Came here to say this. If it's your home, you'll know what the construction material is. What I've seen overseas (I'm in the USA) is most are concrete or brick. Here in the USA it would be rare to see interior walls being anything but wood and drywall. Most pistols will zip right on through. With a rifle, you'd hit your neighbor nextdoor.
That's because tactics are very dynamic and situational, that it's almost impossible to train. You can spend your entire life training to work around corners/walls, but the only gunfight you get in (if you ever do) will be between two cars. There's nothing wrong with tactics, it's important to gloss over them as thought experiments (that's why I am here), but shooting techniques are the most important because those are actual hard skills that can be transferred to any situation.
Training shooting techniques it's very important too, great for accuracy, and speed on the flat range. Gunfights however it's a completely different thing where more aspects such as your experience, previous scenario training, mental strength, ability to work under stress, fast decision making, tactics, and environment can play a crucial role.
I discovered ‘pre-firing’ back in the days of playing the original call of duty games 15 years or so ago. That’s where with a full auto weapon you begin firing into the suspected corner just before you enter, if done perfectly it would leave almost zero time for them to react and would die instantly lol. It became so effective and infamous the players hiding in corners would hate on you and call you a cheater lol
I'm glad you did the blind fire technique, I didn't think anyone would try it out because of the naysayers who would say you need to confirm, obviously this would be done if you knew for a fact the guy was alone and holding that corner. If one suspected on site civilians, hostages or family members as a possibility, then you simply wouldn't do it.
Correct. We showed this option, as it's a safe option once we have met the condition you mention in your comment. This technique is used often to clear the trenches, and buildings on the battlefield, where you do not expect any friendlies.
My comments are in the context of home defense. Since you used the #HomeDefense tag, I would recommend against blind firing in nearly every situation. You are responsible for every bullet, and if your stray ends up on another structure (especially if it hits someone else), you may be effed. Don't blind fire. You don't know what you're shooting at ... could be a 20lb propane cylinder there ...
Correct. We understand, that the fact that I succeeded in one case does not mean that I take it for granted, and when I use it for the second time I'll be also successful. Too many variables, each situation is different and may produce different outcomes.
The funny thing is we had them with us, and they were on during the recording on other videos about CQB earlier that day. Not sure why we did not put them on for this video. I can only apologies.
@@bzacademy-poland it's still clear what you all were saying so no big deal but yeah, having a mic closer to each person would increase the volume of your voices in relation to the reverberation from the room making the sound clearer. Awsome video btw!
Yes, all fights/battles are determined by the manipulation of speed, surprise, & ferocity. By coming in low you know in advance to shoot high .. while the other person is still focused on shooting high which gives you an advantage. Or even throwing something to distract them.
Actually wiped a team on R6 siege by using this very philosophy, I was defender on the airplane map, they were breaching, I popped a smoke and went prone inside it, they all walked right over into my spiderweb and I knifed their legs.
It's a gamble with bad odds in the end as the one " defending " always has the advantage if he knows you're coming, my first thought seeing the thumbnail was that the guy defending the corner would be the most likely to use the elevation change to throw off your attack, and you can't just go paper rock scissor on every corner. Best thing to do imo is to get in cover where you have a good view on the exits, then it's a waiting game until the intruder decides to gtfo because he's stuck
Yes, it's a gamble, and the results are unpredictable. However, we believe that training and testing help bring the odds in your favour. In the scenario you are talking about, I see two skilled guys fighting for the corner. We assume that the skilled guy clears the corner, and a regular perpetrator who invaded your house hides in the corner. I don't think that they have trained much in this subject. Getting into the cover and waiting is the best thing to do, and we talk about it at the very beginning of the video, but if we do that there would be a very boring video to watch. Stay safe.
The scenario I see is: You are coming home from work or something, your family is already home, and you see that your home was broken into and so you have to get into there to save your family.
@@rabidskylark2065 It is one of the many possible scenarios, sure. In this video, we focused more on the technical, and tactical aspects of this specific situation - I got him cornered, he knows I'm coming, I have to go through that room.
@@bzacademy-poland Yeah, I know. I was just trying to show the commenter that it's not always possible to set up an ambush depending on the circumstances.
Interesting video. Fun to see how some of these principals apply to tac-shooters like Counter Strike or Valorant: For example, in the first scenario of slicing the pie, in game we have a term called "angle disadvantage", in which whoever is closer to the angle will be visible to the opponent first, thus increasing the odds of losing the fight. For this reason, you dont slow peek/slice the pie of angles in which the enemy could be further away. This leads into the 2nd scenario, which we would call wide peeking/ swinging the angle. If you know an enemy has the angle advantage, it can sometimes work to get as close to the corner as possible and full sprint out, thus throwing off their crosshair placement as you are moving away from the corner relatively faster. Of course it doesn't always work, but if the enemy is expecting you to slow peek it might catch them by surprise. The third scenario is what we would call a crouch peek. It takes the same principle of the wide peek to throw off the crosshair placement of the enemy by peeking out much lower than what they expect. Only drawback is you are kind of committed to the fight, as crouching hinders your movement slightly. In the last example, we dont really have anything comparable in tac-shooters, as its just not a mechanic in the game to blind-fire around corners. The closest thing we would have is "spamming" in which you shoot through thin surfaces blindly, or perhaps "pre-firing" in which you basically shoot as soon as you know your crosshair will be around the corner, regardless of target confirmation.
Angle disadvantage is caused by the fact that the character models in games have their rifles tight in their shoulder pocket no matter what they do, whereas their elbows and legs extend past their guns to the left and right. "Real" humans will lean, switch shoulders, and tuck their stock into their bicep, or even hold it outside their bicep, so that ideally the first thing the enemy sees is your muzzle. Both the wide peek and the crouch peak are exploiting the reactionary gap between where your opponent expects you to be and where you actually are. Perhaps the more "gamey" equivalent to the blindfire technique is grenades/flashbangs, which can be thrown around corners, and are much easier for a video game character to get their hands on than a real person.
another thing that separates reality and tactical shooters is that in the 2nd scenario you mentioned, the mechanics of actually moving your weapon and tracking the enemy are completely different and is by far easier and faster in real life. In the vast majority if not all games, locomotion or the movement of the legs and body to move yourself forward is not simulated fully, however in real life it happens naturally and it can be anticipated. That is why leading targets and shooting them where they will be is easier, not to mention that in games, you effectively do not have a wrist, you use your entire arm. In real life you can use your arm, elbow and wrist as well as fingers individually or combined to manipulate and turn or position the gun, so you simply do not have the problem of a crosshair when you can simply move the gun sideways without turning your bodyy or your entire stiff arm but instead just moving the gun in your arms irrespective of where your head is looking or body is positioned. Games like insurgency do at least allow you to have a feeling for how it would look and feel like although i'm not sure if it genuinely simulates it.
The whole video is great but the reality check was just perfect. I would add that if it’s a thin wall I would shoot through it. Obviously the wall in the video is not penetrable but all the walls in my house are. I know if I shoot the wall over my stove the rounds will pass through my bedroom closet and shower. If I shoot just to the right my bedroom door frame the rounds will also pass behind the bathroom doorway. No one is going to have a tactical advantage in my own home.
Thank you for your comment. Shooting trough the wall is a possibility, but it depends on the wall. Here in Poland most of the interior walls are build from bricks, or other hard concrete type materials. In my home walls are as thick as the ones on the video, so no way I can do it, but if your environment allows it and you feel comfortable about it it's an option.
