30 Super Carry!
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Around a year ago, I'd been looking for something like a .32 ACP magnum but somehow completely missed the fact that the 30 Super Carry had been brought out an entire year before! Here I discuss a few of my thoughts on what I hope will turn out to be the ultimate carry round.
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30 super ammo is found in your local gun shop next to the .45 GAP rounds and the .41 action express ammo.
I came here for this comment
The way of the dodo
And unfortunately next to the 429DE
😂
Who’s dumb enough to shop ammo at your local gun stores anyway? Buy that shit online like you’re supposed to do. If you shop online, you’ll notice that 30sc HST rounds cost about the same as 9mm HST, but it’s less expensive than HST rounds in 380, 40, 357sig, 45, and 10mm.
30sct HST rounds will do exactly what 9mm HST does, except in a 30sc gun, you’ll have at least more rounds to kill the bad guy with.
I have a Steyr-Mannlicher 1905 pistol that shoots 7.65 mannlicher, which is only available from one source for 7+ dollars per round. So I did some research and got a loading die set from CH tool and die, and they recommended using 30 super carry cases and resizing them for 7.65 mannlicher. So that’s neat, and saves me a little money lol.
lol, buying a machinegun that shoots .303 British is a bigger flex than a Ferrari or a Rolex could ever be. What better way to say "LOOK AT ME, I HATE MONEY"
No joke.
Hahaha 🤑
And whats wrong with a Bren Gun or Lewis in 303 British? Both made hella fun pig rigs back when my country didnt suck..
Prices do drop when people actually buy a cartridge .
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo The only issue that I have with .303 is the price, but it could absolutely be worse; I priced 7.35 Carcano awhile back and it helped put things into perspective lol
.32 French Long reinvented
...with double the pressure, yes.
Ian loved it
Definitely more powerful and also slightly different
@@quiettime6871 that's what "reinvented" means
Which is just .30 Pedersen.
Ian McCollum: *happy noises
COOCOO 4 COCO PUDFFSSS😂
Where'n the hell you getting 9mm for 15 cents a round, let me in on the secret
Hell yah, I'm lucky to find it at .30.34 cents a round 😲
@@LAT-qk3vj Yeah that's where I'm at here in Oregon, I'd love a box for 7-8$ haha.
Directly from factory as he had all the paperwork and he is gun manufacturer?
Probably buying pallets at a time direct from manufacturer or distributor.
I reload 9mm for $0.14/rd but that's with cast lead Hi-tek coated bullets, the cheapest I can do FMJ is $0.22/rd...
327 Federal Magnum if you’re ever looking for a Revolver that shoots everything from low recoil 32 S&W Long or Short, 32 H&R Magnum and they even chamber 32 ACP since it’s a semi rimmed case!
Oh yeah a ruger SP101 .327 fedmag and a SIG P365XL macro .30 SC.
@@jessesimmons4503 All Day Every Day
@@jessesimmons4503 They already make the SP101 in .327, but they also make the LCR which weighs 10oz less. Additionally S&W now makes a 3" 6 shot J-Frame and Taurus (their quality has skyrocketed in the past couple years) makes a 3" that is cut for a micro red dot so there's no reason to carry something that weighs as much as a G19. That said I very much want to see someone make .30SC conversion kits for the 365 series especially the XL since that is the best blend of shootability/concealablity in my opinion.
"I think it would make a great little carbine round too"
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Broke back mountain in the end cracked me up! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
A double stack hot-rod .25 ACP would be very neat.
Maybe get some of the Buffalo Bore hard cast .25 as a baseline, that stuff is no joke!
I’d be concerned about a lot of the cheapo 25 acp pistols with higher power ammo
Edit: that said, I think a double stack improved 25 ACP would be neat
Problematic since 25 acp is semi-rimmed.
@@flightlesschicken7769ya i wouldnt trust many
Until a pistol is designed from the ground up for .30 SC instead of just being a converted 9, a lot of potential is left unrealized in my opinion.
I think an untapped advantage of .30 SC is in enabling double stack, dual feed handgun magazines, similar to that of the Five Seven. The lack of taper would make loading easier, make the magazine simpler to build and arguably more reliable, and add 1 to 2 more rounds over a double stack single feed mag.
Making such a magazine out of steel would probably allow it to be thinner than a Glock 43 mag, enabling the design of a very slim high capacity pistol. Think P365XL but narrower and with 15 or 16 rounds instead of 12. The higher pressure and smaller bore diameter of .30 SC would also make compensators more effective for those who want to go that route
Very well said. Im looking forward to somebody hopefully soon making something ground up for the round.
