Then why does it work so well on Lingering Will? 😂 Don't get me wrong, what you said IS true but I get the feeling Terra's an exception. Not that I'm complaining lol
@@raptorlewis273 LOL, you're right. But (to clarify) I was exclusively referring to the Data Org. fights. The "Negative Combo + Fenrir" strat is more effective against Roxas than Xemnas; it does the same amount of damage, but Xemnas is harder to hit because he has better mobility and ranged capabilities, therefore making the strat take longer.
@@raptorlewis273 Lingering Will is a difficult boss because his attacks are fast paced and very difficult to dodge if you've never faced him before. His DM, for example, has some atttacks that can be Guarded and others that cannot. So in exchange his RV is 25 and he's easy to stunlock (if you find the opening, which you have to earn anyway). That's why the Fenrir strat works.
I'm low-key amazed at how little lag there is in KH2 for landing and jumping again. You get to land, jump, and attack again all before they're out of hitstun.
This is the difference between the old combat philosophy and the new one. Every game after 2 has been considered floaty because finishers no longer snap you to the ground. With negative combo and Fenrir most bosses should get cheesed by this
Yeah, the Osaka team absolutely murdered the flow this game had. Particle effects and shiny graphics will never top the nirvana that was the combat of KH2.
@@C_Train74 very much so agreed. I've come to love the others more than I used to, even 3 has grown on me with how flashy and fun it is, but admittedly the original teams combat philosophy is better
Let’s analyze this thoroughly. Strap in, this is gonna be a long thread. Short explanation as to why the Fenrir strat works, Sora’s neutral air finisher puts some (not all) humanoid bosses into a damage wobble animation. In this animation, they can’t retaliate. So if you string finishers together by jumping, you can loop them. If you do this, make sure they don’t touch a wall that is angled. If they hit a wall that is weirdly shaped, they’ll be in the air long enough to recognize that their revenge value threshold has been reached and they’ll instantly retaliate. I’ve done this for all 13 data fights as well, so thank you for compiling them into a very nice video. Here’s the results: All fights that happen in an arena with flat ground, and invisible walls are pretty much guaranteed to work. Roxas: guaranteed to work, and for added style points, if you take his Keyblades, they deal bonus damage for you. Larxene: guaranteed to work, but you can’t let her split. If she does split, merge her clone back into her with the RC and then wail on her. Marluxia: Guaranteed to work. Nothing special Luxord: terrain doesn’t support the strat and he has a special animation where he becomes a card for a split second before jumping away. Demyx: In theory it is possible, you just have to get past the water clone phases. He does these guaranteed and they are not negotiable. Problem is that the walls of this arena aren’t flat. So, as you saw in the video, he retaliated when he touched the walls. Axel: Obviously possible from the video, you just have to use the RC to get rid of the lava floor. Saïx: Is possible and you can even stop his berserk mode altogether. If you start the fight using the “guard break” ability, you’ll stop him from charging up the berserk meter. From there, do the strat normally. Zexion: Terrain doesn’t support it. The terrain is not flat. He’ll hit something and immediately jump away and trap you. In my mind it seems possible, but tried multiple times to no effect. Lexaeus: Possible, but not fool proof. Problem here is his HP gates. At certain HP levels he’ll automatically power up. Defend until you find an opening, rinse, repeat. Vexen: Works but not fool proof. He has an HP gate like Lexaeus where he’ll automatically do a DM. If you survive it, he’ll summon an anti-Sora. Destroy it like you did in the video, rinse, repeat, win. Xaldin: His movement doesn’t support it. He’s always floating in the air, so he doesn’t go into damage wobble. Xigbar: Won’t work. He’s always upside down, and in the air, so he’ll always know to retaliate. Xemnas 1: Terrain doesn’t support it. He’s got a special animation where he puts himself in a cocoon like thing. Xemnas 2: won’t work. He’s always in the air, so he’ll always know to retaliate.
I have 0 problems doing this against Lexaeus. Let him push you, block his first hit, do the RC and then start wailing. Is it different on the steam version?
Are we just gonna ignore how final form reflect may actually be better than wisdom fire for dealing with water clones? It doesn't take much MP,has good range, and also takes out the clones in 1 hit.
