S&W Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry!
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.30 super carry is a great cartridge imho hope more manufacturers start making guns chambered in .30 super carry
its fairly easy , mag needs a new follower and a new barrel avidity arms did it with the pd10
I just can't understand how hrfunk only has 70K subscribers. This guy is so far and away better than most YT gun reviewers.
Thank you! I’m just thankful for all the subscribers I do have.
This is one of the best channels out there ,and it’s non biased and the reviews are straight forward . Some of the big tubers out there with hundred of thousands or millions of subscribers always suck up to the product ,even if it sucks because they get feee stuff . I’m sure you know the few I’m referring to.
Definitely concur.
Totally agree. I think of Paul Harrell when I watch these. Very informative without any fluff.
I couldn’t agree more. HR Funk is the real deal!
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one of the very best "to the point" reviews I have seen. As always, an outstanding production.
Smith and Wesson mp 9 shield plus is my carry gun
My Shield Plus 9mm with the Swampfox Sentinel is a tremendously accurate pistol. I'm 74 years old and still consistently make head shots at 25 yard hostage targets. It's my edc over a variety of other pistols. Over 1,000 rounds and zero malfunctions. The magazines still suck to load so I use the Uplula loader for the last few rounds. Thanks
Wish the caliber had caught on. Surprised by how much the 30 SC still go for on the secondary market.
If you order online, the 30 SC range ammo has come down and is comparable to 9 mm of the same make and model.
In the early 1970's in SE Asia, I observed the effectiveness of the NVA's very capable 7.65mm French Long. I expect that the .30 Super Carry would be capable of Journeyman work out of that platform.
The 30 Super Carry is really just 32 ACP magnum, and yes, quite similar to the French Long. I believe they would have had better success if they hadn't gone for broke. A beefed up 32 ACP that could still be used in 32 and 380 size pistols, that somewhat outstripped the 380 might have had a lot of appeal. 50K psi is just too much.
30 Super Carry, just what I'm looking for ...
You and 3 or 4 other people.
@@HalfCrazy520 wrong lol theres a cult following now
The Shield Plus is an excellent weapon.
The 30 Super Carry, as of right now, is DOA.
There is SOOOOOO much competition in both 9mm and .380.
Of course, that could always change.....😊
a bright colored ball I've found is super nice for a small carry pistol front sight; I love how easy it is to pick up the bright green on my P365XL; it's comforting to know in case my dot's battery is out or the lens is dirty or it's super bright outside that I can quickly pick that up. Cheers Chief, and happy father's day!
To be fair, I would like to see advertised vs actual velocities with 380 and 9mm out of Shields. I would bet that those are actually below advertised figures as well, and would show that the 30 SC is much closer to 9mm in power than it is to 380. I live on the west coast (I'm conservative, go figure) and I purchased the Shield Plus in 30 SC specifically for mountain lion defense. Those cats are sneaky and fast. A few years ago, a lady was eaten by one on a mountain trail some 20 miles from my home. So I needed a sneaky and fast gun to match. I've seen enough gel blocks to convince me that 30 SC does, in fact, usually penetrate deeper than 9mm, so this gun fits this niche perfectly. I now have 4 Shields (two 9s, a 30 and a 40) and they routinely outshoot some of my bigger pistols. And in case I come across a black bear, I'll be carrying a 686 357 as backup. Bottom line is, I was as hesitant as you were at first about 30 SC, but now I really like it. Just to prove I'm totally nuts, I also really like 40 S&W. And 41 Mag. And 327 Federal. And 45 GAP..
Just FYI, the published ballistics for the 30 SC indicated the results were obtained with a 3.5” barrel. 9mm ballistics are usually measured with a longer barrel. Out of the 3.1” barrel of the Shield, I would not expect 120-130 fps less than the published figures. In the case of the 9mm, I would be less surprised.
I think the shield plus is a great carry pistol. After watching your video, I'm not so sure about it in 30 super carry. You were very accurate with the pistol. Thanks for this great video and review.