Agreed. Much of the point is lost in a 9mm chassis.
Perfectly put.
i’d like to see a 365 or shield plus designed for it. if Glock made a series entirely based on the round that would be ideal. something like the 48 or 43
I agree with the potential of the cartridge, and I bought one right after it came out, but then I traded it back in again. The round is fine but having a whopping 2 guns that shoot it, one single stack and one subcompact, really takes my enthusiasm away. It's begging for a double stack possibly double feed full sized pistol, and I'd love a nice PCC/PDW style weapon to go along with it. I don't think it's meant to be though, unfortunately, it'll die on the vine similarly to my dreams of a modern and available double stack 7.62x25 handgun.
Hey bud. I'm a big fan of 7.62×25. Around 1600 fps with a 85 grain projectile. Will usually defeat level 3a soft body armor. Just a suggestion. Love the channel.
I bought the 16 inch AR 15 barrel from KAK Industries in 30 Luger then I am shooting Racoons with it.
Those PPU 309" 86 grain bullets put the instant stop to Coons and sends their guts out the other side.
I shot the same 30 luger load at a 4x6 with the 86 grain bullet did a pass through that never expected that to happen.
I think the Hornaday 309" 90 grain bullet from the 30 Luger shot from the AR 15 would mess up an attacker badly.
And the handguns design around that cartridge are simple & stone reliable!
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903they also have the ergonomic properties of a brick... they do work though.
327 magnum is very interesting to me. I would love a 3 inch small frame chambered in it.
And a revolver event had an option to switch between that and .30 SC, or to also chamber the latter with moon clips.
Magnum rounds in short barrels defeat the purpose of it. Like 7" 556 guns.
Magnum rounds in short barrels defeat the purpose of Magnum rounds.
@@jacksonnra1856like 7" 556 guns
@@jacksonnra1856 - my snubby 357 hits higher velocities than 38 special every single time.
Woah, wild... I was JUST looking for more info on .30 SC, and you JUST posted this 28 minutes ago. Wavelength~~~
I’m happy to see you picking up .30 Super Carry. I’d like it to stay in production. Hopefully you are designing something.
.32 NAA, or .25 NAA, would have been an interesting route too! And if you haven't heard of those, definitely suggest looking into them. Wish the cartridges had both caught more wind/developed further
Cut down 5seven makes more sense in a pistol than the full round where the muzzle flash from the FN pistol looks like a tactical nuke exploding.
I suppose you could try to swage or roll(?) a new neck on the cut down cartridge and reuse the original projectile.
Over a year ago I bought a M&P EZ in .30 Super Carry. At the same time, Scheel's also ran the ammo on sale for $13.99 for a box of 50 Federal FMJ, and the 20-rd boxes of HP's for $11.99. I bought 500 of each. It's a nice carry gun, fits 10 in the mag instead of 8 rds that the 9mm offered. Definitely has a "different" recoil impulse with those spicy higher chamber pressures, but I like it. Variety is the spice of life.
I really like my Shield in .30 SC. It holds 16, and is still fairly compact.
I think 30 super carry is such an interesting cartridge and I really wish Sig would make a P365 in it. I think if Sig did that 30 super carry would become a big player in the conceal carry market. Or at least a bigger player. And the hate for 30 super carry is something that I find super odd, why wouldn't you want more rounds for about the same power? It's the whole reason why people don't carry the 45. 9mm is smaller, lighter, and generally doesn't put as much force down range, and definitely doesn't has the energy transfer like 45 does at the same foot pounds of energy.
Having a P365 Macro with a +20 rounds of 30 super carry would be really cool. And I think that's where the 30 super carry could have a real following.
Speaking of lighter recoiling rounds, I'd love to find a company who could turn me out a 22 TCM barrel for a P365, I'd be limited to the 22 TCM 9R bullets, but throwing a 39gr pill down range at about 2000fps would be really cool. Plus, 22 TCM is as cheap as 9mm (when you buy from the manufacturer online anyway.) One can dream. One can dream.
People who carry 9mm hate .30 super carry for the same reason people who carry .45 hate 9mm, which is also the same reason people who carry 9mm hate 45 AARP.
It's a normal function of the human mind, although it has dubious merit.
Now I *HATE* .30 super carry because they called it .30 super carry. Call it Super 30 or 30 Super like .38 Super, carry just kills the punch in the name.
So what does 30SC do better than 357Sig?
