Came here to say this. If it's your home, you'll know what the construction material is. What I've seen overseas (I'm in the USA) is most are concrete or brick. Here in the USA it would be rare to see interior walls being anything but wood and drywall. Most pistols will zip right on through. With a rifle, you'd hit your neighbor nextdoor.
That's because tactics are very dynamic and situational, that it's almost impossible to train. You can spend your entire life training to work around corners/walls, but the only gunfight you get in (if you ever do) will be between two cars. There's nothing wrong with tactics, it's important to gloss over them as thought experiments (that's why I am here), but shooting techniques are the most important because those are actual hard skills that can be transferred to any situation.
Training shooting techniques it's very important too, great for accuracy, and speed on the flat range. Gunfights however it's a completely different thing where more aspects such as your experience, previous scenario training, mental strength, ability to work under stress, fast decision making, tactics, and environment can play a crucial role.
I discovered ‘pre-firing’ back in the days of playing the original call of duty games 15 years or so ago. That’s where with a full auto weapon you begin firing into the suspected corner just before you enter, if done perfectly it would leave almost zero time for them to react and would die instantly lol. It became so effective and infamous the players hiding in corners would hate on you and call you a cheater lol
I'm glad you did the blind fire technique, I didn't think anyone would try it out because of the naysayers who would say you need to confirm, obviously this would be done if you knew for a fact the guy was alone and holding that corner. If one suspected on site civilians, hostages or family members as a possibility, then you simply wouldn't do it.
Correct. We showed this option, as it's a safe option once we have met the condition you mention in your comment. This technique is used often to clear the trenches, and buildings on the battlefield, where you do not expect any friendlies.
My comments are in the context of home defense. Since you used the #HomeDefense tag, I would recommend against blind firing in nearly every situation. You are responsible for every bullet, and if your stray ends up on another structure (especially if it hits someone else), you may be effed. Don't blind fire. You don't know what you're shooting at ... could be a 20lb propane cylinder there ...
It is often hard to be sure that the perpetrator doesn’t have a hostage with them as a shield or to know what is behind the wall behind the perpetrator. Shooting blind is highly risky in most scenarios. I was waiting for you to throw something into the room to draw the perpetrators attention to that moving object and give you time to “slice the pie” and get off a shot and then retreat behind cover to assess the effectiveness of that first shot. Or, depending on the circumstances, you can just go all in and keep shooting and hope to disable the perpetrator before they can land a shot on you.
The funny thing is we had them with us, and they were on during the recording on other videos about CQB earlier that day. Not sure why we did not put them on for this video. I can only apologies.
Correct. We understand, that the fact that I succeeded in one case does not mean that I take it for granted, and when I use it for the second time I'll be also successful. Too many variables, each situation is different and may produce different outcomes.
The scenario I see is: You are coming home from work or something, your family is already home, and you see that your home was broken into and so you have to get into there to save your family.
@@rabidskylark2065 It is one of the many possible scenarios, sure. In this video, we focused more on the technical, and tactical aspects of this specific situation - I got him cornered, he knows I'm coming, I have to go through that room.
@@bzacademy-poland Yeah, I know. I was just trying to show the commenter that it's not always possible to set up an ambush depending on the circumstances.
Yes, all fights/battles are determined by the manipulation of speed, surprise, & ferocity. By coming in low you know in advance to shoot high .. while the other person is still focused on shooting high which gives you an advantage. Or even throwing something to distract them.
Actually wiped a team on R6 siege by using this very philosophy, I was defender on the airplane map, they were breaching, I popped a smoke and went prone inside it, they all walked right over into my spiderweb and I knifed their legs.
Interesting video. Fun to see how some of these principals apply to tac-shooters like Counter Strike or Valorant: For example, in the first scenario of slicing the pie, in game we have a term called "angle disadvantage", in which whoever is closer to the angle will be visible to the opponent first, thus increasing the odds of losing the fight. For this reason, you dont slow peek/slice the pie of angles in which the enemy could be further away. This leads into the 2nd scenario, which we would call wide peeking/ swinging the angle. If you know an enemy has the angle advantage, it can sometimes work to get as close to the corner as possible and full sprint out, thus throwing off their crosshair placement as you are moving away from the corner relatively faster. Of course it doesn't always work, but if the enemy is expecting you to slow peek it might catch them by surprise. The third scenario is what we would call a crouch peek. It takes the same principle of the wide peek to throw off the crosshair placement of the enemy by peeking out much lower than what they expect. Only drawback is you are kind of committed to the fight, as crouching hinders your movement slightly. In the last example, we dont really have anything comparable in tac-shooters, as its just not a mechanic in the game to blind-fire around corners. The closest thing we would have is "spamming" in which you shoot through thin surfaces blindly, or perhaps "pre-firing" in which you basically shoot as soon as you know your crosshair will be around the corner, regardless of target confirmation.
Angle disadvantage is caused by the fact that the character models in games have their rifles tight in their shoulder pocket no matter what they do, whereas their elbows and legs extend past their guns to the left and right. "Real" humans will lean, switch shoulders, and tuck their stock into their bicep, or even hold it outside their bicep, so that ideally the first thing the enemy sees is your muzzle. Both the wide peek and the crouch peak are exploiting the reactionary gap between where your opponent expects you to be and where you actually are. Perhaps the more "gamey" equivalent to the blindfire technique is grenades/flashbangs, which can be thrown around corners, and are much easier for a video game character to get their hands on than a real person.
The whole video is great but the reality check was just perfect. I would add that if it’s a thin wall I would shoot through it. Obviously the wall in the video is not penetrable but all the walls in my house are. I know if I shoot the wall over my stove the rounds will pass through my bedroom closet and shower. If I shoot just to the right my bedroom door frame the rounds will also pass behind the bathroom doorway. No one is going to have a tactical advantage in my own home.
Thank you for your comment. Shooting trough the wall is a possibility, but it depends on the wall. Here in Poland most of the interior walls are build from bricks, or other hard concrete type materials. In my home walls are as thick as the ones on the video, so no way I can do it, but if your environment allows it and you feel comfortable about it it's an option.
It's physically possible to shoot through walls, but in the moment, when you know there's an armed intruder in your home in another room with a gun of his own, and adrenaline is pumping through your body... you might not have the time or mental faculties to think/confirm about where the bullet will go if you miss, the bullet deviates, or if they guy moves. Something to consider. That, and handgun rounds are horrible fight stoppers, I can easily see a guy waste more than half his mag of 9mm trying to guestimate shots, and then have a few shots left to actually hit the attacker with.
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Gear and split times means nothing without tactics. Happy to see elevation changes and blind corner shots when the target has already been identified. Shooting through drywall is also an option but remember that works both ways.
Agree on the tactics. Flat range target practice got not much in common with a gunfight in my opinion. It helps of course with the fundamentals of shooting, but when it comes to the fight much more variables need to be taken into account.
There is actually a great video of russian military storm trooper explaining this kind of situation. In the video the trooper explains that, you should when clearing a room corner move like you did in "slicing the pie" horizontally, peaking to see the target, not too much just enough to notice where the target is. Then you would fire with "zero exposure">peak again with "slicing the pie" and fire and if the target is still not down you would level change and fire again.
Another variant is extremely short peekaboo slicing. Where you just rapidly move your head and return back to safety before enemy can react. Then depending on situation either zero exposure at close uncovered target is possible, but IMHO changing elevation is more universal in winning corners at various distances against opponents in cover. You do not always have short corner, sometimes you have whole corridor or hall.
@@nickst2797 Saw it on telegram but as yourself, couldn't find it anywhere. Luckily i saved it, so i uploaded it for anybody interested in this topic, also i might add to BZ academy, great video, i didn't give enough credit!
