At our shop we line up the yellow dot with the valve stem all the time. It really doesn't take extra time to do this. As we lube the tire to mount it, we look where the dot is and where the valve stem is and just line them up and mount.
I worked in the tire manufacturing business for over 30 years. The engineering that goes into assembling each specific type, size, handling, harmonics, dry and wet road performance specifications, etc. for each tire is incredible.
Yes and that is exactly why its so important for the installer to put the tires on the wheels correctly. All that science and technology goes to waste if they don't.
According to most of the information available to everyone on the internet - If your tire is marked with both a yellow dot AND a red dot - the RED dot takes precedence over the yellow dot. Cancelling out the high point (RED dot) takes precedence over the lightest point of the tyre (YELLOW dot) - which can be addressed with wheel weights. I work as a "professional tire-installer" and can tell you that mounting tires on a 2019 Honda Pilot SUV with 245/60R18's (and ESPECIALLY those with 245/50R20's) are difficult to keep either one of the dots lined-up PERFECTLY with the valve stem. And if they do wind-up being a little bit off, good luck with trying to manually twist that tire so they do. As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the installer 'rebuild' my bolt-in valve stems (replacing gaskets on OEM TPMS sensor), then I would that he/she lined-up those dots perfectly. I would ask if that will be an EXTRA cost - or is that included in the price of my new tires? As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the installer either hand-tightened (or gunned-on lightly) all of my factory lug nuts - and then torqued them to their factory specs. If each and every one of those lug nuts don't move a little when torquing them slowly, then they're already over-tightened. Over-tightened lug nuts can lead to premature failure and/or warped disc-brake rotors. As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the installer checked and re-pressurized my spare tire (which most consumers will NEVER check on their own). As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the tire installer had easy/clear access to my spare tire's carrier, so that he/she could lower it and check/set the air. As a consumer - I would be more concerned that 'I' left any wheel lock keys in clear view, so that he/she did not have to spend 15 minutes digging through my cluttered cargo area, center console, door pockets and glove box searching for it. (Wheel lock / Locking Lug Nut can be seen in this video at approx. the 11 o'clock position at 1:01 in this video). As a consumer - I would be more concerned that 'I' took the initiative to notify the sales personnel of ALL concerns related to my visit at their business BEFOREHAND - rather than hoping that all my needs be their number-one concern. Oh!?? And as a CONSUMER - I would NEVER.... EVER - bring my vehicle in to get new tires installed with the rims being covered in dirt / mud / grease / brake dust. The condition of your vehicle (outside AND inside) will directly effect any 'professional' tire installer's attitude toward your vehicle. Things like leaving your radio cranked up, the A/C or heater on HIGH, a trashed interior, a filthy exterior - All these things will immediately can / will put them in a negative mindset BEFORE they even pull your vehicle in for service.
You forgot the most aggravating one. As customer who watched a RUclips video- you are not a professional mechanic. We don't care abought your "professional" critique.
@@pauladams4833 if you are a professional then you should care more about the car than the owners . not having car washed is not an excuse to do poor work
42 years of experience… The best way to balance tires is to use the road force feature of the balancer. It Computes the high spot of the rim and the high spot of the tire. Then directs you to rotate the tire relative to the rim so the two spots are opposite each other and minimizing their effect. Only then does it have you add the weights in the proper location. If the road force feature is employed, it doesn’t matter where the dots lineup. Also, The dots don’t know where the high point of the rim is. I would always start with a rim that has all the previous weights taken off.
Back when I was a service manager, I used to balance the bare rims before putting on the tire. The valve stem area was never the heavy spot or the light spot. It was always completely random. Finding the actual heavy spot, then indexing the tire to minimize imbalance before beading up was always the way to use the least amount of weight (if any)
@@bilnitro The red dot gets lined up to a dimple that can be found on the inside of a rim. That is the heaviest part of the rim. Not ALL rims have that mark/dimple !
I would do that to my motorcycle rims to find the heavy spot and mount my tires accordingly. I use a static balancer that I made that is extremely sensitive.
I always line the yellow dot with the valve stem , the less weight on a rim the better , if you want to go one step further there are wheel balancers that tell you where to reseat a tire on the rim to optimize the wheel weight.