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903Mag capacity. Maybe grip thickness and recoil (but recoil is just a reflection of energy and mass, so "you get what you pay for" in a sense).
Though, the size difference isn't extreme enough to ALWAYS gain additional rounds in the mag or swell the grip.
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 .357 SIG is 10mm Auto necked down and shortened so you get even less capacity than 9mm Luger with more recoil. .30SC gives you more capacity than 9mm with less recoil while still penetrating to FBI minimum depth with decent sized permanent wound cavities.
@@jacobadams7440 - While I see you point, there are factory loads of 357Sig loaded to 1900+Ft/Sec! And even hotter hand loads. Within typical handgun engagement distances, it's single shot incapacitation rating is right there with 357Mag. Not sure if 30SC real world performance can match that data?
I can't wait to see the carbine version you will inevitably build!
It makes me wonder what kind of wild thing Keltec would make from this.
30 Super Carry was developed at just about the worst time to release a new cartridge, when 9mm, .223, 5.56, and .308 were in short supply, and it only got released for, (if i recall correctly), two models of S&W Shield and a Nighthawk Custom. I'm not sure if anyone else has made one by now.
That's still all unfortunately. Plus the Hi-Point 30SC carbine for what that's worth. I hope we begin to see some handgun models actually designed for 30SC, but since adoption has been so slow, we may never see that happen.
@@emathieu504 crying shame. If they'd come up with this 10 years ago.
Mark was late to hear about 30 Super Carry because he's productively engaged in the shop making stuff instead of haunting gunny RUclips and gun forums.
The S&W doesn't do anything for me. I'll wait for Springfield to make a 30 Super Carry with GRIP ZONE on the grip so I know where to hold it.
Another caliber isn't a negative. It's an excuse to reload another cartridge! Bonus if I can cast lead bullets and powder coat them.
11:20 - Speaking of reloading, wildcatting the 5.7 into a straight wall high pressure 7mm would be fairly awesome. I don't have a 5.7 because it's a pain to reload and tends to get neck splits after a couple of reloadings.
Mark I was wondering if you were going to mention the FN 5/Seven . It’s a nice gun but it is pretty large for edc, at least here in Libtard MA . We cannot carry more than 10rnds😵💫😵💫🤮 I’m glad you talked about the 30 super carry I have been wanting to retire my Sig p238 380apc I have been carrying for 12yrs now, I’m 64yrs old & like you in my 30+yrs of caring I never had to use my weapon.
Mark Serbu: certified face-shooter.
I wouldn't mind a Kahr PM9 sized pocket pistol in .30 Super Carry.
We're living Orwells prophecy..
Hmmmm…??!!
We are living in the prophecy of Revaluations
@@travisbell9014 Revelations is apocryphal
@@papayayaya5049 I think he means revaluations...
Revaluations or revelations? Both are 🐂💩. No one knows what will become except “it has all happened before and it will happen again.”
The S&W looks like a toddler that dressed itself but they function great.
The concept of cutting a 5.8x28mm case at the bottle neck was explored in the early 2000's with the 7mm Penna. A few pistols were made in that caliber but there is hardly any information about the real world performance of the round.
This makes me want to hit the gun range today. That's called going outside for me. I live on a ranch in Texas. I have a patch on a hat that says "Aim for the face" instead of the North Face...
I love your channel. I've been giving the 30 super carry a hard look and I'm very intrigued.
IMHO .30 super carry is too loud, especially out of short barrels. Maybe a fuddish take but I'm worried about disorienting myself (more than something like a 9mm would) if I'm having to shoot it in an enclosed space, at night, without earpro, ECT. Just a gut feeling I have that makes me hesitant to embrace the caliber.
That is a very good point!
For me, it seems that the 30 SC is more suitable as a submachine gun round or as a carbine rifle round than in pistols. It is more efficient in longer barrels .
@@PassivePortfoliosthat’s every caliber though…🤷♂️
If that’s a concern, you could still get a lot out of .30 SC type round by reducing powder charge and shortening it a bit.
I bet you could use something like that to make a small, light, pocket pistol. And with such a small, light round, you could easily make it a simple blowback than a more complicated locked breech design.
Man, if only the greatest firearms inventor John Moses Browning came up with it. I bet they would have called it 7.65mm Browning, or .32 ACP.
@@classifiedad1 - the industry should have made a rimless 32 ACP with a slightly longer case for use in double column pocket pistols. Maybe using a heavier bullet. It would have had a better chance of catching on.