Its called blind fire, but yeah, a lot of the gun fights in war are like that, you rapidly just snap your head into the corner very slightly just enough to notice A person and then just blind fire at him.
It's a gamble with bad odds in the end as the one " defending " always has the advantage if he knows you're coming, my first thought seeing the thumbnail was that the guy defending the corner would be the most likely to use the elevation change to throw off your attack, and you can't just go paper rock scissor on every corner. Best thing to do imo is to get in cover where you have a good view on the exits, then it's a waiting game until the intruder decides to gtfo because he's stuck
Yes, it's a gamble, and the results are unpredictable. However, we believe that training and testing help bring the odds in your favour. In the scenario you are talking about, I see two skilled guys fighting for the corner. We assume that the skilled guy clears the corner, and a regular perpetrator who invaded your house hides in the corner. I don't think that they have trained much in this subject. Getting into the cover and waiting is the best thing to do, and we talk about it at the very beginning of the video, but if we do that there would be a very boring video to watch. Stay safe.
You missed one option. The call of duty slide. Gets me every time. Just sprint towards the doorway and start a horizontal slide right before entering while you begin blasting away into the corner. 🤣
If I were to ever be in some sort of firefight like this, however unlikely it would be, I would use a mirror to check around walls and under doors! I want to see this method tested!
@@bzacademy-poland For sure, not. But maybe it would be a good idea to keep a mirror with your guns just in case! Unless of course that only causes more problems?
To be honest I never tried using a mirror to check the corner, but only by thinking about it I can already see some issues with hand switching problem (left/right corner). But it's a good subject to actually try how it works.
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In the 3rd response the model appears to be one of doing the unexpected (changing height) - anticipating (the others position - high, low) - acting (shooting). This response was successful and can be fast. It is successful because it employs an action which slows the others reaction by necessitating a correction (change of height). It is fast because it is leading action out front of reaction (anticipation). If in leaning from the crouched position the hands are high anticipating a standing corner guy but the discovery is that he is crouching aiming high both persons must engage in correction. I believe at that point the advantage may be lost and both engage in a burst ( reaction speed) to first shots and accuracy/caliber/type of firearm/lighting for either guy/other factors that may slow reaction or put off aim (light burst)/training,commitment, armor etc. Thanks for doing this experiment which may challenge many truisms and show the difficulty in reality and why better doctrine may prevail over some established truisms.
Very good comment. Thank you for that. If you look closely at second attempt (Running into the room), when I run into the room I was expecting the corner guy to be standing, and automatically I took the shot as soon as I passed the corner. Unfortunately for me he decided to go lower, and lowered his posture. As a matter of fact my shot was the first one, and landed where his upper chest/neck would be if he was standing. (like on the first go). Then I adjusted the high, but it was too late as I got hit.
@bzacademy-poland yes exactly. It would be interesting to try the run with a mind set of ' not knowing' where the other is high or low and perhaps a second after rolling in an unfamiliar nonesense object. Pick something up T the dollor store destroy it or a toilet tank floating ball disfigured so it's unrecognizable. The mind is being led to identify 'what is that' sllows reaction. The mind unless the most disciplined like a dog cannot let go of identifying even if it eventually decides, 'it's nonesense'. Again attacking defender must unhook from expectations/anticipstion of his ploy, that it will have x effect. Love the work you do. You have earned my subscription.
I remember playing airsoft and someone tried to flank me in a very close quarters spot. I have been conditioned to react by immediately dumping an entire magazine into any flankers. The flanker himself was not ready for the barrage of bullets (BBs) that stopped him in his tracks. He was too busy telling me he was "hit" than try to shoot back. Lesson I learned: 1. Surprise is always a good thing to have on your side 2. Overwhelm the aggressor to the point they are the victim 3. Always strive to be a highly observant person in all your senses (hearing, sight, smell etc.). You will gain great awareness during times of relaxation and times of high stress.
These are great things to think about. In a real situation like this, either one is about to die or be seriously injured, so the adrenaline is also a factor. Your enemy might even think of the same exact things. I think you must be the one to causing a reaction rather than being the one who needs to react in this situation.
To mitigate the blind-fire issue from zero exposure, you could just peek the corner real quick. If done quick enough both of you will see each other but not have enough time to shoot, and exposing yourself just enough to see is a much smaller target than exposing enough to see + shoot.
Sure, but why would I do that in this particular scenario where a the beginning we agreed that we know that the threat is in the corner? It would be good to discover unknown area when we don't know what is in the corners.
i heared that soviet times kgb specnaz tactics is to look to a corner very fast from lower 1/3 of height(90% of people after a corner are aiming in a chest). and then they shoot without aiming from corner and its working more or less good, sometimes😂
That would only work if you had no risk of collateral damage in that direction and you already knew that you wanted to kill whatever is in that corner without looking at it first to make sure... that being said, there is a good chance that you wouldn't kill them instantly with a handgun without aiming, so they would probably shoot back at you either in the hand or through the corner, so it would be a messy gunfight at best. At worse, you just killed your neighbor or your friend accidentally because you weren't sure of your target and what is beyond it, or you miss the bad guy and they shoot you through the corner because they know where you are standing because your arm is visible.
I have a question: If the bad guy in the corner hears you coming and moves slightly away from the corner, wouldn't you miss him, giving him the upper hand in returning fire on you if you do not identify exactly where he is first?
Sure that may happen. However in most of the cases we try to get close to the corner, so we may see him moving. CQB is really unpredictable, and many things may happen.
What i've learned from video games, is that the farther away you are from a corner, the easier it is to see an enemy without them seeing you. But this only happens with extended body parts like arms or legs.
You see. You can learn from video games too. This is correct, the longer distance from the cover/corner you have the better field of view you have, and more time and space for reaction. What was that, COD?
Its very hard to precisely predict this kind of situations where 1. bad guy might have a 1second advantage and he gets an iniciative or the fact he will move so the "full covered" tactic might make you not full covered. Also depents of width of the wall between you. Dobry film Panowie.
You could also use a psychological method. By trying to talk him out of the situation but half way through your sentence lean out and do the business. By talking to him even though he is still very much alert to the situation you are taking some of his focus away from the situation by conversing with him and so 30-40% of his focus is on your voice. As soon as you stop talking then his focus is back to 100% but it is least expected for you to do the business if you do it before finishing your sentence 😉 Note: Of course talking to him also puts you at risk too since he can gauge how close you are and where you are positioned by the sound of your voice and he may not be at all interested in what you have to say and so it has pros and cons. So it's very much down to personal preference and you don't want to talk too long giving him the chance to gauge where you're positioned and decide to do the business to you before you finish your sentence. That would be a complete flip of the script lol
Good point here, but the assumption of the video was to try four tactics to see what result we can get. Next time we will also try to do the talking bit. Thanks for the comment.
@bzacademy-poland I didn't expect a response but thank you for the reply, it's much appreciated and keep the the good videos. I always enjoy watching this type of content. 😇👍
@bzacademy-poland I'm not sure how you will be able to test it since he will know what the tactic is. Of course, it still may work but it will not be as effective as it would be in a real life situation against someone who is unaware of that tactic. If you try this method for the purpose of a video, he will know that as soon as you start talking you are getting ready to pop out and do the business, so he will probably be super focused lol. Would be fun to see though.
Good video. One of the things I was hoping to see you try was skipping rounds either off the corner or the floor to see if you could disorient him and get in there. Less safe than just blind firing, but in a couple of your attempts both of you seemed to recoil pretty hard for fear of getting shot so it'd be interesting to see if that'd change anything in your favor. Blind fire is probably underrated but I'd guess that's because most this info comes from vets worried about friendlies in an urban war context, just not worth the risk of catching a friendly bullet because privatefaggot got spooked by your boots.
