Weaponized Forgiveness
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- How the ICOC weaponized the concepts of forgiveness and bitterness.
**Yes, I know my camera's crooked. I caught it too late and just didn't feel like re-recording lol.**
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Forgiveness is Not the Same as Reconciliation
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10 Things Forgiveness is NOT
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What Forgiveness Is And What It Is Not ! | Personal Development | Dr. Dharius Daniels
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The ICC Bible Studies: A Critical Analysis
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How Midsommar Brainwashes You
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Oh yes, I've been through this. When I was bullied:
1) They'd say "You have to forgive them, even if they're not sorry". And they didn't have to be sorry.
2) Or it'd be a victim shift. Now the bully would be the victim because I called them out for bullying me and now the bully got their feelings hurt for being called out. And then I had to apologize to the bully.
3) They pull the "It's not them, it's you" card. The bully loves that card.
Im sitting here clapping my hands at your opening comment.
I actually had a conversation with a good friend who still goes to the church about some of the issues the went through that i hadn't talked about. Although they were understanding they didn't pressure me to forgive the icoc, but they did still put the forgiveness aspect in my court instead of addressing the issue with those that caused the issue.
On brand for the ICOC's performance based Christianity...
I once dated a lady in the ICOC that seriously knew how to play the system and use the idea of forgiveness as a weapon against others.
Her usual ploy was after she'd done or said something very hurtful or vindictive, she'd always say "You have to forgive me" and "I can't guarantee that I won't do it again". Coupled with the usual victim blaming, she really thought she was getting away with murder.
And a fair amount of fellow ICOC-ers had the audacity to ask or suggest that we get back together, of course my answer was an emphatic HELL NO!!!
And much later, her arrogance and manipulative behavior finally bit her in the a$$. She was disfellowshipped for causing division and other kinds of deceitful, manipulative behavior.
Yes, much more pressure was put on the victim to forgive than for the bully to apologize.
When my ex and I broke up because he was verbally and emotionally abusing me, there was no protection or concern for me. I had a series of leaders, including my own roommate come to me and straight out tell me not to be mad with him.. as a command. Then I was victim blamed by them giving me "reasons" that I was abused which included the extra weight I carried back then (that I was also carrying when he asked me out). And talk about not caring! Not only did they command me not to go through any type of grieving or releasing process then shame me, they then ignored any and all trauma I may have gone through and put he and I to lead a Bible talk together and told me to "Support your brother. " So yes, your points are dead on. Thank you for sharing this video.
So sorry you were treated that way. How traumatic. Without assuming anything, I wish you the validation you deserve and much healing. That kind of gaslighting and emotional scarring is ironically the opposite of what they claim to be.
Wow! I’m so sorry.
P.S. I didn't see them as borderline narcissists. I saw them as full-blown narcissists. Double standards. No sympathy, no empathy, no love. Arrogant. Condescending. They enjoyed the victim's pain. Sadistic narcissists.
Interesting point about the victim forgiving being more of the focus being forgiven from a PR perspective. I never thought of it that way. There was once a bro whom I lent my car to who totaled it, yet less pressure was put on him to pay me back than for me to forgive him. I’m totally fine with forgiving as that’s biblical and still seek Christ. But I also see how backwards it is to minimize things for the reputation of the group.
I think also, it depends on the seriousness of the sin committed. If just a flippant comment or inappropriate joke, then a quick forgiveness is possible but if you have actually cause harm whether physical, mental or otherwise then you're right. Forgiveness cannot be expected immediately and I believe the perpetrators need to show genuine remorsefulness at what they did alongbwith sincere repentance
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4) "You have to be in Heaven with her". Saying you still have to be in Heaven with her, so you might as well put up with what she does.
Last comment. I realised that even Jesus didn't immediately forgive if you really look at this.
He asked Peter 3x if he loves him.
He challenged the pharisee when he waa slapped in the face.
And theae are only two that i have come to realise
Great episode. ICOC likes to hold face and protect the body so what other choice do they have but forced forgiveness. I actually plan on joining the ICC with the purpose of understanding them, want to learn what the old ICC was about and study them a little bit.
Just wondering, what are you looking to learn? Or trying to understand?
@@AngelunaFortuna I believe the current ICOC is still abusive but I want to get a better frame work of who they are. What better way than to follow under the group of the person Kip that started them. I want to better tie the two groups together
Thank you for the reply. Hope you find what you’re looking for. 😊