I managed to pick one of these up from a local shop a few days ago, and I've got to say I think yours is an unfortunate case of a "Friday evening" job. Mine's really well assembled and the painting is exactly how it should be. There's one glue mark on top of the boiler but it's hidden by the detail that's holding it on unless you hold it at a very specific angle and know where to look for it. The details on the model are phenomenal, and it absolutely outclasses practically every other loco I own on that front As for the wobbly running, it's actually somewhat realistic. 1501 in real life is a poorly balanced loco by it's inherent design and does throw itself about quite violently as it runs, though I will say that by model standards the rocking is a little excessive. It does make it more interesting to watch running past though, especially on less than perfect trackwork
I will check my two models for those potential problems when I would have them on hand? i know now where to look, hoping to have not such assembly mishaps. At best, the glue marks had been seen by other RUclipsrs on their own models, but the chimney and the stripped paint are a first here, as far as I know. And even if my models will turn fine, that does not excuse such a variation in quality along the production batch.
No doubt this is worse than others yeah, but unfortunately this is a theme with the 15xx, as there are multiple reports of poor quality examples, and I've seen photos of far worse glue than mine. You did very well to get a good example though, I'm glad you did! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Considering that these are made in China in what are probably 18 hour shifts, 7 days a week, I would say its more of a case of an "exhausted and malnourished" job. At these prices, they could afford UK labor rates and not put a significant dent in their margins.
@@htomerif Firstly fact both wages and conditions in China are nowhere near as poor as you portray! Yes 25 years ago maybe, but the simple fact is that as the country industrialised and embraced high technology industries, the expectations of it citizens has increased - and the ruling Communist party know that if peoples expectations regrading better wages / working conditions are not met then the resultant anger could eventually boil over into to dissatisfaction with the party itself and threaten the Communists very grip on power! Effectively the deal is this - the Communist party say " you don't question our authority and we will in turn give you the cash to live a comfortable 'western' style life" and its a deal the population are very happy to go along with. Secondly even though Chinese wages / costs have gone up significantly over the past decade (around 20-30% IIRC) , because they were starting from a very low base they are still massive cheaper than in the UK (even if UK costs have only gone up by 10% in the same period). You forget that because modellers demand huge amounts of separately fitted detail and fine printing assembling the parts is a SKILLED job much akin to watchmaking or Jewellery making in technique and certainly something which will command way more than the minimum wage.
@@OlivierGabin And Rapido are not trying to excuse them! Rapido know that the sort of quality issues people have been highlighting to them are not acceptable and I have no doubt strong words will be had with their partners in China as to why this state of affairs was allowed to arise. If you have a time machine handy I'm sure Rapido would love to borrow it....
You were unlucky with your model of the Rapido 15xx. I received mine earlier today and have just finished running it in. It had none of the problems you mentioned - no glue marks, a correctly fitted funnel, no bent steps or other fittings and no rocking or hunting even at scale speeds of over 60 mph. I am well pleased with my model.
The one loco I decided I needed. Mine did not have any of the build quality issues that yours has. It does state in the instructions that you should run it in for 1 hour in each direction. All in all a very good model. I enjoy your reviews, you give an honest opinion of the model you have bought. Regards, Alan.
Thank you for the review, Sam. I'm sorry your locomotive had problems with build quality. I cannot fault this on my recently purchased locomotive. It's a real beauty! Other than making sure that it runs forwards and backwards, I have not had it running on the track, as yet but I am extremely pleased with what I have seen so far, particularly as I purchased it by accident!
I was conflicted regarding this model. Being a GWR fan, I wanted it, even though it's an ugly duckling. But I've already spent my loco buying budget for 2023 so was hesitating. Your review has helped me to stay within my budget! Keep up the good work.
There's nothing wrong with mine, a sister to your sample. Runs beautifully, slowly and smoothly straight out of the box. 'Wobble'? Well short wheelbase switchers or shunters have a funny habit of doing that in reality. Lovely engine, bought on Saturday and am very pleased with it.
2 details missing are the tiny foot grip plates on the tops of the buffer stocks and the tank lifting rings do have triangular plates with 3 rivets holding them on underneath. An easy fix for some, as is turning a new chimney and turning some new whistles out on the Unimat at the full speed of 4000 revs.
I am guessing that the sideways wobble is due to inconsistent back-to-back gauging. It was a usual problem with the early Hornby liner Pacifics and triang locos. I think your gadwall and maybe some of your triang locos are wobblers. I think the gearing is far too fast on the 15xx which doesn’t help as that affects the crawl. Try running the loco upside down and look for the wheels wandering about. Then, you can press them at the wide spot. It usually helps crawling, tracking, and overall smoothness a lot!
You're more forgiving than I would have been. Considering all the defects on your model I would have returned it for a new one. A grade of B was very generous in my opinion. I ordered the 1505 last Friday and it should arrive in the next 2 days. Hope the quality isn't as bad as your experience was.
I have purchased two of these. Both models are of good build quality, without the faults yours has. I am delighted with them and they are both excellent runners, straight from the box.
It's basically a toy train set - I'd rather see tests on a layout such as Little Bytham: scale curves etc, hauling authentic trains. Sam seems to forget that 14-on was about the normal maximum number of carriages on Britain's expresses (26 being the record, hauled by a V2). He seems to require totally out of scale power from his locomotives. And, of course, ALL steam suffered up gradients, hence the use of bankers...
Hi Sam - the wiggle is prototypical - a function of the short wheelbase, they were designed for the tight curves of docks and industrial sidings. The performance is also realistic curves and gradients slowed down the real thing quite noticeably - just look at some of the videos on the web. But a good review generally.
most steam engines have a degree of wiggle due to the power being put through the connecting rods onto the wheels, when the rod is not exactly in line with the centre line of the cylinder the force will give a vertical force. of course the bigger the loco and longer the rods are the less this effect is visible. Locos with short con rods like the 43xx and 45xx classes have a very visible wiggle especially when starting. The prototype 1501 is actually quite stable even when running at relatively high speeds. When she first started running at the SVR the Pway were expecting a sharp rise in track defects but this wasn't the case.
Hi Sam. You said that the quality of the assembly is unacceptable and I would agree. That said, I would return it to the retailer, but would accept a replacement on the proviso that the retailer ensures the replacement is assembled properly. I didn't notice that the firebox glow flickered; did it? One thing that I find inexcusable is that the valve gear, etc., wasn't fully made of metal; if one feature should never be made of plastic, then this is it.
Due to being plastic, as I've stated a couple of times above, the return crank actually has the four bolts modelled that hold it to the wheel. This is the first time I've ever seen it in 00 - even in hand-built one-off models.
Sam - you tell it as it is, I suspect some other 'reviewers' don't.... enough said. Hopefully this was a one off - please post a follow up if / when you gain a replacement. Thank you for your honest and trustworthy reviews
Great vlog as always, Remember some proper locos stalled on the Lickey I think it's more realistic to slow. I use to work on BR and the amount of time we stuck trying to get out front Colliery yards.
