Daleks measure time in rels, everyone knows that. But how long is a rel exactly? All footage is the property of the BBC. Music by Jun Senoue, Rob Abernethy and Jason Redgraves
My headcanon is that the Daleks constantly change how long a rel is as a war tactic so that enemy forces can’t rely on a set unit of time for captured information.
My head canon is that "rel" is short for "relative" and so one rel unit is relative to something else, such as how long a day is on a certain planet. Obviously I'd like to think the Daleks would use absolute time/absolute units but they're also pretty clever so maybe they do like to overcomplicate things?
my theory is that the unit is relative to a “pure dalek”, and all other si units are relative to the dalek as well, and given their bigotry, they likely consider it to be an absolute measurement system. any discrepancies would be due to einstein’s theory of relativity, or disagreement as to what constitutes a “pure dalek”
You know, when I started watching the video I came to more or less the same conclusion. A rel being a quick jargon referencing a complex series of algorithms that define localized time according to the progression of time within the stream of time. Remember, they are time travelers.
There’s this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it and an hour to go around it, and every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiseled away, one Rel will have passed
My head cannon is a Rel is a measurement of distance, specifically time dilation. Remember these are time travelling creatures, and so their idea of time is always in flux, and time in DW has been shown to have psyical corridors in some type of real space.
I think the Reconnaissance Dalek said somet along the lines of "Contact with the Daleks in an amount of Rels" didn't account for the time needed to fight the soldiers and security. That would be a good explanation as to why it seemed longer
Based purely on the Peter Cushing movies with the timer in Dalek Invasion Earth 2150AD, the full circuit of the "clock" they used counted down from 50. It just always stuck with me. So I always treated it as 1 Rel = 1.2 Seconds.
I think the common estimate of a rel being about 1.2 earth seconds, comes from a clock that the Daleks had in the second Peter Cushing movie, which had 50 tick marks on it and was labeled “RELS”, implying that 50 rels = 1 earth minute.
@@EdKolis you know, I had the exact same thought when typing the original comment, but I didn’t say it, because I wanted to see if anyone else had the same realization about how that clock doesn’t actually tell us how long a rel is, considering how it’s probably operating on Skaran (Skarian?, Skaronian?, Whatever…) based time measurements, which could theoretically mean anything, but given how the clock seems to run like a normal human clock, I think this is probably the best thing we have to go off from.
I don’t have any real opinion on how long a rel is, but I can’t help but remember the countdown in Dr Who and the Daleks, particularly how long it took to get from 24 to 3, long enough for a climactic battle.
@@weswheel4834 Quite possible. That would explain why it would appear to always be equal to one plot induced time unit. If a timer is set for 100 rels and it takes the Doctor 45 screen minutes (which itself could be anywhere from 10 In-Universe Linearly Experienced minutes to 6 I-ULE days) 90 to 99 rels will have passed while conversely if it takes just over a minute and a half of both screen and I-ULE time 90 ti 99 rels will also have passed.
Daleks mainly in early comics use different forms of measuring time based on context. Rels, megs and feps are used in different situations while rel is the most commenly used it wasn't adopted till later in the dalek empire prire to the dalek invation of earth. As for how long a rel is considering its used in 4 digets or higher sujests in close to an earth second but thats unclear.
From the early 1960's Dalek 'neutron bomb' episodes I had always assumed that a Rel was a measurement of radiation strength. (Well, I was very young). It's nice to have that term clarified at last.
I believe that rels are silently updated through the Dalek path web, depending on where they are operating and what they are doing. Only they know what they mean by a rel, and it causes deliberate confusion to others.
According to physics, the change in duration of a rel might be perfectly normal according to relativity. As time is relative and influenced by factors such as gravity and speed, time in different parts of the universe moves at different speeds. If you have a large interstellar empire, this would cause loads of headaches, so maybe the daleks have an absolute reference time and so adjust the duration of a rel so that it always matches that.
