My good man, #2816's Mexico tour was, in my opinion, is a throwback to steam fantrips in the old days. I believe that the Mexican railfans got too excited for their own good. Take note, I think this is the first steam locomotive that ran on the Mexican mainline since the end of steam in Mexico in the 1960s.
No one can blame the crew for the accident that happened with the woman. People need to realize that standing in front of a moving train to take a selfie is not safe or smart!
You are correct and they do not listen to anyone down there, I have seen the raw footage of the woman being hit among other videos. They show alot of disrespect for this old girl.
I'd argue it went so well that CPKC wasn't prepared for the hype it would create. It was an unfortunate learning experience on the kind of crowd control that's needed, but it shows the excitement a steam excursion can raise.
As a Mexican myself it hurt me to see people from this country not caring about the safety around the rails, i had never in my life seen a working steam locomotive before until The Empress came to visit because there simply aren’t any here, all of them are either long gone lost to the scrapper’s torch, abandoned somewhere or preserved in museums but none of them operate so i guess it’s kinda understandable why people acted this way with 2816… but yet again, your life is worth more than a simple photo And probably because of this and the bad look it’s giving to us Mexican railfans 2816 might very well be the last steamer we’ll ever see in operating condition.. and that honestly sucks
@-hv-9936 ¡Sí, Es Una Lástima! Estoy Feliz Que Los Aficionados Ferroviaros Mexicanos Tuvieron La Opición Para Mirar Esa Máquina Histórica. Pero Desafortunadamente, Es Posible Que CPR #2816 No Regresará A México Nunca Jamás. Ni Ninguna Locomotora De Vapor Viaja A México. Yeah, It's A Shame I'm Glad The Mexican Railfans Got To Look At That Piece Of History. But Unfornunately, It's Possible That CPR 2816 Will Never Ever Return To Mexico Again. Nor Will Any Steam Locomotive Travel To Mexico.
@@calebtrains2261 unfortunately it seems that the only way we’ll ever see another steam engine moving under it’s own power on Mexican rails is if someone decides to restore one of the many locomotives on display here.. which is highly unlikely
i get what you trying to say and ya but at the same time i dont feel to bad for them every railroader knows that everything in on and about the railroad was made in blood sweet and tears leaned the hard way (like in this case) and if thay dont then thair in the wrong job. It is sad but at the same time your in the way of the train if you do stuff like this then no one to blame but your self the crew do not have to give the slightest shit for a death by thair loco when your just doing your job knowing that mexico anit safe as is if your running down thar you dont stop for good reason a lot of the time its you or them and you better pick you becuse thay wont
@@71midnightKnowing the railroad's history of human cost does not make crews immune to human emotions. It affects many of them deeply even though logically they know there's nothing they could have done.
Here in Mexico... Sadly in mexico, engineers are dealing with idiots who always put on risk their lives almost EVERY DAY. Its a common thing because the police don't do crap. They don't arrest vandals. They are easy to fool with some money. Its a mess Mexico's security system. And it has been for at least 30 years
@@tanker1425 Like really. It was her own fault. Not the engineer. Not the railroad. Her. Whats worse? That woman was a school teacher. Literally a person who's job is educating people did something as reckless as that!?
to be fair, as a Brit, I can't point fingers on this... people over here get a little careless with general safety any time Flying Scotsman is out and about
A big problem is a lack of culture awareness about Rail safety in Mexico. There's no equivalent of Operation Lifesaver to inform the public about the importance of being safe around trains and when you combine an uninformed mass population with a nation who has no real history of steam preservation (thus meaning very few people there have seen a steam locomotive in motion), it was an inevitable tragedy. I hope that the new President of Mexico uses this situation as well as the incident where the British Rail HST hit a truck at an unmarked crossing to kickstart a proper rail safety awareness program.
Not just a Mexico problem. Despite education and warnings, people will still put themselves in harm's way and trespass on a railroad right of way. In my city, in the last month, two deaths have happened from people being on the track.
Unfortunately the new president of Mexico is a woke liberal who probably doesn’t give a darn about people’s safety. Gotta wait until they stop rigging the elections.
Somos mexicanos hermosa mo entendemos y no vale lo que no digan no como es USA o canada que les.tiene miedo a los pifia lo.siento pero México lo recibimos tan alegres como todo lo que viene de afuera por k sin recuerdos y México es país más alegres viva México 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@gustavodelarosa5656 ¡Sí, Es Una Lástima! Estoy Feliz Que Los Aficionados Ferroviaros Mexicanos Tuvieron La Opición Para Mirar Esa Máquina Histórica. Pero Desafortunadamente, Es Posible Que CPR #2816 No Regresará A México Nunca Jamás. Ni Ninguna Locomotora De Vapor Viaja A México. Yeah, It's A Shame I'm Glad The Mexican Railfans Got To Look At That Piece Of History. But Unfornunately, It's Possible That CPR 2816 Will Never Ever Return To Mexico Again. Nor Will Any Steam Locomotive Travel To Mexico.
Me as a Puerto Rican, and American railfan I know the absolute cautions of all of it. I do like trains and all, but two I do realize the dangers and the risks of why this can happen and I mean seriously people don't realize that those are big heavy strong machines that it can easily kill its victims because they won't have no time to stop the engine to prevent an accident nor the people that they're being more carelessly in that moment that they have to move out of the way which they didn't if a train is going 20 or 30 mph. I'm not trying to be rude and all but still. I also took in that same argument too like literally what are they thinking if those trains like I said are big heavy strong machines it can literally take you out if you're too dangerously close to the tracks like literally. Me that I have all the knowledge about all of this in the railroad, i should really absolutely know because seriously. Like I said I'm really not trying to be this rude guy and all but, "People from Mexico WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING"
Pal it's way more then JUST an inconvenience, no railroad wants to do steam excursions to Mexico city now, vandalusm, a death , lack of good policing, lackmod security and having to bring in the military to assist police.
Inconvenience? MAY HAVE? I don't think you understand how serious this is, now theres the out of controle migrant crises , and the cartell you not going see any american/canadian steam excursions any tine soon, it's just not safe
@@elprofeb.8863 You don’t need to apologize. Not only you don’t seem to be one of the ones who acted badly but there are plenty Mexicans who know better but I think Mexico should have its own version of Operation Lifesaver so it can promote railway safety so this shouldn’t happen again.
Something I want to mention is that Mexico is a completely different country from the USA and Canada and how people treat trains in Mexico is obviously going to be different. and Yes, no matter where you are and no matter how much safety you enforce there is always gonna be Darwin award recipients competing. But thats not what I am trying to stat here because what a lot of people don't realize is that things didn't start going downhill for 2816 when they entered Mexico everything started going down hill when they passed Monterrey, Mexico. Monterrey is a fairly rich and modernized city in Mexico and the environment in the city is very similar to big cities in the USA and Canada. I bring this up because if you watch videos of 2816 before it passes Monterrey everyone is controlling themselves and not getting too close but once they passed Monterrey and got out into the countryside thats when all hell broke lose. As a Mexican friend from Mexico told me "the farther south you go the more insane it gets." And we saw that with 2816, yes a lot of stereotypes of Mexicans were confirmed and probably new ones were made lol. But there was kinda a bit of mass hysteria made from this that is causing people to think every Mexican is an idiot and that is not true, yes idiots are everywhere but so are smart people. I think Mexico was a mix, yes I think there were more uneducated people than educated but they really meant no harm they just got too excited and didn't know any better, I say those who wanted to cause harm where those who vandalized the train and tried jumping on the train when it was moving. Another thing too is that the people who were climbing onto the train at that one servicing stop, those are village people who live in the country, in those villages they don't get out very much and don't really see steam locomotives and what they did yes was stupid and disrespectful to CPKC but you also have to remember that they weren't really taught how to respect private property because in those small villages everyone pretty much shares everything community wise. And just know there is nothing wrong with that, it is just how they survive.
Seen that video, and the most striking thing is the absolute noise, the "DONG" that clearly rings out of her head getting battered by a 500-ton fucker of speed & steam pressure - you can hear that impact over the sound of both the train AND the crowd.
