I remember watching him help that young lady choose a new bow and they kept her from knowing the brand names to keep it unbiased for her but the majority of the video she was preferring the Hoyt and he tried the whole video to persuade her to choose the Mathews with subtle comments sprinkled in here or there😂
Maybe I missed it somewhere and if I did let me know. Love watching your bow reviews even if I'm not in the market for one to just see what people came out with for the year. Would it be possible on these bow videos that when the news ones drop you put up a master list at the end of the video to show what the bows rank against the others. Thanks and keep up the awesome reviews!
@@joecrocker794cmon bro that’s not exactly asking too much it’s a valid point and would be nice to see and would add value and cohesiveness to his reviews
I went and shot both today and I agree! I love that new color! Hoyt did an awesome job this year. I have an rx7... don't really see a big enough difference for me to upgrade but it's definitely slight improvement on a bow I didn't think could be improved!
I agree about carbon vs aluminum. I shot a bunch of bows when looking for a new bow this year and the RX7 is what I ended up with, just an easier/smoother draw cycle
Let's just take a moment to appreciate Josh being on his knees really warming up the foreplay at the start of the review. Jokes aside good stuff man, thanks for what ya do
FMJJ You rock buddy. You really gave me some good information on these new Hoyt bows that I have been waiting for. I currently shoot a RX-1 or I am definitely on to my pro shop and order up the RX-8 sick review Josh keep up the killer work!!!
I shoot an RX-1 also still! And im reallyyy considering a phase 4-29 due to how long the riser is otherwise id be longer ATA for sure at 29.5”+ draw. But the new Bowtech’s reallyyy are hard not to gravitate towards with all the great features now. The mathews are also price gouging with all their patented high priced stabilizer, quiver and compatible sight bar too
I’m not bagging on your reviews but your second shot with the rx8 on the vibration was 6 something. The camera was on the reader and when you shot that was the number and when you moved it went to 12. I think you may want to record the reader at the shot and then review the footage for the number. May give you different reading on those bows you thought read high and felt great.
The new Bows really give me the vibe of a refined version of the Hoyt Axius Alpha series. Also Hoyt listened to me on IG when I said that they needed to bring back the grey risers
I think the vibration was actually fairly high and he left the bottom stabilizer on with the Carbon and did NOT have the lower stabilizer on with the aluminum riser Alpha. I think Carbon tends to vibrate more....
I've felt the same thing with the carbon/aluminum. I think it's the difference in brace heights. Last year there was a slight difference in lengths. I wonder if that's a contributing factor.
It’s interesting that the carbon feels easier to you…I’ve worked in a pro shop for a year and a half, and I’ve always thought the aluminums pulled easier than the carbon. Really interesting.
The things I look at when I go to buy a bow are.1 price. 2 adjustability. 3 speed. 4 comfort and comfort to me is the Backwall. I currently own a 2018 bear divergent 28 and 2020 bear status eko. I've been in every year to see the new bows and shoot them but I never commit to buying one I just get new strings and cables made.
Awesome review MFJJ! You probably mentioned it and I missed it, but what were your opinions on the Let off "footer" having a hard and Extra Hard backwall setting/option?
Been looking forward to these releases as I'm due a new bow. Was excited when I read the specs for the RX8 Ultra, then I saw the price and my stomach started to hurt 😢
MFJJ also said in another video that Hoyts were one of the most accurate bows, or the most accurate, I can't remember exactly. I know the reflex measurement is more geared towards forgiveness, and accuracy and forgiveness aren't necessarily the same thing. I just found it interesting.
Would it make sense to check poundage before physical bow measurements? Ignorant question, maybe, but I didn't known if ATA, brace height, etc could change with the limb bolt settings.
For me I shot these back to back today and the alpha x had just the Slightest hand feel to me compared to the rx8 which was just dead in the hand . So for my money I'm going with the rx8 ultra was super impressive just a absolute joy to shoot
Does the aluminum bow offer flex where the carbon doesn’t? I’ve felt that before, and went the the rx7. Seems like there’s some “power loss” on the draw for aluminum flexing more and the carbon transferring everything without flexing.