Well said - remember that Sam seems to know next to nothing about prototype operations, and yet feels fit to comment on and review models of the things.
Mine arrived with only a small shiny blemish on one side that can be varnished over, but what I feel let me down more was the plastic bits on the valve gear. It makes it look cheaper and I doubt you can disassemble it for any servicing/repairs.
The plastic return crank enables, for the first ever time in 00 to my knowledge, the classic four bolt fixing to the driving wheel to be modelled. A phenomenal bit of detail in my view.
Hi Sam, i think the model you have was dropped on its front at some point during manufacture looking at it. my1501 model has just turned up and its not showing any damage whatsoever. its yet to be run in or tested on the track so can't comment on how good/bad it performs yet.
Spot on review Sam. I got the same one yesterday and have to agree with you about quality. Mine is great but let down with a tiny portion of the lining missing (I will have to get a lining decal) and glue blooms on the front and rear buffer beam steps. A spot of paint will cure that. I’ve run it in on the rolling road so far. It does wiggle a bit though. The cab detail is exceptional. Did you see the warning info stencilled on the inside surfaces of the sliding doors in the cab? Absolutely amazing!
@@SamsTrainsI seriously do specifically wonderfully actually have the officially well-knowingly obviously obvious urge to happily agree with you on that officially well-knowingly obviously obvious statement for sure!🤞 NO COMPLETE DOUBT WHATSOEVER 'BOUT IT IN MY OWN OFFICIAL THOUGHTFULNESS OPINION!
I have a bit of a trivia. The USATC S100, which the GWR used many of in South Wales during the Second World War, served as a partial inspiration for the design of the 1500. More specifically the use of outside cylinders and short wheelbase.
I must say I think you have been done there Sam, I got mine yesterday and I am very impressed, I'm confused to there decision to put plastic on some parts of the running gear but apart from that my 1501 is perfect. All the detail is there no visible glue marks everything is as it should be. As far as performance goes your right on straight and level it's great, as soon as you get to a slight incline or sharp curve this is where it faulters. But I would say all in all it's great. I'm sorry yours isn't 😢
I bought mine from TMC, it doesn't show any of the issues that your's exhibited. I don't know if TMC check models before they send them out. I do wonder if some of these issues only show up under magnification? Perhaps I am missing something by just using my regular vision!
Never buy a first issue/version of anything. Usually they're still working the kinks out, literally and figuratively. Another thing to consider (and I suggest this without knowing uk commerce law ) is there a chance the retailer you bought it through buys and sells blemished items without marking them as blemished? I suggest that because I don't think it would've left the factory with something so glaringly obvious as that stack alignment unless it was marketed as a factory blemished as well as I've seen other reviews of models you've had major issues with that there isn't anything similar to what you experienced. Unless you're just unlucky and keep getting lemons I think something else is afoot
Well it's tricky - there's rarely a guarantee of a future batch, and as a reviewer it's important that I review models soon after they're released. And no, Derails models doesn't sell blemished models without disclosing it.... this is a brand new release anyway, there was no time for this to have been a return, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam. Just to help you in your reviewing process..and from an engineer with 35 years of experience... you sometimes struggle for words and use the word "quality" in different ways. In engineering's terms, high quality means meeting the spec every time. A basic model could, therefore, be high quality if every one is perfect. The magic word i think you are looking for is "specification." If you try to use the terms as they are meant, it makes it easier to describe what you mean. So, for instance, this model is high specification, but lower quality. Hope this helps. Kind regards as always 🙂
Yup, considering his following his presentation isn't great and he has low knowledge of mechanisms etc. and little knowledge of the actual machines. He also uses 10 words when two will do and it gets repetitive and quite boring after a while. He needs to really test a replacement too for a decent final decision. I see loads on here saying, ooooof not for me because he's got a duff example. Not all are duff in any way including mine. He's so adored that if he says something those adoring fans just accept it! You are very kind to be so thoughtful. I've assessed Students and this one wouldn't be getting a decent grade for this particular episode.
For a moment I thought that was an American built H.K. Porter, Alco, or Vulcan Iron 0-6-0 side tank from looking at the valve gear because they look very similar, and due to the short wheel base they waddle just like this model. Despite the sloppy quality of the assembly, it's a really neat looking model, and is very unique for a Pannier Tank Engine.
I bought the green GWR one and as far as I can see no real detail issues. Mine has sound, ran it round my layout really nice loco. Obviously Rapido needs to sort out their quality control.
7:13 Sam feels the weight and says the quality is immediately obvious. Spends the rest of the video accurately highlighting quality issues. Weight doesn't equal quality!
Mines crap quality too - horrible faded matte finish and doesn’t have the cream inner stripe on the grey lining for some reason and came with dust on the model along with various bits broken off and missing and glue everywhere. I wonder if mine was a preproduction sample that escaped? Would explain the awful finish and pants lining.
Sorry Sam...1504 came to me in perfect condition, has zero faults and is amazing in all respects. After full running in on DC (Decoder to be fitted later), I stuck 12 newish Bachman Coaches on it and it didn't even slip on starting, both in forward and reverse. Hauled and propelled easily. Superb Loco... yours isn't the only slightly wonky ones BUT the percentage of faulty ones is small according to popular MR Forums. MIne came from Widnes in the new style Delivery Packaging in case of athletic bashing from the Courier. This was the only GWR/BRWR Pannier design with this Valve Gear. Their main work was at Paddington as you say but several worked in Wales and a couple went to the NCB. FINALLY. You can only base a conclusion such as this (or a positive one for that matter) IF YOU TEST A BATCH TO COMPARE like for like. On a single test your conclusions are just nor credible and that is totally misleading to any prospective purchasers.
The one issue though is the price. The price is just too high to justify the issues. The glue is tolerable, the giant half inserted handrail knobs and wonky chimney are just plain defective though. I do agree that people should be more willing and excited to modify their models though. Allows you to buy cheaper models and make them better than expensive ones.
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury I don't know if it would go around a 1st radius curve - but it might! If it does, then it is a loco worth considering for those with small layouts. Apart from the cosmetic issues Sam mentions, it looks a sound loco mechanically and electrically that does not stall.
@@AllensTrains I think that’s fair. I would still always recommend fixing up an cheaper and/or older loco, but if you want it, then it’s totally your choice!
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury One of the difficulties of Railway Modelling is to get the loco for your scenario. At least Rapido has stepped in with a loco nobody else had thought to produce with all the other Pannier Tanks being pre-war examples.
We went to OXRAIL on Sunday and I got to hold one in its clam pack. THE WEIGHT and the wait has been worth it. Ours is currently sat in our Trunk at Hattons awaiting the arrival of another train THE TITFIELD THUNDERBOLT!!! Drawing one out in 5" gauge and constructing from my many photos and encounters with 1501 shows the totally real locomotive in miniature. Sat in the First carriage, 1501 and total bounce powerful beast.
