When they are forced into getting this pack just to access it they don’t, i perhaps didn’t make it clear enough in my explanation that’s what I was getting at. That’s my autistic ass for ya 🤣
@@turtleanton6539 You don't understand Why is the ACNH pack in the expansion if people don't have the game that is what one of the reasons people are not getting this.
@@n64glennplant ah, I see. Yeah, I thought getting the n64 expansion along with the animal crossing dlc would be a good idea, but ill just go ahead and buy it separately. But then again, it's cheaper if you just get the nintendo expansion, so I don't know what the heck to do.
Thanks for putting the service through the paces for us. The price alone made me hesitant to get the expansion, but after your analysis, I definitely agree that it's not worth it.
@@FatJesusHangry I couldn't. There shouldn't be a price increase at all without an improvement to the service. The service itself is terrible, and that's what we're paying for.
@@Droogie128 I agree. It's a subscription after all. There'd have to be a MASSIVE improvement to ask for a higher price... Which is what Nintendo claimed when they showcased the Expansion Pack.
I was already not a fan of this expansion pack and hearing about the emulation issues with this service pretty much confirmed that I am not missing anything. Great video, Glenn!
There are only 8 games. Of course you're not missing much 😆 In a year when those underlying issues are fixed and games catalog have expanded for both N64 and Genesis/Mega Drive, it then may be worth a look. Maybe.
@@n64glennplant LOL. Criticism that no one can buy it → Buy it for review → Criticism as the viewer wants. Even though the video contributor originally had no intention of complimenting the expansion pack. If you're not interested, ignore it. If you understand the contents and buy it, but criticize the contents, is the screw on your head broken? If you don't like it, don't buy it. What a person feels is free. But don't impose your values on others. It's great to earn views and high ratings just by criticizing!
@@n64glennplant I was never much of a fan of emulation in most cases. Not because of so-called "piracy concerns", but because of graphical artifacts and in some cases, sound glitches not present in original hardware.
I love N64 games but playing a 240p resolution game on a 55 inch tv ain't pretty. At that point I just play them on my OG modded xbox at 480 or 720p they look amazing. And play great. But playing 3d games on n64 is a rough experience. Only I would do it on a CRT
@@n64glennplant N64 games on a nice Sony Trinitron or a PVM is still as good as it gets as far as retro games go for me, N64 looks great @ 240p with scanlines, it looks even beter @ 480i (unlike the 16Bit consoles which look better @ 240p), Perfect Dark for instance has a cheat code to enable 480i but the FPS tanks, which is why I am really looking forward to the N64 Mister FPGA core, which will alow native 480i hopefully @ full speed FPS, on a 4:3 display via RGB scart it will be amazing, I bet it will look incredible on a PVM/BVM or an arcade monitor, 480i & scanlines with native lag free N64 gamplay will be perfection for me, another console which really benifits from 480i is the PS1, just that as it does on N64 the FPS tanks when forced @ 480i, so also waiting on the PS1 Mister core as well. Of course the Mister will probalby enable higher resolutions than 480i, but that's the top resolution of the average SD 4:3 CRT, and that is all I am really interested in playing the N64 on, 480i is the seet spot for N64 & PS1 imo.
Unfortunately, my ex stole my N64 and many of my games. I’m not even mad about the financial angle of it; I’m upset about how many memories come from those games and I can’t play them anymore.
Congratulations on your freedom. Ive been emulating for many years. And all these programs Nintendo online are churning out are pretty much emulators too, except they are badly made with stolen code. Best way to play classic games, other their original platform or with a flashcart, is to play on a PC emulator with a USB controller. Like i play GameCube on dolphin with a USB 4 port and an original controller. All on my laptop. Same with Gameboy advance, psp, ps1, n64. And with my dslite i have a r4 flashcart (got a gba flashcart on my wishlist, will have it by December) and my 3ds has CFW so ive filled it with games from nes/snes to gba/ds. And of course select 3ds titles. I have a wiiu with CFW as well that i use to play Zelda BOTW. And two CFW PS3s that i rarely use nowadays and only have cause ps3 emulation isnt that good especially on my laptop. Dont let these big companies milk your nostalgia for money if they arnt gonna put the necessary effort into the product. Especially when there are free alternatives that are better and have had years of effort and improvement.
I have been keeping up with the mounting problems with the Expansion Pack. This shows that Nintendo did the equivalent of "putting the cart before the horse" and just dumped the ROMs "as is" without double-checking for errors.
As a real hardware enthusiast I know this kind of service isn't for me but witnessing Nintendo dropping the ball so badly across the board lately has been so sad that they might as well be just another greedy tech giant rather than the last bastion of the old guard.
And sadly, I'm actually seeing people defend it/claiming the input lag "doesn't exist" etc. - the post-purchase rationalization is incredibly strong with Nintendo fanboys.
@@AlquimistEd they have been since the Famicom. I don't get why people act like this is anything new, or how Iwata's or Reggie's presence made any difference. Anyone can do a quick jog through Nintendo's legal and corporate history and see nothing has changed.
The increased price is absolutely ridiculous, especially when most N64 emulators can offer a far better experience. I appreciate that Nintendo are trying to get these great games to a wider audience, but honestly I can't see many of their fans bothering. The main draw of NSO was the online features, this upgrade just tacks on two emulators and DLC for one game that most Switch owners probably don't have.
this should have all been in the NSO price, forget the mega drive games which nobody wants and boom they then had full control over price and it didn't cost them anything extra.
@@thebigbean8783 but you have to realize that a third of all switch owners isn’t everyone. I like to make the comparison of you want to buy a cookie at a convenience store(N64 games). This cookie is delicious and cost effective. Suddenly you now have to buy this cookie with an expensive salad that a lot of people like but you don’t(animal crossing dlc). Would you be happy? Of course not
@@andreivaldez2929 Imagine being a thief and thinking you're entitled to a game because it's old! Everyone publisher is selling their old stuff. You act like this is a Nintendo thing only
As we all know, Nintendo will milk everything they can with their classics. They know outside emulators are hard to stop so they figure why not make money out of it instead. I get it, however, if you're going to put it out there then do it for the fans. Make the expansion experience worth it. They didn't even include most of the games and I know why. They are thinking of remakes. First, they screwed up on the Zelda anniversary, then they kept quiet about Switch pro and released OLED (milking it) instead; Skyward Sword Amiibo? and now this expansion pack. Why did they time the Mario Collection? Also, their first party titles never rarely drop below $30 (sale). None of this equates to them even listening/hearing it out from their fan base. Oh and any fanmade games/items will be taken down quickly. I love Nintendo games, but will never defend their greed. Their business strategy has not broke yet, so they won't fix it.
Thank you for the honest review. I signed up for the “Expansion pack” mainly for the ACHN content. Having 3 family members that want the ACNH content at $24.99 each signing up for a $79.99 family pack (they pro rated to $76.99 for the existing time I had left on my year) it was a no brainer for me. I’ve got a 5 year old who will love Mario 64, Mario kart 64, and Sonic 2 because she loves the games and doesn’t know any better that there are graphics flaws. They got my money for this year’s round of antics.
When Nintendo catches up and gives me the basics that have been in play in online gaming since ‘06 I’ll buy in. I need messaging, achievements and at least a private chat system. I can’t justify buying this without having the basics of online functionality.
It's Nintendo... Even though most of their playerbase is 30 years old and above they still operate under the premise that's it's a family or kids console thats why they will never implement simple features the rest of the gaming world has already done for years... If it wasn't for the select few Nintendo ips I would never buy a Nintendo console ever again they are just so behind on everything.
Hey Glenn. I think the increased high end in the sound is likely due to the switch having enough CPU power to output at 48kHz sample rate. N64 often had to compress the audio to a lower sample rate, I've heard audio processing was shared with graphics processing on the system and that's why multiplayer often cut or decreased the quality of the music. You can do a quick wiki for Nyquist rate if you're interested in how sample rates work!
Speaking from a Die hard N64 fan POV N64 is the 1st console i owned at 4 years old now at almost 30 with kids of my own i want to share the experience with but the lack of shortage problems due to scalpers and Nintendo not having the foresight really grind my gears i had to button map my joy cons just to play the N64 another point i would like to make is that the price increase does not justify a mediocre online gaming experience in 2021 with the most basic of functions such a sending a text message to a friend on your friend list or to download more streaming apps besides hulu such as Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, Hbo Max, etc. To put things in a financial point of view my subscription dose not end until 5/15/21 yet i only got an abysmal 10$ discount this is unfortunate since i had a 100$ in Eshop funds and thanks to the ridiculous steep price increase i only have 58$ in my account...sad i really was hoping i was gonna have enough $ for the new GTA trilogy or Pokemon Diamond now... Guess i just have to donate some blood or sperm.. or an organ
As far as the game selection goes i would've personally preffererd to buy each game individually instead of waiting hoping i get something good in the next update. Also Winback and all the games plz include more options i had the inverted controls looking left and right its insanity dont get me wrong i like my brain to be challenged but i feel mentally challenged trying to adjust to non modern comtrols i hope they fix this issue with golden eye which will inevitably come out
@Walther Penne The N64 doesn't have a DSP either; RSP's SIMD instructions are reused for audio sampling. The N64 temporarily suspends the rendering display list, does a bit of audio, then goes back to filling the framebuffer.
I was definitely waiting to hear some feedback on the service and no one I'm subscribed to is more fitted to comment on it than you Considering Nintendo can't seem to do more than half-ass backwards compatibility of their legacy content, I can't say I'm surprised. Too bad, I was looking forward to an Ocarina run this fall
You know it's a sad state of affairs when the SELLING POINT of this service is the online multiplayer and it doesn't WORK all that well. And you know what, BIG props to you for spreading the word around. Heck... The newbies deserve to have a great experience like we did when WE were younger ya know? It also doesn't help that you have to go ALL IN with this one. You can't just get N64 or JUST SEGA Genesis an pay a smaller fee overall. "All or nothing" is the name of the game and I'm not too hot on that when it comes to this service update and the current price point. Remember when Nintendo's online was _free_ for years and even during the first year of the Switch? I do.
You know how at the end of Man on the Moon, Jim Carrey's Andy Kaufman breaks out into laughter after seeing that his life saving treatment is nothing more than a scam? Well, that's pretty much my reaction as well when I laid down the money for this last night.
It's honestly unforgivable to me that my Wii and WiiU are stocked with an amazing list of BC games and Nintendo decided to forego most of that with the Switch. Always too little too late with them nowadays.
GBC and GBA would be even better. I picked up several GBA titles on WiiU VC years ago and they were brilliant! In fact, I should go buy a few more like Aria or Sorrow and Metroid Zero Mission before they close the store. I did get a GBA this year, but some of the games I want are just too expensive. 😔
No we need Gamecube so we can play Melee on the switch, if they actually put GameCube on the switch for 50, I would actually pay that price, although, GBA games would awesome.
@@jackfblades7528 Having ol' iterations of a title still supported by the company today doesn't seem likely to happen truly; _Specially_ Melee, seeing how supportive and hardcore the fanbase. Hear me out: It would most likelly attract Melee players to the console (if done right) but even if they're enough to be cuantificable, there's still the problem with "outshining" modern SSBs.