You would need Fenrir because the keyblades won't go out until the final hit. Spamming fire wisdom makes you slide around and it has a larger hotboxes to guarantee a hit Edit: it will stay in Fenrir cheese anyways
Eh for me that's not true. I can't stand using that reflect thing unless I'm in my normal state. I never get the timing down right. Its a lot easier for me to transform into my final form and spam fire instead. However I noticed that the reflect thing doesn't use that much me so it's not a bad idea altogether. Its just not for me.
It really isn't better, Final costs 5 drive bars. The mp isn't a problem since you can use ethers and those are reflect finishers because of double negative combo so it wouldn't even work at lvl 1 or without Fenrir in general and using Fenrir on bosses if you aren't trying to cheese them isn't worth it. Duck Flare is the best way technically.
@@jR0xas Duck Flare/Magnega. But Final Form Reflega is still viable and preferable here... higher radius of damage, they clearly have Fenrir for the Data fights, (not the original fights) and Fire finishers don't hit as hard/multiple times like Reflega does.
I was iffy on the Negative Combo Plus ability for this Keyblade until I was told a while ago it lets you access your Finisher earlier. I have clue if I'll actually try this myself, but it is pretty nice. Also, I find it interesting how Demyx still puts up quite a fight.
Cloud and Leon(Squall): Renzokuken? OmniSlash? What is this monstrosity!? Also: What Marluxia really said to Sora before the fight was that he ate his mother's dinner that Sora was supposed to eat the night him, Riku, and Kairi went missing.
@@Tsukiru Oh man, I remember the "Snake doesn't belong with nintendo" arguments when Sm4sh came out. Now that there are guides on Kazuya coming out, I don't think I want to play him now. Plus I played against campy fox/falco players when trying him. They must not like him getting close. I am too busy looking up ways to possibly play dragon quest IX with Hamachi to be disappointed. I see that a group plays metal gear solid portable ops+ On discord. I just don't get why Hamachi doesn't work with a NDS emulator for DQIX. Now it's down to the wire, because so many characters wanted in Smash now only have one slot left. Not sure if Sakurai-San has another DLC pack coming after this.
Is the cheese literally take off every combo mod and combo plus not to mention add on the ability + Fenrirs negative combo? If so then I know what I’m gonna do for a challenge for this game
"There's no fun in this..." Boy wasn't he right. He was the Most difficult organization member for me to complete. I was surprised when it only took me a few attempts to beat Xemnas in comparison too this guy.
Here's something i did with xemmnas 1. When he uses his guard, you can use guard break to launch him. Though he'll only take two bonks before retaliating. If you mess up, i just use trinity as it can launh him as well and also set up for bonks.
I’m surprised you could actually make this strategy work for every Organisation member, I thought the way some battles had to be fought were designed to prevent the Fenrir stun trick in the first place.
It took a lot of practice. For some bosses it worked but for others I couldnt manage. It worked at first but they break out the revenge value so I couldnt kill them fast
@BreadSticksSansUndertaleIt's not what they say, it's more how they act towards similar games. Take KH3 for example. They're quicker to point out the flaws while letting their KH2 bias shine often exaggerating 3's flaws. My point is people act like this game is a masterpiece when there're a TON of design flaws that 1 and 3 don't have. Yeah, no game is perfect but there's a strong case 3 and 1 have better design choices even regarding the combat. Not only are they more streamlined so it's easier to learn, but they retain a highish skill ceiling to master where most of your choices matter. Sure, 3 isn't balanced when you compare your arsenal to the enemies but when it comes to your options, not one set of strats trumps another whereas in 2 and 2FM, it's melee and RC the whole time with magic mostly being situational by comparison to melee especially since MP is much more limited compared to 3.😂 Hell, I would even argue that just because 3 is easy, that's more due to less BS. My experience with 2 was completely frustrating mostly with the game poorly communicating to me how a large number of the new mechanics worked. If I had the option to learn and practice each thing in a controlled environment with better wording in the info box, I might've had a more fun experience instead of the game treating me like an idiot with beginner traps. (No, Beginner mode isn't THE solution to poor design.) Not to mention, bad RNG made it really annoying to implement any real tactic even those the community deemed optimal. No matter how I tried to improve, the game would screw me over. That aside, there's the hidden anti-form mechanics, the lack of being able to use items mid air for some reason, the over powered nature of Limits, the fact bosses require finishers to be beaten meaning they can snatch victory from you if you were caught off guard. Like, there's a ton of issues no one calls 2FM out on legitimately. No one is critical enough when looking at it. And, yet anything like 3 or anything that's not 2 gets dunked on continuously and unfairly. Sorry for the rant but I needed to call the 2 and 2FM community on their bullshit. Do I hate 2FM? Not at all. It's fine enough for a game but it needs more scrutiny and objectivity from the KH community especially the 2 fanboys.