Also seen the video. I am SHOCKED it wasn't more graphic. But I digress, that child close to her seems to be her son, and that poor boy doesn't need to be more traumatized than i'm sure he already is
If there's anything redeeming about this, it's now there's many people in Mexico clamoring to get one of their own steam locomotives restored and back on the tracks. So maybe we will see one of their 4-8-4 Niagaras on the Chepe or Transistmitico someday. There's at least 12 Mexican 4-8-4's preserved, so there's enough parts to do it.
Ya esta en funcionamiento nada más k los presidente ratas anteriormente vendía todo a USA si no seríamos mejor que USA es la locomotora del tren interoceanico esta en funcionamiento
2816 got towed by diesels in mexico to make sure crowds don't get too chaotic again. If they get to Laredo, Texas or even cross the boarder. Maybe let the diesels uncouple and let 2816 lead to train back to canada.
Solution. Run steam locomotives more often and educate on trains and railroad safety to beable to enjoy excursion trains and regular service trains…something is hard for some normies and more to understand this
Can you imagine what would happen if locomotives like N&W 611, UP 4014 and/or SP 4449 went on a world tour? Incidents involving them would probably be extremely hectic and chaotic!
Last time I saw the big boy come through herman mo some folks chose to climb a signal tower to get photage. Then folks were all over the tracks / diamonds when it went through rochelle ill.
I am from Mexico and the behavior of the people is totally shameful and they actually had to call armed guards (which is really the national guard), the vast majority of these incidents occurring in the north of the country, I reiterate that it is super embarrassing for me As a Mexican, seeing people behave like apes, the empress generated a lot of emotion since steam trains stopped being seen since 1960.
ya know when i Ask for more Canadian Trains on this Channel i knew ya would make a video about this Tour BUT i DIDNT Know what happened down in Mexico! sigh so much for Something Special for Canada Pacific Kansas City.....Speaking of please do a Vid on Canadian Trains please or a History of CPKC.
I understand this might be a joke but stop talking about the locomotive like it’s a person and instead think about its crew. I’m sure a lot of people on the tour train aren’t gonna forget this.
Darkness. Do you realize this is the third time in the preservation era where a Canadian Pacific steam engine formerly affiliated with Steamtown has suffered an infamous accident that you’ve made a video of? First 1278, then 2317, and now the Empress.
Pero todo no es malo y aqui un video de las cosas buenas que trajo la Emperatriz cuando paso por Mexico ruclips.net/video/v9jqcxknDHI/видео.htmlsi=Zz9pYBTE8AFQd83g
I've seen railroads call in extra security for steam excursions before. For example, when SP 4449 made her epic trip to Michigan in 2009, I was at the East Lansing station stop for it. CN had a couple of their railway police officers--in uniform--there to manage the crowds and keep people off the right-of-way. Nothing wrong with that, they rarely host steam, they'd asked Doyle McCormick to get her off their road as quickly as they could, so she was hauling ass through much of the area, and she's such a flashy celebrity that they knew there'd be big crowds. I've never seen them have to call in the fucking *ARMY* to control the crowds before...
Makes me feel bad for all of the locals and railfans who live in Mexico who viewed 2816 safely and with respect towards the crew and equipment, people just had to ruin the experience for them. However, one thing that makes me royally frustrated is the fact that Railroad articles had to cover this subject while CPKC barely mentioned it. I feel CPKC should be more transparent on the subject, no matter how bad it is in order to promote railroad safety.
I feel bad for Mexican rail fans who know how to behave around the rails. This is gonna make it even rarer for steam to come to their country again. Does Mexico have heritage steam of its own?
In the UK our railways are fenced off and I'm always slightly surprised that other countries don't do this. Sure we have trespassing incidents but not things like this! I get that it would probably be a lot to maintain, and very expensive considering how much track these railway companies own, but surely some methods of protection/deterrence need to be found. Absolutely horrible that a tragedy occurred. The enthusiasm's great, but please be responsible.
We all felt awful about those tragedies involved, as a mexican railfan we all have to pay the broken dishes for a few careless ones, cant blame the decision about bringin the empress to mexico, at the end, it could happened in any country but let me tell you, this could be the last event for us in mexico saddly😢
Soy mexicano and the truth is that it was a very bad idea since here in Mexico there is not much railway culture so to speak. Literally, shootings were happening and they found bodies somewhere when the Empress was in CDMX and the railway infrastructure in Mexico is not the best that can be expected except in the south where I live. since there is a project called Tren Maya that took 4 years to build but already has 8 active lines The result of the elections is practically new, they are going to implement 8 new railway lines to the country but that may take another 4 years. Saludos 🖐
While the time spent in Mexico had its challenges I’d argue that there is a lot of good that came from that portion of the trip. The whole point of the trip was to celebrate the merger and I would argue that they managed that with great success!
For what it's worth: I went to see UP 4014, many Americans were acting like idiots and the police had to show up for crowd control, there, too. People have mentioned Flying Scotsman as well, where the old bill (British Transport Police) had to show up to chase rabid spotters off platforms at King's Cross and out of restricted areas. So I think your judgement on this may be a bit harsh. I'd really kind of put some blame on CPKC for poor planning, I mean, they knew no steam locomotive had shown up on those tracks for a couple of generations.
the footage is brutal, so horribly sad. I think over-excitement and inexperience is the main cause of all this, and that just makes it even sadder. I don't know how you'd go about mass safety education for something as uncommon as this (operation lifesaver equivalent as someone mentioned?) but I hope it somehow happens. Personally, I hope 2816 DOES return to Mexico someday and it can be a fun and safe time for all. Here's hoping.
Talk to the president/CEO of CPKC. From what I gathered from a person in the comments of the another video on 2816's incident, the only reason the tour to mexico is happening is because the CEO basically to be there personally instead of going their on his own time.
@@supergenesisstation1991 Also, Why Don't You Ask Him Why He Even Thought Merging CP With KCS Was A Good Idea, Becuase Tt's Going To Put The North American Railway Industry In An Unstable Postion. This Is Because If They Start Running (Direct/Non-Stop) Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, IL, Toronto, ON Or Montréal, QC, All Of The Other Class I Railroads Are Going To Complain And Then We'll Be Witnessing The Biggest Railway War In North American Railroading History. I Don't Know What The STB Was Thinking Because That Was A Detail That Was COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED When They Gave This Merger The Greenlight
@owilliams1031 To Be Fair Most Of Those Countries Are Much Smaller Than The U.S. And The Railways Are Mainly Run By Those Countries' Respective Governments. The Reason Why That Poses Risks In North America Is Because The Railways Are Privately Owned Now You Have A Single Railroad Operating Within The U.S. Canada And Mexico. If CPKC Starts Running Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, Toronto Or Montréal, The Other Railroads Are Going To Complain Because No Other Railroad Has Tracks In The U.S. Canada And Mexico.
Even though it was her own fault, I feel bad about the woman who died. She wasn't doing it to be a bampot. She was just an enthusiast who enthused in the wrong way. And it does provoke uncomfortable memories of the behaviour when Flying Scotsman was out on Network Rail metals. As far as I'm aware no-one died and we didn't need to get the army out, but she did have to run at little more than walking pace sometimes, which of course also creates delays for service trains. And in our case the tracks are almost always fenced in, you can't just wander onto them like you can in so much of North America. The result of all of that is that timings are kept quiet (frustrates responsible railfans), and there remains a very real fear that Network Rail might simply ban steam tours completely.
Nonsense! Accidents happen. It happened with UP 844 a few years back. Instead, the whole affair has been a spectacular success from the get-go, and surely is the envy of several other rails running steam now and then.
You cant fix stupid....... will i guess you can it just involves standing Infront of a train. Common sence should tell you DONT STAND IN FRONT OF A MOVING MASS OF METAL MOVING AT ANT RATE OF SPEED.