This is why I wait and watch some reviews before committing to getting something like this. I was excited to play OOT again, which is a game myself and my brother who died in Afghanistan used to play together when we were younger. Appreciate the honesty! I won't be wasting money on this, and I hope Nintendo sees how big of a flop this "extra" content is with a lack of subscribers....
Hi Glenn! Been a fan for a few years now and I must say I totally agree with your suggestion to skip the service. What got me interested was the announcement of a wireless N64 controller made by Nintendo. I was hoping that Nintendo would start assembling Nintendo 64 controllers for the Switch AND for those who still play on original hardware, but sadly that was not the case. So on top of paying more for the service, you have to pay 50 Dollars American for the controller. It's just bad all around. Great video!
"Stock controller" as in the Joycons? Yeah... The analog sticks on each aren't comfortable in general lmao. The way they're designed are for portability rather than accuracy. But even then if you want to upgrade to a Pro Controller (a massive upgrade), I hope you do it for other Switch games (like I did for Splatoon 2 - totally worth it cause I always come back at it) rather than playing the classic ones. There are other options for emulation besides that console after all... Alternatives that don't require a subscription. Something that surprised me about the Switch's internet is Modern Vintage Gamer's finding that Ethernet possibly won't give you faster connection, due the shared bandwidth with the console's USB C video and audio, and the other USB ports. He talks in detail on his OLED review. Imo Nintendo is trying a bit too hard on offering expensive options... Like why else would they bundle N64, Genesis, and other games' DLC (who says it's only gonna be Animal Crossing) all in one subscription? That killed my interest on even trying lmao... I was really looking forward to playing online - even with mediocre connectivity, but I don't have an income to throw money at what I already knew is a subpar offering. I can't really think of any of my friends who are willing to do the same - only one of them (apparently) is in an good financial situation, and he doesn't want to try.
@@n64glennplant I mean, regarding to this video, I agree. I assume emulation wouldn't leave room for coding a better online experience (unless you're Kaze), so we're bound to the hardware's limitations. That being said, if internet was bad, I wouldn't had spent nearly 1.2k hrs on Splatoon 2 lmao I am a somewhat demanding gamer as well.
I'm not a fan of the joy cons at all enless in handheld mode. Trying to play metroid dread in docked mode with the joy con grip is horrible. They feel cheap and the L and R buttons are a clicky mess. Need to get me a pro controller
@@Thefortniteproyx Yeah my joycons haven't really been detached from the console since I got the Pro controller. Only exception I can remember was when I tried one of the Arms demo... And even then it was kinda weird with the right stick being extruded right on the center of the controller.
Hey Glenn, it was me who was playing Mario kart 64 with you this morning. Great experience! Shame the control is so different from the original controller! Hope when the new one arrives feels just like original n64
haha the connection was so unstable right? Im on a grand new 1GIG internet connection here thats rapid I can't understand why the connectivity is so poor right now on it. Those races on Chocco mountain were way too laggy right
Such unfortunate bad sex experiance. Most ove the old veitnamese *pun* That played through that generation stares this one both eyes and YES you can DO THIS with BLINDFOLDED.
@@n64glennplant yeah, I've 600Mb fiber but with the Switch is always a WiFi problem and maybe Nintendo servers. For me the feel with the joystick was the big problem with Mario kart. Anyway, I've had a great time!
Yeah, it’s actually Nintendo’s servers. Even if you use an Ethernet connection, the Switch’s speeds are severely limited compared to what you would get on other consoles of this generation or PC. It’s frustrating that Nintendo still hasn’t nailed down good online functionality, and now they’re asking you to pay $49.99 for the service + N64 and Genesis games (and I guess Animal Crossing DLC).
Awesome video as always! Yeah this launch is pretty rough on top of that Price 💰🔥 the lag & visual + audio is off especially when playing multiplayer online. It's a mess indeed! Thanks for getting this info out there! You saved me some money for sure😜 Keep up the great work and have a wonderful day!
The music volume goes down in Mario Kart 64 when you’re hit or slip on a banana but the volume never goes back up to normal volume. Also, we need scanlines asap. Bad pixelation at points. Nintendo’s best emulate attempt was their first on the Wii, it’s not even that quality :/
Hit me up when they release one of the more rare and worthwhile games on the N64 like Goemon otherwise ill just stick to the real thing on a CRT still works just fine.
I wasn't planning on getting it, but my friend invited me into his family plan, so I guess I have it now. The emulation definitely needs work, but it at least gives me an excuse to try out the original Sin & Punishment.
I just did the opposite. I canceled. And its expired lol. My kid don't play his switch anymore since he's older now, and the rest of my friends are gonna have to pay their own now haha
@@redbeardnj And I'm gonna get into emulation since their are so many games I feel like Nintendo are never going to release again like Axelay and Mischief Makers. I really would've liked to play them on Switch too.
I honestly think this service is bad, but I'm also on a family plan and not the person paying, so it doesn't matter. But it's still sad that playing emulators on PC is still more viable for me, at the moment.
@@kelp7060 n64 emus used to be trash, but they've gotten really good recently. Even some of the Android ones are great now. I use M64plus on my s9+ and its pretty dang good!
I was so excited about the service. I was really excited to get going. I have not been able to get into any game. Every game just feels off. I had quite the opposite experience with star fox. I can cruise through that game without much issue and I died so many times because the joystick sensitivity just felt wrong. I really really regret the purchase of the service.
@@Banjoisawesome I've been playing Banjo on my switch the past few years, for free and works better than Nintendos crap official emulator. I'm sorry you'll be paying for this, but at least you'll be having fun when you can play Banjo again.
@@glimpus You can only use online by having emuMMC. That way they don't ban you. You don't lose anything other than the ability to play with others. They're not going to take your games away.
@@glimpus Yes EmuMMC will allow you to play the Switch offline mode and then you switch back to the sysMMC to play online with your account! I unfortunately softmodded mine before EmuMMC was in place :(
Consumer goodwill toward Nintendo does appear to rapidly evaporating and for good reason. Their free pass for continuous poor treatment of their customers, wringing them for every penny possible with fairly low value proposition in comparison to their competitors, is hopefully coming to an end. All the best and keep up the great videos!
Not really... Wii U was the EXCEPTION, NOT the rule. As long as their consoles are competent with quality first party titles, then they will still profit. Yeah, the NVIDIA chip was outdated even when the Switch launched, but the software ensured it wouldn't matter.
So for me, even with the emulation issues, the expansion pass makes sense for my group of friends cuz we have 7 people on a family plan, most of whom want the Animal Crossing DLC, so we are essentially all paying an extra $6 per person for what would be $25 per person without. People online generally have the attitude of "but you lose it if you cancel your subscription," and my thought is that I doubt any of us are gonna be playing the new animal crossing stuff after a 2nd full year of AC. I also seriously doubt that ACNH dlc will be the only dlc included with the pass. If I'm wrong, we can go back to the old plan next year. At this point the promise of portable Banjo Kazooie, og Majora's Mask, and Paper Mario are just bonuses for me. I have a hard time justifying the solo price, but a group with the family plan is very reasonable.
I am hoping Nintendo makes drastic improvements for this service on the next generation console,we will have to wait and see. I personally would rather see GameCube, wii and wii u games on a service like this. N64 games just do not look good in 2021 ,nes,snes games hold up well enough to be enjoyed by many old school gamers I suppose. I just can not see myself enjoying older games as much as others do.
Paying subscription to play roms is a bad idea. I already chose my path years ago. I have an N64 with the games I want to play. And I don't trade it for anything.
1:49 that's my big problem with emulation--it gives brand new players the impression that old games were just garbage. Nintendo's never been known for caring enough to get emulation right, either on their minis or virtual console, etc.
@@magicowlofbacon9416 Nintendo has all the spec sheets and capabilities to produce better emulation than those that have had to painstakingly reverse engineer the console. There is no excuse beyond sheer unwillingness to make a quality product.
Hope you enjoy it. Nintendo also made a Master Quest version of the game. But they already stated that they were unsure if they are going to make it available through the service or not. The game is a lot more difficult than the original game considering the screen is purposely flipped. They also think that a majority of the playerbase would not like it. It was made available to play natively through a bonus disc that they made for the Nintendo GameCube. The original game is also included on there as well. Nintendo already made Ocerina of Time run with good frame rates, maybe, but I guess that they are planning on not using it.
In the last 15 years of the video game industry I hoped we would have learned by now early adoption is exactly that. Adopting the earliest version of something that will ultimately (hopefully) get better. Thanks for the heads up Glenn but I still plan to up my service because I know it has to get getter so I’m trusting it will. Looking forward to future coverage from you as things progress (hopefully for the better!)
Not played it online, but I played through Yoshi's story this morning and loved it. It was my first N64 game I got when I was ten and it holds very special memories to me. I remember my Mum taking me to Ex Electrical to buy the console after about a year of saving and doing odd jobs. That may over ride me noticing things, but can't say I noticed any issue with controls and emulation. I really enjoyed it. Again, this is all I have tried from it! But my initial reaction based on that is a positive one. I should mention that I got this as part of a group plan where I pay just 10 pounds a year now. This is less than I was paying for a standard individual plan, so can't complain really. For full price? I am not sure that I would have signed up straight away though. They should offer monthly for those that just want to play a few choice games for a while. Or, just not hiked the price so much.
The NSO Expansion is actually what compelled me to finally get into emulation. Since they released this service, I have played at least 100 old Nintendo games, plus PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, etc. It was really a blessing in disguise. I even just taught my girlfriend how to emulate too on her tablet. I am happy I didn't buy the expansion, but even more happy it got me into emulating and having a far better experience at no cost. No more hunting through all the local used game stores only to find the old game I want to play for just a few minutes is $80, and no more blowing on cartridges!!!!
@@n64glennplant Thats the one bit I've not tried yet - and probably won't use! I didn't have much time to spend on it, however it was better than I expected - but maybe thats a reflection on not expecting much tbh! I'm at the stage where I want easy gaming - setting the n64 was always a faff.
@@n64glennplant The pricing does seem off though - I said I'd do a year and see how it goes. If they don't add much content, then I won't miss knocking it on the head in 12months
I purchased this, and I haven't had this much buyer's remorse in years. The launch lineup is super limited, there's no customizability in display or controls (stick inversion in Starfox), no online with strangers.... It's so much worse than I thought possible. The only saving grace is the family plan allowing me and a few friends to play the Animal Crossing expansion without purchasing separately... Though I almost wish I'd just done that. This is without a doubt the greediest money grab I've seen from a video game company in years, and I'm ashamed I supported this.
Even with the animal crossing I thought they would include the full game for free. I never played that and I would have tried it if it was free to see what’s the hype. It’s just a dlc so I was like is the price 50 just because of animal crossing?
I got the expansion pack myself. Honestly, since I don't have an N64 (Maybe I'll get one in the future), the expansion pack is helping me get excited to play retro games. I only just found out that the NSO version of SM64 has the BLJ, so I've been getting into 16 star speedrunning. The service is FAR from perfect, there are still many problems like with the button mapping and input lag on certain games, but I'm actually glad I got it. I never play the Genesis games though. I already have the Genesis collection on PS3.