Hey Brother. If I would've watched this video first, my comment on the 33in version video is pretty much null and void now. Now I can see the results of an axle to axle length more to my liking. Thank you. I still like the looks of it.
Was i hearing the faint click of possibly the Stan thumb clicker? Growing on you? Just got mine in the mail from you today.....thanks JJ for all these vids
This is the downside lol. I swore I wouldn’t buy carbon again cause it didn’t seem worth it. But after going back to aluminum, it feels so much heavier and draws different. Plenty of time to go shoot and test between now and Jan/Feb. lol prepare my wallet
Going through these comments & for the life of me I can never figure why there isn't at least one guy piping up how these new bows are nice but he's gonna go ahead & stick with his Pearson Spoiler for another year. 😏
Didn't hear if you mentioned the new color, I like the new color much better than the previous years although it looks like a Mathews now it still is a much better option.
Love your reviews!!! I got my Alpha X 2 weeks ago after shooting it and the new lift and absolutely loved the Hoyt . I have one question though you did the speed test with a wisker bisket and we all know that loses speed. worst of all you used a fall way rest on the Mathews, should you not do all tests with the same arrow rest to have an actual fair comparison??? Or add the additional 3-4 fps loss to the speeds.
I am wondering if it has something to do with riser flex. The different materials (carbon / aluminum), I am sure, flex differently. Could that be influencing the "feel" of the pull? Just a thought.
Great video. Can we get Lift 29 vs RX8 30 at 80lb? Cannot find any videos with 80lb speed tests! Crazy! All RUclips videos make them head to head with 70lb and no 80lb review. I think more people are looking to use 80 than reviewers realize.
It would be cool if you added one other test for the guys like shorter guys like Dan@Elkshape. 27" to 28' draw with the bow max out and twisted up above speck with a 480g arrow or whatever weight is common for hunting... Or just make Dan be your shorter draw height poundage monkey tester lol. Looks to be solid bows this year from Hoyt.
Quick question on your review process - why don't you include a category for "quietness"? Love the way you do the objective and subjective scoring model. Gives the viewer something more tangible and organized to consider when making a decision.
3 Days ago @ our local range a friend who just back to archery after a 20 yr lay off… anyways he picked up a fully loaded rx8 shot it for 3 months no glitches 👌🏾however 3 days ago ? While we both were practicing at 70 I saw him take a last shot then we took a short 5 minute break..well after the break we went back to shooting however when he went to draw his bow? He noticed the string was slacked and twisted on the top cam… After closer inspection the top cam mod screw sheered off causing loosening twisting of both mods binding on the top and bottom limbs…. 🤫🤔my buddy never once dry fired the bow and was using correct spined 340 arrow arrow @ 70 lbs 420 grains🤷♂️true story in 6/12/24
over 2 grand for a warmer hand lol cause the carbon weighs as much as the others screw that they can keep it the alpha seems sweet I will wait for Mathews to drop before I go to the shop thx for the video on there web page it shows 2049 for the carbon and 1349 and 1449 for the alpha
You know what I think? Huh? Do ya??? Well let me tell ya! I think MFJJ is the bomb! Great reviews. Keep them coming. I’ve always owned a Mathews but have been seriously considering Hoyt/Elite/Bowtech for my next bow.
So is the carbon RX8 going to be $3,000 this year? And the aluminum one has to be at least 1500. These bow companies need to get their prices in check. We all know archery equipment does not hold value like a gun does. And all they do is minimal changes every year. Driving me nuts! Anybody else sick of the prices?
Can someone explain why reflex is an issue? Ive never heard of it being addressed until i started watching these review videos a month or so ago. Even other reviews I've seen, it isn't mentioned. He says forgiveness, but what makes it unforgiving? Thanks in advance!
100% you use the spacers the first time to adjust the cam and you shouldn’t need to do that again. That’s why I’m so puzzled who some people rate tuning tech so highly.
