I’ve been working for a landscaping company and we never use weed barrier unless the customer really insists. Waste of time and money. The seeds will still lodge in between the stone and grow. I see it every day. Get a good pre-emergent herbicide and put that on the rocks. If you don’t like chemicals then just stay vigilant about pulling the weeds out when they’re young. They usually pop right out. Great job again as usual.
Here’s two cents to throw in the conversation. I owned a landscape company for over 31 years and I wouldn’t put rock down without fabric. Now, we are in zone 5 where there is a lot of freeze/thaw cycles that actually cause the soil to “ swallow up “ the rock which creates a really big dirt-rock mess. To your point, we don’t put fabric under wood mulch.
Cutting up sod is TOUGH work. I admire you - your work ethic is excellent, and you’re not afraid to fail as part of your development as a solid handy-woman. Well done.
I bought a geo-grid product for a large patio area we were building. I had the the same problem. On our install we were able to rectify it my using 57 stone as the first layer and #8 for the finish layer. Smaller stone that covered everything. Wish I’d have seen a video like yours before we started. It would have saved 2-3 days. Nice project. Oh and you will have weeds no matter what you did. 😅
agree on the weeds haha. I went weed fabric crazy like many new landscapers / gardeners. it does end up failing. especially if pouring crushed rock with sharp edges right on top. the other issue is that the rocks on the surface slowly collect dust etc. and then the weeds grow on top of the landscape barrier. in the end it does seem to be true that all you really do is spend a bit of extra money and make a bit of extra work when you need to remove the fabric pieces one day. other landscapers have pointed out the eventual removal can also negatively affect the root systems of nice perennials (after you've spent years growing them into a nice mature plant). if your yard has a lot of weeds with deep tap roots that can regenerate, then maybe just give it a good spray with 10% vinegar or store bought weed killer before you put down the rock.
I love it Melisssa. I don't think the geo grid is necessary for an area like a fire pit. It's mostly beneficial in high-traffic areas with heavy use like a driveway. I love the things you do. You are an amazing woman!!!
Since we are not afraid of labor, or an intense time crunch on this channel, I have a friend who used a compactor, then laid about 2 inches of concrete and covered a large driveway area. (about 12000sq ft). He then covered the concrete with 2 or 3 inches of gravel. When I visit, I am always amazed at how few weeds he has to deal with, even after 22 years of use it still looks like new. The few weeds that come up are simply burned off with a tourch.
OMG...It came out gorgeous. I'm actually planning to landscape my front yard in September and have been binging these kind of videos. Lots of mixed opinions on landscaping fabric. Some swear it makes weeds and all undergrowth worse, others claim a thicker more commercial grade of fabric is needed. I will probably go with commercial grade fabric, even though it costs more $. Your channel is one of my favorite finds of the year. Promptly subscribed. ❤
Another great and ambitions project… came out great. Just a little tip: when digging out sod or similar, you could use a good pair of leather work boots (or even cowboy boots). Makes it a lot easier on the feet too.
I have one of those wands you attach a propane tank to, it's actually a very fun way to get rid of weeds. Seems especially appropriate around the fire pit!
Her husband could be the luckiest guy on the planet. She is absolutely gorgeous and is extremely talented. If she can cook as well as she does her projects she could be perfection. Happy to support her channel
I agree with a previous post in that even with a weed barrier, eventually weeds will become an issue. Make it part of a biannual routine to lay down a good quality pre-emergent and you should be fine. As always, nice job!
Even if you put down weed barrier you will probably get weeds, but your rock is pretty think so they won’t root all that well and be easy to pull out. I am out in California and I put weed barrier down with about 2 inches of rock in one area and three inches of mulch in another and still get weeds but as I said they pull pretty easy. Your landscape area looks great.
For the weed control, get yourself a pre-emergent spray to suppress seeds from germinating, it usually lasts around 4-6 months before needing to be re-applied, any good garden center should be able to provide you with some
I think it looks great. The weed barrier is less of a concern for me, although a good idea. In my experience when you mow, whatever is thrown into that area is more likely to seed and sprout growth of grass or weeds, etc. Maybe a good weed and grass killer is available that’s eco friendly and actually works? Keep up the great work. I can’t wait to see how it turns out. :)
I did something like this, used larger stone as a base to bring the area to grade then small decorative stones on top. I like the white stone you used. I placed a weed barrier under the stone and I think the grid would have worked if used smaller stones.