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The Sega genesis games makes no sense. You can literally get them on Steam for way cheaper. First party Nintendo games definitely should be part of the standard pack, and then add licensed games on expansion pack. Or maybe just ditch all of this and get back the Miiverse and the eShop.
This is why I'll just stick to my PC with emulators installed with a vast library of games, even then there's ways you can play roms online without a subscription fee I mean OOT online is a thing lol nintendo behind as always.
I got the Expansion Pack and played a bit of Ocarina of Time and blasted through the first dungeon. For me, as someone who is excited for the Animal Crossing DLC and is in a Family Plan with other users/Switches that will play the DLC, there is value in the Expansion Pack for me. But, I can see why some people are dismayed with the price. I didn't grow up with an N64 and I have never done complete playthroughs of Ocarina, Super Mario 64, or Starfox 64, all of which I owned on the Wii VC (and the 3DS remakes). Personally, I am excited to have these games and more N64 games to come on the Switch, as I just love the form factor and convenience of the console. I'm not that interested in the N64 online multiplayer, but it's a bummer to hear your comments about it being semi-unplayable. Hopefully, it can be improved in the future. As far as Genesis/MD, I normally wouldn't go out of my way to own those games (aside from Sonic 2), but as an added bonus to the DLC and N64, I'm excited to try out some classics like Castlevania: Bloodlines and Phantasy Star IV. I would have preferred Gameboy games rather than Genesis, but hopefully those will come eventually as was rumored prior to the NSO Expansion announcement.
There's value for me as well. I never grew up with the N64 and Genesis and now I can play them. Also that means I don't have to go buy hundreds of dollars just to buy the consoles and the games for both of them. I am not all that interested in the multiplayer all that much to be honest. I just got for playing classic games and the Animal Crossing DLC. I can see some people frustrations about it, I understand it but you can't make people happy all the time and hopefully Nintendo will fix the issues very soon.
Although I’ve been longing to play OoT on a big screen.... 1) I have zero desire for sega games 2)couldn’t even get the controller for 64 games 3) do not play animal crossing. 4) the N64 games are way too few. I was so excited after the original direct and I was wanting to upgrade to a family pass and get the expansion. I’m kinda glad now that I couldn’t get the controller. The price is horrible for what you get ( or don’t get, I should say). I’ll just stick to the 3ds xl to play Zelda. Or my laptop.
@@joshernsteen2066 I had a wii, but life was too busy for me back then and I also couldn’t get used to the motion controls so I never really used it. And didn’t quite understand about the wii shop and such. I didn’t really get back into gaming until the past few years after my kids became adults. Money and time were tight.
I missed the release, then saw the video, thought it could not be so horrible, downloaded the program itself and noped out quickly when I saw the price.
I’m just sick of these companies trying to push “renting” games, instead of buying. The day that becomes a thing is the day I am done with these companies. I don’t rent.
I have an N64 plus an everdrive, so there was never much incentive for me to pay the premium price to upgrade. N64 should have just been part of the 20 dollar a year tier. To make 60 dollars a worthy price, maybe add games from the last 10 years to the service, add more free DLC passes besides just Animal Crossing, add Pokemon Home for free, and most importantly, have actually good online services. It's no skin off my butt what they do since I can play N64 the way God intended. I just hate to think what this is gonna do for peoples impression of N64 games. Some people are going to be playing these games for the first time on NSO and that is embarrassing.
I got it last night and honestly I am pretty happy so far. I don't have a ton of online friends so I haven't played any online multi-player yet so that may be part of why I am not disappointed. I was surprised by how many genesis games I didn't already have in other collections. Also $50 bucks a year is still the cheaper than many of the competitions online plans.
What you're seeing graphically is probably just the contrast between HD rendering and all the low-quality models and textures. The high resolution brings out the details really nicely on high-detail and/or distant objects, but when things get too close, they look just as rough as ever. Plus, most HUD elements and such are made specifically for 240p output, so they look really pixellated compared to everything else.
@@n64glennplant I won't defend the controls, but try to hold off judgement on the graphics until you've spent some time with Rare's games in HD. I can't remember if you've played the Xbox 360 versions of Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, but it'll be pretty close to those- provided they don't butcher the emulation, anyway. Kirby 64 should look nice, too. :)
I do have to say, it's hilarious (in a good way) that you can see the other players screens in 4p mode. GoldenEye screen-look-cheating accusations will be rampant
Its absolutely baffling that we finally have N64 online but the view is locked to a quarter of the screen. What monkey paw crap is this? At least make it a toggle for the purists
Why is it when I have the original Nintendo online subscription it’s 20$, and when I go to upgrade it’s charging me 46$!? It should be 35$ and then next year when it updates it would be the full 50$.Idk if anyone else has this issue
ive not heard of that issue, I know it was supposed to be pro Rota cost if you're an existing moment but this was a new pack on the new switch OLED for me. ive pinned this comment to see if anyone else can help you
Thank you I appreciate that, also appreciate the review, I was going to dive into it but came across your insights and decided to hold off until they fix the issues and add more titles
I think ( please correct me if I am wrong) if you already had a nso subscription then you get it upgraded to the expansion and you pay for a full year( until october 2022) 50$ minus the amount that gets discounted for the remaining of your original nso plan, so you get the 46.
There's an explenation on how much is taken off the subscription based on how many days you have left i have like 5 months left on the previous subscription so i payed 30 for it, read the terms it should be there.
I was really excited to get zelda on my big screen again. As soon as I loaded it up and used the joycons I instantly was ready to turn it off. Absolutely horrible controls. I have a few pro controllers, while there is still slight input delay the controls were worlds apart from the joycons to just a regular 3rd party wireless pro controller. Way better without joycons in every aspect. I do feel the suspend saves are an easy cop out to never lose, but its always been part of the emulated service.
Thanks Glenn, its inexcusable Nintendo are doing this. I for one am going to hack the switch when i can be bothered to get around to it so i can finally use the system for what i bought it for -to be a portable retro gaming machine.
@@gregutz4284 I don't mind paying, they had a great system before with the virtual console. I'd happily use that, the thing is the switch has a gimmick which makes those retro games very appealing again. But not the way they are doing it, having to wait 4 years to play 9 n64 games and being forced to pay for animal crossing dlc and mega drive games. Never played animal crossing in my life and i have already bought a mega drive game collection thing on switch. the drip feed is a joke aswell. The switches online has just been lame from the off, lets not pretend otherwsie.
Thank you for the review! Your take on N64 emulation ranks very high IMO, so I am glad you decided to let us know your thoughts on it. Given what we're seeing here, I feel there are much better options out there right now to play/replay these games.
I’ve been playing Zelda all night and having a blast, but I’ve been playing with the pro controller, and I haven’t had issues with Link steering to the right. There is a tiny bit of input lag but I’ve gotten used to that on the Wii U already. Aiming is so much easier now, far less sensitive compared to the Wii U gamepad. Mario 64 and Mario Tennis work fine too. Haven’t tried the other games yet. There is still room for improvement though. Give them some time to update and add more games, grab a pro controller and maybe you’ll have a better time.
I having a blast too mate, my only concern is the B - A button mapping, I would like to have it in the original position as the original 64 controller.
The Switch era of Nintendo has definitely been my least favorite. I guess the failure of the Wii U has sort of traumatized them and now they just make baffling decision after baffling decision over and over, but as you said, hit ‘em’ where it hurts, their wallets.
Sad that the switch has been their best selling console then to the point where (after analytics and profit released) they dont even know what to do with their profits anymore (read that in some article hope im wrong)
Meh. I personally love the expansion pack and am looking forward to more content being added over time. For me, it's a great deal. I get far more value out of Nintendo's online than I do Sony's, yet it literally costs less than 14¢ (USD) per day.
I bought it this morning very reluctantly…and being a die hard N64 and Mega Drive fan I spent £34ish for upgrade up front (I thought it was going to be a monthly payment). In short, it’s horrible. Just horrible. The controls on almost every game feel completely unnatural and inverted…it tells you to press a certain button to see the controls but from what I can see (again this was just before work) it didn’t have any function to alter the controls. So that means I have to buy the N64 controller? For £50? Nintendo have taken SO much of my money over the years and this is one the first times I have felt completely and utterly ripped off. I’m going to ATTEMPT to get my money back in some way, I’m sure this will never happen but hey ho. This is hands down the worst online service provided and when you look at what Microsoft is doing, Nintendo should actually be ashamed of themselves, capitalising on players they KNOW who will blindly buy this with rose tinted glasses. And I was one of them. Thanks Nintendo. I might genuinely go and treat myself to an Xbox Series X because of this.
Makes sense about the analog stick. The N64 analog stick has a very small deadzone, such that you could rotate all angles in Mario 64 without even moving from one spot. It's really hard for a lot of modern analog sticks to match that quality. I know the switch joycons have a small amount of travel too so I bet its extra sensitive. I imagine they lowered the interpolation quality for the music audio, which makes it pretty tinny. I cant remember the exact method the N64 used, whether it was nearest, linear, cubic, or sinc. But I dont think it's nearest since that is very tinny, nor was it as advanced as sinc interpolation. So in my head it must have been linear or slightly better. I do own a switch, but since I own a flash cart, retrotink 2x, and a brawler 64, I already have these games (and more) playable. So I don't need an extra service for them.
I've been playing Nintendo 64 since its release in 1996 and I currently own a pvm monitor and my original system. Seeing as the N64 is one of my favorite systems of all time I had to try the online service. Thank you for uploading this video so quickly as I was looking forward to your opinions. Hopefully Nintendo will have an update that will fix some of these issues sooner than later.
Sadly, people are blowing some sound and graphical hitches beyond all proportion, and highlighting input lag and stuttering online when playing with people who have bad or unstable connections. It's all people can talk about, never mind that games look sharper, better and brighter visually or that we now have fully portable, and online capable N64 games. You have to dig really hard to find level-headed, balanced criticism online at the moment
I already knew that there were problems with this service, but I didn't realize how much worse they actually are. Perhaps yet just wouldn't make sense to spend this extra money. I mean I was actually expecting the price to be $30 per year since all they really did was just add N64 and Genesis games without actually improving other things are adding other things to the online service besides that. I'd love to see them bring back Super Mario 35 as an incentive considering how so many people actually played that game back when it was free before they just took down the game. Although to be honest I wouldn't mind them just charging like $5 to $10 for people to permanently buy Super Mario 35 cuz I'm pretty sure people would be okay with that. Countless people were playing that game.
Its great to see a big Nintendo fan like you being this honest in this,others youtubers would(and they will)give excuses and try to say that the price isnt that expensive and that things are good and stuff..I have most Nintendo consoles(even a Switch) and the online service its terrible in comparation with the rivals,but was just 20€ a year so kinda wortwhile to try it at least once,but with this giante price increase its not worthwhile at all.
I had every intention of upgrading my Switch online membership but I'm currently away on a trip to York for a few days, and I don't have my Switch with me, so I've not had chance yet. After watching this I think I'll give it a miss. It's a real shame as I was looking forward to playing OoT and Banjo Kazooie again, but if they're not up to scratch I'd rather leave it and see what, if anything, Nintendo do about it. I'm so glad you posted this, though, as I appreciate you saving me the money and the frustration.
