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All the mods on that gun are proof you can't buy accuracy. HR shot it pretty good and similarly to his unmodified.
"All the mods on that gun are proof you can't buy accuracy. "
Huh? Of course you can buy accuracy. We do it ALL the time. We buy premium barrels, ammo, optics, etc which all add up to improved accuracy. Your logic is flawed - The specific mods on that specific firearm may not have improved accuracy.
Just buy a S&W and no need to worry about any of it.
Love to see a video where you tell your friend it's him and not the Hellcat!
I sent him an advanced copy of the video.
@@hrfunk Uh oh
I’ve only fired one Hellcat. A buddy had bought it and I helped him break it in. It shot fine and functioned fine out of the box. Only problem which affected both of us was apparently riding the slide stop lever and preventing lock-back after the last round fired. He has large hands and mine are medium sized and attributed the problem to the way we were trained and practiced grip. Worked fine with a thumbs up or revolver grip. That’s the only reason I don’t have a Hellcat. Didn’t want to change up my grip. If they were so inaccurate, they wouldn’t be selling like they do. Many gun-related problems can be traced back to the operator. There isn’t one particular gun that fits every shooter.
People who complain about the slide not locking back just do not know how to grip a gun , and often blame it on large or small hands.
@@paulscountry456 or it’s the gun. I’ve been shooting Glocks and a lot of other semis for years. My adore references buddy also had those problems with a 364 and G43X. I have both and never had that issue. He bought a Shield Plus and didn’t have any problems. It’s something that can be worked thru but I guess if you have other option, it’s not a big issue.
@@sombra6153 I have an XDM Elite and when I first started shooting it, I would sometimes create slide lock issues with my support thumb. I think because I was still a pretty new shooter, I didn't mind changing my grip to stay off the slide stop. At that point I didn't have hundreds of hours of dry fire practice to make my grip dependable every time. It would be tough to re-learn merely for one pistol's sake, I agree.
@@seanoneil277 sometimes you have to learn to shoot a particular pistol, but I’m not in that position anymore. Thing is though, if you like a particular pistol and there are occasional ergonomics issues, you can adapt.
@@sombra6153 I have many auto pistols and have shot a huge variety over decades and never have I had a hold so clumsy and sloppy that I am pushing down on the slide lock, operator error , see folks do it all the time and b lame the gun, those same people can't shoot accurately and may not conceptualize how things work.
Never ever let someone else shoot your pistol. You will feel bad every time. I've been embarrassed by this several times.
1000 percent agreed
Good video Chief! The only thing I would have requested from your friend is that he also send you the original barrel and trigger to see how it performed with those also. I would bet they would have worked just as well! When I have someone who tells me there is a problem with their gun, 99.9% of the time it is NOT the gun - it's them. Today's guns are inherently accurate and they are just not shooting it with proper techniques. Anyway, I hope the guns owner asks you for a few bits of advice on how to shoot, aim and properly squeeze a trigger. Obviously - that's the issue on hand. Glad you made this one - it's a very common "problem". lol!
Thanks Bobby!
I have no doubt that your friend is a good shot. I've had a few great guns that no matter what, I wasn't going to get clean center hits with. The Hellcat doesn't seem to be his fit. I can't hit the broadside of a barn with a Ruger LXP Max, but drill a 15 yard target with my S&W Bodyguard .380. I didn't do well with my S&W SDVE, but cleaned up with my Glock 17. It is what it is. Great video!
Nice shooting. There's definitely a lesson in this. In my experience most pistols I've owned (even ones I wasn't crazy about) shoot with reasonable combat accuracy, right out of the box. Marksmanship fundamentals are everything.
Agreed!
"Poor gripping" was my thought after Funk' s first group even before the first comparison.
Agreed
Situations like your friends are exactly why the first thing i do before letting a brand new shooter use one of my pistols is to show them what that pistol is capable of accuracy wise in my hands.
They learn really quickly that handguns are much harder to shoot accurately than they think.
Same guns shoot better for some than others. What surprised me was how accurate I was with the Echelon with just irons in my hands the 1st time after an IDPA competition which a fellow competitor let me shoot his. I hit every 6" plate at 25 yards without missing. It takes my P365XL with a red dot to accomplish the same thing. So I think his next step on his problem child Hellcat might be a red dot. I would like to see a shootout between the Echelon & the new Shadow 2 compact.
