I've had this saw since it came out and used it on log cabin work and cutting firewood and trails. I've ran it often in 25 below farenheit. replaced the sprocket recently. I also threw away the original thin .043 bar and chain replaced it with a 0.050 oregon and it cuts way faster no power lags and it was easier to Sharpen. I hope Milwaukee come out with 20" saw that runs faster
Great review. Thanks. I have both, but enjoyed your take. I pack the electric on trail clearing and overland expeditions. Also being ready for supply issues with fuel and solar recharging. I use the Stihl for the main work load of cutting wood for the winter, the Milwaukee for trimming, quit cuts, and above mentioned duties. You are spot on with your comparisons.
I had the same problem with my M18 bar - filleting out at the end like that. I didn't think the chain was too tight, but 🤷♂️. I also have a pretty descent bar oil leak when the M18 sits. I have found if I pit it on it's side, the side with the bar oil filler cap on it (with the bar angled up), it doesn't leak at all. It leaks the most when I hang it up by the hole Milwaukee put in the bottom side of the handle, for hanging, to keep it out of the way. Oy.
I run a .050 18" bar with a matching 3/8 pitch 62 link semi chisel chain. The lubrication is so much better and the saw doesn't lose any performance with that setup. If anything the saw runs quieter. I've got a full chisel chain on order and we will see how fast she will run.
I own the same POS chainsaw. The issue is the bar is stamp for 43 gauge chain. Put a 50 gauge Oregon s56 on there and it will be a completely different animal. The angle issue you're referring to is operator putting twisting torque on the bar when cutting. Extremely exasperated by the chain flopping around in the because of a major safety blunder from the manufacturer. The next issue you will encounter is wood chips getting jammed because the safety guard is designed as a wedge to plug up. This causes wood chips to be thrown forward bouncing off of material being cut and then packing into the batteries release mechanism. Perfectly designed with The Gap around the battery for the chips to deflect off of. The wood chips will eventually make it impossible to squeeze in the tabs to release the battery so you have to separate the housing to free it. It is at this point you realize the biggest flaw in the chainsaw is the fact that all of the electrical motors airflow discharge is not blowing over the battery to help cool it and the connections now fused from melted plastic due to poor design. It's a perfect example of a chainsaw design by somebody who's had no experience except seeing one in the picture once.
Dude, good post, but this saw IS NOT for large tree trunks. It’s for bushes, limbing and trunks on small/medium sized trees. I believe every man still needs a couple gas saws and this is meant to compliment them, not replace them.
I just had a 12AH replaced on warranty because it would only charge up 2 bars on the gauge. (Never overheated) I have the chainsaw, blower, and weed trimmer. I use it most in the blower and trimmer so I think it's probably all Milwaukee OPE that eat these batteries.
I just bought this saw and two 12ah batteries. Used it this weekend to fell a large tree. It will overheat them if you push them. But the saw shuts off if it happens. A bit of an inconvenience, but the saw is so nice to use!
I have both also and you are so right about the best of both worlds. I bought them for cutting my own lumber to mill up for building items such as custom furniture or so on. I use the m18 for quick stuff and stihl for anything that’s longer run time. If I’m cleaning up debris versus multiple full-size trees which I do cut every so often.
I don't have any of thoes saws in fact about 2 years ago I went to battery power only, I sale 1 huskvarna and 1 stihl and keep my old 162 huskvarna in full operation satatus bat just as memory. I have the Stihl MSA300, 161T, 220C, GTA26 and also the Trimmer 135 witch use the same batteries. Bateries I have AP200, AP300, AP300S, and AP500S they all fit in all machines except the GTA26 witch use a smaller and different battery. In regard to battery overheat, yes I have that happen quite few times in particular with saw MSA300 and with Trimmer, I believe is caused for overstresing, like if I am using the 18" bar on oak about the size of the bar on fast continue cuts yes the battery got hot and not even start recharging before it cools off. However so far all have performed well never give me any problem and in case of the 161T it went beyond my expectation for such small saw.
a sharp chain, stay off the dogs and let the saw cut. Zero overheating issues with any series of the batteries from 5-6-8-9-12ah in my experience using them from 40-95*f temps As far as comparison and costs go, you didn't mention dealing with, maintaining, buying: air filters, fuel filters, carb rebuilds, stale fuel, fuel mix, non-ethanol fuel, another fuel can, spark plug, coil/gap, exhaust in your face etc. My main three saws (of 12) are my Milwaukee (16"), Husqvarna 372xp (24") and Husqvarna 3120xp (36"), for convenience the Milwaukee is my go to saw in most situations. YMMV based on your needs.
@@svendb7 "Dogs" on your saw are the spikey teeth on the saw body (and sometimes the chain/clutch cover) that are perpendicular to the bar that dig into the wood and allow you to leverage the saw acting as a fulcrum point and lean into the saw hard to "make it cut". If you have a strong saw it can work in your favor, but on the electric ones I've found, in my experience, it's best to just let the saw cut without leaning hard into the wood using the dogs. Your batteries will thank you for it in the long run.
Yep. I bought 4 x when they came out. Had about 5 x warranty fails before the warranty period expired. I still have them now. And when they get weird, I pull them apart and manually balance cells, and they go good again.
Well, you win the prize for a keen eye. I noticed that too when I was editing, but left it in the video. I'm thinking that bend was from a pinch I don't remember. I really wanted to make the point about the definite outward bend tendency there is with this saw because of the lack of clearance angle with body frame and handle. The Stihl has better angled clearances. I hope Milwaukee changes that design if they do a gen 2.
I can tell you without question the Milwaukee chainsaws will kill batteries I’ve killed 2 eight ah battery’s personally on the 2826 top handle model…I’m excited to see how the new forge batteries do I can say without question if you plan on buying this, you will be best served to have at minimum one or 2 12 amp hour batteries if you plan on doing any significant amount of work with em but damn their nice saws I love the top handle it’s my go to saw
I can tell you without question the Milwaukee chainsaws will kill batteries I’ve killed 2 eight ah battery’s personally on the 2826 top handle model…I’m excited to see how the new forge batteries do I can say without question if you plan on buying this, you will be best served to have at minimum one or 2 12 amp hour batteries if you plan on doing any significant amount of work with em but damn their nice saws I love the top handle it’s my go to saw
I'm old school, and use petrol equipment only,though I have just purchased a Milwaukee M12. My son works for a countryside management company, which have a few Stihl battery tools, he told me that they have to warm up the batteries in the winter, before they will work! Doesn't get very cold in the UK ,but I've never had that issue with petrol equipment!