Very good comment, and idea. We will try it next time, and see how it works. Of course skipping rounds may not be good for every environment, such as houses built from woods etc, but here in Poland we have solid interior walls, so it may be a good idea.
Throw grenade?:) 5:54 That is correct way to me for close range shots. Also crounch work well too. Its bad always expose too much of body. Or just be more defensive,call police or talk to him?
Some observations: An additional technique not tested would be the "pre-fire" where you pie the corner fairly quickly, but already firing and walking the shots into the target (not knowing the exact position/elevation of target). With real firearms, the muzzle blast and fear of being hit might be enough to keep the target from accurately returning fire. Another thing, if you were the one in the corner, to avoid the "blind fire" technique demonstrated last, you might wait in a more open position, which might surprise an attempted "blind fire", and also might give you a slight room to retreat from an attempt to "pie the corner". Also, there is always the possibility at an time that the person in the corner might use one of the same tactics against you to go on the offense. In all situations, this is a very high risk attack. There is a reason the military avoids doing this whenever possible, but instead uses indirect methods to reach a defended confined space.
Many militaries try to avoid it by training against it but if you watch enough combat footage youll notice that this is one of the most used tactics to just blind fire (even if trained otherwise, natural reaction of your body not wanting to be exposed to lethal danger) when you either know for sure or even just suspect someone to be there, some militaries are even teaching this way of assaulting a room, throw a grenade, pre fire WITH blind fire both hard corners and keep walking in as you pre fire the entire room which may sound chaotic and unorganized, but if done properly and trained actually very effective and counters many other "flashy/hollywoody/cinematic" tactics.
Agree. As a matter of fact I've seen footage from Ukraine, where UA special forces were clearing trenches from Russians using only blind fire technique. On top of that there were also screaming to Russians to give up before they proceeded with blind fire giving them opportunity to survive. (not sure if they always do that if they don't record it). I've seen also this technique done by the IDF in GAZA. This technique is very controversial, but it's the safest one you can do. However in a civilian environment it may carry some consequences.
Good argument for recreational frag grenades 😂 Really though I almost wonder if falling back into a darker part of the room and "letting it breathe" would be the safest option for you especially if you know he is alone. Turn the ambusher into the ambushee
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Nice and interesting set of movies. Thx for this. Makes me also even more interested into the C.A.R. System. BZ Home defence course... yes, maybe 2026... already planed another course at ESA next year. ;-)
Well, I started with that’s gonna suck without grenades. Then I picked up on “in your house” and went with elevation change. Then I saw blind shot and now I’m back to grenades. Kidding aside really good stuff.
I can't see where this would actually be applied except in a combat environment and situation. In that case I'm keeping distance, dumping the mag into that corner splattering tiles in the opponents face, getting the angle and dispatching the threat.
Can tactical flashlight make a difference? The guy is starting at the corner. In theory intense light can partially blind him for a moment, that may be enough. I really like this experimental approach. The only concern is the opponent is "scripted" to wait in the corner. I wonder how the situation changes if he is allowed/motivated to make move as well. It's reasonable to expect that he will want to run/attack/whatever, not just stay in the corner and wait for cops.
Thank you for your comment. Flashlight can be useful of course, OC Spray, and other things. We may try it on the other tests. On this video we covered what we covered. Yes opponent was scripted to stay there, but he changed the elevation which caused my second attempt to engage to fail if you look closely.
Also, could you show us one where you use a Flash Bang? ( Not that everyone has a Flash Bang at the ready, improvise! ) Toss it right in front of him with your eyes closed, ears covered for the second. With his wide open waiting for you, off guard he would not be able to see, or hear for that matter for more than enough time to take care of business. Or as noted by other comments a distraction of some sort. A home invasion scenario or situation can happen or change so fast, and no two are ever the same. You have to be ready for anything. Train. Practice. Above all stay aware.
We could do this, but I don't believe that will bring any benefit to the subject, as we are talking about civilian home defence scenario. If you have one of course sure it may give you an advantage.
I thought they would test the hyper-peek method. If you need info on an unknown threat potential. It can also be followed up by more precise blind fire.
We did not test this one, but for sure we will perform the test again, as there are many good ideas in the comments we would like to try, so subscribe, so you won't miss it:)
Elevation change (crouching) is risky though, since it limits your movement and exposes your head to shots fired from a lowering gun (bad guy after being hit).
All CQB is very risky, especially if you do it on your own. To minimize the risk of getting hit I did it dynamically, and got back to cover quickly after taking the threat down. This part in this particular case was successful, but it does not mean it will be successful always.
I think as a civilian, the best less risky situation would be to lock down the room and wait for police. As police use a flash bang or stinger. Try to do everything to reduce risk
Yes correct, and I talk about it at the very beginning of this video. However in the scenario when you wait for the cops to arrive, being armed, and having your family being assaulted in the other part of the house, you may have to make a decision to get involved.
should always carry a lil paracord "monkeys fist" with a small lanyard handle that you can tug on to unravel into ~1 meter length of rope because if you swing that around the corner you can essentially make contact without ever exposing yourself or at the very least use it to create a distraction. another method i'd incorporate knowing the guy was in the corner waiting like that is to simply take a low stance and get your pistol hand to about "center mass" for a crouch and then just poke your pistol around the corner and squeeze off 2-3 rounds only ever exposing your gun and hand.
Not exposing your head, ever, is the name of the game with this scenario sir. Be safe out there. Elevation chg, fire 7or 8!fast accurate ones with only barrel and little bit of fingers exposed is what works.
Ive seen a couple of people do the running on force on force and not get hit because they hit the actor really fast and a lot of times (I did it once without getting hit) so I guess that it depends on whether you hit the shots or not. The actor got hit once out of 3 or 4 shots fired
In this particular scenario if you watch closely, I fired first , but I missed due to threat lowering the level. If he stayed standing as on the first go, that techniques would work on my favor. This shows, how dangerous, and unpredictable CQB is.
I get what ur doin in this training scenario but when it comes to this kind of head to head stand off it will be 50/50 .. these odds are not good so u would need some thing to effect the odds in ur favor slitly enuff that u can get the first shot.. iv plaid out this very thing and used a small item to throw across the room the heavier the better with a high percentage it took ops attention for that split second i needed to place rounds on target..great video thanks cheers mate✨️👍
I've always thought about something similar to what you're saying about the item/object thrown across/middle of room.. sounds like a good idea however.... maybe using rounds in place of just throwing an object you find is a better idea???
Ideally you want the first shot, agreed, but if you understand ballistics, you know that unless you hit the CNS (and a good hit in the CNS) the first shot won't stop him, and more than likely both of you will have a trade window of lethal shots.
Face as close to the wall and use third person to peek at your enemies and do the peek and weave back and forts. If the enemy pushes you your options are slide jump the hell out of there or bunny hop while shooting.
lol in airsoft I try prefiring when I start shooting into the corner before I see the threat and just keep leading the "bullets" into the enemy. You should try that too.
No. Not at all. A long gun is almost always better than a pistol for shooting, barring certain specific situations. But if all you have is a pistol, then make it work. A long gun v pistol in this situation would be even better as you could poke the barrel around the corner and blast from cover better than a pistol
Thank you for your comment. Depends on where you are. In the US, and Canada probably most of the interior walls are drywall/wood mixture. Here in Poland, we have bricks and aerated concrete blocks. Would be good to test those for penetration, and see the results.
Even that being the case. Based on DGU statistics, LEOKA statistics and human behavior force science studies people do not shoot through walls intentionally in gunfights. It literally never happens. And there’s a good reason people don’t do it.
