This Hornby 7200 class tank engine is decent which is all I can say but the mechanism I cannot complain. Its mechanism is pretty good because it is easy and simple to maintain Sam.
After years of watching your channel I've come to the decision that the most beautiful locos are the big tank engines, as the Prairires, the Pacifics and this Mikado. They are perfect to be seen in side view, so powerful but compact and complete, no tender but still a great bunker, with the water tanks that cover only from ½ to ⅔ of the boiler, and the crew more protected overhead, better if with coloured and lined livery than black. But also the GER A55 Decapod is beautiful, even if so differently shaped. So I really appreciated today's review, not that much for the model but surely for the prototype.
I thought the 4MT tank or the A5 Tank engine were big. This is a big engine. I have learned something from you. When it comes to trains or any merch in general. Quality and Price is the most important.
Please re-review all of the locos you reviewed years back. Your current standards for reviews is so much better.. Also, comparisons between manufacturers are always interesting. as well as between tooling changes. Please consider adding in brands like Trix, Roco, and Arnold. I recently saw an Arnold N scale shunter diesel wiith a built=in ability to uncouple. It seems to be old tech for Arnold, but I was blown away by how simple it was.
Great looking prototype. At least the big side tanks and bunker gives some scope for adding weight if needed. I just wish that they (or Dapol) would make a GW King and Castle to modern standards together with matching coaches.
I picked up one of these in a train pack with 3 wagons from Hornby for £75 at Gaydon in 2019. Had it all weathered by TMC and myself and sold it on for £160. Wonder where it is today!!!
Hi Sam. I think it’s good to review models again. Looking back at how some models were good, bad , or indifferent. Me personally, I would have sent it back to the supplier for a new model or a refund. As you did with the Hush Hush. Being an older person ( nearly retired ) , you may say that the limited income brigade are more picky. But to be honest, I was brought up to make sure that what I paid for was decent enough. The marks and plastic appearance is something I think should be pointed out to the manufacturers. We are in an age of throw away culture. Although the news says otherwise. But if manufacturers are selling shoddy products, they need to be told. People who say oh that’s ok, are promoting the manufacturers to continue to supply shoddy work. If the model doesn’t live up to the expensive price tag, send it back. I agree they should have a model with less detail available, but Hornby , Bachman etc can always sell the enhancements as an extra for those who want it. When the model is on the layout running around, virtually no one can see the extra fine details. I could go on for a long time about it, but maybe I am just an old fart. Lmao. Anyway, such a great video from you as usual. Enjoyed the content and review. More older models, updated reviews are welcome. Thanks for sharing
Another great review by Sam's Trains! Yeah, I agree that Hornby didn't do a very good job with this, a Mikado tank should be able to pull far more than 22 coaches on straight track, and the weight is very underwhelming. It sure is a looker though, I've always loved the big GWR tank engines. 😃
By the way, you'll be very shockingly surprisingly pleased to happily know that there's a display of various Railway/Railroad company logos @ the B & O Railroad Museum in Baltimore in Maryland with the officially well-known British Railways lion crest bein' exactly 1 of 'em!
I have an out of Canon version of the thomas the tank engine story of tenders and turntables, where sir topham hatt decides none of his big engines need tenders, so he adds tanks on the side of the boilers and a massive coal bunker to eliminate the tender. this loco is the embodiment of that idea
Did you know Sam that the 42xx's wheels have no bearings on the axle. It's really weird that they don't have them, check out the parts list X6564. Cheers Jasper & Willow
I think they may have upgraded the chassis - I seem to remember that they didn't have bearings initially, but both of my 8 coupled GWR tank engines do have them! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
By the way, seeing that this official locomotive certainly happens to basically be officially Great Western Railway designed by Charles Collette just like Duck the Great Western Railway 57OO class pannier tank engine himself, it'll basically be very shockingly surprisingly clear for the engines that officially work on Duck the Great Western Railway 57OO class pannier tank engine's own official Branch Line that runs from Tidmouth all the way to Arlseburgh known as the Little Western due to their own official Great Western heritage!
Yeah me too, I would love a video about them. I got some, the LNER P2, S&DJR 2P, LMS 4F and the L&YR Pug. I love these models, but with the exception of the Pug I paid top dollar to get em and I gotta say, I'm not too impressed by their detail and features. I didn't know this 72xx was one as well, but at least it has a good mechanism (unlike the P2)
Hi Sam, this is the second release of the model. The first had moulded smokebox dart and no bearings. The feedback was so bad they modified it for the second release
On the minus side, not a tank engine I'd buy, but she is Great Western. On the plus side, show me a Great Western engine hard at work, and I'll show you why I love her so much.
my biggest argument against model trains is 1 word, hotwheels you can buy a die-cast model car with great paint, graphics, and details for the scale for
I think this actual class was modified in real history after the larger cylinder upgrades of the 42xx? Resulting in a raised section over the cylinders on the running plate. Which is not depicted in the model? Looking forward to seeing how 7200 comes out once preserved. So maybe wait for a retooled version or another more detailed from Bachmann?
