The Truth About Electric Chainsaws
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Gas or electric, a chainsaw deserves to be used with caution!
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Thank you, be safe, and be grateful.
The willingness to evaluate one’s opinion and then make a change is an admirable character trait.
It's just a decision about a chainsaw. It's more telling that a person even has to bring this up. A tool is a tool. Use the one that does the job the best for you. Any stigma attached to a certain tool is attached by a person that is much too defensive emotionally and also much too worried about how they appear towards others.
I was literally about to say this. I wish more people had the guts to admit they were wrong about something, it takes humbleness and humility. Honestly, half the reason I watch this channel is for EC's character, imagine having him as a mentor growing up!
It's the world that changed. The electric engine has long been stronger and lighter and cleaner and requires less maintenance -- if you could get enough juice, which you couldn't (1500 Watts = 2 horsepower at 100% efficiency). Batteries used to suck, and now they're powerful for anything even a car.
Applefire give it a break. We're talking tools not psychology. Your comment is whats telling
i realize I am kinda randomly asking but does anyone know a good website to watch newly released tv shows online?
The introduction of lithium-ion cordless tools has to be the most underrated revolution in the 21st century so far.
I thought the lithium-ion battery inventor and pals won the nobel prize a few years ago
I'd go step further: The introduction of lithium-ion has to be the most underrated revolution in the 21st century so far. The fastest car money can buy...tesla. Battery powered airplane ?!? Even your cell phone ("a computer that can fit in a single room!")
@@kids123123123 don’t you mean a computer that fits in your pocket? The early mainframe computers would take up an entire room. By the 70s they were down to the size of a filing cabinet, and by1975 you could buy a hand held programable calculator with as much computing power as that late 60s mainframe.
And... brushless motors
Invest in batteries
I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ruclips.net/user/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
I'm a builder in Australia and I know that this comment doesn't really relate to this particular video, but I really enjoy your channel.
It's really informative to see how a skilled tradesmen goes about his craft. Keep up the great content! It inspires me to continue to get better at my trade.
This channel is awesome. hi from Brisbane..
Great content. Hello from Sydney.
G’day from the western downs!
I’m an earthmoving operator/mechanic.
I totally agree with you. These videos give me such a sense of pride in what I do and inspire me to get better as well as pass on my skills to a new generation.
I feel like there is a fair community of Aussies on this channel. Somebody even sent him a buckaroo belt. Those things aren't cheap and freight costs are horrifying.
Anyway cheers from Sydney.
Cheers from south east vic👍🏻
Just remember that most electric saws still need bar oil, have seen a few people run them dry thinking no oil needed and burn them out quick
bwilliamstown Those people are just plain dumb.
Unfortunately they are putting auto Oilers on them. Go through oil like my old 68 ford.
Yep, and B&C oil can still leak. Some things never change.
That is some good advice. Thank you 👍
And my Ryobi goes through it very quickly. Still happy with the saw though as it won't be getting heavy use to justify a gas saw.
I bought exactly same Makita saw this year and also lawnmower that uses same batteries and I am super happy with both. Saw is easier to use and maintain and lawnmower is so much quieter than my old one that there is no going back. And both do their job just as well as gas burning ones.
And I even cut two cubic meters of firewood with the saw in one go without any problems. I think I once changed the batteries but I have plenty of those for other tools so it wasn't a problem. The trees that I had to cut down weren't the largest ones so I didn't feel any need to use larger saw for the job.
I wish that they would do proper battery powered brushcutter also. That is even more annoying to use than chainsaw since starting and mounting it back to the harness is really annoying.
I read this comment in your voice
My two favorite youtube channels on the same page?! Wow, life's good. My wife and I have been binging on Hydraulic Press Channel and Beyond the Press. Thanks for all the fun you bring Laury and Anni!
I really love the internet some days ❤️
great to see you here, and on AVE
I was going to say you used that Makita one and it seemed to cut just fine. The battery and motor technology just had to catch up. Technology marches on but I am not going to toss out me Stihl and Husqvarna saws just yet. When they die from natural causes I will consider electric at that time.
Much respect for the old dog that can learn new tricks!
To throw my 2 cents into the discussion recently when I went chainsaw shopping to replace my old corded electric saw I intentionally chose another corded saw. Why would I choose to have to deal with extension cords? Because my use case is that I have a small lot, don't use the saw often, generally am cutting up fallen branches for disposal, and the old saw lasted 25 years. So far I have yet to have a battery pack last that long and they're expensive to replace or repair so the corded saw ends up being a lot cheaper over its lifetime for me.
I have owned a Husqvarna corded 16" saw for 20 years and its an amazing tool. It and a gas Stihl saw give great usefuleness.
Corded Makita UC3541A here. We have small garden, few trees. So far I think it was a very good choice.
Sounds like you have the right saw for your situation.
Agree. Corded are so reliable in certain scenarios. Would only get cordless if like he said you already have those tools (which also upgrade over time). Have a 14" corded electric but love love my cordless reciprocating saw w a wood or pruning blade.
@@treyhart6861 I'm triggered. I got the 18v Dewalt set, bought 2 new batteries after 6ish years now the 18v is a paperweight w the 20v the only real option if you want anything new. I don't think I can handle multiple types of batteries (psychologically) and am in paralysis on whether to switch and to what. Meanwhile my corded saws keep truckin' along. I'm doing a corded chainsaw for occasional use (cheap and lightweight), and a cordless reciprocating w obsolete batteries that match all my obsolete tools for frequent use 🙂
It's a smart man that can recognize that the world has changed, and his opinion needs to change with it.
and sometimes not because he figured out some principles.
Like gay marraige and communism ❤
Depends on the change. Not all changes are as positive as they get sold as and too many are actual steps back due to unrealistic and or outrightly stupid counterproductive regulations being placed on them.
@@tcmtech7515 I might have to retire my Crosscut Saw, I never knew there were easier ways out there!
@@Brennan009 HAHA
Being an arborist and consistantly having to start and stop my saw in the tree to communicate with my team on the ground. The electric saw saves my shoulder hundreds of pulls a day. Amazing step forward in the industry!