@@ProbablyAlmondIt's more so that the game would be actively punishing you for making a mistake rather than difficulty. Difficult games balance their difficulty with having a way for players to correct an error. Dark Souls, as notoriously difficult as it is, has flasks for example.
@@zjuraeventide8949 The game DOES punish you all the time MP is completely taken away for a reason, just because it's not instant death doesn't mean you aren't punished
@@OmegaRedFanI'm pretty sure there's no need. There's one way to make sure Kingdom Key deals more damage than the Fenrir use in the video, and that's farming Power Boosts through specific Data Org. fights or adding Serenity Crystals when synthysizing Defence Boosts.
It looks like Luxord, Demyx, Zexion, Xaldin, Xigbar, & both Xemnas fights are lactose tolerant to the Fenrir cheese strat. Vexen got out due to his scripted Desperation Move around 5.5 bars of health & Lexaeus got out due to a certain amount threshold going to his next phase.
i love it when you beat a desperation move that ends with them on one hp because of he following moment of you charging them full force and BONKING them is always hilarious
I remember getting stuck on Demyx in the original KH2. But that was before I knew that a game like this required things like equipping tools and armor and leveling up your character. Me being Autistic and not having gained a fine grasp on reading until age 12 may have played a part. But I eventually got to where I can get through these games with no issue.
Luxord is a magic the gathering player that INSISTS you play magic the gathering, and no matter how many times you punch him he pops back up and says "hey fam wanna play some commander format?"
I know it's years past at this point, but you should probably set Goofy and Donald to... I believe it was 'Sora Attack' so they don't take any offensive actions against your targets. They can actually mess with each boss's Revenge Value and heighten the likelihood of a boss actually breaking free.
![KH2FM - Lvl. 1 CoR + Data Org in 25:02.517 [TAS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/L4dY3bihQw4/mqdefault.jpg)
"I fear not the man who has practiced 1000 kicks, but the man who has practiced 1 kick 1000 times"
Bruce lee😊😊😊😊😊
Doesn't take as much practice as Firaga spam throughout the whole KH trilogy lol
Wait, does or doesn't?@@GawainW
Sun Tzu
dude lmfao
There can't be a better place to comment this
Saïx: do you feel it? The moon's power
Sora: do you feel it? Fenrir's power
@kyestar88 I wanna learn
@@roleemack1535 Fenrir is Loki's child and a Giant Wolf.
Couple that with the moon thing and it has a strong sense of irony.
Heh the irony
pretty sure Saix's line is actually "Can you feel it? The moon's power?"
Saïx "do you feel it, the moons power"
Sora "do you feel it, Peter pans power"
Sora giving the bonking of a lifetime towards all of the organization members.
yes
Learned from the best: Donald Duck.
Whatever horny they had has been completely annihilated and people have the balls to say Sora doesn't deserve the rank of master.
why tf did this make me laugh so hard.
"You think you want some chips with that cheese?"
-Skips; Regular Show
"Oh yeah I guess I over did it with the cheese."
legendary comment
When you read this in his voice. Lol
Funny skips and master eraqus share the same voice
Luxord is like: THIS IS NOT HOW YOU PLAY SORA
I read it with a British accent lmao
Sora: Screw the rules, I have munny!
@@NotSoraXIII Isn't he Irish?
Luxord and Dymyx said nah you are gonna play this properly.
Probably because their arenas are so small the Fenrir Strat is doesnt work that well
@noVva555
No its because of thier gimmicks, they get i frames to use special abilities.
Sora: *spams air finisher*
Luxord: _No._
What spam
"Do you know the rules?"
Luxord is just like "Sora you can't always brute force your way through battle"
Sora is just like "Bet."