I use the Milwaukee saw sporadically. The biggest problem I have is sharpening. You can't move the chain to gain access to all the teeth. It's stationary when not powered on.
the 9.0 were notorious for having issues , its honestly just good practice to warranty them as soon as you get them , I use the 8.0 and 6.0 batteries I've also used the 3.0 to run it when I was out and they all worked great In it .
I bought 4 x 9ah batteries when they came out. I had 5 or 6 warranty claims before the warranty expired. Now when the batteries start getting weird, I pull them apart and manually rebalance the cells. Then it seams to fix them for a while.
The 9.0 uses 18650 batteries, whereas the HD 12 and XC 8.0 use 21700 batteries. The latter can draw a much higher current, and that's why your 9.0 overheated, whereas, the 12 did not. I bet the 8.0 will not overheat either but lasts shorter.
The 8.0 don’t overheat unless you’re REALLY dogging the saw in my experience. I cut up about a face cord worth of logs (before splitting) on a single 8.0 battery and it didn’t give me any trouble until into the last bar of charge when it did overheat. That said, the wood was soaked, in less than ideal positions, and it was 35c. All in all I think the 12.0 would be worth it for sure but you can absolutely get away with the 8.0s no problem. Even on my 5.0 batteries I can do some light to medium duty stuff without overheating the life just isn’t very good.
The 9ah have known and well documented issues. The problem is the cell groups get out of balance with use, and the BMS can't keep them balanced. As you use them, the cell groups become unbalanced due to minor differences between groups. And over time it gets to a point where 1 or 2 cell groups are way lower than the others. Then you put it in the charger, and the higher cell groups are at peak cell voltage and that turns the BMS off, so the charger / user think its fully charged. But in reality, it's got a low cell group. Which can't output the current under use, and gives the impression that the entire battery is poo. If you periodically pull them apart and manually individually balance each cell group, then they go good and seam reliable. It's a pain in the arse. But if you already have the batteries, and warranty has expired. Then you can keep them going and save them from scrap with this little extra hassle.
Good to get the info on batteries. I've never had a problem in what must be 15 years of milwaukee use. And some of it quite abusive😂. I've purchased gardening gear recently and all come with ho 12 and 8 amp hr batts. Glad to say. The problem here is overheating. Queensland Australia. Always keeping tools out of the sun on a break so as to not fry em. Worked thus far. Cheers.
My m18 quit running after it sat for 2 yrs. I had a little heart work, so didn't saw at all then. I charged it up, it worked fine for a few cuts, taking out poles of 3 inches. It acted up after a few cuts, then quit totaly. Battery 3/4. I kept twitching the trigger, got a start again and then quit for good. I'd say keep it in a nice dry warm place for long term storage. Good luck.
I just figured out this saw of mine won't run if the temp is above 20f!If it's cold it will go, but if you just wave a hair dryer around the motor end it won't run till it cools. Its 15-20f here . I tryed the saw just for why not and it went. I usually find things won't go if its cold, not this. I must have a bad overtemp sensor. Any one else ever had one just quit, try it in the cold. Now I have to figure out what to do to get it fixed.
Nice review. I haven't had overheating issues when using the 21-700 cell 6ah, 8ah or 12ah High Output batteries in the saw, trimmer or blower. However, my 18-650 cell 9ah and 5ah batteries will overheat when running the tools hard in hot weather. They're fine for small jobs, though.
Anything other than HO batteries will only last seconds... that's why milwaukee out or they're the HO batteries are to be used I have 1 8ah and 3 12ah batteries that I only use
I’m surprised the eights & 9s are one of the ones I have had issues with however, I’m not the Sixes I have timed a 6 out but knew better than to dig in right after that again
The day I bought my M12 Hatchet, I took it to my Stihl dealer. When I pulled the trigger, the first thing I noticed was the torque. It's not like running a gas saw. You have to get the feel for it. It's only got a short bar. Can you put after-market spikes on there? The Stihl salesman said, "Milwaukee is up and coming."
Good sir, I like the cut of your jib. Thanks for sharing your experience. I've been wanting the M18 chainsaw for sometime but couldn't justify the cost. In addition to that, I have a lot of XC 5.0 Ah packs but did not venture into the HD and HO packs so that was a worry that the high amperage draw of that torquey motor would, as you surmised, kill any packs with less than robust cells. Do you use the M18 FUEL SAWZALL in the background for pruning? Cheers!
@@bzeug Update: Yes, 2727-20 kill older HO/HD packs that had flawed cells. At least one of my 12.0 Ah is down for the count. Showed full charge, ran for 3 minutes cutting saplings, died (blinking 1 bar), showed 3 bars charging on a rapid charger for 10 minutes. This was an older 12.0 Ah pack so I am of the opinion that it affects older packs more so than new. Hopefully, it can still be warrantied, but I don't mind paying for a repair or replacing the cells myself. Thanks again for all the information you've shared with us all!
@@Christ-is-King- I try my best to keep my older 5.0s away from amperage queens like the blower and other garden/lawn stuff exactly out of fear of that happening.
Do you think it was just a matter of the 9s being poorly built in general? I’ve heard them being discontinued and replaced with the 8amps..I’ve never pushed mine that hard but I did have to have one replaced
@@bzeug I'm sure you know this already and far be it from me to tell another man how to use his equipment. There is actually a grease hole on the front of the bar to grease the flat bearings that the front sprocket rides on dont know if that will help any just looking out.
@@atrainace114 Hey, thank you for telling me about that! I've noticed that hole before but I did not know it was specifically for greasing that front bearing. Much appreciated.
@@bzeug No problem. Thanks for the content. I have always greased mine but I have researched and found articles that have stated greasing caused problems, but most of those cases the hole had debris in it. Then the grease pushes that debris in with it if not cleaned out prior to the lube being inserted. Awesome video keep up the good work.
Just ordered one. Of course, I won't use it at much as you do. Amazon has the Oregon bar with the thicker chain for $20-$30 dollars. Notice that the milwaukee comes with a .43 which is going to jump more than a .50 You can put a 14 inch .50 oregon bar/chain also. Which should result in less bending and faster cutting.
I have some Milwaukee tools and they are nice but I see a common theme on many of these videos. The price point seems about 20-30% higher than the value these tools deliver. Maybe it’s just me but I wonder if the ryobi would stack up about the same as it’s made in the same factory. I haven’t made the plunge yet on an electric chainsaw but might end up going with a cheap ryobi and roll the dice. You can get a 40V (36V) ryobi kit for about $200. That’s not too bad.