Agreed, the convenience is a huge selling point for me as a casual user. A pleasure to use vs a pain in the ass to use.
Agree wholeheartedly. The old 200t has virtually gone into retirement.
it's fine for lighter work, but lithium will NOT cut it for REAL work.
@@94SexyStang Yes they will. Just yesterday watched an arborist safely and easily cut down a huge tree (it took five hours) with battery powered saws. He owns several gas saws too, but didn't bother to even put them in the truck. Sure the small climbing saw batteries have to be swapped out/charged during the job. But that's easier, and cheaper, than working with two stroke gas.
Lucas, what kind of electric saw are you using? I assume a battery powered one.
I’ve always loved the sound and smell also!! When I was a kid I found a racing go cart at a sale. I brought it home and my oldest brothers friend raced motorcycles, he said let’s put a chainsaw motor on it. So he helped me rig a motor on it. This cart flew and the sound of the chainsaw motor was embedded in memory. Growing up in Washington State I heard chainsaws as far back in memory. Still today I will stop and watch a master tree cutter doing his orchestration!
mcculloch made karting motors, similar to the chainsaw version
Best purchase this year I made was an electric lawn mower. it's extremely easy just to quickly mow my front lawn while my neighbors are typically fixing their gas mowers or going to the gas station..
I just pulled a battery off my charging base and start mowing
I bought an electric mower too. Now I mow every chance I get.
I agree on the electric lawn mower. The advent of brushless DC electric has allowed for equipment to become more reliable and more powerful and more compact. The ability to apply so much torque through a mower blade means you don’t have over speed it to prevent it from stalling out when it encounters a load.
Add the weed whacker and you're set!
In the city, electric mowers are particularly nice in the middle of the summer. Quiet enough to get up early and beat the heat: easier on the grass and easier on the person pushing the mower. Unless the lawn is still wet with dew. Then at least you're up early enough to get a start on making iced tea.
I recommend electric garden tools to all my friends, mostly because I don't want to help fix them because they didn't maintain them. At least there is less maintenance to deal with.
Scott, I couldn't agree more. The sound and smell of a gas chainsaw brings me back to my 2 stroke motorcycle riding youth, and I love 'em, but my electric chainsaw was an absolute revelation. I haven't grabbed the big gas saw in a long time.
2 stroke bikes sound way different tho since they have the exhaust bit(I don't know it's English name) that is meant to reflect the exhaust shock-wave back in in to the cylinder just as it closes thus improving power in the rpm range around the power band, that thing is what gives 2 stroke bikes the characteristic tinny sound. They don't put them on production chainsaws because they would take up too much space and it would be a burn hazard.
Love this guy’s channel. Passing on essential knowledge to the weekend warriors like myself.
Knowing how long you’ve been doing this work, it always impresses me how open you are to a different approach or a different tool. Heck, to have started a RUclips channel alone is really cool. Keep up the great work.
I always appreciate this man's videos. The way he started up that chainsaw at the end was just like how a friend of mine, of a similar age, would tune up his old guitar. Both would have the same facial expression of satisfaction that the tool was still working the way they left it.
I love the smell of two stroke engines in the morning. Reminds me of flying my Quicksilver MX ultralight, and the flight sessions after the air show at EAA Oshkosh. N.E.OH Bob
My first flying hours ever were in a Quicksilver MX! I miss that bird...
I'm so glad I've subbed and am really benefitting from your channel! I have a HUGE John Deere Chain Saw that was parked for years under my work bench. Way too much time and energy to get that thing running again just to trim some trees. I'm swapping to electric. Now, I need to sell that thing... Thank you, I'm going shopping!!!
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I may be interested in your John Deere saw. Has it sold yet? If not perhaps you could put it online and send me the link back here?
Thanks for the video awesome. I have a jonsered chainsaw that's been sitting for 15 years. I put a two-stroke mix in it and it started up second pull
I enjoy all the knowledge from this subscription!!! I have a corded saw that has its draw backs, but love its reliability and minimal noise output, great for Neighborhood cutting!!!!
I been eying the dewalt one recently
I have a corded the Makita UC4030A Commercial-Grade 16-Inch 14.5 amp saw, I put a WoodlandPro 18" Narrow kerf bar on it and I use it with my small Granberg mill here in Tokyo, it works great, not as great as a gas saw, but it is a LOT quieter when I want to slab up a log and not piss off my neighbours LOL. I live in downtown Tokyo and I own 6 chainsaws.
Cheers
Stu
i always wondered about EC and his huge long bars. Something i learned from the brilliant "The Good Woodcutter's Guide" book by Dave Johnson is that a chainsaw bar that is never too short is almost always too long.
Bars that long are the norm in the Pacific Northwest the trees are usually larger then the b role of the guy wearing the chaps in this video and when cutting firewood don’t have to bend over, but yeah the point can be made a lot easier to get the bar in the dirt on the other side of a round
Scott was also a professional logger for many years. The long bar makes life a lot easier if you're felling trees all day, even if the trees aren't that big. Cleaning up the yard, go with the cordless all day. I love a big saw...til it's time to sharpen
Just love your videos! Thanks for all your work , I'm so happy to have the benefit of all your experience and wisdom.
Project Farm has a fantastic comparison video part 1 and part 2 on i think like 10 or 12 saws. And that guy really gets into every little detail. The Echo came out on top.
On a similar note, in the UK large developers are keen for their masonry sub-contractors (I'm a bricklayer by trade) to use electric disc cutters as opposed to their Stihl counterparts. The main problem being is that you can't run a water suppression hose through an electric cutter for obvious reasons. You'd think they would've taken that into account, but it clearly went over their heads.
Wow! Yeah, good point!
Cordless disc cutters have water suppression.
It's not like the electronics sits in the saw-blade. Husqvarna at least has a big range of electric masonry-saws, tile-saws, power-cutters and even a floor saw , all of which support either water suppression and/or dry cutting with vacuum connection.