It's physically possible to shoot through walls, but in the moment, when you know there's an armed intruder in your home in another room with a gun of his own, and adrenaline is pumping through your body... you might not have the time or mental faculties to think/confirm about where the bullet will go if you miss, the bullet deviates, or if they guy moves. Something to consider. That, and handgun rounds are horrible fight stoppers, I can easily see a guy waste more than half his mag of 9mm trying to guestimate shots, and then have a few shots left to actually hit the attacker with.
You need to know exactly where they are at to shoot through cover. You will be very unlikely to have this information. Blasting through walls is almost always a bad idea, but it's an option. Either way, though, if you're advancing on them, they DO have an advantage, even in your home.
Gear and split times means nothing without tactics. Happy to see elevation changes and blind corner shots when the target has already been identified. Shooting through drywall is also an option but remember that works both ways.
Agree on the tactics. Flat range target practice got not much in common with a gunfight in my opinion. It helps of course with the fundamentals of shooting, but when it comes to the fight much more variables need to be taken into account.
japierdole jaki świetny materiał. Teoria sprawdzona w praktyce, nawijacie po angielsku lepiej niż nasz prezydent. Bardzo mi sie podobało, na święta obejrzę z całą rodziną, pozdro
There is actually a great video of russian military storm trooper explaining this kind of situation. In the video the trooper explains that, you should when clearing a room corner move like you did in "slicing the pie" horizontally, peaking to see the target, not too much just enough to notice where the target is. Then you would fire with "zero exposure">peak again with "slicing the pie" and fire and if the target is still not down you would level change and fire again.
Another variant is extremely short peekaboo slicing. Where you just rapidly move your head and return back to safety before enemy can react. Then depending on situation either zero exposure at close uncovered target is possible, but IMHO changing elevation is more universal in winning corners at various distances against opponents in cover. You do not always have short corner, sometimes you have whole corridor or hall.
@@nickst2797 Saw it on telegram but as yourself, couldn't find it anywhere. Luckily i saved it, so i uploaded it for anybody interested in this topic, also i might add to BZ academy, great video, i didn't give enough credit!
Its called blind fire, but yeah, a lot of the gun fights in war are like that, you rapidly just snap your head into the corner very slightly just enough to notice A person and then just blind fire at him.
I remember playing airsoft and someone tried to flank me in a very close quarters spot. I have been conditioned to react by immediately dumping an entire magazine into any flankers. The flanker himself was not ready for the barrage of bullets (BBs) that stopped him in his tracks. He was too busy telling me he was "hit" than try to shoot back. Lesson I learned: 1. Surprise is always a good thing to have on your side 2. Overwhelm the aggressor to the point they are the victim 3. Always strive to be a highly observant person in all your senses (hearing, sight, smell etc.). You will gain great awareness during times of relaxation and times of high stress.
The elevation change is my favorite because it gives PID and I believe it can still work with some changes in the scenario, for example: If there were some relevant unknowns about this guy in the corner.
These are great things to think about. In a real situation like this, either one is about to die or be seriously injured, so the adrenaline is also a factor. Your enemy might even think of the same exact things. I think you must be the one to causing a reaction rather than being the one who needs to react in this situation.
If I were to ever be in some sort of firefight like this, however unlikely it would be, I would use a mirror to check around walls and under doors! I want to see this method tested!
@@bzacademy-poland For sure, not. But maybe it would be a good idea to keep a mirror with your guns just in case! Unless of course that only causes more problems?
To be honest I never tried using a mirror to check the corner, but only by thinking about it I can already see some issues with hand switching problem (left/right corner). But it's a good subject to actually try how it works.
From Germany, we have cover Walls :) ok..very good work here. well explained and good conclusion at the end. what i am missing are: the keypoints for the best/safe strategy as conlusion. Go one with this good work
Watching this just confirms my thoughts that the "zero exposure" is the safest bet. A bunch of trench clearing gunfight videos that come up from Ukraine show soliders shooting into dugouts like that. Not exposing yourself, firing a bunch of rounds at a possible target or a confirmed one (they moslty deal with it by chucking a granade inside 1st, but firing a firearm does play out mosly like you show it here). So this practical showcase of different engagement scenarios is very helpful and informative.
great video, it also made me consider that sometimes your opponent doesn't go down instantly from getting hit. It really depends on where they were hit and things like adrenaline and luck. It's extremely risky. If you managed to tag the other guy without getting hit, that's great, but staying around to land more hits to ensure their incapacitation opens you to retaliatory fire, but falling back to wait for them to bleed out may give them the initiative. I don't think I would have any confidence in pulling off that sort of shootout and I'd much rather fall back entirely.
It is often hard to be sure that the perpetrator doesn’t have a hostage with them as a shield or to know what is behind the wall behind the perpetrator. Shooting blind is highly risky in most scenarios. I was waiting for you to throw something into the room to draw the perpetrators attention to that moving object and give you time to “slice the pie” and get off a shot and then retreat behind cover to assess the effectiveness of that first shot. Or, depending on the circumstances, you can just go all in and keep shooting and hope to disable the perpetrator before they can land a shot on you.
Witam, dziękujemy. Chciaż kanał istnieje już dlugo, to nigdy nie skupialiśmy się na nim. Bardziej nas interesowały nasze szkolenia w realu. Ostatnio wpadliśmy na pomysł, aby się wiedzą podzielić z bardzo dobrym sygnałem zwrotnym od widzów. Także motywacja jest i na pewno będziemy wrzucać materiał. Poprawimy też kość, bo dźwięk nie wyszedł tu najlepiej. Pozdrawiam
You could also use a psychological method. By trying to talk him out of the situation but half way through your sentence lean out and do the business. By talking to him even though he is still very much alert to the situation you are taking some of his focus away from the situation by conversing with him and so 30-40% of his focus is on your voice. As soon as you stop talking then his focus is back to 100% but it is least expected for you to do the business if you do it before finishing your sentence 😉 Note: Of course talking to him also puts you at risk too since he can gauge how close you are and where you are positioned by the sound of your voice and he may not be at all interested in what you have to say and so it has pros and cons. So it's very much down to personal preference and you don't want to talk too long giving him the chance to gauge where you're positioned and decide to do the business to you before you finish your sentence. That would be a complete flip of the script lol
Good point here, but the assumption of the video was to try four tactics to see what result we can get. Next time we will also try to do the talking bit. Thanks for the comment.
@bzacademy-poland I didn't expect a response but thank you for the reply, it's much appreciated and keep the the good videos. I always enjoy watching this type of content. 😇👍
@bzacademy-poland I'm not sure how you will be able to test it since he will know what the tactic is. Of course, it still may work but it will not be as effective as it would be in a real life situation against someone who is unaware of that tactic. If you try this method for the purpose of a video, he will know that as soon as you start talking you are getting ready to pop out and do the business, so he will probably be super focused lol. Would be fun to see though.
Hmm it depends... the problem is the ambience shadow, if the gunner can read that shadows(shadows corners reading).. . Both has a tactical winning techincs. Things are too to complicated but prepairedness do help the gunner to win the firefigth
You missed one option. The call of duty slide. Gets me every time. Just sprint towards the doorway and start a horizontal slide right before entering while you begin blasting away into the corner. 🤣
Good argument for recreational frag grenades 😂 Really though I almost wonder if falling back into a darker part of the room and "letting it breathe" would be the safest option for you especially if you know he is alone. Turn the ambusher into the ambushee
Some observations: An additional technique not tested would be the "pre-fire" where you pie the corner fairly quickly, but already firing and walking the shots into the target (not knowing the exact position/elevation of target). With real firearms, the muzzle blast and fear of being hit might be enough to keep the target from accurately returning fire. Another thing, if you were the one in the corner, to avoid the "blind fire" technique demonstrated last, you might wait in a more open position, which might surprise an attempted "blind fire", and also might give you a slight room to retreat from an attempt to "pie the corner". Also, there is always the possibility at an time that the person in the corner might use one of the same tactics against you to go on the offense. In all situations, this is a very high risk attack. There is a reason the military avoids doing this whenever possible, but instead uses indirect methods to reach a defended confined space.