I looked at this for my wife's CC, but I'm not the one to go for new cartridges as I have seen them become obsolete, or, at least, have limited availability. The 9mm Luger used to be an odd ball, as when I was a kid, I only saw it in a Luger pistol that a friend's dad had brought back from WW2. I even considered the 25-06 as something new, until I realized it really originated in between 1912 and 1920s, LOL. Now, its my favorite.
Street cred too , needs to be a proven cartridge. 5.7 had alot of things going for it but it seems to lack stopping power.
I'm still holding on to my 357 Sig. I would rather that come back than count on another new weak cartridge.
I carry the 9mm Plus since its introduction, replacing my Shield 2.0 and original Shield. I agree with the review on the improvement to the triggers from one variant to the next.
Another thing about the 30 super carry is going to be ammunition price and availability, obviously 9mm will have more options for ammunition and at lower prices and availability will be better.
Expect prices more in the .380 category.
Great channel! I have never seen anyone that looks more like a marine than this guy.
The more calibers the better off we are as consumers.
One of the points in favor of 9mm in the 9mm verse 40S&W debate is the extra 2 or 3 rounds in the magazine. You get more rounds in the subcompact guns for the same size with 30 SC. Anti-gun advocates may one day get the gov to ban "military calibers" from civilians, like in Mexico & some other countries. 9mm, 45ACP, 380 were all issued to the US military. Having defensive guns/ammo in other calibers already on the market are good. We never know what the future holds. If firearms owners don't get politically active in protecting the 2A we will get ridiculous restrictions. I don't want our only choices to be 30 SC,40S&W, 45GAP or 357 SIG but they do work and we have guns in those calibers available.
I would like to see a revival of 45 gap. Full size Glock 17 mags in 45 gap are 10 rounds, making them restricted state compliant. Ca is 3 weeks away from another tax ontop of rationing. If you can find one for sale dirt cheap, disassemble and send an upper to a homie in a crappy state. I found mags for 5 bucks but no barrels
I literally picked up one of these pistols about a month ago. I already have a couple of "micro 9s", but was curious about the Shield Plus. This Shield Plus offered not only a different pistol to try out, but a different caliber as well. And at $299 with night sights and optics ready, it seemed like a good purchase. And just because I own a BUNCH of 9mm pistols, doesn't mean I can't enjoy trying something different once in a while.
Good. I hope you enjoy it.
I luv my.30 sc,I have the s&w ez slide nice little pistol, did some ballistic test nice expansion with federal hp.thank you for you're review
Picked up a 9mm Shield Plus three months ago - with a four inch barrel ! Very easy compact pistol to shoot. 1,120 fps from 124 gr HST. It’s now my EDC.
I’ve got 150 rounds thru my shield plus in 30 super carry with no malfunctions till date , I was able to get 14 rounds in the flush fit magazine… ran it like that the whole 150 with one in the chamber for a 15 round set up plus the 16 round mag as a spare… great offering from smith & Wesson ! Hope it catches on .
Get a magguts +3 for the 9mm Shield Plus 10rd magazine and install that in your 13rd 30sc magazine. It gives you 17rds of 30sc in a still small footprint magazine. That's what I did and it functioned flawlessly after 200+ rounds at the range.
@@copper178sweet lol ima try that thanks !!