Totally on a tangent - the open wagon train was a most useful reference to this modeler in the US who is going to De-thomas an open wagon bought at discount, repaint and letter it for one of his own freelance roadnames and send it to a friend in England. That some wagons represent an unpainted interior answers a question. Where the wagon number is placed answers a question. How the owner names are painted and located answers a question. Much appreciated.
If it hadn't been for some parts being wonky this Loco would've been pure gold. I'll give this Loco between B and B+. I saw a LBSC Terrier on a siding.
This is a question I might have asked but I can't remember whether you answered or not. This isn't the first model to have torque issues and it won't be the last, is the torque on a model's motor alterable? It's still noexcuse for manufacturers to ship out poorly torqued models but in a scenario where one would like to alter the torque, is it possible?
Hello Sam I was fortunate enough to get a decent model without the issues you had. Mine was the dcc sound version of 1501 thou. Might be worth taking the model back with all those problems.
317 grams? Now that’s how it should be! Following up from Saturday, I couldn’t find the 700 gram mystery loco I was thinking of, but the Wrenn duchess is 686 grams and if you go kit building, or add weight to rtr, you can easily get over a pound and a half!
Rapido would be disappointed to know some of their low-quality checked products are being let go for shipping. It's disappointing to see so many faults in a rather great model. Far as I know, the Pannier was a worker and lackluster locomotive. Lipstick on a pig would mirror the image... preserved or not. I've watched a few other reviews of this same locomotive... they all looked great close up. I don't believe they got the biscuits you recieved. 15:35 and 16:06 Did you read the backside of the cab sliders?
Yeah I agree - they definitely need to take another look at quality control don't they? And yes! The text on the sliders just shows how amazing the attention to detail is!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
with mine in gwr green i have only found 2 pieces of wonky detail 1 glue mark and so far mine seems to be a flawless runner so i genuinely you might have a bit of a odd example with yours
Hi Sam , My red one arrived in Australia safely. It looks superb , it runs great and it is heavy , very heavy , love it! The cabin glow is one of the best. No quality issues at all. Yes it is pretty perfect so I ordered another one , GWR green. Warm regards from Western Australia , jack
Minor complain here. I think I should see your Bachmann USA Dock tank model on the track because the 1500 itself was inspired by that tank. Also, it just looks like it.
haha I know - now that the review is done I might try to get it off and fix the problem... not recommended though of course! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've just received my one of these. Really wanted one with it being a SVR loco. Got to say mine appears to be much better assembled than this one. The chimney did fall off but I've been able to reattach it better than the one featured here. Why do manufacturers do this. Let a brilliant model down over easy small details.
*had to cancel my preorder hours before it went through due to needing money to fix car problems* *sees thumbnail* "Oh, cool. Now I don't feel as bad about it. Thanks!"
Suggestion Review the Bachmann HO 0-6-0 switcher steam locomotive because - It’s the smallest tender engine with Walschaert’s valve gear - Recently Bachmann has updated the locomotive gear mechanism for better performance . E.g. Better gears, no plastic axles and more smoother in performance - Some are DCC fitted
Another good review, thanks. I had ordered the NCR Maron No. 1509 which arrived last week (while I was away in India). I've gone for the DCC Sound Fitted and I am just about to start testing it. In general the model I have seems to be reasonably put together though the chimney fell off when I opened the packaging. No obvious signs of glue and on initial running seems to run well.
I do like the white lining. I am less keen on the wobble, the badly fitted chimney and the wonky fittings. I do REALLY hope all that metal does not lead to mazak degradation in the future.
Oooh, very curious to hear your opinions on this one! I see you noted that despite the patchy performance, the crawling is really good - given my prospective layout will be a relatively small branch line terminus type layout, where most locos will only be moving at fairly slow speeds as they trundle up and down or shunt in and out of sidings etc, do you reckon this model would suit a layout like that? One which doesn't nessecerily require high speed running or hauling loads of stock at a time? :)
Yeah absolutely - utterly superb crawl, which only got better with running in! Yes I'd say this model would be great in that application - particularly when running with lighter loads! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The price and not much better than an old Hornby or Lima in a lot of ways. Nice looker though. Thanks for the unbiased review Sam. If I got home and put that on the track I would be extremely disappointed. Everything is so right and so wrong at the same time.
haha think it is a step up from old Hornby/Lima, but certainly not up to the same standard as other manufacturers in terms of quality! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Are there companies that sell locos as a kit? I.E. not assembled and not painted. As an 'experienced' scale model builder it would be a great experience and the finished product would be as good as my skills make it.
This loco makes me think, " Market trader selling Canaries, "What said a buyer, it's only got one leg!" "What do yo want", said the trader......."do you want a singer or a dancer" ? This loco makes me think the same ........
Accurascale said 62% of Manor sales are DCC sound. Add those who put in their own non-sound decoders and I would imagine 75% run DCC. Sam needs to add DCC to his test methodology IMHO!
I think you must have had a bit of bad luck with the detailing on your one Sam. I've got three (1500 in GWR Green & 1501/1505 in Early BR) and all three are largely fine. There's a couple of details that are slightly bent, presumably through mishandling, but all the details seems to be there, and the chimneys are all fine. Sounds like the factory that assembled these didn't do a very good job, both with the actual assemble and with quality control afterwards. Probably too many fine details to be fitted in too short a time by staff who were rushing in order to meet their quotas.
Such a shame, It looks amazing on the pictures and I remember Rapido showing the video where the sample pulled a ridiculously long freight train, but this ain't it for me. If the quality would be as Rapido's usual standard, I can forgive the wobbly running. But the glue marks, poor fitting and the chimney look quite bad I must say. Pulling power is a bit questioning, as this locomotive is so heavy, I would expect a mechanism that would be able to handle such a weighty model. For the moment I skip it, as I have a P Class and a Buckjumper pre-ordered which will have me covered on modern tank engines for a while as I primarily bought Tri-ang stuff till then. Great review, even though it's a bit disappointing to see they could have done better. I think you should return it and try again in the hope of a better example. If I buy one, I'll make sure to see it in store to spot any faults before purchase.
For the first time ever in a 00 model, I believe Rapido have given us a representation of the four bolts holding the return crank in place (LNER excluded - they were fixed differently). Suddenly EVERY other model with Walschaert's valve gear looks toy-like. Do you run the engines on scale length trains? Remember the longest passenger train ever hauled in Britain was 26 carriages only.
If you're talking Gresley A1, Hornby originally worked miracles. Even the valve-gear of the early condition A1 was subtly different from the A3, reflecting the former's short-travel valves: few, few people would even notice it - or would think of the differences as lax quality control(!). And the late BR A3 even has the authentically incorrect '6' on the smokebox-door numberplate: a batch of numberplates were ordered which were delivered with incorrect 'curly' sixes and nines, and these were attached to the relevant locos. It would have been so easy for Hornby to have overlooked this prototype error, and use the correct-spec BR '6' on Galtee More's front numberplate...