Many militaries try to avoid it by training against it but if you watch enough combat footage youll notice that this is one of the most used tactics to just blind fire (even if trained otherwise, natural reaction of your body not wanting to be exposed to lethal danger) when you either know for sure or even just suspect someone to be there, some militaries are even teaching this way of assaulting a room, throw a grenade, pre fire WITH blind fire both hard corners and keep walking in as you pre fire the entire room which may sound chaotic and unorganized, but if done properly and trained actually very effective and counters many other "flashy/hollywoody/cinematic" tactics.
Agree. As a matter of fact I've seen footage from Ukraine, where UA special forces were clearing trenches from Russians using only blind fire technique. On top of that there were also screaming to Russians to give up before they proceeded with blind fire giving them opportunity to survive. (not sure if they always do that if they don't record it). I've seen also this technique done by the IDF in GAZA. This technique is very controversial, but it's the safest one you can do. However in a civilian environment it may carry some consequences.
In the 3rd response the model appears to be one of doing the unexpected (changing height) - anticipating (the others position - high, low) - acting (shooting). This response was successful and can be fast. It is successful because it employs an action which slows the others reaction by necessitating a correction (change of height). It is fast because it is leading action out front of reaction (anticipation). If in leaning from the crouched position the hands are high anticipating a standing corner guy but the discovery is that he is crouching aiming high both persons must engage in correction. I believe at that point the advantage may be lost and both engage in a burst ( reaction speed) to first shots and accuracy/caliber/type of firearm/lighting for either guy/other factors that may slow reaction or put off aim (light burst)/training,commitment, armor etc. Thanks for doing this experiment which may challenge many truisms and show the difficulty in reality and why better doctrine may prevail over some established truisms.
Very good comment. Thank you for that. If you look closely at second attempt (Running into the room), when I run into the room I was expecting the corner guy to be standing, and automatically I took the shot as soon as I passed the corner. Unfortunately for me he decided to go lower, and lowered his posture. As a matter of fact my shot was the first one, and landed where his upper chest/neck would be if he was standing. (like on the first go). Then I adjusted the high, but it was too late as I got hit.
@bzacademy-poland yes exactly. It would be interesting to try the run with a mind set of ' not knowing' where the other is high or low and perhaps a second after rolling in an unfamiliar nonesense object. Pick something up T the dollor store destroy it or a toilet tank floating ball disfigured so it's unrecognizable. The mind is being led to identify 'what is that' sllows reaction. The mind unless the most disciplined like a dog cannot let go of identifying even if it eventually decides, 'it's nonesense'. Again attacking defender must unhook from expectations/anticipstion of his ploy, that it will have x effect. Love the work you do. You have earned my subscription.
@@bzacademy-poland I think he's referencing The Fat Electrician, who knew someone who would throw a rubber duck instead of a flashbang to confuse enemies, then fire while they were confused. When he threw the duck he'd say "quackbang."
Elevation change (crouching) is risky though, since it limits your movement and exposes your head to shots fired from a lowering gun (bad guy after being hit).
All CQB is very risky, especially if you do it on your own. To minimize the risk of getting hit I did it dynamically, and got back to cover quickly after taking the threat down. This part in this particular case was successful, but it does not mean it will be successful always.
Well, I started with that’s gonna suck without grenades. Then I picked up on “in your house” and went with elevation change. Then I saw blind shot and now I’m back to grenades. Kidding aside really good stuff.
To mitigate the blind-fire issue from zero exposure, you could just peek the corner real quick. If done quick enough both of you will see each other but not have enough time to shoot, and exposing yourself just enough to see is a much smaller target than exposing enough to see + shoot.
Sure, but why would I do that in this particular scenario where a the beginning we agreed that we know that the threat is in the corner? It would be good to discover unknown area when we don't know what is in the corners.
What i've learned from video games, is that the farther away you are from a corner, the easier it is to see an enemy without them seeing you. But this only happens with extended body parts like arms or legs.
You see. You can learn from video games too. This is correct, the longer distance from the cover/corner you have the better field of view you have, and more time and space for reaction. What was that, COD?
should always carry a lil paracord "monkeys fist" with a small lanyard handle that you can tug on to unravel into ~1 meter length of rope because if you swing that around the corner you can essentially make contact without ever exposing yourself or at the very least use it to create a distraction. another method i'd incorporate knowing the guy was in the corner waiting like that is to simply take a low stance and get your pistol hand to about "center mass" for a crouch and then just poke your pistol around the corner and squeeze off 2-3 rounds only ever exposing your gun and hand.
Not exposing your head, ever, is the name of the game with this scenario sir. Be safe out there. Elevation chg, fire 7or 8!fast accurate ones with only barrel and little bit of fingers exposed is what works.
Nice and interesting set of movies. Thx for this. Makes me also even more interested into the C.A.R. System. BZ Home defence course... yes, maybe 2026... already planed another course at ESA next year. ;-)
What about camera attached on the pistol, and simultaneously displayed on cell phone ? I wounder why special ops or SWAT didn't have this. For every corner in CQB it could be so useful i think. The corner shooting systems in past suffered from miror and left become right so its really hard to haim. But with a camera, displayed on a screen attached to the chest or even on a helmet google, it sound like really easy to haim in any position with suffisent accuracy for CQB usage at least. Sound like a life saver to me
I think as a civilian, the best less risky situation would be to lock down the room and wait for police. As police use a flash bang or stinger. Try to do everything to reduce risk
Yes correct, and I talk about it at the very beginning of this video. However in the scenario when you wait for the cops to arrive, being armed, and having your family being assaulted in the other part of the house, you may have to make a decision to get involved.
i heared that soviet times kgb specnaz tactics is to look to a corner very fast from lower 1/3 of height(90% of people after a corner are aiming in a chest). and then they shoot without aiming from corner and its working more or less good, sometimes😂
Its very hard to precisely predict this kind of situations where 1. bad guy might have a 1second advantage and he gets an iniciative or the fact he will move so the "full covered" tactic might make you not full covered. Also depents of width of the wall between you. Dobry film Panowie.
I can't see where this would actually be applied except in a combat environment and situation. In that case I'm keeping distance, dumping the mag into that corner splattering tiles in the opponents face, getting the angle and dispatching the threat.
Example we discussed at the beginning of the video. Someone is in your house, and you need to get to your family located in the other part of the house. You spot the armed guy, he noticed you, and took cover. You saw him too. How likely this is going to happen who knows?
Good video. One of the things I was hoping to see you try was skipping rounds either off the corner or the floor to see if you could disorient him and get in there. Less safe than just blind firing, but in a couple of your attempts both of you seemed to recoil pretty hard for fear of getting shot so it'd be interesting to see if that'd change anything in your favor. Blind fire is probably underrated but I'd guess that's because most this info comes from vets worried about friendlies in an urban war context, just not worth the risk of catching a friendly bullet because privatefaggot got spooked by your boots.
Very good comment, and idea. We will try it next time, and see how it works. Of course skipping rounds may not be good for every environment, such as houses built from woods etc, but here in Poland we have solid interior walls, so it may be a good idea.