I think Rel, as a short term for Relative, is a unit that is literally relative to the point of time in reality that reality is at. Or... To make it simple... The older a universe is, the shorter/longer a Rel becomes. Rel is both a unit of time and space, and thus constantly changing. Thus it can measure both, and cannot ever be consistent long-term as it is in perpetual flux with each passing moment.
I read the other day that an hour used to be different depending what time of year it was - it was 45 minutes in the winter and 75 minutes in the summer. That's worse than the clocks going back. This was basically so the number of hours from sunrise to sunset would remain the same. Crazy!
With regard to a Rel sometimes being used as a unit of distance, there's plenty of weird ways you can make space and time equivalent. A stationary object is moving at the speed of light through the Time axis, and an object that moves at a speed though Space must slow down in Time so as to not have a total velocity faster than the speed of light. Maybe this could also explain why the length of a Rel seems to change?
Honestly, it could just be that they use Rels for countdowns so that viewers know something is happening soon, but they don’t know when exactly. Like when someone says “We have 30 seconds to save the world” you start thinking on certain scenes “This has definitely been more than 30 seconds” but you can’t really do that with a Rel because you don’t know how long it is. TLDR: Clever way of writing countdowns that seem like their happening in real time
Maybe the Daleks don't even know. Maybe it's the same kind of countdown as when a mother tells her child to not let her reach three or there will be consequences... 😂
A wildcard in this would seem to be the Tardis translation effect. If it was too close to a second wouldn't the translation kick in and render it as "second"? For that matter I'm not sure that Rel is necessarily the final lingering vestige of Khaled. The Daleks could be speaking Khaled frequently with the TARDIS simply auto-translating like it always does. Makes more sense than them always speaking English.
One possible reason for the origin of the word Rel could be from the name BREL (British Rail Engineering Limited) that was stamped in metal near the doors of the old slam door rail carriages from British Rail.
If my internal clock wasn't just a pile of garlic mashed potatoes I would actually have an idea on what to say about a Dalek Rel, but sense I can't feel the flow of time by any stretch of the imagination I'm completely in the dark about a Rel. But for the sake of the conversation, I will say this; sense I don't think we know how fast Skaro rotates and thus how long their day-night-cycle is, it might be damn near impossible to actually figure this out, but if by chance we do how long a single day-night-cycle is for Skaro, we can make an educated guess based on what information we do have.
i have a theory that the rel is more complicated than simply converting directly to seconds and minutes, a bit like how stardates work in star trek. Perhaps this reflects their nature as a time aware species
It would be real funny if rels were like the imperial system and that it's inexactitud was a problem like today's, doing the Daleks more archaic despite their fire power
I'm curious if any other Kaled-derived words appear in their language? That said, it could be _all_ of their language but we just hear the translation whereas the TARDIS doesn't know how to translate "rel" so just uses it as is.
The translation may not be instant, too. If you were unfamiliar with metres it would be easier for you to understand feet, but in a setting where precision is needed "3.28084 feet" is an unwieldy number. Even though you have less familiarity with it, hearing "1 metre" may be preferable, especially given context such as you holding a measuring tool marked with metres. Of course, if a Rel is about a Second, and precision isn't needed, why not just say "seconds" and most people will understand? Are we applying logic and reason to a programme that never used to take itself too seriously?
Well that’s 147 Rel I never get back. Very interesting never have it any real thought before which means at 3 bloody am It will wake me up now! Oh well that’s Rel for you.
I gotta ask, what track is being used in the first half of the video? I'm murderously sure Ive heard it before but for the life of me I can't figure it out.
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The Rel is one thousandth of a kilo-Rel.
No proof.
Literally 40 seconds in and they already stated it's non-decimal.
No shit
@@ofskittlezbro what it's a joke
@@NobodyYouKnow01bro doesn't get the joke
My headcanon is that the Daleks constantly change how long a rel is as a war tactic so that enemy forces can’t rely on a set unit of time for captured information.