Bet indeed.
@RetroTronDude Sora: RUH! AHA!
So, the moral of the story is: it's ludicrously powerful, but becomes less effective the higher up you go.
Yep
Then why does it work so well on Lingering Will? 😂 Don't get me wrong, what you said IS true but I get the feeling Terra's an exception. Not that I'm complaining lol
@@raptorlewis273 LOL, you're right. But (to clarify) I was exclusively referring to the Data Org. fights. The "Negative Combo + Fenrir" strat is more effective against Roxas than Xemnas; it does the same amount of damage, but Xemnas is harder to hit because he has better mobility and ranged capabilities, therefore making the strat take longer.
@@ATK1734Yeah, its effectiveness is dependent on the opponent’s moveset, mechanics, and retaliation behavior.
@@raptorlewis273 Lingering Will is a difficult boss because his attacks are fast paced and very difficult to dodge if you've never faced him before. His DM, for example, has some atttacks that can be Guarded and others that cannot. So in exchange his RV is 25 and he's easy to stunlock (if you find the opening, which you have to earn anyway). That's why the Fenrir strat works.
I'm low-key amazed at how little lag there is in KH2 for landing and jumping again. You get to land, jump, and attack again all before they're out of hitstun.
yeah jumps cancel the endlag animation you can do this in kh1 too and cast a lpt of magic really fast
This is the difference between the old combat philosophy and the new one. Every game after 2 has been considered floaty because finishers no longer snap you to the ground. With negative combo and Fenrir most bosses should get cheesed by this
Yeah, the Osaka team absolutely murdered the flow this game had. Particle effects and shiny graphics will never top the nirvana that was the combat of KH2.
@@C_Train74 very much so agreed. I've come to love the others more than I used to, even 3 has grown on me with how flashy and fun it is, but admittedly the original teams combat philosophy is better
Okay now so this to sephiroth
Luxord: The first one to run out of time is the loser
Sora: No, the first person to get hit by my Fenrir is the loser.
Let’s analyze this thoroughly. Strap in, this is gonna be a long thread.
Short explanation as to why the Fenrir strat works, Sora’s neutral air finisher puts some (not all) humanoid bosses into a damage wobble animation. In this animation, they can’t retaliate. So if you string finishers together by jumping, you can loop them. If you do this, make sure they don’t touch a wall that is angled. If they hit a wall that is weirdly shaped, they’ll be in the air long enough to recognize that their revenge value threshold has been reached and they’ll instantly retaliate. I’ve done this for all 13 data fights as well, so thank you for compiling them into a very nice video. Here’s the results:
All fights that happen in an arena with flat ground, and invisible walls are pretty much guaranteed to work.
Roxas: guaranteed to work, and for added style points, if you take his Keyblades, they deal bonus damage for you.
Larxene: guaranteed to work, but you can’t let her split. If she does split, merge her clone back into her with the RC and then wail on her.
Marluxia: Guaranteed to work. Nothing special
Luxord: terrain doesn’t support the strat and he has a special animation where he becomes a card for a split second before jumping away.
Demyx: In theory it is possible, you just have to get past the water clone phases. He does these guaranteed and they are not negotiable. Problem is that the walls of this arena aren’t flat. So, as you saw in the video, he retaliated when he touched the walls.
Axel: Obviously possible from the video, you just have to use the RC to get rid of the lava floor.
Saïx: Is possible and you can even stop his berserk mode altogether. If you start the fight using the “guard break” ability, you’ll stop him from charging up the berserk meter. From there, do the strat normally.
Zexion: Terrain doesn’t support it. The terrain is not flat. He’ll hit something and immediately jump away and trap you. In my mind it seems possible, but tried multiple times to no effect.
Lexaeus: Possible, but not fool proof. Problem here is his HP gates. At certain HP levels he’ll automatically power up. Defend until you find an opening, rinse, repeat.
Vexen: Works but not fool proof. He has an HP gate like Lexaeus where he’ll automatically do a DM. If you survive it, he’ll summon an anti-Sora. Destroy it like you did in the video, rinse, repeat, win.
Xaldin: His movement doesn’t support it. He’s always floating in the air, so he doesn’t go into damage wobble.
