Nice little section of test road;) With lift control in #1 I find it allows a decent wheelie angle and can quick shift into 2nd and starts to bring it down a little then by the time I quickshift into 3rd it is bringing back down to the pavement. The '21 MT09SP is a very fun and engaging bike....like a 2-wheel Porsche GT3 that you can wheelie! Keep up the great MT09SP content!
The lift control really is a good system, it is refreshing to see a system that doesn't cut power abruptly. I have been enjoying the content on your channel 👍MX is my first love.
You guys realize the SP and the non SP are the same bike, right? Just a different shock in the rear and coating on the forks. Cruise control is just a gimmick.
@@tg8150 The forks on the SP have high/low compression damping and DLC(diamond like coating, slides easier or something.. which is apparently $500 on its own). The rear ohlins shock is $1100-ish on its own. Just the suspension differences alone are close to the cost differential between the two models. Cruise control is just a bonus that cant really be added later if one did decide they wanted it. Not a gimmick for everyone.
@@Jtwizzle @tg8150 the seat is also different, and the paint scheme is unique to the SP, it's based on the R1Ms paint scheme, black levers and handlebar too, and the brake fluid reservoirs are tinted, and their expensive AF.
This is so useful to know for someone like me who likes a bit of fun off crests etc, but sadly past clutching up 4th gear mingers🤣. Really appreciate your content on the MT-09 SP!
Question bro, how do you like that OEM windscreen ? Do you feel you like to deflects some wind off of your chest and /or face? Maybe when tucking down? I ordered mine but was thinking of the Puig screen because it’s higher, still looks nice, and seems like it will definitely deflect.
Hi, I like the way the OEM windscreen looks but it is probably not the most functional option. It does deflect some wind from the chest area and a bit from the head but the trade off for me (at 6'2") is a bit of wind buffeting/noise caused by the screen, it disappears if i tuck down.
NB! You can still flip it with lft control on if you do a clutch wheelie. I did wheelie on second on my MT09SP a few days ago, and I think I did almost 12 o'clock wheelie, it was scary. No foot on the brake, as I expect lft control to always limit me on 45 degrees.
Makes sense, I'd imagine that a big old clutch up would spook the electronics. If you are at the point of doing clutch ups definitely better with the LIF turned off, you would only need a very delicate dab of the clutch, even in 3rd and 4th gear👍
Hm. Third as much as I've tried - never have enough power for a wheelie. Maybe I am too heavy. Hoping the upgrade of the exhaust + ECU flash will do the trick though. Turning LIF off - yeah probably will turn it off somewhere mid this season. Still have to practice a bit :)
Cheers👍I don't believe that it needs a steering damper in my opinion. I know that some people suggest that it does, but it never gets out of hand in my experience. You have so much leverage with the wide bars and the upright riding position that it is very easy to manage. Also the wobble is usually caused by hard acceleration, where the front wheel is skipping the tarmac with the bars at a slight angle (rather than anything inherently wrong with the bike, like chassis flex or flex in the forks etc).
Was that a power wheelie at 2:00 in second gear? Damn, my bike is capable of things I'm not even aware of. I've been riding it with lift control at max for almost a year now, and I'm yet to discover new things about it. Dope.
So it does limit the lift. That’s nice to know. I’ve been leaning forward and rolling in to prevent it from looping because it comes up so easily I thought it would just keep going until I’m on my ass. It was smooth the first time it happened on my way home after purchasing the bike and ever since I’ve been playing it safe thinking I got lucky. It does it great when I unintentionally do it then a big womp womp when I purposely try lol.
@@2jzRedLine oh. Good to know. Now I’m curious if that happened the other day with mine. I’m not a wheelie person but I’ve never had the wheel come up that high before. I thought it was going loop
@@love4boost idk if mine did that due to pilot error, wrong combo of setting , or IMU failure. All I know is that I kill the throttle the last second possible. Twice.
I have a question..would it come up higher if you wasn't backing off throttle? I see your wrist backing off then giving it more as it was coming down. Maybe it's my view but looks like you're kinda on and off throttle to me. Not all that much but just wondering cause mine feels like it still climbing even quick shifting into second gear. Does it matter about the TCS mode you're using? I ride normally with everything on one. Thanks for any advice or info on what you were doing with your wrist. Could be the way I'm watching it so just wondering. 👍
To be honest I can't really remember, I probably backed off slightly out of instinct. Although I do distinctly recall winding the throttle on mid wheelie to discover that the angle of attack would not increase all the way to the limiter. Without doubt if you tried this with "Lif Off" the bike would have continued to rise and loop out. It's my belief that the bike uses the IMU to limit the angle of attack, I can't imagine that they would release a bike that can be looped out with Lif control activated. I think TCS mode would only have an impact if it detected slip (I ride TCS mode 1 also). Cheers👍
Welp after 5 months of replying to this post I'm here to tell you that I might need to take it back to dealership cause something isn't correct with settings cause mine this bike will (everytime) loop on level 1. We set everything manually and everything was on settings 1 and the bike just kept getting higher and higher. I thought I was chicken shit but had a pro rider said same thing as your telling me. So now I'm replacing tons of parts but the main thing he's ok. My bike has a recall on ECU but wasn't sure if that has something to do with it acting like it does. I'm going to contact Yamaha.