@@n64glennplant I'm gobsmacked this series has managed to pass me by! Such a fan of the point and click genre, specifically games like Monkey Island II and Day Of The Tentacle, so I'll have to look into Broken Sword for sure! I feel disappointed in myself as a classic gamer for having missed these 😅
Thanks for the review. I was expecting 50hz versions tbh. I won't be purchasing as a result of your appraisal and will wait and see if there are any improvements. Keep us updated!
@@n64glennplant thanks Glenn. Great content as always. I'll stick to my old Panasonic crt and discoloured aqua, multiregion N64 for the time being. I'm getting a bit annoyed with Ninty's decision making lately but all will be forgiven when I get my hands on Shin Megami Tensei 5.
The price for NSO over here in the UK is £35. That sounds good, but when you convert it into US dollars, £35 is roughly $48. I’m gonna wait a bit longer to see what other N64 and Genesis games get added and maybe I’ll consider getting it.
Hi Glenn, thanks for the video. I do agree, when I saw the price I was in shock. I'm a huge N64 fan but knew when I saw the announcement of the service that it wouldn't be good. I love them but Nintendo seem to do the bear minimum with re-release type things (like mario 3d all stars for example) I wish they'd put a bit more care and love into things like this.
I've been playing the N64 games for 3 days now, about 2 hours a day, and I've had virtually no issues. The only slight complaint I've had is a VERY slight frame rate drop when I started Ocarina of Time back up from a suspension slot, and it lasted about 2 seconds. No other issues before or since then, no issues with controls for OoT, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64 or Star Fox 64, no frame drops, everything is working just fine for me.
@@n64glennplant I may be among the minority here, but I've gotten up to Death Mountain with lots of stops in between since the beginning of OoT, and I've only had the one stutter when I loaded the suspended file. But I only had 3 or 4 devices connected to the WiFi, maybe having too many devices at one time could cause it? I dunno, my dude.
Thank you for posting this video. The experience is quite shoddy. I only payed fo it because the service was offered to me at a major discount. Automatic renewal will be regular price, of course. The price will make it uncertain that I would pay again, and I certainly won't if they do not add online play with randos. That is what I usually do on my Switch.
I was hesitant from the very beginning because I have been learning to stay away from most remakes/re releases/ remasters of games because its always best to play them in the original format they were made to be played on.
I paid for this last night and I love it. The controls don't bother me much and I know they'll add more titles to the 64 & the Sega. I'll have fun playing Mario Tennis and Mario Kart 64 with my friends. I'm easy to please, I don't need any old school joysticks, I can figure it out.
@@n64glennplant I feel you, but I don't play online. I just play with my friends when they come over. I'm also not a huge gamer. I think this is perfect for a person who doesn't play much like me.
_But if you have a buddy who has the service and didn't buy the controller, do get it._ Very useful for PC emulation due to Bluetooth support, battery lasts a while and RetroArch with Parsec is a far more reliable netplay option. As for how they could just improve their emulators in general, very simple. Free games remain free when subscribed, but when not subscribed, they're all available for purchase. This would be through a shop icon they can add on the emulators' menus. And for developers who want to opt in their old games and would prefer individualized sale, it encourages more games to be added regularly. And if you want netplay with them, you can just buy the regular NSO service. If I want to complement Nintendo's side, the $20 a year still has online, but the N64 and Mega Drive emulators don't get their free games, but can still have accessible shop icons on their emulators so that you can choose what to buy and use your existing NSO subscription to play them online. But hey, I suppose I should stop myself well I'm ahead. That sounds way too practical for Nintendo.
I bought it the minute it came out and I've been enjoying it immensely. My kids and I have been enjoying winback, starfox, and Zelda. I haven't noticed any issues. They play the exact same way they did when I was a kid (save the controller layouts). I prefer the pro controller so getting to play my favorite games on a more preferable controller is awesome. Winback is definitely playable. I don't know why you would tell people it isn't.
@@n64glennplant I would have to disagree with you. Headshots aren't necessary to win this game. They aren't even something I would advise aiming for. There is a lock on feature that works perfectly well. If it's not your cup of tea that's one thing, but saying the game is unplayable seems disingenuous to me. The game works just as intended and just as well as it did years ago.
The default controller set up is a pain. I plugged the gamecube controller in for Oot and then became furious to find that Z wasn't mapped to L. With the gamecube controller you can't physically remap the buttons like the normal controllers
After 2 years Nintendo added 23 more games. Still no widescreen options (similar to Goldeneye) still no way to change those borders, and limited button mapping. (Can’t map the C buttons to other buttons) What are your thoughts 2 years later?
Stopped using it after a few weeks, have real hardware which I prefer over nintendos lacklustre emulation efforts on switch. Hopefully one day they’ll put some effort into their back catalogue
in 60hz mode star fox runs too fast, this was the same issue with the Wii and Wii U versions. I'll stick to my RGB modded n64. Nintendo got my money but next time no way, this was a really poor effort from them. They should have got M2 to do the ports and give us lots of options.
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Wait, people DONT want the animal crossing dlc? How come? Just curious I'm out of the loop
When they are forced into getting this pack just to access it they don’t, i perhaps didn’t make it clear enough in my explanation that’s what I was getting at. That’s my autistic ass for ya 🤣
Some of us don't own the game and aren't interested. I don't know what's so difficult to understand
You can just buy it instead of renting it
@@turtleanton6539 You don't understand Why is the ACNH pack in the expansion if people don't have the game that is what one of the reasons people are not getting this.
@@n64glennplant ah, I see. Yeah, I thought getting the n64 expansion along with the animal crossing dlc would be a good idea, but ill just go ahead and buy it separately.
But then again, it's cheaper if you just get the nintendo expansion, so I don't know what the heck to do.
Thanks for putting the service through the paces for us. The price alone made me hesitant to get the expansion, but after your analysis, I definitely agree that it's not worth it.
its a big WAIT for now, maybe things will improve
@@n64glennplant tbh if they had paper mario or a mario party at launch i could see 40
@@FatJesusHangry I couldn't. There shouldn't be a price increase at all without an improvement to the service. The service itself is terrible, and that's what we're paying for.
@@Droogie128 I agree. It's a subscription after all. There'd have to be a MASSIVE improvement to ask for a higher price... Which is what Nintendo claimed when they showcased the Expansion Pack.
@@Droogie128 tbh base service isn't bad the new stuff isn't worth the price
I was already not a fan of this expansion pack and hearing about the emulation issues with this service pretty much confirmed that I am not missing anything. Great video, Glenn!
Thanks mario kart hero!
There are only 8 games. Of course you're not missing much 😆
In a year when those underlying issues are fixed and games catalog have expanded for both N64 and Genesis/Mega Drive, it then may be worth a look. Maybe.
@@FernandoDCDuarte That would actually mean that Nintendo would have to do work. We all know they won't.
@@n64glennplant LOL.
Criticism that no one can buy it → Buy it for review → Criticism as the viewer wants.
Even though the video contributor originally had no intention of complimenting the expansion pack.
If you're not interested, ignore it.
If you understand the contents and buy it, but criticize the contents, is the screw on your head broken?
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
What a person feels is free.
But don't impose your values on others.
It's great to earn views and high ratings just by criticizing!
@@n64glennplant I was never much of a fan of emulation in most cases. Not because of so-called "piracy concerns", but because of graphical artifacts and in some cases, sound glitches not present in original hardware.
Good thing I repaired my N64
Pulled mine out yesterday and played some Perfect Dark
That’s the best way to play still my a country mile isn’t it 😄
I love N64 games but playing a 240p resolution game on a 55 inch tv ain't pretty. At that point I just play them on my OG modded xbox at 480 or 720p they look amazing. And play great. But playing 3d games on n64 is a rough experience. Only I would do it on a CRT
@@n64glennplant N64 games on a nice Sony Trinitron or a PVM is still as good as it gets as far as retro games go for me, N64 looks great @ 240p with scanlines, it looks even beter @ 480i (unlike the 16Bit consoles which look better @ 240p), Perfect Dark for instance has a cheat code to enable 480i but the FPS tanks, which is why I am really looking forward to the N64 Mister FPGA core, which will alow native 480i hopefully @ full speed FPS, on a 4:3 display via RGB scart it will be amazing, I bet it will look incredible on a PVM/BVM or an arcade monitor, 480i & scanlines with native lag free N64 gamplay will be perfection for me, another console which really benifits from 480i is the PS1, just that as it does on N64 the FPS tanks when forced @ 480i, so also waiting on the PS1 Mister core as well. Of course the Mister will probalby enable higher resolutions than 480i, but that's the top resolution of the average SD 4:3 CRT, and that is all I am really interested in playing the N64 on, 480i is the seet spot for N64 & PS1 imo.
Unfortunately, my ex stole my N64 and many of my games. I’m not even mad about the financial angle of it; I’m upset about how many memories come from those games and I can’t play them anymore.
This made me start emulating. Thank you Nintendo, you got me to play all my old favorites
Congratulations on your freedom. Ive been emulating for many years. And all these programs Nintendo online are churning out are pretty much emulators too, except they are badly made with stolen code. Best way to play classic games, other their original platform or with a flashcart, is to play on a PC emulator with a USB controller.
Like i play GameCube on dolphin with a USB 4 port and an original controller. All on my laptop. Same with Gameboy advance, psp, ps1, n64. And with my dslite i have a r4 flashcart (got a gba flashcart on my wishlist, will have it by December) and my 3ds has CFW so ive filled it with games from nes/snes to gba/ds. And of course select 3ds titles. I have a wiiu with CFW as well that i use to play Zelda BOTW. And two CFW PS3s that i rarely use nowadays and only have cause ps3 emulation isnt that good especially on my laptop.
Dont let these big companies milk your nostalgia for money if they arnt gonna put the necessary effort into the product. Especially when there are free alternatives that are better and have had years of effort and improvement.
I feel the lure to go down the same path. I see some pretty amazing emulations for OoT 3DS. Looks stunning.
I have been keeping up with the mounting problems with the Expansion Pack. This shows that Nintendo did the equivalent of "putting the cart before the horse" and just dumped the ROMs "as is" without double-checking for errors.
That makes exactly what they did 🙃
Putting the cartridge before the horse.... I'll see myself out.
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 cartridge before the ports?
As a real hardware enthusiast I know this kind of service isn't for me but witnessing Nintendo dropping the ball so badly across the board lately has been so sad that they might as well be just another greedy tech giant rather than the last bastion of the old guard.
From one hardware enthusiast to another - they be properly effed this switch service up big time. Let’s stick to what works 🤣
Accept it, friend: they *are* just another greedy tech company.
64's my favorite console, but I'm honestly done supporting Nintendo.
And sadly, I'm actually seeing people defend it/claiming the input lag "doesn't exist" etc. - the post-purchase rationalization is incredibly strong with Nintendo fanboys.
they have been a greedy tech giant for a while....
