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Canik TTI Combat vs Rival DS & Mete SF on the Range!
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Excellent review of three OUTSTANDING 9x19 semiautomatics. Canik certainly designs and manufactures high quality, reliable, accurate and affordable autoloaders.
I understand HR’s closing comment . . . and fundamentally I agree with it. When I retuned from an arduous 18 months overseas assignment in 1971, I rewarded myself with a terrific, five-inch barrel, S&W M27. It was - and it remains - a splendid N Frame .357 magnum revolver. I rented a home in Northeast Philadelphia, proximate to my new duty station, in a neighborhood where I clearly was “the kid” and where many of the male residents were WW II vets and firefighters or cops, We got along very well and eventually I was invited to use the Philadelphia Police range, when accompanied by one or more of my neighbors. Routinely, I shot “okay,” but one of my friends was a superb marksman. His weapon of choice was a K Frame, M10, that - I’d guess - had been manufactured during in the early-1930’s (perhaps even the 1920’s). It has a “tench” rear sight and a very stout front sight, it was anything but accessorized and it was a basic as one could imagine. However, I don’t believe he ever purchased a beer - after shooting, we’d adjourn to a small “mom and pop” NE Philly taproom for refreshments . . . winners did not pay.
Well, my point essentially is “it’s the Indian, not the bow and arrow” that determines accuracy.
And this returns me to the Canik-TTI. I suspect that modern, formal handgun competitions are a lot “glitzier” than guys in the early-1970’s, shooting for a couple of beers, and wearing dungarees and sweatshirts. The firearms are not only excellent, but additionally they are showpieces, decked out with all sorts of “beneficial” accessories . . . and they often sport ostentatious colors, slide designs, and grips. Now, it is entirely possible that these “additions” actually improve accuracy and speed, but only very marginally. For me alone, this Canik-TTI Combat is embarrassingly “showoffish.” This certainly does NOT mean it is other than an excellent autoloader, but I’d be happier with standard firearm’s black, with fewer highly visible slide cuts, and so forth. Unquestionably, this is only a single Fudd’s opinion.
So, a this is doubtless a stellar firearm, but I’d wager that Ken Hackathorn could greatly out-perform most of us - equipped with this Canik - with a pre-World War II BHP . . . it’s the “Indian, not the bow and arrow.”
Thank you for a really cool story and a really great point!
I've only been shooting for about a year now, but whenever I've seemingly hit a wall in my performance, it has always turned out to be me that is the problem and not my gun. No amount of fancy doodads will make up for skills.
Except red dots. Those things actually cheat.
Very good post and personal reflection.
I have not shot the TTI but I’ve handled it a lot. It’s cool and probably the only way most people will ever own any firearm with Tarrin Butlers name on it. It’s still a Canik which is a Walther P99 essentially in new clothes. Nothing wrong with that at all. It’s a solid design to copy. For the $ I’d purchase a Walther PDP pro and spend the extra $200 on an optic or more ammunition to practice with.
Great review and my GF is laughing because when I heard the noise behind you I yelled thats a bucket and I was right , my youth spent working in food service has finally paid off !
Through my hearing protection, it sounded so odd. That's why I said I didn't know what it was.
It's refreshing to hear your honest comparisons. I agree, sometimes there is so much hype around the added fluff, but in reality it really doesn't have much benefit. The added cost is much better spent in ammo and training time. Thanks for what you do!
I really appreciate the honesty in your review. A buddy of mine is looking at Caniks now and I sent him this video since it's probably one of the best comparison reviews I've seen. If his money were my money, I'd be getting a Rival-S, but we'll see what he decides...
“Maybe it’s just me…” Your candor helps all of us, because we need to keep in mind that we are all flawed, especially with shooting handguns. Some days are great, others not so much-why? It always makes me wonder. The interface between man and pistol is extremely nuanced. Sometimes we get frustrated because our standards are unrealistic perhaps.
Anyway, thanks for your honesty!
You are most welcome.
Thank you for confirming what I was thinking. There's no justification for the added price just for a comp. The Rivial is the better choice.
