address that in this video. Just because other games do it doesn't make it okay.
@@SFproductions1 ik I wasn’t talking specifically to you, I was more so talking ab the community as a whole. Mb I should’ve made that more clear ^_^
Trivia: Takashi Iizuka's favorite game he worked on was Sonic Adventure 2
SomeCallMeJohnny: Do you like Adventure 2 more than Adventure 1? (Laughs)
Takashi Iizuka: Yeah (Laughs)
this is why we cant have nice things
I hadn't played either SA game in a very long time, since I was a kid. Went back to play them again a few years ago and damn... the original one aged SO MUCH BETTER. I couldn't bring myself to get anywhere close to the end of SA2 but I beat SA1 and had a good time doing it. Something about the game just felt really off.
Actually the cutscene audio leveling is not the game’s fault as the Dreamcast had this “auto leveling system” and would lower the volume of the music and amp up the voice clips. Also the cutscene animation was actually mo-caped
The speed stages throw away the slope jumping that mage platforming so nuanced in SA1.
It also doesn't do multiple playable characters nearly as well as SA1.
It focuses on speed but unlike Unleashed and Gens it doesn't have obstacles to dodge to make it more intuitive. A lot of just holding lest stick.
Just compare the Truck chase at the end of SA2 and Generations and you can see the difference.
So I by no means think it's a bad game but it is HIGHLY overrated.
I get your qualms, but I'd partially disagree. I do think it has shown problems with age, but i do think that each gameplay variant holds it's own merit.
I would say it makes sense to say the gameplay is a bit too different. To use an analogy, you'd say it's like playing fire emblem, then suddenly switching to street fighter?
Though, to counterargue, I'd say the "speed runner" sentiment is held through the whole game. Maybe less so in tails and eggman, but you need to shift your mindset a little and they can be quite engaging.
Because of this game we get Live And Learn in eveything Shadow related.
I swear if they put Live and Learn in the movie..
I remember cobanermani456 playing this
I miss cobi 😢
If Sega would have not made the Tails/Eggman stages the game would be in my top 3 list
11:14 mentioned Chaos twice, but no mention of Metal Sonic.
Woops
So is Sonic Unleashed nowadays.
I get it was initially over hated when it first launched, but the sonic fandom in general are arbitrarily treating it like it’s the best Sonic game ever made, even though it’s only a third of the game that’s worth playing. By that logic, I guess Sonic Lost World’s a banger too because half of it isn’t off brand…Utterly ludicrous mindset. I’ve never understood it.
The werehog is a god of war knockoff and NOT what I want out of a Sonic game. And no amount of gaslighting is gonna change that for me.
THANK YOU BRO
You're the one other person I've seen actually bring this up with sonic unleashed fans.
Every time I would have favorite sonic game other than unleashed(Especially whenever I brought up frontiers), the community would usually strike me for it and start talking about how underrated and good unleashed is; Honestly made me hate sonic unleashed because of those type of people.
Wherehog wasn't great, for sure, but I think the playstyle itself isn't bad. Level length and the amount of time required to take down some of those enemies is pretty abysmal though. And I'm definitely on the train that if I'm playing a SONIC game, I wanna go FAST.
Overall the game definitely deserves to be remembered somewhat positively, because there's some genuinely great stuff here. But I'd be wrong to say there aren't better Sonic games.
Oh, and BTW, I played it for the first time 3 weeks ago.
I grew up on skylanders and when i got the chance to play unleashed at a cousin's house the werehog stages felt like a worse version of skylanders tbh
The only thing of value the mech stages brought were the songs that played in Tails' stages
yeah ngl, I did have fun with the game, but in comparison to generations or unleashed. It was definitely the more frustrating experience.
So I found a mod list that might help the experience
Eternal Engine and 2 stages/bosses right before made me rage quit
I highly respect your opinion, however I do disagree with some parts (eg: "why can't we play in individual characters like sa1?!!?!?!?" Well, you are supposed to play along with the story, it's literally what Sega intended players to do). Nevertheless, great video and keep up the good work!
I still hate people calling old sonic games "dated crap". Sure it was revolutionary for its time, and it is kind of old now but you can't just modernize a game with a clap. Unless some sonic fan with a budget tries to do this, it takes money and effort to give a QoL update and polishing the game even further. If it was good for its time it still keeps its pros, although it may gain some cons over time, again, it still keeps its pros for the most part.
But each person their opinion. That was just my grain of salt.
I am so glad you made this video because I have the same problem with sa2 when I was playing sa2 and I was in the mood for Sonic stages but then they through me into tales stages and Knuckle stages and I was like okay but it happened and again and again and I was like can we move on to Sonic please
oh no...variety.
Shadow, Chaos Blast this man into nothingness.
i think it should been optional to change other characters instead of a requirement to the level.
The biggest impact of Sa2 is that it was the first Sonic game on a nintendo system, and because of that many people's (nintendo kids) first Sonic game. Probably where most of the praise comes from. The game was fairly controversial among the Sonic fans, even at the time, because of how far it strayed from the previous games.
I liked the first game a lot more.
Remember eye strain migraine, I mean lost colony level. Only 1 third of the game are action stages and the rest is well... there lol
I completely disagree but I respect your opinion
not that i think the game is a masterpiece or anything cause I don't but I still consider the game to be awesome
Proof that this game is NOT the best Sonic game
i still like the game but the only problem is that there is barely an sonic gameplay but i still enjoy the game and mods help like ALOT
Your video only further shows why SA2 is still underrated. I speak as someone who played it for the first time in 2022 (no nostalgia glasses).