I distinctly remember reading a magazine article regarding Hornby and “design clever”. Even then they were talking about cost pressures. The cutting back on separate pieces was also mentioned explicitly, which was my biggest worry. Or it would have been if I was modelling in 00. Fair review Sam, all the best.
I personally just suddenly realized that the locomotive that you're reviewing throughout the video certainly happens to basically have an official Mikado (2-8-2)wheel configuration! In fact, it's basically quite clear to me that this locomotive certainly would basically make an official episode of Thomas and the rail tours featuring this official G W R class 72xx Mikado type of steam-driven railway tank engine that officially reviewing the pros alongside the cons of the model!
Classic case of old Hornby having decent mechanisms and poorer bodies whilst the reverse was true with Bachmann! Not sure whether the metal slidebars are parallel behind the cylinders ?
I fitted lead sheets in the water side tanks and makes a huge improvement to its haulage performance, however as mine was the 1st issue without wheel bearings, its worn itself out very quickly.
A quick one. Please review some older southern models again, GWR are toooooooooo common, lmao. Being a southern softie, diesels and electric are my era.
Thank you Sam! I think that it will help evaluate engine performance (especially long wheel configurations) if you test them going back and forth trough points switching to see if they have any derailment or other issues .
PS: I've just noticed your alias: great stuff! Class 56xx - now, that's one magnificantly odd-looking loco, which I just had to have too. It's a "must-have" for any self-respecting, Valleys boy with an interest in local industrial history/railways
Awesome video! I have the cousin of one of these, a 42XX I bought second hand for £25. I love it! Very powerful, smooth and reliable. I suspect someone has added weight to it, but regardless, a lovely loco!
In fairness to the manufacturer, once there's any glue or paint on it, the plastic can't be recycled. (Of course, that doesn't justify selling it at a premium price.)
Decent review here Sam, interesting looking tank engine and certainly interesting seeing a tank engine that is quite large, unrelated to this model but I have just got a great model recently, it’s one of the EFE rail class 58s in the coal sector livery to go with my rake of 25 hornby HAA hopper wagons.
I use Kadee couplings on everything, when it comes to couplings I am very fussy, but is that too much to ask for? I don't think so. I have found on a lot of rolling stock that I have had to glue the couplings in place in order to get them to sit at the correct height, this is normally due to the poor design, alignment or height of the NEM pocket. I use hot glue for this.
I agree with you Sam I bought at Wally at the NEC this year I found the steps very very weak and thin on the way to the loco you’re right it’s too light thank you for showing me how to take the body off because I think I’m going to put more weight into my location maybe it’ll grip better but it is a very very light loco and so is the other one in the same class the one without the spare wheel and shorter bunker as I’ve got them both both with the same problem on the steps and very light locos I Was disappointed myself so I agree with you I’ve got to do a lot more to get them pull. And secondhand I got them at £90 each and that was on a trading so luckily I didn’t have to pay any money it was a trained in disappointed But I know I can do the work of waiting it up a bit so I fully agree with you.
If you are looking for big tank locos try the Bachmann 2-6-4T Stanier Fairburn, I have had mine for a very long while now and it is DCC ready. The BR running No on my model is 42096 and is a brilliant runner especially on DCC.
Hi Sam enjoyed the video, as mentioned there is space where the boiler would be, question would an added weight in that space make the pulling capacitity better or would it affect the motor? also could you cover paint over the glue marks? enjoyable as ever.
The J50 cameo was nice. Though I think the western engines look a bit angrier than usual. The Greasly Was Right chanting might have something to do with it.
Hey Sam - but what about the R3404 BR 2-6-4T Fowler Class 4P No. 42334??? It's also a 4MT & drawn back in2002.That is a similar size Loco - what do you think??? 🤔🚂🚂🚂
You make me want to see mine besides my Roco BR 86, same wheel disposition on both, same class of engines (tank engines). I forget my Italian Gr. 941, same type (2-8-2 tank). For today... I'm a fan of the type, and I had a substantial bargain on her, so no complain overall. As is, with a price below GBP 100, this one would made a good railroad model. Someone wanting to make a more decent model of this beauty ?
I seem to remember when this was first marketed and wondered were they worth it. Obviously not. But it would be great if this model was revisited without the “design clever” moniker. But it will probably be a lot more expensive that the Inflation plus 10 quid price. By the way I don’t think “design clever was a bad idea If you had the option to buy separately fitted parts for detailing yourself if you choose to. Does anybody else agree.