Good comparison between the Canik pistols. I bought a Mete SFt and was rather disappointed in it - the trigger that everyone seems to find so impressive was creepy and soft compared to the Tisas PX-9 that I acquired at roughly the same time. I kept the Tisas and sent the Canik to Trade-in City.
I find it refreshing that you and I seem to agree on the (possible) over-application of "enhancements" that seem to be cropping up on so many handguns these days. I do not shoot anywhere close to as well as you. Jerry Miculek's competition guns would be way past my ability to utilize the special tuning and enhancements which are second nature to him. More power to those who can and do enjoy the benefits of all the add-ons but make mine a plain cheeseburger, please.
If I ever try Canik again that Rival Darkside looks awfully impressive. I'll let others be Tactical 😀
I have always been extremely impressed with my Rival DS. If you ever get a chance to shoot one, be sure to let me know what you think of it.
Every time I tell myself that I really don't have much use for another modern 9 x 19 pistol, along comes a video like this to tell me that I should make an exception for one of Canik's offerings.
Canik Combat TTI owner here who loves the TTI.
Your video is spot on so much that I subscribed.
The TTI does have some muzzle flip but the compensator will reveal its value if you’re shooting fast.
I’ve owned the Mete SFX and Mete SFX pro. I’ve shot the Rival and the rival has the best trigger of them all.
What made me go with the TTI honestly is these :
Co-Witness between the optic and irons which is super important to me.
Super John Wick fan and always wanted an Taran pistol so yes I paid for the logo and the beautiful design ….and the coin 🤣
If you already have a rival and don’t care about co witness , I see no reason for you to feel pressured to grab a TTI as the rival is more than enough.
You can’t go wrong with either gun tho.
Thanks for the sub and welcome aboard! I hope you can enjoy that fine pistol for many years to come.
Get a Rival DarkSide? Roger that!
Good Morning H, I love your honesty in how you Present firearms for review. Thanks!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
Agree with HR 100%. Not a slap at the TTI Combat but one has to ask themselves " IS IT FOR MY NEEDS IN A FIREARM?".
HR you were " tactful" as hell Marine lol! I got tons of flack for passing on it for the very reasons you mentioned in your review.
I too admire the TTI and that grip is like no pistol I have ever held. Beuatiful pistol but not for what I use my handguns for. I own a Canik ( V2, SC & METE SFT) so I appreciate the Canik pistol lines.
Thanks for your " tactful" review, hard to find any fault in your final analysis!
Semper Fi
Thanks and Semper Fi!
Im very much looking forward to this video im a big fan of Canik 's love there Tigger!!👍🇺🇸
Well done, Chief! The tack never lies. 📌 👍👍
Excellent Video Review, Shooting, and Commentary! I love the Canik TP9 Series Pistols!
My Canik TP9DA is still my favorite EDC and probably always will be!
Another fine review. I appreciate your comments that are based on your skill level and firearm purpose, while being non-judgmental.
HR you just an excellent speaker. I have always enjoyed your videos.
Thank you Stephanie. That’s very kind of you to say.
An excellent and enjoyable review. I had to chuckle at your conclusion WRT value vs the Rival. A friend and I both have the Rival (mine is a steel frame) and the TTI Combat. We both reached the same conclusion a week ago as you now have; The Rival gives up nothing to the TTI. OTOH, both are fine pistols and I'll be keeping both as will my friend.
Just got mine on the 24th pre-ordered it.
Haven't pulled the trigger yet . Love it, that will be my 6th Canik .🇺🇲⚡️😎🥳
I hope you love it!
