It’s pretty funny to see all the people who are complaining and saying it would be the downfall of the city posting reels about what driving is now like. It did exactly what it was meant to do which is reduce traffic and discourage driving. And then for the people who do come in it’s about as smooth as it’s ever been without a pandemic. A lot of them are saying hey expand it even further, I like not being bumper-to-bumper all the time
Forcing people to take the trains when the subway has high crime is ridiculous they should have gotten the crime under control and then do the congestion pricing
Trains and buses in New York has always been overpacked nothing new. Just let a few trains pass then get on the first or last car and you will find a seat,
local news by me came out with an article saying LIRR lots are too small to handle the increase from congestion pricing completely ignoring the fact that ridership still has not reached 2019 numbers.
Seems to be doing exactly as it's intended. Just to highlight how short-sighted and ignorant some of the anti-Congestion Pricing people are, there was a lady on Tiktok who went on a rant saying that we should boycott the MTA by not driving into the Congestion Relief Zone and take the train instead. You aren't boycotting anything. That's literally the entire purpose of Congestion Pricing. You can't make this stuff up folks!
@@moe6702 The same short sightedness can be said about your comment…the pricing doesn’t just hit regular drivers wallets-its hitting delivery companies and many businesses in the area…There is never going to be a universal law that will be beneficial for everyone
@ Delivery companies are actually the beneficiaries of congestion pricing as they can deliveries done at a quicker rate if they need to go to that area. Also more people take the train to the area as compared to drivers, so I don’t think that there’s going to be this catastrophic negative effect on businesses as you think they do.
This is awesome. Here in LA I don't think it would be fair to implement congestion pricing yet since most people have to drive to get around because of the lack of good transit and how spread out the region is. That means lower income people who have no choice but to drive would be badly affected with no alternatives. But we are building out our metro network, bus lanes, and bike lanes, and as we do, I hope we can implement this.
Tolling all the highways and the arterial roads would be the BEST thing for LA even with the current system. First of all, the toll prices would need to be far less than the one implemented in NYC because it’s far less dense and therefore much less demand on the roads (plus LA has a ton of road supply). All the buses would exponentially increase in productivity which means frequency and reliability would skyrocket. The productivity savings could be used to expand bus networks to basically every highway and arterial road which would never be stuck in traffic and therefore, basically have the efficiency of a bus only lane. Traffic studies for new development could be eliminated and new construction could lower the cost of housing which would lead to greater savings than the amount needed to pay for tolls. And you could design a low income tax credit for low income people. Lastly, well implemented congestion pricing actually enables more people to use the roads, not less. A highway lane can handle 2,000 vehicles per hour when not congested. If congested, the capacity plummets because speed is dramatically reduced, usually to 1,000 or less. So by adding the minimum toll to prevent congestion, more people can use the roads, and there’d be less need for more delivery drivers because each trip is more efficient. Also, if the natural demand for the roads is below street capacity, the roads should be free so many people could shift unnecessary trips and deliveries to times when roads are cheaper/free. LA has done studies that show when a road is free, 50% of people will take completely unnecessary trips during peak times due to the irrational nature of consuming a free resource (in this case, road space). Just adding a small fee of maybe 3 dollars at peak times may be all that’s required to change behavior to shift trip timing and incentivize carpool and bus travel at peak times. This system would benefit absolutely everyone, right now CA uses high gas taxes which also disproportionally hurt the poor, so real congestion pricing would be FAR more efficient.
LA should try implementing a BRT similar to the one in Mexico City. It would be a good first step toward reducing car dependance and the roads are wide enough to accommodate the bus lane.
@@me12722agreed. Or at least have a few lanes that are tolled to prevent any chance of congestion build up and allow the buses to use them for free. They did this in Seattle and saw an over 20% increase in bus speeds on I5. Unfortunately putting in bus lanes is like pulling teeth and can be easily revoked.