My m18 chainsaw "killed" my 8ah and 12ah batteries. It drains them too fast for the BMS to keep up with balancing them, or the Super Charger charges them too fast for the BMS to keep up. I have a capacitored active balancer that I wire up to the 5 banks inside the batteries to re-balance them after they fail. That's usually how they fail. Only charge to 2-3 bars because they go out of balance.
Nice video. I did buy both....sort of. An Echo Timber Wolf last year and the Milwaukee last week. I couldn't pass up the Milwaukee deal at Home Depot: saw + 12ah + bonus 6ah for $499. I also have a lot of dead Ash tree cleanup!
Last summer I bought a Milwaukee cordless weed eater with two M18 9.0 ah batteries and they both over heated and will not charge any more. I sent an email to Milwaukee about replacing them.. I too have the Milwaukee cordless chain saw and the Milwaukee cordless lawn mower and they came with the 12 ah batteries and they do just fine.
Just came across your review and I had the same problem as you had. 2 12amp ho batteries over heated and one 9amp battery over heated aswell, cutting fallen gumtree s after a storm (all batteries failed in 18 degrees Celsius). All 3 batteries were useless and no warranty on the batteries as I use them for my business buffing cars. And the amount of bar oil it uses on or just sitting when not in use. Milwaukee make good tools but I think in my opinion the battery technology needs to get better as Dewalt have done with the flex volt.
Great review thanks, I bought one of these and put a Chinwaukee Battery in it from EBay and it did at least do ONE cut :) My regular batteries seem OK but yea I feel they might not do to well if I tried to use this for everything. Good saw regardless, I really like it, but like any tool a bit of common sense use, goes a long way.
The 2826 and the 2727 both will kill batteries if you overload them and don’t wait long enough so I just swap if it times out don’t fall into the temptation of making just one more cut, change the battery or you’re gonna ruin it…I’m glad others have noticed this odd sequence of events as I’ve only seen talked to 3 or 4 people now half are climbing arborists that have experienced this, what is weird about it tho is the voltage was still at 18.5v so it wasn’t below the low-voltage cut off I’d hope and The cell strings were not out of balance. I think it drew too much current and Fried a component on the board or something, nothing looks burnt or visibly damaged, but I’m not going to rip it apart and ruin my warranty however I just don’t know what else could’ve happened is no these chainsaws will kill batteries for a fact, especially the 8 & 9 ah batteries the 6 (identical footprint as the 8 ) not so much an will work for like 20 30 cuts that’s a guess I’ll check tho this week how many I get on an xc6.0…. That’s just my two pennies take it with a grain of salt. I’m no expert.
Was considering one of these to toss in my camping gear as I already have a pile of the xc 4.0 batteries. But now I'm concerned about ruining them. Would only be used for really small cuts just a few times a month. Maybe if I swap to a very short bar with a high quality chain?
I would also be concerned about ruining those batteries. Although I can't backup the claim with proof, I believe this saw can over drive/over heat a battery and shorten its life. Stick with the high output batteries in this tool.
I think it is a battery killer, I love the chainsaw but my HD12 battery died and I didn't use my chainsaw like you used yours. I was past my warranty and Milwaukee Service Depot didn't want to replace it so very disappointed. The HD12 here in Canada are $298-$398 depends where you shop. Great video
They ask for serial number off of battery. They ask for name and address. Did not ask for receipt or any sales info at all. I think the reason is, since the 12ah batteries have not even been on the market for 5 years, they assume it is covered by the 5 year warranty.
Sounds like you got yourself a dud on the Milwaukee. I’m a lineman for a utility and we’ve had 4 of these saws for the last 2 years. Used and abused daily. Pleasantly surprised none of them leak a drop of bar oil. We mainly use 12Amp Hour batteries but some 9ah and occasionally 5ah batteries get thrown in the saws. Never had a battery malfunction. We love the Milwaukee saws and rarely use the Stihl ms180 saws we also keep on the truck. Only con we have on the Milwaukee is the bars are junk and will get bent easily
I have been trying to narrow down, the idea of going electric. Thanks for the insights. As torque goes, electric wins across the rpm band. In fact BEWARE kevlar may not protect you.
Hey there Mr. Bzeug. If you ever have any interest in fixing your milwaukee batteries that read fully charged at 3 bars, there is a couple tricks to making them work like new again. I'd be happy to share them with you. I'll watch for a reply!
6 new chains in 2 or 3 years of use? I sharpen my chain every 30 minutes of cutting. I’m going to guess that your overheating batteries are from sawing with dull chains. Never greasing the front sprocket probably contributes as well.
I don’t believe the 9 amp batteries were designed to be used in the chainsaw. They’re utilizing the older 18650 batteries. My recommendation would have been the 8 amp HO or 12 amp HO batteries, which are utilizing the 21700 cells. Which are optimized for the table saw, miter saw, chain saw, etc…
I’ve been using Milwaukee power tools since 2015, I’m an automotive mechanic. I still have all the tools I started buying in 2015 and the batteries even still work. I wish that I didn’t buy a gas powered weed wacker, blower and chain saw I would much rather have the Milwaukee stuff. My gas powered stuff is the brand echo and the backpack blower broke down after a year it needed a new carburetor and I only had about 4 hours run Time on and to get it fixed Uber warranty is a pain in the ass because Home Depot won’t exchange it because gas was in the tank so u have to bring it to a place that services them which is 30 min drive they said it would be 3 weeks before they look at it and then depending on if they have the parts a week minimum to repair it. I told them look I own a auto repair shop so I know engines the blower needs a carburetor, they said well we don’t have one in stock and I said well I called yesterday with the part number and you said you had a bunch of them in stock and in 3-4 weeks we will have snow on the ground so I really need my blower fixed so I can clean my leaves up it’s really all I use it for, I have tools in my truck can I take the carburetor off my blower in my truck so I can give u the old broken part and give me the new one and I’ll give you my information and sign a receipt so you guys can still get paid for the warranty job, I have the receipt from Home Depot when I bought it so you can make ur money on the warranty job and you don’t even need to do anything just give me the part, they refused tolerate me do that which I completely understand but u know I do own a auto repair shop so it’s not like I’m some average customer I can fix it but again I understand why they said no just kinda shitty that they had the part in stock, it’s literally 2 bolts it takes 1 minute to change the carburetor I mean the time I wasted talking to the guy it could have been fixed and I would have been home by then. They said you can leave it or buy a new carburetor for 120 bucks plus tax lol. I’m not paying 120 for it seeing how I paid 400 bucks for it brand new less then a year ago so I bought an aftermarket carburetor for 20 bucks from ebay which was a better carburetor that actually has low and high speed adjustments so it actually runs better then new. I’m not mad that they wouldn’t supply me with a warranty carburetor so I can fix it myself that’s just now how you do things but they could see that my blower was literally like brand new no scratches on it or anything and it was late in the season I just needed it, if that was one of my customers I would have taken the 5 minutes to just fix it quick, I could understand if it was a big job but it’s literally a 5 minute fix, if one of his guys was taking a cigarette break they could have fixed it before the cigarette was done. Now any time I need a Milwaukee tool or battery warrantied I go on their website, print off a free shipping label, sent it out and I have my tool back in one week Milwaukee makes warranty’s absolutely hassle free nobody does that and to top it off their power tools are cheaper than another comparable tool, more powerful and better battery life.