the capacity is a nice feature I would love to have, but just too expensive and not ubiquitous enough to be worth it over 9mm
@@jthrelf in my area self defense ammo in 30 super is the same price as 9mm 40 45 38 etc
I believe the reason for all the 30 super Carry fanfare was that many people believed they would come out with a Ruger LCP size small Pocket gun in 30 super Carry... Of course it's not technically possible.. in a gun that small also where are we looking for the holy Grail in a cartridge.... I think 9 mm has got us covered especially with the small compact available nowadays... And if people want something smaller they can go to like a LCP Max 380... If someone for some reason cannot handle the recoil of a 9 mm that can go to a full size 380.. or 380 shield.. Ruger has a nice 380 larger size pistol out there.. so my opinion is there is really no market for the 30 super carry .. and like the 45 Gap it will go the way of the dodo bird just my opinion....PS .. it's a shame the 32 ACP was not developed to be more powerful.. as I really like that caliber and I micro pocket pistol.. I do carry my Taurus TCP 380 daily. . but every once in awhile while wearing lightweight shorts I will take my Kel-Tec p32 gen 1.. and place it in the pocket holster in my right front pocket... It's even lighter... I carry Underwood cavitators in that gun.. but I wouldn't hesitate carrying hardball...32 ... As hollow points in 32 ACP out of a tiny barrel never expand.. just some thoughts wish they would have developed a more powerful 32 ACP for people who don't like The recoil of a pocket pistol in 380
Even though it failed the tack test, I think it's evident that it's an extremely accurate handgun. Mine in 9 mm is one of the most accurate pistols I own, even with garbage ammo.
I carry the smith shield plus 9 performance center with ported barrel. The porting really helps recoil. I walk 5 miles every night around my neighborhood and it Pocket carries well. I love a good snub for waist carry but this shield plus is perfect size for decent accuracy and it holds a ton on rounds. Also love mine has a safety:)
That cartridge sounds like what Co. Cooper would call an "answer looking for a question".
cooper did the same thing being in between calibers like 9 mm and 45 for 10 mm so the 30 super is a in between other small calibers but a boost just as cooper did with a longer case 10 mm
A fair evaluation of both pistol and cartridge. A friend has a Shield Plus in 9mm and I rather like it. When the 30 Super Carry was announced, my first thought was "Here we go again; a re-invention of the 30 Luger, only in a straight wall cartridge". (I like the 30 Luger) Your chronograph readings show that the 30 Luger with a 93 grain bullet at 1210 fps actually has more energy. Even so, IMO the 30 SC isn't bad. It's just that the 9mm is better.
I've got that pistol and I shoot it very well. I don't know if it's the sights but it's really accurate for it's size. You're right about the mags, but they do loosen up a bit as one would expect. I still use a loader though.
Got the Shield (not the Plus) in 30SC. 100 rounds with no issues. A gun I could take or leave. As far as the 30SC cartridge in today's world there isn't much there to write home about. It will be a range gun and that's about it. Like you I would not want to be shot it either.
Howard, here's a trick for loading stiff magazines: Smack the magazine bottom against a hard table AS you push the round down into the feed lips. It also helps to first use the old trick of rapping the back against a hard surface, to move the rounds all the way back in the magazine, before trying to load those last one or two difficult rounds.
And, don't you have an UpLULA yet? If not, get thee to a gun store and buy a couple ASAP. Sooner or later you're gonna have to put up with the same old guy ribbing the rest of us do, might as well get some benefit out of it!! ;-)
Ha, ha! Thanks. I’ll give that a try.
I carry the 9mm S&W Shield Plus Performance edition. Great trigger. The magazines WILL loosen up shortly. I used a mag loader for a bit to cram the rounds in there, and soon I could load mags by hand. Great presentation, thanks!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
It's my understanding that Smith basically went to their own version of the Apex trigger for the Shield Plus. Between my Shield Plus(9mm) & my Hellcat, the Shield is a bit more accurate but not enough to matter for self defense. The Shield Plus grip is just enough bigger than the Shield to fit my hand & the only complaint I ever had with it was the backstrap was narrower than the Hellcat & tended to fatigue my hand more with range sessions over 100 rounds. Even so, my accuracy didn't deteriorate with either gun.
