Hey Brother. Keep holding these companies accountable. There's no way there should be a 21fps difference in speeds. Even the 10fps you graciously give the companies is almost too much in my opinion. To me, if the bow is in spec, it should be within 5fps. Allowing for the variations in chronographs. There's no reason a bow should leave the factory without being in spec and shooting the advertised speeds. Thanks again for another awesome review.
@toddlymburner5783 Hello. Yeah, I didn't understand that as well. Just because it's fast for that sized bow shouldn't matter in the advertised speed grade.
@@papaschuette it’s not overly fast 2 years ago the V3X 29 was shooting the same speeds given 1-2 fps. Still a good bow just not fast like they marketed it as
@toddlymburner5783 I'm looking g at one of those, a VXR 31.5, and a couple Phase 4's. I'm still looking though. I might even go with something other than a Mathews. But they're on my bucket list. Something 2020 and newer.
Been using prime for 8 years now and have owned the Ion and Logic CT3. Was skeptical after they moved away from the dual cam system but I think 3 years to get it right is plenty. Will probably pick up this bow or the 2025 next year.
I dont want to harp on it but it think its fair to bring up that while this bow deserved its low rating for speed. You gave the Mathews bow a 4 out of 5. And it was 15 fps slower than advertised but you gave it an extra 4 fps because of a mod that isnt even available yet. But you gave the elite that was 19 fps slow a 1.
@@kevinwiser2416 It’s always best to shoot any bow yourself due to subjectivity. I like watching reviews because you can’t find a shop that carries all offerings. I remember on Archery Talk several years ago when the Omen first came out, people were talking about that the draw was butter, and the best bow they ever shot. I shot it personally due to those raves. Result, tore my rotor cuff off its base on one of the worst drawing bows out there at the time. It literally had no valley and if you breathed while at full draw it would take off on you. It did me, and I have lived with a detached rotor cuff ever since. My shoulder was injured before that but the Omen finished the job
@@kevinwiser2416 I don't think that it is a blatant bias. That Mathews bow was really nice. It deserves some praise but that was an inconsistency that I noticed in the reviews. Thank goodness they changed the cams because they had the worst draw cycle of any bow I've ever touched. I agree that bow companies need to be more honest with their ibo speeds they all fudge the numbers no matter how many times they get called out.
@@kevinwiser2416 Mathews is by far a better company to work with than Prime: they provide more material and way faster than Prime. So for a shop is better to sell a Mathews (and leaves them more margin) than a Prime.
The lift 33 was 17 fps off "IBO". Also there was a half inch difference in reflex between this bow and the lift 33 and the lift got a 4 while the RVX got a 2. Matthews shill he has become.
Another great review. Speed seems way off. I'm curious what let off was used. For the Matthews Lift review you added 4 fps because you were using the 85% vs 80% mod. Was this Prime RVX set at 85%, and if so, how would that change if you dropped it down to 75%? I still doubt it would be within 10 fps of IBO, but it may be closer. Also, you keep bringing up that you don't understand the swerve in the lower riser being on the same side as the offset portion of the upper riser. Prime has been doing this for years and has clearly stated it's to mirror/balance out vibration between the top and bottom. I'm also not confident that putting the swerve on the other side of the bow would make it more balanced. If the offset weight above the grip is on the right and the offset weight below the hand is on the left, I could see the bow canting more to the right. You could say that lower/side-mount stabilizers are used to this effect, but stabilizers shouldn't be used to correct canting or other form issues; they're used to slow bow movement.
@@micahdunleavy9227 Would make sense from a business standpoint if Matthews brings in the most revenue for him. Just noticed he was also using a drop away arrow rest for his Lift review as well. Considering he uses whisker biscuit for most other bows, he should have subtracted 1-2 fps. So the Lift really got a 4 out of 5 for speed despite a measured speed that came in 18-19 fps low 😆
@@vfonte218 Hey, I agree that he gives honest reviews based on his experienced opinion (and he knows way more about bows than me)! I also think Matthews makes great bows. It still seems he is willing to fudge scores in one way or another, and it would be in his best interest to do that in a way that benefits his business. His scoring system is supposed to eliminate some subjectivity, but it could be improved. That's all.
Great detail, thanks for your honesty. Been shooting a prime for about 6 years now. Love the one I have, would like to get a new one but just can’t justify spending the money on one when the arrow speed will be the same as my 6 year old bow.