@@toddlymburner5783 Because he works in a shop and the faster it is the more work ($$$) they can crank out. Or if tune is included in the free setup its less labor cost sunk on a new bow sale
The carbon rizer must be flexing, or Hoyts using different limbs on there carbon bows, and aren't saying they are. Check the cams and mods for differences, flat spots ect...
Noticed the same different in carbon vs aluminum. Carbon seems easier to draw... maybe something to do with the riser material? who knows, my IQ isn't rated enough ha
Random question...you ironically wearing a Mathews shirt while reviewing the Hoyt bow and wearing a Hoyt shirt while reviewing the Mathews bow, or just a funny coincidence? :)
Love the Mathew’s shirt on the hoyt review 😂😂
What says, "HEY you don't own me" then wearing a Matthews shirt when you review a Hoyt. I LOVE IT
He does that a lot when reviewing things lol
Everything Matthews all the time. But bows are like pants. They fit everyone different. Probably is a diehard Ford or Chevy person too.
@jacketprideable you talking about Josh? 95% of every bow he personally shoots is a bowtech.
Eh, free shirt is a free shirt. Lol.
I remember watching him help that young lady choose a new bow and they kept her from knowing the brand names to keep it unbiased for her but the majority of the video she was preferring the Hoyt and he tried the whole video to persuade her to choose the Mathews with subtle comments sprinkled in here or there😂
Maybe I missed it somewhere and if I did let me know. Love watching your bow reviews even if I'm not in the market for one to just see what people came out with for the year. Would it be possible on these bow videos that when the news ones drop you put up a master list at the end of the video to show what the bows rank against the others. Thanks and keep up the awesome reviews!
You want him to come cut your grass and clean your dishes to?
@@joecrocker794cmon bro that’s not exactly asking too much it’s a valid point and would be nice to see and would add value and cohesiveness to his reviews
I went and shot both today and I agree! I love that new color! Hoyt did an awesome job this year. I have an rx7... don't really see a big enough difference for me to upgrade but it's definitely slight improvement on a bow I didn't think could be improved!
I agree about carbon vs aluminum. I shot a bunch of bows when looking for a new bow this year and the RX7 is what I ended up with, just an easier/smoother draw cycle
Let's just take a moment to appreciate Josh being on his knees really warming up the foreplay at the start of the review. Jokes aside good stuff man, thanks for what ya do
You sound pretty impressed for a Hoyt review, so that speaks pretty highly of them. Thanks MFJJ!
They should make the go sticks able to have weights added and removed so they also double as stabilizers.
Thanks for your solid reviews MFJJ. I do wish you still did the riser length measurement and not just the axel to axel.
FMJJ You rock buddy. You really gave me some good information on these new Hoyt bows that I have been waiting for. I currently shoot a RX-1 or I am definitely on to my pro shop and order up the RX-8 sick review Josh keep up the killer work!!!
I shoot an RX-1 also still! And im reallyyy considering a phase 4-29 due to how long the riser is otherwise id be longer ATA for sure at 29.5”+ draw. But the new Bowtech’s reallyyy are hard not to gravitate towards with all the great features now. The mathews are also price gouging with all their patented high priced stabilizer, quiver and compatible sight bar too
The draw cycle and cam design makes my bow a real pain to shoot lots of reps with even backed all the way down to 70#s it used to be at 76
I’m not bagging on your reviews but your second shot with the rx8 on the vibration was 6 something. The camera was on the reader and when you shot that was the number and when you moved it went to 12. I think you may want to record the reader at the shot and then review the footage for the number. May give you different reading on those bows you thought read high and felt great.
These reviews are very helpful
Really well done. Great video, Thank you!
These videos are great. Looks like a solid drop for Hoyt but I will stick with my Rx5 ultra another year.
I have the VTM34 and the RX-7 Ultra, and I completely agree the carbon is easier to pull back and they are set up identically.