Xigbar: Won’t work. He’s always upside down, and in the air, so he’ll always know to retaliate.
Xemnas 1: Terrain doesn’t support it. He’s got a special animation where he puts himself in a cocoon like thing.
Xemnas 2: won’t work. He’s always in the air, so he’ll always know to retaliate.
So basically the only reason this works for Roxas and a few of the org members is the circular arena that doesn't have a proper wall.
@@UltimaKeyMaster correct. If there is any collision that leaves them airborne for even a few extra frames, they will retaliate.
I have 0 problems doing this against Lexaeus. Let him push you, block his first hit, do the RC and then start wailing. Is it different on the steam version?
this is an alternate timeline sora where he canonically beats the Organization like this because he dumped all his skills into strength
Berserk
@@burritowyrm6530soroids
Marluxia deserves this
Agreed
Xemnas is like: I've seen that move a billion times from Roxas and his air combo gear keyblades. Do better or lose your heart. 😂
Ryu low kick spam vs Bison moment
How to beat the super bosses of kh2
Play the game and try to beat Sephirot
Beat Sephirot
Jump
Hit
Repeat the last 2 steps
You forgotten about most important step: grind until you get negative combo(whenever after or before sephiroth)
@@User1273- oh yeah i forgot that
*sephiroph
Include Lingering Will there
@@smoreblox3485 *Sephiroth!
the virgin Explosion
THE CHAD VANILLA AIR COMBO FINISHER
As someone with the reflexes of a dead cat, I can appreciate the base level of skill and timing needed for these cheesy tactics.
Thank you sir
I didn’t know you could use the same cheese strat for all bosses, now I found my missing edge, thanks a bunch
Im boutta cheese the shit out of all data bosses now🤣🤣
Do it without it. It's easy even on critical.
Are we just gonna ignore how final form reflect may actually be better than wisdom fire for dealing with water clones? It doesn't take much MP,has good range, and also takes out the clones in 1 hit.
There's also no risk of Anti Form
You would need Fenrir because the keyblades won't go out until the final hit. Spamming fire wisdom makes you slide around and it has a larger hotboxes to guarantee a hit
Edit: it will stay in Fenrir cheese anyways
Eh for me that's not true. I can't stand using that reflect thing unless I'm in my normal state. I never get the timing down right. Its a lot easier for me to transform into my final form and spam fire instead. However I noticed that the reflect thing doesn't use that much me so it's not a bad idea altogether. Its just not for me.
It really isn't better, Final costs 5 drive bars. The mp isn't a problem since you can use ethers and those are reflect finishers because of double negative combo so it wouldn't even work at lvl 1 or without Fenrir in general and using Fenrir on bosses if you aren't trying to cheese them isn't worth it. Duck Flare is the best way technically.
@@jR0xas Duck Flare/Magnega. But Final Form Reflega is still viable and preferable here... higher radius of damage, they clearly have Fenrir for the Data fights, (not the original fights) and Fire finishers don't hit as hard/multiple times like Reflega does.
The X and O buttons: we're tired boss😭
Well that's too damn bad, keep mashing
@@TimothyGodimagine losing on the final boss then repeat from the first boss in the area! 😂
@@kevinmorad2563 with early checkpoints of "continue" i wouldn't have been surprised lol
Demyx: Dance Water Dance!
Sora: Dance Fenrir Dance!
More Like: DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE
@@xCratuss what
sora says defense all the time. did you not watch the fight?@@smoreblox3485
Sora: AHA! AHA! HA! RAH!
Demyx: Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.
Finishers tend to add a high value to the boss's revenge meter. Too bad they can't take their revenge.
Everyone has a plan until they get bonked in the face.
If you hit saix twice to begin, you can use the strat for the rest of the battle and never have to worry about his combos
Sora: “Why! Won’t! You! Die!”
Luxord: “Cards >: D”
Seeing Larxene get beat like this was soooo satisfying..
I was iffy on the Negative Combo Plus ability for this Keyblade until I was told a while ago it lets you access your Finisher earlier. I have clue if I'll actually try this myself, but it is pretty nice. Also, I find it interesting how Demyx still puts up quite a fight.