@Dale Colegrove welp after a year later I can honestly say that it will loop. Maybe the computer didn't change anything between practices or I have to shut it off and back on to reset the modes. Do not just try to launch the bike like your at a dragstrip cause you will be buying lots of part if you make it! We put a strap to lower fork extension and still did that. Not happy with the wheelie control. But like I said it could be just my bike cause everyone else I watch goes right down to the road no problems.
@@dano7480 LIF can't stop it looping, it can only control the speed at which the front comes up. It would need to be able to pulse the rear brake to be able to stop it completely.
No intervention with TC in level 1 on this particular bike, unless you get wheel spin whilst doing a wheelie (not ideal). Other, more basic, TC systems on different bikes can intervene though, they simply detect a difference in wheel speed between the front and rear wheel and perceive this to be wheel spin (rather than a wheelie) and cut power.
@@tankslapmoto9999 Your information has helped me with my decision to get the MT09sp. I not a noob to fast riding but noob to wheelies. So this is the PERFECT bike for me. Fast, RELIABLE, great seating position and a hooner.
If you want to clutch it up to balance point Lif would need to be off. The angle of attack is limited with it on, so effectively there'd be no point clutching it up. TC doesn't intervene for wheelies on this bike, not in level 1 at least👍
I run D-Mode 2, I find that it gives the most natural feel. D-Mode 1 is a little snatchy for me, and D-Mode 3 feels a little flat (not responsive enough).
Soo it can be uset on power wheallie on 1st gear only? i don't know why but i have fear of turns :( like i fear to my tires start slide .. any advice? (my bike is the same SP 2021)
Lulls you into a false sense of security if you ever intend on turning it off though! I nearly looped mine when I first turned it off, hadn't quite comprehended how much the lift control was slowing down the rate of climb. 😆
It doesn't like clutch ups with Lif control on from memory, I suppose the whole point of a clutch up is to quickly bring the front wheel up to balance point low in the rpms whereas the Lif control is trying to stop/slow the rate of wheel lift. Maybe if you hit the rev limiter and dump the clutch it would come up but you'd certainly notice the system working against you. With Lif control off, you can still run TCS in 1 or 2 and wheelie as normal, clutch ups etc.
Mine would lift with no effort on the handlebars in 2nd gear and even 3rd gear, although sometimes it might take a little encouragement in 3rd depending on the road. I think mine made really good power, although it might just be a case of what rpm you roll into it, I seem to recall 6/7k being the sweet spot for power wheelies on the mt09.
Sorry I misunderstood your message, wif "Lif" on level 1 it barely wheelies in 2nd gear in my experience, I'd just turn it off altogether personally, you can easily modulate it yourself with the throttle and it's much more fun! 😉
I'm ordering a mt09 this coming year. I'll run it on but I'll still roll into the throttle and stay tucked to play safe. Would hate to loop and get hurt. Mentally would be concerned of the LIF system failing to read and if I pin the throttle unexpectedly coming up faster than expected
this 1 mod ,not lift, have an impact at your driving ? you know , 1 mod keep you on kind of train rails ?? ! Cause averybody said how playful is the Tracer 900 and Mt09 ,but when i ride it , i didnt find it playful at all . Now... this conclusion is falty cause the bike was set at mod 1 when i ride it ??????
2017 doesnt have the IMU and LIF control. It has more rudimentary traction control which to my research should still help with controlling wheelies when in the higher setting but not in setting 1.
Setting 2 in first gear lets you get the wheel like 10 inches off the ground and sets it back down after a short period. Setting 3 it’s pretty impossible to get any lift without clutching up. I’m no wheelie expert but these are the results I’ve gotten on mine, someone could say different.
@@2jzRedLine all set to off or lowest, the only way for it to lift the wheel is 1st gear and I need to be very harsh with the throttle. Second gear I can only dream about it. That's why I'm a bit disappointed as I was expecting that insane wheelie machine as everyone is talking about.
With modern throttle-by-wire, there's no real need for ignition interrupt or other engine control methods anymore. The ECU runs the throttle by servo, all the time, no matter what. What you do with your wrist is not always what the ECU does with the actual throttle blades.
Sounds very plausible for the wheelie control, I'm sure that the ecu, in conjunction with the IMU, could simply close the electronic butterfly's as you say. The traction control feels like it still uses ignition timing in conjunction with closing the throttle. I can't really feel a hard cut these days, but it definitely feels like there's something going on ignition wise.👍
@@tankslapmoto9999 The most instant way to stop engine torque is to stop combustion, for sure. That's usually ignition (various methods that is implemented). Closing primary throttle blades would still take a bit of time to produce reduced torque through the whole system. But as a rule, TBW controls are 100% by servo, and input from all the other sensors factors into computer throttle mapping. It's sort of been a doubled edge sword since TBW became a thing. On one hand you can map power modes, implement cruise control, operate a type of traction control. On the other hand, manufacturers are using TBW for emissions and noise regs, speed caps, per-gear emissions/power limits, and as a secondary issue (due to fuel-cut regulations) the on/off throttle feel is often choppy and puts shock through the drivetrain. Manufacturers are getting better at all the calibrations but you still cannot get around mandatory emissions and noise regs. That's where aftermarket comes in.