It's always the same with IBO speeds... That speed is tested for 82 lb bow, 400gn and the max DL, in this case 30.5" . If you adjust these values to ATA the speed would be around 328 fps so it's only 8 fps difference with published data. They lie? Yes, but not so much as you declare in your video. And you know it...
I get at 70lbs it was 21 fps off, but the peak draw weight is 80 and with the extra half an inch you would get closer to the 342 advertised. Also some of the other bows are being cut short when you don’t test them at full spec.
Love the reviews MFJJ, dont let the speed haters get to you, the way you do speed is relevant and informative so that we can see what bow is the fastest at a draw length sonce they all have varying maximum draw lengths, and my draw length doesnt change all that much
I think you need to evaluate your vibration meter. When it’s so different from shot to shot, bow to bow. As you said about this bow, how you could feel residue vibration that took a while to dissipate and it had a better rating on your meter than the Mathew’s Lift which you said was pretty dead in hand. When you used to do it by “feel” it was more accurate.
@@philiptweet5970 I think that having a wire hanging from the bow to the meter can transfer vibration. I appreciate the attempt on Josh’s part, but I trust his own judgment over the meter since it’s all over the board
watching these reviews makes you wonder what the point of even listing an IBO speed is... It seems to be entirely normal for bows to be 10-20 fps, or even more, lower than their listed speeds. And there doesn't seem to be any sort of consequences for that. When Mathews/Hoyt/Bowtech/PSE release a new bow and say it shoots 340 fps, but its actually more like 325, the folks who are going to buy those bows are still going to buy those bows regardless. People don't care that the listed IBO speed is a load of bologna, but those same people would be outraged at a new bow release if the manufacturer ACTUALLY had the stones to give a real world speed rating. A new bow that is listed at 340 but only shoots 325 will sell way better than a bow listed at 325 that shoots 325. Like he mentions in the video, I'm sure these brands basically put the bows in a "vacuum" environment to get these speeds, knowing full well customers don't, won't, and can't use them that way. You can take the bow and shoot it with no D-loop or peep, using an arrow with no fletchings, using a target style rest that has almost no contact points, using thinner strings, and put it thru a dozen different chronographs 100 different times and all they have to do is see one of them light up with 342 ONCE to be able to list the bow as 342.
You could see how disappointed he was after shooting those first 3 arrows through the chronograph😅 the bow looked pretty decent up to that point as well
Do they list ATA or IBO speed? Because ATA is 70# 30" 350gn. IBO is 80#, no DL limit and 5gn per pound arrow weight (so 400gn usually) Looked it up, it's IBO speed, so, there might be some discrepancy because they could have used longer draw lengths to get there, within the IBO rules.
With a 5gr per pound arrow, it shouldn't matter. 342 @ 400 grains and 80lbs is the same as 342 @ 350 grains and 70 lbs The max draw listed for the bow is 30.5" an extra .5" isn't going to get you 20fps
It is, but those arrows are calibrated from Berger hole. Not all bows have a place on the bow to take a measurement from that's 1¾" infront of the Berger hole.
For the love of God man, test them using IBO guidelines if you are going to shit on them for not meeting their advertised IBO speed. I get what you are doing. ATA is the realistic speed guideline, but they don't use that. Also, don't think we didn't notice the hawk tuah you gave that Lift 33. 17 fps off "IBO" and it gets a 4. There was a half inch difference in reflex between the Lift 33 and this bow and you gave the Mathews a 4.
Thought I had found “the bow” with my Revex 34…. Until I put on a jacket. Nothing you can do will stop the cables from touching the sleeve. They are just way too close to the riser! Being MFJJ I thought you’d point out this huge design flaw? Of course Prime fan boys say it’s me. Shopping for a bow now I can actually take hunting while wearing clothes!!
No. 2lbs wont gain 23fps and not only that once those strings stretch they will probably draw closer to 70lbs anyways. New bows often draw over peak weight till those strings and cables settle in a bit.
6 years later and they still haven’t made a bow that performs in terms of speed like the Centergy Hybrid. 338 IBO rating and it spits 485gr arrows at 285
Big time flaw in the prime bow my buddy pointed out, he has last years 34, problem is the cables are way to close to your wrist, ok if you never hunt cold but if you do this bow doesn't work
@@gudgud ATA speed measutement is 70 pound, 30" drawlength and 350 grain (5 grain per pound) arrow. IBO measurements are 80 pound (plus or minus 2#) no drawlength specs and a 5 grain per pound arrow (400 gn at 80#). Longer draw means more speed, but if they used like 31,5" they are fair by at least saying they are using IBO not ATA. Looked up the specs though, seems the bow only goes up to 30,5" that half inch will probably gain them about 3-5 feet. Still a huge discrepancy.