Demyx might be taking revenge because d n g are hitting him. Setting them to Sora attack should make it easier
A minute in the video and I’m just like “poor roxas”
Delicious cheese. So good
🧀🧀🧀
tfw donald over there starts using *thunder* on *larxene*
The game is rigged bro.
This man out here beating the Organization with the Dragon Slayer
Xaldin been Xaldin... he sure deserves the "Superboss" Title
Or use magnega when he teleports
There’s no way your fingers DIDNT HURT LIKE HELL after this
Nope I was vibing
Nah they hurt more from consecutively mashing, like in DMC
You have to press X by tapping your finger as fast as you can lol
Luxord is like, i just wanna play a game
"No, you cant just cheese most of the difficult bosses in the game."
Sora: **aggressive cartwheeling**
I'm both surprised and not surprised that the Fenrir strat doesn't work on all the bosses. Lol
This is why they won't let Sora in Smash
My comment will be deleted on October 5th if you’re right. Until then have a nice day.
@@voltingmaster5458 We'll see.
@@voltingmaster5458 3 more days
Guess who just got into Smash!
Youre wrong
Fun how this works, for the most part, with the fm bosses but for the baseline ones doesn’t, it feels like they didn’t have time to test it out on fm
Larxene really enjoyed those smacks
This is the definition of cheese... and I love cheese
He really said: BONK
Lore accurate sora be like, "unga bunga bonk dem wif keybwade"
Cloud and Leon(Squall): Renzokuken? OmniSlash? What is this monstrosity!?
Also: What Marluxia really said to Sora before the fight was that he ate his mother's dinner that Sora was supposed to eat the night him, Riku, and Kairi went missing.
I always thought he told Sora he will never make it to Super Smash
@@drlatiin813 This was the best one. As much as I love kingdom hearts, I don't think he belongs in Smash.
@@Tsukiru Oh man, I remember the "Snake doesn't belong with nintendo" arguments when Sm4sh came out. Now that there are guides on Kazuya coming out, I don't think I want to play him now. Plus I played against campy fox/falco players when trying him. They must not like him getting close.
I am too busy looking up ways to possibly play dragon quest IX with Hamachi to be disappointed. I see that a group plays metal gear solid portable ops+ On discord. I just don't get why Hamachi doesn't work with a NDS emulator for DQIX.
Now it's down to the wire, because so many characters wanted in Smash now only have one slot left. Not sure if Sakurai-San has another DLC pack coming after this.
@@Joe_334 so. Four months late but *_SO._*
Is the cheese literally take off every combo mod and combo plus not to mention add on the ability + Fenrirs negative combo?
If so then I know what I’m gonna do for a challenge for this game
Lol you're right about that. I have all the requirements in the description to perform this strat
Don't forget to add the negative combo you get from leveling
You would also avoid high jump since that extra height and slightly longer jump animation can ruin the set up for some bosses
I get larxene in a loop but she always break free to do her last desperate move or whatever
The minute I saw that pause menu on Luxord, I could just hear the cascade of swears being shouted at him.
Axel- "BURN BABY!!!"
Sora- "FENRIR NEGATIVE COMBO BABY!!!"
Sora literally bonks organization 13 to their deaths.
Ye
"There's no fun in this..."
Boy wasn't he right. He was the Most difficult organization member for me to complete. I was surprised when it only took me a few attempts to beat Xemnas in comparison too this guy.
Roxas: Guh guh guh guh guh guh
Sora: AAAH-HA
Marluxia: 🤮, 🤮, 🤮, 🤮
Sora: AAAH-HA
We're some of my favorite quotes.
Here's something i did with xemmnas 1. When he uses his guard, you can use guard break to launch him. Though he'll only take two bonks before retaliating. If you mess up, i just use trinity as it can launh him as well and also set up for bonks.
This went crazy on final xemnas for me, lowkey had me hyped to see someone did this for all of them
I like to imagine the bosses just trying their best to get out of stunlock, meanwhile Sora's just bashing their heads in with a Keyblade.
I’m surprised you could actually make this strategy work for every Organisation member, I thought the way some battles had to be fought were designed to prevent the Fenrir stun trick in the first place.
It took a lot of practice. For some bosses it worked but for others I couldnt manage. It worked at first but they break out the revenge value so I couldnt kill them fast
That one reaction command on Marluxia is almost 5 bars.💀
Lol xD
Luxord is such an interesting fight
Luxord's a pain in the a** and I hate his fight the most alongside Demyx's.