Looks great, next time a layer of sand under the rocks will help keep rocks from moving as much, and weed barrier would probably had been a good idea, but it will still work and look great. Just stay a head of the weeds.
That’s probably what I’ll do as well. The glue was more to prevent the rocks from moving around but I haven’t had as big an issue with that as expected probably because the stones are bigger than small pebbles that go everywhere!
Honestly I used weed barrier at my fire pit area and it’s not a fail safe I still get weeds. I think if you use the rock glue it will work just as well!
I don’t like weed barrier, having used it once before. Weeds will still grow as soil / rotting mulch covers it, giving the weed seeds what they need to sprout. I just put Roundup in a tank sprayer, and spray every few weeks.
looks great! I think the geotex grid is probably unnecessary for foot traffic, even though it seems fun. I hear you about the frost heaving, I grew up in the mid-west near you, the land of constant potholes haha. We're in a very different part of the country now but have almost pure clay soil that moves quite a bit in heavy rains. I've found the rough crushed rock does a pretty good job of clinging to itself and to the soft materials underneath. If you're looking for plain language deeper dives check out Grady's Practical Engineering channel, they provide really good info on geotechnical topics! That geotex actually looks pretty great for hiding under a patch of grass in the front yard, maybe with 1" of 1/4" crushed granite in the bottom and then a sand and topsoil mix on top to hide the grid. That way you could park a car or van on the lawn if you wanted (e.g. to wash it, so you're getting two uses out of clean city water and aren't just dumping it straight down the drain). Or, similarly, you could cut grid into 3-4' slices and make a structurally sound 'hidden pathway' from the front to back, so you could drive a little excavator along it in wet weather.
I’m not sure how long it’s been since this video and did you end up doing the adhesive on top? Do I keep it all in and did that keep the weeds from coming up?
It may not be a problem in your area, but in where I live, you have to have an edging that is at least 6" below the soil line and 4" above to keep the Bermuda grass from spreading into the area.
Curious why you leveled the ground if you used the large landscaping rocks. I have done a few projects around the house and only leveled when I use pavers because they are large flat stones. The rough white rock you use will obviously not be level so just curious why you spent that time. Looks beautiful though.
It has been my Spencerian that you will get weeds even with a layer of plastic. The weeds will grow between the stones. You will just have to stay on top with some sort of weed killer. Make a 'home made" version of a weed killer to be Eco friendly and you can spray to your hearts content. Nice work.
Here’s the brand of geo-grid I used: homedepot.sjv.io/1rqqeB I actually bought the 4” one and cut it to 2” deep during install which was in itself a whole headache, so I just linked you the 2” one right off the bat.
I use the weed barrier purely to keep the gravel separate from soil for ease of removal in the future. The geo grid is good for smaller gravel and areas of high traffic. I used it at the corner of our house. As our dog sprints around the corner, he wears out a ditch from kicking out the material. Otherwise, no need for it. What I found with the white rocks, is a challenge to make sure they stay white. They will stain over time, but the Easihold might help here. In your video you did not show whether you have compacted the granite. This is the layer that forms your base and ideal for leveling, not that this is that significant when covered with rocks. You will also find the plastic barrier between the grass and the rocks will become a nuisance over time. Best is to lay out a row of pavers.
@@WelcometotheWoodsBlog Sorry I can’t help you with any product name (I am not living in the US), however look for any product against moss and algae (prevention and treatment).
I think a more stable edge barrier would have been better as this is likely to bend and buckle as you hit it with the mower. I went for a stone block edging the same height as the lawn so I could just push the mower over the top. I had my stones set into a 2 inch high cement bedding to stop them moving around. I also went for a 45cm white stone bedding around my house and did put a weed barrier in. However now 10 years later weeds are there because leaves and stuff lands in the gaps between the stones and have created an amount of earth. Also the stones have all discoloured and I wish I has used something darker.
We have a rock/pebble with paver area in our backyard, and we are constantly pulling weeds that come through because we didn't lay a plastic barrier. 😮
That sucks about the geogrid because I know a lot of people who use it to maintain their driveways really swear by it. As per usual the final product looks amazing though.