It is all very interesting. People say oh they'd be unrideable with a 1:1 throttle map, but I am not so sure. I suppose it allows the manufacturers to implement their modes and sell a bike that appeals to a broader audience, new riders and experienced alike (plus, as you say, they can throttle map for each gear to appease noise and emissions regs). I have a Tenere 700 with a good old-fashioned cable throttle, it definitely feels more natural to me.
@@tankslapmoto9999 Well for one thing, it was less costly to manufacturer, that'd for doggone sure. _With the APSG, the degree of throttle opening is detected by a sensor and magnet and reflected with signals to the throttle valve motor. For good operational feel, the APSG is comprised of a spring, slider and gear and produces varying degrees of friction (resistance) to recreate a natural throttle feel during use._ All of that had to be R&D, part-sourced, prototyped, tested, calibrated, re-tested, a heap of new part numbers created, and finally absorbed at corporate Yamaha's factory as increased overhead expenses trickling down through everything they ultimately sell. Or we could just pop a cable on a pulley, turn a screw, and send it out the door. The level of technocratic bureaucracy that is being layered and layered and layered on motorcycles these days is ridiculous, promising a better experience and keeping everyone safe from the dangerous motorcycle engine. The earth is safer from the motorcycle engine. The rider is safer from the motorcycle engine. The neighbors next door are safer from the motorcycle engine. My goodness, without this powerhouse top tier heavy duty computer controlling this motorcycle engine, you'd be sure to die every single time you went for a ride.
But it will be fun....😀 the throttle connection is really good on the mt09 so im sure you will find it easy to modulate, you can always drag a bit of rear brake as well to tame it down.
Does anyone know if the 2022 MT09 have a quick shifter and wheelie control? I know the SP does just didn't know what all was different from the two? Looking to purchase one and was unsure which one to buy. Thanks for any help.
Hi, yes all Mt09 models have bi directional quick shifter and wheelie control. The difference is mainly aesthetics (paint scheme, brushed alloy swingarm) plus the SP gets cruise control.
@@tankslapmoto9999 As far as I know, the motorcycle stays on the synth until 4th gear, but after 4th it can throw it back. And lift control is disabled after 30-40 seconds, if you slap the clutch the lift control will keep holding your bike, some of them don't, it's not a good idea to slap the clutch if you don't know how to make a wheel, and always keep your foot on the rear brake
@@cemalsp I did purchase a 2021 MT09 and not sure about the lift control cause even on lift 2 seems like it is going to loop and I actually have to control it with rear brake. Thought I read that it's not supposed to let the bike go past 45 degree angle?
I have the non SP edition and have the same modes. What does level 2, and 3 look like? I’m not a fan of wheelies and honestly this bike scares the shit out of me and I have been riding since 2008.
Hello Valentino, I'm looking to purchase the MT09 2022 and not the SP. It has wheelie control and quick shifter? If so the only two things are different is cruise control and suspension? Any advice would be helpful thank you.
Not really because you're chasing out wheelies until you hit the rev limiter where as with clutch ups you can control the speed you're going and maintain it
It limits speed of lift so it won't spit out on you it's great for confidence. It will flip but gives you time to think so u can prevent it. I can ride my mto9 like a unicycle so it builds confidence safely.
Wait for the Puig ones! I think they look really good. The short one just released on revzilla but it was oos instantly. I'm going for the tourer one that I preordered from a dealer.
Ive had a gen 1 2014 since new.. has no abs no traction control.. and is tuned to 140hp.. full power on tap. Allows u to ride the bike a learn it properly how to use power.. not ride around thinking ur fast with all those electronic assists to help these new riders..
Not in my experience, need Lif off for clutch ups. Maybe if you were super aggressive it would come up but it would be a little hard on the clutch, plus I don't think you'd get it up anywhere near the balance point with Lif on👍
My bike has 1900 miles on and will not wheelie at all unless you slip the clutch Also it accelerates kinda sluggess out of the hole until you get moving a bit ?
Something doesn't sound right there, mine would power wheelie in 3rd gear... assume you have turned the systems off (it feels like a different bike with Lif off and TCS off, or on 1). The only other thing might be if you have changed the exhaust, they can loose a lot of power if you don't have the right exhaust/enough back pressure... (stuby cans or no silencer type exhausts are a bit of a no no without a remap).
Love my mt09 and honestly kinda wish it didn’t have lift control. I’ve never wheelied before besides small power wheelies on a Honda rebel I had. With the lift control I quickly started doing crazy power wheelies and I’ve never had to use the rear brake. It’s fun and all but now my perception of how a wheelie should feel without lift control is bad. I tried a 2nd gear power wheelie without lift control on and the front tire came up so fast it scared the shit outa me. Now if I wanna learn wheelies I gotta relearn from scratch.