@@hydellas678 figured the rules out?
@@mobgabriel1767 It's been a loooooong while since I fought either of them but yea I did after many failure attempts.
That keyblade was OP I can upper cut so much and still have no hits on me
When someone tells you Kingdom Hearts 2 combat has no flaws...
Many such sad cases
@BreadSticksSansUndertaleIt's not what they say, it's more how they act towards similar games. Take KH3 for example. They're quicker to point out the flaws while letting their KH2 bias shine often exaggerating 3's flaws. My point is people act like this game is a masterpiece when there're a TON of design flaws that 1 and 3 don't have. Yeah, no game is perfect but there's a strong case 3 and 1 have better design choices even regarding the combat. Not only are they more streamlined so it's easier to learn, but they retain a highish skill ceiling to master where most of your choices matter. Sure, 3 isn't balanced when you compare your arsenal to the enemies but when it comes to your options, not one set of strats trumps another whereas in 2 and 2FM, it's melee and RC the whole time with magic mostly being situational by comparison to melee especially since MP is much more limited compared to 3.😂 Hell, I would even argue that just because 3 is easy, that's more due to less BS. My experience with 2 was completely frustrating mostly with the game poorly communicating to me how a large number of the new mechanics worked. If I had the option to learn and practice each thing in a controlled environment with better wording in the info box, I might've had a more fun experience instead of the game treating me like an idiot with beginner traps. (No, Beginner mode isn't THE solution to poor design.) Not to mention, bad RNG made it really annoying to implement any real tactic even those the community deemed optimal. No matter how I tried to improve, the game would screw me over. That aside, there's the hidden anti-form mechanics, the lack of being able to use items mid air for some reason, the over powered nature of Limits, the fact bosses require finishers to be beaten meaning they can snatch victory from you if you were caught off guard. Like, there's a ton of issues no one calls 2FM out on legitimately. No one is critical enough when looking at it. And, yet anything like 3 or anything that's not 2 gets dunked on continuously and unfairly. Sorry for the rant but I needed to call the 2 and 2FM community on their bullshit. Do I hate 2FM? Not at all. It's fine enough for a game but it needs more scrutiny and objectivity from the KH community especially the 2 fanboys.
Pues eso ya no funcionara en el tres
nah 2 is pretty good lol
@@raptorlewis273 hop off
If only I knew that's strat earlier, so much hours of my life waste in die and retry
on the bright side, you can always say that you beat them without the cheese strat
@@yeetmaster-eb1xq also doesn’t work on lv1 crit cause second negative combo needs level up
@@aspreedacore i didnt even say anything about lvl1 what are you on
@@yeetmaster-eb1xq just stating the fact you can’t use this strat on a lv1 play though
@@aspreedacore I was legit wondering if I could do this on my lvl1 crit play through lmao so thanks
My fave keyblade. Even if it sacrifices slither of the spirit, but that kinda gives grounds for new to come up.
still arguably the coldest looking keyblade in my opinion
I wish the Fenrir Keychain made a comeback in KH3
Right then this game wouldn't be balanced now would it ha but in beginning after Olympus we be op and grind through it in only on level 30
@@roleemack1535 Because of Negative Combo. Berserk and Negagive Combo was a short cut for the hard bosses
dont close your eyes for the larxene one
If it weren't for Sora's ability to just heal himself over and over again I don't think 93% of players would ever beat kingdom hearts 1 or 2
I feel like you could say that for most RPGs
This is an example of difficulty not meaning the game is good if you aren’t allowed to heal the game stops being fun in most cases
@@ProbablyAlmondIt's more so that the game would be actively punishing you for making a mistake rather than difficulty. Difficult games balance their difficulty with having a way for players to correct an error. Dark Souls, as notoriously difficult as it is, has flasks for example.
@@zjuraeventide8949 The game DOES punish you all the time MP is completely taken away for a reason, just because it's not instant death doesn't mean you aren't punished
@@keatonyung938 I don't think you understood what I was referring to
The way xemnas decided to cheese you back with the energy spheres was hilarious
My god Sora’s like that dude who cracked that other dude upside the head with a can of twisted tea.