As far as Milwaukee batteries the 21700 cells are the wat to go for all battery needs . That would be the 3.0 the 8.0. Then 12.0. I will Never buy or use a 18650 battery again.
Man it’s no secret that Milwaukee has a battery issue. They’re warranty process is great and they stand by they’re product. But they really need to work on the battery construction. My m18 impact has destroyed every battery I have 🤦♂️
Honestly Idc what critiques this chainsaw has This chainsaw Wasn't meant for "Extremely heavy hauling and Cutting through Suoer thick pieces of wood" This was more meant for lighter Cutting work.
No experience with the saw yet but Milwaukee had issues with the 9.0ah batteries unrelated to what tool they were in. Typical top notch customer service it sounds like which is what Milwaukee is known for. Good video! Thanks Milwaukee for continuing to make bada$$ tools!
Thanks for reminding me. Yes those M18 batteries add up fast. All my batteries were bought in kits with some kind of discount, such as Acme Tool Sale 15% off, or HomeDepot Credit Card offer of 10% off (sometimes more).
i like your review style becos U R detailed - unlike other reviewers who only talk marketing features but do not discuss design problems / reliability issues. Keep it up. Concerning electronic vs petrol engines & ability to leave electronic chainsaw unused for long time. In reality, electrical components do fail over time - even when unused. Eg is capacitors which absorb humidity & this is no good for them. In some mission critical systems - like train control radio systems - the spares eqpt habe to be kept in temp controlled rooms & some ate even kept powered up to keep components warm @ constant temp. Otherwise, this obviously is extreme op mode but illustrates the point.
I wonder what causes the leak! i have this milwaukee and the smaller chain with the extension attachment that also leaks like crazy where ever i set it!
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Save you some time. His answer to his own question "is it a battery killer?" is "I don't know". There, saved you 18 minutes.
Thank you
You’re doing the Lord’s work.
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Doing gods work thanks
Thanks! He may not know about killing batteries but he knows how to kill time
I've had this saw since it came out and used it on log cabin work and cutting firewood and trails. I've ran it often in 25 below farenheit. replaced the sprocket recently. I also threw away the original thin .043 bar and chain replaced it with a 0.050 oregon and it cuts way faster no power lags and it was easier to Sharpen. I hope Milwaukee come out with 20" saw that runs faster
+1 to this, upgrading to the 0.050 bar and chain has been a HUGE improvement for me.
@@Chamdar17 same!
yep I went as well 050 - no more bent bars! Much better range of chains available too
Thanks for the your review. Been thinking about getting one of these.
Can this saw run the 050 and say 500mm bar? Thinking of getting it to make woodturning blanks.
Great review. Thanks. I have both, but enjoyed your take. I pack the electric on trail clearing and overland expeditions. Also being ready for supply issues with fuel and solar recharging. I use the Stihl for the main work load of cutting wood for the winter, the Milwaukee for trimming, quit cuts, and above mentioned duties. You are spot on with your comparisons.
I had the same problem with my M18 bar - filleting out at the end like that. I didn't think the chain was too tight, but 🤷♂️. I also have a pretty descent bar oil leak when the M18 sits. I have found if I pit it on it's side, the side with the bar oil filler cap on it (with the bar angled up), it doesn't leak at all. It leaks the most when I hang it up by the hole Milwaukee put in the bottom side of the handle, for hanging, to keep it out of the way. Oy.
I run a .050 18" bar with a matching 3/8 pitch 62 link semi chisel chain. The lubrication is so much better and the saw doesn't lose any performance with that setup. If anything the saw runs quieter. I've got a full chisel chain on order and we will see how fast she will run.
can I get the make model/part number of that? The longer oregon bar I tried was all the correct size except the mounting bolts did not line up.
@@bzeug it's a powercare y62 bar and chain kit from home depot
I own the same POS chainsaw.
The issue is the bar is stamp for 43 gauge chain.
Put a 50 gauge Oregon s56 on there and it will be a completely different animal.
The angle issue you're referring to is operator putting twisting torque on the bar when cutting.
Extremely exasperated by the chain flopping around in the because of a major safety blunder from the manufacturer.
The next issue you will encounter is wood chips getting jammed because the safety guard is designed as a wedge to plug up.
This causes wood chips to be thrown forward bouncing off of material being cut and then packing into the batteries release mechanism. Perfectly designed with The Gap around the battery for the chips to deflect off of.
The wood chips will eventually make it impossible to squeeze in the tabs to release the battery so you have to separate the housing to free it.
It is at this point you realize the biggest flaw in the chainsaw is the fact that all of the electrical motors airflow discharge is not blowing over the battery to help cool it and the connections now fused from melted plastic due to poor design.
It's a perfect example of a chainsaw design by somebody who's had no experience except seeing one in the picture once.
Bloody good reply thanks mate
Dude, good post, but this saw IS NOT for large tree trunks. It’s for bushes, limbing and trunks on small/medium sized trees. I believe every man still needs a couple gas saws and this is meant to compliment them, not replace them.
I just had a 12AH replaced on warranty because it would only charge up 2 bars on the gauge. (Never overheated) I have the chainsaw, blower, and weed trimmer. I use it most in the blower and trimmer so I think it's probably all Milwaukee OPE that eat these batteries.
I just bought this saw and two 12ah batteries. Used it this weekend to fell a large tree. It will overheat them if you push them. But the saw shuts off if it happens. A bit of an inconvenience, but the saw is so nice to use!