@@krakenhackenla I know. I'm talking about the ones powered by electricity, not petrol.
@@evocarti so am I, DeWalt, Milwaukee, Stihl, husqvarna all make battery powered cutters that have a water feed. You can buy 110v cutters with water feed.
Angle grinders as far as I know don't have dust suppression via water.
I worked with a big Makita for around 5 years doing tree service and clean up. I recently started helping my mother clear some downed trees after the hurricane and her electric chainsaw impressed me from the first cut. I agree 100%, electric is no replacement for hard and long daily workhorse but it does a job and cuts just as good as you would expect from the big boys.
I've had one of those Makita saws (DUC405Z) for a year or so now and I think it's awesome, nice to have someone so much more experienced than me back up that feeling. It's incredibly handy for doing favours for my neighbours when you don't want to disturb the peace and quiet.
Thank you for the update...i was wondering when you'd come around lol...i love my milwaukee chainsaw
As a kid, I always knew winter was coming, when I heard the chainsaws from across the lake.
I had same youth. Love that sound. Love fall.
Great Scott, now I need a chainsaw. I don't have a lawn or trees, I'll have to move to a house in order to justify the chainsaw. Wife will be kind of mad and glad at the same time. Keep up the good work!
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Gotta do it, man. Owning a chainsaw is life-altering. The amount of power and ability to commit absolute mayhem that you can hold in one hand is shocking.
I use my electric (plug in) inside the house for all sorts of cutting jobs meant for different saws :) it is so fast and easy....
I’ve been using this exact Makita for a couple of months now, its incredible! My grandpa borrows it too even though he has a higher end gas chainsaw. I was also able to cut 3 weeks of firewood supply from thinner logs on one charge with two 6.0 Ah batteries.
Well said Scott! Live in Scottsdale AZ on an acre lot. Lots of native trees such as Palo Verde and Mesquite. Lots of landscaping and citrus trees as well. I bought a corded chain saw about 5 years ago and thought that I'd use it for "light" work but if needed, I'd have to get a gas-powered one. Mostly I use it for storm damage from the Palo Verde. It's over 50 years old and has some pretty thick branches for this type of tree. But this little workhorse has never failed me. The main reason I got it was to speed up the clearing of fallen branches when it was one-hundred-and-hell outside, even at 10AM!
Bought an 18" kobalt 80v a few days ago. Used it around the house cutting dead limbs off trees and what not. Next day my dad asked to use it and he was very impressed with it.
We just got one a few months ago to help keep the trails clear on our 160 acres in central KY. Great tool!
I cut up a fallen 70' cherry tree with my neighbors kobalt 80v. Very impressive tool.
For my purposes, I actually prefer an electric saw with an extension cord. I live in a suburban house, where anything I’m cutting is with 50 feet of the house, so a cord is not a big obstacle. I use it infrequently, and the corded saw is even more ready to go than the cordless because I never have to worry about having a charger battery.
Agreed!
and you can use it with a generator ...
@@--973-- what size? I have a midsize inverter I figured to use attached to my truck in lieu of a proper generator. Turned out it didn't like 15 amp 7" grinder, but ran the 11 amp 5" fine. Overall point is to check before you need it.
@@emeltea33 thank you for the feedback. I used 7" grinder and a welding station on a 6500w generator but I use my truck only to carry all that stuff.
@@--973-- Wow, that's a good size, and if you can run the welding station, the chainsaw would be no problem. And that it's on your truck is even better, because you won't need a longer cord, just drive closer. I just need a bigger invertor if I stick with that game plan. I'm afraid I'd let the generator sit too long.
Inspiring and on point. Sure have missed this type of video. Wish i had a friend like you in my life. Glad to have you in RUclips. :)
I have that Makita saw's corded brother. I got it before the cordless one was available and I just love it for use on our little property. When I need it, it's ready to go and when I don't need it I can set it on the shelf and it can sit for years.
A homeowner with some trees who just needs to clear branches after an occasional storm - go electric. My Ryobi cordless has been a champ for cleanup and trimming.
I can't agree with you more I bought my cordless chainsaw to use cutting up small trees and limbs that fall on the driveway after a storm so easy to grab it cut up the culprit blocking the drive and get on with my day.
I have the Ryobi cordless and love it! The only problem I've had with it is the bar oil leaks, but thats literally it!
@@robmonster45 Yup, love mine and did a lot of weekends this summer and fall. The big saw hardly ever came out. Mostly pine but some fallen oak.
Infrequent chainsaw user. Whenever I needed it, it seemed it wouldn't start. Bought a Greenworks battery saw 2-3 years back. Always there when you need it. Runs long enough that while I process that wood it's recharged.
Great video! I have the Milwaukee saw that you teased us with a few times in the video. I really like it for making a few cuts although I have dropped and bucked a 12” tree on one battery in a pinch. It’s not a replacement for any of the saws in my collection but a great addition to it.
I don't normally comment but as a former arborist with 15yrs experience, you are spot on. I got the Milwaukee and love it, it's not a work saw, but I love it around the hose, around the farm. 12a battery last forever
I cut 12 real cords of firewood last fall with a Greenworks 18" 80V. I have the 5 amp battery. It's a bit heavy but after a couple of days, the muscles adjust.
It's hard to explain to people who haven't used a battery saw, but the ability to push a button and pull the trigger to get the saw running, do a cut or two or three, and then put the saw down to move branches around, and then pick the saw up again, push the button, pull the trigger and cut some more is a much better/safer way to delimb a tree.
When you have a gas saw, the tendency is to keep it running, cut, cut, cut, while negotiating around and over branches, always a hair away from stepping wrong and falling on your butt. The tendency is there because you don't want to keep restarting the engine...especially on my hard pulling Shindaiwa.
Plus, it's nice to be able to get back in the truck or back home without smelling like a refinery from all the oily smoke.
Just keep the chain sharp and cut smart and you'll stay out of trouble.
Went with the Ego cordless chainsaw this year, no regrets at all.
Greg Stoll yeah a lot of these lesser known brands have great prices for electric chainsaws.