It doesn't really serve any purpose on a flat area with that size of stone and foot traffic. It's more for areas prone to erosion and vehicular traffic.
You need a nursery spade or tile spade to dig with. Keep it clean, rust free, and sharp and digging is not that hard. Jumping on that round point shovel is going to kill your feet.
Eventually weeds would have grown above the weed barrier. The base material, everyday sand and dirt, and occasional lawn clipping will find their way in. The weeds will grown in that stuff. Better off getting a weed torch. It attaches to a propane tank and you walk around burning the weeds.
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I’ve been working for a landscaping company and we never use weed barrier unless the customer really insists. Waste of time and money. The seeds will still lodge in between the stone and grow. I see it every day. Get a good pre-emergent herbicide and put that on the rocks. If you don’t like chemicals then just stay vigilant about pulling the weeds out when they’re young. They usually pop right out. Great job again as usual.
That’s good to know, thanks for your comment
I did use weed barrier and yes weeds will come up but they pull right out. No soil for them to really root.
Good to know!
I save money then with my landscape!
Here’s two cents to throw in the conversation.
I owned a landscape company for over 31 years and I wouldn’t put rock down without fabric.
Now, we are in zone 5 where there is a lot of freeze/thaw cycles that actually cause the soil to “ swallow up “ the rock which creates a really big dirt-rock mess.
To your point, we don’t put fabric under wood mulch.
Pound for pound the hardest working woman on RUclips.
i love this lady so much.nothing better than a woman who knows how to graft
Cutting up sod is TOUGH work. I admire you - your work ethic is excellent, and you’re not afraid to fail as part of your development as a solid handy-woman. Well done.
The workhorse is back! Unstoppable! ❤
I’m glad I’m not the only one who hates things after I take so much time to do it , it looks nice now 😊
I bought a geo-grid product for a large patio area we were building. I had the the same problem. On our install we were able to rectify it my using 57 stone as the first layer and #8 for the finish layer. Smaller stone that covered everything. Wish I’d have seen a video like yours before we started. It would have saved 2-3 days. Nice project.
Oh and you will have weeds no matter what you did. 😅
agree on the weeds haha. I went weed fabric crazy like many new landscapers / gardeners. it does end up failing. especially if pouring crushed rock with sharp edges right on top. the other issue is that the rocks on the surface slowly collect dust etc. and then the weeds grow on top of the landscape barrier. in the end it does seem to be true that all you really do is spend a bit of extra money and make a bit of extra work when you need to remove the fabric pieces one day. other landscapers have pointed out the eventual removal can also negatively affect the root systems of nice perennials (after you've spent years growing them into a nice mature plant). if your yard has a lot of weeds with deep tap roots that can regenerate, then maybe just give it a good spray with 10% vinegar or store bought weed killer before you put down the rock.
That’s so helpful to hear, it makes me feel like I made the right choice! Thank you for the input
I love it Melisssa. I don't think the geo grid is necessary for an area like a fire pit. It's mostly beneficial in high-traffic areas with heavy use like a driveway. I love the things you do. You are an amazing woman!!!
Good, I was feeling foolish for buying it lol
You helped us learn about it and when maybe it isn't needed, so it wasn't a total waste!
Since we are not afraid of labor, or an intense time crunch on this channel, I have a friend who used a compactor, then laid about 2 inches of concrete and covered a large driveway area. (about 12000sq ft). He then covered the concrete with 2 or 3 inches of gravel. When I visit, I am always amazed at how few weeds he has to deal with, even after 22 years of use it still looks like new. The few weeds that come up are simply burned off with a tourch.
You’re one hell of a worker! Great content. Thank you 🙏
OMG...It came out gorgeous. I'm actually planning to landscape my front yard in September and have been binging these kind of videos. Lots of mixed opinions on landscaping fabric. Some swear it makes weeds and all undergrowth worse, others claim a thicker more commercial grade of fabric is needed. I will probably go with commercial grade fabric, even though it costs more $. Your channel is one of my favorite finds of the year. Promptly subscribed. ❤
Thanks for subscribing! 🥰 I wonder why fabric would make weed growth WORSE?
