Just got the Kone Pro Air yesterday and this review is spot on! At first I was a bit thrown off by the shape since I have never used any of the past Kone models but after about 15 minutes everything clicked. The weight, shape, and performance of this mouse is fantastic! I love the unique RGB in the front and the quality is fantastic. This is definitely my new favorite mouse and I recommend anyone looking for a larger, lightweight ergo to check it out. It’s fantastic!
@@overxgaming7948 still a great mouse! One of my favorites! Have been using the Pulsar x lite V2 though and I like it more but both mice are fantastic!
The video editing quality, the angles, the graphics - the entire production value of your channel has gone up *so* much recently! It's fantastic to see the progress!
The extra mouse feet for the wired version are probably added because you can then remove the original ones to open it up (screws below it). So you can customize the wire. Paracording is a very populair mod for wired mice.
@@renesurft he didn't. They are not adding them to the Air to improve profit margins as the wireless tech, sensor, detachable cord & port increase costs significantly. Less than 1% of users paracord, I assure you it's not because of their generosity.
@@georgimihaylov5432 then what is the reason it is added to the wired version and not the wireless version? Since you know it so well. 1% is based on what? Your own experience? If companies like glorious are making it easier to mod your mouse with the ability to buy different cords then its definitely a larger community doing this then you are implying. Im not saying my reasoning about the mouse feet is right, im simply stating that the argument to try to say its wrong is baseless.
I’m watching this again, after your passionate review of both these gaming mouse from Roccat……I just got BOTH here in Australia, new on a killer deal, The Kone Air around $65- $70USD (including taxes) and regular wired Kone for $33USD (including taxes)…..the pc store, clearly ran out for this prices. I’m really stoked with my purchases
Rant from a ex-G403 user. Was looking to upgrade to a larger and lighter wireless mouse: *This mouse is too damn small. *The geometry of the right backside of the mouse forces a very uncomfortable grip for my pinky, and the tendon for my pinky is always under stress due to the weird grip and makes the wrist hurt after an hour or two of use. *Also, due to the height difference between the 2 main buttons, i accidentally click the right button all the time, as there simply is not enough room for the ring finger to grip the mouse without touching the side of the button. And i have normal 218x118mm hands. IDK what midgets these mice were made for. For little girls maybe? Cont. of rant: *The optical switches are just hot garbage. Mushy with an inexact actuation point and long pre/post travel, compared to the mechanical switches in my old G403. *The battery life lags behind the competition severely. I'm getting only 20-30h out of this rodent (with RGB on). *The sides can get quite slippery during sweaty gaming sessions. The surface indents help little to alleviate the issue. Thinking of taping this sucker up. On the upside: *The wireless connectivity has never had a hitch. *The sensor has never had a hitch either, and i play CS:GO with the relatively low 500 eDPI (1000DPI x 0.5 in-game sens) *The mouse feet are absolutely amazing. *The best feeling and functioning scroll wheel i've ever used. *Amazing shape and feel of the thumb buttons. Mechanical switches on those ones, imagine that. *The charge cable is godlike. Almost can't feel it when i inadvertently need to plug it in, since the tiny battery ran out of juice. *Good build quality, no creeks or rattle during normal use. *Love the thumb groove. Overall, if Roccat would increase the width of the mouse by ~20%, changed the primary switches and filed off the stupid pinky bump, and address the other issues i listed above - i'd gladly throw my Eurocents at them.
Thanks for this - I was searching for a good big/ergo/wireless/not a lot of buttons mouse for a while now, trying to avoid deathadder v2 pro and the like and this seems to be it. Adding it to the list for the, hopefully, near future build. Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you for this review. Really important comparisons that noone else talks about. I love the Kone Pure - on my 5th one. I came really close to ordering the Kone Pro Air but I will now pass thanks to your information.
I bought a roccat kone xtd mouse and a isku keyboard years ago, the keyboard macro controller stopped working once and they replaced it for me quickly. Both those devices probably 8 and 5 years old are still working but don't feel great. I decided to upgrade about a year ago to a roccat kone aimo mouse and a vulcan 121 aimo of which I probably should've just tried a different brand. The keyboard isn't too bad, just a little pricey but the mouse I've had to replace 3 times now. Whatever you do, do not buy the kone aimo mouse as the mousewheel with either start to backpeddle on you very quickly and will rapidly get worse or the mouse wheel will stop working all together. I thought the last replacement I had gotten was gonna continue to work after about a month and a half but shortly after that it started to become so bad that I refused to use it while gaming and gave up on the 4th replacement as during that time and probably still right now roccat makes you cut the cord of the mouse and write down your rma number next to it instead of having you send the item back. That way they can render your half-useless item totally useless while you wait 2-4 weeks for your replacement unless you solder all 3 of them back together like I did. Thanks roccat
I've had exactly the same experience with kone aimo mice. They develop issues with the wheel(wrong input on scrolling) after 2-3 months of usage. The RMA process is just dreadfully slow and renders you without a device for the duration as you have to cut the cord. The issue with Kone mice is the wheel encoder and unless it's been changed in the "Pro" version I'd recommend to stay away from the brand. It seems that Roccat devices have degraded over the years. Kone XTD lasted about 3 years for me and roccat devices were supported on Linux, unlike other gaming devices. Now roccat has neither the durability nor the platform support. The only good point still is the 4d wheel but unless you want a wheel that can tilt looks somewhere else for gaming mouse.