I have a question: If the bad guy in the corner hears you coming and moves slightly away from the corner, wouldn't you miss him, giving him the upper hand in returning fire on you if you do not identify exactly where he is first?
Sure that may happen. However in most of the cases we try to get close to the corner, so we may see him moving. CQB is really unpredictable, and many things may happen.
I thought they would test the hyper-peek method. If you need info on an unknown threat potential. It can also be followed up by more precise blind fire.
We did not test this one, but for sure we will perform the test again, as there are many good ideas in the comments we would like to try, so subscribe, so you won't miss it:)
Ive seen a couple of people do the running on force on force and not get hit because they hit the actor really fast and a lot of times (I did it once without getting hit) so I guess that it depends on whether you hit the shots or not. The actor got hit once out of 3 or 4 shots fired
In this particular scenario if you watch closely, I fired first , but I missed due to threat lowering the level. If he stayed standing as on the first go, that techniques would work on my favor. This shows, how dangerous, and unpredictable CQB is.
Also, could you show us one where you use a Flash Bang? ( Not that everyone has a Flash Bang at the ready, improvise! ) Toss it right in front of him with your eyes closed, ears covered for the second. With his wide open waiting for you, off guard he would not be able to see, or hear for that matter for more than enough time to take care of business. Or as noted by other comments a distraction of some sort. A home invasion scenario or situation can happen or change so fast, and no two are ever the same. You have to be ready for anything. Train. Practice. Above all stay aware.
We could do this, but I don't believe that will bring any benefit to the subject, as we are talking about civilian home defence scenario. If you have one of course sure it may give you an advantage.
I think we can learn a thing or two from airsoft...that might sound crazy, but think about it. Its the best force on force training we can get without severely hurting eachother...with that being said, airsofters play against other airsofters all the time and do what works to get an elimination/win the game/stay alive as long as possible...idk.
Throw grenade?:) 5:54 That is correct way to me for close range shots. Also crounch work well too. Its bad always expose too much of body. Or just be more defensive,call police or talk to him?
That would only work if you had no risk of collateral damage in that direction and you already knew that you wanted to kill whatever is in that corner without looking at it first to make sure... that being said, there is a good chance that you wouldn't kill them instantly with a handgun without aiming, so they would probably shoot back at you either in the hand or through the corner, so it would be a messy gunfight at best. At worse, you just killed your neighbor or your friend accidentally because you weren't sure of your target and what is beyond it, or you miss the bad guy and they shoot you through the corner because they know where you are standing because your arm is visible.
American here. Don't even engage in these types of scenarios unless it is immediately necessary to save people from immediate life threatening situations.
Face as close to the wall and use third person to peek at your enemies and do the peek and weave back and forts. If the enemy pushes you your options are slide jump the hell out of there or bunny hop while shooting.
Can tactical flashlight make a difference? The guy is starting at the corner. In theory intense light can partially blind him for a moment, that may be enough. I really like this experimental approach. The only concern is the opponent is "scripted" to wait in the corner. I wonder how the situation changes if he is allowed/motivated to make move as well. It's reasonable to expect that he will want to run/attack/whatever, not just stay in the corner and wait for cops.
Thank you for your comment. Flashlight can be useful of course, OC Spray, and other things. We may try it on the other tests. On this video we covered what we covered. Yes opponent was scripted to stay there, but he changed the elevation which caused my second attempt to engage to fail if you look closely.
The problem with tac lights is that if you've got one shining in your face, the most common reaction is to fire directly at it. So a weapon mounted light is going to draw fire, and with you being directly behind it that's a problem. In my training with a handheld flashlight, we were taught to hold it out away from our bodies as far as comfortably possible. This mitigates some of the risk of the light being used as an indicator of your body positioning.
Pro tip: in most houses in the United States, walls are concealment, not cover B)
Yes agree with that. In Poland on the other hand they are from bricks, or other concrete type of materials. Very rarely from drywall and wood.
Came here to say this. If it's your home, you'll know what the construction material is. What I've seen overseas (I'm in the USA) is most are concrete or brick. Here in the USA it would be rare to see interior walls being anything but wood and drywall. Most pistols will zip right on through. With a rifle, you'd hit your neighbor nextdoor.
that's why us houses is stupid.
@@gundarvarr1024 Because they're not designed for combat?
@@rmnley not for combat while 52% of US house got a gun?
This is great. Most weapon channels only talk about shooting techniques, but very rare to talk about tactics. Very good job.
Thank you. We aim to produce more tests and see what actually may work, and what is the waste of time.
That's because tactics are very dynamic and situational, that it's almost impossible to train. You can spend your entire life training to work around corners/walls, but the only gunfight you get in (if you ever do) will be between two cars. There's nothing wrong with tactics, it's important to gloss over them as thought experiments (that's why I am here), but shooting techniques are the most important because those are actual hard skills that can be transferred to any situation.
Training shooting techniques it's very important too, great for accuracy, and speed on the flat range. Gunfights however it's a completely different thing where more aspects such as your experience, previous scenario training, mental strength, ability to work under stress, fast decision making, tactics, and environment can play a crucial role.
@@bzacademy-poland It's hard to find good courses about these topics.
I know, if you are in Europe, you may try to visit us.
Everyone knows a slide cancel into dolphin dive is the best way to handle this scenario!
Too old for that combo:) I'd break my spine if I did that:)
Duh
Silent full length slow motion horizontal leap 😂
right after doing a wall hack to see the bad guy
I discovered ‘pre-firing’ back in the days of playing the original call of duty games 15 years or so ago. That’s where with a full auto weapon you begin firing into the suspected corner just before you enter, if done perfectly it would leave almost zero time for them to react and would die instantly lol. It became so effective and infamous the players hiding in corners would hate on you and call you a cheater lol
I'm glad you did the blind fire technique, I didn't think anyone would try it out because of the naysayers who would say you need to confirm, obviously this would be done if you knew for a fact the guy was alone and holding that corner. If one suspected on site civilians, hostages or family members as a possibility, then you simply wouldn't do it.
Correct. We showed this option, as it's a safe option once we have met the condition you mention in your comment. This technique is used often to clear the trenches, and buildings on the battlefield, where you do not expect any friendlies.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems collateral damage
Ive seen this done with alot of sim munitions training, I can imagine live fire being even more effective.
My comments are in the context of home defense.
Since you used the #HomeDefense tag, I would recommend against blind firing in nearly every situation. You are responsible for every bullet, and if your stray ends up on another structure (especially if it hits someone else), you may be effed.
Don't blind fire. You don't know what you're shooting at ... could be a 20lb propane cylinder there ...
baahahhaah dont act like the military suddenly cares about civilians. Should I bring up war crimes? Or rpes?
“Pro tip, hit the breaker then say “Bravo Dad going dark” then put the night vision goggles on.” - Sun Tzu Art of CQC
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“Hold on, let me get naked first!” will definitely strike some fear into them
I like how after each scenario, you said in this case. A lot is situationally dependent.
Well, the situational dependency is quite situationally dependent to be fair.
Correct. We understand, that the fact that I succeeded in one case does not mean that I take it for granted, and when I use it for the second time I'll be also successful. Too many variables, each situation is different and may produce different outcomes.
Thorough demonstration. Only positive criticism, maybe use lapel mics because the room echos, and label each attempt for future reference.
I agree with the sound. It could be better. We are not experts in recordings and sound, but for sure will definitely try to improve it in the future.