I had a very similar experience with an Echelon at a recent competition at our local range to win one (I didn't, unfortunately - just a hat for third place ;) ). We had to shoot 4 elimination stages and stage two was with the Echelon. I went first and found it to be remarkably easy to shoot accurately at 7 yards in spite of the humongous front dot.
Unfortunately I think your friend has to practice with it more ( not for me to say) but it was fine as you were able to control more 👍
An interesting comparison. People have differing skill levels and some just aren't "Pistoleros". You effectively obtained the same performance from both examples. As with any other skill, pistol shooting requires practice. It's possible that your friend simply needs to devote more time on the range.
I have seen non-pistoleros become pretty skilled pistoleros with lots of practice.
My recommendation to your friend with that hellcat would be do dry fire.
Put a target on the wall, anywhere you feel comfortable dry firing in your house. Clear your gun and put your ammo a few rooms away. Ready the action to fire. Put your sights on target. And try to pull the trigger without disturbing the sight picture. Keep practicing till it's perfect. And then maintain it.
That's my go to for anyone having problems like this. The gun is 99% of the time More accurate than the shooter. Recoil control is quite a pain with those baby guns too. So once they get accurate I always recommend so talon grips and alot more ammo. It usually squares them away well enough 🤗
Great shooting with both guns , I find at range person’s have a hard time with recoiling they need a stronger grip , it’s the person not gun❤ great videos
Thank you!
Looks pretty good for a mini pistol. Maybe the gun doesn't "fit" your buddy too well
The Hellcat must not fit the owner. He should go to a range with rentals and find a subcompact that does fit him. Sig 365, Smith Sheild, Glock 43 etc.
Exactly! Some people think either they can shoot or not. I do well with most pistols I shoot, but for some reason, I can shoot better with a 4" M&P compact or a Glock 19 than I can any other pistol other than a 1911. I don't know why, but I can shoot a full size M&P or Glock 17 and shoot well, then pick up the M&P compact or G19 and shoot even better. Every time.
Some people, in fact most just can't shoot without a horrible flinch and those triggers are not great on poly clunks.
@@paulscountry456 - poly clunks?
@@chrism2042 yeah my description, they stamp that stuff out for about 90 bucks each, plastic with glass in it a cheap barrel and slide and your good to go , a gun with very little resale value and no soul, but I do like poly guns and they have advantages of course with light weight and very few parts and easy to work on yourself.
Great video. It proves the firearm is almost always more accurate than the shooter. My guess is the owner is recoil-sensitive. It also proves you can't improve your shooting skills by modifying the firearm. Practice. Practice..
Early on I used to replace my Glock barrels with Lone Wolf. I honestly think there was a difference in my G23 accuracy. Fast forward 10 or 12 years & I don’t do that on my carry pistols anymore. I get it, but these are not target pistols. I think ammunition brand & weight makes a difference also. Find one your gun likes & learn where it prints. Practice.
Good point on the ammo. I wonder what the friend was using.
This is a great way to find out where the problem lies. The last time I was at the handgun range I was shooting my EDC gun and I was shooting about 7 inches high. This seemed weird as I am usually more accurate than that with this gun. Then I was shooting my CZ-52 and also hitting about 7 inches high. This told me the problem was not my EDC gun. It was me. I had been shooting rifles before that and my shoulder may have been a little weak and sore from that.
To keep your target camera in the shade, try picking up a foam core poster panel (about 20" x 30") at Dollar Tree for $1.25 and use a spring clamp to attach it to the tripod and shade the camera from the sun. Just a "Grip" technique. Those panels are handy for so many things, and cheap.
Thanks! I just got done puttine a shade together, and it seems to work. If all goes well, I'll try it out tomorrow.
Nice shooting Chief. I suspected the results even before I started watching. The Hellcat is my EDC... no complaints. Thanks for the video and enjoy the heat we are having in n e Ohio. 👍
It's going to be pool time this afternoon!