Another mouse to add to the collection! I have been enjoying my RVU, Orochi v2, Burst Pro, and Kain 202 immensely. Thank you for the informative review, I found the shape comparison very helpful.
Great review as always from the Techne! I don't know if this has been requested but you should take a look at the Delux M800 (The 3335 version). I know you care about good value and this mouse cannot be beat in that category: Wireless USB-C at 70grams, Kailh gm 4.0, good build quality for 45 $ on Amazon or a bit more than 30 on AliExpress (bad mousefeet and questionnable sidebuttons though).
I've owned my Roccat Kone Pure for 6 years now and it's honestly all I need. Only shame is that you can't really use the 2 extra mouse buttons as "true" additional buttons. You can just map a key or function to them. I just want MORE buttons and not repurpose keyboard keys. But apparently that's just me, not many people like additional functionality. It's incredibly difficult to use G1-G6 keys as F13-F18 on a keyboard and not many people try to do it that way.
Got my Kone pro air today and when i saw that there is no cable for the Dongle , i went out and got me a cable bevore i even tried to use it without. And comparded to my G-pro wireless and my G 703 the Grip is amazing . I play with low sens , and now i can just lift the mouse and make fast direction changes without loosing my Grip wich is a Gamechanger for me . Another pro are the long mouse 1 and 2 buttons wich help me with my hardcore clawgrip style.
It's not to long ago when a $59 mouse was steep. Now we're at $130 and it feels worth it. No idea what happened, but whatever they did it worked because I've just ordered a Pro Air
What I like most is the design. I’ve grown up with the advent of gaming mice and it’s nice that there is a simple non gamerish design. I wish there was more out there with different colors. I commute to work and take my mouse to and from work and the aesthetics of this are pleasing. It reminds me of the Endgame gear XM1. Pluses for me: Simple minimalist design No holes in the mouse. I brought my glorious model o wireless to work and it freaks people out sometimes when they stop by my desk Usbc Decent battery life Dongle jacks into a port as opposed to a cover that can easily break or be lost like the DAV2. Mine arrives tomorrow. I hope the ergonomics fits me. I have large hands and so far the only mice that works for me are the Model O, the Model D, and the DAv2. Everything else gives me cramps, especially everything from Logitech.
u ever tried logitech gpxs its such a safe shape, also light, also minimalistic, doesnt look weird, long battery life. idk how u would get cramps from it lol. also u could try mx master. same thing just ergo basically
Techne I just love the quality of your videos. Your review of Kain 120 from a couple years ago was so spot on. I used that mouse until I upgraded to Kone Pro. Roccat is criminally under-rated! I think they make some best ergo shaped gaming mice out there.
Glad I found your channel and this review. As a former deathadder chroma user, I was looking for a wireless upgrade for gaming needs and working from home and I wanted an ergo ish mouse. I really wanted to go with the Glorious Model D but need Bluetooth for convenience to connect to my work laptop. Given you like large ish mouse like the deathadder and such, the Kone pro air seemed like a good option and just received it today and am very pleased with it. Hopefully it lasts and I don’t run into quality issues. Maybe Glorious will add Bluetooth in the future.
Got mine today. I really love the shape and feel of the mouse. Like a glove as you said! The clic sound was a bit weird at first, but the switches feel awesome and I will get used to that for sure. The mousewheel is also top notch!
@@overxgaming7948 Mostly alright! Sadly I has an issue with the scrollwheel, but spraying in some WD40 fixed that issue gladly. Besides that one flaw I had, it is still a great mouse!
The scroll wheel is really bad, sadly. It'll start to occasionally register a down scroll while scrolling up and vice versa. Mine does it, this guy's has done it (and maybe has started to do again), and there are a lot of people who've RMA'd one after the other, only to have the new one start doing it before long, too. Spraying contact cleaner often fixes it temporarily. Opening the mouse, disassembling the mouse wheel assembly and the encoder, and then carefully cleaning it with contact cleaner and lubing the encoder with a little silicone spray will probably fix it for longer, but I don't know if even that is permanent. I like the shape and low weight of the mouse a lot (I've got the wired one), but this is a really annoying thing to be dealing with. And this has been a thing in Roccat mice for a long, long time. They just don't care to fix it. If I had known about this before buying, I would have definitely tried to find other options. Just saying in case someone looking to buy a mouse happens to see this comment. The mouse wheel sucks.
Good review man. This mouse is probably going to hang on as my main too. Funny how you mentioned off the bat the extender dongle. I actually had issues with connectivity on my test bench (a bit of a distance away) but no issues when testing it on my main PC ROCCAT has been on a FREAKING roll man… can’t wait to see what else they bring to the market (can a guy get a wireless tkl pro? Hahah)
@the techne even though I didn’t watch the whole review yet. I just want to say that you are one of the best and most honest reviewers on the platform. You are hands down the best and my favorite reviewer. I made it to half of the video, it is very good. I agree with you, a burst pro wireless would be great.
Just picked up the air on Saturday and wow. I'm in love. It feels lighter than 75g, the ptfe feet slide great. I was most impressed with the shape. I was unsure because its different than anything I had but it just fits the hand so good.