@@Rikceysame as Mathews tho they both have mods for let off, and both ship with high letoff. He even mentions it while giving grace to the Mathews but not the Prime. I bet an Ibo test at 82 lbs low let off and 400 gn would get inside of that 10 fps, as well as not using a whisker biscuit which are good for at least 5 fps.
I’m confused why you gave a bow that’s 23 fps off it’s advertised speed a 1, but a bow that’s 13fps off a 4? This is so arbitrary and appears to be biased. Maybe have a written rating system like 10 to 13 is a 4, 14 to 17 is a 3, 18 to 20 is a 2 and 20 plus is a 1. Plus you should set the bows to a true 30” when testing, rather than leaving them at 30 1/4 or 30 1/2. That way we get the real speed! I’m just as critical as Josh. Ha
I'll be frank: I care less about their honesty, and more about the actual speeds! I love a smooth draw, but this thing is slow and the reflex is pretty high at 2.5".
The Mathews was 15fps off if I remember correctly. That souldnt have gotten a 4. 2 at best..... For me....speed isnt as important as stability & draw cycle. My Revex barely moves when on the target.
I do not understand why you keep dinging bows for not hitting the IBO speed when you aren’t testing it using the poundage, draw length, and arrow weight used for their posted IBO numbers… You continually compare apples to oranges and act surprised… It makes no sense
@@x602x The International Bowhunters Organization and Archery Trade Association use specific formulas to measure arrow speeds. IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- .2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow. He keeps comparing his ATA speeds to IBO speeds which doesn’t make sense.
70 lbs and a 350 grain arrow is the same as 80lbs and a 400 grain arrow, the only thing that's not IBO is draw length. Also he uses the same test for each bow so it's fair for comparing all the bows to each other, some bows don't come in 80lb weights, but by using 5gr per pound for lower bows it's the same result.
Hey Brother. Keep holding these companies accountable. There's no way there should be a 21fps difference in speeds. Even the 10fps you graciously give the companies is almost too much in my opinion. To me, if the bow is in spec, it should be within 5fps. Allowing for the variations in chronographs. There's no reason a bow should leave the factory without being in spec and shooting the advertised speeds. Thanks again for another awesome review.
Mathews was 15 FPS slow and he gave it a 4/5
@toddlymburner5783 Hello. Yeah, I didn't understand that as well. Just because it's fast for that sized bow shouldn't matter in the advertised speed grade.
@@papaschuette it’s not overly fast 2 years ago the V3X 29 was shooting the same speeds given 1-2 fps. Still a good bow just not fast like they marketed it as
@toddlymburner5783 I'm looking g at one of those, a VXR 31.5, and a couple Phase 4's. I'm still looking though. I might even go with something other than a Mathews. But they're on my bucket list. Something 2020 and newer.
@@papaschuette best bang for your buck in my opinion is a V3X. Have you tried the Hoyts. Last years VTM’s are great. Either company is great
It would also be nice if a 34” ATA bow went out to 31”-32” draw length range. Another Great review MFJJ. Thanks
Been using prime for 8 years now and have owned the Ion and Logic CT3. Was skeptical after they moved away from the dual cam system but I think 3 years to get it right is plenty. Will probably pick up this bow or the 2025 next year.
Great reviews! Treats every company the same. His process is well thought out and fair.
you give this one a 2 for reflex, not that that even matters but you give another with a 2 of the same size a 4.
I dont want to harp on it but it think its fair to bring up that while this bow deserved its low rating for speed. You gave the Mathews bow a 4 out of 5. And it was 15 fps slower than advertised but you gave it an extra 4 fps because of a mod that isnt even available yet. But you gave the elite that was 19 fps slow a 1.