Congestion Relief Zone worked great the first week. I just hope that all the money from this program will go directly into funding Subway Projects and not into the pockets of the MTA board members and politicians!
@@thedancingcat9468 This is why auditing the MTA should be top priority. It's absolutely crazy how they never managed their money the right way to not have to panic about findings finds just to stay operational.
I still think they should have put the tolls below 59th street. A lot of people are not entering lower Manhattan and just want to take the bridge to Long Island city.
@@JackieJea I am kinda glad they doing that toll plan on the Ed Koch and I hope they do it on more bridges like the Whitestone,RFK And Bridge that connects Staten Island and Brooklyn
@@TransitMan_123 I’m not completely against congestion tolls. It definitely has its perks and traffic have indeed decreased. I’m all for that. It’s just why do people have to be tolled if they’re leaving manhattan and not going to contribute to congestion.
of course it will help the congestion because it chokes the city by restricting the traffic. But how about the long term effect of all the inconveniences for the local business???
I grew up in NYC in the 50's and I dont ever remember seeing it this empty. Not counting the pandemic. My questions are these, 1) what did all the very expensive parking lots do? 2) what did the people living on the east and west side do with their csrs? If you come into the city and oay your $9 toll and stay overnight, say at 30th street and 10th ave. ,do you pay again the next day leaving?
I am very very pro Public transit. However they have gone about this all wrong. this is a consumer tax that will get passed onto everyone. There needs to be exemptions for workers like plumbers and carpenters or electricians , delivery trucks, and such need to not pay or else we pay. congestion also should not be put in until the transit system is fixed and expanded either. Provide an alternate so people dont HAVE to drive. its called induced demand make trains better then more take it]
Now buses aren’t stuck in gridlock and I can’t walk faster than cars in Midtown. Often. It was faster to me to walk from 5th Ave to 10th Ave and pass several M34 buses.
Making more sense because of congestion pricing because people from Brooklyn would stop driving through manhattan to get to queens and cbtc spending up the service.
It seems to be working as intended! My only wish is they would modify the pricing system a little better by taking into account the time someone spends driving in the central district when getting charged (someone who’s dips in and out shouldn’t be charged the same as someone driving around for a few hours) and that they had a predictive algorithm to set prices so traffic stays just below street capacity. This is what they do in tolled highways in states like Texas and it keeps congestion minimal and allows traffic to flow smoothly. I understand this is easier to do on a highway than street grids but I believe Singapore has found a way to do it effectively! We’re getting to the point where cars should have encrypted transponders in them so that people are charged per mile fees for driving as the federal gas tax hasn’t moved in decades and cars are getting more efficient. When the car moves to high demand streets that cause congestion, the price per mile on that street should increase just enough to prevent too many cars causing the breakdown of traffic. It’d revolutionize both car and bus travel.
Daily subway rider here: the increase in ridership has definitely been noticeable, but I wouldn't say it's been too bad. I definitely prefer the crowded trains to the crowded streets. 🤷♂️
🎉 AWESOME thanks 👍 Everyone should pay congestion pricing in many parts of new York and other parts of the world 🌎 😂cuz there is too much traffic and hazards, Enforce traffic 🚦 laws also in New York City 🏙️🌆
I do think congestion pricing is reducing traffic, increasing in subway and bus ridership, and the MTA has already started to use its money generated from congestion pricing to buy 265 new electric buses. By the way, welcome back!
Wow, it really did help! I’m glad they did this, hopefully now the MTA can get to work on system rehabilitation and new projects more quickly than before
Why I understand the frustration of NYErs having to pay more than what they’re already paying for taxes and tolls, at least we know for sure congestion pricing is going to prioritize transit improvements, reduce congestion speed up traffic for emergency vehicles and buses and improve air quality
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer large delivery and transit vehicles will still be operating in the zone, hence the amount of emissions they let out by volume would be comparable to current rates. Also, that goal seems better suited for all 5 boroughs as opposed to a portion of 1 Borough. Nvm that it also falls short from a practical standpoint
I’m so glad this policy is finally implemented. More people would ride a trains and more money is gonna come from the congestion pricing to the MTA. This is a huge win for mass transit
@@justinmelao3434 That is a lie. NJT pays tolls to the state of NY every year for operating buses into the Port Authority Bus Terminal and Downtown Manhattan. It's just another tax on transit.