Great video as always. Most of the time when I have issues with compacts and sub compacts its a grip issue. Overpowering my primary hand's grip when squeezing the trigger.
Then over compensating with the off hand grip. Making this mistake will ensure ever barn in America is safe. Now when I see this start to happen I put the gun down on a table and practice picking it up and setting my grip. I do this 5 to 10 times to limit the drill focus to a single task. Sometime you just have to stop, and review the fundamentals.
Subcompacts present real grip challenges for me as well, and I wear medium size gloves. Can't imagine how tough it is for larger hands. It's like there's not enough frame/grip to fill the space in my hands. One-handed, it FEELS fine in hand, but still shoots snappy since it's so small (PPS M2). When I take it to the range it takes me about 25 rounds before I've got a decent two-handed grip on it.
Last month at the range, a guy near me had new ruger 5.7 which he claimed was junk. He couldn't hit "anything". He insisted I try it. Five rounds grouped about 1.5" for me. I handed it back to him and said , "Its not the gun, it's you". I worked with him a little and he was much improved. Moral of the story.... don't jump to blaming the gun. Many times "I.O.T." is the culprit. INSUFFICIENT OPERATOR TALENT
Really enjoyed this fun video! Most modern handguns are more accurate than the person shooting them. Sometimes it's just not the right gun for the shooter or the experience of the shooter. Thank you for the great video!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
The problem with that Hellcat was a loose nut behind the grip. Same thing I find over 90% of the time someone asks me to see what the accuracy problem is with his/her gun.
I would have installed the OEM parts back into that pistol and shot it. I'm guessing it would have shot well. My own Hellcat shoots very accurately, 5" groups @ 50Y.
I could never shoot a glock well until I had a grip reduction. Believe me I put alot of ammo time practice and trying different techniques. Then I got a grip done and now I cant miss.
My gripe of the hellcat is its weight . chose the shield because its a more solid feel . there is a ton of used hellcats available. people should shoot these little guns before the buy one
I have a buddy with that same Hellcat setup, She shoots her's accurately... True Precision barrel, and Apex trigger work fine. She has a Viridian laser too, and at 7 yards, it's dead on.
Well, this was a great way to begin a Wednesday morning; THANK YOU, Howard.
ALL of us have, on occasion, blamed that damn X . . . it’s just doesn’t shoot well. Okay, I own two Glocks (a 23C and a 36) . . . and I shoot them terribly. BUT, folks at several ranges shoot them very well. So, I am forced to conclude the problem is “the Indian, not the arrow.” As I suggested, this happens to many (all?) of us.
With my snarkiness concluded, I’ll offer a more “technical”observation. OBVIOUSLY, modern striker-polymer autoloaders (especially the micro-compacts with approximately three inch barrels) really aren’t intended to be superbly accurate. Rather, their design and manufacturing teams produced firearms with reasonable, defensively effective, accuracies at relatively short ranges, which are also light, concealable and have adequate capacities. That was the goal and LOTS of micro-compacts attain it, some marginally better than others. Not too many years ago, a 2.5 or 3 inch inch barrel Roger SP-101, Smith 19, or Smith 686 defined excellent “near-pocket carry.” Well, the precision with which they were manufactured - reflected in their cost - often provided better accuracy than today’s micro-compacts. However, imho, the really germane question is “does firearm X achieve the objectives for which it was designed?,” and the answer seems to be “yes” with many / all micro-compacts (if, of course, the “Indian” does his part well).
All true except for when it happnes to me. Then, it really is that "damn X!!!"
@@hrfunk
HaHaHa . . . but you’re honestly an expert marksman and I am - at best - a pudnocker.
@@roykiefer7713 I can't even spell expirt.
Great video which shows it's the operator not the gun....BTW I don't understand why no one seems to ever be talking about the wonderful Ruger lc9s.. and lc9s pro ( pro=no mag disconnect no ext safety) . And a wonderful economical ec9.. striker fired pistols. Perhaps some people believe that it's similar to the terrible trigger LC9 original.... I purchased the Ruger lc9s pro some years back and it is a excellent gun super accurate.. super reliable 400 rounds out a brand new gun out of the box not one stoppage... I have no idea why people do not rave about the lc9s lc9s pro..? ..it's compact & 17 oz unloaded .. 7 + 1 rounds 10 round mags available... Now it comes with true Glow type sites.. which is even better..$320 new and the ec9 is only $220
Maybe I'll have to try to track one down. Thanks for the suggestion.