I have both also and you are so right about the best of both worlds. I bought them for cutting my own lumber to mill up for building items such as custom furniture or so on. I use the m18 for quick stuff and stihl for anything that’s longer run time. If I’m cleaning up debris versus multiple full-size trees which I do cut every so often.
I don't have any of thoes saws in fact about 2 years ago I went to battery power only, I sale 1 huskvarna and 1 stihl and keep my old 162 huskvarna in full operation satatus bat just as memory.
I have the Stihl MSA300, 161T, 220C, GTA26 and also the Trimmer 135 witch use the same batteries.
Bateries I have AP200, AP300, AP300S, and AP500S they all fit in all machines except the GTA26 witch use a smaller and different battery.
In regard to battery overheat, yes I have that happen quite few times in particular with saw MSA300 and with Trimmer, I believe is caused for overstresing, like if I am using the 18" bar on oak about the size of the bar on fast continue cuts yes the battery got hot and not even start recharging before it cools off.
However so far all have performed well never give me any problem and in case of the 161T it went beyond my expectation for such small saw.
a sharp chain, stay off the dogs and let the saw cut. Zero overheating issues with any series of the batteries from 5-6-8-9-12ah in my experience using them from 40-95*f temps
As far as comparison and costs go, you didn't mention dealing with, maintaining, buying: air filters, fuel filters, carb rebuilds, stale fuel, fuel mix, non-ethanol fuel, another fuel can, spark plug, coil/gap, exhaust in your face etc.
My main three saws (of 12) are my Milwaukee (16"), Husqvarna 372xp (24") and Husqvarna 3120xp (36"), for convenience the Milwaukee is my go to saw in most situations. YMMV based on your needs.
Hey thanks, newb question…what do you mean by “stay off the dogs”?
@@svendb7 "Dogs" on your saw are the spikey teeth on the saw body (and sometimes the chain/clutch cover) that are perpendicular to the bar that dig into the wood and allow you to leverage the saw acting as a fulcrum point and lean into the saw hard to "make it cut". If you have a strong saw it can work in your favor, but on the electric ones I've found, in my experience, it's best to just let the saw cut without leaning hard into the wood using the dogs. Your batteries will thank you for it in the long run.
@@svendb7 don’t use the saw to cut up dogs
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I use only Trufuel in my small engine tools - makes a big difference when if comes to tools sitting around a season. No more carburetor problems.
Milwaukee recalled a lot of the HD 9.0 batteries. They also stopped selling the 9.0 model all together.
Yep. I bought 4 x when they came out. Had about 5 x warranty fails before the warranty period expired. I still have them now. And when they get weird, I pull them apart and manually balance cells, and they go good again.
@@BramBiesiekierskiteach me
If the bar was being bent outwards, wouldn't it be bowed not cupped like it is?
Love to see how this piece works long term, looks great!
Well, you win the prize for a keen eye. I noticed that too when I was editing, but left it in the video. I'm thinking that bend was from a pinch I don't remember. I really wanted to make the point about the definite outward bend tendency there is with this saw because of the lack of clearance angle with body frame and handle. The Stihl has better angled clearances. I hope Milwaukee changes that design if they do a gen 2.
I can tell you without question the Milwaukee chainsaws will kill batteries I’ve killed 2 eight ah battery’s personally on the 2826 top handle model…I’m excited to see how the new forge batteries do I can say without question if you plan on buying this, you will be best served to have at minimum one or 2 12 amp hour batteries if you plan on doing any significant amount of work with em but damn their nice saws I love the top handle it’s my go to saw
I can tell you without question the Milwaukee chainsaws will kill batteries I’ve killed 2 eight ah battery’s personally on the 2826 top handle model…I’m excited to see how the new forge batteries do I can say without question if you plan on buying this, you will be best served to have at minimum one or 2 12 amp hour batteries if you plan on doing any significant amount of work with em but damn their nice saws I love the top handle it’s my go to saw
@@Jeff-rk8hqdid you get them replaced%?
I'm old school, and use petrol equipment only,though I have just purchased a Milwaukee M12. My son works for a countryside management company, which have a few Stihl battery tools, he told me that they have to warm up the batteries in the winter, before they will work! Doesn't get very cold in the UK ,but I've never had that issue with petrol equipment!
I use the Milwaukee saw sporadically. The biggest problem I have is sharpening. You can't move the chain to gain access to all the teeth. It's stationary when not powered on.
the 9.0 were notorious for having issues , its honestly just good practice to warranty them as soon as you get them , I use the 8.0 and 6.0 batteries I've also used the 3.0 to run it when I was out and they all worked great In it .
Right. Larger cells room cooler in the 8 and 6s
I bought 4 x 9ah batteries when they came out. I had 5 or 6 warranty claims before the warranty expired.
Now when the batteries start getting weird, I pull them apart and manually rebalance the cells. Then it seams to fix them for a while.
@@BramBiesiekierskiI need to do this on a few!! What amps did you charge the cells at?
I can't recall off the top of my head. My charger has alot of presents based on cell rating. So I just set it to match the cell group.
@@BramBiesiekierski what kind of charger you use?
The 9.0 uses 18650 batteries, whereas the HD 12 and XC 8.0 use 21700 batteries. The latter can draw a much higher current, and that's why your 9.0 overheated, whereas, the 12 did not. I bet the 8.0 will not overheat either but lasts shorter.
the 12ah did over heat and was replaced under warranty.
The 9amp will overheat at the same as the 8amp with 21700 cells
The 8.0 don’t overheat unless you’re REALLY dogging the saw in my experience.
I cut up about a face cord worth of logs (before splitting) on a single 8.0 battery and it didn’t give me any trouble until into the last bar of charge when it did overheat.
That said, the wood was soaked, in less than ideal positions, and it was 35c. All in all I think the 12.0 would be worth it for sure but you can absolutely get away with the 8.0s no problem.
Even on my 5.0 batteries I can do some light to medium duty stuff without overheating the life just isn’t very good.
The 9ah have known and well documented issues. The problem is the cell groups get out of balance with use, and the BMS can't keep them balanced. As you use them, the cell groups become unbalanced due to minor differences between groups. And over time it gets to a point where 1 or 2 cell groups are way lower than the others. Then you put it in the charger, and the higher cell groups are at peak cell voltage and that turns the BMS off, so the charger / user think its fully charged. But in reality, it's got a low cell group. Which can't output the current under use, and gives the impression that the entire battery is poo.
If you periodically pull them apart and manually individually balance each cell group, then they go good and seam reliable. It's a pain in the arse. But if you already have the batteries, and warranty has expired. Then you can keep them going and save them from scrap with this little extra hassle.