I want one for side jobs. It can just sit in my apartment.
Also want a manual pole saw.
@@TreDogOfficial ive got a manual pole saw and a milwaukee electric one, its the quiklok (Can switch the head over to polesaw, weedeater, edger etc) and ill tell ya what, its worth every friggen penny, go with the electric if you can, also, Milwaukee batteries last longer than you will and charge in like 45 min (And thats a 9.0 or 12.0 amp-hr
I bought the 18" Ego chainsaw a couple months ago. Their smaller chainsaws have horrible reviews, something about loosing tension but they fixed that issue in the 18" bar model. I have a big parcel with lots of black oaks and pines and so far it has performed excellent. It's quiet, lighter and it has plenty of power.
@@MrJramirex There 14inch saw is decent been wanting to try the 18inch one. I sold all my gas chainsaws the vibration kills me since I had a partial thumb amputation.
You mean echo? Ego sucks
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinions on the gas versus battery. You bring up some good points for an average homeowner with a few trees on their property.
REALLy appreciate your gentle and respectable nature that comes across in the presentation of all your videos! Thanks for the wonderful work!
As Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations." When that tree gets big enough that a long bar is needed, I'll need a pro to lay that tree down in a safe way. Spend good money on a pro to fell the big trees and then pay them a bit extra to saw the thick parts into splittable lengths. There will be plenty of work left once the thick parts are done, and the big saws need lotsa use in order to justify the expense. So rent the heavy equipment, whether its a skid steer or a big saw (and operator).
Absolutely right. The big guys know their business, they'll work much safer than I ever could.
Eh you can take down damn near anything with an 18" bar. Taking trees down safely is really not hard so long as you are in a forested area and not a suburban lot.
Thanks EC. Finally I can come out of the tool shed closet about my preference towards electric chainsaws. You won’t have gas after you let one rip.
I am in the building industry. I recently bought a top handle makita 36v with 16” bar for occasional use on the job site. I had in years past carried a small gas saw behind the seat, but those fumes sometimes got to me. I am blown away at the performance of this little top handle saw. So impressed that I bought the Milwaukee trimmer and then the chainsaw pole saw attachment even though I have a echo gas powered pole saw. Love not having the gas fumes in the truck. I’m heavily invested in Milwaukee tool line, but with how much I enjoy the makita top handle... I see future purchases there.
So glad I came across this particular video, and I enjoy them all. I've been thinking hard about purchasing a chainsaw in the near future, and was looking at portable vs gas. Of course, the reason I haven't purchased is because I assumed I'd be disappointed with the battery operated one it can't be as good as gas:) Now without doubt I'm going with a portable one, leaning towards a Craftsman:)
I've got a DeWalt 20v saw, 12" bar... love that little thing. Small branches, saplings and brush are no problem, and its perfect for cutting posts on the farm or for the several decks i build every year. Great investment
Good for you. But AvE did a test of one of and its chainbar winder will fail. Too much plastic.
@@xoxo2008oxox yeah, I saw the video. He's spot on. I'll end up modifying in eventually but it works decent for the meantime
@@xoxo2008oxox I have one and so far the only issue was the screw holding washer to sprocket came loose. I don't like that design, but it's handy little saw.
I got a cordless chainsaw, DeWalt 60V, when I read my kids school assignment on Christmas traditions. It said 'one of our traditions is to go out in the forest and cut down a Christmas tree. We snowshoe out, and then dad tries to start the chainsaw for hours while we freeze. Then he gets mad, and throws the chainsaw in the snow bank.' Kids are brutally honest. Last Christmas, pulled out the cordless, and had the most pleasant tree getting hike ever. I just don't use the gas saw often enough, or long enough to keep it properly maintained.
wonderfully honest, thanks
used a bosch pocket saw with pruning blade last year for that job
As I read this, I could picture Clark Griswold staring up at his beautifully oversized tree while Rusty asks him, "Dad, did you bring a saw?" and that big root ball hanging off the back of the car. Glad you updated your tradition!
@@thejackal3245 We get a 14' tree every year, horseback and snowshoe in and out. But 1 year I took the time to put it on top of the car, for a Griswold photo op! Also have an ugly Christmas sweater that's says, Merry Christmas! Shitter was full!
@@timcorbett9629 It's a beaut, Clark!
You seriously made my day thinking about that.
I liked your comment about the usefulness of a smaller saw. I had need to cut down a small evergreen (that had become a "nevergreen" due to bag bugs) and was already heavily invested in a battery platform. So I bought a little 10-inch chainsaw that was perfect for the job. If you know and accept the limitations of what you are buying, these are a good investment. You do still have to use chain oil on a cordless.
I have great respect for you. I was on the fence about heavy machine and batteries, but if you give them your blessing, then is time for me to get one too!!! I also have plenty of makita batteries.
Yes they are, thanks for making the video. A lot of misconception out there. My Remington could sit all season and will start on the 2cnd pull every time. Definitely the best saw I've owned even though it's not nearly as expensive as other brands. But it's not the best saw that I've used. Electric wins that bout like it does many others. #1 complaint I've seen from critics is battery/run time. But it's not really a good complaint, given that batteries from certain manufacturers can last up to half a day and can run all day if charged during breaks and lunch, like Stihl's AR 3000 pack for ex. Electric is expensive, sometimes twice as much as a gas saw in the same class, but their fuel efficiency is more than double. Which means fuel cost savings to be had and a potential net return on the investment after the saw pays for itself - especially if you carry a portable solar gen on the truck or trailer. Gotta have fuel storage of some kind - gas is more energy dense, but you can't pull it out of the sky. Gas saws are also too damn noisy. It's kind of annoying when the neighbours start their saws up to chop firewood all day and I've got a video to shoot. I'm almost ready to spend $600 of my own money to get them an electric before I buy myself one lol
Did you mean to repeat yourself a few times at the end there?