I noticed the same thing…
@@kevinwiser2416 It’s always best to shoot any bow yourself due to subjectivity. I like watching reviews because you can’t find a shop that carries all offerings. I remember on Archery Talk several years ago when the Omen first came out, people were talking about that the draw was butter, and the best bow they ever shot. I shot it personally due to those raves. Result, tore my rotor cuff off its base on one of the worst drawing bows out there at the time. It literally had no valley and if you breathed while at full draw it would take off on you. It did me, and I have lived with a detached rotor cuff ever since. My shoulder was injured before that but the Omen finished the job
@@kevinwiser2416 I don't think that it is a blatant bias. That Mathews bow was really nice. It deserves some praise but that was an inconsistency that I noticed in the reviews. Thank goodness they changed the cams because they had the worst draw cycle of any bow I've ever touched. I agree that bow companies need to be more honest with their ibo speeds they all fudge the numbers no matter how many times they get called out.
@@kevinwiser2416 Mathews is by far a better company to work with than Prime: they provide more material and way faster than Prime. So for a shop is better to sell a Mathews (and leaves them more margin) than a Prime.
The lift 33 was 17 fps off "IBO". Also there was a half inch difference in reflex between this bow and the lift 33 and the lift got a 4 while the RVX got a 2. Matthews shill he has become.
Another great review. Speed seems way off. I'm curious what let off was used. For the Matthews Lift review you added 4 fps because you were using the 85% vs 80% mod. Was this Prime RVX set at 85%, and if so, how would that change if you dropped it down to 75%? I still doubt it would be within 10 fps of IBO, but it may be closer. Also, you keep bringing up that you don't understand the swerve in the lower riser being on the same side as the offset portion of the upper riser. Prime has been doing this for years and has clearly stated it's to mirror/balance out vibration between the top and bottom. I'm also not confident that putting the swerve on the other side of the bow would make it more balanced. If the offset weight above the grip is on the right and the offset weight below the hand is on the left, I could see the bow canting more to the right. You could say that lower/side-mount stabilizers are used to this effect, but stabilizers shouldn't be used to correct canting or other form issues; they're used to slow bow movement.
He’s always going to give Mathew’s a boost… Pretty sure him and elk shape are in the big M’s pockets..
@@micahdunleavy9227 Would make sense from a business standpoint if Matthews brings in the most revenue for him. Just noticed he was also using a drop away arrow rest for his Lift review as well. Considering he uses whisker biscuit for most other bows, he should have subtracted 1-2 fps. So the Lift really got a 4 out of 5 for speed despite a measured speed that came in 18-19 fps low 😆
@@micahdunleavy9227 you guys Crack me up. He gives honest reviews you just don't like Mathews for whatever reason.
@@vfonte218 Hey, I agree that he gives honest reviews based on his experienced opinion (and he knows way more about bows than me)! I also think Matthews makes great bows. It still seems he is willing to fudge scores in one way or another, and it would be in his best interest to do that in a way that benefits his business. His scoring system is supposed to eliminate some subjectivity, but it could be improved. That's all.
Great detail, thanks for your honesty. Been shooting a prime for about 6 years now. Love the one I have, would like to get a new one but just can’t justify spending the money on one when the arrow speed will be the same as my 6 year old bow.
Great looking bow, riser pretty decent looking. Speed may be spot on for price. Excellent features.
Are you too close to the chrono? Looks like the arrow would still be on the string when it first enters it.
It's always the same with IBO speeds... That speed is tested for 82 lb bow, 400gn and the max DL, in this case 30.5" . If you adjust these values to ATA the speed would be around 328 fps so it's only 8 fps difference with published data. They lie? Yes, but not so much as you declare in your video. And you know it...
Exactly, he tests using ATA guidelines and then shits on them for not meeting the speed.
Its apparent that these bow manufacturers can publish whatever they want for speed just to sell a bow.
They flaw is that people like MfJJ will expose them and now there is no trust
Don't let Joel Maxfield hear that, he gets angry when you imply people in the industry lie.
@@Angel.CustodioWell he will smooth it over for Mathew’s then be hyper critical of every other manufacturer..
I get at 70lbs it was 21 fps off, but the peak draw weight is 80 and with the extra half an inch you would get closer to the 342 advertised. Also some of the other bows are being cut short when you don’t test them at full spec.
Holy Crap have you been pumping out the videos!
Love the reviews MFJJ, dont let the speed haters get to you, the way you do speed is relevant and informative so that we can see what bow is the fastest at a draw length sonce they all have varying maximum draw lengths, and my draw length doesnt change all that much
At 1:20 in the Revex 4 video a 2 3/8" reflex was ok. Here, a 2" reflex is not. Thats odd due to them being almost identical risers.