I am as or more angry than you, and it is because all those stupid people who made all the mess tarnish the image of Mexicans and true railfans like me that it was annoying to be waiting for the locomotive and looking for a good place alone so that suddenly the place is full of stupid people getting in the way and things like that
let me just say that a lot of what many American railfans are saying about this tour mostly based on a total lack of knowledge of the situation in Mexico. Let me be clear, I do not justify how reckless the people acted, however the arrival of this specific train did caused a lot of buzz, may be much more than CPKC was expecting. First of all, this was the first time that a mainline steam engine operated in Mexican territory since the late 1960s, for the large majority of Mexicans (born after 1970) this was important because most people have never seen an steam locomotive in operation, (except on movies). Also you must take into consideration that regular passenger train services ended nation wide around 1998 (except from the cooper canyon train), anyone born after 1998 has never seen a passenger train. I was told that 3000 people lined up to see this locomotive while it was on display in Mexico city. By not means this can justify how some people acted. It is sad to see a lot of racist talk online about the people in Mexico and implying that nothing like that ever has happened in the US, when in fact, it has happened sporadically and most old timers who had the chance of riding the big mainline railfan trips can relate to what when down in Mexico. Most young American railfans don't know that Mexico was a railroad nation. We had a similar network like in the United States and operated the same type of equipment. It was very common to see passenger trains almost everywhere, and railroad transportation was part of our identity. However due to government ineptitude our railway network shrank dramatically between the years 1998 and 2000. literally all passenger routes and trains cased operations. Any railway line that did not had enough freight traffic was truncated and in most cases the tracks were lifted. I remember the fate of the branch line that used to serve the town I was born there. Regular passenger service end around 1994 and by 2000 all 45 miles of track were lifted. Today, anyone who was born after 1990 in that region never was this train and many do not even know a railroad ever serve their community. I really hope that CPKC does this tour again.
100% agreed!!! Hopefully more people find your comment because yeah there's a lot of people that are pretty ignorant on all this and some are just being plain racist. Here in the US it gets pretty rare to see freight cars not vandalized. Dumb people doing dumb things are everywhere which is something simple yet not so simple to comprehend as there are specific people that can't understand this and instead take advantage of it to go for stereotypes and bash Mexico as a whole which is very disrespectful, childish and ignorant. They probably only hear about Mexico from everyone else's point of view but an actual Mexican. I too hope CPKC does the tour down to Mexico again as well!!!
There are no operating steam locomotives in Mexico. The are a number of them on display at different locations and museum. but none of them are in operating condition
Once upon a time, the US railroads HATED having to interchange cars with the Mexican railroads. Their cars would literally disappear and get lost down in Mexico for months. Never mind them and the locomotives getting vandalized. And someone thought it’d be a good idea to send a steam engine down there?!! Lesson learned……I hope. If it makes it back to the states in one piece instead of it sitting on concrete blocks with the wheels stolen off it, after it hit someone, I’ll be impressed.
I understand we need a lot of education regarding safety, but how do you think such culture to develop if we don't ever get excisions for decade after decade, I also believe the "lesson learned" and let's hope it comes back whitout it's weeks stolen" parts of your comment only feed harmful steriotyoes to Mexicans.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Like Group B rally crowds back in the day, people are clueless. (Didn’t Big Boy 4014 have to emergency stop somewhere to avoid some idiot standing on/next to track with a camera?)
Y lo peor de todo es que hubo youtubers muy conocidos en mexico que sacaron arvertencias de seguridad sobre no acercarse demaciado a la locomotora por el vapor que sale de la locomotora y justamente eso mismo terminaron haciendo dejando en ridiculo a todo un pais por tan mala organisacion en este tipo de eventos
@ONRGP91600 ¡Sí, Es Una Lástima! Estoy Feliz Que Los Aficionados Ferroviaros Mexicanos Tuvieron La Opición Para Mirar Esa Máquina Histórica. Lo Siento, Pero Es Posible Que CPR 2816 No Regresará A México Nunca Jamás. Ni Ninguna Locomotora De Vapor Viaja A México.
It clearly shows that Mexicans have a different level of risk acceptance, you see it in other places like the fireworks festivals and markets as well But turning your back to a speeding train when standing in the right of way? Same scenes happened in Europe where rally races in Spain and Portugal in the 1980s were notorious for the risk people took to see the cars and their heros, the crowd splitting up just in front of cars approaching with over 100mph like the sea did split open for Moses to get trough. Many a spectator killed at these events until the FIA started boycotting these events until they took measures to keep spectators off the course.
Legend has it that somebody planted a tire-stabbing device along the ‘57 Mille Miglia in Italy, and that’s what caused the deadly crash that got the race abolished.
Mexico is basically what it is today because of never ending corruption and a gov that cares very little for anyone in its nation, the people have a lot of pride, but they have no respect for a lot of shit. But that doesn’t mean they have none at all. It’s a odd thing because that’s a big thing for them too is respect. They probably all did get super hyped off the rest of the people there, likely a lot of beer was involved, and a sad thing happened. It’s the woman’s fault period.
AS AN LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER SUPERVISOR I TOLD MY LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEERS IN REGARD TO GRADE CROSSING ACCIDENTS, OR PEDESTRIANS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ,THAT YOU CAN NOT PREVENT SELF SUICIDE, WHETHER IT WAS INTENDED, OR NOT!!! KEEP THEM ROLLING, BROTHERS!!👍👍
Long ago I did a "RAL aka Rent A Locomotive at a museum fundraiser and when they were showing me the controls and stuff, the museum's engineer said people are stupid around tracks and scan the area in front of you non-stop in case some idiot ran in front of the thing.
I rode behind 2816 from Milwaukee's Amtrak station to Chicago's Union Station in 2007. It was a nice day with beautiful weather, not many people on the train (employees and guests only), lunch was provided, and we took the UP-freight line down to Bensenville and then east to Union Station.
There are multiple t-shirts and notebooks and clothing items popularly marketed which proclaim, "I have the (female anatomy) so I make the rules" which doesn't seem at first glance to be a message about having a willingness to adhere to rules made by others.
I think that’s just the National Guard, since the whole situation with the cartel thing is ehhh… they go around acting as police. I’ve been to Mexico and they are everywhere especially in urban areas
What was supposed to be a grand historic occasion sadly ended up being ruined. I hope this doesn't cause CPKC to not run 2816 again. It'd be a shame if she was left inside a shed for a long time again. They could still run her in Canada and the US. I've been wondering if the deal between CPKC and CSX on an Alabama connection goes through if they would run 2816 to Jacksonville FL via the CSX bowline from Montgomery Al to celebrate. Yes, before you ask, that's my home line, hence my channel name. My line, to date, hasn't had a steam locomotive run on it since SP Daylight 4449 came through on her Amtrak excursion to get home after the AFT concluded, and I've longed for steam to come through. Speaking of 4449, I'm glad her auxiliary tender came back unscathed.
Even though I’m Hispanic, I have never seen how life is down there, but by how our parents talk when complaining about us youngsters (they could’ve used birth control in the first place). It sounds like the economy in Latin America is so fucked up that they can’t afford school supplies. If they can’t afford school supplies, then how can they afford running a steam engine? People that are slightly below middle class here in the US are like millionaires down south. And on top of the fact that government officials and politicians are CORRUPT as fuck down there bribe their way up the ranks, they over tax people, the cartels are always making people’s lives even more miserable by threatening to kill family members or steal or vandalise their property or whatever business they have. That’s why most people down there will move heaven and earth to move up here to the US, because up here we have more opportunities than down there. Why do you think that could be a big reason for why people were kind of like that around 2816?
@@imaketrainzvideos i would explain in more detail about this (since im mexican) but im pretty Lazy to do so. But im gonna explain just a little bit, most of what you said mainly happens in the south (of course it also happens in México but never experienced it). The best example i can think of is Venezuela, place in which the power goes on and off constantly thanks to the goverment
People often think that the width of the train tracks is the width of the train and they think that as long as they aren’t over the rails they won’t get hit. In reality trains are often wider than the ties that the rails are placed on and can overhang the rails by as much as 3 feet or more. This was seen during the UP 4014 big boy inaugural excursion back in 2019 when track workers had to rocks further from the tracks because the big boys front cylinders couldn’t pass by safely without possibly damaging them. I think the rocks where placed 5 feet away from the tracks but that still wasn’t enough for big boy to pass through. There’s a reason why the rule of stay 25 feet away from the tracks is used. I remember when I stood 25 feet away from a passing freight train and I felt the ground shaking beneath my feet. Even though I was following the rule it still felt too close.