When I was doing tires I always lined up the yellow dot with the stem (or at least pretty close). It would generally balance better and save on use of (often) expensive weights. If there was no dot or wheel asked for excessive amount of weight I'd usually deflate again and turn the tire 180 degrees and rebalance.
I have literally had tire installers laugh at me when I asked them to align the yellow dots with the valve stems when buying tires for my vehicles. Use to race sports cars and tire balance meant winning or losing with some racing tires. So I would have to demand they do as I ask, or I would cancel the sale and go across the street to their compettetors for my tires. Educated one young installer to the reason why and had to show him the facts before he was convinced. But he learned something that day.
*_"Educated one young installer to the reason why and had to show him the facts before he was convinced."_* You're what's known in the industry as a "squirrel". Trust me, they _laugh at you_ when you leave.
Same. Just had an incident with a local shop today that got angry with me because I wanted the yellow dot lined up with the valve stem. The mechanic became super defensive and tried to start an argument while claiming he had 15 years experience and had never heard about this ridiculous theory of mine.
Awe, I worked at Walmart for 2.9 years doing oil and tires. Most professional do it by the book and it's apart of their routine when doing tires so it's standard. The issue comes when your backed up heavy or you have someone in training doing your tires. Most of the time the tires are balanced well and you will not have any issues. It's best to have em checked every other oil change. Tire & lube tech. 👍🏼
As part of the diagnosis I usually wanted to see if the tires were actually causing a vibration, or if I should look elsewhere. Checking the balance before balancing tires I'll find that it now wants less weight but in the exact opposite position, so for my family, friends or regular customers I'd go slightly lighter 2-1/4 oz instead of 2-1/2 oz, it seems to work better in the long run.
My father always checked the red and yellow dots and their placement relative to the rim. He also looked at how much weight was used to balance the tire. If he saw this much weight applied, he would go back and make them do it over. They can break the bead and move the tire 90 degrees and try again. Yes, it is more work. But, if that is the best balance they can do with that tire, likely it is defective, even if that doesn't show up until a couple of years down the line.
Stick on weights inside the rim are being held even more securely by centrifugal force. It's most important that the weights be applied toward the inside edge and the outside edge for correct balance. Techs often glop the weights in one spot which most computer balance machines say is ok on one of their settings. The balance job won't last.
I only line the valve mark if I'm putting tyres on new wheels. Have found that on old used rims I could end up with 120g of weights no matter where the marks are mounted. Sometimes rim rounding will sort it out but most cases replace the rim is what I'd advise.
After watching this video, I wonder how many people who've recently bought tires are going to run out to their vehicles, check for "correct" red dot/yellow dot placement and proceed to go back to where they got their tires and complain about a "problem" that they never knew they had?
It's best to balance an empty motorcycle wheel first and mark those weights as permanent. You will find yourself adding no weight or one small one for any quality tire.
This depends.If a wheel has a light spot or a heavy spot, the dots can be used to make for the best achievable balance.In other words,sometimes its not the valve being used as a guide.One could use known heavy spots for example.IE where there was a large amount of weight previously placed.Hope this helps instill faith in your local tire tech's.🤘😎🤘
True statements. My installer might have used the old weights as reference and lined up that way. The last time I mounted and balanced a tire lip weights were still in use, so it might be easier with the sticker strips to try to line them up. Those sticker strips might make the ride smoother as well by distributing the weight over the lighter spots. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I’m 66, Many years ago in my younger years it was common practice to make sure the yellow dot lined up with the valve stem. Especially on stamped metal rims that were more likely to be somewhat out of round/true or just the rim alone required more hammer on wheels weights and a physically large or large number of wheel weights that would jump out at anyone with any knowledge. Modern wheel balancers are basically capable of balancing a square wheel but just like some tires with manufacturing anomalies will not always run smooth at all speeds.
Someone else recently said those strips spread out the weight and make it a little more subtle than a single heavier weight. Maybe these help it run smoother.