I’ve got a great idea for a video, what about making a 6 pole motor by joining 2 three pole motors toghether?, by offsetting the 3 poles in the way there’s always a pole turning? That gotta be the smoothest ride you wil ever see Or making a 10 pole motor by joining two five pole motors?
Ahh that could be very interesting - I see what you mean there - I wonder whether that would be smoother or not? Fascinating! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Curious - I have held and looked at up closely, including mine, three 15xx's (two 1501 qnd my 1506). No problems whatsoever. All look and run perfectly (no wonky parts on any of them) on modern DC and DCC. Certainly no quality problems I could see, Looking very carefully. You do seem to have a bad one. I'd say it's the best pannier i own, including the Bachmann 94xx. I ran mine in on friday night and it even hunts like the real thing at high speed. Yours is a duff one, it seems.
A very small but beautiful train. It looks very nice . But do u have any good recommendations for trains. I need an expert to say what to get. Anyway ur the best my friend. Keep being awesome. Sam is a legend. Trainsforlive. Raise ur hand if u like sam
It certainly is an impressive model! And sure, feel free to check my review playlist - I have reviews of most british locos on there. If there's anything you've got your eye on, I'm happy to answer any questions you have about it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a personal grudge against the prototype: years ago, on the SVR, it gave me the worst smut I've ever received in an eye - so much so that it needed medical attention...
One of these with sound could be fantastic - fwiw Rails of Sheffield still has a few in stock, seeing them made me go look for a review and glad I did!
Hi Sam those sprung loaded pickups are not a new design,Airfix class 14xxx were fitted with the same principal all those years ago. Keep the videos coming Michael
They aught to make a kit version of these very expensive and complex locos, that way you can do the assembly (for a lower price of course) and take your time if you're so inclined.
The QC seems a lot to be desired with some of these new kids on the block with 'lessons' learnt excuses. I have the GNR single and APT-E which were faultless, so did complacency set it with the factory. Lots of poorly fitted detail parts is across the board with lamp irons at various angles for one.
I have noticed some glue marks on mine. But they are barely noticeable unless you really look. Such a shame to see an outstanding model with so many avoidable quality problems.
@@SamsTrains very happy. I grew up around Bridgnorth and used to see 1501 a lot (90’s early 2000’s) I haven’t run mine yet but it is a sound fitted version. I hope you get a replacement model sent to you.
I have seen film of the 1500’s working and they waddled along to the displeasure of the crew. Firing was apparently difficult while the engine driver was holding on to the window frame for all he could.
Ahh interesting! If that was an intentional feature of the model, then that would be fine. That said, if it's a fault, it casts some doubt as to whether the model will last a lifetime, and I'd recommend returning a waddler! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Mine's in a bit better condition than yours, but it's sound fitted and I'm not sure it's got the right sound profile loaded to the decoder - there were some settings needed changing before it would run smoothly.
8:00 Doesn't the Kr Models/Bachmann S100 (USA Dock Tank) have Walschaerts valve gear? Honestly to me it looks like the GWR copied the American design xD
@@philraminski2759 it looks like a pannier tank to me. The tanks are floating above the wheels supported by nothing but the boiler just like this class 15XX. It has no footplate for them to rest on. And at 8:00 he doesn’t mention the requirements being a BRWR engine, just it being a pannier and having walschaerts valve gear.
@@Deuce_and_a_half It was just post-war: Hawksworth used an American idea and coupled it with the GW tradition: hence it being GW above the footplate and US below.
Its strange to me that Rapido U.S can make amazing models, but Rapido U.K seems to struggle with theirs. I don't understand this. Isn't in still the same company??
Decent review here Sam, GWR locomotives do look really good in black in my opinion, pity about the quality issues but I’m sure it you take it up with Rapido they will help you out.
They actually do don't they? Particularly with the lining! Yes I'm sure they would - Rapido are pretty good at sorting out their issues, as we've seen quite a few! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’m afraid I’d be sending that back for a refund at that price. Totally unacceptable to have bent detail from box, and poorly painted detail with glue marks. A real let down.
This is disappointing. Your very honest review made me go and get my Bachmann 94xx out. What a great model it is! After your new review it looks like I will not bother with this Rapido model.
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the limp it does is honestly pretty realistic considering the fact that 0-6-0 locomotives tend to do a little dance down the track
I managed to pick one of these up from a local shop a few days ago, and I've got to say I think yours is an unfortunate case of a "Friday evening" job. Mine's really well assembled and the painting is exactly how it should be. There's one glue mark on top of the boiler but it's hidden by the detail that's holding it on unless you hold it at a very specific angle and know where to look for it. The details on the model are phenomenal, and it absolutely outclasses practically every other loco I own on that front
As for the wobbly running, it's actually somewhat realistic. 1501 in real life is a poorly balanced loco by it's inherent design and does throw itself about quite violently as it runs, though I will say that by model standards the rocking is a little excessive. It does make it more interesting to watch running past though, especially on less than perfect trackwork
I will check my two models for those potential problems when I would have them on hand? i know now where to look, hoping to have not such assembly mishaps. At best, the glue marks had been seen by other RUclipsrs on their own models, but the chimney and the stripped paint are a first here, as far as I know. And even if my models will turn fine, that does not excuse such a variation in quality along the production batch.
No doubt this is worse than others yeah, but unfortunately this is a theme with the 15xx, as there are multiple reports of poor quality examples, and I've seen photos of far worse glue than mine. You did very well to get a good example though, I'm glad you did! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Considering that these are made in China in what are probably 18 hour shifts, 7 days a week, I would say its more of a case of an "exhausted and malnourished" job.
At these prices, they could afford UK labor rates and not put a significant dent in their margins.
@@htomerif
Firstly fact both wages and conditions in China are nowhere near as poor as you portray! Yes 25 years ago maybe, but the simple fact is that as the country industrialised and embraced high technology industries, the expectations of it citizens has increased - and the ruling Communist party know that if peoples expectations regrading better wages / working conditions are not met then the resultant anger could eventually boil over into to dissatisfaction with the party itself and threaten the Communists very grip on power!
Effectively the deal is this - the Communist party say " you don't question our authority and we will in turn give you the cash to live a comfortable 'western' style life" and its a deal the population are very happy to go along with.
Secondly even though Chinese wages / costs have gone up significantly over the past decade (around 20-30% IIRC) , because they were starting from a very low base they are still massive cheaper than in the UK (even if UK costs have only gone up by 10% in the same period). You forget that because modellers demand huge amounts of separately fitted detail and fine printing assembling the parts is a SKILLED job much akin to watchmaking or Jewellery making in technique and certainly something which will command way more than the minimum wage.
@@OlivierGabin And Rapido are not trying to excuse them!
Rapido know that the sort of quality issues people have been highlighting to them are not acceptable and I have no doubt strong words will be had with their partners in China as to why this state of affairs was allowed to arise.
If you have a time machine handy I'm sure Rapido would love to borrow it....