I still have both but decided to carry the Hellcat because it's slightly smaller & easier to work on if/when needed. The Shield Plus is held together with roll pins that will wear out much quicker if it's taken apart much. The Hellcat has floating pins held in by springs in grooves much like Glock pins. Obviously this wouldn't be a concern unless you shoot them enough to need extensive maintenance but my engineering education tends to push me to the more durable design. Be careful moving the rear sight on the Shield as it also holds down the plunger & spring for the striker safety.
I agree about the 30 super: possibly good for someone just getting started but offers nothing over the 9mm's I already have. And I refuse to own a striker pistol with a manual safety. Good review sir.
I liked the feel of the grip on the original Shield. I put Talon grips on, and liked it even more. I didn't downgrade it for less capacity and still like it.
The question 30SC answers is more rounds in the same ize package as 9mm without loss of effectiveness. If you believe that you will find yourself in a situation where you will need more rounds than your typical 9mm carry gun has to successfully defend yourself 30SC is a good cartridge option.
0.4 inches makes a big difference at lower length barrels. I would revisit it with a barrel to barrel comparison between 30SC and 9mm. With 30SC, the capacity improvements outweigh whatever ballistic difference there is between the 30SC and 9mm and they are very similar in ballistics. That's basically where it all counts in these smaller EDC handguns.
I'm sorry, but .30 SC makes about as much sense to me as developing a new .43 Magnum rimmed revolver cartridge...just because!
As for the S&W M&P Shield Plus...I'm a big fan.
Oh, I'm for a 43 rimmed, or how about bringing back the 44 rimfire? LOL.
Re magazines. S&W has some QC issues with Shield Plus mags both in 9 and 30SC. There is a video online that shows the little plastic base where they forgot to trim it a little more. You can compare it to the factory mags that let you add all rounds comfortably and see where the plastic needs trimming. I’ll post the link of a video that shows the trimming process.
Thanks. The Shield in this video was loaned to me and it’s already been returned.
I love that Smith and Wesson is practically giving away the 30 super carry guns, but I don't know if it's worth getting one if the ammo ever ends up being discontinued or very expensive.
I agree.
I have been watching for a couple of years Mr Funk, Have learned alot and enjoy every bit… I have been catching up due to my mother she has been in the hospital since April 12th..
I hope you and the family are doing well Sir, as always thank you for your service and God bless 🙏🏻🇺🇸
You are most welcome.thanks for watching and best wishes for your mother.
@@hrfunk Thank you. Made my day with the response! 🙏🏻
@@hrfunkyour reviews & video productions are GREAT 👍👍
Our best to your mom.
Sir, excellent video. Thank you so much, love watching you review the different firearms.
Maybe it's because I'm a revolver shooter and thus don't have "a stake in the game", but the Shield Plus in .30 SC sounds like a very attractive package. I am a big fan of .32 caliber cartridges in a revolver; especially the .32 H&R Magnum.
I love the shield plus in 9mm
Honestly, it’s my fav carry gun! 15 round mags
30SC and 327FedMag are such great carry calibers if you're okay with getting away from more common calibers. Great video!
Thank you!
Thx Chief for the look at the 30 SC Shield 🛡🗽🎯📜 carry on 🔫🇺🇸
My pleasure!
I was in Richmond today and therefore these brief comments have been delayed. I wholly agree with HR’s concluding remarks and would offer two thoughts:
1. Re the Shield Plus: It’s a very good micro-compact, some will favor other options in this class of semiautomatic😢 (and that’s just fine), I personally prefer barrel lengths in excess of 3.5 inches for improved velocity and sight radius.
2. Re the .30 Super Carry: I can’t figure out what deficiencies the cartridge solves, especially in comparison to the 9x19mm. While its size may mean marginally more capacity, when was the last time a lawfully armed citizen required a second 9mm magazine to successfully resolve a decisive confrontation? I respectfully suggest its recoil mitigation is too slight to be meaningful. And how easily will .30 Super Carry be found in the average county store, when compared to 9x19mm? Perhaps (??) this round provides solutions to non-existent problems?
