The Mis-use of Matthew 18
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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This is a very valid point here and i hadn't considered some of things you mentioned here before.
It's true, biblically speak first to the person who sinned against you. Yada yada... but you're right in that half a dozen people hear about your misdemeanor (often a very minor offence) before you and that the communication may get warped by the time ot reaches you.
When I was a baby Christian in the icoc, apparently I wasn’t supposed to give a card to the guy I had an interest in. The other sisters were pissed at me and reported me to the authorities. I told them if they never showed any interest to the men they liked it wasn’t any surprise to me that they were all still single 😂 I got in a lot of trouble.
I bet you did! How DARE you actually show interest in a man you like?!?! That's what you get for acting like a normal human being ;-P *sarcasm*
@@LastPrinciples I remember one of the old maid sisters that liked him telling me I needed to wait my turn. They had been waiting long enough. 😂 it was crazy town.
Too funny! 😊
I agree with you 100%. You hit it on the head concerning Matt 18. I ( and many many others ) had to deal with the Matt 18 concern. It was worse in the mid to late 80s. In some of ways it got better after 2002 and 2003. Maybe some people and congregations have matured but Matt 18 how to deal with sin/conflict/ something is wrong doesnt stop single brothers and sisters from being exempt. This is Gods heart and desire in how to deal with sin/ conflict etc. I agree a man has to be very sensitive and wise when dealing any lady sister or anyone period and vica versa. Wisdom is crucial but we got to be real and vulnerable. The issue is some leaders dont want to do it Gods way and want to control the people. Not all but many leaders. Everyone was so scared and fearful of being rebuked, punished, chastised or in some situations disfellowshipped unbibically or as we say kicked out. Kicked out because you stand up for what is right or and having your own opinion or conviction. As long as we are not making anyone stumble or hurting anyone its ok in Gods eyes for us to have different opinions Romans 14 and 15 scriptures that so many incuding myself tend to forget or dismiss it. Its a part of the Bible folks. For so many it was not making disciples of Jesus but of men. For many the church not Jesus was Lord. This was the main reason that we didnt handle Matt 18 Romans 14 and 15 correctly. It was a threat to some.
If one of the other sisters liked you, they would definitely tell. The sisters that had been around a long time, got really mad when a new convert scooped up their perceived prospect.
Now that you mention it, I have never had a brother bring an issue to me. It was always a sister or my supervisors. They didn’t specifically say I made someone struggle, but they told me I needed to dress more purely so I wouldn’t cause my brothers to stumble.
We weren’t allowed to talk to the men about things.
You just reminded me of another subject: gender segregation. I didn't experience it so much when I was in Tallahassee, but in Atlanta, our campus bible talks were are men only/women only as opposed to being mixed when I was in Tallahassee. During fellowhship before and after services, there were always just pods of sisters over here, a bunch of brothers over there. Rarely were there mixed groups talking and hanging out. And if a brother dared to try to talk to a group of sisters, he was immediately given this vibe of "Um, why are you here?" And don't even get me started on the over-abundance of men's/women's midweeks and devos.
Yup, absolutely.
Hello, Friend. I'm an Ex-ICOC and ICC Member with Mental Health Issues. And the way that I was treated by these churches forced me to quit two years ago. The reason being was the horrible and galling way they treated those with Mental Illnesses like me. I was wondering if you can do a video on how the ICOC and ICC treated those of use with physical and mental ailments. Thank you.
You may want to provide a little more detail. In my local church we tried to ise the golden rule.
I have Bipolar disorder. I had a manic episode while living with three other people. I mostly remember concern and compassion. Also some fear and distance. The church as whole didn’t address mental health challenges to my knowledge. This was over twenty four years ago.
Obe example i have is s mistake i was making towards a sister i liked ( and I stress, i wasn't committing any kind of sin or being inappropriate. Just a little nieve in how ro best show her my interest).
Anyway instead of her telling me,, my family group leader told me. After, i spoke to her directly and apologised and she was cool with everything ans remained friends. (Showing that direct contact was the better approach).
What really angered me though, was that a few years down the road when i was getting close to dating someone , this faux par of earlier was raised with the new sister causing a rift between us!
Firstly, after dealing with the issue, that should have been the end of it as it was resolved.
Second Keep record of wrongs much?
Lastly, that's gossip which innof itself is sin anyway
The amount of flat out gossip that went on in that place is really discusting. It was engranded in the culture of the organization but ofcourse, li's just ae anything else that justified it by minipulating scripture. It's just all so backward, you teach people to not be a coward and to confront each other, but then take that power back because "leaders" can't let 2 grown adults have a simple conversation. How is it that we can get cars, homes, entire and give you a percentage of that money but we are not trustes to have a simple conversation?!?! SMH
Lol boooy do I have a story for you. We will link
I'll be waiting with my cup so you can pour the tea when you're ready ;-P ex.icoc.rattler@gmail.com
Misuse when perceived sin was what led me to the door. I kissed a former member when visiting my hometown and my evangelist (young Disciple) all but accused me of lust/more. There were no parts touched, clothes stayed on, etc. but he assumed I was wired like him. Yes, I wanted to help restore her and date/marry her, but didn’t even think about sex or imagine her without clothes etc. I hadn’t dated anyone for 10 years as a disciple. No full on hugs, kisses, etc.
When he started dragging 4-5 brothers in after I’d laid out the whole truth several times, I started looking at the “spiritual pornography” of criticism from CARM etc. some of it was valid as far as not handling certain scriptures well. We could have made the same points (i.e. baptism Gal. 3:27, 1 Pet. 3:21, etc would have made the point better) but it was received as divisiveness. Met with a trusted brother in another town, but couldn’t tolerate the injustice at the time. I still have many friends in the ICoC but they never reach out to me, it’s one sided.
@@LastPrinciples I am ready.