Your conclusions are perfectly valid. Might have lessened confusion if you had just left out the "stopped gun" example. Still and super fast would have demonstrated your valid point.
@the45er I hear what you're saying Rob but I wanted to include that example, to show that stopping your gun, doesn't have any affect either. I have often seen comments regarding this connotation of "stopping the gun" too.
I'm assuming some folk are under the impression that they can effect shot pattern by quickly moving the muzzles? alot like water from a hose pipe? I've heard this ridiculous claim several times and it's insane. A 28 gram lead load is roughly 3/4 inch in length in a cartridge and would be roughly that length as it exists the muzzle at an average of 1300fps. It's isn't humanly possible to have any influence on shot spread.
@@AdamsClayShootingGuide yup. Flat earthers Adam. Here's one to watch on u tube. Surviving Duck season. The shot pattern in slowmo. Absolutely fascinating. Also Bob Brister called out this myth in the 70's with his excellent book. Shotguns the Art and Science.
I don't think people fully understand how fast the shot is leaving the barrel. I know it slows down pretty quickly but its speed at muzzle is about 900 mph or in other words, a mile in under 4 seconds.@stevenlord782
I hate to be the guy in the comments disagreeing but when people talk about stopping the gun they're talking about lead not the pattern, think you've missed the point?
@lukedealberdi3713 No, there are two meanings to stopping the gun but yes, the other meaning is when trying to measure lead but not doing it properly. By concentrating on the target, then looking back to the barrel/bead, instead of learning how to incorporate both at the same time. In this instance however, I mean exactly how I have demonstrated, essentially not following through after taking the shot. So stopping the gun at the point of taking the shot, which some believe alters the pattern.
No, there are people out there who think gun speed can turn a round pattern into an oval. I've been told this by a few at my club. I wouldn't trust some of these guys to flip my hamburger let alone articulate a ballistic theory that would allow this to happen.
@@AdamsClayShootingGuide Aye, 👍 some do...I was being flippant about using lead over wetlands. Unfortunately the total ban is approaching. "Steel" the only practical, economic alternative will create its own problems.
@brucebell1809 Having tested steel, I'm not concerned at all from a shooting point of view. However, like you say, it will cause it's own fair share of problems too.
@@AdamsClayShootingGuide 👍a ground near me had banned steel for whatever reason...🤔 and eg. there could be an issue shooting into trees with pellets ricocheting everywhere...eye protection would be mandatory (although I always use it regardless)
That was interesting . I didn't think there would be any chance at all , but I would not have bet my life on it !
Your conclusions are perfectly valid. Might have lessened confusion if you had just left out the "stopped gun" example. Still and super fast would have demonstrated your valid point.
@the45er I hear what you're saying Rob but I wanted to include that example, to show that stopping your gun, doesn't have any affect either. I have often seen comments regarding this connotation of "stopping the gun" too.
I'm assuming some folk are under the impression that they can effect shot pattern by quickly moving the muzzles? alot like water from a hose pipe? I've heard this ridiculous claim several times and it's insane.
A 28 gram lead load is roughly 3/4 inch in length in a cartridge and would be roughly that length as it exists the muzzle at an average of 1300fps.
It's isn't humanly possible to have any influence on shot spread.
@stevenlord782 Totally agree but unfortunately, it's out there and some take it in.
@@AdamsClayShootingGuide yup. Flat earthers Adam.
Here's one to watch on u tube.
Surviving Duck season. The shot pattern in slowmo. Absolutely fascinating.
Also Bob Brister called out this myth in the 70's with his excellent book. Shotguns the Art and Science.
I don't think people fully understand how fast the shot is leaving the barrel. I know it slows down pretty quickly but its speed at muzzle is about 900 mph or in other words, a mile in under 4 seconds.@stevenlord782
I can't really believe anyone would think it would make a difference.
@@billbo7630 No nor me but plenty do, especially with skeet it seems.
I hate to be the guy in the comments disagreeing but when people talk about stopping the gun they're talking about lead not the pattern, think you've missed the point?
@lukedealberdi3713 No, there are two meanings to stopping the gun but yes, the other meaning is when trying to measure lead but not doing it properly. By concentrating on the target, then looking back to the barrel/bead, instead of learning how to incorporate both at the same time. In this instance however, I mean exactly how I have demonstrated, essentially not following through after taking the shot. So stopping the gun at the point of taking the shot, which some believe alters the pattern.
No, there are people out there who think gun speed can turn a round pattern into an oval. I've been told this by a few at my club. I wouldn't trust some of these guys to flip my hamburger let alone articulate a ballistic theory that would allow this to happen.
Very interesting 👌 a great video 👍👍
Thank you very much!
Love it
@knighty254 Glad you liked it.
Just a waste of cartridges... hopefully there was no lead contamination of the pond...
@@brucebell1809 Plenty of grounds set targets over water.
@@AdamsClayShootingGuide
Aye, 👍 some do...I was being flippant about using lead over wetlands.
Unfortunately the total ban is approaching. "Steel" the only practical, economic alternative will create its own problems.
@brucebell1809 Having tested steel, I'm not concerned at all from a shooting point of view. However, like you say, it will cause it's own fair share of problems too.
@@AdamsClayShootingGuide 👍a ground near me had banned steel for whatever reason...🤔
and eg. there could be an issue shooting into trees with pellets ricocheting everywhere...eye protection would be mandatory (although I always use it regardless)
@@brucebell1809100% thanks for the comment