Hey, interesting comment, the bikes definitely more fun with it all turned off, I have never really got used to riding with that stuff on but I can see how you'd have to recalibrate your throttle hand. I guess if Lif control allows Yamaha to safely sell the bike then I'm all for it, provided it can be turned off 😉 I kinda feel the same way about all these rider modes, I just pick one and stick with it.
Video is completely wrong. According to Yamaha it limits the lift speed. When I'm in ride mode 1 I can reach balance point quite quickly and yes u can go over. I've done maybe 500 wheelies on the mto9 and I can start in first and hit balance point by 70kmh shift to second get it back up shift to third hit around 170kmh and have to use brake to drop back down. Lift is in 1 traction is in 1.
Your videos are a pleasure to watch. Nice editing, crisp quality and ofcourse my dream bike which I have on order! Can't wait
Cheers for the words of encouragement👍. Enjoy your new bike when it arrives, you will love it!
Thank you! I’ve read a lot saying it just slows the rate that it lifts. To me that meant I could still loop it. I appreciate your research ;)
Nice little section of test road;) With lift control in #1 I find it allows a decent wheelie angle and can quick shift into 2nd and starts to bring it down a little then by the time I quickshift into 3rd it is bringing back down to the pavement. The '21 MT09SP is a very fun and engaging bike....like a 2-wheel Porsche GT3 that you can wheelie! Keep up the great MT09SP content!
The lift control really is a good system, it is refreshing to see a system that doesn't cut power abruptly. I have been enjoying the content on your channel 👍MX is my first love.
@@tankslapmoto9999 I am a moto guy at heart....one of the reasons I like the MT09SP so much....feels kind of like a fast dirt bike!😁
You guys realize the SP and the non SP are the same bike, right? Just a different shock in the rear and coating on the forks.
Cruise control is just a gimmick.
@@tg8150 The forks on the SP have high/low compression damping and DLC(diamond like coating, slides easier or something.. which is apparently $500 on its own). The rear ohlins shock is $1100-ish on its own. Just the suspension differences alone are close to the cost differential between the two models. Cruise control is just a bonus that cant really be added later if one did decide they wanted it. Not a gimmick for everyone.
@@Jtwizzle @tg8150 the seat is also different, and the paint scheme is unique to the SP, it's based on the R1Ms paint scheme, black levers and handlebar too, and the brake fluid reservoirs are tinted, and their expensive AF.
This is so useful to know for someone like me who likes a bit of fun off crests etc, but sadly past clutching up 4th gear mingers🤣. Really appreciate your content on the MT-09 SP!
Glad to help and thanks for the support. P.S. this bike loves a crest (even in fifth)👍
Great review. The MT 09 will always be a great bike. Possibly my next choice.
They have genuinely moved it on leaps and bounds with this latest iteration, definitely worth a test ride👍
looks awesome with the windscreen
Thats really cool dudeee!!
I have 2016 r1m and trying to wheelie on setting 1 only lifts a tiny bit and sounds like fuel starve ....you did it and sounds spot on
i m very pleased with mt09.. it was ugly to me at begining but know o love it
Very nicely shown. Got my like.
Cheers 🍻
@@tankslapmoto9999 Got my like. Drop by when you have time. You may find it interesting.
Awesome again 👍
Cheers 👍
Question bro, how do you like that OEM windscreen ? Do you feel you like to deflects some wind off of your chest and /or face? Maybe when tucking down? I ordered mine but was thinking of the Puig screen because it’s higher, still looks nice, and seems like it will definitely deflect.
Hi, I like the way the OEM windscreen looks but it is probably not the most functional option. It does deflect some wind from the chest area and a bit from the head but the trade off for me (at 6'2") is a bit of wind buffeting/noise caused by the screen, it disappears if i tuck down.
@@tankslapmoto9999 thanks for the response. Should work a bit better for me then since I’m 5’6”.
And I do prefer that looks 🔥
NB! You can still flip it with lft control on if you do a clutch wheelie.
I did wheelie on second on my MT09SP a few days ago, and I think I did almost 12 o'clock wheelie, it was scary. No foot on the brake, as I expect lft control to always limit me on 45 degrees.
Makes sense, I'd imagine that a big old clutch up would spook the electronics. If you are at the point of doing clutch ups definitely better with the LIF turned off, you would only need a very delicate dab of the clutch, even in 3rd and 4th gear👍
Hm. Third as much as I've tried - never have enough power for a wheelie. Maybe I am too heavy. Hoping the upgrade of the exhaust + ECU flash will do the trick though.
Turning LIF off - yeah probably will turn it off somewhere mid this season. Still have to practice a bit :)
Great video. Thinking about getting an MT09. Do you feel the bike needs a steering damper installed because of potential steering wobble?
Cheers👍I don't believe that it needs a steering damper in my opinion. I know that some people suggest that it does, but it never gets out of hand in my experience. You have so much leverage with the wide bars and the upright riding position that it is very easy to manage. Also the wobble is usually caused by hard acceleration, where the front wheel is skipping the tarmac with the bars at a slight angle (rather than anything inherently wrong with the bike, like chassis flex or flex in the forks etc).