Hey Sam, I hope you're having a great day. Seeing as you showed a certain level of enthusiasm towards Märklins A3 Flying Scotsman I would like to bring you some news about it. As you are doubtlessly aware. Märklin itself uses an AC triple pickup system. Where the center pegs are used to pick up electricity and the outside rails to ground the engine. Meaning you can't run Märklin engines on your Hornby layout. However there may be a way around that issue. You see, a couple of years ago, Märklin bought out their rival Trix. Eversince this, Trix has been using a two rail DC pickup system. Meaning those engines should be compatible with your layout. Their pages also often speak of the models having a DCC decoder fitted, which is a good sign towards compatibility. And whilst the couplings aren't the same, they are fitted in a NEM tention lock socket, so should be exchangeable with the ones you use. The model is currently sold out, however if you wish. I could ask around with various local dealers to see if any of them have one in stock and since I have a holiday planned for early August, take it with me and drop it off for your convenience. This way I could bring it over for you to review, as well as add it to your collection and you'd only have to pay for the actual engine itself. Here's a link to the shop page, you'll need to translate it, since it's in German: www.trix.de/de/produkte/details/article/22886/4186?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=4186&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BbrandId%5D=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfilter%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=8&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BnoPaging%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpagesort%5D=artnrasc&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=1000&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=&cHash=b86ce03d2256669e78e45ba8123b221f
Not sure how many are watching this a year later but from a Yankee I have to say that if a locomotive isn't black, it doesn't look right. However, British locomotives that are black don't look right...they should pop with color! What a strange world I live in! 😁
When are manufacturers going to make even bigger tank locos the 4-8-0 T's the 0-8-4Ts the Z class the G16 the h16 etc the U1 garret from LNER which is a tank loco bring rhem on 😊😊
Even though I'm a fan of the 72xx class, I was disappointed with the GWR green model I got from Hattons. She's just far too light, and the detail is more like a Railroad model instead of something in the main range. I also think I paid too much for my model (£120, if I recall correctly). To anyone who is looking to buy a 72xx for yourself, I suggest that you pay no more than £85 or £90 pounds for the engine. As for Hornby's design-clever era, I don't really understand why they did it, especially since the only benefit of getting the main range versions was a fancier livery. I found that out with my LNER 'P2', and I've also got a Railroad range version of 71000 'Duke of Gloucester' because - in that case - I wasn't concerned about which specific version I got.
Great video Sam, I enjoy watching these videos as they are always fun and informative. I think this engine looks very nice, and the model isn't TERRIBLE but yeah they have a few improvements to make on other 7200 Class models. By the way, I think you should do a review on Hornby's chainlink couplings. :)
Truthfully, it looks pretty good. poorly priced but seems a rather nice locomotive otherwise. shame they could not be bothered to put some ballast blocks in it to double its weight. but if it was at the right price, i think there is always going to be a market for a good looking yet no frills model that can serve as a starting point for people getting into the hobby yet continue to look good as they get other higher end stuff. Detail wise, i imagine they did this specific design on purpose, a basic black locomotive is likely a lot cheaper to produce. question on the chassis: was it common to the other large tank engines from Hornby? the ones the 72xx were based on? that would save a ton of money if they can reuse existing tooling and parts. makes the price even more objectionable i think.
Sad to say that the model was too light. I ended up putting a lot of lead into the body of the model. Ideally, if the weight went up, and the gearing went down, it stood to be a very good model indeed.
72xx's are my favorite British "Mikado" Locomotive only because British Mikados are an oddity and so a Mikado Tank Engine is more interesting. 7200's don't deserve a bad model for what they are.
Personally, I wish Hornby returned to design clever to be honest. From my experience, the prices have since doubled and the quality control is now dubious at best. Getting my Hornby Hall back in 2018(or 17?, can't remember) for $147 AUD was incredible- the loco performed really well straight out of the box and nothing fell off, whilst the detail was even comparable to the more expensive Granges Hornby was selling at the time, and the value seemed irresistable to me even at the time (having not much to spend back then on modelling); if could buy another now, I would- I love that model so much. However, since 2020 I purchased two Hornby locos- each with bits falling off- which has greatly encouraged me to buy from other manufacturers instead, if at all. Besides, despite my relatively young age, I tend to resonate more the the 1950s/60s tradition of model railways where people aimed to functionally model railways- not necessarily using timetables etc., but the principal aim (as a hobby) was its operability, and so long as a loco performed well on the tasks assigned to it and had an adequate likeness to the prototype, it was fine. Modellers also engaged more with "real modelling" constructing (and perhaps even researching) buildings, locomotives and rollingstock, things that fewer and fewer modellers make for themselves. Granted, having everything available off the shelf is perfect for entering the hobby (it's how I started out too), but railway modellers shouldn't be dissuaded from making things themselves both for the personal interaction and the individuality that it brings to one's layout by being different to everyone else's. Ironically, it's the price increases that've set me down this path, as I've built a couple Ratio rollingstock kits and really liked it, particularly building stuff that isn't available R.T.R. (e.g. Ratio LNWR arc roof coaches) and at half the cost. When I get the space for a model railway I'm sure to get a lot more.