Damn Hoyt did better on the vibration test then the Mathew’s with there fancy limbs
The new Bows really give me the vibe of a refined version of the Hoyt Axius Alpha series. Also Hoyt listened to me on IG when I said that they needed to bring back the grey risers
Whoa - for that carbon to produce so little vibration, have an easy/smooth dry cycle, and to produce a 335ish ATA speed is crazy good.
I think the vibration was actually fairly high and he left the bottom stabilizer on with the Carbon and did NOT have the lower stabilizer on with the aluminum riser Alpha. I think Carbon tends to vibrate more....
I've felt the same thing with the carbon/aluminum. I think it's the difference in brace heights. Last year there was a slight difference in lengths. I wonder if that's a contributing factor.
Love the Mathews shirt during a Hoyt review 😂
Little under the weather still a great quality video I heart hoyt
It’s interesting that the carbon feels easier to you…I’ve worked in a pro shop for a year and a half, and I’ve always thought the aluminums pulled easier than the carbon. Really interesting.
Same experience for me lol
carbons always seemed easier for me then aluminum
interesting how different the same bows can feel to different people
100%@@jondavidbrewer5378
The things I look at when I go to buy a bow are.1 price. 2 adjustability. 3 speed. 4 comfort and comfort to me is the Backwall. I currently own a 2018 bear divergent 28 and 2020 bear status eko. I've been in every year to see the new bows and shoot them but I never commit to buying one I just get new strings and cables made.
Awesome review MFJJ! You probably mentioned it and I missed it, but what were your opinions on the Let off "footer" having a hard and Extra Hard backwall setting/option?
It's because the carbon is warmer and therefore you feel more comfortable, just a little bit more relaxed.
It would be nice if you made a score list graphic for all these new bow reviews
Been looking forward to these releases as I'm due a new bow. Was excited when I read the specs for the RX8 Ultra, then I saw the price and my stomach started to hurt 😢
Gotta pay the cost to be the boss.
Great reviews as usual. Just curious as to what type of
target you are shooting into??
Shot both today love them but I did notice that the rx-8 was smoother
some nice tweaks to a solid line but a lot of reflex compared to other options. I like the breakdown with the two bows at the same time
MFJJ also said in another video that Hoyts were one of the most accurate bows, or the most accurate, I can't remember exactly. I know the reflex measurement is more geared towards forgiveness, and accuracy and forgiveness aren't necessarily the same thing. I just found it interesting.
I shot the rx-8 ultra and I'm in love with the bow and I'm a Mathews guy cant wait to get mine
Would it make sense to check poundage before physical bow measurements? Ignorant question, maybe, but I didn't known if ATA, brace height, etc could change with the limb bolt settings.
Elite Ethos added that new lower front stab mount… would be cool to know if the old and new Hoyt Bow feet models are compatible
For me I shot these back to back today and the alpha x had just the Slightest hand feel to me compared to the rx8 which was just dead in the hand . So for my money I'm going with the rx8 ultra was super impressive just a absolute joy to shoot
Does the aluminum bow offer flex where the carbon doesn’t? I’ve felt that before, and went the the rx7. Seems like there’s some “power loss” on the draw for aluminum flexing more and the carbon transferring everything without flexing.
so happy about the "nipple of destiny", my VTM bottom cam looks rough 😅
I've noticed the same thing when drawing back on the carbon vs aluminum Hoyts. The carbon is easier and smoother on the draw cycle.
That’s where the extra $700 goes!
@@anthonygraves5173 lol must be!
Hey Brother. If I would've watched this video first, my comment on the 33in version video is pretty much null and void now. Now I can see the results of an axle to axle length more to my liking. Thank you. I still like the looks of it.
Was i hearing the faint click of possibly the Stan thumb clicker? Growing on you? Just got mine in the mail from you today.....thanks JJ for all these vids
I have found the exact same thing with the rx7 and vtm, even at 74lbs I found it pulled easier then the vtm at 70
This is the downside lol. I swore I wouldn’t buy carbon again cause it didn’t seem worth it. But after going back to aluminum, it feels so much heavier and draws different.