You were unlucky with your model of the Rapido 15xx. I received mine earlier today and have just finished running it in. It had none of the problems you mentioned - no glue marks, a correctly fitted funnel, no bent steps or other fittings and no rocking or hunting even at scale speeds of over 60 mph. I am well pleased with my model.
The one loco I decided I needed. Mine did not have any of the build quality issues that yours has. It does state in the instructions that you should run it in for 1 hour in each direction. All in all a very good model. I enjoy your reviews, you give an honest opinion of the model you have bought. Regards, Alan.
Won't cure a wobble
Thank you for the review, Sam. I'm sorry your locomotive had problems with build quality. I cannot fault this on my recently purchased locomotive. It's a real beauty! Other than making sure that it runs forwards and backwards, I have not had it running on the track, as yet but I am extremely pleased with what I have seen so far, particularly as I purchased it by accident!
I’d like to say I’m glad the criticism is rightly aimed at the people who assembled the model itself, not Rapido.
I was conflicted regarding this model. Being a GWR fan, I wanted it, even though it's an ugly duckling. But I've already spent my loco buying budget for 2023 so was hesitating. Your review has helped me to stay within my budget!
Keep up the good work.
There's nothing wrong with mine, a sister to your sample. Runs beautifully, slowly and smoothly straight out of the box. 'Wobble'? Well short wheelbase switchers or shunters have a funny habit of doing that in reality. Lovely engine, bought on Saturday and am very pleased with it.
2 details missing are the tiny foot grip plates on the tops of the buffer stocks and the tank lifting rings do have triangular plates with 3 rivets holding them on underneath. An easy fix for some, as is turning a new chimney and turning some new whistles out on the Unimat at the full speed of 4000 revs.
I am guessing that the sideways wobble is due to inconsistent back-to-back gauging. It was a usual problem with the early Hornby liner Pacifics and triang locos. I think your gadwall and maybe some of your triang locos are wobblers. I think the gearing is far too fast on the 15xx which doesn’t help as that affects the crawl. Try running the loco upside down and look for the wheels wandering about. Then, you can press them at the wide spot. It usually helps crawling, tracking, and overall smoothness a lot!
Great review, I believe that the full size beasts had quite a bit of oscillation, a combination of outside cylinders and short wheelbase.
You're more forgiving than I would have been. Considering all the defects on your model I would have returned it for a new one. A grade of B was very generous in my opinion. I ordered the 1505 last Friday and it should arrive in the next 2 days. Hope the quality isn't as bad as your experience was.
Yes I would have returned it, either for exchange or a refund.
How did you get on with your model ?
I have purchased two of these. Both models are of good build quality, without the faults yours has. I am delighted with them and they are both excellent runners, straight from the box.
Have you thought of using a backdrop to hide the distracting electric heater and conduit behind the track when you do the performance test ?
It's basically a toy train set - I'd rather see tests on a layout such as Little Bytham: scale curves etc, hauling authentic trains. Sam seems to forget that 14-on was about the normal maximum number of carriages on Britain's expresses (26 being the record, hauled by a V2). He seems to require totally out of scale power from his locomotives. And, of course, ALL steam suffered up gradients, hence the use of bankers...
Hi Sam - the wiggle is prototypical - a function of the short wheelbase, they were designed for the tight curves of docks and industrial sidings. The performance is also realistic curves and gradients slowed down the real thing quite noticeably - just look at some of the videos on the web. But a good review generally.
most steam engines have a degree of wiggle due to the power being put through the connecting rods onto the wheels, when the rod is not exactly in line with the centre line of the cylinder the force will give a vertical force. of course the bigger the loco and longer the rods are the less this effect is visible. Locos with short con rods like the 43xx and 45xx classes have a very visible wiggle especially when starting.
The prototype 1501 is actually quite stable even when running at relatively high speeds. When she first started running at the SVR the Pway were expecting a sharp rise in track defects but this wasn't the case.
Ffs not like that it's not. jhc.
Hi Sam. You said that the quality of the assembly is unacceptable and I would agree. That said, I would return it to the retailer, but would accept a replacement on the proviso that the retailer ensures the replacement is assembled properly. I didn't notice that the firebox glow flickered; did it? One thing that I find inexcusable is that the valve gear, etc., wasn't fully made of metal; if one feature should never be made of plastic, then this is it.
Due to being plastic, as I've stated a couple of times above, the return crank actually has the four bolts modelled that hold it to the wheel. This is the first time I've ever seen it in 00 - even in hand-built one-off models.
Sam - you tell it as it is, I suspect some other 'reviewers' don't.... enough said. Hopefully this was a one off - please post a follow up if / when you gain a replacement. Thank you for your honest and trustworthy reviews
Great vlog as always, Remember some proper locos stalled on the Lickey I think it's more realistic to slow. I use to work on BR and the amount of time we stuck trying to get out front Colliery yards.
Well said - remember that Sam seems to know next to nothing about prototype operations, and yet feels fit to comment on and review models of the things.
Mine arrived with only a small shiny blemish on one side that can be varnished over, but what I feel let me down more was the plastic bits on the valve gear. It makes it look cheaper and I doubt you can disassemble it for any servicing/repairs.
The plastic return crank enables, for the first ever time in 00 to my knowledge, the classic four bolt fixing to the driving wheel to be modelled. A phenomenal bit of detail in my view.
Happy to report that my 15xx from Hattons exhibits none of the quality failures you observed. An excellent model.
This was the first steam locomotive I ever went into the cab of, I may need to get me one of these! Great review Sam!
Hi Sam, i think the model you have was dropped on its front at some point during manufacture looking at it. my1501 model has just turned up and its not showing any damage whatsoever. its yet to be run in or tested on the track so can't comment on how good/bad it performs yet.
Spot on review Sam. I got the same one yesterday and have to agree with you about quality. Mine is great but let down with a tiny portion of the lining missing (I will have to get a lining decal) and glue blooms on the front and rear buffer beam steps. A spot of paint will cure that. I’ve run it in on the rolling road so far. It does wiggle a bit though. The cab detail is exceptional. Did you see the warning info stencilled on the inside surfaces of the sliding doors in the cab? Absolutely amazing!
This better not be the start of the downfall of Rapido
I'm sure not - hopefully it'll be the start of some quality control at Rapido in stead ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsI seriously do specifically wonderfully actually have the officially well-knowingly obviously obvious urge to happily agree with you on that officially well-knowingly obviously obvious statement for sure!🤞 NO COMPLETE DOUBT WHATSOEVER 'BOUT IT IN MY OWN OFFICIAL THOUGHTFULNESS OPINION!
@@SamsTrainsBut, nonetheless, great work with this official video review as always!
WELL DONE!
@@SamsTrainsBRILLIANT! BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT!
I have a bit of a trivia. The USATC S100, which the GWR used many of in South Wales during the Second World War, served as a partial inspiration for the design of the 1500. More specifically the use of outside cylinders and short wheelbase.