There are many reasons about this that I agree with you, Is a lot of enthusiasm, hype and excitement with 2816 that CP people can't figure out how big could this be, the more southern the 2816 went the more people surrounding the tracks, the media played a very important role in this ocasion and without any idea, they spread the topic so well, and so massive that people make It overwhelming. I hope to see the Empress coming again to México with all the knowledge and experience that this trip gave to the crew on this greatfull experience, not all was disaster ane chaos, also the people let know to the CP how many the 2816 was Loved and welcomed.
One of the F-Units as well as a couple of the passenger cars did infact get vandalized and tagged with graffiti, it got bad enough that when they stopped running for the day, 2816's head light and other "jewelry" had wood crates placed over them. Say what you will, but I personally hope CP never brings 2816 into Mexico ever again. Their laws regarding railroad safety in Mexico are pretty much non existent as compared to here in the states and even in Canada. Somehow I knew before hand that there would be issues when they got to Mexico, and sure nuf, there were... Hopefully CP learned a lesson from this.
Hopefully it didn't take too much work to clean the person off of her. It's a shame the crew and CPKC has to go through this. Hopefully this doesn't put 2816 back in the warehouse is Calgary.
You should talk about the sudden tornado that hit Michigan a few days ago and severely injured a mother and killed her child there was no warning and the sirens never turned on
Here info⬇️ Here is some information about the history of the Empress train ¹ ² ³ ⁴ ⁵ ⁶: - The Empress is also known as the Canadian Pacific 2816. - It is a class "H1b" 4-6-4 Hudson-type steam locomotive. - The Empress was built by the Montreal Locomotive Works. - The Empress pulled passenger trains for 30 years through the 1930s, 40s and 50s. - The locomotive is now almost 100 years old. - The Empress is a frequent visitor to the Crown of the Continent. - The Empress is now running on the Final Spike Steam Train between Calgary and Mexico City. So it went all the way from Calgary, Canada to Mexico City And back. Look it up on the map
Did you know there were people crying when they saw this stupid train. That was like seeing a dinosaur alive for us mexicans. Because we, unlike american kids who don’t get exited about nothing but their stupid pc videogames, do appreciate and admire history. ❤❤❤❤ Can’t wait for Big Boy union pacific to come to Mexico 🇲🇽
I live in Lethbridge, Alberta. and from time to time saw and heard 2816 come through town and the only time I went to out see it was about fifteen years ago when they had her here for a few days doing an IMAX movie on the "Lethbridge Viaduct" the highest and longest bridge of the type in the world. Even then there were only a few people out as you can tell by the videos posted on RUclips about it.
And this, kids, is why you don’t merge a CANADIAN RAILROAD WITH AN AMERICAN ONE!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!? Not trying to start a war or be a bad guy or nothing.
I honestly feel bad for the actual responsible railfans who just wanna enjoy getting something they barely see down there only for idiots to just ruin the whole experience and give them a bad name.
We use to haul for Formula 1 racing back early 90s from the race in Montreal Canada Down to Mexico City Mexico and from LAX to Phoenix,AZ. Car and all the pit equipment, parts and few trailers of tires for them. 4 days south of the border. Any way we would convoy from TX board down and back with Federally Police escort. Nothing like feeling secure rolling through a small town with federally police with automatic weapons leaning on the hood of their car watching use go by.
God the footage of the crowds reminds me of when 4014 first returned to service in 2019. Heck I experienced the crowds firsthand two years later when she came to my neck of the woods in St. Louis. As she left Washington, Missouri two cars got into a wreck as they raced to catch her out of the city limits. Needless to say stay safe when around Railroad Equipment kids.
Only thing I can figure is Canada and US there's a lawyer,judge and jury willing to sue the railroad on behalf of the next of kin of someone thzt Darwin Awards themselves on railroad property. Go back and look at excursion trips and events such as these from the 60s 70s and into the 80s but not as much and you'll see people shooting film and pictures from freight cars on sidings and signals masts and overheads. It's most likely the family goès to a lawyer saying hey our family member got themselves bounced off the cylinder chest of a speeding steam engine taking a selfie in the gauge and we'd like to sue a lawyer is going to laugh them out of their office explaining they'd be disbarred bringing that before a judge.
My good man, #2816's Mexico tour was, in my opinion, is a throwback to steam fantrips in the old days. I believe that the Mexican railfans got too excited for their own good. Take note, I think this is the first steam locomotive that ran on the Mexican mainline since the end of steam in Mexico in the 1960s.
80's had many fantrips.
844 was involved in a fatal accident back in 2017. 3985 was in one on a stream tour as well (though that one was suicide).
@@karlrovey 2018 actually
@@wavesnbikes Like with 765 and 2102
@@wavesnbikes In Mexico?
No one can blame the crew for the accident that happened with the woman. People need to realize that standing in front of a moving train to take a selfie is not safe or smart!
the fact that we need to tell people this is proof that we've failed as a species
I’d blame management for deciding to even go there. 1 RUclips search and you’ll see they don’t respect the tracks down there
You are correct and they do not listen to anyone down there, I have seen the raw footage of the woman being hit among other videos. They show alot of disrespect for this old girl.
Same, I can see why all of this happened unfortunately
Especially when you know the train is coming at you at full speed ESPECIALLY WHEN IS A GOD DAMN STEAM LOCOMOTIVE THAT HAS 5000 HORSEPOWER
First, the F Unit got vandalized, then, 2816 killed someone because they stood too close to the track, and they had to call in the FRICKIN MILITARY
In fairness, someone got THEMSELVES killed by 2816. They were supid enough to get too close to the tracks, blinded by clout chasing
Erm well ackchually they are FP9As
YOU FEEL BETTER NOW? You feel good on correcting someone? YOU absolute clown. @rambling_railfan
@@rambling_railfan Sorry I'm not really good with F units :(
@@GoofyVirginian630 He’s just messing around trying to sound like a nerd, he wasn’t correcting you don’t worry
I'd argue it went so well that CPKC wasn't prepared for the hype it would create. It was an unfortunate learning experience on the kind of crowd control that's needed, but it shows the excitement a steam excursion can raise.
As a Mexican myself it hurt me to see people from this country not caring about the safety around the rails, i had never in my life seen a working steam locomotive before until The Empress came to visit because there simply aren’t any here, all of them are either long gone lost to the scrapper’s torch, abandoned somewhere or preserved in museums but none of them operate so i guess it’s kinda understandable why people acted this way with 2816… but yet again, your life is worth more than a simple photo
And probably because of this and the bad look it’s giving to us Mexican railfans 2816 might very well be the last steamer we’ll ever see in operating condition.. and that honestly sucks
@-hv-9936 ¡Sí, Es Una Lástima! Estoy Feliz Que Los Aficionados Ferroviaros Mexicanos Tuvieron La Opición Para Mirar Esa Máquina Histórica. Pero Desafortunadamente, Es Posible Que CPR #2816 No Regresará A México Nunca Jamás. Ni Ninguna Locomotora De Vapor Viaja A México. Yeah, It's A Shame I'm Glad The Mexican Railfans Got To Look At That Piece Of History. But Unfornunately, It's Possible That CPR 2816 Will Never Ever Return To Mexico Again. Nor Will Any Steam Locomotive Travel To Mexico.
@@calebtrains2261 unfortunately it seems that the only way we’ll ever see another steam engine moving under it’s own power on Mexican rails is if someone decides to restore one of the many locomotives on display here.. which is highly unlikely
Hola we
I feel immensely bad for the engine crews. I can't imagine how the engineer must feel knowing that the locomotive their driving ended a human life.
i get what you trying to say and ya but at the same time i dont feel to bad for them every railroader knows that everything in on and about the railroad was made in blood sweet and tears leaned the hard way (like in this case) and if thay dont then thair in the wrong job.
It is sad but at the same time your in the way of the train if you do stuff like this then no one to blame but your self the crew do not have to give the slightest shit for a death by thair loco when your just doing your job knowing that mexico anit safe as is if your running down thar you dont stop for good reason a lot of the time its you or them and you better pick you becuse thay wont
@@71midnightKnowing the railroad's history of human cost does not make crews immune to human emotions. It affects many of them deeply even though logically they know there's nothing they could have done.