I've used a large selection of saws, conventional and electric, and I really must disagree about endurance... none of them will cut anything like a half day. Even doing actual tree trimming ect as a one man team (so your stopping to feed the chipper rather than constantly working) there is simply no way to rotate between even a pair of batteries to keep any cordless tool bigger than a screwdriver actually working all day, even wearing a >8kg backpack worth almost $1,500aud (for local currency may differ) and having cables running down your arms to get caught up on things (it doesn't sound heavy/problematic till you've tried moving with it for a few hours at a time and realize while its very lightweight vs a hiking backpack you don't actually bend to pick things up/throw your weight around to move things in that context, much less try to climb a tree). IMO an amazing solution for brushcutters where you walk around cleared grass and work exclusively from standing position, but a bit dubious for chainsaws.
As for if you get the cost back in "energy savings", firstly consider your cost of capital, if your saving up for a saw or borrowing credit, every dollar invested needs to work pretty hard, otherwise you'd save more money somewhere else (be that directly as fuel, like a new motor in the work truck, or as labor, like a power finger crane on the tray... your investment isn't competing with break even, its competing with best other place you could invest the money). Secondly to be doing that much cutting your needing to charge the tool batteries at the worksite, and not to be using a portable generator, by which point the serious question becomes if a corded tool might actually be a better bet for the majority of your saw hours.
Likewise you need to factor the source of charge into payback time for electric vs gas, as unless that charge source is national grid mains power, the larger batteries, solar and chargers/regulators can be worth several times the total purchase price of the gas (or even electric) saw itself. If using solar you also need to consider what you do when weather is less co-operative (which includes things like dust/smoke that don't seem to darken the day much, but drop solar to a fraction) or when working under a forest canopy. Fuel might not fall out of the sky, but containing tens of times the energy per weight/volume means that storage/transport even for a weeks worth of portable tool use (anything but vehicles or generators really) is a non-binding concern, and fuel stations to fill them are one of the more common stores on the planet, so unless your packing weeks of food for some kind of expedition, access likely isn't the issue.
Finally while certainly less annoying than a petrol powered saw, electric chainsaws are still far from quiet tools, they are well up into the hearing protection required range (and indeed are often your second loudest behind petrol chain saws, slightly ahead of impact guns or circular saws), so for work where you can't be loud (like outside ordinance hours, or tree trimming for luxury applications like resorts/hotels, in wildlife sensitive areas ect) they aren't generally permissible. Worse the ferrous bar/teeth means the electric devices aren't sparkless, meaning that you can't even use them in places where fire limitations would prevent petrol saws, and the bar lubrication means they can't be used in situations where not leaking oil/leaving marks could differentiate. So there really isn't a niche where being combustion-less would let you earn more money to try payback higher purchase prices. Hence when all is said and done I do not feel we have reached a point by which cordless electric chainsaws will be "cheaper" for users.... there are still other reasons you might opt to pay more to have them (as I mentioned, I own and use both), and the value they offer is improving with time, but spending less on fuel just isn't a huge factor for such small tool motors that are so closely tied to labor expense in the way it is for a car or heavy equipment operator.
@@SheepInACart i'd guess that an electric chainsaw over 5 years will be cheaper due to gas+oil and maintenance. imagine 5 years without needing to head to a small motor shop to get your carb rebuilt. sure the batteries are more expensive but it's cheaper to refill than gas+oil. it cost me 12.9¢ (us) to charge my 8ah battery. i get 45-60 minutes use in my weed eater. ethanol free gas is 2.15$ per gallon plus 15$ for 2 cycle oil cost 3.22$ per 28oz (average Stihl weed eater professional fuel capacity) fill up.
Then there's time. time to refill the gas can, mix the fuel/oil. fill weed eater, plunge the gas to prime it, crank, crank, crank. get it warmed up. or, place the battery in a charger, the battery charged over night, you place the battery in the slot, pull the trigger and it works.
- I had a problem with one gas trimmer that the carb was messed up. it could only run on full and only for 20 minutes before dying. then i had to wait 40 or so minutes for it to cool but it would only run for 15 minutes. rinse and repeat. the carb cleaning kit was 36$. i didn't fix it because i bought the electric.
Milwaukee has a 3600/1800w battery generator which can be used to charge batteries at a worse case.
now all these batteries can have other uses too. milwaukee has plenty of tools, lights, etc that can be used. your 2 cycle 50:1 gas can be used in a generator but at 17$ a gallon (gas plus oil) you wont be doing that for very long.
odds are if you need a chainsaw in a spark free environment then you'll use hydraulic. unless you work at a chemical plant that shouldn't ever be an issue.
neither are perfect right now but batteries will get better while gas will stay steady.
@@jetah50 For an application where your burning enough fuel to make up the difference in price, a 4stroke was already the preferred option, which can need neither oil mixing nor in heavy use applications present any issue with regular pump fuels that contain up to 15% ethanol. Just as with your comment on priming, starting ect, those are problems that exist for both lighter duty and/or less frequent used equipment, but just aren't factors for a saw which is used daily, much less still has a hot motor after a brief fuel and chain-bar oil stop (the latter of which electric saws still need, and just as frequently, so its only the actual time pouring the fuel saved between the two).
Maintenance wise I own both, but have never taken either type of saw to a shop outside of the run in period when new, and don't generally buy rebuild kits or new gaskets when infrequently required to actually maintain carbs (its only a couple of psi pressure in a non-safety critical application, not a fuel rail on a modern vehicle, so reuse with huff of contact gasket adhesive has always worked out well for me... also some of the newest pro line saws are fuel injected which may not demand the same attention), but even assuming thats outside of whats possible in your use case, and you need a couple of rebuild kits and new plugs in addition to the engine oil, that stuff sums to only 10% or so the purchase price of a decent professional or landholder saw, meanwhile the higher duty cycle cordless electric tools are still around double, so its IMO a very minor factor when deciding the breakeven point between the two.
Also both sides are evolving technologically as we see the catchup between features normal for transportation engines and whats been applied to portable equipment (hence again fuel injection, electronic ignition etc all hitting mainstream market in last 12months), rather than batteries innovating compared to a fixed point fuel powered tools have somehow plateaued.