Very interesting stuff, thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It was an ugly duckling but nonetheless magnificent.
I must say I think you have been done there Sam, I got mine yesterday and I am very impressed, I'm confused to there decision to put plastic on some parts of the running gear but apart from that my 1501 is perfect. All the detail is there no visible glue marks everything is as it should be.
As far as performance goes your right on straight and level it's great, as soon as you get to a slight incline or sharp curve this is where it faulters. But I would say all in all it's great. I'm sorry yours isn't 😢
I bought mine from TMC, it doesn't show any of the issues that your's exhibited. I don't know if TMC check models before they send them out. I do wonder if some of these issues only show up under magnification? Perhaps I am missing something by just using my regular vision!
YOuirs is like 80% of the comments I've seen all over the MR forums.
Never buy a first issue/version of anything. Usually they're still working the kinks out, literally and figuratively.
Another thing to consider (and I suggest this without knowing uk commerce law ) is there a chance the retailer you bought it through buys and sells blemished items without marking them as blemished? I suggest that because I don't think it would've left the factory with something so glaringly obvious as that stack alignment unless it was marketed as a factory blemished as well as I've seen other reviews of models you've had major issues with that there isn't anything similar to what you experienced. Unless you're just unlucky and keep getting lemons I think something else is afoot
Good point. You makes me think there would be a second issue of the Hornby 9F, I might take my chance with her, the first one having a poor motor.
Well it's tricky - there's rarely a guarantee of a future batch, and as a reviewer it's important that I review models soon after they're released. And no, Derails models doesn't sell blemished models without disclosing it.... this is a brand new release anyway, there was no time for this to have been a return,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam. Just to help you in your reviewing process..and from an engineer with 35 years of experience... you sometimes struggle for words and use the word "quality" in different ways. In engineering's terms, high quality means meeting the spec every time. A basic model could, therefore, be high quality if every one is perfect. The magic word i think you are looking for is "specification."
If you try to use the terms as they are meant, it makes it easier to describe what you mean.
So, for instance, this model is high specification, but lower quality.
Hope this helps. Kind regards as always 🙂
Yup, considering his following his presentation isn't great and he has low knowledge of mechanisms etc. and little knowledge of the actual machines. He also uses 10 words when two will do and it gets repetitive and quite boring after a while. He needs to really test a replacement too for a decent final decision. I see loads on here saying, ooooof not for me because he's got a duff example. Not all are duff in any way including mine. He's so adored that if he says something those adoring fans just accept it!
You are very kind to be so thoughtful. I've assessed Students and this one wouldn't be getting a decent grade for this particular episode.
@@philraminski2759 Agreed - his knowledge of he prototypes is next to zero, and yet he has the gaul to review them! Madness.
For a moment I thought that was an American built H.K. Porter, Alco, or Vulcan Iron 0-6-0 side tank from looking at the valve gear because they look very similar, and due to the short wheel base they waddle just like this model. Despite the sloppy quality of the assembly, it's a really neat looking model, and is very unique for a Pannier Tank Engine.
I bought the green GWR one and as far as I can see no real detail issues. Mine has sound, ran it round my layout really nice loco. Obviously Rapido needs to sort out their quality control.
My first thoughts is that the lining is outstanding in the sense that it is very obvious unless it's a result of your lighting?
I got the GWR liveried # 1500, I'm happy don't have any issues at all with mine.
That's great news - very glad you're happy!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
7:13 Sam feels the weight and says the quality is immediately obvious. Spends the rest of the video accurately highlighting quality issues. Weight doesn't equal quality!
Mines crap quality too - horrible faded matte finish and doesn’t have the cream inner stripe on the grey lining for some reason and came with dust on the model along with various bits broken off and missing and glue everywhere. I wonder if mine was a preproduction sample that escaped? Would explain the awful finish and pants lining.
Sorry Sam...1504 came to me in perfect condition, has zero faults and is amazing in all respects.
After full running in on DC (Decoder to be fitted later), I stuck 12 newish Bachman Coaches on it and it didn't even slip on starting, both in forward and reverse. Hauled and propelled easily.
Superb Loco... yours isn't the only slightly wonky ones BUT the percentage of faulty ones is small according to popular MR Forums.
MIne came from Widnes in the new style Delivery Packaging in case of athletic bashing from the Courier.
This was the only GWR/BRWR Pannier design with this Valve Gear.
Their main work was at Paddington as you say but several worked in Wales and a couple went to the NCB.
FINALLY. You can only base a conclusion such as this (or a positive one for that matter) IF YOU TEST A BATCH TO COMPARE like for like.
On a single test your conclusions are just nor credible and that is totally misleading to any prospective purchasers.
Hello Jason.😂 He did the review on what he got. Simple. If he got a perfect one that would of been reflected in the review.
The censored MR forums.
Yes, he should review more than one or at least review the replacement. This report has put off people even trying one out! @@Georgeconna32
A loco like this is a useful item for those with small layouts. Dirty it up a bit and you wouldn't notice the glue!
Absolutely - I think weathering would be essential to cover up the issues, but no good if you want your model pristine!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The one issue though is the price. The price is just too high to justify the issues. The glue is tolerable, the giant half inserted handrail knobs and wonky chimney are just plain defective though. I do agree that people should be more willing and excited to modify their models though. Allows you to buy cheaper models and make them better than expensive ones.
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury I don't know if it would go around a 1st radius curve - but it might! If it does, then it is a loco worth considering for those with small layouts. Apart from the cosmetic issues Sam mentions, it looks a sound loco mechanically and electrically that does not stall.
@@AllensTrains I think that’s fair. I would still always recommend fixing up an cheaper and/or older loco, but if you want it, then it’s totally your choice!
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury One of the difficulties of Railway Modelling is to get the loco for your scenario. At least Rapido has stepped in with a loco nobody else had thought to produce with all the other Pannier Tanks being pre-war examples.
We went to OXRAIL on Sunday and I got to hold one in its clam pack. THE WEIGHT and the wait has been worth it.
Ours is currently sat in our Trunk at Hattons awaiting the arrival of another train THE TITFIELD THUNDERBOLT!!! Drawing one out in 5" gauge and constructing from my many photos and encounters with 1501 shows the totally real locomotive in miniature. Sat in the First carriage, 1501 and total bounce powerful beast.
14:32 Is it just me Sam, or does it seem to be a chunk missing off the slide bars.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yes you're right - I didn't notice it in person admittedly, but the close up reveals there's something going on there!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yeah your right, I wonder if that’s why it fluctuates in speed a little, hmmm 🤔
Totally on a tangent - the open wagon train was a most useful reference to this modeler in the US who is going to De-thomas an open wagon bought at discount, repaint and letter it for one of his own freelance roadnames and send it to a friend in England. That some wagons represent an unpainted interior answers a question. Where the wagon number is placed answers a question. How the owner names are painted and located answers a question. Much appreciated.
If it hadn't been for some parts being wonky this Loco would've been pure gold.