Here in Mexico... Sadly in mexico, engineers are dealing with idiots who always put on risk their lives almost EVERY DAY. Its a common thing because the police don't do crap. They don't arrest vandals. They are easy to fool with some money. Its a mess Mexico's security system. And it has been for at least 30 years
the woman ended her own life not the train its her fault its literally common sense that if get to close to a moving TRAIN its gonna be dangerous
@@tanker1425 Like really. It was her own fault. Not the engineer. Not the railroad. Her. Whats worse? That woman was a school teacher. Literally a person who's job is educating people did something as reckless as that!?
to be fair, as a Brit, I can't point fingers on this... people over here get a little careless with general safety any time Flying Scotsman is out and about
guy almost getting run over by a 170.vlc
A big problem is a lack of culture awareness about Rail safety in Mexico. There's no equivalent of Operation Lifesaver to inform the public about the importance of being safe around trains and when you combine an uninformed mass population with a nation who has no real history of steam preservation (thus meaning very few people there have seen a steam locomotive in motion), it was an inevitable tragedy.
I hope that the new President of Mexico uses this situation as well as the incident where the British Rail HST hit a truck at an unmarked crossing to kickstart a proper rail safety awareness program.
She's just gonna push W E F ideology
Not just a Mexico problem. Despite education and warnings, people will still put themselves in harm's way and trespass on a railroad right of way. In my city, in the last month, two deaths have happened from people being on the track.
@@abpsd73I'm sorry to hear that
Unfortunately the new president of Mexico is a woke liberal who probably doesn’t give a darn about people’s safety. Gotta wait until they stop rigging the elections.
Somos mexicanos hermosa mo entendemos y no vale lo que no digan no como es USA o canada que les.tiene miedo a los pifia lo.siento pero México lo recibimos tan alegres como todo lo que viene de afuera por k sin recuerdos y México es país más alegres viva México 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
As a Mexican railfan, I feel bad about this.
@gustavodelarosa5656 ¡Sí, Es Una Lástima! Estoy Feliz Que Los Aficionados Ferroviaros Mexicanos Tuvieron La Opición Para Mirar Esa Máquina Histórica. Pero Desafortunadamente, Es Posible Que CPR #2816 No Regresará A México Nunca Jamás. Ni Ninguna Locomotora De Vapor Viaja A México. Yeah, It's A Shame I'm Glad The Mexican Railfans Got To Look At That Piece Of History. But Unfornunately, It's Possible That CPR 2816 Will Never Ever Return To Mexico Again. Nor Will Any Steam Locomotive Travel To Mexico.
That's good to feel bad from what happened as long as you're not stupid that you didn't got too close to the tracks you're good.
Me as a Puerto Rican, and American railfan I know the absolute cautions of all of it. I do like trains and all, but two I do realize the dangers and the risks of why this can happen and I mean seriously people don't realize that those are big heavy strong machines that it can easily kill its victims because they won't have no time to stop the engine to prevent an accident nor the people that they're being more carelessly in that moment that they have to move out of the way which they didn't if a train is going 20 or 30 mph. I'm not trying to be rude and all but still. I also took in that same argument too like literally what are they thinking if those trains like I said are big heavy strong machines it can literally take you out if you're too dangerously close to the tracks like literally. Me that I have all the knowledge about all of this in the railroad, i should really absolutely know because seriously. Like I said I'm really not trying to be this rude guy and all but, "People from Mexico WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING"
Trust me this is what happens when you have a magnet for such incidents come to town
@@Railhog2102 Yup you're definitely right.....
I can’t be the only one think your overreacting to this.
This is oddly reminiscent of Flying Scotsman’s USA tour
only scotsman had issues getting back... Still ran after sitting in the desert though.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
Stupidity and no Respect.🦡
Ditto to the unrelated vandals who vandalised a restored 1938 London Underground train that stopped an excursion from happening
I am Mexican, I apologize on behalf of all the railroad fans in the country for all the inconveniences that may have occurred.
Pal it's way more then JUST an inconvenience, no railroad wants to do steam excursions to Mexico city now, vandalusm, a death , lack of good policing, lackmod security and having to bring in the military to assist police.
Inconvenience? MAY HAVE? I don't think you understand how serious this is, now theres the out of controle migrant crises , and the cartell you not going see any american/canadian steam excursions any tine soon, it's just not safe
@@elprofeb.8863 You don’t need to apologize. Not only you don’t seem to be one of the ones who acted badly but there are plenty Mexicans who know better but I think Mexico should have its own version of Operation Lifesaver so it can promote railway safety so this shouldn’t happen again.
Something I want to mention is that Mexico is a completely different country from the USA and Canada and how people treat trains in Mexico is obviously going to be different. and Yes, no matter where you are and no matter how much safety you enforce there is always gonna be Darwin award recipients competing. But thats not what I am trying to stat here because what a lot of people don't realize is that things didn't start going downhill for 2816 when they entered Mexico everything started going down hill when they passed Monterrey, Mexico. Monterrey is a fairly rich and modernized city in Mexico and the environment in the city is very similar to big cities in the USA and Canada. I bring this up because if you watch videos of 2816 before it passes Monterrey everyone is controlling themselves and not getting too close but once they passed Monterrey and got out into the countryside thats when all hell broke lose. As a Mexican friend from Mexico told me "the farther south you go the more insane it gets." And we saw that with 2816, yes a lot of stereotypes of Mexicans were confirmed and probably new ones were made lol. But there was kinda a bit of mass hysteria made from this that is causing people to think every Mexican is an idiot and that is not true, yes idiots are everywhere but so are smart people. I think Mexico was a mix, yes I think there were more uneducated people than educated but they really meant no harm they just got too excited and didn't know any better, I say those who wanted to cause harm where those who vandalized the train and tried jumping on the train when it was moving. Another thing too is that the people who were climbing onto the train at that one servicing stop, those are village people who live in the country, in those villages they don't get out very much and don't really see steam locomotives and what they did yes was stupid and disrespectful to CPKC but you also have to remember that they weren't really taught how to respect private property because in those small villages everyone pretty much shares everything community wise. And just know there is nothing wrong with that, it is just how they survive.
Seen that video, and the most striking thing is the absolute noise, the "DONG" that clearly rings out of her head getting battered by a 500-ton fucker of speed & steam pressure - you can hear that impact over the sound of both the train AND the crowd.
Also seen the video. I am SHOCKED it wasn't more graphic. But I digress, that child close to her seems to be her son, and that poor boy doesn't need to be more traumatized than i'm sure he already is
If there's anything redeeming about this, it's now there's many people in Mexico clamoring to get one of their own steam locomotives restored and back on the tracks. So maybe we will see one of their 4-8-4 Niagaras on the Chepe or Transistmitico someday. There's at least 12 Mexican 4-8-4's preserved, so there's enough parts to do it.
Ya esta en funcionamiento nada más k los presidente ratas anteriormente vendía todo a USA si no seríamos mejor que USA
es la locomotora del tren interoceanico esta en funcionamiento
Does everyone in favor of reviving one of those engines have enough discipline to keep their distance while it’s in motion?
2816 got towed by diesels in mexico to make sure crowds don't get too chaotic again. If they get to Laredo, Texas or even cross the boarder. Maybe let the diesels uncouple and let 2816 lead to train back to canada.
They let her lead into Canada
That suck because we all wish to see 2816 back on steam so just hoping CPKC not stop the steam program again after what happen in Mexico
Solution. Run steam locomotives more often and educate on trains and railroad safety to beable to enjoy excursion trains and regular service trains…something is hard for some normies and more to understand this
Perhaps CPKC can restore one of the former N de M locomotives...
@@MarceloBenoit-trenesWere any of those preserved?
@@owilliams1031 a lot of them of different sizes.
Can you imagine what would happen if locomotives like N&W 611, UP 4014 and/or SP 4449 went on a world tour? Incidents involving them would probably be extremely hectic and chaotic!
Last time I saw the big boy come through herman mo some folks chose to climb a signal tower to get photage. Then folks were all over the tracks / diamonds when it went through rochelle ill.
I swear if they ever even TOUCHED 611 it’s an all out war
I have to think people wouldn't be so..."casually stupid" with UP 4014; the palpaple aura of power should keep the borderline sane at a safe distance.
@@richtravis9562 as well as the hancock 3 chime
That would cause WW3, I'm not even kidding.
The Empress is not coming back to Mexico
No shit after this whole mess
They should've parked her north of the border and let the F units go on with the GE since those have historical paint jobs on 'em.