Very good analysis and conclusion HR. Even if feelings get hurt. A man's got to know his limitations. I have no need for a 200 mph track bike either
Hello HR,
My comment isn’t about Canik but I had to tell you I just picked up my first 1911. A Tisas tank commander in nickel. I went with a Tisas in part because of your reviews. I will tell you where I got it or what I paid for it other than it’s supposed to be a Blem and the price was extremely reasonable. When it got to my FFL they examined the gun and both commented to me that in no way did they think this gun was a Blem. I’ve carefully looked it over and I can’t find a machining mark on this pistol. I can’t tell you how pleased I am with my purchase. As yet I haven’t gotten a chance to fire it partly because I’m dealing with a pulled muscle in my right arm. I can’t wait for my first trip to the range with it. Anyway just wanted to drop you a comment and let you know that I purchased this in a large part because of your reviews of Tisas in general. Take care and keep up the good work!
nice job. like I have mentioned I am a canik fan. I just dont think that is worth the price . the beauty of the canik line is value. If I'm going to hand over $900+ it will be for a sig 229 lol
Shot a TP9 SF Elite earlier today and Boi it was fun to shoot. Accurate and recoil was very manageable.
Excellent review and comparison video HR.
Thank you!
Enjoyed the video as always HR. I tend to agree with a lot of the comments I read. That being, a lot of glitz that I probably wouldn't bother with. But then I'm an old fudd who carries a stock Colt 1911 government and do quite well with it. As the saying goes, go with what you know!...
This should be VERY interesting; they are all fine autoloaders.
Good evening, HRFUNK and family. 💪🇺🇸💪🍻. Just got done with dinner, finally sat down with a glass of makers mark 46 and watched this video. I'm thinking I need to add a canik dark side pistol to my collection. I know im pulling the trigger on purchasing a IWI. All the reviews you done on that one and the canik dark side. Yep! IWI is 1st. Then the dark side
Let me know what you think of the IWI when you get it.
@@hrfunk Good morning, HRFUNK and family. Yes sir. I will
@hrfunk let us now what you think o Smith&Wesson new carry comp metal
I currently own amongst my handguns a Canik Rival S in silver and I’m just waiting for the judge to sign off on my addition of the TTi Combat on my S I have a MECANIK mo1 and on the Combat I’ll be putting either a mo3 or a Holosun comp not sure yet. Out of the 15 pistols I own the rival is the most accurate and I’m extremely happy with it. Hopefully in the near future I will be able to move up into a bull barrel pistol and I’ll see if a $2500 pistol is that much better in my hands.
I just picked up a original glock 21sf. I was excited as ever for 375 out the door and it wasn't even a pd trade in. Only to find it was a calf complaint model bummed out, immediately ran out and picked up two of the 13rd oems. Then I'm thinking about it, I moved from upstate ny years ago to East Central fl.. we both have been freed from the commie tyranny, its the most relatable firearm i own 😂❤
H.R. As the Chief of police from my home town of Scotland, SD would say to the critics FU KM. lol. or in your case FUNK M . Have a great weekend.
Much love and stay safe brother, I agree hr funk has great videos its too bad in any niche there are such trolls
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👍👍 Really good shooting HR, all your Caniks look good to me. I also agree with your conclusion at the end. Thanks for the review.
my trigger doesnt have any creep at all. i absolutely love it.
Good! I hope you enjoy it.
Yet another excellent video, and not just another head to head comparison. I really like your honest take on the pistols you review. It tells me more about the pistol than just shooting it. I've seen folks spring for the "enhanced" models when their skillset is not up to the added features and they would be better off to stick with a more basic model and work up their experience with it before "upgrading." Those with "better basics" and experience generally do better when it comes to fancier pistols, but even then if your performance does not elevate on the target it's not really worth it. Good call on your part sir!
Thank you David.
@@hrfunk It's obvious to many that you work hard at your craft and it shows!
Looking forward to this presentation. This morning, studying Gliese 12 b exoplanet said to be a bit like earth size and possibly habitable for folks here :) I like astronomy and firearms, both require honing good target acquisition skills to have fun :)
I was thinking the exact same thing, that I believe you shot dark side best! But all are really great looking and shooting pistol’s. But I don’t know if I would spend the extra money on the TTi Combat. I think I would buy the dark side instead!
Yessir, you're terrible for comparing iron sights to dots! So much so you've convinced me to try one of my red dots again. You also demonstrated a point I often make to people I teach: get familiar with a gun before deciding how it is for you. That could mean 50 rounds or 500. You have a lot more thru the Darkside & it shows. And pointing out that bells & whistles don't enhance performance until you put in the work to take advantage of them? Terrible! Too many people don't like hearing the truth. But the little things I learn from you that may seem insignificant to others can make a difference to me & people I occasionally help. So thanks.
