it sure did. smart bird. the blue Jays where im at start squawk and get loud as hell and fly around from tree to tree but don't stay in one spot for more than a second or so
I have shot jsb exact 15.89grain .22, 5.51waisted diabolo for ten years through my Weihrauch 100 T. They have been reliable and accurate for all those years. Until recently when I started getting a high percentage of flyers. I had the rifle serviced at Hull Cartridge where the gun came from. I then had the gun serviced by an independent gun smith to see if the problem was in the rifle. The gun was passed safe and accurate to use. So then I looked at the jsb,s. And what I found was the pellets when weighed ranged into three distinct weight ranges. Heavy 16.5g medium 15.86g and light 15.00g all from the same tin using calibrated scales.Also jsb has changed the design of the skirt depth from an average of 2.367mm original to 3.471mm latest. An average difference of 1.107mm. In a deeper skirt length. With a pellet height of a constant 7.56 that makes a percentage difference of 6.829. That can have a major ballistic effect on a pellet of 7.56mm. The batch number on the tin is 40560018.
Loved the wasp pellet as a kid I guess those diabolo are a modern equivalent. The Bisley was the regulation pellets for many of the competition shoots. Those hollow slugs were the typical fairground pellets. Oh the good old days when a range was common place at a fair.
I used to use Prometheus and the Sussex Sabo in my old Airsporter Prometheus was meant to be high velocity and cause larger wound channels as it tumbled . It also made great sparks if it hit concrete say if you missed the target
Thank you for the great information. it always amazes me that alot of people think air weapons aren't that dangerous. nice collection of rifles! thanks again!
The copper ball tipped ones you can buy them in lead with a metal bb ontop, I use to use them, can’t remember who made them but you can see till find them, I use .22 diablo Hades (awesome pellet, great quality) now and Premiere Domed (super cheap and not well made but they work well with my gun)
Pretty neat target set-up. Cool seeing someone else using same loads I use regularly too, especially the Crossman pointed H-points. I thought I was the only one who'd picked up on these. Thank you very much for the insights and keep up the good times.
Well I've thougherly enjoyed your video even though it was made quite a while ago now. Reading some of the comments just proves there are some stupid people about. I fully understood your using different rifles for the different types of pellets used etc. At least I understood it wasn't a comparison, but a demonstration of these pellets. I certainly wouldn't want to ruin a nice rifle either. I actually learned quite a lot as I didn't know about lead balls for a start. I actually used another brand I can't remember now but they were like the Prometheus, a Zink plastic skirted pellet. I used to have to use a brass brush pull through to clean the barrel after a good few went through to clean out the plastic but by God they were very accurate and powerful, they would easily penetrate the door of a steel clothes locker at 30 yds and put a huge dent in the back plate as well. That was using a PCP Daystate MK ll Huntsman. Happy days. I've watched quite a few of your videos now and have really enjoyed them all. 😉👍
Back in the day I remember using those Prometheus in my Theoben. 22 Eliminator 30ft lb break barrel. Bad ass as the crack suggested that they were breaking the sound barrier even with standard theoben moderator. Theoben did not recommend these because of plastic residue left in the barrel.
Nice to see results side-by-side, & compare on the same medium. A note about airgun darts, there are two styles; one has the "hair" tail, as shown here, which are meant for use in smoothbores. The other has a longer, fluted plastic tail, which are meant for rifled barrels. I shot the latter out of my Crosman 1377 pistol many times at a dartboard target, & with only two pumps, got excellent accuracy out to ten yards. However, they do impact far lower than standard projectiles, requiring major sight adjustment or hold-over.
Thanks for the side-by-side comparisons. I'm in the market for a first airgun, and this has at least in general fashion given me a better understanding of shapes and use cases.
Those zombie trackers are useless. The glowing tip is at the front so it flies away from you when you shoot it and you never see it. Pull out the glow tips and glue them in the back of the skirt of a diablo pellet. They're easier to charge with a uv torch when they're loaded and you can actually see them👍
Being from on the " opposite side of the pond " in North Canada, I find your channel now and it is very informative indeed. Having the selection of " springers " you own, I am pleased that you have shared your channel. Thank you for sharing and please post more. Am now notified and subscribed .👍👍👍
i have the gammo red tip and find they don't work very well in my gun, the tip separates from the lead skirt during flight making it essentially an off balanced hollow point that usually hits target sideways instead of tip first
Seriously though, you did a good job. It was a little slow a few times, but you did hold my attention for 24:35. I would have shortened the description of similar projectiles (do a quick showing of them) and would have focused more on comparing the exit channels. Showing which one created the most damage, deepest penetration, most takedown power, etc. Maybe use a piece of meat for a more accurate measurement in the future.