I would replace my 40SW Shield if they made a plus in 40. These Shield pistols are some great tools for sure
the .30sc is one of those interesting rounds that needlessly gets people's panties in a bunch. lol. before I got mine (the shield ez) i already had 6 of my 9 handguns chambered in 9mm and never once thought i'd be buying the s&w to replace the 9's. that's just silly. matter of fact, i've gotten 3 more 9's since the .30sc purchase. both are nice rounds. i really don't shoot factory stuff in any of my guns. my .30sc handloads with the 100 xtp moves along 1300 fps. my 9mm handloads average that 1097 - 1140 fps with a 124 xtp depending on the gun i'm using. both small rounds compared to other stuff in the safe but both would certainly serve the purpose. kor
Howdy Chief,
The main thing I have against this firearm isn't the actual gun itself, it's the caliber it is chambered in. I won't even argue the virtues of the Shield+, the potency or effectiveness of the .30 SC, but something that is always on my mind and is a concern is the availability of the new and expensive ammunition. After all, no gun, no matter how great it is make much sense without the proper ammunition readily available. If someone does purchase one in .30 SC I sincerely hope they purchase enough ammo in the proper configuration (for its intended purpose) for the long haul. I have seen many many "wonder calibers" pretty much disappear from the marketplace. Try and find some .357 Maximum, .357 Sig and many others in local gun or big box sporting goods stores. Gun companies and ammo manufacturers constantly look for a "new mouse trap" to invigorate the industry as well as new sales. Splitting hairs on calibers like this one may temporarily increase their sales, but as always...... let the buyer beware! I ALWAYS think, LONG HAUL when purchasing a product. Again, the best advise is to stay away from this caliber until and IF it ever becomes common. Stick to the calibers one can walk into a gun store or big box store and walk out with at a somewhat reasonable price.
For many, it seems the argument is 30SC vs 9mm. But for me its a clear and decisive win when looking at it from my perspective of 30SC vs .380acp
30sc is a great addition to the US caliber family... I love it just like I love the 327 mag....If some of these you Tuber reviewers had their way it would be all about the 9mm. Glock and 5.56
Other than adding a few cartridges to the magazine, what does the 30 SC do that the 9X19mm has not done for well over a century?
Nice review. The 30 Super Carry's real advantage is capacity much like my carry revolver in .327 Federal Magnum.
You need more rounds cause it's less powerful than 9mm
@@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack More capacity is good because in a panic situation you are very likely to not shoot well.
@@scottperson9487 And in a multiple attacker situation.
@@MichelleObamaIsPackinASacksame argument I’ll make against 9mm being less powerful than 40.
You need the 2 more rounds of 9mm in a 15rd Glock 19 than your same size Glock 23 with 13rds of 40.
Problem is that 9mm does the same in FBI gel testing that 40 does, so an extra 2 rounds of 9mm is better.
30sc does the same in FBI gel tests that 9mm does, except you get 3 more rounds in a 30sc Shield Plus, but you would get 4-5 more 30sc rounds in a Sig macro, Hellcat, Cr920x.
I was interested in this idea mainly for the capacity increase but never got one because of ammo availability. I always thought it would be a fun gun to have a modern gun like this converted to 7.62x25 Tokarev and run the hot military rounds in it. Great presentation here!
Great show. Like the low recoil
The 30 super carry. The answer to a problem that nobody had.