Plenty of time to go shoot and test between now and Jan/Feb. lol prepare my wallet
Going through these comments & for the life of me I can never figure why there isn't at least one guy piping up how these new bows are nice but he's gonna go ahead & stick with his Pearson Spoiler for another year. 😏
Didn't hear if you mentioned the new color, I like the new color much better than the previous years although it looks like a Mathews now it still is a much better option.
Podium archer is the the John Lusk of bow reviews 🤣
Thank you
Love your reviews!!! I got my Alpha X 2 weeks ago after shooting it and the new lift and absolutely loved the Hoyt . I have one question though you did the speed test with a wisker bisket and we all know that loses speed. worst of all you used a fall way rest on the Mathews, should you not do all tests with the same arrow rest to have an actual fair comparison??? Or add the additional 3-4 fps loss to the speeds.
Yeah... that's a pretty big deal
I see youre doing the competitor shirt thing again ha!
I am wondering if it has something to do with riser flex. The different materials (carbon / aluminum), I am sure, flex differently. Could that be influencing the "feel" of the pull? Just a thought.
I noticed that too that the rx-7 seems easier to draw than the vtm but it’s very minor
Great video. Can we get Lift 29 vs RX8 30 at 80lb? Cannot find any videos with 80lb speed tests! Crazy! All RUclips videos make them head to head with 70lb and no 80lb review. I think more people are looking to use 80 than reviewers realize.
What let-off setting did you test in? Just curious for the speed and DL tests.
Yes it’s like the old cam 1/2 #2 cam and #3 cam
Bought both of them, I couldn’t decide.
Could the pressure on the front of the riser from your fingers effect the vibration numbers more pressure lower numbers or vice versa?
Please do the vibration test with the heavy arrow vs light arrow.
It would be cool if you added one other test for the guys like shorter guys like Dan@Elkshape. 27" to 28' draw with the bow max out and twisted up above speck with a 480g arrow or whatever weight is common for hunting... Or just make Dan be your shorter draw height poundage monkey tester lol. Looks to be solid bows this year from Hoyt.
How much better is the rx8 vs rx7?? Great reviews by the way 😊😊😊
Quick question on your review process - why don't you include a category for "quietness"?
Love the way you do the objective and subjective scoring model. Gives the viewer something more tangible and organized to consider when making a decision.
Do you have notes on vibration on the rx5 and rx7 and sounds decibel to compare? Thank for your comments
I was wondering if it matters how hard you hold the bow when doing the vibration test
How would the draw cycle feel compared to the Bowtech SR?
3 Days ago @ our local range a friend who just back to archery after a 20 yr lay off… anyways he picked up a fully loaded rx8 shot it for 3 months no glitches 👌🏾however 3 days ago ?
While we both were practicing at 70 I saw him take a last shot then we took a short 5 minute break..well after the break we went back to shooting however when he went to draw his bow? He noticed the string was slacked and twisted on the top cam…
After closer inspection the top cam mod screw sheered off causing loosening twisting of both mods binding on the top and bottom limbs…. 🤫🤔my buddy never once dry fired the bow and was using correct spined 340 arrow arrow @ 70 lbs 420 grains🤷♂️true story in 6/12/24
over 2 grand for a warmer hand lol cause the carbon weighs as much as the others screw that they can keep it the alpha seems sweet I will wait for Mathews to drop before I go to the shop thx for the video on there web page it shows 2049 for the carbon and 1349 and 1449 for the alpha
No it doesn't. It says 1949 for the carbon.
The rx7 ultra was definitely smoother than the ventm pro to me
Could the difference be the weight increase on your extended arm along with the added stiffness.
the hoyt go stix work on the PSE shoodown pro. make sure to thank jake in the video
Will the back wall rating change since there is a stiff back wall draw stop option?
I think the carbon flexes that’s why it feels easier
when you review any bow it should be done with a sight on it to check for sight picture interference and fit.
Can you do or show a tuning video for the new system thanks.