I didn’t know this was the largest tank engine in Britain. Is that only due to a technical specification since it’s a 2-8-2? I’d have thought the 9N or Remembrance tank were the biggest, but I guess I don’t know my tank engines well enough.
Lovely fair minded review.This model brought at right price,could be super detail quiet easily .I don't think the br black helps to enhance the model.The coupling could be modified easily. The model in right hands good be made it to a good 7200 tank model
Being a native of the South Wales Valleys and the son of a coal miner, I have a soft spot for anything that was used to move the black gold! I acquired both a 42 & 52 some time ago but couldn't find a 72 at a reasonable price until recently. I'm now the proud owner of a 72 in Great Western livery, bought from Clark Railworks, and am very happy with it. It feels quite heavy, so perhaps the previous owner added some ballast. It runs extremely well and looks the part. Having said that, I fully agree with your review. These locos would be fine if they were in the Railroad range/price bracket. PS: even used models are fetching well over £120, so if they do come back into the range, they'll be priced at around £200, I guess.
I'm really enjoying these re-reviews of some some locomotives you've reviewed in the past. It's interesting to see what you think of them now compared to back then, I hope there are more of these kinds of reviews to come. I really enjoy your video's, keep up the great work Sam!
I would have no problem purchasing lower detailed models, if the mechanism was good and if the prices correctly reflected to lower details. The original price of this did not, in fact it would have been a proper "mugging" of the customer. I still feel its time a manufacturer targeted a proper range for 8 - 15 year olds, and I don't mean Thomas or "play trains" either. It needs to be a range of locos with prices to suit the pocket money of a child. Maybe bring back the 1970s models at low prices?
So only thing this loco is heavyweight in is being featherweight? No wonder they started to use those "traction" wheels rubber bands. Rather than remelt i reckon they could've made massively discounted line of lesser models that nonetheless work fine mechanically (visual imperfection in say fruits and veggies being the archetypical way of doing it). But yes it makes no sense to sell it at premium with blemishes like that.
Funny how this class was the largest tank-loco in Britain, while most EU countries would say its a "medium" size loco.
I know this is off topic, but the songs Sam is choosing for the opening of these videos just are getting better and better
hahaha thank you very much!
@@SamsTrainsSam, where’s the other video.
@@SamsTrainsI said where’s the other video of the 72XX?
@@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001Gone, he takes the old reviews down when he remakes them
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This Hornby 7200 class tank engine is decent which is all I can say but the mechanism I cannot complain. Its mechanism is pretty good because it is easy and simple to maintain Sam.
After years of watching your channel I've come to the decision that the most beautiful locos are the big tank engines, as the Prairires, the Pacifics and this Mikado. They are perfect to be seen in side view, so powerful but compact and complete, no tender but still a great bunker, with the water tanks that cover only from ½ to ⅔ of the boiler, and the crew more protected overhead, better if with coloured and lined livery than black.
But also the GER A55 Decapod is beautiful, even if so differently shaped.
So I really appreciated today's review, not that much for the model but surely for the prototype.
Agreed. My 42, 52 & 72 has pride of place, alongside my P2
I thought the 4MT tank or the A5 Tank engine were big. This is a big engine. I have learned something from you. When it comes to trains or any merch in general. Quality and Price is the most important.
Please re-review all of the locos you reviewed years back. Your current standards for reviews is so much better.. Also, comparisons between manufacturers are always interesting. as well as between tooling changes. Please consider adding in brands like Trix, Roco, and Arnold. I recently saw an Arnold N scale shunter diesel wiith a built=in ability to uncouple. It seems to be old tech for Arnold, but I was blown away by how simple it was.
what a beautiful machine indeed, greetings from the little island out west 🇮🇪
Great looking prototype. At least the big side tanks and bunker gives some scope for adding weight if needed. I just wish that they (or Dapol) would make a GW King and Castle to modern standards together with matching coaches.
I picked up one of these in a train pack with 3 wagons from Hornby for £75 at Gaydon in 2019. Had it all weathered by TMC and myself and sold it on for £160. Wonder where it is today!!!
Hi Sam. I think it’s good to review models again. Looking back at how some models were good, bad , or indifferent. Me personally, I would have sent it back to the supplier for a new model or a refund. As you did with the Hush Hush.
Being an older person ( nearly retired ) , you may say that the limited income brigade are more picky. But to be honest, I was brought up to make sure that what I paid for was decent enough. The marks and plastic appearance is something I think should be pointed out to the manufacturers.
We are in an age of throw away culture. Although the news says otherwise. But if manufacturers are selling shoddy products, they need to be told. People who say oh that’s ok, are promoting the manufacturers to continue to supply shoddy work.
If the model doesn’t live up to the expensive price tag, send it back.