i think the price of ammo held it back being more in price then 380 or 9 mm, and at that tme having a ammo crisis and bad economy with lock downs and work restrictions, was a bad time to introduce a new cartridge and guns, Federal wanted its oun cartridge and may seem not needed but same can be said about 9 mm diameter or cartridges or close to it wich are many yet all about the same diamenter, 9mm, 380, 357 sig, 38 super, 38, 357 magnum, 9x25 dillon, we love all those so allowing another of what is basically a 32 its not a big deal given we have so many 9 mm diameter cartidges we could have said why add another one to it as well, if a 9 mm got a hotter cartridge why not a 32, a man and wife couple on youtube chose independently the 30 super as being faster accurate follow up shots and then some of us dont notice a difference, so once again its more about cost of ammo as a issue and as far as capacity some dont train like we do so maybe if they dont shoot as well having a couple extra rounds some may need in a stuation that most of us who train where lower capacity isnt a issue and we are profficient on mag changes. as 30 super lowers its price and adds more bullet options it could become alive again and may, we just dont know. in testing we have to remember its not box velocity and energy but same length barrels of 9 mm vs 30 super and even though the 30 super is considered hot they may have a +p maybe in the future, buffalo bore, underwood and reloaders may gravitate to it if prices come down to 9 mm or below that
Great review i like.30 sc no going to use it as my combat pistol but as a backup it is good 🔫
Great work!
Always remember "youare not a tack-driver when shooting the shield plus". Thanks for the varity of distances. I think the .30 caliber is good for niche shooting. Very good for certain applications, but not necessarily for all carry applications. But,,, a defensive carry firearm is better than no defensive weapon. Thanks for the review.
even though I love high capacity anything beyond 13-14 rounds is good enough for me GIVEN THE OVERALL RELIABILITY DURABILITY AND ERGONOMICS. I trust Your judgment and objectivity regarding 30 Super Carry albeit not super excited. Even though when I was young I liked that hot Tokarev / Mauser 96 ammo very much................
Chambering this in 7.62 Tokarev would have been even better than the .30 Luger that I suggested here. In any case, Smith & Wesson could have done collectors a favor by giving new life to a classic round, rather than pushing a so-so imitation that no one had.
Good review, very good shooting. The Shield Plus seems to work.
My view of the .30 Super Carry; If you look around and shop sales, you can get factory 9mm ball ammo for about $15 for 50 round boxes. I really don't expect that you will ever see .30SC go on sale at all! I'd expect a price of at least $30 for a box of 50. Probably more. That's twice as much money, or half as much practice.
Very good review. Would greatly appreciate your review of the S&W 632 UC revolver in .32 H&R Magnum.
If I get my hands on one, you’ll see it!
Good work as usual HR. I don't have anything to say about the S&W. The 30 super however... The Tokarev is a much spicier 30 cal. I'd much rather carry a Tokarev if I actually wanted to carry a 30 cal. Cost of the ammo for 30 super carry is a major distraction, especially for new shooters. If someone is recoil shy, get a 380. If you want the most economic and available, get 9mm. If I want to carry and shoot expensive cartridges I'll stick with my 357 Sig or 38 Super or 10mm. The 30 super was the answer to the question no one asked. It was only a scheme for Federal to generate revenue or at minimum, exposure. The fact that so many more 380 guns have come out since the 30 super tells you everything you need to know, ie the new Beretta 80x, the Taurus etc.
I had a 38 super but a 30 are they similar ? outstanding review
I genuinely hope that 30 super carry is able to take off. I'm not fond of the hand feel of the Shield Plus personally, and I'm disappointed S&W has yet to release a Performance Center model in 30 SC, despite 30 SC ballistic data being based off a 4 inch barrel, such as found in the Shield EZ.
am a shield guy for sure, have both the 2.0 and a plus in 9mm and am never without one . I think one of the reasons the 30sc has lagged is the 50psi chamber pressure. I think the smaller companies dont want to deal with it.And Sig learned a lesson with the 357 sig. thanks for a great review
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
The shield plus 30sc is an excellent edc pistol. The comparison to 9mm is totally asinine. If you want a High capacity, easily concealable,reliable pistol with plenty of knockdown power it's a Solid choice. The ammo is a little expensive but you dont need to stockpile a huge amount of edc ammo anyway. Its an accurate pistol as well. I hold my thumb on my firing hand tight to the side of the pistol and it can be fired rapidly and stays center mass for me. I frequently use .45 acp, 9 mm and I really like my 30 sc for edc, I like all 3 calibers.