I'll give this Loco between B and B+.
I saw a LBSC Terrier on a siding.
Yeah I agree - fantastic model, but the quality issues in the assembly were very distracting,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is a question I might have asked but I can't remember whether you answered or not. This isn't the first model to have torque issues and it won't be the last, is the torque on a model's motor alterable? It's still noexcuse for manufacturers to ship out poorly torqued models but in a scenario where one would like to alter the torque, is it possible?
Hello Sam
I was fortunate enough to get a decent model without the issues you had. Mine was the dcc sound version of 1501 thou. Might be worth taking the model back with all those problems.
317 grams? Now that’s how it should be! Following up from Saturday, I couldn’t find the 700 gram mystery loco I was thinking of, but the Wrenn duchess is 686 grams and if you go kit building, or add weight to rtr, you can easily get over a pound and a half!
i’ll pick one up to see if yours is as some say, as there are mixed signals (no pun intended) so i’ll update you when i get it.
Rapido would be disappointed to know some of their low-quality checked products are being let go for shipping. It's disappointing to see so many faults in a rather great model. Far as I know, the Pannier was a worker and lackluster locomotive. Lipstick on a pig would mirror the image... preserved or not. I've watched a few other reviews of this same locomotive... they all looked great close up. I don't believe they got the biscuits you recieved. 15:35 and 16:06 Did you read the backside of the cab sliders?
Yeah I agree - they definitely need to take another look at quality control don't they? And yes! The text on the sliders just shows how amazing the attention to detail is!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
with mine in gwr green i have only found 2 pieces of wonky detail 1 glue mark and so far mine seems to be a flawless runner so i genuinely you might have a bit of a odd example with yours
That's definitely much better than this one of mine then... sounds like one to hold on to!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam , My red one arrived in Australia safely.
It looks superb , it runs great and it is heavy , very heavy , love it!
The cabin glow is one of the best.
No quality issues at all.
Yes it is pretty perfect so I ordered another one , GWR green.
Warm regards from Western Australia , jack
Minor complain here. I think I should see your Bachmann USA Dock tank model on the track because the 1500 itself was inspired by that tank. Also, it just looks like it.
Although the US loco didn't have the classic GW taper boiler and associated fittings ;-)
That chimney is a shocker.i cant unsee it now.send it back!
haha I know - now that the review is done I might try to get it off and fix the problem... not recommended though of course!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I know that loco based at the svr, ridden behind it many times, failed to reach bewdley from kiddiminster but still one of the reliables at the sve
That's very interesting - I'd love to go and see her there! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsAnd head on, she waddles quite noticeably!
I've just received my one of these. Really wanted one with it being a SVR loco. Got to say mine appears to be much better assembled than this one. The chimney did fall off but I've been able to reattach it better than the one featured here.
Why do manufacturers do this. Let a brilliant model down over easy small details.
That’s another Severn Valley Railway Steam loco in your collection. The other you’ve got is 7812 Erlestoke Manor.
Ahh excellent - I might have to do a SVR running session some time!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes please that’s a great idea.
*had to cancel my preorder hours before it went through due to needing money to fix car problems*
*sees thumbnail*
"Oh, cool. Now I don't feel as bad about it. Thanks!"
10:10 I hereby give this model (the most heaviest pannier tank) award. Lol
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha and well deserved too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Suggestion
Review the Bachmann HO 0-6-0 switcher steam locomotive because
- It’s the smallest tender engine with Walschaert’s valve gear
- Recently Bachmann has updated the locomotive gear mechanism for better performance . E.g. Better gears, no plastic axles and more smoother in performance
- Some are DCC fitted
Another good review, thanks. I had ordered the NCR Maron No. 1509 which arrived last week (while I was away in India). I've gone for the DCC Sound Fitted and I am just about to start testing it. In general the model I have seems to be reasonably put together though the chimney fell off when I opened the packaging. No obvious signs of glue and on initial running seems to run well.
I do like the white lining.
I am less keen on the wobble, the badly fitted chimney and the wonky fittings.
I do REALLY hope all that metal does not lead to mazak degradation in the future.
Had 2 Hunslet tanks from them - both sent back after decoder failures . Friend had his fail and sent back too.
Oooh, very curious to hear your opinions on this one! I see you noted that despite the patchy performance, the crawling is really good - given my prospective layout will be a relatively small branch line terminus type layout, where most locos will only be moving at fairly slow speeds as they trundle up and down or shunt in and out of sidings etc, do you reckon this model would suit a layout like that? One which doesn't nessecerily require high speed running or hauling loads of stock at a time? :)
Yeah absolutely - utterly superb crawl, which only got better with running in! Yes I'd say this model would be great in that application - particularly when running with lighter loads!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The 15xx locos had a tractive effort of 22,000lb - two-thirds that of an A4...
The price and not much better than an old Hornby or Lima in a lot of ways. Nice looker though. Thanks for the unbiased review Sam. If I got home and put that on the track I would be extremely disappointed. Everything is so right and so wrong at the same time.
haha think it is a step up from old Hornby/Lima, but certainly not up to the same standard as other manufacturers in terms of quality!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Are there companies that sell locos as a kit? I.E. not assembled and not painted. As an 'experienced' scale model builder it would be a great experience and the finished product would be as good as my skills make it.
None of the ready to run manufacturers sell their models as kits.
This loco makes me think, " Market trader selling Canaries, "What said a buyer, it's only got one leg!" "What do yo want", said the trader......."do you want a singer or a dancer" ? This loco makes me think the same ........
hahaha very interesting!!
11:43 it looks like the glue monster is back Sam. Lol
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha it very much is!!
Accurascale said 62% of Manor sales are DCC sound. Add those who put in their own non-sound decoders and I would imagine 75% run DCC. Sam needs to add DCC to his test methodology IMHO!
Vote for Sam as the best RUclipsr in the 2023 Hornby Magazine Model Railway Awards. The man they cannot gag.
hahaha many thanks my friend!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
More like the man they cannot please....
I think you must have had a bit of bad luck with the detailing on your one Sam. I've got three (1500 in GWR Green & 1501/1505 in Early BR) and all three are largely fine. There's a couple of details that are slightly bent, presumably through mishandling, but all the details seems to be there, and the chimneys are all fine.
Sounds like the factory that assembled these didn't do a very good job, both with the actual assemble and with quality control afterwards. Probably too many fine details to be fitted in too short a time by staff who were rushing in order to meet their quotas.
I hope you're sending that back Sam. I certainly would with all of those issues - especially that wonky chimney.
Such a shame, It looks amazing on the pictures and I remember Rapido showing the video where the sample pulled a ridiculously long freight train, but this ain't it for me. If the quality would be as Rapido's usual standard, I can forgive the wobbly running. But the glue marks, poor fitting and the chimney look quite bad I must say. Pulling power is a bit questioning, as this locomotive is so heavy, I would expect a mechanism that would be able to handle such a weighty model. For the moment I skip it, as I have a P Class and a Buckjumper pre-ordered which will have me covered on modern tank engines for a while as I primarily bought Tri-ang stuff till then. Great review, even though it's a bit disappointing to see they could have done better. I think you should return it and try again in the hope of a better example. If I buy one, I'll make sure to see it in store to spot any faults before purchase.