920 FPS is about the speed at which the transonic pressure wave begins, this presure wave is problematic for diablo type pellets because of the aerodynamic character of diablos and should be considered maximum accurate speed for diablos. Slugs don't have this problem and are usually heavier than diablos, so much better at delivering energy at distance accurately (all other aspects being equal).
Are prometheus still available. Had some when they first came out. Appalling accuracy but penetration was insane. They would actually go threw a car door skin and threw a tempered windscreen.
I have 2 German rifles a Walther terrus an a Diana 34 both .22 for some reason they like the crossman hollow points better than the most expensive ones.....
THx the the info - I've been trying to get my hand on some RWS Hyer Max (.221) everyone is out ot stock and I tried some plastic jacketed ammp that I was very disappointed in -
I used the feather ones but didn't know my barrel aren't smooth I hope I didn't do damage as they shot terribly. My feather rounds looks like cast aluminium so they should be softer that the steel.
A quick question if you don't mind? Drozd Blackbird (Russian made bb machine gun) From what I understand it is available in both smoothbore and rifled barrel...but both barrels are designed to shoot steel bb's only. This is contrary to the wisdom of that the steel shot should not be used in rifled barrels. What is your opinion on that?
People just think these pointy pellets with little red or orange tip pellets look nicer so they must be better but they couldn't be more wrong. The flat top pellets are significantly more accurate by a huge margin
Nice video, good info, thanks for it. how far were you shooting the target board? 2 meters? the sound changed and i could't quite make out what yuo said
You did a good job but you should have shown the back side completely and slower on the camera to see the full effect of the damage done by each pellet.
almost posted about having black tip real ammo then saw the DARTS. Holy shit im finding a gun and those darts here in Murica Asap Gonna have the best dart board ever in the barn time to whip out the visa!
Yee Thirty I have been buying Copper & Tin pellets. H&N Sports, Barracuda Green in .177 & .22 cal, “Tin”. Also, Gamo PBA bullets in .177 & .22 cal “Copper” pellets. I started with the .177 copper pellets for hunting desert cottontail. When I finally got a .22 cal., I bought the copper for hunting. I just recently got the Tin pellets. But haven’t hunted with them yet. They closed the National Forests, also shut down the desert “because of Covid 19”.
Hi JRH - very interesting - never heard of the sabotted pellets! Also the Predator Polymags you mention are quite accurate for a pointed pellet in many of my airguns - most other pointed pellets are like you mentioned not great for quality / accuracy. Thanks!
Part two of my comment: I also have an air-gun Kocks from the barrel, the Cat 4.5mm by pushing it down, Harrington & Son Walton England. And a Pioneer barrel breakdown China, and American Classic #1377 and a Crosman 177 model #115. With Co2 cylinder i’ve been collecting for quite some time when I was younger I had a very extensive collection but some people broke into my storage shed and stole them along with my comic books well anyway I still collect BB guns / pellet guns .🕶
I've been experimenting with some of the new slugs that people are casting at home and selling on Ebay. I got some for my armada .25 that are elongated hollow points with a steel core. They literally shred apart on impact with hard surfaces. Very nasty when you think about hitting something live with it.
Thanks! Now that is a comparison I can more or less work on. I'm a tad surprised that you didn't use the Marksman brand in .177 as it's made in the UK. What is the muzzle velocity of your BSA? Respect from 🇿🇦 Just going on this video I subscribed. I wasn't disappointed
The point of the cocking lvr is touching the spring at the last cm of travel your spring could be pulling scew or you have a tightfitting od spring in your gun.
Were you shooting at a 5 M target?... I keep getting a blackout view of the distance between you and the target.... or maybe it was all about you shooting and nothing about the rifles or the targets?
I'm new to air rifle. I have an remg express synthetic .22 Cal. For varmit control and small game hunting what distance would you recommend at zero target for sighting in 4xew scope. My friend and I are in disagreement. I say 50yrds. He's say 50-60ft
22:04 notice how that bird shut up when he raised that airgun lmao.
it sure did. smart bird. the blue Jays where im at start squawk and get loud as hell and fly around from tree to tree but don't stay in one spot for more than a second or so
I have shot jsb exact 15.89grain .22, 5.51waisted diabolo for ten years through my Weihrauch 100 T. They have been reliable and accurate for all those years. Until recently when I started getting a high percentage of flyers. I had the rifle serviced at Hull Cartridge where the gun came from. I then had the gun serviced by an independent gun smith to see if the problem was in the rifle. The gun was passed safe and accurate to use. So then I looked at the jsb,s. And what I found was the pellets when weighed ranged into three distinct weight ranges. Heavy 16.5g medium 15.86g and light 15.00g all from the same tin using calibrated scales.Also jsb has changed the design of the skirt depth from an average of 2.367mm original to 3.471mm latest. An average difference of 1.107mm. In a deeper skirt length. With a pellet height of a constant 7.56 that makes a percentage difference of 6.829. That can have a major ballistic effect on a pellet of 7.56mm. The batch number on the tin is 40560018.