Excellent review and lots of user related information and real-world experience. Thank you sir for your efforts...
How do you use 6 chains in 2 years 🤔 and 3 bars. I cut wood for many years and never went thu chains like that.
Was wondering why he didn't just sharpen them ??? Looks like there was plenty life left in them
Good to get the info on batteries. I've never had a problem in what must be 15 years of milwaukee use. And some of it quite abusive😂. I've purchased gardening gear recently and all come with ho 12 and 8 amp hr batts. Glad to say. The problem here is overheating. Queensland Australia. Always keeping tools out of the sun on a break so as to not fry em. Worked thus far. Cheers.
Could you comment on useability?
I mean, will the battery rig take a cut?
Thanks,
Mark
You went through how many chains? Are you sharpening them? I can usually get 2 yrs out of a chain making 15 to 20 chord a year.
My m18 quit running after it sat for 2 yrs. I had a little heart work, so didn't saw at all then. I charged it up, it worked fine for a few cuts, taking out poles of 3 inches. It acted up after a few cuts, then quit totaly. Battery 3/4. I kept twitching the trigger, got a start again and then quit for good. I'd say keep it in a nice dry warm place for long term storage. Good luck.
I am a total fan of Milwaukee and I found that leaving a Fuel impact out in the rain overnight is costly.
I just figured out this saw of mine won't run if the temp is above 20f!If it's cold it will go, but if you just wave a hair dryer around the motor end it won't run till it cools. Its 15-20f here . I tryed the saw just for why not and it went. I usually find things won't go if its cold, not this. I must have a bad overtemp sensor. Any one else ever had one just quit, try it in the cold. Now I have to figure out what to do to get it fixed.
Nice review. I haven't had overheating issues when using the 21-700 cell 6ah, 8ah or 12ah High Output batteries in the saw, trimmer or blower. However, my 18-650 cell 9ah and 5ah batteries will overheat when running the tools hard in hot weather. They're fine for small jobs, though.
Yep. 9ah batteries are a poor design. I've had no problems with my 12ah or my 6ah batteries
Anything other than HO batteries will only last seconds... that's why milwaukee out or they're the HO batteries are to be used
I have 1 8ah and 3 12ah batteries that I only use
I’m surprised the eights & 9s are one of the ones I have had issues with however, I’m not the Sixes I have timed a 6 out but knew better than to dig in right after that again
I understand that there are many different types of milwaukee batteries cp, xd, hd, maybe that is a factor?
This guy knows his stuff. Great review brotha.
The day I bought my M12 Hatchet, I took it to my Stihl dealer. When I pulled the trigger, the first thing I noticed was the torque. It's not like running a gas saw. You have to get the feel for it. It's only got a short bar. Can you put after-market spikes on there?
The Stihl salesman said, "Milwaukee is up and coming."
is it me or does the Stihl bar look deeper?
Anyone use this with normal XC batteries? Bought this to use for chopping firewood camping.
Why not a Aftermarket Bar like a Oregon Bar and chain
Good sir, I like the cut of your jib.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I've been wanting the M18 chainsaw for sometime but couldn't justify the cost. In addition to that, I have a lot of XC 5.0 Ah packs but did not venture into the HD and HO packs so that was a worry that the high amperage draw of that torquey motor would, as you surmised, kill any packs with less than robust cells.
Do you use the M18 FUEL SAWZALL in the background for pruning?
Cheers!
The sawzall in the background was used for cutting buckthorn stumps flush with the frozen ground.
@@bzeug Update:
Yes, 2727-20 kill older HO/HD packs that had flawed cells. At least one of my 12.0 Ah is down for the count. Showed full charge, ran for 3 minutes cutting saplings, died (blinking 1 bar), showed 3 bars charging on a rapid charger for 10 minutes. This was an older 12.0 Ah pack so I am of the opinion that it affects older packs more so than new. Hopefully, it can still be warrantied, but I don't mind paying for a repair or replacing the cells myself.
Thanks again for all the information you've shared with us all!
@@ALAPINO I guess I killed my 5.0 in my blower. It blinks one light and will not charge. It’s over 5 years old though.
@@Christ-is-King- I try my best to keep my older 5.0s away from amperage queens like the blower and other garden/lawn stuff exactly out of fear of that happening.
@@Christ-is-King- Ended up picking up a chainsaw, and it promptly wrecked an older 12.0 pack. Haha!
nice video, how long would you think a battery would last constantly cutting 6" diameter cedar?
Thx for the video. And yes, it has killed 3 of my 9ah batteries. 2 replaced last year. The third died yesterday. Will call 800sawdust on Monday.
Was it just a matter of the 9s being a bad design and discontinued? Do they still send you back those or the 8amps
Do you think it was just a matter of the 9s being poorly built in general? I’ve heard them being discontinued and replaced with the 8amps..I’ve never pushed mine that hard but I did have to have one replaced
Yes, I do think the 9Ah weaknesses were part of the problem.
If I may ask. The Oregon bar on the milwaukee that flayed on the front only, had you ever greased it?
just bar oil. no grease.
@@bzeug I'm sure you know this already and far be it from me to tell another man how to use his equipment. There is actually a grease hole on the front of the bar to grease the flat bearings that the front sprocket rides on dont know if that will help any just looking out.
@@atrainace114 Hey, thank you for telling me about that! I've noticed that hole before but I did not know it was specifically for greasing that front bearing. Much appreciated.
@@bzeug No problem. Thanks for the content. I have always greased mine but I have researched and found articles that have stated greasing caused problems, but most of those cases the hole had debris in it. Then the grease pushes that debris in with it if not cleaned out prior to the lube being inserted. Awesome video keep up the good work.
Just ordered one. Of course, I won't use it at much as you do. Amazon has the Oregon bar with the thicker chain for $20-$30 dollars. Notice that the milwaukee comes with a .43 which is going to jump more than a .50 You can put a 14 inch .50 oregon bar/chain also. Which should result in less bending and faster cutting.
If I got a ripping chain do you think it could rip a 5ft board that's 10 inches wide?
I have some Milwaukee tools and they are nice but I see a common theme on many of these videos. The price point seems about 20-30% higher than the value these tools deliver. Maybe it’s just me but I wonder if the ryobi would stack up about the same as it’s made in the same factory. I haven’t made the plunge yet on an electric chainsaw but might end up going with a cheap ryobi and roll the dice. You can get a 40V (36V) ryobi kit for about $200. That’s not too bad.