@@tankslapmoto9999 appreciate the reply, makes a lot of sense. Thanks once again, keep up the great content 😃
@@stockstunna i did get a hyperpro suspension and that fixed the wobble for me :P
Was that a power wheelie at 2:00 in second gear? Damn, my bike is capable of things I'm not even aware of. I've been riding it with lift control at max for almost a year now, and I'm yet to discover new things about it. Dope.
Yeah the MT09 was ridiculous for lofting the front wheel, even 3rd gear power wheelies were fairly easy
So it does limit the lift. That’s nice to know. I’ve been leaning forward and rolling in to prevent it from looping because it comes up so easily I thought it would just keep going until I’m on my ass. It was smooth the first time it happened on my way home after purchasing the bike and ever since I’ve been playing it safe thinking I got lucky. It does it great when I unintentionally do it then a big womp womp when I purposely try lol.
Mines failed 2 times! Got lucky not to crash. Always pay attention
@@2jzRedLine oh. Good to know. Now I’m curious if that happened the other day with mine. I’m not a wheelie person but I’ve never had the wheel come up that high before. I thought it was going loop
@@love4boost idk if mine did that due to pilot error, wrong combo of setting , or IMU failure. All I know is that I kill the throttle the last second possible. Twice.
@@2jzRedLine Is yours a newer model?
@@Norepinefrain yup it is mate
What exhaust are you running 🙄 sounds nice. I am waiting on my Mivv GP pro 😎
This was just the stock exhaust in this video, I had a Dominator Hp4 which sounded great and is featured in some of my other MT09 videos👍
@@tankslapmoto9999 aaaa Well it didn’t sound bad at all, sound better irl with stock and aftermarket
I have a question..would it come up higher if you wasn't backing off throttle? I see your wrist backing off then giving it more as it was coming down. Maybe it's my view but looks like you're kinda on and off throttle to me. Not all that much but just wondering cause mine feels like it still climbing even quick shifting into second gear. Does it matter about the TCS mode you're using? I ride normally with everything on one. Thanks for any advice or info on what you were doing with your wrist. Could be the way I'm watching it so just wondering. 👍
To be honest I can't really remember, I probably backed off slightly out of instinct. Although I do distinctly recall winding the throttle on mid wheelie to discover that the angle of attack would not increase all the way to the limiter. Without doubt if you tried this with "Lif Off" the bike would have continued to rise and loop out. It's my belief that the bike uses the IMU to limit the angle of attack, I can't imagine that they would release a bike that can be looped out with Lif control activated. I think TCS mode would only have an impact if it detected slip (I ride TCS mode 1 also). Cheers👍
Welp after 5 months of replying to this post I'm here to tell you that I might need to take it back to dealership cause something isn't correct with settings cause mine this bike will (everytime) loop on level 1. We set everything manually and everything was on settings 1 and the bike just kept getting higher and higher. I thought I was chicken shit but had a pro rider said same thing as your telling me. So now I'm replacing tons of parts but the main thing he's ok. My bike has a recall on ECU but wasn't sure if that has something to do with it acting like it does. I'm going to contact Yamaha.
@@dano7480 Are you saying you actually looped yours?
@Dale Colegrove welp after a year later I can honestly say that it will loop. Maybe the computer didn't change anything between practices or I have to shut it off and back on to reset the modes. Do not just try to launch the bike like your at a dragstrip cause you will be buying lots of part if you make it! We put a strap to lower fork extension and still did that. Not happy with the wheelie control. But like I said it could be just my bike cause everyone else I watch goes right down to the road no problems.
@@dano7480 LIF can't stop it looping, it can only control the speed at which the front comes up.
It would need to be able to pulse the rear brake to be able to stop it completely.
Thank you 🙏🤟
I ride a 2021 mt-10 but i really want to add a 09 in my arsenal--- i think the mt09 sounds so amazing
Tbh you have the best MT there is. And I ride a 09
does traction control intervene with wheelies at all? or just when the rear starts slipping in corners and on wet surfaces and stuff.
No intervention with TC in level 1 on this particular bike, unless you get wheel spin whilst doing a wheelie (not ideal). Other, more basic, TC systems on different bikes can intervene though, they simply detect a difference in wheel speed between the front and rear wheel and perceive this to be wheel spin (rather than a wheelie) and cut power.
@@tankslapmoto9999 Your information has helped me with my decision to get the MT09sp. I not a noob to fast riding but noob to wheelies. So this is the PERFECT bike for me. Fast, RELIABLE, great seating position and a hooner.
So for clutch wheelies LIF needs to be off? What about TCS? Does TCS interfere with either power or clutch ups like on some other models?
If you want to clutch it up to balance point Lif would need to be off. The angle of attack is limited with it on, so effectively there'd be no point clutching it up. TC doesn't intervene for wheelies on this bike, not in level 1 at least👍
Would you please try this video exactly as you did with LIF on 1 and shift to second? Will it stay up??
Hi, yes, you can easily shift to second with wheel up in LIF mode 1.
Thank you for the video. So if I understand correctly you can go full throttle without the bike kicking back?
Indeed, the bike will not loop out👍
On what settings
@@abdnsuperslater0015 Hi, did you find the settings?
Now do a video with clutching it up in lif control Instead of a power wheelie.