But again I'm not saying fuel driven equipment is somehow universally better, its not, merely that it remains more cost economical than cordless for most heavy users at the present time... also in that vain it should be noted that corded electric saws are still cheaper than either, even if being tethered to a wall socket limits them to a few niche applications.
@@SheepInACart gas is at the end of it's lifespan. you wont see a new tech emerge that offers 4x improvement but that will happen with batteries.
corded electric has the problem of needing the correct size cord or you lose amps the further out you venture. most home owners wont have a 10g or larger extension cord for the 100 ft they plan to use the saw.
Haven’t gotten into any chainsaws besides gas yet. On a side note, I needed a new pair of chaps and the stihl pro chaps are not rated for electric saws. You think that they would be, but they aren’t because of the amount of constant toque, I was really surprised. Just something to keep in mind when getting safety gear for electric saws.
Another thing about Stihl -- they positively DO NOT recommend drop starting your gas powered chain saw. It's dangerous and manly, and an old dog like Scott will continue to do it. But you young bucks, don t adopt that unsafe habit. Yeah, I know, "Safety Sally"... blah blah blah blah...
@@DanielinLaTuna ah ha, yep, I took a saw into a Pro saw shop (his home), with a badly scoared cylinder, the shop owner drop started it as you call it, and it fired up. He then proceeded to help me order parts and I rebuilt it..
Also after watching an Airforce lady try to start her saw, I finally could not take her pain any more and went and started it for her. Like a brand new saw, but the Airforce taught her not to drop start. Guess I was a bad boy but....it started right up, thats all I ever knew, if I did not get the old saw started on the farm, as a young lad, we were cold... to me , it was just starting the saw.
Safety is a way of life , not some idea by a lawyer in a multilanguage operators manual. Professional..
J W well then you’re lucky. They might, I’m just telling you I read it on the box that they are not rated for that. I do believe it’s better than nothing tho.
From stihl:
WARNING FOR ELECTRIC CHAINSAW USERS!
The fibers will not stop the sprocket on most electric chainsaws because of their constant high torque.
WARNING FOR CORDED ELECTRIC AND BATTERY CHAINSAW USERS! The fibers may not stop the sprocket on most corded electric chainsaws and some battery-powered chainsaws because of the constant high torque. However, to reduce the severity of injury from accidental contact with the chain, STIHL recommends that leg protection be worn when operating these types of chainsaws.
@@johnkomosa4089 yeah, I still have my 30 plus year old Stihl too. Starts every time; that's why I bought it. After watching my buddy struggle with his Homelite I decided to pay more for a product that was being advertised on the telly by having it dragged behind a pickup truck down a dirt road, then started on the first pull. Remember that commercial?
Good timing on this video popping up as I just a week ago bought a Craftsman 20 volt battery operated chainsaw because it was only $50, way below original cost. I knew it would be junk and I would be bringing it back to the store but today used it for the first time made approximately 25 to 30 Cuts with it and battery still showed full charge. Hope I can buy a better chain but very impressed!
I appreciate the calm and overwhelming style of your videos. Thank you!
I work on power lines. I want you to know that it hurts my Man hood to say it but these little electric saws are great for small projects! Like cutting old poles down or chopping cross arms up for easier handling. There is virtually no up keep! Just keep the battery charged and the chain on it and its ready!
Now if I'm going to wade into cutting a tree up or serious brush removal? Then give me my gas saw! But they have definitely earned a spot in my tool box! God bless and stay safe
Last week I went through Home Depot for some gardening gloves. I found myself buying more random tools than I was there for originally. But I did walk through the chainsaw aisle and wondered if those battery operated chainsaws were any good? I have no experience with chainsaws, but here I am seeing your vid about chainsaws.
Btw, are you gonna route CAT5 or 6 ethernet to every room in the spec house? Security systems would be great to install as well before the drywall goes up. Oh, and future ceiling fan ports and outdoor weatherproof outlets for Christmas lights.
Wr Tr GFI with expandable or bubble covers.
Some people are smart and have added these under their eaves, no extension cord needed for those lights on the gutters.
DON'T waste your time with CAT5, or even CAT6....
CAT5 is pushing 25 years old..
CAT6A is the lowest spec you should spend your time on..
CAT7 is the newer spec, not much pricier than 6...
CAT8 is the new kid on the block...
Still pricey, and demands meticulous installs, with proper terminations and keystones, using the proper tools...else you lose all the speed advantage...
last 5 years we have had a pair of Makita 14" petrol saw to work alongside our Huskies (16", 24" and 28") and they have been super reliable and for those quick little pruning jobs and the odd bit of fencing, we did have the Makita battery saw on loan from a friend and we will in time replace one of the gas-powered ones with one.. it's convenient, but most of all it is quiet!!! I would also say if you do not use a chainsaw professionally there is a much safer option in a battery reciprocal saw (we have the MAKITA DJR186Z) and this in many jobs has replaced the need for the small saws and is way way way way safer for anyone without proper chainsaw training. Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next video.
I bought a Makita 71/4" cordless circular saw recently as I needed to cut some sheet materials and didn't have power available.
It's been a real delight to use, works quicker and cleaner than the corded Elu saw (European Black & Decker) and the torque control and blade stop make it safer too. I'm blown away by the power and the battery life is great too.
This is REALLY going to knock your socks off: my electric motorcycle is better than my old gas bike.
That is amazing. I have 100 questions. Dirtbike or road? Runtime? What will the batteries be like after a year or 2 or even 5? Speed? Power? Sound? Price? Those r the main ones thanks
John MURRAY COMPTON whoa. Just got a head rush.
@@1Rangers08 lol!
@@loadapish it's a Zero FXS. Style is a supermoto (dirtbike with street wheels and tires). It's unlike ANYTHING I've ridden. Has the agility of a featherweight dirtbike but pulls like a 1,000cc sporty. Range and top speed are it's downfall. Range depends on how fast you ride. If take it on the interstate and ride at 70mph you'll probably get 50 miles. With stop and go city driving you're looking at 100 miles. No transmission...and no clutch! It takes some getting used to.