@@AlquimistEd they have been since the Famicom. I don't get why people act like this is anything new, or how Iwata's or Reggie's presence made any difference.
Anyone can do a quick jog through Nintendo's legal and corporate history and see nothing has changed.
From a lifelong Nintendo fan, this expansion pack really felt like a giant kick in the nuts.
Yes, they lied about banjo kazooie.
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@@soulmeta8469 love banjo but its annoying to play
yes. a shotgun blast in the nuts.
No. It’s like a nice cannonball in the nuts
The increased price is absolutely ridiculous, especially when most N64 emulators can offer a far better experience. I appreciate that Nintendo are trying to get these great games to a wider audience, but honestly I can't see many of their fans bothering. The main draw of NSO was the online features, this upgrade just tacks on two emulators and DLC for one game that most Switch owners probably don't have.
this should have all been in the NSO price, forget the mega drive games which nobody wants and boom they then had full control over price and it didn't cost them anything extra.
Well I'm sure a whole ton of Switch owners have Animal Crossing. It did incredibly well. It's a shit dlc though imo
@@thebigbean8783 but you have to realize that a third of all switch owners isn’t everyone. I like to make the comparison of you want to buy a cookie at a convenience store(N64 games). This cookie is delicious and cost effective. Suddenly you now have to buy this cookie with an expensive salad that a lot of people like but you don’t(animal crossing dlc). Would you be happy? Of course not
It's 80$ for something that's free if you use an emulator, lol. Imagine being such a fan boy that you see nothing wrong with that.
@@andreivaldez2929 Imagine being a thief and thinking you're entitled to a game because it's old! Everyone publisher is selling their old stuff. You act like this is a Nintendo thing only
As we all know, Nintendo will milk everything they can with their classics. They know outside emulators are hard to stop so they figure why not make money out of it instead. I get it, however, if you're going to put it out there then do it for the fans. Make the expansion experience worth it. They didn't even include most of the games and I know why. They are thinking of remakes. First, they screwed up on the Zelda anniversary, then they kept quiet about Switch pro and released OLED (milking it) instead; Skyward Sword Amiibo? and now this expansion pack. Why did they time the Mario Collection? Also, their first party titles never rarely drop below $30 (sale). None of this equates to them even listening/hearing it out from their fan base. Oh and any fanmade games/items will be taken down quickly. I love Nintendo games, but will never defend their greed. Their business strategy has not broke yet, so they won't fix it.
Thank you for the honest review. I signed up for the “Expansion pack” mainly for the ACHN content. Having 3 family members that want the ACNH content at $24.99 each signing up for a $79.99 family pack (they pro rated to $76.99 for the existing time I had left on my year) it was a no brainer for me. I’ve got a 5 year old who will love Mario 64, Mario kart 64, and Sonic 2 because she loves the games and doesn’t know any better that there are graphics flaws. They got my money for this year’s round of antics.
Very good points there!
I miss the old Virtual Console.
Plus Nintendo have always been weak with their online gaming stuff.
Id take VC over this any day
No VC made me sell my switch for an Android based handheld
@@n64glennplant While VC was also a rip off, at least it was consistent.
@@Dw7freak Might as well build a cheap pc. You can just play Nintendo stuff on it. And shop for your roms (pirate their roms).
@@Trepidateousflesh I have a mid-high end PC, but I try not to pirate if I can help it, even if Jim Sterling said it was okay.
When Nintendo catches up and gives me the basics that have been in play in online gaming since ‘06 I’ll buy in. I need messaging, achievements and at least a private chat system. I can’t justify buying this without having the basics of online functionality.
I know exactly how you feel
You mean 2002. Xbox live launched with more features than NSO offers.
It's Nintendo... Even though most of their playerbase is 30 years old and above they still operate under the premise that's it's a family or kids console thats why they will never implement simple features the rest of the gaming world has already done for years... If it wasn't for the select few Nintendo ips I would never buy a Nintendo console ever again they are just so behind on everything.
@@joemama-cf7sj my Steam Deck will completely replace my Switch. I haven't even touched my Switch since March. Tired of their anti-consumer BS.
@@Droogie128 you mean mid 90s where you could play Diablo and text chat with your friends whilst playing.
Hey Glenn. I think the increased high end in the sound is likely due to the switch having enough CPU power to output at 48kHz sample rate.
N64 often had to compress the audio to a lower sample rate, I've heard audio processing was shared with graphics processing on the system and that's why multiplayer often cut or decreased the quality of the music.
You can do a quick wiki for Nyquist rate if you're interested in how sample rates work!
Very useful to know !
Speaking from a Die hard N64 fan POV N64 is the 1st console i owned at 4 years old now at almost 30 with kids of my own i want to share the experience with but the lack of shortage problems due to scalpers and Nintendo not having the foresight really grind my gears i had to button map my joy cons just to play the N64 another point i would like to make is that the price increase does not justify a mediocre online gaming experience in 2021 with the most basic of functions such a sending a text message to a friend on your friend list or to download more streaming apps besides hulu such as Netflix, Spotify, Disney+, Hbo Max, etc. To put things in a financial point of view my subscription dose not end until 5/15/21 yet i only got an abysmal 10$ discount this is unfortunate since i had a 100$ in Eshop funds and thanks to the ridiculous steep price increase i only have 58$ in my account...sad i really was hoping i was gonna have enough $ for the new GTA trilogy or Pokemon Diamond now... Guess i just have to donate some blood or sperm.. or an organ
As far as the game selection goes i would've personally preffererd to buy each game individually instead of waiting hoping i get something good in the next update. Also Winback and all the games plz include more options i had the inverted controls looking left and right its insanity dont get me wrong i like my brain to be challenged but i feel mentally challenged trying to adjust to non modern comtrols i hope they fix this issue with golden eye which will inevitably come out
@Walther Penne The N64 doesn't have a DSP either; RSP's SIMD instructions are reused for audio sampling. The N64 temporarily suspends the rendering display list, does a bit of audio, then goes back to filling the framebuffer.
Nintendo siendo un usurero, codicioso, ladrón, estafador, chupasangre y avaro con el cobro de 64.
I was definitely waiting to hear some feedback on the service and no one I'm subscribed to is more fitted to comment on it than you
Considering Nintendo can't seem to do more than half-ass backwards compatibility of their legacy content, I can't say I'm surprised. Too bad, I was looking forward to an Ocarina run this fall
Yeah it’s so weird that I don’t think I could actually go through playing OOT on the service it’s that poor
You know it's a sad state of affairs when the SELLING POINT of this service is the online multiplayer and it doesn't WORK all that well.
And you know what, BIG props to you for spreading the word around. Heck... The newbies deserve to have a great experience like we did when WE were younger ya know?
It also doesn't help that you have to go ALL IN with this one. You can't just get N64 or JUST SEGA Genesis an pay a smaller fee overall. "All or nothing" is the name of the game and I'm not too hot on that when it comes to this service update and the current price point.
Remember when Nintendo's online was _free_ for years and even during the first year of the Switch? I do.
And don’t forget you can get the normal subscription on a monthly or quarterly plan but this is 12 months only
You know how at the end of Man on the Moon, Jim Carrey's Andy Kaufman breaks out into laughter after seeing that his life saving treatment is nothing more than a scam? Well, that's pretty much my reaction as well when I laid down the money for this last night.
DEEP BRO! - great movie though right !
That was a great movice.
It's honestly unforgivable to me that my Wii and WiiU are stocked with an amazing list of BC games and Nintendo decided to forego most of that with the Switch. Always too little too late with them nowadays.
we need some GB on the service for free I think!
@@n64glennplant GB would be badass. Maybe include some of the expensive ones like they did on 3DS.
GBC and GBA would be even better. I picked up several GBA titles on WiiU VC years ago and they were brilliant! In fact, I should go buy a few more like Aria or Sorrow and Metroid Zero Mission before they close the store.
I did get a GBA this year, but some of the games I want are just too expensive. 😔
No we need Gamecube so we can play Melee on the switch, if they actually put GameCube on the switch for 50, I would actually pay that price, although, GBA games would awesome.
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Having ol' iterations of a title still supported by the company today doesn't seem likely to happen truly;
_Specially_ Melee, seeing how supportive and hardcore the fanbase.
Hear me out: It would most likelly attract Melee players to the console (if done right) but even if they're enough to be cuantificable, there's still the problem with "outshining" modern SSBs.
I can't wait for the Digital Foundry teardown of this whole mess.
haha im eagerly awaiting that and modern vintage gamer
@@n64glennplant Mistakes were made.
@@chalkitdowm haha
@@chalkitdowm
Is that a Sealab 2021 reference, as I've been assuming?
I’ve still got my old N64, and yet I was still thinking of getting this service.
Not any more.
You just saved me a few quid 👌🏼
Save your money or put it towards a Everdrive cart and a old Crt
This is why I wait and watch some reviews before committing to getting something like this. I was excited to play OOT again, which is a game myself and my brother who died in Afghanistan used to play together when we were younger. Appreciate the honesty! I won't be wasting money on this, and I hope Nintendo sees how big of a flop this "extra" content is with a lack of subscribers....
Sorry to hear of your loss fella. This service wouldn’t be bringing back any happy memories trust me
Sorry for your loss dude.
Hi Glenn! Been a fan for a few years now and I must say I totally agree with your suggestion to skip the service. What got me interested was the announcement of a wireless N64 controller made by Nintendo. I was hoping that Nintendo would start assembling Nintendo 64 controllers for the Switch AND for those who still play on original hardware, but sadly that was not the case. So on top of paying more for the service, you have to pay 50 Dollars American for the controller. It's just bad all around. Great video!
"Stock controller" as in the Joycons? Yeah... The analog sticks on each aren't comfortable in general lmao. The way they're designed are for portability rather than accuracy. But even then if you want to upgrade to a Pro Controller (a massive upgrade), I hope you do it for other Switch games (like I did for Splatoon 2 - totally worth it cause I always come back at it) rather than playing the classic ones. There are other options for emulation besides that console after all... Alternatives that don't require a subscription.
Something that surprised me about the Switch's internet is Modern Vintage Gamer's finding that Ethernet possibly won't give you faster connection, due the shared bandwidth with the console's USB C video and audio, and the other USB ports. He talks in detail on his OLED review.
Imo Nintendo is trying a bit too hard on offering expensive options... Like why else would they bundle N64, Genesis, and other games' DLC (who says it's only gonna be Animal Crossing) all in one subscription? That killed my interest on even trying lmao... I was really looking forward to playing online - even with mediocre connectivity, but I don't have an income to throw money at what I already knew is a subpar offering. I can't really think of any of my friends who are willing to do the same - only one of them (apparently) is in an good financial situation, and he doesn't want to try.
exactly, the ethernet port and wifi chip just done work as they should do when compared to other consoles.
@@n64glennplant I mean, regarding to this video, I agree. I assume emulation wouldn't leave room for coding a better online experience (unless you're Kaze), so we're bound to the hardware's limitations.
That being said, if internet was bad, I wouldn't had spent nearly 1.2k hrs on Splatoon 2 lmao I am a somewhat demanding gamer as well.
yes, stock controllers are the ones that come with the system.