They are probably clever enough to do that. That might be the case.
Maybe the Rel is an absolute unit of time, that remains constant, regardles of dilations caused by gravity, time travel, etc.
The existence of the Dalek hivemind would make it possible for them to change the units on the fly like that.
That actually makes sense and tracks with how insanely they operate
Timelords and Daleks, muddling with metaphysics...
My head canon is that "rel" is short for "relative" and so one rel unit is relative to something else, such as how long a day is on a certain planet. Obviously I'd like to think the Daleks would use absolute time/absolute units but they're also pretty clever so maybe they do like to overcomplicate things?
This is brilliant, thank you
Genuinely amazing idea, a time unit that avoids being tied to the time dilation effects in any gravitational field.
my theory is that the unit is relative to a “pure dalek”, and all other si units are relative to the dalek as well, and given their bigotry, they likely consider it to be an absolute measurement system.
any discrepancies would be due to einstein’s theory of relativity, or disagreement as to what constitutes a “pure dalek”
That's actually friggin brilliant, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the actual etymology.
You know, when I started watching the video I came to more or less the same conclusion. A rel being a quick jargon referencing a complex series of algorithms that define localized time according to the progression of time within the stream of time. Remember, they are time travelers.
The Doctor: Daleks, what is a rel? You must tell me!
Dalek: WE WILL EXPLAIN LATER!
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In 92648 rels!
wouldnt john doe be the american doctor?
There’s this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it and an hour to go around it, and every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiseled away, one Rel will have passed
One second of eternity has passed.
Is the question “how long is a rel” the dalek equivalent of “how long is a piece of string”
twice the length from the middle to the end.
"How long is an extermination"
My head cannon is a Rel is a measurement of distance, specifically time dilation. Remember these are time travelling creatures, and so their idea of time is always in flux, and time in DW has been shown to have psyical corridors in some type of real space.
I think the Reconnaissance Dalek said somet along the lines of "Contact with the Daleks in an amount of Rels" didn't account for the time needed to fight the soldiers and security. That would be a good explanation as to why it seemed longer
Based purely on the Peter Cushing movies with the timer in Dalek Invasion Earth 2150AD, the full circuit of the "clock" they used counted down from 50. It just always stuck with me. So I always treated it as 1 Rel = 1.2 Seconds.
I always thought it was 1.2, but I can't remember why
I have a dalek roleplay character, and associated folks with her (including a time lord ally), and I use rel as "about 1,5 seconds".
I think the common estimate of a rel being about 1.2 earth seconds, comes from a clock that the Daleks had in the second Peter Cushing movie, which had 50 tick marks on it and was labeled “RELS”, implying that 50 rels = 1 earth minute.
Just more evidence for me to believe it's 1.2 seconds
Couldn't 50 rels be some other Dalek unit of time, though?
@@EdKolis you know, I had the exact same thought when typing the original comment, but I didn’t say it, because I wanted to see if anyone else had the same realization about how that clock doesn’t actually tell us how long a rel is, considering how it’s probably operating on Skaran (Skarian?, Skaronian?, Whatever…) based time measurements, which could theoretically mean anything, but given how the clock seems to run like a normal human clock, I think this is probably the best thing we have to go off from.
I always thought a rel was roughly 1.5 seconds. Don't remember where I heard that though.
same, i think it was like 1.45 or something like that. dont remember where i heard it either but that’s how long a rel is in my headcanon
You can time it if you set a stopwatch to run parallel with the clock in 2150 A.D., if you're a sad bustard like I am.
I don’t have any real opinion on how long a rel is, but I can’t help but remember the countdown in Dr Who and the Daleks, particularly how long it took to get from 24 to 3, long enough for a climactic battle.
Maybe that's it. "Rel" is an abbreviation for "Relative to the plot".