I really love what you’ve done. It looks tidy.👍❤️
It looks good, I like the design. Yes, weed barrier might have been a good idea to do first.
Another great and ambitions project… came out great. Just a little tip: when digging out sod or similar, you could use a good pair of leather work boots (or even cowboy boots). Makes it a lot easier on the feet too.
this was the best video ever
Awesome build, looks great.
Nice job! You created a neat looking space. You can always just spray the weeds as they appear!
I have one of those wands you attach a propane tank to, it's actually a very fun way to get rid of weeds. Seems especially appropriate around the fire pit!
Her husband could be the luckiest guy on the planet. She is absolutely gorgeous and is extremely talented. If she can cook as well as she does her projects she could be perfection. Happy to support her channel
I agree with a previous post in that even with a weed barrier, eventually weeds will become an issue. Make it part of a biannual routine to lay down a good quality pre-emergent and you should be fine. As always, nice job!
Good to know!
Even if you put down weed barrier you will probably get weeds, but your rock is pretty think so they won’t root all that well and be easy to pull out. I am out in California and I put weed barrier down with about 2 inches of rock in one area and three inches of mulch in another and still get weeds but as I said they pull pretty easy. Your landscape area looks great.
For the weed control, get yourself a pre-emergent spray to suppress seeds from germinating, it usually lasts around 4-6 months before needing to be re-applied, any good garden center should be able to provide you with some
I think it looks great. The weed barrier is less of a concern for me, although a good idea. In my experience when you mow, whatever is thrown into that area is more likely to seed and sprout growth of grass or weeds, etc. Maybe a good weed and grass killer is available that’s eco friendly and actually works? Keep up the great work. I can’t wait to see how it turns out. :)
I did something like this, used larger stone as a base to bring the area to grade then small decorative stones on top. I like the white stone you used. I placed a weed barrier under the stone and I think the grid would have worked if used smaller stones.
Looks great, next time a layer of sand under the rocks will help keep rocks from moving as much, and weed barrier would probably had been a good idea, but it will still work and look great. Just stay a head of the weeds.
I highly recommend a Solo stove for ur fire pit. They are the best. 👍🏾
I am looking into getting a smokeless like that, but the biggest one is only 27” and $800! I might try a knock off and hope it works as well…
Weed barrier never really works. I used asphalt roof tiles, and that worked great
Nice! Using the "glue" for the stones, maybe that will help with the weeds. I don't know I've never used it. I use a pre-emergent (Preen).
That’s probably what I’ll do as well. The glue was more to prevent the rocks from moving around but I haven’t had as big an issue with that as expected probably because the stones are bigger than small pebbles that go everywhere!
You totally rock.
No pun intended
Wow. You are amazing.
I actually liked the visible grid. It looks modern
At first I wondered the same, but I decided I didn’t like it lol
Good job and thanks for sharing. I think I would have put down a weed barrier.
Honestly I used weed barrier at my fire pit area and it’s not a fail safe I still get weeds. I think if you use the rock glue it will work just as well!
I don’t like weed barrier, having used it once before. Weeds will still grow as soil / rotting mulch covers it, giving the weed seeds what they need to sprout. I just put Roundup in a tank sprayer, and spray every few weeks.
looks great! I think the geotex grid is probably unnecessary for foot traffic, even though it seems fun. I hear you about the frost heaving, I grew up in the mid-west near you, the land of constant potholes haha. We're in a very different part of the country now but have almost pure clay soil that moves quite a bit in heavy rains. I've found the rough crushed rock does a pretty good job of clinging to itself and to the soft materials underneath. If you're looking for plain language deeper dives check out Grady's Practical Engineering channel, they provide really good info on geotechnical topics! That geotex actually looks pretty great for hiding under a patch of grass in the front yard, maybe with 1" of 1/4" crushed granite in the bottom and then a sand and topsoil mix on top to hide the grid. That way you could park a car or van on the lawn if you wanted (e.g. to wash it, so you're getting two uses out of clean city water and aren't just dumping it straight down the drain). Or, similarly, you could cut grid into 3-4' slices and make a structurally sound 'hidden pathway' from the front to back, so you could drive a little excavator along it in wet weather.
It is amazing how much strength the geo grid adds when people use it!