I'm not a fan of the joy cons at all enless in handheld mode. Trying to play metroid dread in docked mode with the joy con grip is horrible. They feel cheap and the L and R buttons are a clicky mess. Need to get me a pro controller
@@Thefortniteproyx Yeah my joycons haven't really been detached from the console since I got the Pro controller. Only exception I can remember was when I tried one of the Arms demo... And even then it was kinda weird with the right stick being extruded right on the center of the controller.
Hey Glenn, it was me who was playing Mario kart 64 with you this morning. Great experience! Shame the control is so different from the original controller! Hope when the new one arrives feels just like original n64
haha the connection was so unstable right? Im on a grand new 1GIG internet connection here thats rapid I can't understand why the connectivity is so poor right now on it. Those races on Chocco mountain were way too laggy right
Such unfortunate bad sex experiance. Most ove the old veitnamese *pun* That played through that generation stares this one both eyes and YES you can DO THIS with BLINDFOLDED.
@@n64glennplant yeah, I've 600Mb fiber but with the Switch is always a WiFi problem and maybe Nintendo servers. For me the feel with the joystick was the big problem with Mario kart. Anyway, I've had a great time!
Yeah, it’s actually Nintendo’s servers. Even if you use an Ethernet connection, the Switch’s speeds are severely limited compared to what you would get on other consoles of this generation or PC. It’s frustrating that Nintendo still hasn’t nailed down good online functionality, and now they’re asking you to pay $49.99 for the service + N64 and Genesis games (and I guess Animal Crossing DLC).
@@rustylasagna it's not Nintendo's servers it's peer to peer so it's all down to latency which no amount of bandwidth will fix.
You know what's cool about this video? He's not dancing around the subject, just straight to the point I appreciate that.
Thanks - I like your mask ✌️
Awesome video as always!
Yeah this launch is pretty rough on top of that Price 💰🔥 the lag & visual + audio is off especially when playing multiplayer online. It's a mess indeed! Thanks for getting this info out there! You saved me some money for sure😜
Keep up the great work and have a wonderful day!
Glad I could help, let’s hope they haven’t messed up mario party superstars
@@n64glennplant Yeah for real! Lol Mario Party SS is definitely looking better than NSO so far 😜
The music volume goes down in Mario Kart 64 when you’re hit or slip on a banana but the volume never goes back up to normal volume.
Also, we need scanlines asap.
Bad pixelation at points.
Nintendo’s best emulate attempt was their first on the Wii, it’s not even that quality :/
I know right I was thinking the same thing!
They REMOVED the crt filter. Here I was thinking they'd give you a library of filters for the extra money. Options, themed borders, SOMETHING.
Hit me up when they release one of the more rare and worthwhile games on the N64 like Goemon otherwise ill just stick to the real thing on a CRT still works just fine.
Amen to that!
Yes Goemon would be amazing
I wasn't planning on getting it, but my friend invited me into his family plan, so I guess I have it now. The emulation definitely needs work, but it at least gives me an excuse to try out the original Sin & Punishment.
I did the same with my friends. We all pitched in 10$ for the family plan and now we have a years worth
I just did the opposite. I canceled. And its expired lol. My kid don't play his switch anymore since he's older now, and the rest of my friends are gonna have to pay their own now haha
@@redbeardnj And I'm gonna get into emulation since their are so many games I feel like Nintendo are never going to release again like Axelay and Mischief Makers. I really would've liked to play them on Switch too.
I honestly think this service is bad, but I'm also on a family plan and not the person paying, so it doesn't matter. But it's still sad that playing emulators on PC is still more viable for me, at the moment.
@@kelp7060 n64 emus used to be trash, but they've gotten really good recently. Even some of the Android ones are great now. I use M64plus on my s9+ and its pretty dang good!
I know people complaining about
how its sad what gaming as become yet they still bought it.
I did this video a few hours after the service went live so hopefully I can discourage a few people from getting it right now
@@n64glennplant Honestly if i had a switch i would just put a n64 emulator on it
This just makes me glad my dad backed up all of his old physical games years ago as roms.
I was so excited about the service. I was really excited to get going. I have not been able to get into any game. Every game just feels off. I had quite the opposite experience with star fox. I can cruise through that game without much issue and I died so many times because the joystick sensitivity just felt wrong. I really really regret the purchase of the service.
its a mess right now isn't it - I wonder how they can fix this
@@n64glennplant Nintendo wont. And if they do, you'll have to pay for it.
Craaaazy people still pay nintendo for this stuff. Good on you for putting it through it's paces.
I’ll be putting the cost through business expenses haha
@@Banjoisawesome I've been playing Banjo on my switch the past few years, for free and works better than Nintendos crap official emulator. I'm sorry you'll be paying for this, but at least you'll be having fun when you can play Banjo again.
@@glimpus You can only use online by having emuMMC. That way they don't ban you. You don't lose anything other than the ability to play with others. They're not going to take your games away.
@@glimpus Yes EmuMMC will allow you to play the Switch offline mode and then you switch back to the sysMMC to play online with your account! I unfortunately softmodded mine before EmuMMC was in place :(
@@glimpus OK. They keep deleting it. Switch . Emulation . Guide
Just get rid of the spaces!
Consumer goodwill toward Nintendo does appear to rapidly evaporating and for good reason. Their free pass for continuous poor treatment of their customers, wringing them for every penny possible with fairly low value proposition in comparison to their competitors, is hopefully coming to an end. All the best and keep up the great videos!
lol not really. it's just a small vocal minority who complains about these things. the switch will continue to sell gangbusters unfortunately for you
@@JCO78 That's true.
Not really... Wii U was the EXCEPTION, NOT the rule. As long as their consoles are competent with quality first party titles, then they will still profit. Yeah, the NVIDIA chip was outdated even when the Switch launched, but the software ensured it wouldn't matter.
The only bad thing has been the Joycon drift. Everything else is totally optional.
So for me, even with the emulation issues, the expansion pass makes sense for my group of friends cuz we have 7 people on a family plan, most of whom want the Animal Crossing DLC, so we are essentially all paying an extra $6 per person for what would be $25 per person without. People online generally have the attitude of "but you lose it if you cancel your subscription," and my thought is that I doubt any of us are gonna be playing the new animal crossing stuff after a 2nd full year of AC. I also seriously doubt that ACNH dlc will be the only dlc included with the pass. If I'm wrong, we can go back to the old plan next year. At this point the promise of portable Banjo Kazooie, og Majora's Mask, and Paper Mario are just bonuses for me.
I have a hard time justifying the solo price, but a group with the family plan is very reasonable.
That’s one example where maybe it’s worth it so glad you’re all wanting that dlc - I definitely don’t
I am hoping Nintendo makes drastic improvements for this service on the next generation console,we will have to wait and see.
I personally would rather see GameCube, wii and wii u games on a service like this.
N64 games just do not look good in 2021 ,nes,snes games hold up well enough to be enjoyed by many old school gamers I suppose.
I just can not see myself enjoying older games as much as others do.
I don't like how emulated N64 games look so i'll just keep playing the real thing ;)
Me too
Paying subscription to play roms is a bad idea.
I already chose my path years ago. I have an N64 with the games I want to play.
And I don't trade it for anything.
I don't blame you when Nintendo pulls stuff like this, they should all be in the original no extra charge service for sure
1:49 that's my big problem with emulation--it gives brand new players the impression that old games were just garbage. Nintendo's never been known for caring enough to get emulation right, either on their minis or virtual console, etc.
I just wish I could win the lottery, buy loads of n64 consoles and give them out to anyone who wants them haha
Which is why they are taking shots at free emulation now. It's cheaper to sue those doing it better than to invest in the tech to do it right.
that's bullsh*t. NES and SNES emulation on the Minis and NSO are pretty good.
@@JCO78 Yeah, N64 emulation has always been a bit shaky due to all the proprietary tech in the system.
@@magicowlofbacon9416 Nintendo has all the spec sheets and capabilities to produce better emulation than those that have had to painstakingly reverse engineer the console.
There is no excuse beyond sheer unwillingness to make a quality product.
Besides getting used to the controls I thought it wasn't bad. Briught back alot of nostalgia and memories. I've had fun so far with Zelda
Glad you’re enjoying it so far ✌️
Hope you enjoy it. Nintendo also made a Master Quest version of the game. But they already stated that they were unsure if they are going to make it available through the service or not. The game is a lot more difficult than the original game considering the screen is purposely flipped. They also think that a majority of the playerbase would not like it. It was made available to play natively through a bonus disc that they made for the Nintendo GameCube. The original game is also included on there as well. Nintendo already made Ocerina of Time run with good frame rates, maybe, but I guess that they are planning on not using it.
Glenn. Been a longtime fan and I appreciate your true love for the N64! You are a guru when it comes to this system
Thanks you I appreciate that
In the last 15 years of the video game industry I hoped we would have learned by now early adoption is exactly that. Adopting the earliest version of something that will ultimately (hopefully) get better. Thanks for the heads up Glenn but I still plan to up my service because I know it has to get getter so I’m trusting it will. Looking forward to future coverage from you as things progress (hopefully for the better!)
lets hope wave 2 of games like f zero will be worth it
Not played it online, but I played through Yoshi's story this morning and loved it. It was my first N64 game I got when I was ten and it holds very special memories to me. I remember my Mum taking me to Ex Electrical to buy the console after about a year of saving and doing odd jobs. That may over ride me noticing things, but can't say I noticed any issue with controls and emulation. I really enjoyed it. Again, this is all I have tried from it! But my initial reaction based on that is a positive one. I should mention that I got this as part of a group plan where I pay just 10 pounds a year now. This is less than I was paying for a standard individual plan, so can't complain really. For full price? I am not sure that I would have signed up straight away though. They should offer monthly for those that just want to play a few choice games for a while. Or, just not hiked the price so much.
Yeah the minimum 1 year plan is a joke
I'm waiting for more features like party chat and messaging. I'll pay the extra price for that.
this is pure greed so far sadly I think, just give these games in the normal bundle in my opinion
@@n64glennplant I hear you, man. Hopefully, Nintendo will see the overall light soon enough.
You'll probably be waiting till the next generation then
@@bareq99 I'd be happy to, honestly.
@Mugi I hope not.
The NSO Expansion is actually what compelled me to finally get into emulation. Since they released this service, I have played at least 100 old Nintendo games, plus PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, etc. It was really a blessing in disguise. I even just taught my girlfriend how to emulate too on her tablet. I am happy I didn't buy the expansion, but even more happy it got me into emulating and having a far better experience at no cost. No more hunting through all the local used game stores only to find the old game I want to play for just a few minutes is $80, and no more blowing on cartridges!!!!
I responded to the $50 price tag with cartoon sound effects of frustration. Thanks for letting me know I may be saving my money.
That is a good way to respond to them
I've got it - been great so far - no compliants from me.
How have you found multiplayer?
@@n64glennplant Thats the one bit I've not tried yet - and probably won't use! I didn't have much time to spend on it, however it was better than I expected - but maybe thats a reflection on not expecting much tbh! I'm at the stage where I want easy gaming - setting the n64 was always a faff.