Kone pro is great, but have issue with poling rate only 1000khz is consistant. Air has more issues" wireless option can be intefiered by software and even RGB on mouse. Aimo rgb option messing with poling rate, other rgb option does to but with less impact. Optimal is just turn off rgb interelt if you using it wirelessly. Software like icue can mess eith mouse( it did couse my mouse shutering on moving in fast paste games), so had to turn that off. Swarm itself couse some lag on pc, so most optimal way to use it on wireless is turn off rgb, after tuning your dpi, poling and etc turn off swarm and other software witch can have option to config mouse setings. On stat's mouse is great and performance is on top level if you do this steps, but on other side if you buy 130Eu worth mouse you espect to use it like normal mice and not do your own researth why stuff act like this and do fix that sacrifise build in feutures witch you payed for. If it would just work i would give it 10/10, but I would recomend pick kone pro and just keep it at 1000hz and keep rgb feuture or look for difrent mice entirely. Im kinda tweaking stuff guy and I most consurned about performance only so for me its not that bad. But for regular hard no, or pick wired version
Hey Techne can you please do a review of the JBL Quantum 800 gaming headset I would love to hear your thoughts about it. Also amazing vid like always! ;)
I discovered I can't go back to larger ergo mice. The Kone feels too big, too restrictive for me. I'm also spoiled by the XM1R's clicks, optical switches are so meh. Back to playing the wireless XM1 waiting game.
Doesn't really have to do with the mice, but I thought of it while watching. Noone had made a battery swappable mouse with reusable/ rechargeable batteries unless you use rechargeable regular 2x/3xA batteries. I am thinking of something to be similar to the Arctis pros. I know they have power play type things, but that is inhibitivly expensive at over $100 usually. Being able to change and charge batteries would keep waste down and allow for you to always be charged with that spare. I think it would be a cool thing for mice.
Only real option here is something like G305 or Orochi V2 with one AAA rechargeable but i doubt a mouse with interchangeable battery from big manufacturers like Logitech/Razer would be cheaper than AAA battery + charger
The design in the way it fits the hand is really similar to my old logitech G5. I litteral only just replaced that mouse because I liked the fit so much I could not find anything that fitted my hand as good. I like my new Razer but I might have a look at this mouse still because of the shape.
Another great review! I love how your a fan of the big boy mice! All these tiny mice have become so popular and even though I’ve tried some of them I always go back to my Razer Basilisk. I love a larger mouse and even if a smaller mouse where to help my gameplay I’d choose a comfortable ergo any day.
Very interesting, thx for the review. One question, do you think the ring finger could interfere with the right mouse button? I like to wrap my ring finger a bit around the top right corner of the mouse. Keep it up my man
I'm constantly afraid that TurtleBeach is gonna muscle Roccat into building cheap stuff that breaks just as easily as the TB headsets but so far I'm pleasantly surprised, they seem to be allowed to uphold their quality standards. Next I want a Kain 100 type mouse with the same lightweight + opto switch treatment as my Burst pro (and soon Kone Pro, pre-ordered that thing because I know what I want lol)
Hi Techne, how is a comparision between a GPW and the new Kone Pro? How are the switches? Test older Roccat optical switches, was completly mess. How is the size, cause im using the GPW for at least since last years and no mouse was ever able to beat it. But a tiny bit bigger mouse would be fine.
How does the white version compare to the black version when it comes to rgb? White looks cleaner but I feel like the black reflects the rgb much better
Hey Techne, great video! I have also pre-ordered this mouse and I love it! :) Just one more little hint since this mistake is made by many: it's pronounced like the word "rocket". Not "row-cat". Simple and plain: "rocket". Have a good day, Sir.
Jo buddy, what is your opinion when you compare the steelseries prime wireless with the kone pro air? which is the better and more precise mouse? best regards from Potsdam ger
Rocket, you only consider pronounce it rowcat if it's spelled rocat. Frankly current wireless mouse connection technology could be easily interrupted, it really helps if you get a dongle to place the signal around your mouse as close as possible.
Hey, anyone has scroll click issue with this one? According to a few Amazon reviews, I saw some people reporting a stiff scroll click after just a day or two of using.
Hey techne, can you check out the drevo falcon wireless? For 50 dollars, I think it’s a steal. You might not like the side buttons but you will like the shape. I would love to hear your opinions on it. Thank you!
Hm I just received mine, but its just too light for me. I have the old roccat kone aimo xtd I think its called, and it seems like every mouse I buy, just don't live up to it.. I have had it for around 10 years now, and it doesn't show any signs of slowing down.. Guess ill just stick to it. ^^
Hi techne, I heard rumours taht the black and white versions have different materials and that the white was better is this true, and also would you recommend a skin grip (lizard) for this
the kone pure ultra fits my hand perfectly, so i was hoping this was just gonna be a wireless version of that, but since its so different, i will not be buying this one :(
@@TheTechne thank you taking the time to reply to me! I'll look out for that video. I just ordered one and I'm super pumped for it to come. Keep up the solid work man!