By the way, when I say it pulls like a liter bike, I mean it. The lack of shifting is an odd but crazy fun experience. The best I can explain it is it feels like when you take a flight and the jet takes off. It just pulls continuously thrusting you back. It's really amazing.
@@loadapish top speed is about 100 mph.
Sound is like something out of Star Wars.
I don't know why everyone says there no oil of gas to store.
They still use bar oil lol.
I buy premixed Sunoco 2 stroke gas because it’s shelf stable.
@Sam K You clearly don't use a chainsaw enough if you haven't spilled bar oil. Lol
@@RadDadisRad I find equipment runs like crap on those fuels like Aspen for example and they're about 10x more expensive then mixing.
I used a Kobalt high end chain saw to clear a 1/4mile driveway from a 50’ man lift, was sooo good and so easy to use, and I didn’t have to pull the string all day.
My first and only chainsaw is that Makita. I freaking love it. Its so light and quiet. Having used gas saws in the past, i realize that it's not as powerful and won't do as much work as easily (fuel versus recharching), but they are compromises that im absolutely willing to make for what i use it for.
i used an electric chainsaw back in the 80's it was plenty powerful.. just had to watch out for that cord LOL
I still run one around the house.. mine leaks bar oil :-)
Dad bought a corded chainsaw recently and they have come a long way from them pos from the 80s and 90s.
Thanks for the video. Love the convenience of my 16" cordless chainsaw. No gas, no pull start are the biggest Pros. The Cons: i have 6 batteries (4-5 amps) and for cutting up a 15" hardwood log, that gives me about 25 minutes tops. For working away from home, or cutting up a really big tree , it's not so good. That's the trade-off. As pointed out in this video, if u r starting from scratch and don't already have some batteries, cordless saw is an expensive choice (extra batteries are crazy expensive). Really like this RUclips channel.
I’ve been looking at one for clearing small birch 3-4” on a steep bank. I’ve got 3 gas saws. A small medium and big. I like the idea of it doesn’t run till you pull the trigger and stops when you release it.
Electric chainsaws are good for quick little handyman type jobs. Not something you’d bring to the ranch after a storm to clear downed trees from the access road.
At the same time they are great for limbing, awful for bucking though. They overheat and can only handle so many cuts.
Mostly true on limbing. They still have a huge weight balance issue.
I live in Alaska , your battery is great until its cold. And if your like us we cut in the winter months too.
Motorbikes are having the same problem :-)
Great video as always. I think your points and conclusions are well thought out. As a "handy" homeowner I would offer one wrinkle. Cordless tool systems are great as long as you are using them all the time. I have had terrible luck with extra batteries that can end up sitting for a few months unused. Batteries don't like to sit and are crazy expensive to replace. About the only cordless tools I find I use regularly enough to keep the batteries happy are my cordless drill & impact driver. Everything else in my shop I've gone back to the trusty corded version. As for my saws, I only run ethanol free fuel in them and have never had any issues with starting. What you are saying here makes total sense for the every day guys who only need a saw for periodic light use.
Thanks for the video, my wrists no longer have the snap needed to fire up a 2 cycle anything...including a chainsaw...so I purchased a 18 inch 80v battery power chain saw...it really gets the job done. Your video helped me with my decision.
Electric is where it is. I don’t miss being on a ladder starting my gas saw. I’m building a all electric riding lawnmower. 3 motors on the deck and one for the drive train. Using around 100 18650’s from 2 boxs or lanovo laptop battiers I cracked. The changing circuits are far more work than the brackets and mounts for the motors
Sweet. Post videos please.
Only an idiot uses a chainsaw on a ladder
Paul Waclawski we all can’t buy a bucket truck. Usually I tie off on a tree but small ones alone you got no choice but to limb it and work your way down.
Battery powered equipment has progressed lightyears in the past 5 years.
Just bought my first chainsaw Milwaukee 16” for clearing trails and just for firewood and couldn’t be happier. For a heavy job or daily I wouldn’t recommend it but for the camper or diy and already invested into the m18 system I’d recommend. I’ve cut a few 20” rounds and gets the job done for basics. Pros:no ear pro,no gas,no carb rebuilds. Cons:battery cost and missing the beautiful smell of 2 stroke with some caster oil. First time viewing your channel and awesome work
I agree. My new Milwaukee using M18battery is a great saw to take in truck on camping trips. Still they leak oil unless one totally drains the lub out. No more mixing, bad gas, carb rebuilds, sparkplugs, 2stroke smoky smell clothing.
Am I the only one who doesn't remember seeing the review video?
I was thinking the same thing. Must be Nate’s backlog 😝
Can’t disagree on the electrodes saw however I’d say that a battery sawzall with a pruning blade is just as effective for the 5 times a year pruning
Great point.
If you already own a good sawzall and just have to prune a few branches a couple of times a year, I totally agree that it's ridiculous to go out and buy an electric chainsaw. I just literally threw a DeWalt electric saw away because it was the cheesiest cordless tool I ever purchased. Both the blade and extremely thin bar were damaged the first time I got it pinched in a small tree (Yeah, it was totally my fault) whereas my two Stihl gas saws have endured the same situation more times than I'd care to admit with no damage whatsoever. Additionally, the DeWalt electric leaked chain oil in unbelievable amounts. So save your money and buy a few quality Sawzall blades from Diablo or Milwaukee. Happy cutting.
Your comments are as good as always and I like my cordless Makita tools. But there is no replacement for the sound of gas engine saw.
Just got my Milwaukee 14" today and did a little yard cleanup. Not getting rid of my Stihl but since I hav a bad rotator cuff starting it is a literal pain.
"We have chainsaw safety videos" but starts the video by cold revving a saw, finishes the video by drop starting a chainsaw and then also attempting to cold rev the saw... let the saw warm up so you don't cold seize it!
"Put on your safety gear"
* Shows himself in the video handling chainsaws without any safety gear*
I was taught that you put the saw down on a stable surface to start it too, not just pull the cord in mid air like he is doing.