I just did four tires on my 2010 Town and country and I noticed that a quarter of the rim has some aluminum taken out of it and the valve stem in the middle so I think they took care of the extra weight from the sensor by removing some of the aluminum around that area
An important point you missed is any time a newer vech with a tire pressure monitor system “TPMS” comes in for new tires or tire rotation the TPMS should go through a relearn so it knows the location of each sensor to report accurate information. As an example, the right front tire is swapped with the right rear. The manufacturer’s spec ( which can be found on the driver’s door post) calls for 32 psi on the front and 38 psi on the rear. The right rear gets a slow leak. Since the vech still sees the tire as the right front it will not turn on the TPMS light until it’s lower than 30 psi and show it as the right front. So when you bring in the vech for repairs the wrong tire will be checked and no leak found. And just a final comment, when you bring in the vech put the wheel lock key on the dashboard or center console and make sure you get it back when you leave.
I had to put a brand new set of tyres on today...glad I got the "auto re-calibration" TPMSensors 😊 (Honda). All I had to do was drive it normally city speeds and within 10 minutes...Voila...👍👌✌
I manually change the tires on my motorcycle. I've probably installed 5 or more sets of tires at this point. By following the dot over the valve method (+/- 1") I have NEVER had to adjust the original weights. I mean, literally perfectly balanced all sets with just a small weight which was installed with the original tires. No vibrations at any speed. Several different brands and models, Dunlop, Mettzeler, Bridgestone, and Pirelli. It's unfortunate tire shops can't follow this basic principle.
I had bf Goodrich installed on my Honda pilot and at highway speed>65mph it would vibrate. Took it back to the tire shop, had them realign the tires per this video and the vibration stopped.
I would think it would take longer to balance it with more weights than to position the red dot properly while mounting the tire. Only takes a couple seconds to put the dot where it belongs before inflating the tire. This should be mandatory practice at ALL tire shops!
Should always try to line it up, when only one bead is on the rim it takes zero effort and two seconds to line it up. However, if it's a low profile or an LT, putting the second bead on can cause the tire to spin a little. After that, not a lot we can do that's not going out of our way.
So far I've installed tires on 14, 15 and 16 inch rims at home (remove and install) without a tire machine. What I was told was yellow dot to the valve stem. If there's only a red dot, red dot to the valve stem. If there's a red dot and a yellow dot, red dot overrides the yellow, red dot to the stem. 4 different cars so far, never took them in for balancing, drove all the cars up to 70mph. No problems. In not saying I did it the right way, or anyone else did it wrong. It just worked out good for me that way. And will keep doing it that way until I get a vibration that wasn't there before changing the tires.
If you're interested, you're half right and I can provide a long winded explanation if you like. This is meant to be educational, not an attack. The red dot is more important but only if the rim has a low spot and you line the red dot with that point. MOST of the time, if the rim does not, you line the yellow up with the valve stem. You can try this at home, the red dot MAY require more weights. At the end of the day, as long as the weights are placed correctly, you're fine (no counter balance, double stacking, etc). Do also keep in mind, and unless this has changed recently, those dots don't mean the same thing for EVERY manufacturer. MOST are starting to standardize it but it's best to get the information from the manufacturer for what the dots actually mean. More people should be like you and learn to do these things themselves.
Honestly doing it at home though. If you have the time, move the tire all the way around the rim to find the best spot and use the least amount of weights. They're getting expensive.
Heaviest point of the rim is not always the valve stem of the rim. YOu can balance the rim without tyre or any weight and see that heaviest point is not necessarily always the valve stem. Valve stem area is the lowest point of the rim as I know but I have no proof.
I've done my rotation and found weights in several places around the rim... yeah, slight shimmy. I haven't done my own tires in 30+ years, I don't remember the dots, probably didn't exist. but oddly, I knew what the yellow one was for.
I was taught to put the tire seam opposite of the valve steam. I never noticed red or yellow dots on the tires. I have been out of the auto scene for a while so maybe this is something new or only certian manufactures do.
I’m not sure when this practice started, also, some manufacturers put the dot on the other side making the matching the opposite of what I said in the video.
Even though we do not have split rim wheels where the tire can rotate on the wheel, tires still can rotate on modern wheels that is why I put a red splotch of oil based paint on my tires, usually on both the tire and wheel to make sure they still line up after the balancing. Yes, the paint wears, so I occasionally renew the mark when I see it fade. It is not the manufacturer's fault the tire rotates on the wheel, but the way you drive that does it. Only one brake lockup to keep from hitting some driver that doesn't pay attention is enough to make your tire move on the wheel. Tires naturally exude oil, and that is enough to let the tire move on the wheel.