My pleasure.
I've never had a use for Gucci budget guns. I understand why people do it, but adding $500 worth of "upgrades" to a $400 gun always seem a bit ridiculous.
and it's a gimmick anyway, you're paying for Taran's logo basically
Thanks to you, Happy Memorial Weekend.
I own 2 TTI pistols. A Glock 34 Copperhead and a Glock 17 Combat Master. The 34 is a tack driver. Better in every way over stock. The G17 Combat Master is nothing better over a stock G17, just with a higher price tag. In my opinion TTI can be hit or miss. They do have a "coolness" factor thanks to John Wick.
Oooh my favorite is the Mete sfx two tone wish you had one to review. Either way I cant wait to watch your vid. What's taking so long! 🤣🤣
Patience, patience.....
12:00 dang that is a tight group off irons from 15 yards.
I have the same problem when using OSB (oriented strand board) as my target backing. For clean holes I tape a piece of cardboard to the OSB and mount the target on it.
love my mete sfx. 👍
This is funny because I have a TTI and a rival s My tti has the new Holosun comp gr site and my rival s has the factory irons and I had the EXACT reverse results of this same testing lol
I suspect the different sights were a factor.
"Skip marked himself safe from feeling like he needed to go look at a TTI because he is extremely adverse to spending more to get….less!” Lol My Rival Darkside is enough of a “race gun” for me. 😊
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If pretty was dangerous, I’d need a deadly weapon’s permit for my looks! lol. 😂😂😂😮😮😮😂😂😂
Another great video. What brand/where did you get the Camo shirt you are wearing in the video? Thanks
I found it on the clearance rack at the Eddie Bauer store when we were Christmas shopping last December.
@@hrfunk thanks
Honest and spot-on conclusory observations about the value to most shooters for the TTI Combat. Most shooters would be better with training pursuits, rather than gun upgrades, if they want to up their game. Interestingly enough, my wife and I got to try the TTI this week, and while it certainly is an excellent gun, and very accurate, was it better than out Dark Side? Not really. While we enjoyed the TTI, the Dark Side is so good that the TTI fell off our list of guns we'd likely purchase as a result. Yet another quality gun review, Mr. Funk.
Thank you Bob!
Maybe it works better with a hotter competition load giving the port more gas volume. It isn't really a comp. The rival is already competition oriented.
The fiber frontsight in bright light can cover the top edge and maybe the backstrap as you said.
There should also be a different spring?
There is. I covered that in part-1 of this review.
I have the Rival Darkside. I just don't see anything about the TTI that makes it much of a upgrade over my Darkside. There are plenty of mods you can do to fhe Rival to make it a better, faster pistol and a better pistol than the TTI. I'd rather spend the money doing that than putting the money toward the TTI. Plus I hate the TTI color scheme. Just not my cup of tea. Canik should have used the Black and Copper/Bronze Taron uses on his Combat Master Glocks. It would look a-lot better. All in all I'll stick with the Rival and maybe buy a new 2011 !
I have both the rival sfx and rival sfx steel chrome and I don’t think this can do anything they can't. But it's always nice to have another gun 😁
Good review. Just to let you know, RUclips unsubscribed me. Not sure if that happened to anyone else?
Yes. It’s happened to a lot of people. Thanks for coming back.
If you bought a Rival S trigger shoe from Century and installed it in the mete SFT it feels exactly like the that and the rival triggers. I did it to mine and use it for a range/fun pistol
I’m sure that’s true. I prefer the stock Mete trigger for my purposes.
looked like keyholeing on first target.
It was.
Awsome review
Thank you!
Excellent review! Thank you. I have been researching this one and the dark side so your video definitely helped. Unfortunately the TTI has had a bunch of issues with feeding and such. If you do a search on google there is plenty of unhappy owners. DId you happen to have any issues shooting it? If you had a choice and the money wasn't a deciding factor, would you keep the Dark side or the TTI?