Is not going back anywhere because is going to a museum 😂😂
Is not going back anywhere because is going to a museum 😂😂😂
@@srajfnly2 I’m pretty sure no steam engine, US or Canadian, is ever going to Mexico
I am from Mexico and the behavior of the people is totally shameful and they actually had to call armed guards (which is really the national guard), the vast majority of these incidents occurring in the north of the country, I reiterate that it is super embarrassing for me As a Mexican, seeing people behave like apes, the empress generated a lot of emotion since steam trains stopped being seen since 1960.
ya know when i Ask for more Canadian Trains on this Channel i knew ya would make a video about this Tour BUT i DIDNT Know what happened down in Mexico! sigh so much for Something Special for Canada Pacific Kansas City.....Speaking of please do a Vid on Canadian Trains please or a History of CPKC.
Empress gonna have ptsd after this
Reportedly, her driver does.
I understand this might be a joke but stop talking about the locomotive like it’s a person and instead think about its crew. I’m sure a lot of people on the tour train aren’t gonna forget this.
Oh yeah after this definitely, When I was around 2102 the crowds were perfect to follow safety measures unlike this
What in the name of Sir Nigel Gresley even was any of that!? We shouldn't have to be calling in armed guards to protect the train from people!
Darkness. Do you realize this is the third time in the preservation era where a Canadian Pacific steam engine formerly affiliated with Steamtown has suffered an infamous accident that you’ve made a video of? First 1278, then 2317, and now the Empress.
@today2293 you'd be suprised that there's literally railroads out there that have a worse record bud
@today2293
Cough Cough Milwaukee Road Cough Cough
Pero todo no es malo y aqui un video de las cosas buenas que trajo la Emperatriz cuando paso por Mexico ruclips.net/video/v9jqcxknDHI/видео.htmlsi=Zz9pYBTE8AFQd83g
And that British intercity train in Mexico already hit a car too
I've seen railroads call in extra security for steam excursions before. For example, when SP 4449 made her epic trip to Michigan in 2009, I was at the East Lansing station stop for it. CN had a couple of their railway police officers--in uniform--there to manage the crowds and keep people off the right-of-way. Nothing wrong with that, they rarely host steam, they'd asked Doyle McCormick to get her off their road as quickly as they could, so she was hauling ass through much of the area, and she's such a flashy celebrity that they knew there'd be big crowds.
I've never seen them have to call in the fucking *ARMY* to control the crowds before...
It's Mexico though, they have armed guards even on some freight trains because of people stealing from the train cars.
Makes me feel bad for all of the locals and railfans who live in Mexico who viewed 2816 safely and with respect towards the crew and equipment, people just had to ruin the experience for them. However, one thing that makes me royally frustrated is the fact that Railroad articles had to cover this subject while CPKC barely mentioned it. I feel CPKC should be more transparent on the subject, no matter how bad it is in order to promote railroad safety.
I feel bad for Mexican rail fans who know how to behave around the rails. This is gonna make it even rarer for steam to come to their country again.
Does Mexico have heritage steam of its own?
No, and I think that the lack of operating steam locomotives was one of the main issues to contribute to this nonsense.
@@MarceloBenoit-trenes such a shame, they do something nice for them and this chaos ensues
In the UK our railways are fenced off and I'm always slightly surprised that other countries don't do this. Sure we have trespassing incidents but not things like this! I get that it would probably be a lot to maintain, and very expensive considering how much track these railway companies own, but surely some methods of protection/deterrence need to be found. Absolutely horrible that a tragedy occurred. The enthusiasm's great, but please be responsible.
We all felt awful about those tragedies involved, as a mexican railfan we all have to pay the broken dishes for a few careless ones, cant blame the decision about bringin the empress to mexico, at the end, it could happened in any country but let me tell you, this could be the last event for us in mexico saddly😢
Soy mexicano
and the truth is that it was a very bad idea since here in Mexico there is not much railway culture so to speak. Literally, shootings were happening and they found bodies somewhere when the Empress was in CDMX and the railway infrastructure in Mexico is not the best that can be expected except in the south where I live. since there is a project called Tren Maya that took 4 years to build but already has 8 active lines The result of the elections is practically new, they are going to implement 8 new railway lines to the country but that may take another 4 years.
Saludos 🖐
While the time spent in Mexico had its challenges I’d argue that there is a lot of good that came from that portion of the trip. The whole point of the trip was to celebrate the merger and I would argue that they managed that with great success!
I’m suprised 2816 hasn’t gotten robbed
it did, some idiot stole the lamp and her number
@@TheRealJazz359that’s true
@@TheRealJazz359 It didn’t, all of the lights and number plates are still intact. Only the 1401, one of the F units, was vandalized
@@benc.5863 oh, I saw a picture of 2816 without the two. sorry!
I feel sorry for 2816 like how I feel sorry for the British HST that ran over a car (also in Mexico).
Wait what?
Dude. Feel sorry for the CREW. The fucking locomotive don’t have any goddam feelings
How many of those did Mexican National Railways buy, and how long did they keep them after that happened?
@@owilliams1031 They got 3 atleast and far as we know still in service
For what it's worth: I went to see UP 4014, many Americans were acting like idiots and the police had to show up for crowd control, there, too. People have mentioned Flying Scotsman as well, where the old bill (British Transport Police) had to show up to chase rabid spotters off platforms at King's Cross and out of restricted areas.
So I think your judgement on this may be a bit harsh. I'd really kind of put some blame on CPKC for poor planning, I mean, they knew no steam locomotive had shown up on those tracks for a couple of generations.
the footage is brutal, so horribly sad. I think over-excitement and inexperience is the main cause of all this, and that just makes it even sadder. I don't know how you'd go about mass safety education for something as uncommon as this (operation lifesaver equivalent as someone mentioned?) but I hope it somehow happens. Personally, I hope 2816 DOES return to Mexico someday and it can be a fun and safe time for all. Here's hoping.
I would like to talk with whoever made this decision to send 2816 Mexico.
Talk to the president/CEO of CPKC. From what I gathered from a person in the comments of the another video on 2816's incident, the only reason the tour to mexico is happening is because the CEO basically to be there personally instead of going their on his own time.
@@supergenesisstation1991 I am wowed about how many incidents happened in Mexico.
@@supergenesisstation1991 Also, Why Don't You Ask Him Why He Even Thought Merging CP With KCS Was A Good Idea, Becuase Tt's Going To Put The North American Railway Industry In An Unstable Postion. This Is Because If They Start Running (Direct/Non-Stop) Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, IL, Toronto, ON Or Montréal, QC, All Of The Other Class I Railroads Are Going To Complain And Then We'll Be Witnessing The Biggest Railway War In North American Railroading History. I Don't Know What The STB Was Thinking Because That Was A Detail That Was COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED When They Gave This Merger The Greenlight
@@calebtrains2261 On other continents, trains cross borders constantly without such issues.
@owilliams1031 To Be Fair Most Of Those Countries Are Much Smaller Than The U.S. And The Railways Are Mainly Run By Those Countries' Respective Governments. The Reason Why That Poses Risks In North America Is Because The Railways Are Privately Owned Now You Have A Single Railroad Operating Within The U.S. Canada And Mexico. If CPKC Starts Running Trains From Mexico City To Chicago, Toronto Or Montréal, The Other Railroads Are Going To Complain Because No Other Railroad Has Tracks In The U.S. Canada And Mexico.
Even though it was her own fault, I feel bad about the woman who died. She wasn't doing it to be a bampot. She was just an enthusiast who enthused in the wrong way.
And it does provoke uncomfortable memories of the behaviour when Flying Scotsman was out on Network Rail metals. As far as I'm aware no-one died and we didn't need to get the army out, but she did have to run at little more than walking pace sometimes, which of course also creates delays for service trains. And in our case the tracks are almost always fenced in, you can't just wander onto them like you can in so much of North America.
The result of all of that is that timings are kept quiet (frustrates responsible railfans), and there remains a very real fear that Network Rail might simply ban steam tours completely.
Nonsense! Accidents happen. It happened with UP 844 a few years back. Instead, the whole affair has been a spectacular success from the get-go, and surely is the envy of several other rails running steam now and then.