I just got the kone pro I love everything about it,I’m really impressed by the cable tho but I only have one problem it’s the scroll wheel,I like fast scroll wheels,I’m getting sued to it my rating is 9.5/10
I've been a user of the Kone line for years now and they finnaly address my 1 biggest issue, the small side buttons, but of course they also put it on a bigger mouse :( feelsbadman
Hmm im not sure i like that clack clack sound over the usual click click sound the EMP pure kone had..but i do like the shape and rgb..im gona sleep on this
@@TheTechne haha :p While i got your attention here. I have the EMP kone and im interrested in this mouse since its the best hand formed mouse i had. But what do you think about the titan click noise compared to the old omni clickers ? Since alot of gamers dislike these titan clickers.
For such an extreme price i would've expected the dpi switch to be behind the scrollwheel like most gaming mice have. How the heck did Crapcat not notice this?
can somone tell me (someone who has used this mouse for at least half a year) is there any scroll wheel issue? ive seen a lot of reviews saying the scroll wheel just breaks after some months of usage, and this might be a throwback for me from the mouse which is unfortunate cuz the shape looks like it fits my grip like a part of my body
Roccat has been somewhat of an underdog for years , many fails but honestly , their products deserve more recognition
I think Roccat has some of the best mice,
Totally
@@TheTechne
Why are yours videos little too dark lately and with enhanced contrast ?!
Fails? I never had a problem with their mice, probably some of the best out there
@@gnshp8167 even tho i never owned a roccat mouse but i can tell you anyone who has them loved them which is a good sign.
Just got the Kone Pro Air yesterday and this review is spot on! At first I was a bit thrown off by the shape since I have never used any of the past Kone models but after about 15 minutes everything clicked. The weight, shape, and performance of this mouse is fantastic! I love the unique RGB in the front and the quality is fantastic. This is definitely my new favorite mouse and I recommend anyone looking for a larger, lightweight ergo to check it out. It’s fantastic!
Does the mouse still hold up? Any issues with it?
@@overxgaming7948 still a great mouse! One of my favorites! Have been using the Pulsar x lite V2 though and I like it more but both mice are fantastic!
The video editing quality, the angles, the graphics - the entire production value of your channel has gone up *so* much recently! It's fantastic to see the progress!
thank you so much
@@TheTechne he was giving a honest opinion just like you
@@lettyb211 ? yeah that's why I thanked him
@@TheTechne Nah it was a compliment
@@TheTechne reply
What is this, Row-cat I keep hearing? It's Roccat, not Row-cat!
No diff if say quietly
I read that at r ow and not ro
Bruh I thought the same thing lol
Rotate (row-tate)
Rocket
Using the Roccat Burst Pro as well. From the first second on, I wished it was wireless. It would be an absolute banger!
The extra mouse feet for the wired version are probably added because you can then remove the original ones to open it up (screws below it). So you can customize the wire. Paracording is a very populair mod for wired mice.
you nailed it !
@@renesurft he didn't. They are not adding them to the Air to improve profit margins as the wireless tech, sensor, detachable cord & port increase costs significantly.
Less than 1% of users paracord, I assure you it's not because of their generosity.
@@georgimihaylov5432 then what is the reason it is added to the wired version and not the wireless version? Since you know it so well.
1% is based on what? Your own experience?
If companies like glorious are making it easier to mod your mouse with the ability to buy different cords then its definitely a larger community doing this then you are implying.
Im not saying my reasoning about the mouse feet is right, im simply stating that the argument to try to say its wrong is baseless.
I’m watching this again, after your passionate review of both these gaming mouse from Roccat……I just got BOTH here in Australia, new on a killer deal, The Kone Air around $65- $70USD (including taxes) and regular wired Kone for $33USD (including taxes)…..the pc store, clearly ran out for this prices. I’m really stoked with my purchases
How does the kone pro hold up? Any issues yet? Thanks.
Rant from a ex-G403 user. Was looking to upgrade to a larger and lighter wireless mouse:
*This mouse is too damn small.
*The geometry of the right backside of the mouse forces a very uncomfortable grip for my pinky, and the tendon for my pinky is always under stress due to the weird grip and makes the wrist hurt after an hour or two of use.
*Also, due to the height difference between the 2 main buttons, i accidentally click the right button all the time, as there simply is not enough room for the ring finger to grip the mouse without touching the side of the button.
And i have normal 218x118mm hands. IDK what midgets these mice were made for. For little girls maybe?
Cont. of rant:
*The optical switches are just hot garbage. Mushy with an inexact actuation point and long pre/post travel, compared to the mechanical switches in my old G403.
*The battery life lags behind the competition severely. I'm getting only 20-30h out of this rodent (with RGB on).
*The sides can get quite slippery during sweaty gaming sessions. The surface indents help little to alleviate the issue. Thinking of taping this sucker up.
On the upside:
*The wireless connectivity has never had a hitch.
*The sensor has never had a hitch either, and i play CS:GO with the relatively low 500 eDPI (1000DPI x 0.5 in-game sens)
*The mouse feet are absolutely amazing.
*The best feeling and functioning scroll wheel i've ever used.
*Amazing shape and feel of the thumb buttons. Mechanical switches on those ones, imagine that.
*The charge cable is godlike. Almost can't feel it when i inadvertently need to plug it in, since the tiny battery ran out of juice.
*Good build quality, no creeks or rattle during normal use.