@@bzacademy-polandEven cheap Bluetooth wireless lapel mics would be better
The funny thing is we had them with us, and they were on during the recording on other videos about CQB earlier that day. Not sure why we did not put them on for this video. I can only apologies.
@@bzacademy-poland it's still clear what you all were saying so no big deal but yeah, having a mic closer to each person would increase the volume of your voices in relation to the reverberation from the room making the sound clearer. Awsome video btw!
Yes, all fights/battles are determined by the manipulation of speed, surprise, & ferocity. By coming in low you know in advance to shoot high .. while the other person is still focused on shooting high which gives you an advantage. Or even throwing something to distract them.
Agree on that. Good point.
Actually wiped a team on R6 siege by using this very philosophy, I was defender on the airplane map, they were breaching, I popped a smoke and went prone inside it, they all walked right over into my spiderweb and I knifed their legs.
Had I read more than the first few comments before I wrote I'd have seen your response. Yes, the gist of my response, completely.
It's a gamble with bad odds in the end as the one " defending " always has the advantage if he knows you're coming, my first thought seeing the thumbnail was that the guy defending the corner would be the most likely to use the elevation change to throw off your attack, and you can't just go paper rock scissor on every corner. Best thing to do imo is to get in cover where you have a good view on the exits, then it's a waiting game until the intruder decides to gtfo because he's stuck
Yes, it's a gamble, and the results are unpredictable. However, we believe that training and testing help bring the odds in your favour. In the scenario you are talking about, I see two skilled guys fighting for the corner. We assume that the skilled guy clears the corner, and a regular perpetrator who invaded your house hides in the corner. I don't think that they have trained much in this subject. Getting into the cover and waiting is the best thing to do, and we talk about it at the very beginning of the video, but if we do that there would be a very boring video to watch. Stay safe.
This is a worthy skill to master, what if I have to move to save a family members
If you’re in your home you should be the one setting up the ambush
Maybe
The scenario I see is: You are coming home from work or something, your family is already home, and you see that your home was broken into and so you have to get into there to save your family.
@@rabidskylark2065 It is one of the many possible scenarios, sure. In this video, we focused more on the technical, and tactical aspects of this specific situation - I got him cornered, he knows I'm coming, I have to go through that room.
@@bzacademy-poland Yeah, I know. I was just trying to show the commenter that it's not always possible to set up an ambush depending on the circumstances.
@@rabidskylark2065 Correct
Interesting video. Fun to see how some of these principals apply to tac-shooters like Counter Strike or Valorant:
For example, in the first scenario of slicing the pie, in game we have a term called "angle disadvantage", in which whoever is closer to the angle will be visible to the opponent first, thus increasing the odds of losing the fight. For this reason, you dont slow peek/slice the pie of angles in which the enemy could be further away.
This leads into the 2nd scenario, which we would call wide peeking/ swinging the angle. If you know an enemy has the angle advantage, it can sometimes work to get as close to the corner as possible and full sprint out, thus throwing off their crosshair placement as you are moving away from the corner relatively faster. Of course it doesn't always work, but if the enemy is expecting you to slow peek it might catch them by surprise.
The third scenario is what we would call a crouch peek. It takes the same principle of the wide peek to throw off the crosshair placement of the enemy by peeking out much lower than what they expect. Only drawback is you are kind of committed to the fight, as crouching hinders your movement slightly.
In the last example, we dont really have anything comparable in tac-shooters, as its just not a mechanic in the game to blind-fire around corners. The closest thing we would have is "spamming" in which you shoot through thin surfaces blindly, or perhaps "pre-firing" in which you basically shoot as soon as you know your crosshair will be around the corner, regardless of target confirmation.
Angle disadvantage is caused by the fact that the character models in games have their rifles tight in their shoulder pocket no matter what they do, whereas their elbows and legs extend past their guns to the left and right. "Real" humans will lean, switch shoulders, and tuck their stock into their bicep, or even hold it outside their bicep, so that ideally the first thing the enemy sees is your muzzle.
Both the wide peek and the crouch peak are exploiting the reactionary gap between where your opponent expects you to be and where you actually are.
Perhaps the more "gamey" equivalent to the blindfire technique is grenades/flashbangs, which can be thrown around corners, and are much easier for a video game character to get their hands on than a real person.
as a gamer ı agree with you, well explained
another thing that separates reality and tactical shooters is that in the 2nd scenario you mentioned, the mechanics of actually moving your weapon and tracking the enemy are completely different and is by far easier and faster in real life. In the vast majority if not all games, locomotion or the movement of the legs and body to move yourself forward is not simulated fully, however in real life it happens naturally and it can be anticipated. That is why leading targets and shooting them where they will be is easier, not to mention that in games, you effectively do not have a wrist, you use your entire arm. In real life you can use your arm, elbow and wrist as well as fingers individually or combined to manipulate and turn or position the gun, so you simply do not have the problem of a crosshair when you can simply move the gun sideways without turning your bodyy or your entire stiff arm but instead just moving the gun in your arms irrespective of where your head is looking or body is positioned. Games like insurgency do at least allow you to have a feeling for how it would look and feel like although i'm not sure if it genuinely simulates it.
What about the slow-motion diving technique? This works best with guns akimbo.
Great minds think alike.
You have to take advantage of the s by combat rolling into the room!
The whole video is great but the reality check was just perfect. I would add that if it’s a thin wall I would shoot through it. Obviously the wall in the video is not penetrable but all the walls in my house are. I know if I shoot the wall over my stove the rounds will pass through my bedroom closet and shower. If I shoot just to the right my bedroom door frame the rounds will also pass behind the bathroom doorway. No one is going to have a tactical advantage in my own home.
Thank you for your comment. Shooting trough the wall is a possibility, but it depends on the wall. Here in Poland most of the interior walls are build from bricks, or other hard concrete type materials. In my home walls are as thick as the ones on the video, so no way I can do it, but if your environment allows it and you feel comfortable about it it's an option.
It's physically possible to shoot through walls, but in the moment, when you know there's an armed intruder in your home in another room with a gun of his own, and adrenaline is pumping through your body... you might not have the time or mental faculties to think/confirm about where the bullet will go if you miss, the bullet deviates, or if they guy moves. Something to consider. That, and handgun rounds are horrible fight stoppers, I can easily see a guy waste more than half his mag of 9mm trying to guestimate shots, and then have a few shots left to actually hit the attacker with.
You need to know exactly where they are at to shoot through cover. You will be very unlikely to have this information. Blasting through walls is almost always a bad idea, but it's an option.
Either way, though, if you're advancing on them, they DO have an advantage, even in your home.
i think seeing first person view of what each method looks like would help too
Good idea. We will add it for sure on the next production.
@@bzacademy-polandindeed
yes, i always come home in full tac gear after getting the groceries. preparation is the best of both the offense and defense
You forgot about the grenades, like many of the people suggest here:)lol
I predict if you keep making videos like this you will get to 10 000 subscribers soon.
I appreciate your support. That is the plan. We have plenty of One Man CQB Content recorded and will upload 2-3 videos per week.
This video made me subscribe.
Gear and split times means nothing without tactics.
Happy to see elevation changes and blind corner shots when the target has already been identified.
Shooting through drywall is also an option but remember that works both ways.
Agree on the tactics. Flat range target practice got not much in common with a gunfight in my opinion. It helps of course with the fundamentals of shooting, but when it comes to the fight much more variables need to be taken into account.
japierdole jaki świetny materiał. Teoria sprawdzona w praktyce, nawijacie po angielsku lepiej niż nasz prezydent. Bardzo mi sie podobało, na święta obejrzę z całą rodziną, pozdro
Cieszymy sie że weszło:) Pozdrawiamy i zapraszamy do subskrypcjii kanału.