@@writingonthewalls9052 correct, never seen it on body cams, or CCTV footage from the gunfight. People shoot if they can see what they are shooting at. Even the completely untrained perpetrators.
Would have been interesting to see point of view of each person and this camera angel at the same time to get a better understanding of when the threat is found. You can not really use low elevation because if you are not 100% sure the only treat is in that corner you are exposing yourself from other places. Also its harder to fall back. Other alternatives and crazy ideas could possibly be: * a distraction * gas * backing up even more to get a better view * shooting through the wall * wait him out (in this case if he was for an example a burglar and you have called the police time is on your side and his option is only to try escape or stay until police come and gets arrested) * you can lure him. It will not work in this example but maybe in real life. "just leave my home I will not shoot" * some sort of shield could possibly be used * getting help from one more person and one gives covering fire at the wall/ corner and the other moves forward and attack * using a mirror * Just lean in fast and shoot directly and then back directly. everything in 1-2 second mission including shooting and falling back
@@bzacademy-poland Well... you know, if I had one. (sarcasm x-) ) Other doing it wider, and going tight against the opposite wall and getting first shoot. I see no other way.
As a pro r6 siege player: you first pie the room to figure out where the enemy is but you need to be quick. If you already know their location you can skip this step and prefire with or without exposure. After locating enemy back off and peek again but this time from a different angle/elevation and while in the process of doing this you should be firing continually in order to stop them from peeking you. Who dares wins.
A finger on the trigger for sure will speed up the response, but I can't entirely agree with High Ready. High Ready is slower to engage (tested it many times with a timer), but most importantly, it disturbs the view of what is below. If the attacker was low (kneeling, sitting on something, or in low squat position, or hiding behind the furniture) you would probably not even see him, as your pistol, and hands would block the field of view.
USPSA shooters train both with finger on the trigger and without, the difference is measured to 0.05th of a second. If you think that matters that's up to you.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems The closer the gun fight is the more lower numbers matter and youre talking about shooters that train for a long time and have drilled muscle memory, most people that buy a gun just go to the range every now and then and not many even dry practice at home or anything so these numbers will go up and matter even more at that range.
@@mike8386 I don't disagree about the lower numbers mattering the closer the fight is, but lets look at the bigger picture. 99.9% of people doing this stuff in real life, including police and SWAT, will be doing it while not knowing for sure if the corner has a threat or a civilian, a home invader or a family/friend. That finger off the trigger can prevent you from popping one off unintentionally in a high stress situation. And honestly, if people are researching this kinda stuff thinking they'll need it someday, then they really should train so that they can employ safety measures without hindering their shooting.
Good but not fair , you know the guy is in that corner. I would live to see the other person switch up and move top the opposite corner and then you convince you tactically if you can defeat him/her.
Sure, you claim it's not fair, but he smoked me twice.The result was 2:2, so draw. We discuss the situation you describe in the video which just been uploaded. ruclips.net/video/Pvx6kNOBP5c/видео.html
I know it’s a video game and I’m gonna get shit for it, but it’s to some degree a simulation of real life. Anyway, in first person shooter games such as call of duty, by far the most effective way to defeat someone waiting around the corner with gun pointed at the entrance was to “pre-fire” , a now widely recognized term in the fps gaming world where you would begin aiming and firing at the suspected corner with a high rate of fire full auto weapon a split second just before/as you entered the room. This tactic became infamously effective and players hiding in corners waiting to ambush would become upset and even consider it cheating to some degree lol.
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Pro tip: in most houses in the United States, walls are concealment, not cover B)
Yes agree with that. In Poland on the other hand they are from bricks, or other concrete type of materials. Very rarely from drywall and wood.
Came here to say this. If it's your home, you'll know what the construction material is. What I've seen overseas (I'm in the USA) is most are concrete or brick. Here in the USA it would be rare to see interior walls being anything but wood and drywall. Most pistols will zip right on through. With a rifle, you'd hit your neighbor nextdoor.
that's why us houses is stupid.
@@gundarvarr1024 Because they're not designed for combat?
@@rmnley not for combat while 52% of US house got a gun?
This is great. Most weapon channels only talk about shooting techniques, but very rare to talk about tactics. Very good job.
Thank you. We aim to produce more tests and see what actually may work, and what is the waste of time.
That's because tactics are very dynamic and situational, that it's almost impossible to train. You can spend your entire life training to work around corners/walls, but the only gunfight you get in (if you ever do) will be between two cars. There's nothing wrong with tactics, it's important to gloss over them as thought experiments (that's why I am here), but shooting techniques are the most important because those are actual hard skills that can be transferred to any situation.
Training shooting techniques it's very important too, great for accuracy, and speed on the flat range. Gunfights however it's a completely different thing where more aspects such as your experience, previous scenario training, mental strength, ability to work under stress, fast decision making, tactics, and environment can play a crucial role.
@@bzacademy-poland It's hard to find good courses about these topics.
I know, if you are in Europe, you may try to visit us.
Everyone knows a slide cancel into dolphin dive is the best way to handle this scenario!
Too old for that combo:) I'd break my spine if I did that:)
Duh
Silent full length slow motion horizontal leap 😂
right after doing a wall hack to see the bad guy
I discovered ‘pre-firing’ back in the days of playing the original call of duty games 15 years or so ago. That’s where with a full auto weapon you begin firing into the suspected corner just before you enter, if done perfectly it would leave almost zero time for them to react and would die instantly lol. It became so effective and infamous the players hiding in corners would hate on you and call you a cheater lol
“Pro tip, hit the breaker then say “Bravo Dad going dark” then put the night vision goggles on.” - Sun Tzu Art of CQC
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“Hold on, let me get naked first!” will definitely strike some fear into them
I'm glad you did the blind fire technique, I didn't think anyone would try it out because of the naysayers who would say you need to confirm, obviously this would be done if you knew for a fact the guy was alone and holding that corner. If one suspected on site civilians, hostages or family members as a possibility, then you simply wouldn't do it.
Correct. We showed this option, as it's a safe option once we have met the condition you mention in your comment. This technique is used often to clear the trenches, and buildings on the battlefield, where you do not expect any friendlies.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems collateral damage
Ive seen this done with alot of sim munitions training, I can imagine live fire being even more effective.
My comments are in the context of home defense.
Since you used the #HomeDefense tag, I would recommend against blind firing in nearly every situation. You are responsible for every bullet, and if your stray ends up on another structure (especially if it hits someone else), you may be effed.
Don't blind fire. You don't know what you're shooting at ... could be a 20lb propane cylinder there ...
It is often hard to be sure that the perpetrator doesn’t have a hostage with them as a shield or to know what is behind the wall behind the perpetrator. Shooting blind is highly risky in most scenarios. I was waiting for you to throw something into the room to draw the perpetrators attention to that moving object and give you time to “slice the pie” and get off a shot and then retreat behind cover to assess the effectiveness of that first shot. Or, depending on the circumstances, you can just go all in and keep shooting and hope to disable the perpetrator before they can land a shot on you.
Thorough demonstration. Only positive criticism, maybe use lapel mics because the room echos, and label each attempt for future reference.
I agree with the sound. It could be better. We are not experts in recordings and sound, but for sure will definitely try to improve it in the future.
@@bzacademy-polandEven cheap Bluetooth wireless lapel mics would be better
The funny thing is we had them with us, and they were on during the recording on other videos about CQB earlier that day. Not sure why we did not put them on for this video. I can only apologies.
What about the slow-motion diving technique? This works best with guns akimbo.
Great minds think alike.
You have to take advantage of the s by combat rolling into the room!
I like how after each scenario, you said in this case. A lot is situationally dependent.
Well, the situational dependency is quite situationally dependent to be fair.