@@weswheel4834 Quite possible. That would explain why it would appear to always be equal to one plot induced time unit. If a timer is set for 100 rels and it takes the Doctor 45 screen minutes (which itself could be anywhere from 10 In-Universe Linearly Experienced minutes to 6 I-ULE days) 90 to 99 rels will have passed while conversely if it takes just over a minute and a half of both screen and I-ULE time 90 ti 99 rels will also have passed.
Daleks mainly in early comics use different forms of measuring time based on context.
Rels, megs and feps are used in different situations while rel is the most commenly used it wasn't adopted till later in the dalek empire prire to the dalek invation of earth.
As for how long a rel is considering its used in 4 digets or higher sujests in close to an earth second but thats unclear.
From the early 1960's Dalek 'neutron bomb' episodes I had always assumed that a Rel was a measurement of radiation strength. (Well, I was very young). It's nice to have that term clarified at last.
You're probably thinking of a rem or a rad.
I believe that rels are silently updated through the Dalek path web, depending on where they are operating and what they are doing. Only they know what they mean by a rel, and it causes deliberate confusion to others.
According to physics, the change in duration of a rel might be perfectly normal according to relativity. As time is relative and influenced by factors such as gravity and speed, time in different parts of the universe moves at different speeds. If you have a large interstellar empire, this would cause loads of headaches, so maybe the daleks have an absolute reference time and so adjust the duration of a rel so that it always matches that.
I think Rel, as a short term for Relative, is a unit that is literally relative to the point of time in reality that reality is at.
Or... To make it simple... The older a universe is, the shorter/longer a Rel becomes. Rel is both a unit of time and space, and thus constantly changing. Thus it can measure both, and cannot ever be consistent long-term as it is in perpetual flux with each passing moment.
I read the other day that an hour used to be different depending what time of year it was - it was 45 minutes in the winter and 75 minutes in the summer. That's worse than the clocks going back. This was basically so the number of hours from sunrise to sunset would remain the same. Crazy!
It makes sense to me that a rel represents different quantities of time, just like us humans have with imperial tons and metric tonnes.
With regard to a Rel sometimes being used as a unit of distance, there's plenty of weird ways you can make space and time equivalent. A stationary object is moving at the speed of light through the Time axis, and an object that moves at a speed though Space must slow down in Time so as to not have a total velocity faster than the speed of light. Maybe this could also explain why the length of a Rel seems to change?
I prefer the measurement of time seen in Curse of Fatal Death, where they phrased it in "Dalek Minutes" 😂
Honestly, it could just be that they use Rels for countdowns so that viewers know something is happening soon, but they don’t know when exactly.
Like when someone says “We have 30 seconds to save the world” you start thinking on certain scenes “This has definitely been more than 30 seconds” but you can’t really do that with a Rel because you don’t know how long it is.
TLDR: Clever way of writing countdowns that seem like their happening in real time
Maybe the Daleks don't even know. Maybe it's the same kind of countdown as when a mother tells her child to not let her reach three or there will be consequences... 😂
I believe the closest human equivalent to the Rel would be the microfortnight.
I've always wondered whether or not a rel is a real life measurement of time, but I've always been too lazy to bother looking it up.
A wildcard in this would seem to be the Tardis translation effect. If it was too close to a second wouldn't the translation kick in and render it as "second"? For that matter I'm not sure that Rel is necessarily the final lingering vestige of Khaled. The Daleks could be speaking Khaled frequently with the TARDIS simply auto-translating like it always does. Makes more sense than them always speaking English.
One possible reason for the origin of the word Rel could be from the name BREL (British Rail Engineering Limited) that was stamped in metal near the doors of the old slam door rail carriages from British Rail.
Did you know looks like timer from classic thunderbirds TV series
Time is REL-ative.
If my internal clock wasn't just a pile of garlic mashed potatoes I would actually have an idea on what to say about a Dalek Rel, but sense I can't feel the flow of time by any stretch of the imagination I'm completely in the dark about a Rel.