I hope it serves you well for a long time to come.
The 30 Super Carry is too French for my tastes. 🧐
.30 SC by the "Taylor KO Factor" is 5.9 KO.
9mm NATO is 7.2
.45 ACP is 12.6
10mm is 13
This is another reason why I feel 9mm is the minimum acceptable defensive round, and only because of magazine capacity.
If you live in a 10-round-magazine state, I see no point in 9mm (and definitely not in .30 SC).
s&w use the same spring in both mags so take them apart and count the coils and if the same cut 2 coils off the shorter mag and that should fix it
I suspected that. The pistol in this video was loaned to me, so no alterations were possible.
i got s&w m&p 2.0 no safety 10 mm. m&p pistols are nice. I'm not sure abour 30 sc but definitely like 10 mm holds a lot
Hey Howard excellent content as usual ! Super carry never took off . I’d rather have a 380 ppk. But I’ll take an m@p 9 over both for certain ! Good video though with the comparison.
Thank you!
Well done, Chief! IMO, a 90gr or a 90gr +P 9mm load seems like the better alternative vs. a new gun in a new caliber. 👍👍
I don't want or need 30SC, but if it had attracted new people to shooting it would have been worth it. As I understand it, it has the same recoil as 9mm.
Pre video thoughts: Another nothingburber from Smith. Cartridge & handgun. Many others are doing what this one is doing and doing it better. (Think: P365 & Hellcat Pro). The others do it with a 9mm.
Post video thoughts: Very accurate round/pistol/shooter combination.
Recoil seems easier to control.
For a bullet caster, reloader, I see nothing that would cause me to buy components/tools for another cartridge.
Maybe when I turn 90 I’ll see some benefits to switching.
They measure velocity at the muzzle, not 5-7 yards away.
This cartridge reminds me of a high pressure 7.65x22 French Long.
Ian McCollum has entered the conversation.
I’ve heard other people make the same comparison.
I just wish that Smith & Wesson had gone with .30 Luger, thanks to all the firearms that are still around chambered in that cartridge, rather than making a possibly slightly warmer new round that no one had.
As things stand, .30 Super Carry seems like an answer to a question that no one was asking, an answer that doesn't even offer the power of .357 Sig, a round that I wish would catch on, rather than limping along.
But then, I carry a .327 Magnum revolver as a backup and am also with other pistols someone who tries to keep oddball calibers alive.
I just recently took an interest in the .327 magnum and find few available new pistols. I'll have to track down good condition used examples of recently discontinued models. I'm sure many .357 mag enthusiasts could say the same "answer to an unasked question" comment in regards to the .327. The .357 sig catches hell from the .40S&W nuts and .357 mag devotees like Yankee Marshal. I may have to look into the .30 Luger and the classics that fire it. Maybe someone could make a new updated Luger with a double column mag in 9mm, .30 Luger and .30sc?
Excellent video and commentary! :)
Thank you!
Good video HR. I don't see the utility for 30sc over 9mm given that 30sc seems to be more like a watered down 9mm and given how supported and viable 9mm already is.
It sounds like you don't subscribe to the philosophy of never selling guns you buy. I recently traded a lightly used Walther PPS M2 I got used a few months months prior for a lightly used P365. The P365 is smaller and holds 4-6 more rounds in the mag, so it seemed like a no brainer. The problem now is that I'm starting to wonder if the P365 has replaced the need for my Glock 26 which has been my CCW gun for years. Part of me says to not get rid of whats been a dependable pistol for me, but part of me is starting to think that life is short and if I'm not going to shoot/carry a gun very much anymore, I might as well free up the safe space and apply that cash to something useful. Its a dilemma! Thanks for all your great content.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Surprised the velocities were so low. That much pressure should have performed better.
.30 SC? No!