*Love the thumb groove.
Overall, if Roccat would increase the width of the mouse by ~20%, changed the primary switches and filed off the stupid pinky bump, and address the other issues i listed above - i'd gladly throw my Eurocents at them.
that kone pro air in white is so clean
Thanks for this - I was searching for a good big/ergo/wireless/not a lot of buttons mouse for a while now, trying to avoid deathadder v2 pro and the like and this seems to be it. Adding it to the list for the, hopefully, near future build. Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you for this review. Really important comparisons that noone else talks about. I love the Kone Pure - on my 5th one. I came really close to ordering the Kone Pro Air but I will now pass thanks to your information.
How was battery life for you? Coming from a gpro superlight not sure how it will compare
Very solid battery, plus quick charge
I bought a roccat kone xtd mouse and a isku keyboard years ago, the keyboard macro controller stopped working once and they replaced it for me quickly. Both those devices probably 8 and 5 years old are still working but don't feel great. I decided to upgrade about a year ago to a roccat kone aimo mouse and a vulcan 121 aimo of which I probably should've just tried a different brand.
The keyboard isn't too bad, just a little pricey but the mouse I've had to replace 3 times now. Whatever you do, do not buy the kone aimo mouse as the mousewheel with either start to backpeddle on you very quickly and will rapidly get worse or the mouse wheel will stop working all together. I thought the last replacement I had gotten was gonna continue to work after about a month and a half but shortly after that it started to become so bad that I refused to use it while gaming and gave up on the 4th replacement as during that time and probably still right now roccat makes you cut the cord of the mouse and write down your rma number next to it instead of having you send the item back. That way they can render your half-useless item totally useless while you wait 2-4 weeks for your replacement unless you solder all 3 of them back together like I did. Thanks roccat
I've had exactly the same experience with kone aimo mice. They develop issues with the wheel(wrong input on scrolling) after 2-3 months of usage. The RMA process is just dreadfully slow and renders you without a device for the duration as you have to cut the cord. The issue with Kone mice is the wheel encoder and unless it's been changed in the "Pro" version I'd recommend to stay away from the brand.
It seems that Roccat devices have degraded over the years. Kone XTD lasted about 3 years for me and roccat devices were supported on Linux, unlike other gaming devices. Now roccat has neither the durability nor the platform support. The only good point still is the 4d wheel but unless you want a wheel that can tilt looks somewhere else for gaming mouse.
I pre ordered this I hope I like it. I’ve been maining an XM1R and have never used an Ergo mouse. Great review.
@Haishe ok from what I heard the Kone air feels like an ergo XM1 if that makes any sense
Another mouse to add to the collection! I have been enjoying my RVU, Orochi v2, Burst Pro, and Kain 202 immensely. Thank you for the informative review, I found the shape comparison very helpful.
Awesome, glad to hear I was able to help out
@@TheTechne You always do! If I need to know if a peripheral is good, I always know I am going to get a straight, no BS answer from you :D
the kone mouse has been my staple for yrs......nothing i have used compares.
Edit: Kone is Roccats flagship
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Great review as always from the Techne!
I don't know if this has been requested but you should take a look at the Delux M800 (The 3335 version). I know you care about good value and this mouse cannot be beat in that category: Wireless USB-C at 70grams, Kailh gm 4.0, good build quality for 45 $ on Amazon or a bit more than 30 on AliExpress (bad mousefeet and questionnable sidebuttons though).
I've owned my Roccat Kone Pure for 6 years now and it's honestly all I need.
Only shame is that you can't really use the 2 extra mouse buttons as "true" additional buttons. You can just map a key or function to them.
I just want MORE buttons and not repurpose keyboard keys. But apparently that's just me, not many people like additional functionality.
It's incredibly difficult to use G1-G6 keys as F13-F18 on a keyboard and not many people try to do it that way.
Got my Kone pro air today and when i saw that there is no cable for the Dongle , i went out and got me a cable bevore i even tried to use it without. And comparded to my G-pro wireless and my G 703 the Grip is amazing . I play with low sens , and now i can just lift the mouse and make fast direction changes without loosing my Grip wich is a Gamechanger for me . Another pro are the long mouse 1 and 2 buttons wich help me with my hardcore clawgrip style.
It's not to long ago when a $59 mouse was steep. Now we're at $130 and it feels worth it. No idea what happened, but whatever they did it worked because I've just ordered a Pro Air
Any update on how its held up?
Looks awesome. I love how they have a different way of doing rgb and that shape looks comfortable. Great review, hope you are starting to feel better.
What I like most is the design. I’ve grown up with the advent of gaming mice and it’s nice that there is a simple non gamerish design. I wish there was more out there with different colors.
I commute to work and take my mouse to and from work and the aesthetics of this are pleasing. It reminds me of the Endgame gear XM1.
Pluses for me:
Simple minimalist design
No holes in the mouse. I brought my glorious model o wireless to work and it freaks people out sometimes when they stop by my desk
Usbc
Decent battery life
Dongle jacks into a port as opposed to a cover that can easily break or be lost like the DAV2.