I'm very careful to not curb my wheels and tyres but a few months back in a tight car park I gave the back left a big hit which now appears to have damaged the tyre. They were checked at a speciality wheel repairer, not your local tyre shop. They added some more weights but it didn't help so now its my spare, luckily the spare is the same exact wheel and tyre and the tread is only 0.5mm less as its from my last set so about 3 years older but still legal and well within its life span. I'll probably get a new set of tyres in the next 18 months and will watch out for the colour markings.
Used to be you could get your tires trimmed after they were mounted and balanced so the tread surface was perfectly round and concentric with the wheel bearings. You can actually get a smoother and quieter ride, and better handling at high speed.
Oh and I am a professional tire installer and all my employees are trained to use the yellow dot. Doesn't always work because some directional tires only have the mark on one side of the tire. But yes I would return to have it done correctly.
Thanks for sharing. The funny thing is the most common comment I get is wipe off the dot. Besides the things shown in the video, the tires and balance work good. With almost 1,500 miles since mounting.
using red or yellow dot depend on the condition of the rim. if there is no radial excess its a good idea to use yellow dot. otherwise red dot becomes more important to set.
Seems that manufacturing has improved. Most tires and rims are factory balanced, so I just put them on, and have had maybe 5 out of 100 be off. Mind you, this is out of my personal shop where I'm not paid. but I'll balance em if there's A problem, or they ask.. Most of my friends know how to work the machine. They just gotta take their old tires with.
As far as i understand about the red and yellow dots are only found on Tyres are Manafactured in China , which are normally in the budjet range , Brands such as Dunlop , Continental , Michelin , Uniroyale , B F Goodrich, Goodyear, etc which are at the upper end of the market , are of a higher standard finish product , and when the wheels are being Balanced a very , small amount of balance weights are needed, and some times only one small weight is needed to get the job done , again saftey is a First , Good Quality tyres are important ,
well that explains why i never see those dots because i put Michelins on my cars after having other brands mostly goodyear blow up on highways all different cars and models of tires and all kept properly inflated only half worn out. but never had a problem with Michelin
i worked at a tire shop for years my first job and i was trianed to line up the yellow dot with valve stem unless i seen a mark on the rim then line up the red mark it only takes a second if even that to line it up i learned to line it up as i mounted the tire to the rim
@@AdventureGearTV I just had maxxis razr A/T put on. They had lined up red dots to valve stems on three tires. There were no weights on the 3 tires. One tire the dot was not aligned and many weights. My xterra started driving poorly in one day. Multiple tires were not balanced, imo. I had lots of rolling resistance, steering was more effort, and the vibration in my steering wheel and car was getting pretty intense. I asked them to line up the yellow dot since I didn't see a notch on my rims for the red dot. 3 of my tires have minimal weights. One tire has a lot of weights... maybe that tire is a bit defective. I don't know. It's my rear passenger tire. Hopefully that's the better place for that tire. My car, so far, is running way smoother. I don't know much about the dots but I love Maxxis for my MTB tires so I'm looking forward to seeing how these do as long as they stay balanced.
Those dots are paint, and wear off after a few weeks of driving. The good thing is that if your tires aren't wobbling, then your ok. But, if the installer didn't line them up, then they wasted weights.
I currently work at a tire shop. I have been there for about 2 years. Yes you try and go by the book. But there are always problems. So one tire can ask for zero weights and others can ask for 10 ounces. If you work at a tire shop then you know what I mean. My point is, by the book or not your going to have problems. Oh and by the way even if you balance out the tire. There is still the chance of a manufacturer's defects..
Believe it or not I’m old enough to remember that in the days of recaps and retreads, most tire shops had a tire shaver. If the tire was out of round from a poorly executed recap, you could put it on this truing machine and true up the tire perfectly round by shaving a little bit of rubber off here and there until you got a perfectly round tire. I have not seen one of those machines since the 70s.
not sure it makes any difference in the end other than cost of weights if you balance it its balanced now if you match the high spot of the tire with the high spot of the wheel it could possible affect ride quality
@@MFGus-fb6up -- *_"Stood there and picked all them little rocks out of the tread too and doesn't make any difference."_* True story! Customer: _"See! It's out of balance!"_ (balancer shows .25 on the "show side") My brother: *"How much do you think all of those little rocks weigh?"* 😆
You forgot to check the lug tourque. Never trust the "tourque sticks" most places use. Use a proper Tourque wrench to do it, then check them again at about 100 miles driving.