Very diplomatic conclusion you had about why you’re friend has lousy accuracy with that Hellcat…
Basketball sized groups???? Maybe at 25 yards. My Shield 9 does that.
It's not an easy gun to shoot if you're not used to shooting little guns I'm pretty sure it's still the lightest micro 9.
I'll have to miss the video
I'll be in surgery when this aired.
No problem Art. I hope all goes well.
Thank you ,Chief
Hope it goes as planned. Take care
Hoping you are a surgeon. Either way I hope all goes well.
I have a Springfield hellcat 9mm , I have found mine very accurate @ any distance.
The Hellcat can be a funny gun. Some people shoot it great, and others not so much. Micro pistols take a lot of practice. I found if I pulled my trigger finger out some on the Hellcat, the accuracy improved. Just one of those funny things.
Grip and point of aim are the most important to achieve accuracy.
Skill levels vary (and we all would like to think we shoot better than we probably do) but more importantly, hand size and body mechanics vary. I wear XXL gloves and would really struggle with such a small pistol. I've shot a LCP Max and can do it decently, but I would need a heck of a lot of practice to get similar results to what I can get with my Masada or VP9. Most recently, I've been shooting a Glock 44 to practice for an upcoming competition and it's taken a lot of work to get decent accuracy with it, mostly because it's so darn small in my hand. At the end of the day, it's practice, either dry fire or getting rounds downrange that get us closer to a decent level of marksmanship with a given pistol.
There’s another factor that needs to be considered. If someone has it in his head that a gun it doesn’t shoot good there is a possibility that he could subconsciously be causing the bad shooting. This can happen I know as a counselor that when you expect something you in advertently and unknowingly caused it to happen. Shooting is more of a mind game than we would like to admit. It is not always a technical failure. And our egos will not let us i accept that we could mentally be at fault. Henry Ford said some thing like if you think you can you are right. If you think you can’t you are right.
Appreciate the the subject matter. While I won't declare different pistols have different levels of accuracy, I believe different pistols have different levels of accuracy in different hands. I shoot different guns differently on a consistent basis and I have no explanation for why some consistently deliver poor results while others are consistently on target.
Interesting video. Some guns work better for some than for others.
Agreed.
Slightly more accurate with your friend's gun. All in all great shooting and fun to watch.
I've done this with friends pistols who thought their pistol was the problem and, while I don't claim to be a great shot, I have been able to get acceptable accuracy from the offending pistol, with the owner with me. Trigger discipline and sight picture was the only difference, and had to be admitted by the owner of the pistol in question. I'm a decent shot, having qualified expert in the Marine Corps, but with a few years on my eyes and fingers now, not the best. Still, training stays and pays.
Yes it does. It always comes down to sight alignment, sight picture, and trigger control.
The screen capture picture is excellent, looking forward to this review.
Perfectly timed video sir! I'm happy with my Hellcat so I bought a Hellcat Pro. Cleaned & smoothed the machine marks on the Hellcat but the Pro sear refused to do as well so I wound up putting a Powder River sear in it. I actually bought the trigger kit but preferred factory parts & springs. Probably just my eyes but both guns hit low with the factory sights so I went to XS Big Dots. Finally had time to check the zero on the Pro yesterday & was vertically stringing it between 15 & 20 yards. But my groups aren't really much bigger than yours here. I also realized I didn't really start to tighten my groups with the Hellcat until I got to about 500 rounds. After seeing this I know all I need is to get to work tightening the loose nut holding the gun. And I can be awful nutty at times. As always, thanks for a good & helpful video.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
I wish we could see your friend's face while you were shooting those nice groups!
Mystery? Not to somebody with two brain cells to rub together!😂
Excellent presentation! Thank you
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
With most modern guns from big name manufactures, its the Indian not the arrow. Looks like your friend just doesn't shoot this gun though, he may be a good shot with others. Another great video!
Thank you!