I agree they should have a model with less detail available, but Hornby , Bachman etc can always sell the enhancements as an extra for those who want it.
When the model is on the layout running around, virtually no one can see the extra fine details.
I could go on for a long time about it, but maybe I am just an old fart. Lmao.
Anyway, such a great video from you as usual. Enjoyed the content and review. More older models, updated reviews are welcome. Thanks for sharing
Hey sam have you ever thought about reviewing a Kato N scale starter set? I recently got one and the quality is incredible.
Another great review by Sam's Trains! Yeah, I agree that Hornby didn't do a very good job with this, a Mikado tank should be able to pull far more than 22 coaches on straight track, and the weight is very underwhelming. It sure is a looker though, I've always loved the big GWR tank engines. 😃
Thank you so much! Yeah you're right - not as powerful as it could have been!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
By the way, you'll be very shockingly surprisingly pleased to happily know that there's a display of various Railway/Railroad company logos @ the B & O Railroad Museum in Baltimore in Maryland with the officially well-known British Railways lion crest bein' exactly 1 of 'em!
I have 2 Hornby 42xxs both of them are great performers
That's great to hear - don't think I have the 42, but I do have the 52, and it is decent!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have an out of Canon version of the thomas the tank engine story of tenders and turntables, where sir topham hatt decides none of his big engines need tenders, so he adds tanks on the side of the boilers and a massive coal bunker to eliminate the tender. this loco is the embodiment of that idea
Did you know Sam that the 42xx's wheels have no bearings on the axle. It's really weird that they don't have them, check out the parts list X6564.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Maybe, but mine does... Mine is a model from the original release, maybe that's why? Interesting either way! :)
I think they may have upgraded the chassis - I seem to remember that they didn't have bearings initially, but both of my 8 coupled GWR tank engines do have them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
By the way, seeing that this official locomotive certainly happens to basically be officially Great Western Railway designed by Charles Collette just like Duck the Great Western Railway 57OO class pannier tank engine himself, it'll basically be very shockingly surprisingly clear for the engines that officially work on Duck the Great Western Railway 57OO class pannier tank engine's own official Branch Line that runs from Tidmouth all the way to Arlseburgh known as the Little Western due to their own official Great Western heritage!
I always loved the big tank engines so much.
Picking up on the "design clever" locos, I'd definitely be interested in a video on this!
Yeah me too, I would love a video about them. I got some, the LNER P2, S&DJR 2P, LMS 4F and the L&YR Pug. I love these models, but with the exception of the Pug I paid top dollar to get em and I gotta say, I'm not too impressed by their detail and features. I didn't know this 72xx was one as well, but at least it has a good mechanism (unlike the P2)
Imagine if Dapol would attempt the design, like they did with the Manor, 4300, Large Prairie, and the 2800
haha I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, this is the second release of the model. The first had moulded smokebox dart and no bearings. The feedback was so bad they modified it for the second release
Looks so cool. I want one. Anyway keep being awesome. I wish i had that much trains. I envy you
Thank you so much, haha it's a lot of work to look after them... don't envy me too much!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
On the minus side, not a tank engine I'd buy, but she is Great Western. On the plus side, show me a Great Western engine hard at work, and I'll show you why I love her so much.
Thanks for sharing Kelly - that's good to hear!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hornby selling a a cheaper loco at a “Hornby” price? Say it isn’t so!!!!! Keep bringing it out and holding manufacturers to account!
Hi Sam remember me can I say smth I'm your biggest fan
Me too
That's awesome - thanks for your kind support! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
my biggest argument against model trains is 1 word, hotwheels
you can buy a die-cast model car with great paint, graphics, and details for the scale for
I think this actual class was modified in real history after the larger cylinder upgrades of the 42xx? Resulting in a raised section over the cylinders on the running plate. Which is not depicted in the model? Looking forward to seeing how 7200 comes out once preserved. So maybe wait for a retooled version or another more detailed from Bachmann?
ah, nice! Not every day you see a mikado tank engine! (Mikado being a 2-8-2 wheel arrangement)
I distinctly remember reading a magazine article regarding Hornby and “design clever”.
Even then they were talking about cost pressures. The cutting back on separate pieces was also mentioned explicitly, which was my biggest worry. Or it would have been if I was modelling in 00.
Fair review Sam, all the best.
Lovely video once again, Sam! I really like 42/52/72xx's. Thanks for re-visiting it!
I personally just suddenly realized that the locomotive that you're reviewing throughout the video certainly happens to basically have an official Mikado (2-8-2)wheel configuration!
In fact, it's basically quite clear to me that this locomotive certainly would basically make an official episode of Thomas and the rail tours featuring this official G W R class 72xx Mikado type of steam-driven railway tank engine that officially reviewing the pros alongside the cons of the model!
Classic case of old Hornby having decent mechanisms and poorer bodies whilst the reverse was true with Bachmann! Not sure whether the metal slidebars are parallel behind the cylinders ?