Love the fact you got to the point right away. Far too many videos go on and indefinitely before getting to an actual point. Often have to read the comments to find the point quicker instead. Not with this video though, great job!
I can imagine that it's more profitable to add more balance weights than is really necessary! Out of curiosity, what does a green dot signify? I've seen a fair few of those in the last ten years or so.
Question about the pressure: My car has recommended pressures listed on the driver side door, but are those pressures when it's a cold start, or after I've traveled a while? Because typically even when driving in cold weather, the pressure will go up by 0.2-0.3 atmospheres (we don't use PSI), and it goes up by even more if I'm driving in the hot summer.
No tire is balanced or checked for high spot out of round after it comes out of the mold. They may test one or 2 out of a batch of hundreds and assign dots accordingly to the whole batch. The main reason I would line up yellow dots would be to lower the chance of unnecessary noise coming from a customers mouth.
100% Correct. Have mounted and balanced thousands of tires and the dots are a joke. Sometimes ya line em up, put em on the balancer and it wants maybe 6 oz. of weight. Deflate, Break beads, Turn tire 180 degrees so that all important little dot is opposite the valve stem or mark on wheel or little green sticker and then put back on balancer and now it only needs 1.25 oz. total, happens all the time, and yes it was chucked up right on the balancer, already checked that. The answer to the dots is Acetone or Brake clean, wipe that crap off and don't give em a reason to question it. If they do I tell em " take it for a drive, if it shakes come back and see me" they never have to come back.
@@MFGus-fb6up -- And, even if zero weight is needed, always put a .25 oz. weight on the outside so they won't complain that "the weight came off" or you didn't balance it "properly".
If only yellow dot align with valve stem. If yellow and red is present then red on valve stem. If tire installer dont care add weights where the balancer tells u.
When I was installing tires it had to be aligned with the valve stem but I has since watched them on my own vehicles and noticed how they continual creep around the rim in the opposite direction of rotation as I drive! So am I wasting my time placing them correctly?
Back when tires ONLY had the yellow dot, I always aligned it with the valve stem. However, since the shift to BOTH red and yellow dots on the sidewall, the general consensus is that the RED dot takes precedence and should be the one that is aligned with the valve stem.
*_"lf a tyre is repaired /vulcanised should the wheel be re-balanced afterwards."_* It really depends on who's repairing the tire and/or company policy. You can either remount the tire on the wheel in the same position it was originally on or rebalance it. The weight of a patch doesn't throw off the balance. *_"What happens if the coloured dots have disappeared ?"_* Absolutely _nothing_ of consequence.
The issue in my book is the tire installer isn’t doing their job right! We pay them to be technically trained and when they don’t line the dots up with the valve stem. They aren’t doing what their supposed to do.
@@AdventureGearTV Exactly! Even if it doesn’t do or mean anything, why not just do it? I didn’t know this about the dots, but now I’m going to the tire guy to line them up next t8me I get tires.
It took a lot of coordination between the engineers that designed the car and tire manufacturers who supplied the rubber to meet that spec... The engineering and coordination between manufacturers gives the buyer the best chance of getting a vehicle that will perform to a higher standard and greater performance. The real question dumb dumb is what do you think the right thing to do is. Trust your new car and tires to the engineers that designed it or the 18 year old kid that dropped out of school to install tires. From this point on everything you do with the car should be proactive. Sit down and read the freaking owner's manual. Find out what the torque spec is for the rims bolted to the car. Improper torque of aluminum rims on a vehicle is just one cause of tire and rim failure. There are many.🤨
The reality is that there are millions of cars on the road with dots not properly lined up and for the most part they are not having problems, it's one of them things where it will work just fine but it's just not the best way to do it. Perhaps all I stallers should be properly trained so that they are all on the same page, many installers at small mom and pop shops mainly do patches and hardly balance tires and they move so fast that they pay no attention to anything more than slapping tires on and moving on to the next tire
Even IF the tyre was fitted exactly how u want it as where u want the dots to be by a tyre fitter and u are happy with it even then if u hit a pothole a weight can fall of even in your mind it's been fitted perfectly.....there is too much misinformation on this subject every manufacturer tells u different things for there tyres, the guys at the tyre shop have a difficult job as it is but until all the theory's are brought into line n everyone follows the one accepted process it will always be like this...if your not happy balance them yourself....oh you can't can you...