I have never seen a more beautiful demonstration.
Just love the education I have received from you Sir. Look forward to start collecting these pellets. Thanks vf
Loved the wasp pellet as a kid I guess those diabolo are a modern equivalent. The Bisley was the regulation pellets for many of the competition shoots. Those hollow slugs were the typical fairground pellets. Oh the good old days when a range was common place at a fair.
Just bought my first Air Rifle today and I'm excited to watch many more of your videos, thanks for the great info!
This video is legit! I enjoy trying all kinds of pellets and the variety is a bonus to the hobby!
I used to use Prometheus and the Sussex Sabo in my old Airsporter Prometheus was meant to be high velocity and cause larger wound channels as it tumbled . It also made great sparks if it hit concrete say if you missed the target
Thank you for the great information. it always amazes me that alot of people think air weapons aren't that dangerous. nice collection of rifles! thanks again!
@John Conner ?
Food for thought, I shall try and remember what you have shared with us. Many thanks
Thank you for your time and information,,, Enjoyed and learned,,, Excellent Sir,,
Love the camera in back of target. And again the lead balls shot straight and true. Love Lead balls.
The copper ball tipped ones you can buy them in lead with a metal bb ontop, I use to use them, can’t remember who made them but you can see till find them, I use .22 diablo Hades (awesome pellet, great quality) now and Premiere Domed (super cheap and not well made but they work well with my gun)
i have gammo penetrator in .177, steel tip but have a plastic skirt, just like the ones he showed but plastic instead of lead
Currently sold as Gamo Rocket with the little steel BB in the tip
Pretty neat target set-up. Cool seeing someone else using same loads I use regularly too, especially the Crossman pointed H-points. I thought I was the only one who'd picked up on these. Thank you very much for the insights and keep up the good times.
The destroyer?
Well done very diligent .It took a lot of time to do this a great effort. congratulations on a good product.
Can I buy darts for my 177 pump air rifle? I believe it’s probably smoothbore because it’s an inexpensive Daisy Crossman gun.
So the lead balls can be used in rifled barrels?
Yes the ball will engage the rifling but you want the ball to be smooth
Very educational. I learned some new things. Well presented. Thank you Sir.
The best pellet I ever use is crossman hollow points good for hunting and targeting
Well I've thougherly enjoyed your video even though it was made quite a while ago now. Reading some of the comments just proves there are some stupid people about. I fully understood your using different rifles for the different types of pellets used etc. At least I understood it wasn't a comparison, but a demonstration of these pellets. I certainly wouldn't want to ruin a nice rifle either. I actually learned quite a lot as I didn't know about lead balls for a start. I actually used another brand I can't remember now but they were like the Prometheus, a Zink plastic skirted pellet. I used to have to use a brass brush pull through to clean the barrel after a good few went through to clean out the plastic but by God they were very accurate and powerful, they would easily penetrate the door of a steel clothes locker at 30 yds and put a huge dent in the back plate as well. That was using a PCP Daystate MK ll Huntsman. Happy days. I've watched quite a few of your videos now and have really enjoyed them all. 😉👍
The pellets that you describe as "slugs" were originally known as "Singles" and were mostly used in smooth bore guns.
Back in the day I remember using those Prometheus in my Theoben. 22 Eliminator 30ft lb break barrel. Bad ass as the crack suggested that they were breaking the sound barrier even with standard theoben moderator. Theoben did not recommend these because of plastic residue left in the barrel.
Derek Todd
.....and???
That's a follow from me...just had a pre-owned hw80k ....so brushing up in any knowledge I can teach my 8 year old
Outstanding, thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Nice to see results side-by-side, & compare on the same medium. A note about airgun darts, there are two styles; one has the "hair" tail, as shown here, which are meant for use in smoothbores. The other has a longer, fluted plastic tail, which are meant for rifled barrels. I shot the latter out of my Crosman 1377 pistol many times at a dartboard target, & with only two pumps, got excellent accuracy out to ten yards. However, they do impact far lower than standard projectiles, requiring major sight adjustment or hold-over.