Another classic case of why we can't have nice things. 😢
You cant fix stupid....... will i guess you can it just involves standing Infront of a train. Common sence should tell you DONT STAND IN FRONT OF A MOVING MASS OF METAL MOVING AT ANT RATE OF SPEED.
I am as or more angry than you, and it is because all those stupid people who made all the mess tarnish the image of Mexicans and true railfans like me that it was annoying to be waiting for the locomotive and looking for a good place alone so that suddenly the place is full of stupid people getting in the way and things like that
Makes me wonder if Mexico has any railroad regulation rules.
Foamers in America aren’t even this bad.
let me just say that a lot of what many American railfans are saying about this tour mostly based on a total lack of knowledge of the situation in Mexico. Let me be clear, I do not justify how reckless the people acted, however the arrival of this specific train did caused a lot of buzz, may be much more than CPKC was expecting. First of all, this was the first time that a mainline steam engine operated in Mexican territory since the late 1960s, for the large majority of Mexicans (born after 1970) this was important because most people have never seen an steam locomotive in operation, (except on movies). Also you must take into consideration that regular passenger train services ended nation wide around 1998 (except from the cooper canyon train), anyone born after 1998 has never seen a passenger train. I was told that 3000 people lined up to see this locomotive while it was on display in Mexico city. By not means this can justify how some people acted. It is sad to see a lot of racist talk online about the people in Mexico and implying that nothing like that ever has happened in the US, when in fact, it has happened sporadically and most old timers who had the chance of riding the big mainline railfan trips can relate to what when down in Mexico. Most young American railfans don't know that Mexico was a railroad nation. We had a similar network like in the United States and operated the same type of equipment. It was very common to see passenger trains almost everywhere, and railroad transportation was part of our identity. However due to government ineptitude our railway network shrank dramatically between the years 1998 and 2000. literally all passenger routes and trains cased operations. Any railway line that did not had enough freight traffic was truncated and in most cases the tracks were lifted. I remember the fate of the branch line that used to serve the town I was born there. Regular passenger service end around 1994 and by 2000 all 45 miles of track were lifted. Today, anyone who was born after 1990 in that region never was this train and many do not even know a railroad ever serve their community. I really hope that CPKC does this tour again.
100% agreed!!! Hopefully more people find your comment because yeah there's a lot of people that are pretty ignorant on all this and some are just being plain racist. Here in the US it gets pretty rare to see freight cars not vandalized. Dumb people doing dumb things are everywhere which is something simple yet not so simple to comprehend as there are specific people that can't understand this and instead take advantage of it to go for stereotypes and bash Mexico as a whole which is very disrespectful, childish and ignorant. They probably only hear about Mexico from everyone else's point of view but an actual Mexican. I too hope CPKC does the tour down to Mexico again as well!!!
Are any preserved Mexican National Railways steam locomotives in working order? If not, that could factor into this tomfoolery.
There are no operating steam locomotives in Mexico. The are a number of them on display at different locations and museum. but none of them are in operating condition
Once upon a time, the US railroads HATED having to interchange cars with the Mexican railroads. Their cars would literally disappear and get lost down in Mexico for months. Never mind them and the locomotives getting vandalized. And someone thought it’d be a good idea to send a steam engine down there?!! Lesson learned……I hope. If it makes it back to the states in one piece instead of it sitting on concrete blocks with the wheels stolen off it, after it hit someone, I’ll be impressed.
Aluminium covered hopper hatches would come up missing. Many were converted to a fiberglass cover for that reason.
I understand we need a lot of education regarding safety, but how do you think such culture to develop if we don't ever get excisions for decade after decade, I also believe the "lesson learned" and let's hope it comes back whitout it's weeks stolen" parts of your comment only feed harmful steriotyoes to Mexicans.
Dude they were hauling ass back home in the ACU to escape 😂😂
I hope the driver and fireman are doing okay.
There is no doubt I can see 2816 never returning to Mexico ever again after the fiasco in Mexico.
It might never leave Canada
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Like Group B rally crowds back in the day, people are clueless.
(Didn’t Big Boy 4014 have to emergency stop somewhere to avoid some idiot standing on/next to track with a camera?)
Y lo peor de todo es que hubo youtubers muy conocidos en mexico que sacaron arvertencias de seguridad sobre no acercarse demaciado a la locomotora por el vapor que sale de la locomotora y justamente eso mismo terminaron haciendo dejando en ridiculo a todo un pais por tan mala organisacion en este tipo de eventos
@ONRGP91600 ¡Sí, Es Una Lástima! Estoy Feliz Que Los Aficionados Ferroviaros Mexicanos Tuvieron La Opición Para Mirar Esa Máquina Histórica. Lo Siento, Pero Es Posible Que CPR 2816 No Regresará A México Nunca Jamás. Ni Ninguna Locomotora De Vapor Viaja A México.
It was 844 all over again.
You can say that again 🤦♂️
Since 2021 UP kept on focusing on 4014 for way too long.
It clearly shows that Mexicans have a different level of risk acceptance, you see it in other places like the fireworks festivals and markets as well But turning your back to a speeding train when standing in the right of way?
Same scenes happened in Europe where rally races in Spain and Portugal in the 1980s were notorious for the risk people took to see the cars and their heros, the crowd splitting up just in front of cars approaching with over 100mph like the sea did split open for Moses to get trough. Many a spectator killed at these events until the FIA started boycotting these events until they took measures to keep spectators off the course.
Legend has it that somebody planted a tire-stabbing device along the ‘57 Mille Miglia in Italy, and that’s what caused the deadly crash that got the race abolished.
What was supposed to be a celebration now tainted by tragedy due to reckless behavior.
Mexico is basically what it is today because of never ending corruption and a gov that cares very little for anyone in its nation, the people have a lot of pride, but they have no respect for a lot of shit. But that doesn’t mean they have none at all. It’s a odd thing because that’s a big thing for them too is respect. They probably all did get super hyped off the rest of the people there, likely a lot of beer was involved, and a sad thing happened. It’s the woman’s fault period.
AS AN LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER SUPERVISOR I TOLD MY LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEERS IN REGARD TO GRADE CROSSING ACCIDENTS, OR PEDESTRIANS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ,THAT YOU CAN NOT PREVENT SELF SUICIDE, WHETHER IT WAS INTENDED, OR NOT!!!
KEEP THEM ROLLING, BROTHERS!!👍👍
Long ago I did a "RAL aka Rent A Locomotive at a museum fundraiser and when they were showing me the controls and stuff, the museum's engineer said people are stupid around tracks and scan the area in front of you non-stop in case some idiot ran in front of the thing.
I rode behind 2816 from Milwaukee's Amtrak station to Chicago's Union Station in 2007. It was a nice day with beautiful weather, not many people on the train (employees and guests only), lunch was provided, and we took the UP-freight line down to Bensenville and then east to Union Station.
Women have an issue with following rules apparently. 844 killed a woman too. Remember that?
There are multiple t-shirts and notebooks and clothing items popularly marketed which proclaim, "I have the (female anatomy) so I make the rules" which doesn't seem at first glance to be a message about having a willingness to adhere to rules made by others.
They got the MILITARY INVOLVED?! Wow…it’s worse than I thought…
I think that’s just the National Guard, since the whole situation with the cartel thing is ehhh… they go around acting as police. I’ve been to Mexico and they are everywhere especially in urban areas
6:03 THREE Tenders! Beautiful.
What was supposed to be a grand historic occasion sadly ended up being ruined. I hope this doesn't cause CPKC to not run 2816 again. It'd be a shame if she was left inside a shed for a long time again. They could still run her in Canada and the US. I've been wondering if the deal between CPKC and CSX on an Alabama connection goes through if they would run 2816 to Jacksonville FL via the CSX bowline from Montgomery Al to celebrate. Yes, before you ask, that's my home line, hence my channel name. My line, to date, hasn't had a steam locomotive run on it since SP Daylight 4449 came through on her Amtrak excursion to get home after the AFT concluded, and I've longed for steam to come through. Speaking of 4449, I'm glad her auxiliary tender came back unscathed.