Correct. We understand, that the fact that I succeeded in one case does not mean that I take it for granted, and when I use it for the second time I'll be also successful. Too many variables, each situation is different and may produce different outcomes.
If you’re in your home you should be the one setting up the ambush
Maybe
The scenario I see is: You are coming home from work or something, your family is already home, and you see that your home was broken into and so you have to get into there to save your family.
@@rabidskylark2065 It is one of the many possible scenarios, sure. In this video, we focused more on the technical, and tactical aspects of this specific situation - I got him cornered, he knows I'm coming, I have to go through that room.
@@bzacademy-poland Yeah, I know. I was just trying to show the commenter that it's not always possible to set up an ambush depending on the circumstances.
@@rabidskylark2065 Correct
Yes, all fights/battles are determined by the manipulation of speed, surprise, & ferocity. By coming in low you know in advance to shoot high .. while the other person is still focused on shooting high which gives you an advantage. Or even throwing something to distract them.
Agree on that. Good point.
Actually wiped a team on R6 siege by using this very philosophy, I was defender on the airplane map, they were breaching, I popped a smoke and went prone inside it, they all walked right over into my spiderweb and I knifed their legs.
Had I read more than the first few comments before I wrote I'd have seen your response. Yes, the gist of my response, completely.
Interesting video. Fun to see how some of these principals apply to tac-shooters like Counter Strike or Valorant:
For example, in the first scenario of slicing the pie, in game we have a term called "angle disadvantage", in which whoever is closer to the angle will be visible to the opponent first, thus increasing the odds of losing the fight. For this reason, you dont slow peek/slice the pie of angles in which the enemy could be further away.
This leads into the 2nd scenario, which we would call wide peeking/ swinging the angle. If you know an enemy has the angle advantage, it can sometimes work to get as close to the corner as possible and full sprint out, thus throwing off their crosshair placement as you are moving away from the corner relatively faster. Of course it doesn't always work, but if the enemy is expecting you to slow peek it might catch them by surprise.
The third scenario is what we would call a crouch peek. It takes the same principle of the wide peek to throw off the crosshair placement of the enemy by peeking out much lower than what they expect. Only drawback is you are kind of committed to the fight, as crouching hinders your movement slightly.
In the last example, we dont really have anything comparable in tac-shooters, as its just not a mechanic in the game to blind-fire around corners. The closest thing we would have is "spamming" in which you shoot through thin surfaces blindly, or perhaps "pre-firing" in which you basically shoot as soon as you know your crosshair will be around the corner, regardless of target confirmation.
Angle disadvantage is caused by the fact that the character models in games have their rifles tight in their shoulder pocket no matter what they do, whereas their elbows and legs extend past their guns to the left and right. "Real" humans will lean, switch shoulders, and tuck their stock into their bicep, or even hold it outside their bicep, so that ideally the first thing the enemy sees is your muzzle.
Both the wide peek and the crouch peak are exploiting the reactionary gap between where your opponent expects you to be and where you actually are.
Perhaps the more "gamey" equivalent to the blindfire technique is grenades/flashbangs, which can be thrown around corners, and are much easier for a video game character to get their hands on than a real person.
as a gamer ı agree with you, well explained
The whole video is great but the reality check was just perfect. I would add that if it’s a thin wall I would shoot through it. Obviously the wall in the video is not penetrable but all the walls in my house are. I know if I shoot the wall over my stove the rounds will pass through my bedroom closet and shower. If I shoot just to the right my bedroom door frame the rounds will also pass behind the bathroom doorway. No one is going to have a tactical advantage in my own home.
Thank you for your comment. Shooting trough the wall is a possibility, but it depends on the wall. Here in Poland most of the interior walls are build from bricks, or other hard concrete type materials. In my home walls are as thick as the ones on the video, so no way I can do it, but if your environment allows it and you feel comfortable about it it's an option.
It's physically possible to shoot through walls, but in the moment, when you know there's an armed intruder in your home in another room with a gun of his own, and adrenaline is pumping through your body... you might not have the time or mental faculties to think/confirm about where the bullet will go if you miss, the bullet deviates, or if they guy moves. Something to consider. That, and handgun rounds are horrible fight stoppers, I can easily see a guy waste more than half his mag of 9mm trying to guestimate shots, and then have a few shots left to actually hit the attacker with.
Frag out
The right answer right here 😂
the mischievous m67
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And then your house is fucked lol
You can always just yell it and throw something heavy to scare/distract and go in at the same time
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i think seeing first person view of what each method looks like would help too
Good idea. We will add it for sure on the next production.
I predict if you keep making videos like this you will get to 10 000 subscribers soon.
I appreciate your support. That is the plan. We have plenty of One Man CQB Content recorded and will upload 2-3 videos per week.
This video made me subscribe.
Gear and split times means nothing without tactics.
Happy to see elevation changes and blind corner shots when the target has already been identified.
Shooting through drywall is also an option but remember that works both ways.
Agree on the tactics. Flat range target practice got not much in common with a gunfight in my opinion. It helps of course with the fundamentals of shooting, but when it comes to the fight much more variables need to be taken into account.
There is actually a great video of russian military storm trooper explaining this kind of situation. In the video the trooper explains that, you should when clearing a room corner move like you did in "slicing the pie" horizontally, peaking to see the target, not too much just enough to notice where the target is. Then you would fire with "zero exposure">peak again with "slicing the pie" and fire and if the target is still not down you would level change and fire again.
What is the name of the video?
Another variant is extremely short peekaboo slicing. Where you just rapidly move your head and return back to safety before enemy can react. Then depending on situation either zero exposure at close uncovered target is possible, but IMHO changing elevation is more universal in winning corners at various distances against opponents in cover.
You do not always have short corner, sometimes you have whole corridor or hall.
@@nickst2797 Saw it on telegram but as yourself, couldn't find it anywhere.
Luckily i saved it, so i uploaded it for anybody interested in this topic, also i might add to BZ academy, great video, i didn't give enough credit!
Its called blind fire, but yeah, a lot of the gun fights in war are like that, you rapidly just snap your head into the corner very slightly just enough to notice A person and then just blind fire at him.
It's a gamble with bad odds in the end as the one " defending " always has the advantage if he knows you're coming, my first thought seeing the thumbnail was that the guy defending the corner would be the most likely to use the elevation change to throw off your attack, and you can't just go paper rock scissor on every corner. Best thing to do imo is to get in cover where you have a good view on the exits, then it's a waiting game until the intruder decides to gtfo because he's stuck
Yes, it's a gamble, and the results are unpredictable. However, we believe that training and testing help bring the odds in your favour. In the scenario you are talking about, I see two skilled guys fighting for the corner. We assume that the skilled guy clears the corner, and a regular perpetrator who invaded your house hides in the corner. I don't think that they have trained much in this subject. Getting into the cover and waiting is the best thing to do, and we talk about it at the very beginning of the video, but if we do that there would be a very boring video to watch. Stay safe.
CSGO tip- you will have peek advantage if you clear the corner from a wider angle than the offender.
Correct, but in this particular set up it was not possible to take an advantage of that.
Love the experimenting, more is better! Makes you think about always having a small drone on you and it's applications...
Yes, drones are being used more often recently not only in the battlefields but also by LE.
You missed one option. The call of duty slide. Gets me every time. Just sprint towards the doorway and start a horizontal slide right before entering while you begin blasting away into the corner. 🤣
Too old for that:)
You guys forgot to demonstrate the "Quackbang" technique. For some reason I believe this tactic would work 90% of the time !
What is the techniques you call "Quickbang"? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the terminology. Is it when you pop out, place a few shoots and hide back?
yeah Im curious as to what that technique is too
Nice demostration...