"Tell your mom you got shot in the face with a .25" 😂
3:05 Mark. Slightly lengthening .25 ACP and turning it into .25 Serbu Carry would be the coolest thing in the entire world. It wouldn't take all that much additional power to make a .25 Serbu Carry cartridge that passed the FBI cloth+gel penetration test and allowed for reliable hollow point expansion. Maybe keep the projectile weights the same but hotrod it to 120 foot pounds of energy or so?
Thank you for inspiring us all to get the Covid-19 vaccination. This video was very informative! 😂
Outstanding video. Also thank you for this one. I have looked at the 30 super carry and just reading about it. I was not impressed by it. With you Mark, I do not know you, yet I respect your input greatly. Based on the fact that you are not trying to impress anyone at all. You are as far as I know. Honest with everything you show on your videos. To me that means a lot. So, again thank you Sir.
Out of curiousity, what left you unimpressed with 30 SC?
Well thanks Mark!
As always, you have reinforced your position as the Brokeback Mountain of Firearms!
Well said sir 🎉
I've got an old French Model 1935A that is essentially a 30 SC pistol.
You mentioned .25 cal……I’ve dabbled in gunsmithery and have made some nice stuff, but I was always pondering something like .25 magnum? Stuff more powder in?? Just to build a super lightweight carry pistol. I carry a Smith and Wesson featherweight .38, and I wish sometimes, I had something even lighter. Food for thought.
Take care!
What about a 25 prodgy in a hornet shell for a 25 mag or a 25 in a 30 carbine shell for super wizz bangery sorry if I got you all thinking but both of these are 70 odd years old check out 25 hornet or 257 spitfire
That misses the boat, I would have expected it to be optimized for a little pocket carry.
I was gonna suggest the 327 Federal Magnum but again with the rim. On the other hand there are guns that feed 357 from a magazine so it's not /that/ insane. Maybe only 30-35% bonkers.
Yeah it's handy to have multiple guns using one cartridge but like you said I'm not supplying an army so having a couple extra boxes in my ammo closet isn't a big deal. Makes range day lighter though, stuff my 357 revolver and my 357 lever gun in the trunk with one can of 357 ammo and I'm done. Probably not as helpful as it'd be to have the right round for the right job though.
327fed is REALLY underrated, and quite amazing handloaded from a 6" for things other than SD....
I like your 9/30 45/10 comparison! I have never shot this caliber, but it does seem intriguing. Hope it catches on!
I like mine. It has similar performance to 9mm, the mags hold three more rounds than 9mm, is close to the same price, and has about the same about of recoil (at least for me I can’t really tell the difference). The only problem is that the options for ammo types and firearms in .30 SC are kind of limited compared to 9mm.
Personally i really want to try the "relatively new" and spicy 7.5FK BRNO (7.5mm) round
Heck, put it in the title Mark. "30 super covid" 😂
I like the 30 super. Got it really cheap last year. I think it was 249 and a 50 rebate. Ammo cost wasn't too bad either for a newer round
Ian McCollum welcomes you.
that 303 brit 1895 is hot, need a video on just that
If we ever had to actually use a gun to defend ourselves, we would probably be better off if we found one gun that we shoot well and is light enough to carry and stick with it all the time. Then, when it came time to use it, we might hit where we were aiming and not forget that the gun we carried that day had a safety. But I'm like you almost always willing to try something new.
I have three, the S&W Shield, Shield Plus and Hi-Point 3095 Carbine, both of the Shields are mine and my wife's current carry. The carbine is a kick in the ass fun gun to shoot, brass retention is challenging with all of them. They reload fine, they are accurate and I trust my life with them. I'm also on the .32 fetish, I recently acquired a Ruger SP 101 in 327 Federal Magnum, definitely a little spicier, if I could just get my hands on a Henry Big Boy Steel Rifle in 327 Federal, my quest would be over. Just as a little background info, I have a diverse selection to draw from, the pipsqueaks to the reasonable big ones, after all the First Rule of Gun Nuts, 1. You can NEVER have too many !!!!! Update: I also need to include my BSA 310 Cadet, fun little single shot, shoots a 0.321 diameter bullet !!!
KAK Industries has AR 15 barrels in 30 Luger so I got one in 16 inch and now assonating Racoons with it using a FoxPro caller.
What a smoken great 30 cal cartridge it is and totally wastes them, Coons.
Reloading supplies for the 30 Luger are really easy to get also.
Bar Sto barrels I found has Browning Hi power 30 luger barrels and some for other pistols.