Love the experimenting, more is better! Makes you think about always having a small drone on you and it's applications...
Yes, drones are being used more often recently not only in the battlefields but also by LE.
There is actually a great video of russian military storm trooper explaining this kind of situation. In the video the trooper explains that, you should when clearing a room corner move like you did in "slicing the pie" horizontally, peaking to see the target, not too much just enough to notice where the target is. Then you would fire with "zero exposure">peak again with "slicing the pie" and fire and if the target is still not down you would level change and fire again.
What is the name of the video?
Another variant is extremely short peekaboo slicing. Where you just rapidly move your head and return back to safety before enemy can react. Then depending on situation either zero exposure at close uncovered target is possible, but IMHO changing elevation is more universal in winning corners at various distances against opponents in cover.
You do not always have short corner, sometimes you have whole corridor or hall.
@@nickst2797 Saw it on telegram but as yourself, couldn't find it anywhere.
Luckily i saved it, so i uploaded it for anybody interested in this topic, also i might add to BZ academy, great video, i didn't give enough credit!
Its called blind fire, but yeah, a lot of the gun fights in war are like that, you rapidly just snap your head into the corner very slightly just enough to notice A person and then just blind fire at him.
Heil putla
I remember playing airsoft and someone tried to flank me in a very close quarters spot. I have been conditioned to react by immediately dumping an entire magazine into any flankers. The flanker himself was not ready for the barrage of bullets (BBs) that stopped him in his tracks. He was too busy telling me he was "hit" than try to shoot back.
Lesson I learned:
1. Surprise is always a good thing to have on your side
2. Overwhelm the aggressor to the point they are the victim
3. Always strive to be a highly observant person in all your senses (hearing, sight, smell etc.). You will gain great awareness during times of relaxation and times of high stress.
We may try it next time, and see what the results are going to be.
This is very realistic, very and I had thoughts of this before and I’m so glad I found this channel
This is a great breakdown of CQB using different methods.
Glad you think so! Thanks for watching.
great reality check mate, thank you so much
I love this channel of trying different things.
Thank you, I need to check out your channel more, this is awesome.
Glad you enjoy it!
The elevation change is my favorite because it gives PID and I believe it can still work with some changes in the scenario, for example: If there were some relevant unknowns about this guy in the corner.
Frag out
The right answer right here 😂
the mischievous m67
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And then your house is fucked lol
You can always just yell it and throw something heavy to scare/distract and go in at the same time
Great breakdown, love the science of it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
These are great things to think about. In a real situation like this, either one is about to die or be seriously injured, so the adrenaline is also a factor. Your enemy might even think of the same exact things. I think you must be the one to causing a reaction rather than being the one who needs to react in this situation.
Correct, but still not all the options worked in my favor.
If I were to ever be in some sort of firefight like this, however unlikely it would be, I would use a mirror to check around walls and under doors! I want to see this method tested!
In this case it was known where the assailant is located, so no need to use the mirror. Anyway do you always carry mirror with you?
@@bzacademy-poland For sure, not. But maybe it would be a good idea to keep a mirror with your guns just in case! Unless of course that only causes more problems?
go ahead. try it. try using a mirror around a corner and see how fast you can react
@@kballs94 why do you sound hostile?
To be honest I never tried using a mirror to check the corner, but only by thinking about it I can already see some issues with hand switching problem (left/right corner). But it's a good subject to actually try how it works.
Nice demostration...
Glad you liked it
In the end, if you know the threat is behind a corner- the less your body is exposed the better
Interesting. Thank you. If I didn’t know if he was in that room I would expose less of myself.
Me neither
From Germany, we have cover Walls :) ok..very good work here. well explained and good conclusion at the end. what i am missing are: the keypoints for the best/safe strategy as conlusion. Go one with this good work
Thank you. This will help me to improve in playing James Bond games.
try zero exposure:):)
FANTASTIC VIDEO!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Watching this just confirms my thoughts that the "zero exposure" is the safest bet. A bunch of trench clearing gunfight videos that come up from Ukraine show soliders shooting into dugouts like that. Not exposing yourself, firing a bunch of rounds at a possible target or a confirmed one (they moslty deal with it by chucking a granade inside 1st, but firing a firearm does play out mosly like you show it here). So this practical showcase of different engagement scenarios is very helpful and informative.
great video, it also made me consider that sometimes your opponent doesn't go down instantly from getting hit.
It really depends on where they were hit and things like adrenaline and luck. It's extremely risky.
If you managed to tag the other guy without getting hit, that's great, but staying around to land more hits to ensure their incapacitation opens you to retaliatory fire, but falling back to wait for them to bleed out may give them the initiative.
I don't think I would have any confidence in pulling off that sort of shootout and I'd much rather fall back entirely.
CSGO tip- you will have peek advantage if you clear the corner from a wider angle than the offender.
Correct, but in this particular set up it was not possible to take an advantage of that.
It is often hard to be sure that the perpetrator doesn’t have a hostage with them as a shield or to know what is behind the wall behind the perpetrator. Shooting blind is highly risky in most scenarios. I was waiting for you to throw something into the room to draw the perpetrators attention to that moving object and give you time to “slice the pie” and get off a shot and then retreat behind cover to assess the effectiveness of that first shot. Or, depending on the circumstances, you can just go all in and keep shooting and hope to disable the perpetrator before they can land a shot on you.
Next time we will try to do the tactics you have mentioned. For sure worth trying.
What a great video, thank you.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Świetny materiał, zajebiste podejście do tematu - analityczna formuła, like and sub !!! mam nadzieję, że to się będzie rozwijać :) Pzdr!
Witam, dziękujemy. Chciaż kanał istnieje już dlugo, to nigdy nie skupialiśmy się na nim. Bardziej nas interesowały nasze szkolenia w realu. Ostatnio wpadliśmy na pomysł, aby się wiedzą podzielić z bardzo dobrym sygnałem zwrotnym od widzów. Także motywacja jest i na pewno będziemy wrzucać materiał. Poprawimy też kość, bo dźwięk nie wyszedł tu najlepiej. Pozdrawiam
@@bzacademy-poland Super, dzielenie się wiedzą na YT napewno się zwróci z nawiązką w myśl zasady "karma is a bitch" :) - żart. Pozdrawiam z Trójmiasta
You could also use a psychological method. By trying to talk him out of the situation but half way through your sentence lean out and do the business. By talking to him even though he is still very much alert to the situation you are taking some of his focus away from the situation by conversing with him and so 30-40% of his focus is on your voice. As soon as you stop talking then his focus is back to 100% but it is least expected for you to do the business if you do it before finishing your sentence 😉
Note: Of course talking to him also puts you at risk too since he can gauge how close you are and where you are positioned by the sound of your voice and he may not be at all interested in what you have to say and so it has pros and cons. So it's very much down to personal preference and you don't want to talk too long giving him the chance to gauge where you're positioned and decide to do the business to you before you finish your sentence. That would be a complete flip of the script lol
Good point here, but the assumption of the video was to try four tactics to see what result we can get. Next time we will also try to do the talking bit. Thanks for the comment.
@bzacademy-poland I didn't expect a response but thank you for the reply, it's much appreciated and keep the the good videos. I always enjoy watching this type of content. 😇👍
@bzacademy-poland I'm not sure how you will be able to test it since he will know what the tactic is. Of course, it still may work but it will not be as effective as it would be in a real life situation against someone who is unaware of that tactic. If you try this method for the purpose of a video, he will know that as soon as you start talking you are getting ready to pop out and do the business, so he will probably be super focused lol. Would be fun to see though.