@@n64glennplant The pricing does seem off though - I said I'd do a year and see how it goes. If they don't add much content, then I won't miss knocking it on the head in 12months
I purchased this, and I haven't had this much buyer's remorse in years.
The launch lineup is super limited, there's no customizability in display or controls (stick inversion in Starfox), no online with strangers.... It's so much worse than I thought possible.
The only saving grace is the family plan allowing me and a few friends to play the Animal Crossing expansion without purchasing separately... Though I almost wish I'd just done that.
This is without a doubt the greediest money grab I've seen from a video game company in years, and I'm ashamed I supported this.
Yeah it’s a big pass from me
Even with the animal crossing I thought they would include the full game for free. I never played that and I would have tried it if it was free to see what’s the hype. It’s just a dlc so I was like is the price 50 just because of animal crossing?
6:33 luckily for me. I got a copy of Genesis Classics for Steam for my PC.
Totally worth it, you can even inject the ROMs from that collection into Steam Retroarch for less thrills but more accurate emulation.
That’s a fun way to play
I got the expansion pack myself. Honestly, since I don't have an N64 (Maybe I'll get one in the future), the expansion pack is helping me get excited to play retro games. I only just found out that the NSO version of SM64 has the BLJ, so I've been getting into 16 star speedrunning. The service is FAR from perfect, there are still many problems like with the button mapping and input lag on certain games, but I'm actually glad I got it. I never play the Genesis games though. I already have the Genesis collection on PS3.
The Sega genesis games makes no sense. You can literally get them on Steam for way cheaper.
First party Nintendo games definitely should be part of the standard pack, and then add licensed games on expansion pack. Or maybe just ditch all of this and get back the Miiverse and the eShop.
Yeah licensed games for the expansion not first party games
This is why I'll just stick to my PC with emulators installed with a vast library of games, even then there's ways you can play roms online without a subscription fee I mean OOT online is a thing lol nintendo behind as always.
and sadly we know they won't do a damn thing about this
I got the Expansion Pack and played a bit of Ocarina of Time and blasted through the first dungeon.
For me, as someone who is excited for the Animal Crossing DLC and is in a Family Plan with other users/Switches that will play the DLC, there is value in the Expansion Pack for me. But, I can see why some people are dismayed with the price.
I didn't grow up with an N64 and I have never done complete playthroughs of Ocarina, Super Mario 64, or Starfox 64, all of which I owned on the Wii VC (and the 3DS remakes). Personally, I am excited to have these games and more N64 games to come on the Switch, as I just love the form factor and convenience of the console.
I'm not that interested in the N64 online multiplayer, but it's a bummer to hear your comments about it being semi-unplayable. Hopefully, it can be improved in the future.
As far as Genesis/MD, I normally wouldn't go out of my way to own those games (aside from Sonic 2), but as an added bonus to the DLC and N64, I'm excited to try out some classics like Castlevania: Bloodlines and Phantasy Star IV.
I would have preferred Gameboy games rather than Genesis, but hopefully those will come eventually as was rumored prior to the NSO Expansion announcement.
There's value for me as well. I never grew up with the N64 and Genesis and now I can play them. Also that means I don't have to go buy hundreds of dollars just to buy the consoles and the games for both of them. I am not all that interested in the multiplayer all that much to be honest. I just got for playing classic games and the Animal Crossing DLC. I can see some people frustrations about it, I understand it but you can't make people happy all the time and hopefully Nintendo will fix the issues very soon.
My kids and I played online mario kart 64 this morning on our own switches. I didnt experience any lag or slowdown. Ran beautifully
Although I’ve been longing to play OoT on a big screen.... 1) I have zero desire for sega games 2)couldn’t even get the controller for 64 games 3) do not play animal crossing. 4) the N64 games are way too few. I was so excited after the original direct and I was wanting to upgrade to a family pass and get the expansion. I’m kinda glad now that I couldn’t get the controller. The price is horrible for what you get ( or don’t get, I should say). I’ll just stick to the 3ds xl to play Zelda. Or my laptop.
Speaking of Sega, why couldn't have they done Saturn or Dreamcast
Did you have a Nintendo Wii back then and purchase Ocerina of Time from the Wii shop?
@@joshernsteen2066 I had a wii, but life was too busy for me back then and I also couldn’t get used to the motion controls so I never really used it. And didn’t quite understand about the wii shop and such. I didn’t really get back into gaming until the past few years after my kids became adults. Money and time were tight.
I missed the release, then saw the video, thought it could not be so horrible, downloaded the program itself and noped out quickly when I saw the price.
It’s shockingly poor
I’m just sick of these companies trying to push “renting” games, instead of buying. The day that becomes a thing is the day I am done with these companies. I don’t rent.
Aside from Netflix 😃
Nope. I buy hard copies of everything.
@@gavinistheawesomest games I can understand but for me
Personally I rarely watch movies more than once unless they’re an all time fav efc
I have an N64 plus an everdrive, so there was never much incentive for me to pay the premium price to upgrade.
N64 should have just been part of the 20 dollar a year tier.
To make 60 dollars a worthy price, maybe add games from the last 10 years to the service, add more free DLC passes besides just Animal Crossing, add Pokemon Home for free, and most importantly, have actually good online services.
It's no skin off my butt what they do since I can play N64 the way God intended. I just hate to think what this is gonna do for peoples impression of N64 games. Some people are going to be playing these games for the first time on NSO and that is embarrassing.
Of course. If you can steal games why pay for them right?
I do really want to be able to play Majora's Mask on my switch. I'm not buying the service for now, but when they add Majora's Mask, I'll cave in
I think that’s by year end
I’ll get it when it haves Smash Bros and Paper Mario.
@@colinm4055 will be interesting to see if they do smash, they might be concerned with people enjoying it and cannibalising sales of switch smash
I got it last night and honestly I am pretty happy so far. I don't have a ton of online friends so I haven't played any online multi-player yet so that may be part of why I am not disappointed. I was surprised by how many genesis games I didn't already have in other collections. Also $50 bucks a year is still the cheaper than many of the competitions online plans.
50 is an lot when people is already members!!!!
6:44 - Shots fired. The 90s console wars live on😂
Haha long gone sadly but if someone actually wanted genesis games they’d have got the genesis collection for switch by now
What you're seeing graphically is probably just the contrast between HD rendering and all the low-quality models and textures.
The high resolution brings out the details really nicely on high-detail and/or distant objects, but when things get too close, they look just as rough as ever.
Plus, most HUD elements and such are made specifically for 240p output, so they look really pixellated compared to everything else.
Yeah overall it gives many of the games a very odd graphical look that’s hard to digest when combined with awkward unmallable controls
@@n64glennplant I won't defend the controls, but try to hold off judgement on the graphics until you've spent some time with Rare's games in HD.
I can't remember if you've played the Xbox 360 versions of Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, but it'll be pretty close to those- provided they don't butcher the emulation, anyway.
Kirby 64 should look nice, too. :)
I do have to say, it's hilarious (in a good way) that you can see the other players screens in 4p mode.
GoldenEye screen-look-cheating accusations will be rampant
Sadly goldeneye won’t be showing up but I know what you mean
Its absolutely baffling that we finally have N64 online but the view is locked to a quarter of the screen. What monkey paw crap is this? At least make it a toggle for the purists
Why is it when I have the original Nintendo online subscription it’s 20$, and when I go to upgrade it’s charging me 46$!? It should be 35$ and then next year when it updates it would be the full 50$.Idk if anyone else has this issue
ive not heard of that issue, I know it was supposed to be pro Rota cost if you're an existing moment but this was a new pack on the new switch OLED for me. ive pinned this comment to see if anyone else can help you
Thank you I appreciate that, also appreciate the review, I was going to dive into it but came across your insights and decided to hold off until they fix the issues and add more titles
I think ( please correct me if I am wrong) if you already had a nso subscription then you get it upgraded to the expansion and you pay for a full year( until october 2022) 50$ minus the amount that gets discounted for the remaining of your original nso plan, so you get the 46.
There's an explenation on how much is taken off the subscription based on how many days you have left i have like 5 months left on the previous subscription so i payed 30 for it, read the terms it should be there.
@@raptros I dont understand then why when i have 6 months left(until end of may 2022) I have to pay 40 for a full year
I was really excited to get zelda on my big screen again. As soon as I loaded it up and used the joycons I instantly was ready to turn it off. Absolutely horrible controls. I have a few pro controllers, while there is still slight input delay the controls were worlds apart from the joycons to just a regular 3rd party wireless pro controller. Way better without joycons in every aspect. I do feel the suspend saves are an easy cop out to never lose, but its always been part of the emulated service.
Everything you’re saying here is also how I felt - glad I’m not alone in seeing all this
Welcome to 2009
From a snowboard kids fan here I really like the background music. One of the best games in my opinion. I still play it with my cousins to this day.
Amen to that!
Am I the fucking only one who loves N64 Games on Switch Online?! 😡
Thanks Glenn, its inexcusable Nintendo are doing this. I for one am going to hack the switch when i can be bothered to get around to it so i can finally use the system for what i bought it for -to be a portable retro gaming machine.
and absolutely nobody will blame you for that either - shoddy here from Nintendo
@@gregutz4284 I don't mind paying, they had a great system before with the virtual console. I'd happily use that, the thing is the switch has a gimmick which makes those retro games very appealing again. But not the way they are doing it, having to wait 4 years to play 9 n64 games and being forced to pay for animal crossing dlc and mega drive games. Never played animal crossing in my life and i have already bought a mega drive game collection thing on switch. the drip feed is a joke aswell. The switches online has just been lame from the off, lets not pretend otherwsie.
Thank you for the review!
Your take on N64 emulation ranks very high IMO, so I am glad you decided to let us know your thoughts on it. Given what we're seeing here, I feel there are much better options out there right now to play/replay these games.
Yeah and all of those don’t involve giving Nintendo money for shoddy work ! 😄
I’ve been playing Zelda all night and having a blast, but I’ve been playing with the pro controller, and I haven’t had issues with Link steering to the right. There is a tiny bit of input lag but I’ve gotten used to that on the Wii U already. Aiming is so much easier now, far less sensitive compared to the Wii U gamepad. Mario 64 and Mario Tennis work fine too. Haven’t tried the other games yet.
There is still room for improvement though. Give them some time to update and add more games, grab a pro controller and maybe you’ll have a better time.
I want one of the n64 controllers most to see what they did to the stick as that could be a game changer
I having a blast too mate, my only concern is the B - A button mapping, I would like to have it in the original position as the original 64 controller.
@@msanchez1680d you can change the button layout in the Switch system settings and save multiple profiles.
@@muska34 VERY useful, thank you!
2:10 "eye-watering price that they're asking for it" hahaha very true
😄
Very glad I checked YT before committing to buying this. You helped me dodge a bullet there!
Spend the money on something you’ll enjoy 😄
The Switch era of Nintendo has definitely been my least favorite. I guess the failure of the Wii U has sort of traumatized them and now they just make baffling decision after baffling decision over and over, but as you said, hit ‘em’ where it hurts, their wallets.
Probably one I’ve been least interested in
Outside of a few things I would say the Switch generation has actually been quite good. At least in the games department.