@@RocketTrain-0 Yes, they pay the toll but, this is a completely separate fee. The MTA clearly states, ”buses providing scheduled commuter services open to the public are exempt from the Congestion Relief Zone toll”.
@@justinmelao3434 You just admitted that bus companies have to pay tolls and the fee for entering Manhattan. Clearly they're not exempt from tolls/fees and neither are deliveries. What you just said is a contradiction.
Its great to see this happen. But we really need to push further and take advantage of reduced traffic and reprioritize the space, rather than just letting those who pay drive more recklessly in clear space. What comes to mind: 1) fully pedestrianize 5th, 8th, Park, and Broadway, from 125th to the battery. Leave bus + bike lanes, protected, but otherwise it should be pedestrian + public space minus a brief overnight delivery window. Then do the core commercial cross streets 2) expand all the Manhattan parks + Penn Station/MSG + Times Square + Grand Central to have fully car free streets around them. Let the parks department do what they want with the space. If I were them, I'd put extensive kids play equipment along 5th Av and Central Park West 3) start charging for parking for all Manhattan, at auction prices. Let businesses bid for it And in transit, obviously a lot to do. For starters, perfect time to go to Alstom/Siemens and do a start building a central running, separated, signal prioritized tram network to replace much of the Manhattan SBS network. 6-8 minute frequencies would be a game changer for the city. These changes make it even more important to extend transit into underserved communities in South Brooklyn, Eastern Queens, and Staten Island. And to figure out frequent, through running regional rail for all the suburban areas. Adams/Hochul are awful planners. We need better to press forward and make this work long term.
It’s pretty funny to see all the people who are complaining and saying it would be the downfall of the city posting reels about what driving is now like. It did exactly what it was meant to do which is reduce traffic and discourage driving. And then for the people who do come in it’s about as smooth as it’s ever been without a pandemic. A lot of them are saying hey expand it even further, I like not being bumper-to-bumper all the time
Garbage look on google maps at rush hour it’s just as red as it always was
Somehow, someway they were right about congestion pricing being the downfall of NYC. Get ready for small businesses in NYC to leave.
@@RocketTrain-0 small businesses with faster deliveries?
Forcing people to take the trains when the subway has high crime is ridiculous they should have gotten the crime under control and then do the congestion pricing
@@shawnhall9792ok but you aren’t getting mugged the moment you walk onto public transit
it also sounds like the neighborhoods got quieter! what an improvement!
They did not
While also pushing traffic to the Bronx & Brooklyn. Yeah congestion pricing worked, totally.
@@markberg6197 I live in one of them, and it absolutely did get significantly quieter.
It's a pretty noticible improvement.
The anti congestion talk has now moved onto saying "trains are overpacked" 😭
And bashing Chris Murphy and his ilk in particular.
Trains and buses in New York has always been overpacked nothing new. Just let a few trains pass then get on the first or last car and you will find a seat,
local news by me came out with an article saying LIRR lots are too small to handle the increase from congestion pricing completely ignoring the fact that ridership still has not reached 2019 numbers.
Thank God for congestion pricing. Great job Governor Hochul.
Seems to be doing exactly as it's intended. Just to highlight how short-sighted and ignorant some of the anti-Congestion Pricing people are, there was a lady on Tiktok who went on a rant saying that we should boycott the MTA by not driving into the Congestion Relief Zone and take the train instead. You aren't boycotting anything. That's literally the entire purpose of Congestion Pricing. You can't make this stuff up folks!