Luxord: "The first to run out of time loses"
Sora: "I ain't doing all that bro"
This keyblade does so much damage to them i'm just shocked to see how much damage it's doing
It's the level 99 not the key keyblade. I dom more damage with kingdom key than this.
@@johnpantag472bro what Fenrir has a higher strength stat than Kingdom Key how are you doing this
@@johnpantag472 prove it. Make a video. Prove you're not using an emulator
@@OmegaRedFanI'm pretty sure there's no need. There's one way to make sure Kingdom Key deals more damage than the Fenrir use in the video, and that's farming Power Boosts through specific Data Org. fights or adding Serenity Crystals when synthysizing Defence Boosts.
@@OmegaRedFanyes
The fact it’s basically just spamming Braver makes this imo the most canonically accurate Cloud Keyblade by far lol
Luxord: How about a game?
Sora: Sure, I choose Wack-a-Mole, and you're the mole.
While Megaman is the Jump and Shoot man
Sora is the Jump and Hit Guy
And Mario is the Jumpman. Would Mario be able to kill the organization members by jumping on them?
@@linkskywalker5417 yes, if he lands on their heads.
As far as I know this also works against any boss you can flinch in the randomizer.
If it can get knocked back, it can get fenrir combo'd to death.
It looks like Luxord, Demyx, Zexion, Xaldin, Xigbar, & both Xemnas fights are lactose tolerant to the Fenrir cheese strat.
Vexen got out due to his scripted Desperation Move around 5.5 bars of health & Lexaeus got out due to a certain amount threshold going to his next phase.
Crazy how the "weaker" members are harder to stun-lock.
i love it when you beat a desperation move that ends with them on one hp
because of he following moment of you charging them full force and BONKING them is always hilarious
Lexaeus thinking he’s the most well known for brute force until sora walks in with fenrir
Xemnas is like; Its over Sora, I have downloaded your moveset.
Sora: That's impossible
Where these bosses are too much and you got to get a move on:
Also, it was cathartic seeing Larxene being cheesed
The ultimate “press x to win”
Tap* x
Press too slow
DANCE WATER DANCE!!! **DANCE WATER DANCE!!**
AAAAHHH PLEASE STOP!!
I swear, something about Critical Mode makes you do way more damage.
I love the boss fights immune to the cheese
The fact that this works on Marluxia just makes this amazing alone
Man if this ONLY worked on Zexion consistently.
years later but did you put high jump back on for xigbar nvm i see why you would need it back on lol
I feel like everybody's compelled to hit the Marluxia reaction command at least 1 time.
the true definition of endgame
Get up on the hydras back!
I remember getting stuck on Demyx in the original KH2. But that was before I knew that a game like this required things like equipping tools and armor and leveling up your character. Me being Autistic and not having gained a fine grasp on reading until age 12 may have played a part. But I eventually got to where I can get through these games with no issue.
Sora: AH HA! AHA!
Roxas: Sora please stop I wanna actually fig-
Sora: RUH!
Thanks to you I was able to beat them all 🎉 zexion was the hardest imo I hate those damn books seconded by xemnas and the spear guy on the bridge :P
Luxord is a magic the gathering player that INSISTS you play magic the gathering, and no matter how many times you punch him he pops back up and says "hey fam wanna play some commander format?"
I would love to know what his strength stat is especially when every time I use a finished it doesn’t do nearly as much damage as this
Strength stat is 100
For the axel fight when he's doing his triangle attack how did you dodge and throw the keyblade at him?
The metallpipe Sound meme would be perfect here
I know it's years past at this point, but you should probably set Goofy and Donald to... I believe it was 'Sora Attack' so they don't take any offensive actions against your targets. They can actually mess with each boss's Revenge Value and heighten the likelihood of a boss actually breaking free.
You're right. I'll take note of this for future videos. Thank you👍
So your telling me. I CAN LITERALLY BEAT EVERY DATA ORG MEMBER AND NOT TAKE 5 HOURS JUST TO BEAT 1 ORG MEMBER!?
if you play juat thw audio in the larxene battle it sounds dirty
I noticed that while I was recording the video lmao
"This is my beat-stick"
When you meet that one guy in street fighter who uses the same projectile attack