Ryobi absolutely sucks in comparison. Actually there is no comparison. The Milwaukee tools are in a different league.
project farm has a really good video comparison of electric saws
@@Overdose140 ryobi switch manufacturers so their quality of tool is increasing
My m18 chainsaw "killed" my 8ah and 12ah batteries. It drains them too fast for the BMS to keep up with balancing them, or the Super Charger charges them too fast for the BMS to keep up. I have a capacitored active balancer that I wire up to the 5 banks inside the batteries to re-balance them after they fail. That's usually how they fail. Only charge to 2-3 bars because they go out of balance.
Nice video. I did buy both....sort of. An Echo Timber Wolf last year and the Milwaukee last week. I couldn't pass up the Milwaukee deal at Home Depot: saw + 12ah + bonus 6ah for $499. I also have a lot of dead Ash tree cleanup!
What size file works best for the Milwaukee thanks 👍
I’m sure one could find a 20” bar that would fit on it.
Might try going to a specialist and try some
Last summer I bought a Milwaukee cordless weed eater with two M18 9.0 ah batteries and they both over heated and will not charge any more.
I sent an email to Milwaukee about replacing them..
I too have the Milwaukee cordless chain saw and the Milwaukee cordless lawn mower and they came with the 12 ah batteries and they do just fine.
Just came across your review and I had the same problem as you had. 2 12amp ho batteries over heated and one 9amp battery over heated aswell, cutting fallen gumtree s after a storm (all batteries failed in 18 degrees Celsius).
All 3 batteries were useless and no warranty on the batteries as I use them for my business buffing cars.
And the amount of bar oil it uses on or just sitting when not in use.
Milwaukee make good tools but I think in my opinion the battery technology needs to get better as Dewalt have done with the flex volt.
Thank you. I appreciate feedback like this. It's helpful.
Have you had issues with the studs pulling out and not getting tight enough?
The bar studs have been fine. They have not pulled out. I am careful not to overtighten and I feel I can get them tight enough.
Did you ever try an Oregon or alternative bar?
Why wreck your batteries on. A supercharger?
Can't you put an 18" Oregon bar on these? Just ordered this saw, how do you like it thus far?
Tried this one, had to return it because the mounting holes did not line up. amzn.to/2UHjOOy
@@bzeug Interesting
Great review thanks, I bought one of these and put a Chinwaukee Battery in it from EBay and it did at least do ONE cut :) My regular batteries seem OK but yea I feel they might not do to well if I tried to use this for everything. Good saw regardless, I really like it, but like any tool a bit of common sense use, goes a long way.
The 2826 and the 2727 both will kill batteries if you overload them and don’t wait long enough so I just swap if it times out don’t fall into the temptation of making just one more cut, change the battery or you’re gonna ruin it…I’m glad others have noticed this odd sequence of events as I’ve only seen talked to 3 or 4 people now half are climbing arborists that have experienced this, what is weird about it tho is the voltage was still at 18.5v so it wasn’t below the low-voltage cut off I’d hope and The cell strings were not out of balance. I think it drew too much current and Fried a component on the board or something, nothing looks burnt or visibly damaged, but I’m not going to rip it apart and ruin my warranty however I just don’t know what else could’ve happened is no these chainsaws will kill batteries for a fact, especially the 8 & 9 ah batteries the 6 (identical footprint as the 8 ) not so much an will work for like 20 30 cuts that’s a guess I’ll check tho this week how many I get on an xc6.0…. That’s just my two pennies take it with a grain of salt. I’m no expert.
I like your style of reviews *new subscriber
I didn’t hear a thing after he wiped his hands for the 3rd time. I hope he liked the saw.
Well done, GREAT real-world longevity information. Quality work, thank you.
Thanks for your review! Awesome
My saw fried my HD12 battery in about 50 charges. Unfortunately I missed my warranty period.
Was considering one of these to toss in my camping gear as I already have a pile of the xc 4.0 batteries. But now I'm concerned about ruining them. Would only be used for really small cuts just a few times a month. Maybe if I swap to a very short bar with a high quality chain?
I would also be concerned about ruining those batteries. Although I can't backup the claim with proof, I believe this saw can over drive/over heat a battery and shorten its life. Stick with the high output batteries in this tool.
I think it is a battery killer, I love the chainsaw but my HD12 battery died and I didn't use my chainsaw like you used yours. I was past my warranty and Milwaukee Service Depot didn't want to replace it so very disappointed. The HD12 here in Canada are $298-$398 depends where you shop. Great video
You called Milwaukee about the battery issue and they didn't ask u for receipts for the tool or battery before they sent u out a replacement battery?
They ask for serial number off of battery. They ask for name and address. Did not ask for receipt or any sales info at all. I think the reason is, since the 12ah batteries have not even been on the market for 5 years, they assume it is covered by the 5 year warranty.
Only buy HIGH OUTPUT Milwaukee batteries - 3.0, 5.5, 8.0, 12.0. All 21700s and higher amp rated.
what's the difference between the 121B and 131B?
Great honest review thank you for your efforts.
My M18 just died after 2.5 years. Not much info on what to do--no matter what fresh battery I put it, pull the trigger, nothing, dead
Sounds like you got yourself a dud on the Milwaukee. I’m a lineman for a utility and we’ve had 4 of these saws for the last 2 years. Used and abused daily. Pleasantly surprised none of them leak a drop of bar oil. We mainly use 12Amp Hour batteries but some 9ah and occasionally 5ah batteries get thrown in the saws. Never had a battery malfunction. We love the Milwaukee saws and rarely use the Stihl ms180 saws we also keep on the truck. Only con we have on the Milwaukee is the bars are junk and will get bent easily
5ah regular XC batteries? I bought this saw for cutting firewood from fallen trees for camping and don’t want to spend 150-300 on HO batteries for it
This saw is perfect for me as I'm only cutting 6 inch logs down to fit in my burner. My next purchase.
I have been trying to narrow down, the idea of going electric.
Thanks for the insights.
As torque goes, electric wins across the rpm band.
In fact BEWARE kevlar may not protect you.
I like the way mine leaks bar oil everywhere.
Great long time use review! For home improvement get the Milwaukee for lumberjack get the gas one 😂
Hey there Mr. Bzeug. If you ever have any interest in fixing your milwaukee batteries that read fully charged at 3 bars, there is a couple tricks to making them work like new again. I'd be happy to share them with you. I'll watch for a reply!
I'm curious. You can email me at bzeug.yt@outlook.com
Wait so you just junk the chain instead of sharpening?