I was the same way up until 2 weeks ago when I tried the DeWalt chainsaw. It left me very impressed.
What i want to know is the preference for husqavarna over stilhl. I’m contemplating purchasing a professional saw and have used my dads 455 rancher for a long time and love it
Just like electric cars, it's not "if" but "when"! Or more precisely, the territory (of cost vs capability) where they're the superior choice is steadily and inevitably growing. Like EVs they also share the character that skeptics almost universally have never tried a good one. That said, my V8:EV ratio is 5:1, and I just bought my first saw (used) and it's gas-powered.
I heard (from fellow EV engineer and previous owner of my little Stihl MS211) that the low-end grunt of an electric chainsaw allows them to power right through the safety fabric that clogs and stalls a gas saw. Add to that the tendency to discount the danger of something quieter (my electric motorcycle will wheelie out from under you if you don't know to brace yourself for the launch), and I'd say they have more potential for danger rather than merely equal!
17 seconds in....... I don’t care how experienced someone is, this guy hasn’t an ounce of sense of he’s not wearing any ppe..
Wake up guys!
I have that same Mikita. Use it for home building and around the yard. Never looked back.
I use my Stihl for cutting trees and bucking firewood, but, we live on a 1.5 mile one lane driveway and occasionally have trees or large branches come down on the road at the most inopportune times, like on the way to an appointment. So, I bought the Milwaukee M-18 Fuel chainsaw to keep in the truck. No gas fumes, always ready to go. I also use it for cutting up downed trees on the mountain side so the limbs are all on the ground and will rot faster and not allow vines to grow up nearby trees. About the time the battery is out of juice so am I so it works out well and I don't have to carry gas or oil. I have found that the chain speed is slower than my Stihl saw and it doesn't plunge cut very well, although that may be more due to the anti-kickback chain than the cordless saw. The cordless saw will never replace my gas powered saw, but it is a nice, useful counterpart to my tree cutting arsenal.
Last year I bough Echo cs490 to flatten out bunch (150+) of sharp stumps lumberjacks left behind on my property. This saw is all (and more) than homeowner needs... but since stumps been flattened I find myself reaching for $30 corded Remington 9/10 times for cleanup work. Surprising how much easier dragging 100ft of cable feels comparing to taking big gas saw out of the long term storage.
Not shopping for one right now but my next chainsaw purchase will be Ryobi... just to go with my 40v garden tools So far I complete fell in love with blower, string trimmer, hedge trimmer and edged (in that order).
I bought a stihl battery saw ...its fantastic ..my gas saws are now my backup saws
Bought 2 Makita cordless saws in the past year and continue to be amazed with both.
Your comments about just as dangerous are dead on.
Made same observation when I purchased my Ruger LCR. Hard to take something so small and light as seriously as it’s conventional counterpart.
I love those little Husky's. I also got one of those Makita's the other day. Good for more subtle/covert work.
I'm a retired arborist, and use Makita cordless saws for my coppicing and timber frame building work. It's been a game changer for me. My Huskies and Stihls are now reserved for logging and felling, so there's a good team there. "Horses for courses" as is said.
Hey Scott, thanks for the update on your regard for electric chainsaws. I appreciate your willingness to modify an opinion based on real-world experience. My experience with the one unit I've owned, has been the opposite of yours. The culprit was a DeWalt 60 volt model with a 16 inch bar. It was the worst investment in a cordless tool that I've ever made. It cut reasonably well and held a charge for quite a few cuts, but that was when I used it for trimming limbs on smaller trees or small diameter firewood. The very first time I made a mistake with it - getting the bar pinched in a small tree I was felling while not paying attention the way I should have - both the chain and the bar were ruined. Granted, I messed up, but I've owned several Stihl gas saws, which have endured greater challenges and much longer use, and been more forgiving. Then the DeWalt began profusely leaking oil wherever I set it down, making it impossible to store on a shelf in my barn or transport in a vehicle without taking ridiculous measures to avoid making a huge mess. Long story short: the saw is no longer in my tool array and I'd never recommend one to anyone else. In general, I love cordless tools and have had good luck with a number of other DeWalts - drill, impact driver, jigsaw, reciprocating saw, etc, and would recommend them. But I'm sticking with gas-powered chainsaws for the foreseeable future.
Recently bought a top-handle Makita battery powered 8" with belt clip. Great climbing/trim saw compared to rope start gas for arborist duty.
Great video. I've been using a Greenworks 40V 16" saw since May of 2018. Probably about 50 recharges on each of 2 batteries. Never had a glitch. I did slip once and the Kevlar fibers in my chaps stopped the saw cold. I will never go back to a gas saw.
I've had my eye on the larger Milwaukee chainsaw, but I'm waiting for them to make it more durable with regard to the bar studs.
Got my first ever circular saw this week after years of watching woodworking videos and what not. It's not much but I'm really enjoying it so far, can't wait to start building more stuff.
Might look for ways to justify an electric chainsaw in the future, although I know my dad has a Stihl that's been sitting for at least 10 years...
I love my Dewalt 20v weedwhacker and jobsite/leaf blower, going to add the 12" 20v this spring. Already have 8 batteries in that system.
I still borrow my dad's 14hp cart blower to do my full yard but to get sawdust off the porch or leaves off my back deck the blower is a godsend. I can also weedwhack everything I'd want to in my yard on a single 5AH battery charge. And like you said they're always 100% ready to go no fuss no smell no special containers for different premixes.
I have gas for the mower/snowblower and a shelf full of batteries for everything else.
For the home gamer you really can’t go wrong with the Makita. I was in the same position as you were; I had a tree limb that our first fall snow had bend into the ground. The limb was 15’ feet up and was part of a very large branch I didn’t want to remove. I didn’t climb the tree, though used a ladder leaned against another branch. Really made short work of the branch. I was always intending to buy a small gas chainsaw until I saw Project Farm’s video review of battery saws. I already have Makita battery tools so I thought why buy a gas saw when I may only use it a few times a year. Well, @ $409 it came with four 5 Ah batteries a double charger, I realized I just bought four batteries and got a saw for free.