Congrats on 140k btw
Meant to say the same, just noticed that the other day! Congrats! Well deserved!!
Я тоже.
Oh thank you so much, haha!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Are you going to send it back and see if you get a better one?
Interesting that they chose to model the 15xx's lively running!
Just to add all these loco's were built under BR none ever carried GWR markings
For the first time ever in a 00 model, I believe Rapido have given us a representation of the four bolts holding the return crank in place (LNER excluded - they were fixed differently). Suddenly EVERY other model with Walschaert's valve gear looks toy-like. Do you run the engines on scale length trains? Remember the longest passenger train ever hauled in Britain was 26 carriages only.
Sam you should make a comparison video between the hornby a1/a3
That could be interesting - thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If you're talking Gresley A1, Hornby originally worked miracles. Even the valve-gear of the early condition A1 was subtly different from the A3, reflecting the former's short-travel valves: few, few people would even notice it - or would think of the differences as lax quality control(!). And the late BR A3 even has the authentically incorrect '6' on the smokebox-door numberplate: a batch of numberplates were ordered which were delivered with incorrect 'curly' sixes and nines, and these were attached to the relevant locos. It would have been so easy for Hornby to have overlooked this prototype error, and use the correct-spec BR '6' on Galtee More's front numberplate...
Hi sam do you have an airfix class 31?
Yes I do! A pretty interesting model :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’ve got a great idea for a video, what about making a 6 pole motor by joining 2 three pole motors toghether?, by offsetting the 3 poles in the way there’s always a pole turning?
That gotta be the smoothest ride you wil ever see
Or making a 10 pole motor by joining two five pole motors?
Ahh that could be very interesting - I see what you mean there - I wonder whether that would be smoother or not? Fascinating!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Curious - I have held and looked at up closely, including mine, three 15xx's (two 1501 qnd my 1506). No problems whatsoever. All look and run perfectly (no wonky parts on any of them) on modern DC and DCC. Certainly no quality problems I could see, Looking very carefully. You do seem to have a bad one. I'd say it's the best pannier i own, including the Bachmann 94xx. I ran mine in on friday night and it even hunts like the real thing at high speed. Yours is a duff one, it seems.
A very small but beautiful train. It looks very nice . But do u have any good recommendations for trains. I need an expert to say what to get. Anyway ur the best my friend. Keep being awesome. Sam is a legend. Trainsforlive. Raise ur hand if u like sam
It certainly is an impressive model! And sure, feel free to check my review playlist - I have reviews of most british locos on there. If there's anything you've got your eye on, I'm happy to answer any questions you have about it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a personal grudge against the prototype: years ago, on the SVR, it gave me the worst smut I've ever received in an eye - so much so that it needed medical attention...
Love the real loco - the poor torque lets this down for me. Did see one the other day IRL and it looked superb!
Ahh fantastic - it's a good likeness to the real thing then? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
One of these with sound could be fantastic - fwiw Rails of Sheffield still has a few in stock, seeing them made me go look for a review and glad I did!
Hi Sam those sprung loaded pickups are not a new design,Airfix class 14xxx were fitted with the same principal all those years ago.
Keep the videos coming
Michael
@SamsTrains didn't you have an update on this, as if you did, I can't find the video?
Yeah I did, it was in the following news video - you should be able to find it on the channel!
They aught to make a kit version of these very expensive and complex locos, that way you can do the assembly (for a lower price of course) and take your time if you're so inclined.
The QC seems a lot to be desired with some of these new kids on the block with 'lessons' learnt excuses. I have the GNR single and APT-E which were faultless, so did complacency set it with the factory. Lots of poorly fitted detail parts is across the board with lamp irons at various angles for one.
I have noticed some glue marks on mine. But they are barely noticeable unless you really look.
Such a shame to see an outstanding model with so many avoidable quality problems.
That's not too bad then - if you're happy, that's the main thing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains very happy. I grew up around Bridgnorth and used to see 1501 a lot (90’s early 2000’s) I haven’t run mine yet but it is a sound fitted version. I hope you get a replacement model sent to you.
I have seen film of the 1500’s working and they waddled along to the displeasure of the crew. Firing was apparently difficult while the engine driver was holding on to the window frame for all he could.
Ahh interesting! If that was an intentional feature of the model, then that would be fine. That said, if it's a fault, it casts some doubt as to whether the model will last a lifetime, and I'd recommend returning a waddler!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Mine's in a bit better condition than yours, but it's sound fitted and I'm not sure it's got the right sound profile loaded to the decoder - there were some settings needed changing before it would run smoothly.
8:00 Doesn't the Kr Models/Bachmann S100 (USA Dock Tank) have Walschaerts valve gear?
Honestly to me it looks like the GWR copied the American design xD
Yes! That isn't a Pannier Tank! It was also not a BRWR Engine either!
@@philraminski2759 it looks like a pannier tank to me. The tanks are floating above the wheels supported by nothing but the boiler just like this class 15XX. It has no footplate for them to rest on.
And at 8:00 he doesn’t mention the requirements being a BRWR engine, just it being a pannier and having walschaerts valve gear.
The USA is a Side Tank Engine.@@Deuce_and_a_half
@@Deuce_and_a_half It was just post-war: Hawksworth used an American idea and coupled it with the GW tradition: hence it being GW above the footplate and US below.
Its strange to me that Rapido U.S can make amazing models, but Rapido U.K seems to struggle with theirs. I don't understand this. Isn't in still the same company??
Hi Sam. I had to giggle when I read on the box Rapido trains Suk..😂😂😂
Always a good day when you post a vid Sam :)
Bless you, thank you so much! :D
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thank you Brian! :D
@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy
Decent review here Sam, GWR locomotives do look really good in black in my opinion, pity about the quality issues but I’m sure it you take it up with Rapido they will help you out.
They actually do don't they? Particularly with the lining! Yes I'm sure they would - Rapido are pretty good at sorting out their issues, as we've seen quite a few!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
sprung pick ups were tried before and dropped believe was the revamped 14 xx that dapol did from the airfix one
The springs would get hot and melt/jam so will be interesting to see how these last. There's a reason no one uses them now....
@@Jamie096 totally agree its a backwards step also means if spring becomes weak no pick up
I don't think I've seen pickups like that since the Airfix 14xx which was released with such a fanfare back in 1981!
Mine is great non of your issues,have yours exchanged
I’m afraid I’d be sending that back for a refund at that price. Totally unacceptable to have bent detail from box, and poorly painted detail with glue marks. A real let down.
This is disappointing. Your very honest review made me go and get my Bachmann 94xx out. What a great model it is! After your new review it looks like I will not bother with this Rapido model.