Does this mean with traction control on 1 and lift on 1 it will still wheelie?!... I can't remember my setting..need to check . aleks
Yes indeed 😁
What D-Mode are you in? I'm in no.3 coz I find it the smoothest but when I am in 2nd and I click into third for a wheelie it comes straight down.
I run D-Mode 2, I find that it gives the most natural feel. D-Mode 1 is a little snatchy for me, and D-Mode 3 feels a little flat (not responsive enough).
What mode were you running here? Hard to see on the video, seems like 2?
I run drive mode/throttle map 2, smoother in my experience
Soo it can be uset on power wheallie on 1st gear only? i don't know why but i have fear of turns :( like i fear to my tires start slide .. any advice? (my bike is the same SP 2021)
It will still power wheelie in 2nd with LIF on, just barely in my experience. It should be solid in the corners, maybe check the tire pressures
“Let’s wack it on.” So when he wants to turn it off, would he say, “now let’s wack it off,”?
I guess it’s a safe way to learn how to do wheelies
Lulls you into a false sense of security if you ever intend on turning it off though! I nearly looped mine when I first turned it off, hadn't quite comprehended how much the lift control was slowing down the rate of climb. 😆
was TCS on I heard it may affect weheelies.
Hi, yes TCS was on. I discuss this issue more at 17mins or so in our review video - ruclips.net/video/5aOgnz7wVsg/видео.html
Can you do clutch up with it on or does it have to be off and what tcs needs to be turned off
It doesn't like clutch ups with Lif control on from memory, I suppose the whole point of a clutch up is to quickly bring the front wheel up to balance point low in the rpms whereas the Lif control is trying to stop/slow the rate of wheel lift. Maybe if you hit the rev limiter and dump the clutch it would come up but you'd certainly notice the system working against you. With Lif control off, you can still run TCS in 1 or 2 and wheelie as normal, clutch ups etc.
Hi there I have a question. Is the LIF realy works as you said? Cannot flip it over once LIF is on set 1?
👍Confirm no flipage with LIF on.
@@tankslapmoto9999 sweet bro! Thanks
Does that little windscreen do anything? Lol I thought about getting it but I wasn't so sure
It's more for aesthetics really, takes a little bit of wind pressure off of the chest but that's about it
the second grear wheelie a clutch up or off the trottle power up ?
Off the throttle, 3rd gear off the throttle as well is very easy👍
Which LIFT MODE are you using in the video? Thx!
1 and then off
Hi awesome vid can you tell me what settings your on ? Modes etc as I have the 2022 mt10sp and worried about flipping it
Hi sure, they were LIF 1, SCS 1, TCS1, and D mode 2 (for smoother throttle response)👍
@@tankslapmoto9999 thanks bud
Are there different levels you can set for how much lift it allows?
Hi, yes, there's three different levels and OFF. Level 1 being the least intrusive as demonstrated in the video.
@@tankslapmoto9999 oh I somehow thought that was traction control my bad
On mine to lift in mode 1 and tcs 1 in second gear, I have to pull the handlebars a little, normal ?
Mine would lift with no effort on the handlebars in 2nd gear and even 3rd gear, although sometimes it might take a little encouragement in 3rd depending on the road. I think mine made really good power, although it might just be a case of what rpm you roll into it, I seem to recall 6/7k being the sweet spot for power wheelies on the mt09.
With tcs 1 and lif 1 ? at 1:14, she barely lifts in second gear
Sorry I misunderstood your message, wif "Lif" on level 1 it barely wheelies in 2nd gear in my experience, I'd just turn it off altogether personally, you can easily modulate it yourself with the throttle and it's much more fun! 😉
Somebody know what tyre pressure is preferable for wheelie on MT09 (S22 battlax)?
30psi plus you be good 👍
I'm ordering a mt09 this coming year. I'll run it on but I'll still roll into the throttle and stay tucked to play safe. Would hate to loop and get hurt. Mentally would be concerned of the LIF system failing to read and if I pin the throttle unexpectedly coming up faster than expected
You’ll learn throttle control quuuckly on the mt09
@@zgjfinance2796 I sure did 😏
@@robertcarter5253 yessir I have mt09 sp and the first month was really tepid on the throttle 😂; still haven’t taken lift control or tcs off yet
this 1 mod ,not lift, have an impact at your driving ? you know , 1 mod keep you on kind of train rails ?? !
Cause averybody said how playful is the Tracer 900 and Mt09 ,but when i ride it , i didnt find it playful at all .
Now... this conclusion is falty cause the bike was set at mod 1 when i ride it ??????
I have the 2017 model,does anyone know how that works 🤷♀️
2017 doesnt have the IMU and LIF control. It has more rudimentary traction control which to my research should still help with controlling wheelies when in the higher setting but not in setting 1.
Would have been nice to have seen the difference in the lift control settings when attempting to wheelie. Good vid though.
Setting 2 in first gear lets you get the wheel like 10 inches off the ground and sets it back down after a short period. Setting 3 it’s pretty impossible to get any lift without clutching up. I’m no wheelie expert but these are the results I’ve gotten on mine, someone could say different.
@@hendrxx_ mine doesn't lift at all on any settings, only way is to clutch up. I don't understand why its like this on mine...?