No worry, I'll make sure he's not aware. I have my ways:)
@@bzacademy-poland Haha. Can't wait to see it 😁
Very good demonstrations 👏
Glad you liked it!
Hmm it depends... the problem is the ambience shadow, if the gunner can read that shadows(shadows corners reading).. .
Both has a tactical winning techincs.
Things are too to complicated but prepairedness do help the gunner to win the firefigth
You missed one option. The call of duty slide. Gets me every time. Just sprint towards the doorway and start a horizontal slide right before entering while you begin blasting away into the corner. 🤣
Too old for that:)
This channel is awesome.
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Good argument for recreational frag grenades 😂
Really though I almost wonder if falling back into a darker part of the room and "letting it breathe" would be the safest option for you especially if you know he is alone. Turn the ambusher into the ambushee
Good video.To the point. Keep them coming. You earned another subscriber.
Thanks for the sub!
Some observations:
An additional technique not tested would be the "pre-fire" where you pie the corner fairly quickly, but already firing and walking the shots into the target (not knowing the exact position/elevation of target). With real firearms, the muzzle blast and fear of being hit might be enough to keep the target from accurately returning fire.
Another thing, if you were the one in the corner, to avoid the "blind fire" technique demonstrated last, you might wait in a more open position, which might surprise an attempted "blind fire", and also might give you a slight room to retreat from an attempt to "pie the corner".
Also, there is always the possibility at an time that the person in the corner might use one of the same tactics against you to go on the offense.
In all situations, this is a very high risk attack. There is a reason the military avoids doing this whenever possible, but instead uses indirect methods to reach a defended confined space.
Very good points here. Thank you for your comment.
Many militaries try to avoid it by training against it but if you watch enough combat footage youll notice that this is one of the most used tactics to just blind fire (even if trained otherwise, natural reaction of your body not wanting to be exposed to lethal danger) when you either know for sure or even just suspect someone to be there, some militaries are even teaching this way of assaulting a room, throw a grenade, pre fire WITH blind fire both hard corners and keep walking in as you pre fire the entire room which may sound chaotic and unorganized, but if done properly and trained actually very effective and counters many other "flashy/hollywoody/cinematic" tactics.
Agree. As a matter of fact I've seen footage from Ukraine, where UA special forces were clearing trenches from Russians using only blind fire technique. On top of that there were also screaming to Russians to give up before they proceeded with blind fire giving them opportunity to survive. (not sure if they always do that if they don't record it). I've seen also this technique done by the IDF in GAZA. This technique is very controversial, but it's the safest one you can do. However in a civilian environment it may carry some consequences.
So, full security cams so that you can see the assailants' exact location and no-exposure shot around the corner to neutralize the threat.
In the 3rd response the model appears to be one of doing the unexpected (changing height) - anticipating (the others position - high, low) - acting (shooting). This response was successful and can be fast. It is successful because it employs an action which slows the others reaction by necessitating a correction (change of height). It is fast because it is leading action out front of reaction (anticipation). If in leaning from the crouched position the hands are high anticipating a standing corner guy but the discovery is that he is crouching aiming high both persons must engage in correction. I believe at that point the advantage may be lost and both engage in a burst ( reaction speed) to first shots and accuracy/caliber/type of firearm/lighting for either guy/other factors that may slow reaction or put off aim (light burst)/training,commitment, armor etc.
Thanks for doing this experiment which may challenge many truisms and show the difficulty in reality and why better doctrine may prevail over some established truisms.
Very good comment. Thank you for that. If you look closely at second attempt (Running into the room), when I run into the room I was expecting the corner guy to be standing, and automatically I took the shot as soon as I passed the corner. Unfortunately for me he decided to go lower, and lowered his posture. As a matter of fact my shot was the first one, and landed where his upper chest/neck would be if he was standing. (like on the first go). Then I adjusted the high, but it was too late as I got hit.
@bzacademy-poland yes exactly. It would be interesting to try the run with a mind set of ' not knowing' where the other is high or low and perhaps a second after rolling in an unfamiliar nonesense object. Pick something up T the dollor store destroy it or a toilet tank floating ball disfigured so it's unrecognizable. The mind is being led to identify 'what is that' sllows reaction. The mind unless the most disciplined like a dog cannot let go of identifying even if it eventually decides, 'it's nonesense'. Again attacking defender must unhook from expectations/anticipstion of his ploy, that it will have x effect.
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Thank you
You guys forgot to demonstrate the "Quackbang" technique. For some reason I believe this tactic would work 90% of the time !
What is the techniques you call "Quickbang"? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the terminology. Is it when you pop out, place a few shoots and hide back?
yeah Im curious as to what that technique is too
@@bzacademy-poland I think he's referencing The Fat Electrician, who knew someone who would throw a rubber duck instead of a flashbang to confuse enemies, then fire while they were confused. When he threw the duck he'd say "quackbang."
Great video, thank you
Glad you liked it!
Elevation change (crouching) is risky though, since it limits your movement and exposes your head to shots fired from a lowering gun (bad guy after being hit).
All CQB is very risky, especially if you do it on your own. To minimize the risk of getting hit I did it dynamically, and got back to cover quickly after taking the threat down. This part in this particular case was successful, but it does not mean it will be successful always.
Well, I started with that’s gonna suck without grenades. Then I picked up on “in your house” and went with elevation change. Then I saw blind shot and now I’m back to grenades. Kidding aside really good stuff.
Thank you for watching.
Definitely gonna 'one hand reach' around the corner, and fire without actually seeing
Happens in war where you dont expect any civillians all the time, most gun fights are like that.
Put up some foam padding for the echo man
Tac sprint into slide prone into jump counter strafe
To mitigate the blind-fire issue from zero exposure, you could just peek the corner real quick.
If done quick enough both of you will see each other but not have enough time to shoot, and exposing yourself just enough to see is a much smaller target than exposing enough to see + shoot.
Sure, but why would I do that in this particular scenario where a the beginning we agreed that we know that the threat is in the corner? It would be good to discover unknown area when we don't know what is in the corners.
The move at 6min is what came to my mind first. If you know he’s there and he’s is a solo threat with clear background.
Nice one B, you taught me Krav in the UK Bro 👍
Good to hear!
What i've learned from video games, is that the farther away you are from a corner, the easier it is to see an enemy without them seeing you. But this only happens with extended body parts like arms or legs.
You see. You can learn from video games too. This is correct, the longer distance from the cover/corner you have the better field of view you have, and more time and space for reaction. What was that, COD?
@bzacademy-poland the game is called CSGO or CS2, but yeah i do think you can learn import skills from games wether you realize it or not.
should always carry a lil paracord "monkeys fist" with a small lanyard handle that you can tug on to unravel into ~1 meter length of rope because if you swing that around the corner you can essentially make contact without ever exposing yourself or at the very least use it to create a distraction. another method i'd incorporate knowing the guy was in the corner waiting like that is to simply take a low stance and get your pistol hand to about "center mass" for a crouch and then just poke your pistol around the corner and squeeze off 2-3 rounds only ever exposing your gun and hand.
This. I'm surprised they didn't try throwing anything as a distraction
Not exposing your head, ever, is the name of the game with this scenario sir. Be safe out there.
Elevation chg, fire 7or 8!fast accurate ones with only barrel and little bit of fingers exposed is what works.