I’m not sure how long it’s been since this video and did you end up doing the adhesive on top? Do I keep it all in and did that keep the weeds from coming up?
It may not be a problem in your area, but in where I live, you have to have an edging that is at least 6" below the soil line and 4" above to keep the Bermuda grass from spreading into the area.
Curious why you leveled the ground if you used the large landscaping rocks. I have done a few projects around the house and only leveled when I use pavers because they are large flat stones. The rough white rock you use will obviously not be level so just curious why you spent that time. Looks beautiful though.
I can't wait to watch you and tend to my own garden. But in a far away place.
This woman is exceptionally beautiful...my GOD.
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if you use the ROCK hold Liquid it may keep the weeds from coming up.
Your loam is crazy dark. That's gotta be some pretty rich stuff.
Yes, it’s great soil here in the land of 10,000 lakes lol
It has been my Spencerian that you will get weeds even with a layer of plastic. The weeds will grow between the stones. You will just have to stay on top with some sort of weed killer. Make a 'home made" version of a weed killer to be Eco friendly and you can spray to your hearts content. Nice work.
I think the stuff you do is super neat! But gosh, firepits are the worst for neighbors that aren't into smoke.
Do you have a link to the grid thingy 😄
Here’s the brand of geo-grid I used: homedepot.sjv.io/1rqqeB I actually bought the 4” one and cut it to 2” deep during install which was in itself a whole headache, so I just linked you the 2” one right off the bat.
@@WelcometotheWoodsBlog Thanks 👍
I use the weed barrier purely to keep the gravel separate from soil for ease of removal in the future. The geo grid is good for smaller gravel and areas of high traffic. I used it at the corner of our house. As our dog sprints around the corner, he wears out a ditch from kicking out the material. Otherwise, no need for it. What I found with the white rocks, is a challenge to make sure they stay white. They will stain over time, but the Easihold might help here. In your video you did not show whether you have compacted the granite. This is the layer that forms your base and ideal for leveling, not that this is that significant when covered with rocks. You will also find the plastic barrier between the grass and the rocks will become a nuisance over time. Best is to lay out a row of pavers.
The white stones will get greenish look if you don’t treat them with something. Nice project.
Oh no really? What product would you recommend!?
@@WelcometotheWoodsBlog Sorry I can’t help you with any product name (I am not living in the US), however look for any product against moss and algae (prevention and treatment).
I think a more stable edge barrier would have been better as this is likely to bend and buckle as you hit it with the mower. I went for a stone block edging the same height as the lawn so I could just push the mower over the top. I had my stones set into a 2 inch high cement bedding to stop them moving around.
I also went for a 45cm white stone bedding around my house and did put a weed barrier in. However now 10 years later weeds are there because leaves and stuff lands in the gaps between the stones and have created an amount of earth. Also the stones have all discoloured and I wish I has used something darker.
Thanks for your input Gary! I will consider a more substantial border than the thin black plastic
Hope the little ones helped by bringing rocks to you 1 by 1 😂!
You’re a worker, I’d like to see you wearing a belted back brace, just so, when you get older, you take good care of your back.
We have a rock/pebble with paver area in our backyard, and we are constantly pulling weeds that come through because we didn't lay a plastic barrier. 😮
That sucks about the geogrid because I know a lot of people who use it to maintain their driveways really swear by it. As per usual the final product looks amazing though.
It doesn't really serve any purpose on a flat area with that size of stone and foot traffic. It's more for areas prone to erosion and vehicular traffic.
Muy interesante
You need a nursery spade or tile spade to dig with. Keep it clean, rust free, and sharp and digging is not that hard. Jumping on that round point shovel is going to kill your feet.
Please, someone get Melissa a vacation. She's going to end up working 366 days this year!
Currently planning Costa Rica ☺️
@@WelcometotheWoodsBlog Ahh! Great choice.
Even with a weed barrier we still get weeds tbh. Just get a good weed killer
That’s good to know!
Eventually weeds would have grown above the weed barrier. The base material, everyday sand and dirt, and occasional lawn clipping will find their way in. The weeds will grown in that stuff.
Better off getting a weed torch. It attaches to a propane tank and you walk around burning the weeds.
That sounds kinda fun 😅