@@povilaslondon not sure, maybe ur not yanking the throttle enough
@@povilaslondon wich mode are you running?
@@2jzRedLine all set to off or lowest, the only way for it to lift the wheel is 1st gear and I need to be very harsh with the throttle. Second gear I can only dream about it. That's why I'm a bit disappointed as I was expecting that insane wheelie machine as everyone is talking about.
How tall are the wheelies on the different stages/levels?
It doesn't work that way... it controls the speed at which it comes up rather than the angle.
Are you full throttle and the bike just stops it from going any further ?
Pretty much
With modern throttle-by-wire, there's no real need for ignition interrupt or other engine control methods anymore. The ECU runs the throttle by servo, all the time, no matter what. What you do with your wrist is not always what the ECU does with the actual throttle blades.
Sounds very plausible for the wheelie control, I'm sure that the ecu, in conjunction with the IMU, could simply close the electronic butterfly's as you say. The traction control feels like it still uses ignition timing in conjunction with closing the throttle. I can't really feel a hard cut these days, but it definitely feels like there's something going on ignition wise.👍
@@tankslapmoto9999 The most instant way to stop engine torque is to stop combustion, for sure. That's usually ignition (various methods that is implemented). Closing primary throttle blades would still take a bit of time to produce reduced torque through the whole system. But as a rule, TBW controls are 100% by servo, and input from all the other sensors factors into computer throttle mapping. It's sort of been a doubled edge sword since TBW became a thing. On one hand you can map power modes, implement cruise control, operate a type of traction control. On the other hand, manufacturers are using TBW for emissions and noise regs, speed caps, per-gear emissions/power limits, and as a secondary issue (due to fuel-cut regulations) the on/off throttle feel is often choppy and puts shock through the drivetrain. Manufacturers are getting better at all the calibrations but you still cannot get around mandatory emissions and noise regs. That's where aftermarket comes in.
It is all very interesting. People say oh they'd be unrideable with a 1:1 throttle map, but I am not so sure. I suppose it allows the manufacturers to implement their modes and sell a bike that appeals to a broader audience, new riders and experienced alike (plus, as you say, they can throttle map for each gear to appease noise and emissions regs). I have a Tenere 700 with a good old-fashioned cable throttle, it definitely feels more natural to me.
@@tankslapmoto9999 Well for one thing, it was less costly to manufacturer, that'd for doggone sure.
_With the APSG, the degree of throttle opening is detected by a sensor and magnet and reflected with signals to the throttle valve motor. For good operational feel, the APSG is comprised of a spring, slider and gear and produces varying degrees of friction (resistance) to recreate a natural throttle feel during use._
All of that had to be R&D, part-sourced, prototyped, tested, calibrated, re-tested, a heap of new part numbers created, and finally absorbed at corporate Yamaha's factory as increased overhead expenses trickling down through everything they ultimately sell.
Or we could just pop a cable on a pulley, turn a screw, and send it out the door.
The level of technocratic bureaucracy that is being layered and layered and layered on motorcycles these days is ridiculous, promising a better experience and keeping everyone safe from the dangerous motorcycle engine. The earth is safer from the motorcycle engine. The rider is safer from the motorcycle engine. The neighbors next door are safer from the motorcycle engine. My goodness, without this powerhouse top tier heavy duty computer controlling this motorcycle engine, you'd be sure to die every single time you went for a ride.
I have exact same bike; I ride tcs 2 mode 2 lid 2 and for me it’s insane still. I’m afraid to turn off the lift control 😬
But it will be fun....😀 the throttle connection is really good on the mt09 so im sure you will find it easy to modulate, you can always drag a bit of rear brake as well to tame it down.
Does anyone know if the 2022 MT09 have a quick shifter and wheelie control? I know the SP does just didn't know what all was different from the two? Looking to purchase one and was unsure which one to buy. Thanks for any help.
Hi, yes all Mt09 models have bi directional quick shifter and wheelie control. The difference is mainly aesthetics (paint scheme, brushed alloy swingarm) plus the SP gets cruise control.
@@tankslapmoto9999 don't forget about he kyb and ohlins
@@joet7360 :D
@@tankslapmoto9999 As far as I know, the motorcycle stays on the synth until 4th gear, but after 4th it can throw it back. And lift control is disabled after 30-40 seconds, if you slap the clutch the lift control will keep holding your bike, some of them don't, it's not a good idea to slap the clutch if you don't know how to make a wheel, and always keep your foot on the rear brake
@@cemalsp I did purchase a 2021 MT09 and not sure about the lift control cause even on lift 2 seems like it is going to loop and I actually have to control it with rear brake. Thought I read that it's not supposed to let the bike go past 45 degree angle?
I have the non SP edition and have the same modes. What does level 2, and 3 look like? I’m not a fan of wheelies and honestly this bike scares the shit out of me and I have been riding since 2008.
It should be pretty planted in level 2 and glued to the ground in level 3, enjoy👍
Hello Valentino, I'm looking to purchase the MT09 2022 and not the SP. It has wheelie control and quick shifter? If so the only two things are different is cruise control and suspension? Any advice would be helpful thank you.