Mine arrives tomorrow. I hope the ergonomics fits me. I have large hands and so far the only mice that works for me are the Model O, the Model D, and the DAv2. Everything else gives me cramps, especially everything from Logitech.
u ever tried logitech gpxs its such a safe shape, also light, also minimalistic, doesnt look weird, long battery life. idk how u would get cramps from it lol. also u could try mx master. same thing just ergo basically
Techne I just love the quality of your videos. Your review of Kain 120 from a couple years ago was so spot on. I used that mouse until I upgraded to Kone Pro. Roccat is criminally under-rated! I think they make some best ergo shaped gaming mice out there.
Crazy to see how you've grown I started following you when you had around 5k subs . Glad to see you doing well 🙌
dang, thank you so much for the support!
Glad I found your channel and this review. As a former deathadder chroma user, I was looking for a wireless upgrade for gaming needs and working from home and I wanted an ergo ish mouse. I really wanted to go with the Glorious Model D but need Bluetooth for convenience to connect to my work laptop. Given you like large ish mouse like the deathadder and such, the Kone pro air seemed like a good option and just received it today and am very pleased with it. Hopefully it lasts and I don’t run into quality issues. Maybe Glorious will add Bluetooth in the future.
Got mine today. I really love the shape and feel of the mouse. Like a glove as you said! The clic sound was a bit weird at first, but the switches feel awesome and I will get used to that for sure. The mousewheel is also top notch!
How does the kone pro hold up, any issues yet?
@@overxgaming7948 Mostly alright! Sadly I has an issue with the scrollwheel, but spraying in some WD40 fixed that issue gladly. Besides that one flaw I had, it is still a great mouse!
The scroll wheel is really bad, sadly. It'll start to occasionally register a down scroll while scrolling up and vice versa. Mine does it, this guy's has done it (and maybe has started to do again), and there are a lot of people who've RMA'd one after the other, only to have the new one start doing it before long, too. Spraying contact cleaner often fixes it temporarily. Opening the mouse, disassembling the mouse wheel assembly and the encoder, and then carefully cleaning it with contact cleaner and lubing the encoder with a little silicone spray will probably fix it for longer, but I don't know if even that is permanent.
I like the shape and low weight of the mouse a lot (I've got the wired one), but this is a really annoying thing to be dealing with. And this has been a thing in Roccat mice for a long, long time. They just don't care to fix it. If I had known about this before buying, I would have definitely tried to find other options. Just saying in case someone looking to buy a mouse happens to see this comment. The mouse wheel sucks.
Good review man. This mouse is probably going to hang on as my main too. Funny how you mentioned off the bat the extender dongle. I actually had issues with connectivity on my test bench (a bit of a distance away) but no issues when testing it on my main PC
ROCCAT has been on a FREAKING roll man… can’t wait to see what else they bring to the market (can a guy get a wireless tkl pro? Hahah)
Been using a g703 because I need the grip width around 60 mm. How do you think this compares to the g703
Awesome review Techne. I love Roccat especially after I got their Headset on your giveaway. Now, I have to check out their Mice.
@the techne even though I didn’t watch the whole review yet. I just want to say that you are one of the best and most honest reviewers on the platform. You are hands down the best and my favorite reviewer. I made it to half of the video, it is very good. I agree with you, a burst pro wireless would be great.
Hi, are these buttons louder than normal sound of other mices?
Just got a wired Kone Pro on sale for my medium hands--super comfy, reminds me of the Razer Deathadder's comfort
Thx for the awesome review !!
Any update on the kone pro? Considering getting it myself
@@overxgaming7948 Great mouse !! If you have larger hand you will find it very comfy. Get it on sale if you can
Just picked up the air on Saturday and wow. I'm in love. It feels lighter than 75g, the ptfe feet slide great. I was most impressed with the shape. I was unsure because its different than anything I had but it just fits the hand so good.
such a great mouse!!
How's the mouse so far? Thinking of getting it but I'm scared of quality control..
@@overxgaming7948 zero issues with my copy. Still going strong and I use it daily for work as well. Haven't found anything better yet
Great follow-up. Stinkin awesome like always.
Kone pro is great, but have issue with poling rate only 1000khz is consistant. Air has more issues" wireless option can be intefiered by software and even RGB on mouse. Aimo rgb option messing with poling rate, other rgb option does to but with less impact. Optimal is just turn off rgb interelt if you using it wirelessly. Software like icue can mess eith mouse( it did couse my mouse shutering on moving in fast paste games), so had to turn that off. Swarm itself couse some lag on pc, so most optimal way to use it on wireless is turn off rgb, after tuning your dpi, poling and etc turn off swarm and other software witch can have option to config mouse setings. On stat's mouse is great and performance is on top level if you do this steps, but on other side if you buy 130Eu worth mouse you espect to use it like normal mice and not do your own researth why stuff act like this and do fix that sacrifise build in feutures witch you payed for. If it would just work i would give it 10/10, but I would recomend pick kone pro and just keep it at 1000hz and keep rgb feuture or look for difrent mice entirely. Im kinda tweaking stuff guy and I most consurned about performance only so for me its not that bad. But for regular hard no, or pick wired version
Hey Techne can you please do a review of the JBL Quantum 800 gaming headset I would love to hear your thoughts about it. Also amazing vid like always! ;)
hey there. Thank you for wanting me to covert them, but no plans on covering the 800
I stinking look forward trying out this mouse. LOL!