Thanks for the side-by-side comparisons. I'm in the market for a first airgun, and this has at least in general fashion given me a better understanding of shapes and use cases.
Should have showed image of pellets as you loaded. But great video!
My mate said your the go to guy ..cheers ladd ..Canada..
Hint, use a wind reducing fluffy thing on you camera 😅
it's called a wind cock
@@jaighter I thought it was called a dead cat? either way, what is with names for camera stuff?!
@@The_Entity IKR ?!?! 🤣
@@jaighter is it now cock ?
Those zombie trackers are useless. The glowing tip is at the front so it flies away from you when you shoot it and you never see it. Pull out the glow tips and glue them in the back of the skirt of a diablo pellet. They're easier to charge with a uv torch when they're loaded and you can actually see them👍
Interesting and valuable information, thanks
The late John Darling used flat head pellets for hunting 👍
Also a go to for hitmen, .22lr wadcutter ;)
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I used to get these pellets that were hollow points with a copper BB seated in the nose. Those were awesome.
Sussex Arms Sabots, I recall those, bloody awful, little pen thing to load them in with
Good vid m8. I like to see the exit holes from the back, it gives you an idea how much damage it might do to a small rodent or rabbit 🐇👍🏻
Being from on the " opposite side of the pond " in North Canada, I find your channel now and it is very informative indeed. Having the selection of " springers " you own, I am pleased that you have shared your channel. Thank you for sharing and please post more.
Am now notified and subscribed .👍👍👍
Nice video 👍🖖
Me who goes on eBay and just buys the cheapest ones that I can get not caring what shape they are: interesting
outstanding presentation. Thank you.
i have the gammo red tip and find they don't work very well in my gun, the tip separates from the lead skirt during flight making it essentially an off balanced hollow point that usually hits target sideways instead of tip first
Maby get a lower psi gun of clean the barrel if that doesn't work just use hollow point
Seriously though, you did a good job. It was a little slow a few times, but you did hold my attention for 24:35. I would have shortened the description of similar projectiles (do a quick showing of them) and would have focused more on comparing the exit channels. Showing which one created the most damage, deepest penetration, most takedown power, etc. Maybe use a piece of meat for a more accurate measurement in the future.
920 FPS is about the speed at which the transonic pressure wave begins, this presure wave is problematic for diablo type pellets because of the aerodynamic character of diablos and should be considered maximum accurate speed for diablos. Slugs don't have this problem and are usually heavier than diablos, so much better at delivering energy at distance accurately (all other aspects being equal).
Airarms Suoerdome were always my go to
Nice collection!
Through my experiences, I found the Prometheus and similar types are best used for penetrating hard surfaces and high projectile velocities.
Are prometheus still available. Had some when they first came out. Appalling accuracy but penetration was insane. They would actually go threw a car door skin and threw a tempered windscreen.
What is the best all round pellet for a .22 hw80 please and I'm using Diablo 14.
5 grain at the mo??
Good video buddy look forward to the next ,, Shane uk 🇬🇧🤗
Where can I find these suxxex pellets? Can't find them on ebay
With pellets, and pellet guns, why do I hear pidgeons in the background? Get busy.
and sparrows!
genoa49 maybe cause it's illegal to dumbass
@@archiehards9174 hey Archie. Go fuck yourself.
@@archiehards9174 Hey Archie. You a Lieberal?
genoa49 lol imagine saying go fuck yourself to a 12 year old 😂😂
Maybe try the performance on a large block of soap. Should be interesting to see.
I have 2 German rifles a Walther terrus an a Diana 34 both .22 for some reason they like the crossman hollow points better than the most expensive ones.....
Great insights and info!
THx the the info - I've been trying to get my hand on some RWS Hyer Max (.221) everyone is out ot stock and I tried some plastic jacketed ammp that I was very disappointed in -
Thankyou for sharing.
Hello again from Canada, good stuff ..cheers
RWS Super Point are the best pellets I have used, really clean and consistent.
Subs ! nice video mate
I used the feather ones but didn't know my barrel aren't smooth I hope I didn't do damage as they shot terribly. My feather rounds looks like cast aluminium so they should be softer that the steel.
A quick question if you don't mind?
Drozd Blackbird (Russian made bb machine gun)
From what I understand it is available in both smoothbore and rifled barrel...but both barrels are designed to shoot steel bb's only.
This is contrary to the wisdom of that the steel shot should not be used in rifled barrels.
What is your opinion on that?
is it safe to shoot 2 pellets out of a airgun that has been dieseled.
Very interesting, thanks
People just think these pointy pellets with little red or orange tip pellets look nicer so they must be better but they couldn't be more wrong. The flat top pellets are significantly more accurate by a huge margin
No piledriver?