Thanks hrfunk. At the start I thought maybe the lesson here would be, "don't add un-necessary upgrades," but by the end I'm wondering if your friend needs work on his pistol handling, grip, trigger press techniques. But I don't know your friend and maybe it is some strange ergonomic mismatch. I'm still more inclined to think it's shooter fundamentals, which really can't be fixed with pistol mods -- only with shooter technique mods.
Once again your steady marksmanship is the unspoken lesson of the video.
Thank you!
@@hrfunk You are welcome.
The hellcat takes a lot of practice to master . I had problems at first . Now at 10 yards I can hit a 4 inch plate regularly
It's all about the grip and trigger control. It has to be consistent every time. Sounds like he's squeezing way to hard with his primary hand. Get a hold of a Mantis X10 and do some dry fire. It will tell him what he is doing round in 10 shots. Getting the fundamentals right will increase his accuracy, not money and upgrades.
it is not easy to shoot a handgun, compared to a long gun. You only have two points of contact on a pistol and they are both hands out in front of you. Grips size, trigger control and support hand work is very important. You have 4 points of contact with a long gun. You just have to practice more and try different things with a hand gun to get better at it. I use a 6" target from 7 to 15 yards and if i can keep them in that target I am well pleased. I am just a guy that carries for self defense for me and those around me. Try gripping more with the off hand and relaxing the main hand so you get a better trigger pull. You can buy a laser snap cap and it will show you if you are "milking" the gun. Making it go low and left, or low and right. The laser dot will come on and you will see it move. If it comes on and stays relatively steady, you are doing it right. Do not worry about where the laser dot is hitting, that is not what that is about. The grip may not fill your hand enough if it is shooting all over the place. Get a pistol with a thicker grip. Rent and Try before you buy, if you do not know anybody that will let you shoot their gun.
I’m not sure if you watched the video, but I wasn’t really having any trouble with it.
Howard, I think you need to teach your friend to shoot. And while we're dealing with his modifications, how'd you like the (I assume) Apex trigger? The one knock I keep hearing about the Hellcat is the trigger. How much of an improvement is the aftermarket replacement?
Truthfully, I liked the stock trigger on my Hellcat better. The aftermarket unit was slightly lighter, but it was also kind of mushy. The stock trigger had a cleaner break.
Uh oh! I'm in the market for a micro-9 like the Hellcat/P365/MC9, so very interested in your thoughts.
Beware of the fad towards tiny pistols that are extremely difficult to shoot accurately. Even now some manufacturers are realizing this mistake and putting larger grips on guns with short little slides.
@@Nickrioblanco1 they're definitely snappy. My issue is my G26 is too thick and heavy to wear with a thin t-shirt or in basketball shorts, etc.
For me I must have a slim pistol as I carry IWB @ 3:30. I bought a P365, P365XL, Shield Plus with a 4" ported barrel, Kimber Micro 9, & a LCP2. The Shield shoots the best with or without a red dot. But since the dot sits over the peephole the lens fogs up FAST and causes stovepipe malfunctions from the brass bouncing off the dot back into the chamber. Removing the rear sight on the P365XL keeps the dot as far back as possible removing fogging and stovepipe malfunctions. I've also replaced the barrel with a True Precision 4.2" SS threaded barrel as I like the power of a 4" barrel and doesn't add any problems for CC. Then I bought Wilson Combat grips for both P365's & found putting the P365XL upper with my Holosun 507k on the P365 lower completely was concealable. For comfort as well as keeping the grip tight to your side I use the 2 clip Clinger holster with their comfort pad. Small, thin, lightweight, extremely accurate pistol with options for 10, 12, 14, 15, & now 17 rd. mags combining Magguts with OEM mags.
@@ronolson2024 thats good info Ron, thank you. I've heard several people mention your idea of using the P365 XL slide (longer slide) on the P365/Wilson Combat frame. I agree with you that a slightly longer barrel doesn't really affect concealability for CCW purposes, it's the grip that kills you. Since the Sig parts are modular that might indicate one could buy a P365 XL, then just order the smaller WC grip online and cobble it together.