Very nice review! One comment: the advertised energy and velocity statistics you showed were for the 100 grain Federal HST. You fired Hornady and American Eagle which I think are 115 grain? Before you send back the pistol, maybe see if the HST lives up to the adverted velocity and energy?
Full disclosure: I carry the 100 grain HST in my Shield Plus.
The photo came from the S&W website, but the data on the Federal and Hornady sites showed the same ballistics. Just to clarify, both of the loads I shot in the video had 100 grain bullets.
@@hrfunk My mistake. You were firing 100 grain ammo during your review. I stand corrected.
Good morning HR. I think I'll stick with 9mm. Aside from a couple more rounds in the magazine their doesn't seem to be any advantage for the 30SC. Availability and price of ammo could also be a factor to consider. I like seeing the shop and range testing together, 2 videos for the price of 1.😂
I've seen a couple of other channels talking about new restrictions on firearm videos on RUclips. Even interpreting weighing trigger pull as forbidden hair triggers.
I’m just not going to worry about every new RUclips rule. Eventually they’re going to throw me off this platform.in the mean time I’m going to produce videos the way I want to.
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I'd really like to see a Shield Plus in 380acp with around 13-15rounds ...
The Shield EZ comes in .380, but off the top of my head I don’t know its magazine capacity.
@@hrfunk , yeah I tried the EZ, didn't like the feel ..
the super carry gives you extra rounds and an increase in ammo cost.
Precisely.
I've been very happy with my shield plus. The 30 SC will probably end up like the 45 GAP. Great video.
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I can never load M&P mags fully. I always download by one round.
My old Shield was tight, but I could fully load it. This thing was ridiculous. I haven’t had that problem with any of my other M&P pistols.
I had a shield in 45 and 9mm. I have thought about a shield plus optics ready buy have other pistols in that class, People say it is that good though. The 30 super carry is a hard pass for me. I am surprised you don't have a 9mm shield plus optics ready.
I’ve got other pistols in the same category so I don’t really need the Shield.
It'll end up similar, too, but not as popular as 357 sig.
I'm curious on this gun. Prices seem to be cheap currently. I'd like to see a full size pistol as well, mag would probably fit 22 rounds or so in a glock 17 or equivalent
Maybe, but the only full-size handgun I've seen chambered for the 30 SC is a 1911 variant (off the top of my head, I can't remember who makes it).
@@hrfunk Nighthawk I believe. A nice pistol but it is definitely an expensive collector's piece. If Glock would make 30sc versions of their models that would be a big boost to the caliber. Glock fans/fanatics would add them to their collections which might move the needle on ammo cost/availability. It is a shame S&W didn't release a ported 30sc with their newest releases. Maybe even a ported equalizer in 9mm and 30sc. It is an interesting caliber to me but I tend to like odd things, 9mm and 327 magnum revolvers look like fun shooting.
30 SC? Hmm. Interesting.
I have the 9mm optic ready model. I'm around 2500 rounds in. I had to buy an Amazon push speed loader to help break my mags in. I've heard the bottom of the follower has a bit too much material that you technically could just file down.
Could be. Since this pistol was loaned to me I couldn’t do any tinkering with it.
The magazines of my Shield .40 absolutely required the purchase of a Maglula loader. As for the .30 Super Carry, I am in agreement with you.
So this "30 Super Carry" ammunition is basically: a "32 acp Super Magnum" 😮😅
This ammunition is way to expensive, and not easy to find. With very few choices of ammunition in both range and self defense loads. Rather pointless.
I think I'll pass. Wait and see if this caliber catches on.
I just checked my closet, my belt is still there. I apologize for acussing you of stealing it.
Glad to see the gun coronagraph used hrfunk. I am back now this afternoon after enjoying much time with my grandsons this weekend and my son too.
Springfield XD-S 2.0 OSP with 8 rd mag is my carry handgun. Do not need 15 plus rounds. I have a Taurus G3 capable of a 17rd mag if i want that.
if you bring your dog to the range....pick up after it .....please