Great, then it'll give more reasons for toll evasion and not taking the train. Great idea in the long term. Congestion pricing is a failure.
@@RocketTrain-0 Tf? That has nothing to do with what I said . If it’s such a failure how would you fix?
@@moe6702 Give exemptions to NJ Transit and Deliveries. Everything else can be charged.
@@moe6702 The same short sightedness can be said about your comment…the pricing doesn’t just hit regular drivers wallets-its hitting delivery companies and many businesses in the area…There is never going to be a universal law that will be beneficial for everyone
@ Delivery companies are actually the beneficiaries of congestion pricing as they can deliveries done at a quicker rate if they need to go to that area. Also more people take the train to the area as compared to drivers, so I don’t think that there’s going to be this catastrophic negative effect on businesses as you think they do.
This is awesome. Here in LA I don't think it would be fair to implement congestion pricing yet since most people have to drive to get around because of the lack of good transit and how spread out the region is. That means lower income people who have no choice but to drive would be badly affected with no alternatives. But we are building out our metro network, bus lanes, and bike lanes, and as we do, I hope we can implement this.
That’s great to here! Maybe one day LA can have the best public transit in the country again
Tolling all the highways and the arterial roads would be the BEST thing for LA even with the current system. First of all, the toll prices would need to be far less than the one implemented in NYC because it’s far less dense and therefore much less demand on the roads (plus LA has a ton of road supply). All the buses would exponentially increase in productivity which means frequency and reliability would skyrocket. The productivity savings could be used to expand bus networks to basically every highway and arterial road which would never be stuck in traffic and therefore, basically have the efficiency of a bus only lane. Traffic studies for new development could be eliminated and new construction could lower the cost of housing which would lead to greater savings than the amount needed to pay for tolls. And you could design a low income tax credit for low income people. Lastly, well implemented congestion pricing actually enables more people to use the roads, not less. A highway lane can handle 2,000 vehicles per hour when not congested. If congested, the capacity plummets because speed is dramatically reduced, usually to 1,000 or less. So by adding the minimum toll to prevent congestion, more people can use the roads, and there’d be less need for more delivery drivers because each trip is more efficient. Also, if the natural demand for the roads is below street capacity, the roads should be free so many people could shift unnecessary trips and deliveries to times when roads are cheaper/free. LA has done studies that show when a road is free, 50% of people will take completely unnecessary trips during peak times due to the irrational nature of consuming a free resource (in this case, road space). Just adding a small fee of maybe 3 dollars at peak times may be all that’s required to change behavior to shift trip timing and incentivize carpool and bus travel at peak times. This system would benefit absolutely everyone, right now CA uses high gas taxes which also disproportionally hurt the poor, so real congestion pricing would be FAR more efficient.
LA should try implementing a BRT similar to the one in Mexico City.
It would be a good first step toward reducing car dependance and the roads are wide enough to accommodate the bus lane.
@@me12722agreed. Or at least have a few lanes that are tolled to prevent any chance of congestion build up and allow the buses to use them for free. They did this in Seattle and saw an over 20% increase in bus speeds on I5. Unfortunately putting in bus lanes is like pulling teeth and can be easily revoked.
Congestion Relief Zone worked great the first week. I just hope that all the money from this program will go directly into funding Subway Projects and not into the pockets of the MTA board members and politicians!
hate to break it to you but it wont. no chace it goes into anything transit related. youre paying for next years golf trip
@@thedancingcat9468 This is why auditing the MTA should be top priority. It's absolutely crazy how they never managed their money the right way to not have to panic about findings finds just to stay operational.
Yes it has! 🎉🎉🎉
I agree with you.
I still think they should have put the tolls below 59th street. A lot of people are not entering lower Manhattan and just want to take the bridge to Long Island city.
You mean the 59th Street bridge?
@ yeah but the entrance for if you’re coming down from the north/upper east, it is on 60th street and drivers get tolled to get on the bridge.