It has been my personal experience that a lot of people who can shoot perfectly acceptably with standard or target length barreled pistols tend to struggle when they try to master the short sighting radius of a compact handgun. As it happens, that includes ME! But, long story short, the simple truth is that fault does NOT lie with the gun.
I've found that there are some guns that I just can't work well with, while I have to work to miss with others. If there's no problem with individual shooting skills, there comes a point when it's time to move on to a different gun.
Great video!! And great shooting. Hellcats shoot very well for a EDC handgun. Well done!
Thanks!
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that your friend needs to take some lessons. lmao
Maybe if he adjusts the nut behind the butt plate.
A shooter's accuracy with a handgun is mostly mental. And the smaller the gun, or the harsher the recoil, the more mental.
If I want to see what someone's got, I hand them my LCP or Pico. Either one will keep them in a playing card at 10 yards.
Why? Why....wouldn't a consumer give the manufacturer the opportunity to address an issue, before replacing parts with aftermarket glitz? Too bad he didn't provide you the original bbl. to test it's accuracy.
I'm not certain if he still has it.
I can see where the replacement barrel might be causing the pistol to shoot high.
Hi Howard. Thanks for another very interesting video. Along with most of the comments, I suspected your friend had a grip problem more than an inaccurate firearm problem. Or perhaps the short barrel length caused a sight alignment problem. I’m a large guy with large hands, and I’ve found the smaller handguns just don’t fit my hands, so my grip feels awkward. I might be able to train my way through the issue eventually, but instead of changing the way I shoot for one particular handgun; I just end up carrying the one I’m most comfortable with. Instead of throwing more money at the problem with this handgun, Maybe your buddy can sell it or trade up for something that fits him better. Thanks for all you do! PS- have you tried wrapping some aluminum foil around your shot camera? Or forming a shade with foil. Yes it looks goofy but it might save you some production headaches. 👍🏻👍🏻
I just put something together. I'm testing it to see if it works.
Great content, HR! Thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
As an enthusiast I definitely enjoy owning various ones for different applications. I’d be much better served many times to practice with what I have and expend more ammunition .
I might offer your friend to check his vision. I do suffer vision issues and because of that my shooting is very “weather dependable” (lighting conditions dependable to be more precise).
Great video. Do you think a visor or parasol above your target camera help with the over-heating?
I just got dome cobbling something together, and I'm testing it at this moment. Keep your fingers crossed.
I have a similar problem with the p320 and other Sig P series guns. No matter what I do, I can't tighten my group up. For me, guns with a lower bore axis like the Beretta 92, Glock, CZ, and P365 seem to work better for me.
I haven't watched this video yet, but I can say that judging by what I've seen myself irl. It's the shooter. He has never dry fired a day in his life, and he is never the problem.
I've seen some guys at the range, they'll say man I can't get this gun to shoot accurately, can you try it? Sure I say and it's accurate. I tell them go home, dry fire some and practice on purpose. 🤗
We've all seen it time and time again, the dark side of customizations. Instead of putting time in to build skill people will assume they can BUY accuracy.
Got to have a "Hellcat Pro". Thank You for the video.
You’re welcome Chris. Thanks for watching!
I just had cataract surgery on both my eyes . I want to get back to the range and see if my sight picture will improve my groups with my Hellcat .
Your friend just needs to tighten the nut behind his pistol grips. 😁
These types of small auto pistols are short range protection guns, nothing more or less. They do the job intended.
Good morning, HRFUNK and family. Yes sir. It seems like the ' problem child ' is the guy himself
I’ve tried most of the micro compacts. I don’t care for them. Hellcats, Canik, Glock, Sig, Ruger. After a lot of $ and time I’ve decided that regular compact pistols like the G19 size pistols are just a better fit for me. To each their own.
I think, in very general terms, the slightly larger pistols are just more shootable.
Good post thx 👍 🎯 - never shot a Hellcat / man and machine / carry on 🔫🇺🇸
Maybe something to do with the way the gun fits his hand
Out of a p365 and a g43, I shoot the g43 more accurately than the p365
I think that just has to do with the where the gun fits my hand, as is more pronounced in defensive drills than it is in slow fire
It looks pretty comparable , then you laugh. Then your friend face palms as he watches.