But for the sake of the conversation, I will say this; sense I don't think we know how fast Skaro rotates and thus how long their day-night-cycle is, it might be damn near impossible to actually figure this out, but if by chance we do how long a single day-night-cycle is for Skaro, we can make an educated guess based on what information we do have.
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i have a theory that the rel is more complicated than simply converting directly to seconds and minutes, a bit like how stardates work in star trek. Perhaps this reflects their nature as a time aware species
Not a Whovian myself, but I suspect a Rel is, was, and will always be exactly one plot induced time unit.
A rel is slightly longer than a second, but shorter than 1.5 seconds
"WHO THE HELL IS THAT!? AND WHY AM I SO ANGRY ALL OF A SUDDEN?!"
This is similar to centons being used for both time and distance in classic Battlestar.
A rel is a mathematically complicated unit (although trivial to daleks) that changes dependant on certain factors unknown to us.
I read somewhere that a rel is 1.2 seconds and I’ve been going with that.
I think the rel was used by both races on Skaro. It's older than the War, and possibly older than the separation of the two races into Dals and Thals.
New Dalek bumps episode dropping in 6000 rels!
I heard a rel was three earth seconds somewhere. Don't remember where.
It would be real funny if rels were like the imperial system and that it's inexactitud was a problem like today's, doing the Daleks more archaic despite their fire power
The real question is: how long is a vexil?
It just struck me… what does Dalek language sound like without the Tardis translating?
About like someone blowing bubbles in gelatin then slurping up the liquid at the bottom of a steel walled well?
Its got to be related to seconds.
Welsh people get this.
Our concept of time is:
'Just now in a minute'.
Look you.
Non canon Rel is 50 Rels to one earth minute ( darleks 2050 ) dr Who - depends on writer and what the episode needs but I’d say 1.2 to 1.5 seconds.
I'm curious if any other Kaled-derived words appear in their language? That said, it could be _all_ of their language but we just hear the translation whereas the TARDIS doesn't know how to translate "rel" so just uses it as is.
The translation may not be instant, too. If you were unfamiliar with metres it would be easier for you to understand feet, but in a setting where precision is needed "3.28084 feet" is an unwieldy number. Even though you have less familiarity with it, hearing "1 metre" may be preferable, especially given context such as you holding a measuring tool marked with metres. Of course, if a Rel is about a Second, and precision isn't needed, why not just say "seconds" and most people will understand? Are we applying logic and reason to a programme that never used to take itself too seriously?
If I was the Doctor I would sacrifice everything, even my TARDIS just to get a real answer! lol
It's lomger than a second but shorter than a tick
Well that’s 147 Rel I never get back.
Very interesting never have it any real thought before which means at 3 bloody am
It will wake me up now!
Oh well that’s Rel for you.
Parsec is DISTANCE it has always BEEN distance. In star wars at least.
in my humble opinion Rel is just Ler spelled backwards.
You cant evolve out of a clade, so Daleks are still Kaleds
A Rel is about three Fiddy.
About 1.2 to 1.5 seconds.
How this compares to a meg, i dont know.
What if rel is like feet, but for time?
As in: 1 rel ~ 1.1 secods.
I gotta ask, what track is being used in the first half of the video? I'm murderously sure Ive heard it before but for the life of me I can't figure it out.
It's the City Vs Arena track from Sonic Heroes
Minuets is a very low resolution of time ,20 minuets is about 3 days.........
I have been interrupted
How many Rels in eternity?
Wasn’t it 1.2 seconds … ?
A REL is about 6 inches of red.
REL COUNTER IS NOW SET AT ZERO.
It's all RELative
I don’t rel-ly know
How long is a rel? Not long enough
Shorter than this video
A Rel is "rel"ative measurement of time
About three clicks.
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How many Rels in eternity?
All of them.