@@SnipingIsFun Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about.
Sad that the switch has been their best selling console then to the point where (after analytics and profit released) they dont even know what to do with their profits anymore (read that in some article hope im wrong)
Meh. I personally love the expansion pack and am looking forward to more content being added over time. For me, it's a great deal. I get far more value out of Nintendo's online than I do Sony's, yet it literally costs less than 14¢ (USD) per day.
I’m glad there’s people enjoying this 😄
I bought it this morning very reluctantly…and being a die hard N64 and Mega Drive fan I spent £34ish for upgrade up front (I thought it was going to be a monthly payment).
In short, it’s horrible. Just horrible. The controls on almost every game feel completely unnatural and inverted…it tells you to press a certain button to see the controls but from what I can see (again this was just before work) it didn’t have any function to alter the controls. So that means I have to buy the N64 controller? For £50? Nintendo have taken SO much of my money over the years and this is one the first times I have felt completely and utterly ripped off.
I’m going to ATTEMPT to get my money back in some way, I’m sure this will never happen but hey ho. This is hands down the worst online service provided and when you look at what Microsoft is doing, Nintendo should actually be ashamed of themselves, capitalising on players they KNOW who will blindly buy this with rose tinted glasses. And I was one of them.
Thanks Nintendo. I might genuinely go and treat myself to an Xbox Series X because of this.
I have a series x and I think it’s worth the money
Treat yourself, get a series X.
I have one, and absolutely love it!
If you do get your money back say, though your bank. Nintendo might even shutdown your account and/or your online privileges.
I actually got a refund! Wow. And my NES and SNES membership is untouched.
Makes sense about the analog stick. The N64 analog stick has a very small deadzone, such that you could rotate all angles in Mario 64 without even moving from one spot. It's really hard for a lot of modern analog sticks to match that quality. I know the switch joycons have a small amount of travel too so I bet its extra sensitive.
I imagine they lowered the interpolation quality for the music audio, which makes it pretty tinny. I cant remember the exact method the N64 used, whether it was nearest, linear, cubic, or sinc. But I dont think it's nearest since that is very tinny, nor was it as advanced as sinc interpolation. So in my head it must have been linear or slightly better.
I do own a switch, but since I own a flash cart, retrotink 2x, and a brawler 64, I already have these games (and more) playable. So I don't need an extra service for them.
Exactly, I only really wanted for the online but seeing how bad multiplayer is it’s a big no
I've been playing Nintendo 64 since its release in 1996 and I currently own a pvm monitor and my original system. Seeing as the N64 is one of my favorite systems of all time I had to try the online service. Thank you for uploading this video so quickly as I was looking forward to your opinions. Hopefully Nintendo will have an update that will fix some of these issues sooner than later.
I doubt they will sadly
@@n64glennplant at least give us button mapping.
I dunno I’m enjoying Ocarina of Time no issues here, haven’t tried the other games yet though.
So am I! However it could use button mapping, especially because the N64 controller is still out of stock.
I’m sure the experience will be fine for casuals. It’s those who focus more on performance that’ll start noticing things.
@@aintthatapotofeffluck8926 I wouldn’t say I was a casual but perhaps I haven’t played enough of it, we’ll see.
Sadly, people are blowing some sound and graphical hitches beyond all proportion, and highlighting input lag and stuttering online when playing with people who have bad or unstable connections.
It's all people can talk about, never mind that games look sharper, better and brighter visually or that we now have fully portable, and online capable N64 games.
You have to dig really hard to find level-headed, balanced criticism online at the moment
I already knew that there were problems with this service, but I didn't realize how much worse they actually are. Perhaps yet just wouldn't make sense to spend this extra money. I mean I was actually expecting the price to be $30 per year since all they really did was just add N64 and Genesis games without actually improving other things are adding other things to the online service besides that. I'd love to see them bring back Super Mario 35 as an incentive considering how so many people actually played that game back when it was free before they just took down the game. Although to be honest I wouldn't mind them just charging like $5 to $10 for people to permanently buy Super Mario 35 cuz I'm pretty sure people would be okay with that. Countless people were playing that game.
Its great to see a big Nintendo fan like you being this honest in this,others youtubers would(and they will)give excuses and try to say that the price isnt that expensive and that things are good and stuff..I have most Nintendo consoles(even a Switch) and the online service its terrible in comparation with the rivals,but was just 20€ a year so kinda wortwhile to try it at least once,but with this giante price increase its not worthwhile at all.
That’s why I like gamepass so much more on my series x
I had every intention of upgrading my Switch online membership but I'm currently away on a trip to York for a few days, and I don't have my Switch with me, so I've not had chance yet. After watching this I think I'll give it a miss. It's a real shame as I was looking forward to playing OoT and Banjo Kazooie again, but if they're not up to scratch I'd rather leave it and see what, if anything, Nintendo do about it. I'm so glad you posted this, though, as I appreciate you saving me the money and the frustration.
Nip in and see Charles Cecil at revolution software and get him to get the next broken sword started 😁
@@n64glennplant I'm gobsmacked this series has managed to pass me by! Such a fan of the point and click genre, specifically games like Monkey Island II and Day Of The Tentacle, so I'll have to look into Broken Sword for sure! I feel disappointed in myself as a classic gamer for having missed these 😅
Thanks for the review. I was expecting 50hz versions tbh. I won't be purchasing as a result of your appraisal and will wait and see if there are any improvements. Keep us updated!
You get both pal and ntsc so that’s at least kinda good
@@n64glennplant thanks Glenn. Great content as always. I'll stick to my old Panasonic crt and discoloured aqua, multiregion N64 for the time being. I'm getting a bit annoyed with Ninty's decision making lately but all will be forgiven when I get my hands on Shin Megami Tensei 5.
The price for NSO over here in the UK is £35. That sounds good, but when you convert it into US dollars, £35 is roughly $48. I’m gonna wait a bit longer to see what other N64 and Genesis games get added and maybe I’ll consider getting it.
Yeah I paid 35 this morning ✌️
Hi Glenn, thanks for the video. I do agree, when I saw the price I was in shock. I'm a huge N64 fan but knew when I saw the announcement of the service that it wouldn't be good. I love them but Nintendo seem to do the bear minimum with re-release type things (like mario 3d all stars for example)
I wish they'd put a bit more care and love into things like this.
I've been playing the N64 games for 3 days now, about 2 hours a day, and I've had virtually no issues. The only slight complaint I've had is a VERY slight frame rate drop when I started Ocarina of Time back up from a suspension slot, and it lasted about 2 seconds. No other issues before or since then, no issues with controls for OoT, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64 or Star Fox 64, no frame drops, everything is working just fine for me.
Interesting! I get issues on both the pal and ntsc Roms they’re using
@@n64glennplant I may be among the minority here, but I've gotten up to Death Mountain with lots of stops in between since the beginning of OoT, and I've only had the one stutter when I loaded the suspended file. But I only had 3 or 4 devices connected to the WiFi, maybe having too many devices at one time could cause it? I dunno, my dude.
Thank you for posting this video. The experience is quite shoddy. I only payed fo it because the service was offered to me at a major discount. Automatic renewal will be regular price, of course. The price will make it uncertain that I would pay again, and I certainly won't if they do not add online play with randos. That is what I usually do on my Switch.
Yeah I yes a shame you can’t play with random people
You really are going all out lately with these uploads I love it 😁
Have some time on my hands
I was hesitant from the very beginning because I have been learning to stay away from most remakes/re releases/ remasters of games because its always best to play them in the original format they were made to be played on.
That’s how I will stick I think
I paid for this last night and I love it. The controls don't bother me much and I know they'll add more titles to the 64 & the Sega. I'll have fun playing Mario Tennis and Mario Kart 64 with my friends. I'm easy to please, I don't need any old school joysticks, I can figure it out.
That’s nice to know, the online is shocking though so perhaps when you play it online with your friends you’ll realise it’s problematic
@@n64glennplant I feel you, but I don't play online. I just play with my friends when they come over. I'm also not a huge gamer. I think this is perfect for a person who doesn't play much like me.
That sbowboard kids tune in the background gave me goosebumbs.. oww men nostalgia!
They should've just made an n64 mini. Thanks for the vid, Glenn64!
They really should have done but I don’t think it’ll happen now
_But if you have a buddy who has the service and didn't buy the controller, do get it._ Very useful for PC emulation due to Bluetooth support, battery lasts a while and RetroArch with Parsec is a far more reliable netplay option.
As for how they could just improve their emulators in general, very simple. Free games remain free when subscribed, but when not subscribed, they're all available for purchase. This would be through a shop icon they can add on the emulators' menus. And for developers who want to opt in their old games and would prefer individualized sale, it encourages more games to be added regularly. And if you want netplay with them, you can just buy the regular NSO service.
If I want to complement Nintendo's side, the $20 a year still has online, but the N64 and Mega Drive emulators don't get their free games, but can still have accessible shop icons on their emulators so that you can choose what to buy and use your existing NSO subscription to play them online.
But hey, I suppose I should stop myself well I'm ahead. That sounds way too practical for Nintendo.
I bought it the minute it came out and I've been enjoying it immensely. My kids and I have been enjoying winback, starfox, and Zelda. I haven't noticed any issues. They play the exact same way they did when I was a kid (save the controller layouts). I prefer the pro controller so getting to play my favorite games on a more preferable controller is awesome. Winback is definitely playable. I don't know why you would tell people it isn't.
Winback is all about headshots, the sticks are too sensitive to regularly hit them which is possible in the n64 original hardware.
@@n64glennplant I would have to disagree with you. Headshots aren't necessary to win this game. They aren't even something I would advise aiming for. There is a lock on feature that works perfectly well. If it's not your cup of tea that's one thing, but saying the game is unplayable seems disingenuous to me. The game works just as intended and just as well as it did years ago.
Love the Snowboard Kids ost in the background!
What an awesome soundtrack that is hey
I bought it and love it! It will get better as more games and pitches come out, give it time! The snes app wasn’t perfect at first!
The default controller set up is a pain. I plugged the gamecube controller in for Oot and then became furious to find that Z wasn't mapped to L. With the gamecube controller you can't physically remap the buttons like the normal controllers
Yeah with any controller they aren’t allowing remapping and so it’s terrible layout for many games
After 2 years Nintendo added 23 more games.
Still no widescreen options (similar to Goldeneye) still no way to change those borders, and limited button mapping. (Can’t map the C buttons to other buttons)
What are your thoughts 2 years later?
Stopped using it after a few weeks, have real hardware which I prefer over nintendos lacklustre emulation efforts on switch. Hopefully one day they’ll put some effort into their back catalogue
I just bought my own switch and this video was really helpful! I will wait until they come out w a quality expansion pack!
AH man the snowboard kids sountrack in the back brings back memories
Big time
in 60hz mode star fox runs too fast, this was the same issue with the Wii and Wii U versions. I'll stick to my RGB modded n64. Nintendo got my money but next time no way, this was a really poor effort from them. They should have got M2 to do the ports and give us lots of options.
Yeah it feels way off for how it should feel
Not paying a cent for this expansion until they improve this in the coming months. Rise up Nintendo fans.
Time to rise up for sure