The 32 H&R should have caught on. Same energy as standard pressure 38 Special with 20% higher capacity in snubbie revolvers. It is having a bit if a resurgence lately though since the 327 mag was introduced. It is easier to shoot in those revolvers.
The right amount of guns to have is always n+1, n being the number you currently own.
@@Tunkkis My own problem is I own to many guns so when going hunting which one or 2 or 3 guns do I take ?
I am collecting 32s also. I didn't know about the Hi-Point. I'll have to check that out.
I know the 7.62x25 is a pretty long cartridge but i think that thing is pretty neat too nonetheless. Also I luckily did read 1984 along with a few other dystopian novels for my english class (im dutch).
Wish someone would make a modern pistol in 762x25
7.62 Tok kicks ass👌🏼
@@djagrarms7916 shot one today
CZ52 was really impressive with the roller locked breech, kicks like a .357 magnum, and loud as hell. 😅
@@billfoster213 CZ52 is a really cool pistol
If you like 30SC better buy enough ammo to last you a while. That round was dying at the time they released it.
Unfortunately you are correct I think
Places around me are well stocked on 30SC, mainly because it doesn't move whatsoever
The largest LG around me just blew out a whole bunch of their .30 SC ammo because they weren’t able to sell it.
Thanks to the superpressure, that makes it mandatory to use a breechlock action, it will always be a second choice for pistols made in 9mm.
Yea yea yea, 5.7 was 'dead' too...
Doesn't look different enough to warrant the investment over the 9mm (ref: Ammo Depot article)... I'm not sure if it makes sense for another snappy round in a compact gun. That's why I blew off the .40 and 10mm my handgun option. It took too long to get back on target. I like the 5.7 as it does something significantly different in a handgun. I'd be interested in your 7mm effort. I'd like to see more options in the 10 round micro carry that have more reliability than a .22.
I sorta went the other way. Looking at something that can be used in both a longarm and a pistol without compromising too much either way. Built a 7.5 FK AR and it seems to fit the bill. Now i just have to work out the bugs
Okay you, sir have my attention.
I carried a first gen Keltec P32 for years. I would like to get another one. My daughter carries it now. The only downside I ever seen to a 32acp was the occasional rim lock in the magazine. 30 super carry seems like a great submachine gun caliber. Maybe a great derringer round. Maybe a GB22 turned into a GB30 super carry. I haven't looked at the pressures of it, so maybe it's not the best blow back caliber? But the GB30SC could have a bolt that locks closed.
Imagine something about the size of a Glock 19 or Glock 48 with a 20 round double stack double feed position magazine.
I will be making the move into the 5.7x28 FN ecosystem from the 9x19. The reference threat scenario needs more effective range and higher mag capacity over concealment or weight.
You might want to look into .22 TCM. It's like FN's 5,7×28 mm, but less r-tаrdеd.
how about Hit the gym , Get a 10mm big boy gun and learn to shoot
Ecosystem? Guns aren’t terrariums.
@@Hornet135Guns use ammunition, they use magazines, barrels, suppressors and other things that need to fit the caliber you are shooting.
@@Tunkkis.22 TCM - very limited availability, only one manufacturer (both gun and ammunition). 5.7 is already much more popular and only getting more popular by the day.
Good review, I agree that most folks carry the lightest handgun for concealed carry. I carry the same Sig as you but only during colder months that is easier to conceal. All other times I carry the Ruger LCP Max .380 with 12 round mag. I never leave home without it 😊Cheers
Damn. I remember buying bandoleers of stripped .303 British at CAL expo for $80/1000
Yea i remember the coof years and trying to find 45 ACP thats why i started buying the components and making my own.
I saw a bar graph the other day where they were showing the percentage of one shot stops. The .32 ACP was slightly above the 9mm and the .45 ACP.
Maybe because the folks carrying 32 ACP don’t practice Mozambique drills?
Yea, but a few big caveats to that data set:
1) The .32 had the smallest or 2nd smallest sample size behind .44 Mag. (1 more person shot, but fewer hits).
2) It had the highest percentage of people who were never incapacitated.
3) It had the lowest percentage of hits that were fatal.
That graph has a shit sample size meaning there's a lot of luck involved for some rounds
I'm a big fan of 30 Super Carry, but being worried that it won't be around long I bought a case of Blazer ammo, some dies and a stockpile of pulled 100gr FMJ and JHP. I do hope Glock adopts it, which would make it easier to build an AR-15 chambered for it that has magazines available.