@@JackieJea I am kinda glad they doing that toll plan on the Ed Koch and I hope they do it on more bridges like the Whitestone,RFK And Bridge that connects Staten Island and Brooklyn
@@TransitMan_123 I’m not completely against congestion tolls. It definitely has its perks and traffic have indeed decreased. I’m all for that. It’s just why do people have to be tolled if they’re leaving manhattan and not going to contribute to congestion.
@@JackieJea Maybe you should ask the governor the same question
I’m so happy this policy is finally implemented
Show me one NJ resident who says the same thing, esp. one who has to pay those new $3 PATH fares!!!
keep kissing up to the politicians who don’t gaf abt u
Hopefully MTA uses this opportunity to grow thier commuter express network and ridership
of course it will help the congestion because it chokes the city by restricting the traffic. But how about the long term effect of all the inconveniences for the local business???
I grew up in NYC in the 50's and I dont ever remember seeing it this empty. Not counting the pandemic.
My questions are these, 1) what did all the very expensive parking lots do? 2) what did the people living on the east and west side do with their csrs? If you come into the city and oay your $9 toll and stay overnight, say at 30th street and 10th ave. ,do you pay again the next day leaving?
I am very very pro Public transit. However they have gone about this all wrong. this is a consumer tax that will get passed onto everyone. There needs to be exemptions for workers like plumbers and carpenters or electricians , delivery trucks, and such need to not pay or else we pay. congestion also should not be put in until the transit system is fixed and expanded either. Provide an alternate so people dont HAVE to drive. its called induced demand make trains better then more take it]
Now buses aren’t stuck in gridlock and I can’t walk faster than cars in Midtown.
Often. It was faster to me to walk from 5th Ave to 10th Ave and pass several M34 buses.
You can ride an electric scooter instead.
It'll still be faster to outwalk the buses lol.
i don’t think i’ve heard nyc more so quiet other than the covid days
At this point you can hear a pin drop much more clearly.
Can you make a video should the G train be extended to forest hills
Making more sense because of congestion pricing because people from Brooklyn would stop driving through manhattan to get to queens and cbtc spending up the service.
It seems to be working as intended! My only wish is they would modify the pricing system a little better by taking into account the time someone spends driving in the central district when getting charged (someone who’s dips in and out shouldn’t be charged the same as someone driving around for a few hours) and that they had a predictive algorithm to set prices so traffic stays just below street capacity. This is what they do in tolled highways in states like Texas and it keeps congestion minimal and allows traffic to flow smoothly. I understand this is easier to do on a highway than street grids but I believe Singapore has found a way to do it effectively! We’re getting to the point where cars should have encrypted transponders in them so that people are charged per mile fees for driving as the federal gas tax hasn’t moved in decades and cars are getting more efficient. When the car moves to high demand streets that cause congestion, the price per mile on that street should increase just enough to prevent too many cars causing the breakdown of traffic. It’d revolutionize both car and bus travel.
Are the trains more congested now?
Likely but not that much.
It definitely won’t reach its peak anytime soon, which is 6.2 million on October 29th, 2015.
Daily subway rider here: the increase in ridership has definitely been noticeable, but I wouldn't say it's been too bad. I definitely prefer the crowded trains to the crowded streets. 🤷♂️
I live outside of the zone and I'm so happy for it.
I live inside the zone and this is a godsend. It's so much quieter and easier to cross the streets now.
Genuine question: Is it possible to avoid the congestion pricing when going from Brooklyn to NJ by staying on the highway around Manhattan?
Yes FDR and west side hwy are excluded from my understanding
🎉 AWESOME thanks 👍 Everyone should pay congestion pricing in many parts of new York and other parts of the world 🌎 😂cuz there is too much traffic and hazards, Enforce traffic 🚦 laws also in New York City 🏙️🌆
I do think congestion pricing is reducing traffic, increasing in subway and bus ridership, and the MTA has already started to use its money generated from congestion pricing to buy 265 new electric buses. By the way, welcome back!