I got word that ckpc 2816 will not be leading back and will not leave Canada ever again
Good because this whole trip was a dick move
Hi history in the dark i'm bradley i have a question where can i find clip 5:53 non meme version with cp 7013 leading i had trouble finding it
History of the dark can you do history of Reading Railroad #1187/SRG#4 please??????????
That makes sense. I mean, when was there a time Mexico operated steam excursions since the transition from steam to diesel?
Even though I’m Hispanic, I have never seen how life is down there, but by how our parents talk when complaining about us youngsters (they could’ve used birth control in the first place). It sounds like the economy in Latin America is so fucked up that they can’t afford school supplies. If they can’t afford school supplies, then how can they afford running a steam engine? People that are slightly below middle class here in the US are like millionaires down south. And on top of the fact that government officials and politicians are CORRUPT as fuck down there bribe their way up the ranks, they over tax people, the cartels are always making people’s lives even more miserable by threatening to kill family members or steal or vandalise their property or whatever business they have. That’s why most people down there will move heaven and earth to move up here to the US, because up here we have more opportunities than down there. Why do you think that could be a big reason for why people were kind of like that around 2816?
@@imaketrainzvideos i would explain in more detail about this (since im mexican) but im pretty Lazy to do so. But im gonna explain just a little bit, most of what you said mainly happens in the south (of course it also happens in México but never experienced it). The best example i can think of is Venezuela, place in which the power goes on and off constantly thanks to the goverment
People often think that the width of the train tracks is the width of the train and they think that as long as they aren’t over the rails they won’t get hit. In reality trains are often wider than the ties that the rails are placed on and can overhang the rails by as much as 3 feet or more. This was seen during the UP 4014 big boy inaugural excursion back in 2019 when track workers had to rocks further from the tracks because the big boys front cylinders couldn’t pass by safely without possibly damaging them. I think the rocks where placed 5 feet away from the tracks but that still wasn’t enough for big boy to pass through. There’s a reason why the rule of stay 25 feet away from the tracks is used. I remember when I stood 25 feet away from a passing freight train and I felt the ground shaking beneath my feet. Even though I was following the rule it still felt too close.
The sheer amount of absurdity and horror packed into just the thumbnail alone is kind of amazing lol.
I hope the people who came up with the "Final Spike Steam Tour" don't do that again.
There are many reasons about this that I agree with you, Is a lot of enthusiasm, hype and excitement with 2816 that CP people can't figure out how big could this be, the more southern the 2816 went the more people surrounding the tracks, the media played a very important role in this ocasion and without any idea, they spread the topic so well, and so massive that people make It overwhelming. I hope to see the Empress coming again to México with all the knowledge and experience that this trip gave to the crew on this greatfull experience, not all was disaster ane chaos, also the people let know to the CP how many the 2816 was Loved and welcomed.
Actually one of my friends sent me a pic of screenshot of someone’s footage of 2816 in Mexico & one of the locomotives in the back got vandalized!!!
But if it was British Rail you would treat them differently for sure
It’s like the flying Scotsman USA tour all over again but this time it’s in Mexico and with a Canadian locomotive
Cp crew DONT SEND 2816 TO MEXICO EVER Again
Would hate to lose her, Mexico just isn’t safe
When I saw "Canadian Pacific", "DISASTER", and "History in the Dark" my brain immediately went to "train under water".
4:39 I bet that phone was completely destroyed
One of the F-Units as well as a couple of the passenger cars did infact get vandalized and tagged with graffiti, it got bad enough that when they stopped running for the day, 2816's head light and other "jewelry" had wood crates placed over them. Say what you will, but I personally hope CP never brings 2816 into Mexico ever again. Their laws regarding railroad safety in Mexico are pretty much non existent as compared to here in the states and even in Canada. Somehow I knew before hand that there would be issues when they got to Mexico, and sure nuf, there were... Hopefully CP learned a lesson from this.
Thanks for the national gatekeeping effort, I am sure you are right to block an entire nation of railfans to never experience what you enjoy too!
My understanding is that 2816 is going to be retired after the excursion is over. Too expensive to keep her running, I guess.
Hopefully it didn't take too much work to clean the person off of her. It's a shame the crew and CPKC has to go through this. Hopefully this doesn't put 2816 back in the warehouse is Calgary.
I’m sure it won’t. The US and Canadian have great respect and know not to let what happened in Mexico not happen.
I hope 2816 was okay.
Wow, I was going to go see it at a railway crossing in Wisconsin, but I had to go to school. Did not know the trip ended so bad jeez
Did no one ever watch the South Park episode that showed the dangers of selfies and trains? Oh Long Johnson cat was a dangerous meme.
You should talk about the sudden tornado that hit Michigan a few days ago and severely injured a mother and killed her child there was no warning and the sirens never turned on
CPKC Police in US and Canada 👮♂️
CPKC Police in Mexico (when created) 🪖💥🔫
CPKCPS Mexico is probably going to be a PMC lmao
well Mexico has had a huge issues with crime, just look at their very recent elections....
Here info⬇️
Here is some information about the history of the Empress train ¹ ² ³ ⁴ ⁵ ⁶:
- The Empress is also known as the Canadian Pacific 2816.
- It is a class "H1b" 4-6-4 Hudson-type steam locomotive.
- The Empress was built by the Montreal Locomotive Works.
- The Empress pulled passenger trains for 30 years through the 1930s, 40s and 50s.
- The locomotive is now almost 100 years old.
- The Empress is a frequent visitor to the Crown of the Continent.
- The Empress is now running on the Final Spike Steam Train between Calgary and Mexico City.
So it went all the way from
Calgary, Canada to Mexico City
And back.
Look it up on the map
Cpkc how are we going to kickstart this company
Add 2816 to mexico
There foamers
Did you know there were people crying when they saw this stupid train.
That was like seeing a dinosaur alive for us mexicans.
Because we, unlike american kids who don’t get exited about nothing but their stupid pc videogames, do appreciate and admire history. ❤❤❤❤
Can’t wait for Big Boy union pacific to come to Mexico 🇲🇽
I live in Lethbridge, Alberta. and from time to time saw and heard 2816 come through town and the only time I went to out see it was about fifteen years ago when they had her here for a few days doing an IMAX movie on the "Lethbridge Viaduct" the highest and longest bridge of the type in the world. Even then there were only a few people out as you can tell by the videos posted on RUclips about it.
Actually they do have guards in South Korea the rail road system is different over there do to them crossing on busy roads without railroad arms
preface = PREH-fess
Calgary = CAHL-gree
At least here in the United States most people know to stand clear of the railroad tracks. Thankfully. 🚂😊
The #2816 just passed Rosenberg, Texas
And this, kids, is why you don’t merge a CANADIAN RAILROAD WITH AN AMERICAN ONE!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!? Not trying to start a war or be a bad guy or nothing.
We can't forget about the Class 43 HST that was sent to Mexico and ended up crashing into a car!
Rail safety is *GREAT* over there (not)!
I honestly feel bad for the actual responsible railfans who just wanna enjoy getting something they barely see down there only for idiots to just ruin the whole experience and give them a bad name.
We use to haul for Formula 1 racing back early 90s from the race in Montreal Canada Down to Mexico City Mexico and from LAX to Phoenix,AZ. Car and all the pit equipment, parts and few trailers of tires for them. 4 days south of the border. Any way we would convoy from TX board down and back with Federally Police escort. Nothing like feeling secure rolling through a small town with federally police with automatic weapons leaning on the hood of their car watching use go by.
God the footage of the crowds reminds me of when 4014 first returned to service in 2019. Heck I experienced the crowds firsthand two years later when she came to my neck of the woods in St. Louis. As she left Washington, Missouri two cars got into a wreck as they raced to catch her out of the city limits. Needless to say stay safe when around Railroad Equipment kids.
Only thing I can figure is Canada and US there's a lawyer,judge and jury willing to sue the railroad on behalf of the next of kin of someone thzt Darwin Awards themselves on railroad property. Go back and look at excursion trips and events such as these from the 60s 70s and into the 80s but not as much and you'll see people shooting film and pictures from freight cars on sidings and signals masts and overheads. It's most likely the family goès to a lawyer saying hey our family member got themselves bounced off the cylinder chest of a speeding steam engine taking a selfie in the gauge and we'd like to sue a lawyer is going to laugh them out of their office explaining they'd be disbarred bringing that before a judge.