First of all - only the PC version, because all versions except the Dreamcast have terrible cross-shaped dead zones, which can be fixed through the gamepad settings in Steam. Because of these dead zones, the character is almost completely tied to 8 directions and is unable to smoothly change direction using the stick, which is why mech stages suffer the most, since a sharp change in direction destroys your momentum, and this is precisely what mastering the physics of mech movements is all about, non-stop moving through the level while maintaining speed and collecting as large clusters of enemies as possible in 1 salvo.
Also, people still cannot understand that the hunt stages are based on clues and the radar is only for initial training, the main idea is that you will read 1-2 clues and purposefully run towards the emerald shard even without the help of the radar. Yes, this will require a lot learning, but that is the design of the entire game. This game is aimed at maximum replayability. Each gameplay style is unique and has depth for constant skill improvement.
Also it was funny to hear about bad cutscenes and animations when SA2, despite its technical limitations, has one of the best facial animations of the character and constantly moves and acts in cutscenes, while now 90% of cutscenes characters just stand and play standard idle animations with doll facial expressions. About loud music in cutscenes: It seems that everyone should already know about it, this is the fault of all ports of the game and, again, its can be fixed by the mod.
This game is truly UNDERRATED, otherwise Sonic Team would have stop trying to reinvent the formula a long time ago and would have simply continued to develop the formula of Adventure games.
I don’t want to be harsh, but if you rate the game so low (6 out of 10), then apparently you more like Sonic himself and his entertainment than his gameplay, which is fine, not everyone has the opportunity to devote a lot of time to improving a skill in the game or just wants, with a minimum of effort watch the blue hedgehog run fast and do tricks. But it can also often turn out that someone may not understand why this game is so great and form the wrong opinion about it, and then this opinion will begin to spread like wildfire, which I really don’t want. I want Sonic Team to see as clearly as possible that the Adventure formula is still the best formula we've had and in 20 years they haven't been able to do anything better, and the more people talk about it, the faster Sonic Team will realize this.
Which is why I said in the video "this is my opinion and don't let it change yours". People have different tastes in gaming yes
@@SFproductions1 I understand. But I'm afraid this phrase has become so standard that many people simply ignore it, and one way or another your opinion will influence people who did not understand SA2 well or did not play it at all. Unfortunately, in our time, opinions are often formed at the expense of the opinions of others. Many people just want to be part of society and agree with the general opinion (even if it's wrong) without having their own. That's why I decided to write this comment - create at least some kind of counterbalance to an opinion that is far from the truth, even if it is a drop in the bucket.
Glad to see someone sharing the same opinion on this game while explainig it, not just saying "it's hard/boring". I don't understand why some people tend to handicap their perception of the game, because it's literally what an opinion "in a sonic game I only want to play as sonic" is. Wouldn't it be better for YOU (the player) to learn and improve your skills while playing the game, instead of just setting your mind to "I cannot enjoy this playstyle because it's not sonic".
I first played this game at the end of 2023, almost right after Adventure 1, and until this day (so it would be 4-5 months) I just can't stop playing it from time to time, while first Adventure I really liked but only replayed it a little bit. And what would be mind-numbing for me in this game (2 i mean) is only replaying speed stages. Shooting and Hunting stages by any means are not the "bad part of the game". They offer you a different playstyle, but the challenge is still the same - complete them as good as you can, meaning both time and score. I probably even like Hunting stages more than speed ones, because you don't just need to run from start to finish but freely explore the level, yet still, the faster you can do it - the better. Most of the time I'm just ignoring hint screens because for me it's more interesting to find the things only by radar.
Also, about the problems of the port. I sure understand that not everyone knows about some game issues being present only in steam pc port, and that almost all of them can be fixed with mods. I simply got lucky learning about it before playing Adventure 1, therefore I knew that I had to do the same mod therapy for the second game. It's sad that some people first played these games in less good state that they could simply because they did not know better, but if someone knew about port problems and that they could be fixed with mods yet choosed to just not use them (despite setting up mods for these games are very easy and user friendly) then their "worse than it could be" experience is completely on them.
i agree with you tbh i actually hate the adventure games its a very rare opinion but i didnt enjoy neither SA1 or 2 i really want to enjoy them just like others but i cant i tried to give them allot of chances but they have too many flaws and allot of boring parts
Not a rare opinion at all. Even at the games original release it was quite common.
It obviously has its problems, but as someone who didn't play this game until about a year and a half ago, I totally get the hype. For most things except the mech levels. Don't care for those. But the music, style, and speed stages rock.
I agree and disagree, because most of the time spent in this game for me was replaying Sonic and Shadow stages and this game is my top 3 3D Sonic game because of it (if we don't count P-06 then top 2 only beaten by SA). And when people ask, what I want from Sonic games, it is Sonic's gameplay from those games (tho I like Gamma and Knux hunt stages from SA).
I didn’t like this game at first though the sonic gameplay has grown on me to the point where I can’t decide which I prefer out of sa2 speed gameplay or sa1 speed gameplay but I prefer the characters of sa1
I recently beat the game for the first time and I loved it the story, the music, and the gameplay I enjoy all three gameplay styles
It's definitely in my top 5 favorite sonic games
Next time when u say something referring to an audio snippet or a music clip can u play a tiny bit of it for context
Sure thing 👍
@@SFproductions1 I’m subscribing cuz u take constructive criticism well I can’t wait to see you grow