I discovered I can't go back to larger ergo mice. The Kone feels too big, too restrictive for me.
I'm also spoiled by the XM1R's clicks, optical switches are so meh. Back to playing the wireless XM1 waiting game.
i know it's a tall order. but i really would love to see a review of the dygma raise keyboard. i value your opinion so much. thanks for the vids!
Hi Techne. Awesome video. Mouse looks superb. Will this work on Series X or Indeed PS5 ?
Bought this based on your recommendation and I stinkin love it!
Great Review, the thumb rest reminds me the Razer imperator. It would be cool to see reviews of old products
Doesn't really have to do with the mice, but I thought of it while watching. Noone had made a battery swappable mouse with reusable/ rechargeable batteries unless you use rechargeable regular 2x/3xA batteries. I am thinking of something to be similar to the Arctis pros. I know they have power play type things, but that is inhibitivly expensive at over $100 usually. Being able to change and charge batteries would keep waste down and allow for you to always be charged with that spare. I think it would be a cool thing for mice.
Yeah, Pwnage almost did rhat
Only real option here is something like G305 or Orochi V2 with one AAA rechargeable but i doubt a mouse with interchangeable battery from big manufacturers like Logitech/Razer would be cheaper than AAA battery + charger
Burst pro wireless please!!!!! Roccat. Make it happen bois!!!
The design in the way it fits the hand is really similar to my old logitech G5. I litteral only just replaced that mouse because I liked the fit so much I could not find anything that fitted my hand as good. I like my new Razer but I might have a look at this mouse still because of the shape.
Another great review! I love how your a fan of the big boy mice! All these tiny mice have become so popular and even though I’ve tried some of them I always go back to my Razer Basilisk. I love a larger mouse and even if a smaller mouse where to help my gameplay I’d choose a comfortable ergo any day.
I’m starting to think these tiny mice are popular due to all the kids playing fortnite, lol
@@TheTechne Ha! I never thought of that but that’s such a good point! They want the tiny drag click mice!
I miss the old "Hey everyone, Techne here with the review of the X product from Y company" :(
Very interesting, thx for the review. One question, do you think the ring finger could interfere with the right mouse button? I like to wrap my ring finger a bit around the top right corner of the mouse. Keep it up my man
Mine sits way below it
I'm constantly afraid that TurtleBeach is gonna muscle Roccat into building cheap stuff that breaks just as easily as the TB headsets but so far I'm pleasantly surprised, they seem to be allowed to uphold their quality standards.
Next I want a Kain 100 type mouse with the same lightweight + opto switch treatment as my Burst pro (and soon Kone Pro, pre-ordered that thing because I know what I want lol)
Turtle Beach as actually come a long way with their headsets
So glad they made the Kone bigger, I havent used the Pure Ultra but its tiny haha
You know that we have Kone XTD right?
love ur reviews just bought is because of this and its awsome
Its a little pricey. I think I'm sticking to my HK Mira-m. Good video though.
11 years of using Roccat and this definitely has to be my favorite except they released it while my Burst Pro was being delivered 😭
The Burst Pro is abit lighter and looks abit nicer in my opinion, just got my Burst Pro too but this one is also nice, I love roccat stuff
Which headset do you think is best for 90 euros or less. In terms of comfort, sound, microphone, everything. actually the whole picture
razer black sharks
@@TheTechne Thank you! i'm hesitating between the blackshark v2 x or the steelseries arctis 3. So you think the blackshark is the best?
Roccat now dominating 🔥
Titan optical switch is insane
Btw would like to see more 7:15 this angles.
Hi Techne, how is a comparision between a GPW and the new Kone Pro? How are the switches? Test older Roccat optical switches, was completly mess. How is the size, cause im using the GPW for at least since last years and no mouse was ever able to beat it. But a tiny bit bigger mouse would be fine.
How does the white version compare to the black version when it comes to rgb? White looks cleaner but I feel like the black reflects the rgb much better
Hey Techne, great video! I have also pre-ordered this mouse and I love it! :)
Just one more little hint since this mistake is made by many: it's pronounced like the word "rocket".
Not "row-cat". Simple and plain: "rocket".
Have a good day, Sir.
really? dang man I have been saying it wrong in so many videos, lol
Jo buddy, what is your opinion when you compare the steelseries prime wireless with the kone pro air? which is the better and more precise mouse? best regards from Potsdam ger
Rocket, you only consider pronounce it rowcat if it's spelled rocat. Frankly current wireless mouse connection technology could be easily interrupted, it really helps if you get a dongle to place the signal around your mouse as close as possible.
if the connector is usb C surely you can just use the cable that comes with it as a dongle?
I have the kain, and have been excited for this mouse! Do you think you'll keep using this over your g pro superlight and model o wireless for gaming?
My gpro and o wireless have been boxed up. This is my current main and I’m loving it
Hey, anyone has scroll click issue with this one? According to a few Amazon reviews, I saw some people reporting a stiff scroll click after just a day or two of using.
no spare feet with the wireless because you don't have to open it up and paracord it, potentially ruin the skates
Can u do a review on the steel series apex 100
Hey techne, can you check out the drevo falcon wireless? For 50 dollars, I think it’s a steal. You might not like the side buttons but you will like the shape. I would love to hear your opinions on it. Thank you!