I also have a Winchester 1892 chambered in .25-20 that a serial number decoder said was from 1893/1894. I have a complete box of Remington ammo from the 1950's. I inherited it from my grandfather, who acquired it in trade for a load of hay. It is the only gun I own that I have never fired and likely never will.
Step it up Mark.
The ballistic data I've seen seems to say that 30SC out of a 12 inch barrel is almost 30 carbine power.
I've got a small collection of calibers in both pistol and rifle (or smg style) and would love to add 30SC to the collection. The only company making a 30SC rifle that I know of is Hi-point.
So Mark, take the next step, build us a 30SC carbine or smg! Please??!
I don't know if it's going to be .30 Super Carry or .277 Fury that catch on as the next big things, but I'm glad people are attempting to innovate in the cartridge design space, achieving the pressures that can be pushed with modern metallurgy and CAD, as opposed to applying innovations in powder and projectile design to century old form factors. And a little PDW in .30 Super Carry would be the cat's pajamas. I'm no engineer but I imagine you'd have all kinds of pressure to operate a little piston like in an MPX, as well as pressure to make a compensator very effective. A CZ Skorpion form factor would be super cool too, but I'm afraid the cartridge would too much for simple blowback.
You got me interested in your 5.7 project. I've been interested in something akin to a 25 magnum cartridge but nothing like that exists. Something designed for a hand gun but would be fun to have in a rifle too.
Yes but its not new look for 7mm penna
@@Gieszkanne 27cal, but I'll take it lol. Ill look into it. thanks!
Ingenious solution to a non existent problem.
Getting more ammo capacity for equivalent performance has _never_ been a non-existent problem.
That 1984 reference took me a sec... and I was like OH GOD. Nice collection of ammo. I think I saw a bimetal 7.62R under your 20mm. I had an idea with the 277 sig fury: cut the case to 45 auto length, chamfer the inside to be able to seat a bullet, preferably something light.... profit?
The only thing stopping me from getting a .30 super carry pistol is the lack of carry options. I do not like the S&W Shield, and Glock seems to be sleeping on this round
Thanks for this! Super interested in this round now.
What does brokeback mountain have to do with ANYTHING!?? Haha 😂 I’m guessing one of your favorite movies and you added one of your favorite scenes, that’s gotta be it!! Lol 😂
Usually the smaller caliber rifle cartridge weapons like that 20-25 rifle were sold for varmint hunting where your target is small and at a fairly long range away in fact the .223 Winchester is a varmint round originally before the military adopted it for its low recoil as the 5.56 mm M-16 cartridge. The low bullet weight offers the advantages of low recoil and the higher velocity gets the bullet to the target quicker allowing less bullet drop and time for the animal to react also like when you fire at a deer with a bow often times the deer ducks or jumps out of the flight path of the arrow high velocity projectiles don't allow this phenomena to occur.
Japanese had a 7mm pistol round, you could probably find FMJ in 7mm made for reloading it.
Depends on if anyone is making projectiles in that size, which they probably aren't for 7mm Nambu by this point.
There is also the 7mm penna
Thank you for sharing this with us six stars brother
I personally think the single event that would seal the .30 Super Carry’s fate as a success is if the P365 would be chambered in it. The ammo is currently at ~37 cents per round on Ammoseek, but I saw it get as low as ~30 cents per round last summer. The issue definitely isn’t production volumes. There just isn’t enough of a variety of subcompacts chambered in it. And maybe a general confusion on what the cartridge is supposed to be.
A rule of thumb with the .30 Super Carry is that it generally requires a firearm’s action to be as strong as it’d need to be for 9x19. Sure, the cartridges themselves are narrower, but they produce basically the same amount of energy. It isn’t like a .380 or a .32, where you can get a noteworthy lighter gun. .30SC is always going to be an engineering cousin of 9mm.
If they would make the 30 super carry guns smaller than the 9mm guns I would find it interesting.
Smaller in what dimension? Which dimension of a Sig P365 or a Kahr PM-9 do you find too big?
I'd really like to see how this cartridge performs in a PCC.
30 Super Carry MAT-49 AR custom build when? 🤔
@@durkhurker6268or better yet, MAS-38.
Keltec or hipoint or someone in that teir make one. Can't remember who. I live in south Africa. We don't get that brand here. Gun jesus reviewed it about a year ago I think.
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It's hipoint. ruclips.net/video/Jm4fcDGbbRI/видео.htmlsi=nb0MEu_97e7d5Xiu
I think 300 black makes that pointless. You can have a locked bolt gas-operated PCC which is smoother and substantially more powerful.