How often you sharpen the chain?
Last time I sharpened a chain was about 15 years ago. Don't worry, I'll save those six chains and sharpen them.
@@bzeug 🤡
6 new chains in 2 or 3 years of use? I sharpen my chain every 30 minutes of cutting.
I’m going to guess that your overheating batteries are from sawing with dull chains. Never greasing the front sprocket probably contributes as well.
Great review, helps alot
I don’t believe the 9 amp batteries were designed to be used in the chainsaw. They’re utilizing the older 18650 batteries. My recommendation would have been the 8 amp HO or 12 amp HO batteries, which are utilizing the 21700 cells. Which are optimized for the table saw, miter saw, chain saw, etc…
great stealth mode saw
bruh sharpen your chains lol. you dont have to buy a new one every time they go dull makes me question how you were using the saw
Anyone run the 5.0 batteries? How long do they last?
5ah non HO will overheat pretty quickly. I recommend only using HO in the chainsaw.
The bar and chain on the Milwaukee are really flimsy compared to a normal gas powered chain saw, not surprised it bent/split.
I think the m18 chainsaw would have been more reliable if it was a dual battery 36v instead of 18v.
Great review 👍 Any tool hauls in the near future?
Thank you. I have a pile of stuff to review. Been so busy.
Solar vs gasoline...works 4 me!!!🌞😍
I’ve been using Milwaukee power tools since 2015, I’m an automotive mechanic. I still have all the tools I started buying in 2015 and the batteries even still work. I wish that I didn’t buy a gas powered weed wacker, blower and chain saw I would much rather have the Milwaukee stuff. My gas powered stuff is the brand echo and the backpack blower broke down after a year it needed a new carburetor and I only had about 4 hours run Time on and to get it fixed Uber warranty is a pain in the ass because Home Depot won’t exchange it because gas was in the tank so u have to bring it to a place that services them which is 30 min drive they said it would be 3 weeks before they look at it and then depending on if they have the parts a week minimum to repair it. I told them look I own a auto repair shop so I know engines the blower needs a carburetor, they said well we don’t have one in stock and I said well I called yesterday with the part number and you said you had a bunch of them in stock and in 3-4 weeks we will have snow on the ground so I really need my blower fixed so I can clean my leaves up it’s really all I use it for, I have tools in my truck can I take the carburetor off my blower in my truck so I can give u the old broken part and give me the new one and I’ll give you my information and sign a receipt so you guys can still get paid for the warranty job, I have the receipt from Home Depot when I bought it so you can make ur money on the warranty job and you don’t even need to do anything just give me the part, they refused tolerate me do that which I completely understand but u know I do own a auto repair shop so it’s not like I’m some average customer I can fix it but again I understand why they said no just kinda shitty that they had the part in stock, it’s literally 2 bolts it takes 1 minute to change the carburetor I mean the time I wasted talking to the guy it could have been fixed and I would have been home by then. They said you can leave it or buy a new carburetor for 120 bucks plus tax lol. I’m not paying 120 for it seeing how I paid 400 bucks for it brand new less then a year ago so I bought an aftermarket carburetor for 20 bucks from ebay which was a better carburetor that actually has low and high speed adjustments so it actually runs better then new. I’m not mad that they wouldn’t supply me with a warranty carburetor so I can fix it myself that’s just now how you do things but they could see that my blower was literally like brand new no scratches on it or anything and it was late in the season I just needed it, if that was one of my customers I would have taken the 5 minutes to just fix it quick, I could understand if it was a big job but it’s literally a 5 minute fix, if one of his guys was taking a cigarette break they could have fixed it before the cigarette was done. Now any time I need a Milwaukee tool or battery warrantied I go on their website, print off a free shipping label, sent it out and I have my tool back in one week Milwaukee makes warranty’s absolutely hassle free nobody does that and to top it off their power tools are cheaper than another comparable tool, more powerful and better battery life.
I can’t believe I just read this whole thing
As far as Milwaukee batteries the 21700 cells are the wat to go for all battery needs . That would be the 3.0 the 8.0. Then 12.0. I will Never buy or use a 18650 battery again.
Why does he continually wipe his hands with a shop towel?
Can I buy a few of those batteries 😀
Thanks for sharing 👍
Man it’s no secret that Milwaukee has a battery issue. They’re warranty process is great and they stand by they’re product. But they really need to work on the battery construction. My m18 impact has destroyed every battery I have 🤦♂️
Buy Both! Love it! :)
Honestly Idc what critiques this chainsaw has This chainsaw Wasn't meant for "Extremely heavy hauling and Cutting through Suoer thick pieces of wood" This was more meant for lighter Cutting work.
I believe that you want to only use high output batteries with this tool. Would not use anything under 6 Ah.
I'm not seeing wear that's caused by design flaw.... more like improper use
No experience with the saw yet but Milwaukee had issues with the 9.0ah batteries unrelated to what tool they were in. Typical top notch customer service it sounds like which is what Milwaukee is known for. Good video! Thanks Milwaukee for continuing to make bada$$ tools!
Learn how to sharpen ur chain. Cuting with a dull chain puts a ton of stress on either machine
Will it kil your battery, no, not as long as you use a $300 12ah battery, once again a $300 battery
That’s like $1000 dollars in batteries
Thanks for reminding me. Yes those M18 batteries add up fast. All my batteries were bought in kits with some kind of discount, such as Acme Tool Sale 15% off, or HomeDepot Credit Card offer of 10% off (sometimes more).
Guy hates a little dirt on his hands it's good for you different times we live in
Those 9 amp hour packs were a bad design. Since then Milwaukee quit even making them and they'd give you an 8 ah pack if you'd warranty a 9.
i like your review style becos U R detailed - unlike other reviewers who only talk marketing features but do not discuss design problems / reliability issues. Keep it up.
Concerning electronic vs petrol engines & ability to leave electronic chainsaw unused for long time.
In reality, electrical components do fail over time - even when unused. Eg is capacitors which absorb humidity & this is no good for them. In some mission critical systems - like train control radio systems - the spares eqpt habe to be kept in temp controlled rooms & some ate even kept powered up to keep components warm @ constant temp. Otherwise, this obviously is extreme op mode but illustrates the point.
I wonder what causes the leak! i have this milwaukee and the smaller chain with the extension attachment that also leaks like crazy where ever i set it!
12.0 in all milwaulkee big tools gets you the best performance...
Well if you wipe your fingers just one more time plz
Thanks for pointing out the design flaw. This flaw is absolute sh*t and a deal breaker.