Glad you liked it
If I were to ever be in some sort of firefight like this, however unlikely it would be, I would use a mirror to check around walls and under doors! I want to see this method tested!
In this case it was known where the assailant is located, so no need to use the mirror. Anyway do you always carry mirror with you?
@@bzacademy-poland For sure, not. But maybe it would be a good idea to keep a mirror with your guns just in case! Unless of course that only causes more problems?
go ahead. try it. try using a mirror around a corner and see how fast you can react
@@kballs94 why do you sound hostile?
To be honest I never tried using a mirror to check the corner, but only by thinking about it I can already see some issues with hand switching problem (left/right corner). But it's a good subject to actually try how it works.
Thank you, I need to check out your channel more, this is awesome.
Glad you enjoy it!
Definitely gonna 'one hand reach' around the corner, and fire without actually seeing
Happens in war where you dont expect any civillians all the time, most gun fights are like that.
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Witam, dziękujemy. Chciaż kanał istnieje już dlugo, to nigdy nie skupialiśmy się na nim. Bardziej nas interesowały nasze szkolenia w realu. Ostatnio wpadliśmy na pomysł, aby się wiedzą podzielić z bardzo dobrym sygnałem zwrotnym od widzów. Także motywacja jest i na pewno będziemy wrzucać materiał. Poprawimy też kość, bo dźwięk nie wyszedł tu najlepiej. Pozdrawiam
@@bzacademy-poland Super, dzielenie się wiedzą na YT napewno się zwróci z nawiązką w myśl zasady "karma is a bitch" :) - żart. Pozdrawiam z Trójmiasta
FANTASTIC VIDEO!!
Thank you! Cheers!
In the end, if you know the threat is behind a corner- the less your body is exposed the better
Great breakdown, love the science of it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you. This will help me to improve in playing James Bond games.
try zero exposure:):)
In the 3rd response the model appears to be one of doing the unexpected (changing height) - anticipating (the others position - high, low) - acting (shooting). This response was successful and can be fast. It is successful because it employs an action which slows the others reaction by necessitating a correction (change of height). It is fast because it is leading action out front of reaction (anticipation). If in leaning from the crouched position the hands are high anticipating a standing corner guy but the discovery is that he is crouching aiming high both persons must engage in correction. I believe at that point the advantage may be lost and both engage in a burst ( reaction speed) to first shots and accuracy/caliber/type of firearm/lighting for either guy/other factors that may slow reaction or put off aim (light burst)/training,commitment, armor etc.
Thanks for doing this experiment which may challenge many truisms and show the difficulty in reality and why better doctrine may prevail over some established truisms.
Very good comment. Thank you for that. If you look closely at second attempt (Running into the room), when I run into the room I was expecting the corner guy to be standing, and automatically I took the shot as soon as I passed the corner. Unfortunately for me he decided to go lower, and lowered his posture. As a matter of fact my shot was the first one, and landed where his upper chest/neck would be if he was standing. (like on the first go). Then I adjusted the high, but it was too late as I got hit.
@bzacademy-poland yes exactly. It would be interesting to try the run with a mind set of ' not knowing' where the other is high or low and perhaps a second after rolling in an unfamiliar nonesense object. Pick something up T the dollor store destroy it or a toilet tank floating ball disfigured so it's unrecognizable. The mind is being led to identify 'what is that' sllows reaction. The mind unless the most disciplined like a dog cannot let go of identifying even if it eventually decides, 'it's nonesense'. Again attacking defender must unhook from expectations/anticipstion of his ploy, that it will have x effect.
Love the work you do. You have earned my subscription.
Thank you
Interesting. Thank you. If I didn’t know if he was in that room I would expose less of myself.
Me neither
I remember playing airsoft and someone tried to flank me in a very close quarters spot. I have been conditioned to react by immediately dumping an entire magazine into any flankers. The flanker himself was not ready for the barrage of bullets (BBs) that stopped him in his tracks. He was too busy telling me he was "hit" than try to shoot back.
Lesson I learned:
1. Surprise is always a good thing to have on your side
2. Overwhelm the aggressor to the point they are the victim
3. Always strive to be a highly observant person in all your senses (hearing, sight, smell etc.). You will gain great awareness during times of relaxation and times of high stress.
We may try it next time, and see what the results are going to be.
This channel is awesome.
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What a great video, thank you.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Very good demonstrations 👏
Glad you liked it!
These are great things to think about. In a real situation like this, either one is about to die or be seriously injured, so the adrenaline is also a factor. Your enemy might even think of the same exact things. I think you must be the one to causing a reaction rather than being the one who needs to react in this situation.
Correct, but still not all the options worked in my favor.
what boots is the guy in black wearing? nice video btw
To mitigate the blind-fire issue from zero exposure, you could just peek the corner real quick.
If done quick enough both of you will see each other but not have enough time to shoot, and exposing yourself just enough to see is a much smaller target than exposing enough to see + shoot.
Sure, but why would I do that in this particular scenario where a the beginning we agreed that we know that the threat is in the corner? It would be good to discover unknown area when we don't know what is in the corners.
i heared that soviet times kgb specnaz tactics is to look to a corner very fast from lower 1/3 of height(90% of people after a corner are aiming in a chest). and then they shoot without aiming from corner and its working more or less good, sometimes😂
Seems obvious to only engage the hand around the corner (not the body), no?
That would only work if you had no risk of collateral damage in that direction and you already knew that you wanted to kill whatever is in that corner without looking at it first to make sure... that being said, there is a good chance that you wouldn't kill them instantly with a handgun without aiming, so they would probably shoot back at you either in the hand or through the corner, so it would be a messy gunfight at best. At worse, you just killed your neighbor or your friend accidentally because you weren't sure of your target and what is beyond it, or you miss the bad guy and they shoot you through the corner because they know where you are standing because your arm is visible.
The move at 6min is what came to my mind first. If you know he’s there and he’s is a solo threat with clear background.
What about misdirection? Toss something into the room and then immediately employ zero-exposure?
Possible solution, we will try to test it next time, and see how it works.
I have a question: If the bad guy in the corner hears you coming and moves slightly away from the corner, wouldn't you miss him, giving him the upper hand in returning fire on you if you do not identify exactly where he is first?
Sure that may happen. However in most of the cases we try to get close to the corner, so we may see him moving. CQB is really unpredictable, and many things may happen.
Good video.To the point. Keep them coming. You earned another subscriber.
Thanks for the sub!
from the defender perspective is it viable to "pre-fire" ahead of time?
This is an interesting concept, and we will try it soon.
Great video regarding tactics.
Glad it was helpful!
What i've learned from video games, is that the farther away you are from a corner, the easier it is to see an enemy without them seeing you. But this only happens with extended body parts like arms or legs.
You see. You can learn from video games too. This is correct, the longer distance from the cover/corner you have the better field of view you have, and more time and space for reaction. What was that, COD?
@bzacademy-poland the game is called CSGO or CS2, but yeah i do think you can learn import skills from games wether you realize it or not.
Its very hard to precisely predict this kind of situations where 1. bad guy might have a 1second advantage and he gets an iniciative or the fact he will move so the "full covered" tactic might make you not full covered. Also depents of width of the wall between you. Dobry film Panowie.
Agree, the situation is very dangerous, and unpredictable.