@@GunFunZS I would think that the smaller 30 super carry cartridge and the ability to carry more rounds verses 300 would be relevant. Especially in regards to a sub gun. 300 blk is an intermediate round and twice the size and weight of the 30 super.
It is an old design. Back in the 60s there was an M-1 Carbine Short round. The .30 Super is almost a clone of that (but in a newer pistol). Then of course there was the .French .32 Long submachine gun round. Prior examples aside, observations reveal that large calibers do a better job of quickly draining an opponents radiator than do the holes made by smaller calibers.
The 30 Carry is nowhere close to the 30 Carbine. The latter is a rifle cartridge.
@@jcraigshelton I didn't say .30 Carbine, I said .30 Short carbine. Slightly less power and shorter. Dates back to the early 60s. About 5 or 6 months of prodcution then dropped (couldn't compete in price with the volume sales of surplus full size Carbine ammo). That said, Ruger Blackhawks were available (for unknown reason) in a .30 carbine version for awhile.
It's an answer to a question I never had.
I've been kicking around a similar, but different, idea. Stick to a 380 ACP OAL, and build a steel magazine like shield arms for a Glock 42, try for 10 rounds in something that small.
Could be a cool pocket rocket.
I've been thinking about a .25 magnum for pocket concealed carry for a while now! Would love to see you do it!
Look up .25NAA . It's a .32acp case that's bottlenecked to accept a 25acp bullet. They make a 32naa also using a .380 casing
@@Swishersweetcigarilo...and they're both silly.
@@Swishersweetcigarilo Yeah, but that would take up the same space as any other 32 case cartridge, and you wouldn't get any capacity benefit.
Hey mark. Just lettin ya know I’d be more than happy to lessen the clutter from all the ammo! 😭 I need some rounds for an old straight pull styer, a mint cond. mas 36 and than I’ve only got one round of 7.62x54 rimmed for my nagants (one full and one carbine length).. Havnt been able to shoot any of my old man’s guns since he passed besides one of his old Turkish Mausers. Ha. Keep up the videos man! And keep up that “outside of the box” mindset! ✌️
It’s a cool 😎 caliber! Great video👍🏼
I love 30 super carry I wish it would become more mainstream
Wish on my friend... It wasn't marked properly at all to the demographics that would have been the best future market: new shooters, .. women, .. seniors. Plus they brought Super Carry out at around 20 percent higher price than 9mm, at exactly the time that people were starting to get worried about inflation ! Federal shouldn't have been so greedy, and should have priced it $2 less per box than 9mm to generate more interest. Pretty much a failed marketing plan.
Good to see you Sir!
You, sir, have a doppelganger by the name of Dr. Charles Severance
Virtually All the more honest and objective pistol reviewers on RUclips say that 30 SC has LITTLE to no discernable difference in recoil, and that it's actually a little louder than 9mm.
I love these ranting/rambling videos.
Just listening to him go on about things that most people don't care about or find insignificant.... I relate.
Keep em coming!
Years ago I invented another class of pistol. The "Dress up gun". Small, very light weight and pocket carry. It is good for social occasions and lounging around the house. It was a .380 ACP but I always wanted one in 9mm, but a 9mm gun was much bigger for some reason. 30 super carry could be the solution. Thanks Mark!
My Walther ppk .380 is my "formal" gun
Unfortunately the .30 Super carry guns are all the size of 9mm guns.
It's already been done, Walther PPK or the Colt model 03 if you're a Fudd like me. 😅
@@Sparks00psnThe only advantage is 2 more rounds.
@@billfoster213I have been looking for a 9mm gun with 10 rounds and small like a mini Glock but thin.
I can't keep up with the "cartridge of the month" club...yeah I'd like to have em all, but ther comes a time in life when enough is enough and I just focus on being efficient and proficient with what I got. I've got a p365xl and I can't see at this point a fraction of ounces or increased ballistics is gonna be a razors edge difference in any life or death situation...If it is? Then I'm probably in a situation I should have avoided anyhow.
Love the channel Mark 👍
How different is it from VBR-Belgium’s 7.92×24mm ammo from the early 2000s? It was based on a cut down .30 carbine cut down to 9mm OAL.
Wow, I hadn’t heard of this cartridge until now. I’m sad it never took off
@@flightlesschicken7769 it was designed for the NATO call for a new pistol/PDW cartridge. Only 5.7 took off in any capacity.