@@stevejohnson7865 Yes, features found in mt 09 sp 2022, cruise control wheel stabilizer öhlins and kyb suspension colors quick shifter up down
Vidieo sustitulafo en español??
So in other words it even makes riders who can't wheelie look like wheelie kings
Not really because you're chasing out wheelies until you hit the rev limiter where as with clutch ups you can control the speed you're going and maintain it
It limits speed of lift so it won't spit out on you it's great for confidence. It will flip but gives you time to think so u can prevent it. I can ride my mto9 like a unicycle so it builds confidence safely.
@@redactedrider7606 yeah I know you can shift mid wheelie
@@redactedrider7606 exactly correct
It gives you protection against looping.....the bike makes you look like a lot better rider than what you are.....ask me how I know.
Jealous of the windshield, Aussie Yamaha shop still says out of stock.
Still waiting for mine in France, waiting since May 😭
Wait for the Puig ones! I think they look really good. The short one just released on revzilla but it was oos instantly. I'm going for the tourer one that I preordered from a dealer.
@@hendrxx_ saw them, don't like it, in my opinion, at the moment, only the Yam looks good 🤷♂️
@@americadanyus ah shame I really enjoy the mantis look. I know it’s not for everyone but their wind protection is proven especially at my height
I do 2nd gear clutch ups on mine with lif and tsc in lvl 1, the bike comes up high but have not tested if she will flipp 😅 sure feels like it will 😅
Don’t test it, it will lol
@@TommyTheMuhFuckinChooChooTrain i figured it will 😅 keep the foot on that rear brake 😅😅
Have you experimented with clutching on any other settings? Does TC settings seem to hinder clutching?
Guess not if you keep your weight on front of the bike like leaning forward..?
Ive had a gen 1 2014 since new.. has no abs no traction control.. and is tuned to 140hp.. full power on tap. Allows u to ride the bike a learn it properly how to use power.. not ride around thinking ur fast with all those electronic assists to help these new riders..
bro can i use the lift 1 for clutch up wheelie?
Not in my experience, need Lif off for clutch ups. Maybe if you were super aggressive it would come up but it would be a little hard on the clutch, plus I don't think you'd get it up anywhere near the balance point with Lif on👍
@@tankslapmoto9999 thank you bro , i am newbie for wheelie.. as of now i am using lift 1 for power wheelie, maybe i will practice soon for clutch up.
does the lift control apply on clutch up wheelies?
Yes, much better to turn it off for clutch ups👍
Is that reading mph or km?
Mph
@@tankslapmoto9999 redline in 1st is over 60!? I’m trading my bike in for an 09!
What windscreen is that?
Factory accessory Yamaha meter cover.
@@RevolverMaxx thanks been trying to buy it but can't find it anywhere
My bike has 1900 miles on and will not wheelie at all unless you slip the clutch
Also it accelerates kinda sluggess out of the hole until you get moving a bit ?
Something doesn't sound right there, mine would power wheelie in 3rd gear... assume you have turned the systems off (it feels like a different bike with Lif off and TCS off, or on 1). The only other thing might be if you have changed the exhaust, they can loose a lot of power if you don't have the right exhaust/enough back pressure... (stuby cans or no silencer type exhausts are a bit of a no no without a remap).
with the traction control off, this lif doesnt works i think
That is correct👍
Love my mt09 and honestly kinda wish it didn’t have lift control. I’ve never wheelied before besides small power wheelies on a Honda rebel I had. With the lift control I quickly started doing crazy power wheelies and I’ve never had to use the rear brake. It’s fun and all but now my perception of how a wheelie should feel without lift control is bad. I tried a 2nd gear power wheelie without lift control on and the front tire came up so fast it scared the shit outa me. Now if I wanna learn wheelies I gotta relearn from scratch.
Hey, interesting comment, the bikes definitely more fun with it all turned off, I have never really got used to riding with that stuff on but I can see how you'd have to recalibrate your throttle hand. I guess if Lif control allows Yamaha to safely sell the bike then I'm all for it, provided it can be turned off 😉 I kinda feel the same way about all these rider modes, I just pick one and stick with it.
Its lifT controle
It's lifT control 😉
Video is completely wrong. According to Yamaha it limits the lift speed. When I'm in ride mode 1 I can reach balance point quite quickly and yes u can go over. I've done maybe 500 wheelies on the mto9 and I can start in first and hit balance point by 70kmh shift to second get it back up shift to third hit around 170kmh and have to use brake to drop back down. Lift is in 1 traction is in 1.
Are you saying that you have looped yours over?
It never comes nowhere near balance point with wheelie control on setting 1. Unless you consider that 45-50 angle as a balance point.
Scary place for tests.. Yikes... 🤣
Bro you trying to blow that thing up! hitting the rev limiter 😩
Sometimes you just gotta Let 'er Rip!
The MT-09 can handle that perfectly.
Seen so many bikes hitting that limiter without any problems after years
Lol dude what? It's japonese it can do that all day
The rev limiter is there to stop it blowing up, can hit it all day, not the best or fastest way to ride but won't damage anything
This system is a trash.
Why?