These Primes are a great shooting bows!!
Do the Xpedition Xlite!
I think you need to evaluate your vibration meter. When it’s so different from shot to shot, bow to bow. As you said about this bow, how you could feel residue vibration that took a while to dissipate and it had a better rating on your meter than the Mathew’s Lift which you said was pretty dead in hand. When you used to do it by “feel” it was more accurate.
It measures the largest spike in acceleration, not the ringing after the shot.
@@philiptweet5970 I think that having a wire hanging from the bow to the meter can transfer vibration. I appreciate the attempt on Josh’s part, but I trust his own judgment over the meter since it’s all over the board
watching these reviews makes you wonder what the point of even listing an IBO speed is... It seems to be entirely normal for bows to be 10-20 fps, or even more, lower than their listed speeds. And there doesn't seem to be any sort of consequences for that. When Mathews/Hoyt/Bowtech/PSE release a new bow and say it shoots 340 fps, but its actually more like 325, the folks who are going to buy those bows are still going to buy those bows regardless. People don't care that the listed IBO speed is a load of bologna, but those same people would be outraged at a new bow release if the manufacturer ACTUALLY had the stones to give a real world speed rating. A new bow that is listed at 340 but only shoots 325 will sell way better than a bow listed at 325 that shoots 325.
Like he mentions in the video, I'm sure these brands basically put the bows in a "vacuum" environment to get these speeds, knowing full well customers don't, won't, and can't use them that way. You can take the bow and shoot it with no D-loop or peep, using an arrow with no fletchings, using a target style rest that has almost no contact points, using thinner strings, and put it thru a dozen different chronographs 100 different times and all they have to do is see one of them light up with 342 ONCE to be able to list the bow as 342.
weird that other people are getting faster speeds than yours, idk if it's your setup or maybe the draw length and poundage.
How does the draw cycle compare to bowtechs ss34. Want to shoot it in person but the closest prime dealer is almost 2hrs away
So biased on the speed. I just watched the Mathews vid and this was only off by a tiny bit more, and Mathews got a 5?? Crazy.
I think that would make a good bow to use for 3d shooting if you don't want a true target bow
I would like to try to learn how to make bow strings for some work at home.
You could see how disappointed he was after shooting those first 3 arrows through the chronograph😅 the bow looked pretty decent up to that point as well
What brand is that bow vice?? Looks awesome.
Great reviews mate
Do they list ATA or IBO speed? Because ATA is 70# 30" 350gn. IBO is 80#, no DL limit and 5gn per pound arrow weight (so 400gn usually)
Looked it up, it's IBO speed, so, there might be some discrepancy because they could have used longer draw lengths to get there, within the IBO rules.
Matthew's is ibo Lil bishes. I want real numbers anyway.
@craighunt1628 IBO is the bad measurement for 'real' speed.
With a 5gr per pound arrow, it shouldn't matter.
342 @ 400 grains and 80lbs is the same as 342 @ 350 grains and 70 lbs
The max draw listed for the bow is 30.5" an extra .5" isn't going to get you 20fps
@@josephr1198take any calculator, 10 pounds is worth more than 50gn costs.
@@Rikcey open the calculator on your phone
Type 70*5
Then take 80*5
The ibo standard is 5 grains per lb
I'm surprised on the speed. My 80 lb revex 4 set at 75.1 is pushing a 500 grain vap at 294 fps average which on paper calculates to be right on ibo.
MFJJ keeping it real!
I thought draw length measurement was taken to the throat of the grip plus 1.75". Why is it suddenly to the Berger hole?
It is, but those arrows are calibrated from Berger hole. Not all bows have a place on the bow to take a measurement from that's 1¾" infront of the Berger hole.
For the love of God man, test them using IBO guidelines if you are going to shit on them for not meeting their advertised IBO speed. I get what you are doing. ATA is the realistic speed guideline, but they don't use that. Also, don't think we didn't notice the hawk tuah you gave that Lift 33. 17 fps off "IBO" and it gets a 4. There was a half inch difference in reflex between the Lift 33 and this bow and you gave the Mathews a 4.
Thought I had found “the bow” with my Revex 34…. Until I put on a jacket. Nothing you can do will stop the cables from touching the sleeve. They are just way too close to the riser!
Being MFJJ I thought you’d point out this huge design flaw?
Of course Prime fan boys say it’s me.