@@ScottyAlmondjoy Shame, I would love it if 30 Carbine lived on in some modern capacity. Plus, from what I am seeing online, it had superior ballistics to 5.7
No banner yet! Hey, I carry .327 because an LCR rides nicely in a pocket holster and a competent six-shooter in that role feels good. Practicing on everything from varmints to overripe melons, 85-100 grains at 1250fps certainly seems competent. HP expansion is excellent. So I'm at least interested in .30 SC.
Well 327 magnum is available as an option for a snubnosed revolver. You can fire 32 short, 32 long, 32 acp, .32 H&R, and .327 magnum.
You mentioned a carbine being a good application. If you want a new project, how about a 16” double rifle with minimally-thin barrels? O/U or SxS, your choice. A 10” pistol version of same or a pepper box would be neat, too.
I really like my first generation S&W Shield 9mm, it makes a great front pocket carry gun, reliable and shoots well. I liked it so much I bought a Shield Plus 9mm. But the magazine catch/release is slightly different, causing my thumb to inadvertently press the magazine catch which of course causes failures. I need to change to a thumbs up grip or install a different magazine catch. I considered the 30 Super Carry, and like it's ballistics as compared to 9mm but decided not to add another caliber.
I like them all big and small!
The problem with using this cartridge is that it doesn’t really buy you anything other than a bit more capacity. The peak chamber pressure is an intriguing design detail.. If your interest is in very small handguns then we probably need a cartridge that is actually weaker than 9mm so the lockwork can be lightened up. Call it .30 carry with a shorter case and only 35kpsi.
.380 is the go-to step down from 9mm right now and it’s not great, and it’s probably because it has poor velocity and sectional density. From that standpoint the .30 caliber cartridge makes sense if we can successfully design it with less recoil, but acceptable terminal performance.
idk how many people carry an extra mag for their daily carry pistol, so having an extra 2 rounds sounds like a great deal if no ballistic performance is lost, but did you get good ,consistent performance from the ammo?
If your gun holds 15 rounds you'll probably never need to reload it if you actually had to draw and shoot, but a lot of people like that added little bit of peace of mind, and just one reload in itself isn't very obtrusive.
30 Paterson, 32 French long, 30 Supper carry....
Better than 32ACP, but will they make an attacker take floor temperature challenge?
If you hit vitals like nerves, spine, smooth brain, etc... absolutely.
There's a pretty infamous case where an officer got in a gunfight with a cartel member and the guy took 13 rounds of .45acp JHP to the body, 6 of which were considered "lethal hits" to lungs and heart area, but it took another 3 to the guys face to end the fight... Totaling 17 rounds of 200+ grain 45acp to stop the firefight.
He now carries over 140 rounds of 9mm... Just in case.
Like everything else, depends on where you hit them.
My dad new a guy in college who got shot trying to break up a bar fight. It was with a 22lr snubnose revolver. The bullet nicked his aorta and the dude bleed out before the ambulance got there. Shot placement is important.
@@RichardCranium321 one of our local duputies emptied his service weapon into a meth head. He got all K zone hits. The man scuffed with deputy for empty weapon before two additional officers could subdue him. I was in ER for unrelated condition got good chat with classmates from HS, both deputy and monster who recognized me. The bullets didn't expand and meth man lived for another half year, the drugs got him not the bullets. I'm warry of bullets and calibers that haven't been proven
@@christinepearson5788Yup. You're not wrong to feel that way. We're being sold snake oil, it seems.
Look at Paul Harrells tests with 10mm Auto, certain manufacturers were underloading the rounds. Always run your carry ammo through a chrony. 👍
Ps. Hope you and the deputy are doing okay 🙏
I agree... I hope it really takes off...need a few more manufacturers to chamber it in their handguns/ carbines...a true straight wall cartridge is a bit easier to reload vs. the tapered 9mm ... components should be a little cheaper considering on average there's 20% less material in the projectiles...
I'd really like to see a resurgence of .38 Super! It's always been around in the competitive shooting world to some degree but you never see any regular guns chambered for it. I always wonder why not? For any given 9mm handgun you would get the same amount of rounds and a pretty big jump up in ft lbs of energy and all that.
I have been shooting hand guns since the early 1970''s . I was never too concerned about recoil. But now I have Petit daughters. They find 9mm CC Guns Brutal But I would never feel comfortable sending them out with an under powered 380 ACP !
If you don't like the S&W's 30 Super Carry offerings you can always go with Nighthawk Custom's 1911 30 Super Carry if you have spare 3700 points.