Nice video Sam very good camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video bye for now Philip
Thanks very much Philip, that's very kind of you!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
At least the Hornby 72xx has a decent mechanism particularly it’s even got a fly wheel
Yeah exactly - it's a very decent mechanism!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Interesting re-review! Would a bit of 'Liquid Gravity' in the boiler front end and bunker help the performance?
I fitted lead sheets in the water side tanks and makes a huge improvement to its haulage performance, however as mine was the 1st issue without wheel bearings, its worn itself out very quickly.
Love the Horby 52xx, I have three, and they are lovely.
Totally agree. I have all 3 (42, 52 & 72).
A quick one. Please review some older southern models again, GWR are toooooooooo common, lmao. Being a southern softie, diesels and electric are my era.
Thank you Sam! I think that it will help evaluate engine performance (especially long wheel configurations) if you test them going back and forth trough points switching to see if they have any derailment or other issues .
I love your model train videos! Btw do you know any model railway kits that I could get on a budget?
Are you going to make more 3d models. I would like to see a custom designed steam locomotive of yours.
Interesting review, Sam. I have two Hornby 72xx's and a 42xx and they're some of my favourite locos I have...
Yep. My 42 (late crest), 52 (early logo) & 72 (Great Western lettering) trio are some of my favourites.
PS: I've just noticed your alias: great stuff! Class 56xx - now, that's one magnificantly odd-looking loco, which I just had to have too. It's a "must-have" for any self-respecting, Valleys boy with an interest in local industrial history/railways
I have NEVER seen any 00 Loco pull 22 coaches . you should have a more realistic strength test
Such a coincidence I was watching a video about this loco earlier today
Awesome video! I have the cousin of one of these, a 42XX I bought second hand for £25. I love it! Very powerful, smooth and reliable. I suspect someone has added weight to it, but regardless, a lovely loco!
Blimey - how on earth did you get one for £25!? That's a crazy bargain!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Blimey, that really was a bargain!
Hi Sam, I found the odd one out. Is it the LNER j50?
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Very well spotted!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
In fairness to the manufacturer, once there's any glue or paint on it, the plastic can't be recycled. (Of course, that doesn't justify selling it at a premium price.)
Decent review here Sam, interesting looking tank engine and certainly interesting seeing a tank engine that is quite large, unrelated to this model but I have just got a great model recently, it’s one of the EFE rail class 58s in the coal sector livery to go with my rake of 25 hornby HAA hopper wagons.
Ahh very interesting David - how do you like the 58??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Plan on getting two one as is and one to convert into a Thomas character.
But waiting sales being a penny pincer
Hornby are now using shrinkflation or TT:120 as they prefer to call it 😊
I use Kadee couplings on everything, when it comes to couplings I am very fussy, but is that too much to ask for? I don't think so. I have found on a lot of rolling stock that I have had to glue the couplings in place in order to get them to sit at the correct height, this is normally due to the poor design, alignment or height of the NEM pocket. I use hot glue for this.
I agree with you Sam I bought at Wally at the NEC this year I found the steps very very weak and thin on the way to the loco you’re right it’s too light thank you for showing me how to take the body off because I think I’m going to put more weight into my location maybe it’ll grip better but it is a very very light loco and so is the other one in the same class the one without the spare wheel and shorter bunker as I’ve got them both both with the same problem on the steps and very light locos I Was disappointed myself so I agree with you I’ve got to do a lot more to get them pull. And secondhand I got them at £90 each and that was on a trading so luckily I didn’t have to pay any money it was a trained in disappointed But I know I can do the work of waiting it up a bit so I fully agree with you.
If you are looking for big tank locos try the Bachmann 2-6-4T Stanier Fairburn, I have had mine for a very long while now and it is DCC ready. The BR running No on my model is 42096 and is a brilliant runner especially on DCC.
Hi Sam enjoyed the video, as mentioned there is space where the boiler would be, question would an added weight in that space make the pulling capacitity better or would it affect the motor? also could you cover paint over the glue marks? enjoyable as ever.
The J50 cameo was nice. Though I think the western engines look a bit angrier than usual. The Greasly Was Right chanting might have something to do with it.
this engine would look good in olive drab green and ww2 military markings. It could also use american couplers
Rosegold draincocks and whistle, must be the Valentines day edition.
Hey Sam - but what about the R3404 BR 2-6-4T Fowler Class 4P No. 42334??? It's also a 4MT & drawn back in2002.That is a similar size Loco - what do you think??? 🤔🚂🚂🚂
£197 certainly sounds like what Hornby would price it nowadays. Currently the M7 is £193.99 and the Fowler 4P is £189.99 (both on pre order)
You make me want to see mine besides my Roco BR 86, same wheel disposition on both, same class of engines (tank engines). I forget my Italian Gr. 941, same type (2-8-2 tank).