Nice video, good info, thanks for it. how far were you shooting the target board? 2 meters? the sound changed and i could't quite make out what yuo said
Great informative video thanks
Great video. Nice to see someone shooting all the kinds of pellets 😁
You did a good job but you should have shown the back side completely and slower on the camera to see the full effect of the damage done by each pellet.
almost posted about having black tip real ammo then saw the DARTS. Holy shit im finding a gun and those darts here in Murica Asap Gonna have the best dart board ever in the barn time to whip out the visa!
I'll have a full video on the darts out soon.
I have a Dianna smooth boar pistol what ammo would you recommend it has a brass barrel
Good video, wpuld be interesting to see some custom ammo such as .22 lead bullet tips or alternatives such as silver or aluminum.
Yee Thirty
I have been buying Copper & Tin pellets.
H&N Sports, Barracuda Green in .177 & .22 cal, “Tin”. Also, Gamo PBA bullets in .177 & .22 cal “Copper” pellets. I started with the .177 copper pellets for hunting desert cottontail. When I finally got a .22 cal., I bought the copper for hunting.
I just recently got the Tin pellets. But haven’t hunted with them yet.
They closed the National Forests, also shut down the desert “because of Covid 19”.
Those automatic safeties are a PITA, aren't they?
No incendiary rounds? I know they're mostly fabricated at home but I think a few companies manufacture them in small batches. Still fun though.
You can get the armor piercing pellets in .22 (at least in the US)
Great vid.
Hi JRH - very interesting - never heard of the sabotted pellets! Also the Predator Polymags you mention are quite accurate for a pointed pellet in many of my airguns - most other pointed pellets are like you mentioned not great for quality / accuracy. Thanks!
The cheaper SMK and the BSA meteor were noticeably quieter than the others
Good 👍
lol what kind of armor is that pellet supposed to go through?
Part two of my comment: I also have an air-gun Kocks from the barrel, the Cat 4.5mm by pushing it down, Harrington & Son Walton England. And a Pioneer barrel breakdown China, and American Classic #1377 and a Crosman 177 model #115. With Co2 cylinder i’ve been collecting for quite some time when I was younger I had a very extensive collection but some people broke into my storage shed and stole them along with my comic books well anyway I still collect BB guns / pellet guns .🕶
I've been experimenting with some of the new slugs that people are casting at home and selling on Ebay. I got some for my armada .25 that are elongated hollow points with a steel core. They literally shred apart on impact with hard surfaces. Very nasty when you think about hitting something live with it.
Good brevity makes sense
Fun fact: hollow point pellets don't expand at all on lower powered air rifles. So for most people, it's not worth buying them.
Can you do a best grouping from your most accurate rifle and pellet please.
Do a Gel Test With the Various Ammo
you would only need a small amount of gel
Jallen depends on the density
Good video thank you👌🏿
i've just shaved my head today and had a random urge to look up air guns. every review features someone with a shaved head.
so what's the difference between air gun and bb gun? You're still shooting a projectile
i don't do shooting of any kind, (though i would if i was able) but still found this really interesting.
Use to see the slugs years ago at funfare when they had rifle shooting
Thanks! Now that is a comparison I can more or less work on. I'm a tad surprised that you didn't use the Marksman brand in .177 as it's made in the UK.
What is the muzzle velocity of your BSA?
Respect from 🇿🇦
Just going on this video I subscribed. I wasn't disappointed
I tried to say your name and now there is a demon in my room
@@cody3362 rotflmfao!!
How many fps do your guns shoot? Without a firearms certificate, they have to be under 500 fps here. They are mostly 495 fps.
my brother has a 1500 pfs we live in ohio and ive seen higher he dont need any licence s
15:14 My fixed barrel .22 airgun is doing the same noise as yours whe you pull the lever, is it normal?
The point of the cocking lvr is touching the spring at the last cm of travel your spring could be pulling scew or you have a tightfitting od spring in your gun.
How loud are airgun s
Nice👍
Domed are the most accurate in my experience with different rifles
Little rock throwers. LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Were you shooting at a 5 M target?... I keep getting a blackout view of the distance between you and the target.... or maybe it was all about you shooting and nothing about the rifles or the targets?
You must use ballistic gell
I'm new to air rifle. I have an remg express synthetic .22 Cal. For varmit control and small game hunting what distance would you recommend at zero target for sighting in 4xew scope. My friend and I are in disagreement. I say 50yrds. He's say 50-60ft
I would say about a half inch high at 50 ft
Depends on how far you're going to be shooting