You could also use a psychological method. By trying to talk him out of the situation but half way through your sentence lean out and do the business. By talking to him even though he is still very much alert to the situation you are taking some of his focus away from the situation by conversing with him and so 30-40% of his focus is on your voice. As soon as you stop talking then his focus is back to 100% but it is least expected for you to do the business if you do it before finishing your sentence 😉
Note: Of course talking to him also puts you at risk too since he can gauge how close you are and where you are positioned by the sound of your voice and he may not be at all interested in what you have to say and so it has pros and cons. So it's very much down to personal preference and you don't want to talk too long giving him the chance to gauge where you're positioned and decide to do the business to you before you finish your sentence. That would be a complete flip of the script lol
Good point here, but the assumption of the video was to try four tactics to see what result we can get. Next time we will also try to do the talking bit. Thanks for the comment.
@bzacademy-poland I didn't expect a response but thank you for the reply, it's much appreciated and keep the the good videos. I always enjoy watching this type of content. 😇👍
@bzacademy-poland I'm not sure how you will be able to test it since he will know what the tactic is. Of course, it still may work but it will not be as effective as it would be in a real life situation against someone who is unaware of that tactic. If you try this method for the purpose of a video, he will know that as soon as you start talking you are getting ready to pop out and do the business, so he will probably be super focused lol. Would be fun to see though.
No worry, I'll make sure he's not aware. I have my ways:)
@@bzacademy-poland Haha. Can't wait to see it 😁
Good video. One of the things I was hoping to see you try was skipping rounds either off the corner or the floor to see if you could disorient him and get in there. Less safe than just blind firing, but in a couple of your attempts both of you seemed to recoil pretty hard for fear of getting shot so it'd be interesting to see if that'd change anything in your favor.
Blind fire is probably underrated but I'd guess that's because most this info comes from vets worried about friendlies in an urban war context, just not worth the risk of catching a friendly bullet because privatefaggot got spooked by your boots.
Very good comment, and idea. We will try it next time, and see how it works. Of course skipping rounds may not be good for every environment, such as houses built from woods etc, but here in Poland we have solid interior walls, so it may be a good idea.
Throw grenade?:)
5:54 That is correct way to me for close range shots.
Also crounch work well too.
Its bad always expose too much of body.
Or just be more defensive,call police or talk to him?
Backflips and blind fire. You win the internet. AY first name G.
Some observations:
An additional technique not tested would be the "pre-fire" where you pie the corner fairly quickly, but already firing and walking the shots into the target (not knowing the exact position/elevation of target). With real firearms, the muzzle blast and fear of being hit might be enough to keep the target from accurately returning fire.
Another thing, if you were the one in the corner, to avoid the "blind fire" technique demonstrated last, you might wait in a more open position, which might surprise an attempted "blind fire", and also might give you a slight room to retreat from an attempt to "pie the corner".
Also, there is always the possibility at an time that the person in the corner might use one of the same tactics against you to go on the offense.
In all situations, this is a very high risk attack. There is a reason the military avoids doing this whenever possible, but instead uses indirect methods to reach a defended confined space.
Very good points here. Thank you for your comment.
Many militaries try to avoid it by training against it but if you watch enough combat footage youll notice that this is one of the most used tactics to just blind fire (even if trained otherwise, natural reaction of your body not wanting to be exposed to lethal danger) when you either know for sure or even just suspect someone to be there, some militaries are even teaching this way of assaulting a room, throw a grenade, pre fire WITH blind fire both hard corners and keep walking in as you pre fire the entire room which may sound chaotic and unorganized, but if done properly and trained actually very effective and counters many other "flashy/hollywoody/cinematic" tactics.
Agree. As a matter of fact I've seen footage from Ukraine, where UA special forces were clearing trenches from Russians using only blind fire technique. On top of that there were also screaming to Russians to give up before they proceeded with blind fire giving them opportunity to survive. (not sure if they always do that if they don't record it). I've seen also this technique done by the IDF in GAZA. This technique is very controversial, but it's the safest one you can do. However in a civilian environment it may carry some consequences.
Good argument for recreational frag grenades 😂
Really though I almost wonder if falling back into a darker part of the room and "letting it breathe" would be the safest option for you especially if you know he is alone. Turn the ambusher into the ambushee
Nice and interesting set of movies. Thx for this. Makes me also even more interested into the C.A.R. System. BZ Home defence course... yes, maybe 2026... already planed another course at ESA next year. ;-)
Let us know when you free. Take care
"Frag out!!"😂
Great video, thank you
Glad you liked it!
Bro you must run af, slide cancel ,jump and shoot
Great video
Thanks for the visit
Well, I started with that’s gonna suck without grenades. Then I picked up on “in your house” and went with elevation change. Then I saw blind shot and now I’m back to grenades. Kidding aside really good stuff.
Thank you for watching.
I can't see where this would actually be applied except in a combat environment and situation. In that case I'm keeping distance, dumping the mag into that corner splattering tiles in the opponents face, getting the angle and dispatching the threat.
Knowing his position vs clearing without knowing who is where makes all the difference here.
Yes. It changes completely the game.
Nice one B, you taught me Krav in the UK Bro 👍
Good to hear!
Can tactical flashlight make a difference?
The guy is starting at the corner. In theory intense light can partially blind him for a moment, that may be enough.
I really like this experimental approach. The only concern is the opponent is "scripted" to wait in the corner. I wonder how the situation changes if he is allowed/motivated to make move as well. It's reasonable to expect that he will want to run/attack/whatever, not just stay in the corner and wait for cops.
Thank you for your comment. Flashlight can be useful of course, OC Spray, and other things. We may try it on the other tests. On this video we covered what we covered. Yes opponent was scripted to stay there, but he changed the elevation which caused my second attempt to engage to fail if you look closely.
Also, could you show us one where you use a Flash Bang? ( Not that everyone has a Flash Bang at the ready, improvise! ) Toss it right in front of him with your eyes closed, ears covered for the second. With his wide open waiting for you, off guard he would not be able to see, or hear for that matter for more than enough time to take care of business. Or as noted by other comments a distraction of some sort.
A home invasion scenario or situation can happen or change so fast, and no two are ever the same. You have to be ready for anything. Train. Practice. Above all stay aware.
We could do this, but I don't believe that will bring any benefit to the subject, as we are talking about civilian home defence scenario. If you have one of course sure it may give you an advantage.
What pants are you wearing and where can I get them?
Thanks
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Thanks!
I thought they would test the hyper-peek method.
If you need info on an unknown threat potential. It can also be followed up by more precise blind fire.
We did not test this one, but for sure we will perform the test again, as there are many good ideas in the comments we would like to try, so subscribe, so you won't miss it:)
Elevation change (crouching) is risky though, since it limits your movement and exposes your head to shots fired from a lowering gun (bad guy after being hit).
All CQB is very risky, especially if you do it on your own. To minimize the risk of getting hit I did it dynamically, and got back to cover quickly after taking the threat down. This part in this particular case was successful, but it does not mean it will be successful always.
I think as a civilian, the best less risky situation would be to lock down the room and wait for police. As police use a flash bang or stinger. Try to do everything to reduce risk
Yes correct, and I talk about it at the very beginning of this video. However in the scenario when you wait for the cops to arrive, being armed, and having your family being assaulted in the other part of the house, you may have to make a decision to get involved.
Good video
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Flash-bang for the win.
should always carry a lil paracord "monkeys fist" with a small lanyard handle that you can tug on to unravel into ~1 meter length of rope because if you swing that around the corner you can essentially make contact without ever exposing yourself or at the very least use it to create a distraction. another method i'd incorporate knowing the guy was in the corner waiting like that is to simply take a low stance and get your pistol hand to about "center mass" for a crouch and then just poke your pistol around the corner and squeeze off 2-3 rounds only ever exposing your gun and hand.
This. I'm surprised they didn't try throwing anything as a distraction
Not exposing your head, ever, is the name of the game with this scenario sir. Be safe out there.
Elevation chg, fire 7or 8!fast accurate ones with only barrel and little bit of fingers exposed is what works.