For today... I'm a fan of the type, and I had a substantial bargain on her, so no complain overall. As is, with a price below GBP 100, this one would made a good railroad model. Someone wanting to make a more decent model of this beauty ?
Thanks a lot for sharing Oliver - if it was a bargain then that sounds great!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I seem to remember when this was first marketed and wondered were they worth it. Obviously not. But it would be great if this model was revisited without the “design clever” moniker. But it will probably be a lot more expensive that the Inflation plus 10 quid price. By the way I don’t think “design clever was a bad idea If you had the option to buy separately fitted parts for detailing yourself if you choose to. Does anybody else agree.
Hey Sam,
I hope you're having a great day.
Seeing as you showed a certain level of enthusiasm towards Märklins A3 Flying Scotsman I would like to bring you some news about it.
As you are doubtlessly aware. Märklin itself uses an AC triple pickup system. Where the center pegs are used to pick up electricity and the outside rails to ground the engine. Meaning you can't run Märklin engines on your Hornby layout.
However there may be a way around that issue. You see, a couple of years ago, Märklin bought out their rival Trix.
Eversince this, Trix has been using a two rail DC pickup system. Meaning those engines should be compatible with your layout. Their pages also often speak of the models having a DCC decoder fitted, which is a good sign towards compatibility. And whilst the couplings aren't the same, they are fitted in a NEM tention lock socket, so should be exchangeable with the ones you use.
The model is currently sold out, however if you wish. I could ask around with various local dealers to see if any of them have one in stock and since I have a holiday planned for early August, take it with me and drop it off for your convenience. This way I could bring it over for you to review, as well as add it to your collection and you'd only have to pay for the actual engine itself.
Here's a link to the shop page, you'll need to translate it, since it's in German: www.trix.de/de/produkte/details/article/22886/4186?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=4186&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BbrandId%5D=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfilter%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=8&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BnoPaging%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpagesort%5D=artnrasc&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=1000&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=&cHash=b86ce03d2256669e78e45ba8123b221f
hey sam. great video..........i am new to model trains can you suggest me some cheap modle trains
Not sure how many are watching this a year later but from a Yankee I have to say that if a locomotive isn't black, it doesn't look right. However, British locomotives that are black don't look right...they should pop with color! What a strange world I live in! 😁
When are manufacturers going to make even bigger tank locos the 4-8-0 T's the 0-8-4Ts the Z class the G16 the h16 etc the U1 garret from LNER which is a tank loco bring rhem on 😊😊
Hmmm ... probably not much use for reversing a train with the coupler the way it is?
Even though I'm a fan of the 72xx class, I was disappointed with the GWR green model I got from Hattons. She's just far too light, and the detail is more like a Railroad model instead of something in the main range. I also think I paid too much for my model (£120, if I recall correctly).
To anyone who is looking to buy a 72xx for yourself, I suggest that you pay no more than £85 or £90 pounds for the engine.
As for Hornby's design-clever era, I don't really understand why they did it, especially since the only benefit of getting the main range versions was a fancier livery. I found that out with my LNER 'P2', and I've also got a Railroad range version of 71000 'Duke of Gloucester' because - in that case - I wasn't concerned about which specific version I got.
Great video Sam, I enjoy watching these videos as they are always fun and informative. I think this engine looks very nice, and the model isn't TERRIBLE but yeah they have a few improvements to make on other 7200 Class models.
By the way, I think you should do a review on Hornby's chainlink couplings. :)
Didn’t they do a price drop on this model a few years ago in a release
Sam did you receive your Chinese C80 coal hopper? When will we see the review for it.
I have received it! It's now on my review list :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Truthfully, it looks pretty good. poorly priced but seems a rather nice locomotive otherwise. shame they could not be bothered to put some ballast blocks in it to double its weight. but if it was at the right price, i think there is always going to be a market for a good looking yet no frills model that can serve as a starting point for people getting into the hobby yet continue to look good as they get other higher end stuff.
Detail wise, i imagine they did this specific design on purpose, a basic black locomotive is likely a lot cheaper to produce.
question on the chassis: was it common to the other large tank engines from Hornby? the ones the 72xx were based on? that would save a ton of money if they can reuse existing tooling and parts. makes the price even more objectionable i think.
The new P2 is out by the way finally.
Sad to say that the model was too light. I ended up putting a lot of lead into the body of the model. Ideally, if the weight went up, and the gearing went down, it stood to be a very good model indeed.
72xx's are my favorite British "Mikado" Locomotive only because British Mikados are an oddity and so a Mikado Tank Engine is more interesting. 7200's don't deserve a bad model for what they are.
Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive
Personally, I wish Hornby returned to design clever to be honest. From my experience, the prices have since doubled and the quality control is now dubious at best. Getting my Hornby Hall back in 2018(or 17?, can't remember) for $147 AUD was incredible- the loco performed really well straight out of the box and nothing fell off, whilst the detail was even comparable to the more expensive Granges Hornby was selling at the time, and the value seemed irresistable to me even at the time (having not much to spend back then on modelling); if could buy another now, I would- I love that model so much. However, since 2020 I purchased two Hornby locos- each with bits falling off- which has greatly encouraged me to buy from other manufacturers instead, if at all. Besides, despite my relatively young age, I tend to resonate more the the 1950s/60s tradition of model railways where people aimed to functionally model railways- not necessarily using timetables etc., but the principal aim (as a hobby) was its operability, and so long as a loco performed well on the tasks assigned to it and had an adequate likeness to the prototype, it was fine. Modellers also engaged more with "real modelling" constructing (and perhaps even researching) buildings, locomotives and rollingstock, things that fewer and fewer modellers make for themselves. Granted, having everything available off the shelf is perfect for entering the hobby (it's how I started out too), but railway modellers shouldn't be dissuaded from making things themselves both for the personal interaction and the individuality that it brings to one's layout by being different to everyone else's. Ironically, it's the price increases that've set me down this path, as I've built a couple Ratio rollingstock kits and really liked it, particularly building stuff that isn't available R.T.R. (e.g. Ratio LNWR arc roof coaches) and at half the cost. When I get the space for a model railway I'm sure to get a lot more.
If Hornby did ever bring this back I would for sure get it, but I wouldn't pay alot for it.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah me too - I'd love to see one in green! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Isn’t that Mikado wheel configuration
Maybe Hornby UK should inspect models before they are sent out, and then things like the glue marks would be stopped before getting to customers.
Re the weight issue, could some weights be fitted inside the tanks?
That is a big tank i have the smaller brother the class 42xx.
I have three of these ,bought mint boxed for just over fifty pounds each , heavily weathered they work fine
Nice loco Br black is not a bad colour 👍😊👍🤩
It's not bad at all - though I do prefer the greens myself!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I didn’t know this was the largest tank engine in Britain. Is that only due to a technical specification since it’s a 2-8-2? I’d have thought the 9N or Remembrance tank were the biggest, but I guess I don’t know my tank engines well enough.
Sam said the largest GWR tank engine, not the largest in Britain.
I do plan on getting a 72XX one day
Also I look forward to the 3 surviving 72XX’s returning to service soon
Super unusual design, definitely like it, not saying the model is good though.
Strange though they made the rear truck work, something Hornby tell is impossible on a Pacific!
I like it but for an 8F, the lack of weight would put me off. I'd want it to pull a long train
Lovely fair minded review.This model brought at right price,could be super detail quiet easily .I don't think the br black helps to enhance the model.The coupling could be modified easily. The model in right hands good be made it to a good 7200 tank model
Hola buenas tardes sam s excelente video muy linda locomotora abrazo grande
Thanks for your lovely comments Miguel!
I may be wrong but the furrness 115 tank engine’s were bigger
Great video tho
Being a native of the South Wales Valleys and the son of a coal miner, I have a soft spot for anything that was used to move the black gold!
I acquired both a 42 & 52 some time ago but couldn't find a 72 at a reasonable price until recently.
I'm now the proud owner of a 72 in Great Western livery, bought from Clark Railworks, and am very happy with it.
It feels quite heavy, so perhaps the previous owner added some ballast.
It runs extremely well and looks the part.
Having said that, I fully agree with your review. These locos would be fine if they were in the Railroad range/price bracket.
PS: even used models are fetching well over £120, so if they do come back into the range, they'll be priced at around £200, I guess.
I'm really enjoying these re-reviews of some some locomotives you've reviewed in the past. It's interesting to see what you think of them now compared to back then, I hope there are more of these kinds of reviews to come. I really enjoy your video's, keep up the great work Sam!
Have any more key staff left the Big H so far this month - just asking 😵😵💫🤪
I don't know about biggest tanks. The GCR 8Ns & LSWR G16s were beasts as well.
I would have no problem purchasing lower detailed models, if the mechanism was good and if the prices correctly reflected to lower details. The original price of this did not, in fact it would have been a proper "mugging" of the customer.
I still feel its time a manufacturer targeted a proper range for 8 - 15 year olds, and I don't mean Thomas or "play trains" either. It needs to be a range of locos with prices to suit the pocket money of a child. Maybe bring back the 1970s models at low prices?
So only thing this loco is heavyweight in is being featherweight?
No wonder they started to use those "traction" wheels rubber bands.
Rather than remelt i reckon they could've made massively discounted line of lesser models that nonetheless work fine mechanically (visual imperfection in say fruits and veggies being the archetypical way of doing it). But yes it makes no sense to sell it at premium with blemishes like that.
That's cool
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
noob question , is this still available anywhere to buy new? really want one for my micro layout
So Gordon took Thomas's advice
If only it had been better quality, knowing hornby they’d love to bring back this quality of models for higher price