I had no problems with the one I tested. Personally, I would opt for the Rival DS. It’s lighter and I like the trigger more.
@@hrfunk Thank you!
you need very hot ammo for a compensator to do anything on a 9mm
Which is ironic since so many shooters want the lightest ammo they can find to reduce muzzle rise/increase the speed of follow-up shots. I think, for such shooters, the compensator on this pistol is more cosmetic than functional.
HR, my apologies for leaving a post that’s not subject related but I wanted to make you aware that on Hickok 45s Sunday Shootaround video he mentions meeting you. It’s around the eighteen minute mark.
Thank you. I’ll check it out.
sick shirt Chief!
Thank you!
Did gripping the TTI essentially feel the same as the Rival from an ergonomic perspective not grip texture perspective? Perhaps things would tighten up if you spent more time with it? In economics it's marginal diminishing returns, that marginal utility you get from the 10th cookie you eat is smaller than the 1st cookie you ate. I would use beers instead of cookies but I don't drink.
Yes, beyond the texture, the grips of the two pistols are identical.
Nice video, thanks! Of all the semi-autos you have reviewed in the last year or so, which one(s) are your favorite? Which one(s) would you carry and trust your life to? Just asking. Thanks!
I really like my Masada 9S and the Tisas Stingray. Also, the Rost Martin RM1c has my attention.
The TTI combat is very cool but I am so happy with my rival that i have no desire to get the TTI, just not worth the extra $300+ over the rival in my opinion.
That was pretty much my conclusion too.
So the 500.00 dollar guns shoot better than the 1,000.00 dollar gun
For me it did.
You're a terrible person!!! That is why we all watch your channel and can't wait until you post your next video!!!!!! Really enjoyed this video!! Have the METE SF and RIVAL DARK SIDE and was contemplating the TTI COMBAT. Will hold off for a while as the TTI is very hard to find in my area. All of the many many , reviewers have them that's why I can't find them at my local dealers!!!
I may already have the CANIK that I shoot best!! My groups are similar to yours, just a bit wider!!(Humor) Operator error!!
How does that tti compare you your p99 final edition? Good video lots of good info and footage.
They are different pistols intended to fill different roles. For range/competition shooting, the TTI is the better option. As a military or law enforcement sidearm, the Walther is the one I would choose.
Good morning HR. I've never used fiber optic sights. Do you think they are more for quicker acquisition than precision? I like tritium night sights on defensive guns, but all of my bullseye target guns had well defined black serrated target sights.
In shooting like most other things, good equipment helps. But it's the operator that determines the results.
I think the fiber optics, in general, are faster to pick up because they glow. I don't, however, think they are as precise as a plain black, square, front sight.
Would you ever consider carrying the Rival? By the way that bag was fully loaded and is great I'm enjoying mine!
As I recall, I've carried the Rival once or twice. It's pretty big form a carry piece, and it's trigger doesn't lend itself well to a high-stress situation.
@@hrfunk I agree I don't know what I was thinking duh.
Of course its the optic ..lol ..it matter from a baseball rifles to a softball size ..common its ok to point it out but its 100% different
Good review !!
RDS then repeat the process.
This pistol was loaned to me and it's already been returned.
I'm not sure if I would trust Canik given the quality issues they've had...
I'm not aware of any quality issues.
@@hrfunk There are plenty of examples on RUclips.
All I can say is that I own two Canik pistols and both of them are great firearms.
Chief there is no such thing s a bad day shooting. Bad results perhaps but not a bad day.
I got one of the first TTI in my area. Disappointed. No support from Canik. A lot of jams in the first 500 rounds.
That’s too bad. I hope they get it straightened out for you .
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Rival still superior
Isn’t worth that much money I have meta pro better gun
I like my Mete SF too.
Walther 99 clones, should make one closer to the original.
The early Canik pistols were pretty close to the P99.
Dont but this garbage, the Canik Combat TTI is pure junk, thousands have been sent back to the manufacture for failure to fire!!!!!
I’ve not heard of this before. The one I tested seemed to function well enough.