Would have liked to see elevation change pushed to extremities, basically diving or sliding on the floor and pushing the corner at the same time
Too much video games. I'm too old for that:)
I like your channel.
I appreciate that!
What replica weapons are you stimulating with? Airsoft? Gel Balls?
Glock 17/19T designated for FX Simunition
Grenade. Round the corner. Bosch. Threat neutralised. Lol
Loudly say “fck this im making tea!”
(Right before crouch/insert muzzle around corner/magdump)
Ive seen a couple of people do the running on force on force and not get hit because they hit the actor really fast and a lot of times (I did it once without getting hit) so I guess that it depends on whether you hit the shots or not.
The actor got hit once out of 3 or 4 shots fired
In this particular scenario if you watch closely, I fired first , but I missed due to threat lowering the level. If he stayed standing as on the first go, that techniques would work on my favor. This shows, how dangerous, and unpredictable CQB is.
I get what ur doin in this training scenario but when it comes to this kind of head to head stand off it will be 50/50 .. these odds are not good so u would need some thing to effect the odds in ur favor slitly enuff that u can get the first shot.. iv plaid out this very thing and used a small item to throw across the room the heavier the better with a high percentage it took ops attention for that split second i needed to place rounds on target..great video thanks cheers mate✨️👍
I've always thought about something similar to what you're saying about the item/object thrown across/middle of room.. sounds like a good idea however.... maybe using rounds in place of just throwing an object you find is a better idea???
Sounds like a plan. We will try next time for sure.
sounds good. We have not tried this distracting tactic, but it's definitely worth trying.
Yes, throw something, preferably something that looks like a hand grenade.
Ideally you want the first shot, agreed, but if you understand ballistics, you know that unless you hit the CNS (and a good hit in the CNS) the first shot won't stop him, and more than likely both of you will have a trade window of lethal shots.
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Face as close to the wall and use third person to peek at your enemies and do the peek and weave back and forts. If the enemy pushes you your options are slide jump the hell out of there or bunny hop while shooting.
I was waiting for that little Saw puppet to roll through on his creepy tricycle.
You should see the rest of the basement of this facility:) Ideal for next SAW movie stage:)
lol in airsoft I try prefiring when I start shooting into the corner before I see the threat and just keep leading the "bullets" into the enemy. You should try that too.
An interesting concept worth trying for sure.
@@bzacademy-poland maybe for fun experimentation but I am pretty sure any police force will not teach that
Does that mean a handgun is better for home defence than a rifle or shotgun?
No. Not at all. A long gun is almost always better than a pistol for shooting, barring certain specific situations. But if all you have is a pistol, then make it work. A long gun v pistol in this situation would be even better as you could poke the barrel around the corner and blast from cover better than a pistol
Just remember, you can shoot through most interior walls
Thank you for your comment. Depends on where you are. In the US, and Canada probably most of the interior walls are drywall/wood mixture. Here in Poland, we have bricks and aerated concrete blocks. Would be good to test those for penetration, and see the results.
Even that being the case. Based on DGU statistics, LEOKA statistics and human behavior force science studies people do not shoot through walls intentionally in gunfights. It literally never happens. And there’s a good reason people don’t do it.
@@writingonthewalls9052 correct, never seen it on body cams, or CCTV footage from the gunfight. People shoot if they can see what they are shooting at. Even the completely untrained perpetrators.
@@bzacademy-poland there's footage of idf being shot through walls
@@PrussianPushma have not seen this one. Do you have a link?
Would have been interesting to see point of view of each person and this camera angel at the same time to get a better understanding of when the threat is found.
You can not really use low elevation because if you are not 100% sure the only treat is in that corner you are exposing yourself from other places. Also its harder to fall back.
Other alternatives and crazy ideas could possibly be:
* a distraction
* gas
* backing up even more to get a better view
* shooting through the wall
* wait him out (in this case if he was for an example a burglar and you have called the police time is on your side and his option is only to try escape or stay until police come and gets arrested)
* you can lure him. It will not work in this example but maybe in real life. "just leave my home I will not shoot"
* some sort of shield could possibly be used
* getting help from one more person and one gives covering fire at the wall/ corner and the other moves forward and attack
* using a mirror
* Just lean in fast and shoot directly and then back directly. everything in 1-2 second mission including shooting and falling back
Interesting ideas.
What about doing the zero exposure technique with one of those blinding pulse lights on your weapon? @@bzacademy-poland
*How to deal with campers*
Grenade?
Sure you want to deploy a grenade in your own home, assuming that you have one:)
@@bzacademy-poland Well... you know, if I had one. (sarcasm x-) )
Other doing it wider, and going tight against the opposite wall and getting first shoot. I see no other way.
@@elhnston6589did you not see method 4?
@@dantauche7917 It was just a first thought without watching.
Have to remember this to crouch really low weapon ready when approaching a corner
You mean in low ready?
enemy in the corner? toss a flash in 😂
As a pro r6 siege player: you first pie the room to figure out where the enemy is but you need to be quick. If you already know their location you can skip this step and prefire with or without exposure. After locating enemy back off and peek again but this time from a different angle/elevation and while in the process of doing this you should be firing continually in order to stop them from peeking you. Who dares wins.
Just want to add that Siege has a peeker advantage in that the defender receives a small data latency in viewing the peeker.
@jonkoxl2069 this tactic literally works in every game, does not matter if it's a realistic game or not. Also in reallife airsoft and paintball.
The first technique is wromg, he should have the finger on the triger, and in high redy
A finger on the trigger for sure will speed up the response, but I can't entirely agree with High Ready. High Ready is slower to engage (tested it many times with a timer), but most importantly, it disturbs the view of what is below. If the attacker was low (kneeling, sitting on something, or in low squat position, or hiding behind the furniture) you would probably not even see him, as your pistol, and hands would block the field of view.
USPSA shooters train both with finger on the trigger and without, the difference is measured to 0.05th of a second. If you think that matters that's up to you.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems The closer the gun fight is the more lower numbers matter and youre talking about shooters that train for a long time and have drilled muscle memory, most people that buy a gun just go to the range every now and then and not many even dry practice at home or anything so these numbers will go up and matter even more at that range.
@@mike8386 I don't disagree about the lower numbers mattering the closer the fight is, but lets look at the bigger picture. 99.9% of people doing this stuff in real life, including police and SWAT, will be doing it while not knowing for sure if the corner has a threat or a civilian, a home invader or a family/friend. That finger off the trigger can prevent you from popping one off unintentionally in a high stress situation. And honestly, if people are researching this kinda stuff thinking they'll need it someday, then they really should train so that they can employ safety measures without hindering their shooting.
@UrbanDefenseSystems Agreed.
omni-movement for the win
Good but not fair , you know the guy is in that corner.
I would live to see the other person switch up and move top the opposite corner and then you convince you tactically if you can defeat him/her.
Sure, you claim it's not fair, but he smoked me twice.The result was 2:2, so draw. We discuss the situation you describe in the video which just been uploaded. ruclips.net/video/Pvx6kNOBP5c/видео.html
Grenade 🙌🏻
Next time:)
I know it’s a video game and I’m gonna get shit for it, but it’s to some degree a simulation of real life. Anyway, in first person shooter games such as call of duty, by far the most effective way to defeat someone waiting around the corner with gun pointed at the entrance was to “pre-fire” , a now widely recognized term in the fps gaming world where you would begin aiming and firing at the suspected corner with a high rate of fire full auto weapon a split second just before/as you entered the room. This tactic became infamously effective and players hiding in corners waiting to ambush would become upset and even consider it cheating to some degree lol.
The technique you suggest it's for sure worth trying, and see how it works in the scenario. We will do more tests soon. Thank you for the comment.