Shopping for a bow now I can actually take hunting while wearing clothes!!
I paused at 6:33, wow this is terrible, prime needs to fix this
Love the bow reviews MFJJ. I gave prime crap in person for that speed being that slow at the ATA show. It drives me nuts
What was their reply?
Do you think if you cranked the weight down to max weight would these bows shoot the ibo speed they claim?
No. 2lbs wont gain 23fps and not only that once those strings stretch they will probably draw closer to 70lbs anyways. New bows often draw over peak weight till those strings and cables settle in a bit.
6 years later and they still haven’t made a bow that performs in terms of speed like the Centergy Hybrid. 338 IBO rating and it spits 485gr arrows at 285
Big time flaw in the prime bow my buddy pointed out, he has last years 34, problem is the cables are way to close to your wrist, ok if you never hunt cold but if you do this bow doesn't work
Are you saying that one would get string slap if you had a heavy coat on?
20+ fps discrepancy is wild. Excited for the Bears 🤘🏾
342 IBO isn't 342 ATA (which is how MFJJ tests)
@@Rikcey pls explain what this means I’m new to archery
@@gudgud ATA speed measutement is 70 pound, 30" drawlength and 350 grain (5 grain per pound) arrow. IBO measurements are 80 pound (plus or minus 2#) no drawlength specs and a 5 grain per pound arrow (400 gn at 80#). Longer draw means more speed, but if they used like 31,5" they are fair by at least saying they are using IBO not ATA.
Looked up the specs though, seems the bow only goes up to 30,5" that half inch will probably gain them about 3-5 feet. Still a huge discrepancy.
@@Rikceysame as Mathews tho they both have mods for let off, and both ship with high letoff. He even mentions it while giving grace to the Mathews but not the Prime. I bet an Ibo test at 82 lbs low let off and 400 gn would get inside of that 10 fps, as well as not using a whisker biscuit which are good for at least 5 fps.
@@the_sharp_carpenter he uses a bisquit for all how's though. That's consistent.
Funny how fanboys get bent out of ahape. Watch the video it is what it is....bow companies have been lying about speed 4 ever.
I made a comment which has been deleted not good for trancperacy.LOOSING a bit of cofidence in this site.
I’m confused why you gave a bow that’s 23 fps off it’s advertised speed a 1, but a bow that’s 13fps off a 4? This is so arbitrary and appears to be biased. Maybe have a written rating system like 10 to 13 is a 4, 14 to 17 is a 3, 18 to 20 is a 2 and 20 plus is a 1. Plus you should set the bows to a true 30” when testing, rather than leaving them at 30 1/4 or 30 1/2. That way we get the real speed! I’m just as critical as Josh. Ha
I'll be frank: I care less about their honesty, and more about the actual speeds! I love a smooth draw, but this thing is slow and the reflex is pretty high at 2.5".
Give them a zero for speed, that's really bad...
The Mathews was 15fps off if I remember correctly. That souldnt have gotten a 4. 2 at best..... For me....speed isnt as important as stability & draw cycle. My Revex barely moves when on the target.
Paused the video at 6:33, cables are touching his bare arm ffs, terrible, wow
I do not understand why you keep dinging bows for not hitting the IBO speed when you aren’t testing it using the poundage, draw length, and arrow weight used for their posted IBO numbers…
You continually compare apples to oranges and act surprised… It makes no sense
What did they use to get their numbers? Is that published somewhere?
@@x602x The International Bowhunters Organization and Archery Trade Association use specific formulas to measure arrow speeds. IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- .2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow.
He keeps comparing his ATA speeds to IBO speeds which doesn’t make sense.
70 lbs and a 350 grain arrow is the same as 80lbs and a 400 grain arrow, the only thing that's not IBO is draw length.
Also he uses the same test for each bow so it's fair for comparing all the bows to each other, some bows don't come in 80lb weights, but by using 5gr per pound for lower bows it's the same result.
@@josephr1198 Yeah so he is using entirely different ways to measure speed than the manufacturer...
@@SlipAndFallFlyFishing yea, he was short a half inch and didn't add 2lbs to the draw. Is that 20FPS of a difference?
(The answer is no)
that slow its only worth 1000 canadian
Bow company's running out of ideas making junk
So the slowest bow this year not impressed! Be a good 3D bow but that’s about it!
How long have you been doing this and you don’t know how to shoot through a chrono🫤
Prime is going backwards