Your friend has a tendency to flinch.
I doubt that's it. He shoots other pistols well.
There are firearms that just don't shoot well for some people. This pistol may not fit the owner's hand just right, the trigger length of pull may be too long, or the sights don't catch his/her eye very well. I'm sure that the owner probably has other pistols that they shoot very well with, this just isn't one of them. I would trade this pistol in on something that is a better fit and that I could shoot well. There are ranges that rent guns and I would test out some other models to see which one is the best fit before committing to buying.
He's in the process of trying to sell this one now.
Good tradesman can't blame his tools
True Precision. I i have one aswell. Also added True Precision comp.
Thank you. I’m not familiar with the company.
I think we've all seen gun/people combos that just don't Jive.
I have a buddy who is a competent pistol shooter, and he has trouble with the Hellcat also.
Better tell your friend to dryfire more! 😂
This was a fun video. Perhaps your friend has eye issues or you can provide a shooting lesson. You have game and can probably hit the tack with a slingshot or throwing a rock. All the best!
Thanks KD!
Possibly the Hellcat owner might try a different pistol or three, there is no shortage of choices, to find one that prints better for him. I have a half dozen 1911s that are technically the same as the rest, that achieve lesser results.
Sounds right to me, I tried a Hellcat when I was buying a micro-9 and found it fit my hands awfully and somehow felt more harsh to shoot than a 45 ACP shield which makes no sense. There is a lot of is X better than Y when discussing these (or really any) Firearms when it's really what works best for you. Private owners are not police departments or the military they don't need to buy something to standardize to that works best for - any - given person they should really only be concerned with what works best for them in particular.
i agree with some of the comments on this pistol,I dont think it was the pistol that was not accurate
Somebody sponsor this man a target camera !!!
I've got something to try next time. Keep your fingers crossed.
Maybe a ammo problem or sometimes a gun doesn't fit well and you have to work on it to find out what you are doing wrong.
He should have sent the original barrel to. I doubt the result would have been any different even with the factory barrel.
Sometimes it's simply the person behind the pistol that matters. This was the case here. Experience with firearms DOES make a difference. I could hear you resetting the trigger as you fired. Great shooting and comparison test on this small self defense pistol.
Thanks Sergerant Major!
Looks like you gonna have to tell him he can’t shoot 🤣
Maybe he’s just expecting too much from the style of gun it is
Maybe.
Your buddy didn’t mention trying various amoo. I felt the same way with my Sig 365XL the first few times at the range, then I adapted and it’s great. I didn’t like the way the Hellcat fit my hand. See vids “Hellcat vs. Cops” for some crazy outrunnin’!
I believe he and I shot the same ammo in his Hellcat.
I would check your friend's grip and stance.
It is quite apparent that both guns are significantly more accurate than I, as the shooter, would be.
Your friend needs a different brand. Happens sometimes.
One thing that i think hurts the micro pistols for "accuracy" is their size. Mechanical accuracy is very good. The ability of the shooter to establish a proper grip and then mate their support hand to reinforce their grip can be difficult for some shooters. With the 365 series my fingers wrap around the grip touch the other side of my hand, leaving nowhere for my support hand to touch the grip. The gun wants to twist in my hand as a result and it is difficult to get a proper trigger press as a result
what this tells me is that there are people that can shoot the Hellcat and there are others (including myself) that simply cannot. FYI I can shoot all my other micro nines perfect, so I don't know what I can tell you besides that
Kinda seems like the problem is the owner of that Hellcat. He would be better off trading it for a compact with a fatter grip, like a subcompact Springfield XD-9 or XDM-E in 9mm or 45acp. I own a Hellcat Pro, and while I do like it, I find the square skinny grip to be less than ideal in my hand, and I tend to be less consistent with it compared to my XD-9. I much prefer the fatter grip of the XD-9 or my P320 XCompact.
i would willing to swap my Springfield XDM Tactical .45 ACP 5" with 7 mags like new in the box and paper work for that friends problem child Hell Cat.
I know it’s for sale, but I don’t remember the price.
How tight do you grip? With two different triggers, that was some fine and consistent micro pistol accuracy by the shooter. Great work once again. Thanks.
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