I bought my VTM 34 in February. How does the vtm compare to these new bows? Worth upgrading?
I love my old Hoyt but I’m gonna spend my $1300 on a New Black widow Recurve
I have an rx7 and i think ill just stick with it. See what happens in a year or two
Hell yea I've been waiting for hoyt
Hey Josh! I purchased a Ventum Pro from you last year, do you still have the trade-up program running?
shheeesh having a baby on the way sure inconveniences me getting my new bow I’d sure love that alpha X😢
Are you going to review APA bows? Curious
You know what I think? Huh? Do ya??? Well let me tell ya! I think MFJJ is the bomb!
Great reviews. Keep them coming. I’ve always owned a Mathews but have been seriously considering Hoyt/Elite/Bowtech for my next bow.
So is the carbon RX8 going to be $3,000 this year? And the aluminum one has to be at least 1500. These bow companies need to get their prices in check. We all know archery equipment does not hold value like a gun does. And all they do is minimal changes every year. Driving me nuts! Anybody else sick of the prices?
Can someone explain why reflex is an issue? Ive never heard of it being addressed until i started watching these review videos a month or so ago. Even other reviews I've seen, it isn't mentioned. He says forgiveness, but what makes it unforgiving? Thanks in advance!
I really don’t trust the vibration meter, like it went from 15 to 11 that’s like 30% different
If you put the stuby on the x it might even be more vib free
I’ll never pull back a aluminum bow again! Carbon all the way !
Man, no love for us longer draw guys from any of the bow companies this year!
That’s what I was thinking. Not sure if there is an ultra version of these or not?
Hoyt has a long draw model. They just aren't advertising it like these two.
Once the bow is in tune you shouldn’t be messing with anything anyways. So adjustment on the cams is kinda a waist imo!
100% you use the spacers the first time to adjust the cam and you shouldn’t need to do that again. That’s why I’m so puzzled who some people rate tuning tech so highly.
@@toddlymburner5783 Because he works in a shop and the faster it is the more work ($$$) they can crank out. Or if tune is included in the free setup its less labor cost sunk on a new bow sale
@@jhoppmann oh I know, but they try and push it like it’s a big plus to the consumer which it’s not.
Matters a whole lot when you live 4 hours from a shop and the guy who tuned it did so with the rest and not the cams.
But why not have the option.
That low on vibration with the alpha x and you didn’t put the “butt plug” on?!
I feel opposite. I think the alluminum draws smoother
LOL Mathews Tshirt on a Hoyt review 😂
Physical holding weight will change ever so slightly the draw cycle feeling, in my opinion and experience
Yes but the lighter the bow the stiffer the cycle will feel. That’s opposite of what he’s getting. All in his head IMO
Do you think it’s possible to put the new cam on an rx7?😊
Mfjj you sound sick or your talking too much and lost your voice . Hope you’re not sick ! Love the bow review .
Can't wait to buy an used rx7 from someone now that the new bows are out.
I have one I traded a vxr29 for it. Love it, and I'm totally happy with the trade.
Wanna buy it? 😊
Is your decibel meter reading the bow or the impact on foam?
It’s reading the vibrations from the shot
The carbon rizer must be flexing, or Hoyts using different limbs on there carbon bows, and aren't saying they are. Check the cams and mods for differences, flat spots ect...
The prices on the hoyt website are 100 higher on both
I was going to say his prices were low
Good thing you dont mind adjusting them limb bilts lolol
My rx-7 ultra at 80 pounds seems like it draws easier than my vtm 31 at 70 pounds.
Any ultras yet?
Noticed the same different in carbon vs aluminum. Carbon seems easier to draw... maybe something to do with the riser material? who knows, my IQ isn't rated enough ha
Wait where are the Ultras? Would be really odd to not update that since zero riser updates, just add new limbs and cams…
Random question...you ironically wearing a Mathews shirt while reviewing the Hoyt bow and wearing a Hoyt shirt while reviewing the Mathews bow, or just a funny coincidence? :)