Wow, it really did help! I’m glad they did this, hopefully now the MTA can get to work on system rehabilitation and new projects more quickly than before
Well it certainly looks alot less congested ive always said if u want to go to lower Manhattan just take the train no toll
Hey MysticTransit.
What does all the steam come from?
I'm never a fan of toll and stuffs like that, but cannot deny the improvement...
Im glad that this policy is finally in effect. Making the city safer and allowing us to finally fix and expand the subway!
I am glad they just implemented this due to the heavy traffic in manhattan
Amazing work Mystic Transit 👍 ✅ 💯 ❤❤❤❤
If it finally helps MTA with projects finally, then fine but what happens when the MTA needs more money given their track record for the past century
Only the rich should drive 💪
Why I understand the frustration of NYErs having to pay more than what they’re already paying for taxes and tolls, at least we know for sure congestion pricing is going to prioritize transit improvements, reduce congestion speed up traffic for emergency vehicles and buses and improve air quality
The only benefit that remotely makes sense, is increased accessibility for emergency and delivery vehicles.
@@alexharris2495 Does better air quality not remotely make sense?
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer large delivery and transit vehicles will still be operating in the zone, hence the amount of emissions they let out by volume would be comparable to current rates. Also, that goal seems better suited for all 5 boroughs as opposed to a portion of 1 Borough. Nvm that it also falls short from a practical standpoint
@@alexharris2495They didn’t give any exemptions to delivery vehicles, NJT or the coach companies that drive buses into NYC.
@@alexharris2495 Well, tell the MTA to junk their motorbuses and replace them with trolleybuses! As for delivery vehicles, bring back the High Line!
I’m so glad this policy is finally implemented. More people would ride a trains and more money is gonna come from the congestion pricing to the MTA. This is a huge win for mass transit
Yippee!
Pretty sure every NJT Bus Fare to NYC is about to skyrocket to the heavens
NJ Transit buses are exempt from the Congestion Relief Zone toll.
@ me realizing every NJT Train is gonna be packed
@@justinmelao3434 That is a lie. NJT pays tolls to the state of NY every year for operating buses into the Port Authority Bus Terminal and Downtown Manhattan. It's just another tax on transit.
@@RocketTrain-0 Yes, they pay the toll but, this is a completely separate fee. The MTA clearly states, ”buses providing scheduled commuter services open to the public are exempt from the Congestion Relief Zone toll”.
@@justinmelao3434 You just admitted that bus companies have to pay tolls and the fee for entering Manhattan. Clearly they're not exempt from tolls/fees and neither are deliveries. What you just said is a contradiction.
Its great to see this happen. But we really need to push further and take advantage of reduced traffic and reprioritize the space, rather than just letting those who pay drive more recklessly in clear space. What comes to mind:
1) fully pedestrianize 5th, 8th, Park, and Broadway, from 125th to the battery. Leave bus + bike lanes, protected, but otherwise it should be pedestrian + public space minus a brief overnight delivery window. Then do the core commercial cross streets
2) expand all the Manhattan parks + Penn Station/MSG + Times Square + Grand Central to have fully car free streets around them. Let the parks department do what they want with the space. If I were them, I'd put extensive kids play equipment along 5th Av and Central Park West
3) start charging for parking for all Manhattan, at auction prices. Let businesses bid for it
And in transit, obviously a lot to do. For starters, perfect time to go to Alstom/Siemens and do a start building a central running, separated, signal prioritized tram network to replace much of the Manhattan SBS network. 6-8 minute frequencies would be a game changer for the city. These changes make it even more important to extend transit into underserved communities in South Brooklyn, Eastern Queens, and Staten Island. And to figure out frequent, through running regional rail for all the suburban areas.
Adams/Hochul are awful planners. We need better to press forward and make this work long term.