Great video
Thanks for the visit
Nice and interesting set of movies. Thx for this. Makes me also even more interested into the C.A.R. System. BZ Home defence course... yes, maybe 2026... already planed another course at ESA next year. ;-)
Let us know when you free. Take care
Knowing his position vs clearing without knowing who is where makes all the difference here.
Yes. It changes completely the game.
What about camera attached on the pistol, and simultaneously displayed on cell phone ?
I wounder why special ops or SWAT didn't have this.
For every corner in CQB it could be so useful i think.
The corner shooting systems in past suffered from miror and left become right so its really hard to haim.
But with a camera, displayed on a screen attached to the chest or even on a helmet google, it sound like really easy to haim in any position with suffisent accuracy for CQB usage at least.
Sound like a life saver to me
I think as a civilian, the best less risky situation would be to lock down the room and wait for police. As police use a flash bang or stinger. Try to do everything to reduce risk
Yes correct, and I talk about it at the very beginning of this video. However in the scenario when you wait for the cops to arrive, being armed, and having your family being assaulted in the other part of the house, you may have to make a decision to get involved.
What anyone can learn from this is that if someone is armed and prepared for you to enter the room, it's a 50/50 at best.
i heared that soviet times kgb specnaz tactics is to look to a corner very fast from lower 1/3 of height(90% of people after a corner are aiming in a chest). and then they shoot without aiming from corner and its working more or less good, sometimes😂
Its very hard to precisely predict this kind of situations where 1. bad guy might have a 1second advantage and he gets an iniciative or the fact he will move so the "full covered" tactic might make you not full covered. Also depents of width of the wall between you. Dobry film Panowie.
Agree, the situation is very dangerous, and unpredictable.
Love to see videos out of Poland. A great country with great people!
But for corner guy…FRAG OUT!!! Lol.
I can't see where this would actually be applied except in a combat environment and situation. In that case I'm keeping distance, dumping the mag into that corner splattering tiles in the opponents face, getting the angle and dispatching the threat.
Example we discussed at the beginning of the video. Someone is in your house, and you need to get to your family located in the other part of the house. You spot the armed guy, he noticed you, and took cover. You saw him too. How likely this is going to happen who knows?
Good video. One of the things I was hoping to see you try was skipping rounds either off the corner or the floor to see if you could disorient him and get in there. Less safe than just blind firing, but in a couple of your attempts both of you seemed to recoil pretty hard for fear of getting shot so it'd be interesting to see if that'd change anything in your favor.
Blind fire is probably underrated but I'd guess that's because most this info comes from vets worried about friendlies in an urban war context, just not worth the risk of catching a friendly bullet because privatefaggot got spooked by your boots.
Very good comment, and idea. We will try it next time, and see how it works. Of course skipping rounds may not be good for every environment, such as houses built from woods etc, but here in Poland we have solid interior walls, so it may be a good idea.
I have a question: If the bad guy in the corner hears you coming and moves slightly away from the corner, wouldn't you miss him, giving him the upper hand in returning fire on you if you do not identify exactly where he is first?
Sure that may happen. However in most of the cases we try to get close to the corner, so we may see him moving. CQB is really unpredictable, and many things may happen.
I thought they would test the hyper-peek method.
If you need info on an unknown threat potential. It can also be followed up by more precise blind fire.
We did not test this one, but for sure we will perform the test again, as there are many good ideas in the comments we would like to try, so subscribe, so you won't miss it:)
Ive seen a couple of people do the running on force on force and not get hit because they hit the actor really fast and a lot of times (I did it once without getting hit) so I guess that it depends on whether you hit the shots or not.
The actor got hit once out of 3 or 4 shots fired
In this particular scenario if you watch closely, I fired first , but I missed due to threat lowering the level. If he stayed standing as on the first go, that techniques would work on my favor. This shows, how dangerous, and unpredictable CQB is.
Also, could you show us one where you use a Flash Bang? ( Not that everyone has a Flash Bang at the ready, improvise! ) Toss it right in front of him with your eyes closed, ears covered for the second. With his wide open waiting for you, off guard he would not be able to see, or hear for that matter for more than enough time to take care of business. Or as noted by other comments a distraction of some sort.
A home invasion scenario or situation can happen or change so fast, and no two are ever the same. You have to be ready for anything. Train. Practice. Above all stay aware.
We could do this, but I don't believe that will bring any benefit to the subject, as we are talking about civilian home defence scenario. If you have one of course sure it may give you an advantage.
What about misdirection? Toss something into the room and then immediately employ zero-exposure?
Possible solution, we will try to test it next time, and see how it works.
"Frag out!!"😂
Good video
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Would have liked to see elevation change pushed to extremities, basically diving or sliding on the floor and pushing the corner at the same time
Too much video games. I'm too old for that:)
I think we can learn a thing or two from airsoft...that might sound crazy, but think about it. Its the best force on force training we can get without severely hurting eachother...with that being said, airsofters play against other airsofters all the time and do what works to get an elimination/win the game/stay alive as long as possible...idk.
Maybe not all the running and diving stuff they do but all the other things they do. Cool video though!
Throw grenade?:)
5:54 That is correct way to me for close range shots.
Also crounch work well too.
Its bad always expose too much of body.
Or just be more defensive,call police or talk to him?
Have to remember this to crouch really low weapon ready when approaching a corner
You mean in low ready?
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I appreciate that!
Seems obvious to only engage the hand around the corner (not the body), no?
That would only work if you had no risk of collateral damage in that direction and you already knew that you wanted to kill whatever is in that corner without looking at it first to make sure... that being said, there is a good chance that you wouldn't kill them instantly with a handgun without aiming, so they would probably shoot back at you either in the hand or through the corner, so it would be a messy gunfight at best. At worse, you just killed your neighbor or your friend accidentally because you weren't sure of your target and what is beyond it, or you miss the bad guy and they shoot you through the corner because they know where you are standing because your arm is visible.
from the defender perspective is it viable to "pre-fire" ahead of time?
This is an interesting concept, and we will try it soon.
American here. Don't even engage in these types of scenarios unless it is immediately necessary to save people from immediate life threatening situations.
what boots is the guy in black wearing? nice video btw
You forgot the frag out option.
At the end u said the best is to wait (if u don't have to enter) but that just contradicts the video bc the invader can do what the video recommended.
Backflips and blind fire. You win the internet. AY first name G.
Flash-bang for the win.
Face as close to the wall and use third person to peek at your enemies and do the peek and weave back and forts. If the enemy pushes you your options are slide jump the hell out of there or bunny hop while shooting.
I usually slow motion dive around the corner
Can tactical flashlight make a difference?
The guy is starting at the corner. In theory intense light can partially blind him for a moment, that may be enough.
I really like this experimental approach. The only concern is the opponent is "scripted" to wait in the corner. I wonder how the situation changes if he is allowed/motivated to make move as well. It's reasonable to expect that he will want to run/attack/whatever, not just stay in the corner and wait for cops.
Thank you for your comment. Flashlight can be useful of course, OC Spray, and other things. We may try it on the other tests. On this video we covered what we covered. Yes opponent was scripted to stay there, but he changed the elevation which caused my second attempt to engage to fail if you look closely.
The problem with tac lights is that if you've got one shining in your face, the most common reaction is to fire directly at it. So a weapon mounted light is going to draw fire, and with you being directly behind it that's a problem.
In my training with a handheld flashlight, we were taught to hold it out away from our bodies as far as comfortably possible. This mitigates some of the risk of the light being used as an indicator of your body positioning.
“Bad guy” can move too. This looks like a very risky kill trade situation.