What size of your hand Mr. techne ? i like g703 is kone pure air better?
Hm I just received mine, but its just too light for me. I have the old roccat kone aimo xtd I think its called, and it seems like every mouse I buy, just don't live up to it.. I have had it for around 10 years now, and it doesn't show any signs of slowing down.. Guess ill just stick to it. ^^
Hi techne, I heard rumours taht the black and white versions have different materials and that the white was better is this true, and also would you recommend a skin grip (lizard) for this
great Dorage (Dongle storage) options!
the kone pure ultra fits my hand perfectly, so i was hoping this was just gonna be a wireless version of that, but since its so different, i will not be buying this one :(
Should I be sad that I got the burst pro because my pinky can't fit on it😔
That old roccat swarm god
As always I really love your reviews, keep it up. what is your hand size dimensions cm?
I believe about 10x19
@@TheTechne Thanks!
Pretty sure you don't get extra feet on the wireless one because you'll not need to open to change the cable?
good call, I didn't;t think about that
It looks like an ergo G305. I like that!
I need a giant mouse for giant hands nothing fits even the model d doesn’t fit when I claw it
You're probably not going to see this, but how is it holding up after 3 months? Any issues we should be aware of? :)
very solid, and I actually have a video planned to touch on it ;)
@@TheTechne thank you taking the time to reply to me! I'll look out for that video. I just ordered one and I'm super pumped for it to come. Keep up the solid work man!
I loved the kone owl eye, dunno if is should get this mouse
I just got the kone pro I love everything about it,I’m really impressed by the cable tho but I only have one problem it’s the scroll wheel,I like fast scroll wheels,I’m getting sued to it my rating is 9.5/10
How does the kone pro hold up, any issues with it?
I want a mouse where my pinky finger doesn't Drag on the mouse mat. But I use a Logitech G pro wired. So it maybe a bit small.
I've been a user of the Kone line for years now and they finnaly address my 1 biggest issue, the small side buttons, but of course they also put it on a bigger mouse :( feelsbadman
les go reviews are popping up
Hi, could u review the new roccat magma keyboard
I am thinking about covering them
One thing your forgot to mention, and is what i was waiting the whole video for was the weight of the mouse. Weight matters alot when it comes to mice
It was shown on screen in the first minute or so of the vid
Which 1 is better in your opinion steelseries arctis 1 or arctis 5 btw great vid keep up the grind💙
5's
im torn Between 3 options.
Roccat Kone Pro
Razer Viper Ultimate
G Pro wireless "Not the super light"
thoughts ?
mostly for gaming.
for me Kone Pro all day long
I also love this mouse. I have the wired version. Soo light 👍
How's it holding up? Any problems?
Ok I went to PC world (UK computer store, if that isn't obvious by the name lol) and tried this mouse. Holyyy those clicks are nice!
right! and the shape is like a glove
@@TheTechne it's beautiful - definitely one i'm considering for the future!
Still using my roccat kain😉
Such a great mouse, I want it in wireless so bad (my bad burst pro)
@@TheTechne it is in wireless. You reviewed it, and didn't like it. Are you talking about the Burst?
@@Bumzen oh yeah whoops, my bad, lol. PS: I did but another Main Wireless and it was solid, so the one I reviewed must have been a dud
Hey Tecne! Can you please tell me, does all razer mice support separating X&Y sensitivity
Hmm im not sure i like that clack clack sound over the usual click click sound the EMP pure kone had..but i do like the shape and rgb..im gona sleep on this
it's a bigger mouse, so it might hurt when sleeping on it.
@@TheTechne haha :p While i got your attention here. I have the EMP kone and im interrested in this mouse since its the best hand formed mouse i had. But what do you think about the titan click noise compared to the old omni clickers ? Since alot of gamers dislike these titan clickers.
@@Psycrovv at first I didn't like them on the Burst pro, but I'm so use to them now, they are perfectly fine. just give them some time
@@TheTechne Hmm i guess ur right Thx for ur jokes and info :p Btw is the wireless or the wired ur main `?
For such an extreme price i would've expected the dpi switch to be behind the scrollwheel like most gaming mice have.
How the heck did Crapcat not notice this?
BTW, is it stinkin' cozy for a palm grip for my 20x10 cm hands?
I wonder how you would compare this to the Glorious Model D, I consider that shape to be the "classic" ergo mouse shape copied from the the Zowie EC1
yeah the ec1/model d are dang new identical in shape
Is there option to assign sound output switching in the SW? Like if I would like to switch between speakers and headphones with single button.
It would be great if u made many small balls for different mice like at 1:45 and let us compare in 1 screen
Looks great, but I got the Burst Pro for only $45 bc it's on sale rn
can somone tell me (someone who has used this mouse for at least half a year) is there any scroll wheel issue? ive seen a lot of reviews saying the scroll wheel just breaks after some months of usage, and this might be a throwback for me from the mouse which is unfortunate cuz the shape looks like it fits my grip like a part of my body
Have this mouse for over a year now.. no scroll wheel issues for me, best mouse ive used for years
Not on my wired version. I use it daily since july 2021
I've been using Roccat Kone Pro Air for 9 months and the scroll wheel has slowly become horrible quality
Deserve to be in my recommend