If you have a yellow dot and a red dot , aligne the red dot with the valve , If you have only one Colors aligne this Colors dot with the valve . You Will need lest weigh. The red dot passes first
"Inverted balloon"? How about a cross section of a tire? See the tread at the bottom? Tire installers don't pay any attention to those dots. IDK why. Sort off angers me. The dots make sense and are useful to any installer who cares to exhibit, "professionalism", not many around anymore I guess. If you want that to happen, you'd better get it in writing first.
Most installers that don't pay attention to those dots do so because they have _experience_ or have been trained by people that have mounted thousands of tires and have seen first hand how infrequently they matter to ride quality. The importance of the dots are minimal to nonexistent to the end user.
Your TPMS light just being on, DOES NOT indicate a broken sensor, a FLASHING TPMS light indicates problem with you TPMS (could be bad sensor, could be bad TPMS Module ect) also for those who don't know (I get them all the time) the TPMS light DOES NOT mean you have a flat, please quit wasting our time and yours by not trouble shooting first, if you don't know how to, come ask your tire technician, if they don't want to help you, find a new one asbohey don't care about your time, only your money!
Music was pleasant and not loud, maybe your speakers are out of wack. I am a 75 yr old woman who drives a small class B camper van alone all over the country this years plan is about 5000 miles minimum. I am very happy for all your information. None of the men or women in my family could even change a spark plug.In the 50's and 60's you could get a drivers license at 14, but in addition to passing the state test my mother watched you change a tire with an old bumper jack, then you got the keys to go to the school game. I learned on a 1949 plymouth. With a split windshield and a viser, and no turn signals, you had to roll down your window and use hand signals. When I got my first license in 1963, the examiner had me make 4 right hand turns around the block, said kid if you can drive this you can drive. I had spent 4 extra weeks practicing parallel parking.
Good telling of what ought to be tribal knowledge. Good to know, now , that yellow and red marks on tire is for a purpose, not random tag done for the “halibut “ .
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At our shop we line up the yellow dot with the valve stem all the time. It really doesn't take extra time to do this. As we lube the tire to mount it, we look where the dot is and where the valve stem is and just line them up and mount.
I worked in the tire manufacturing business for over 30 years. The engineering that goes into assembling each specific type, size, handling, harmonics, dry and wet road performance specifications, etc. for each tire is incredible.
Can u tell which company or manufacturer provides these red and yello hot stamping foil for tyres, i want to buy in quantity
When I was in high school working in a garage. almost 50 years ago, all this stuff would be space age…
Yes and that is exactly why its so important for the installer to put the tires on the wheels correctly. All that science and technology goes to waste if they don't.
According to most of the information available to everyone on the internet - If your tire is marked with both a yellow dot AND a red dot - the RED dot takes precedence over the yellow dot. Cancelling out the high point (RED dot) takes precedence over the lightest point of the tyre (YELLOW dot) - which can be addressed with wheel weights.
I work as a "professional tire-installer" and can tell you that mounting tires on a 2019 Honda Pilot SUV with 245/60R18's (and ESPECIALLY those with 245/50R20's) are difficult to keep either one of the dots lined-up PERFECTLY with the valve stem. And if they do wind-up being a little bit off, good luck with trying to manually twist that tire so they do.
As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the installer 'rebuild' my bolt-in valve stems (replacing gaskets on OEM TPMS sensor), then I would that he/she lined-up those dots perfectly. I would ask if that will be an EXTRA cost - or is that included in the price of my new tires?
As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the installer either hand-tightened (or gunned-on lightly) all of my factory lug nuts - and then torqued them to their factory specs. If each and every one of those lug nuts don't move a little when torquing them slowly, then they're already over-tightened. Over-tightened lug nuts can lead to premature failure and/or warped disc-brake rotors.
As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the installer checked and re-pressurized my spare tire (which most consumers will NEVER check on their own).
As a consumer - I would be more concerned that the tire installer had easy/clear access to my spare tire's carrier, so that he/she could lower it and check/set the air.
As a consumer - I would be more concerned that 'I' left any wheel lock keys in clear view, so that he/she did not have to spend 15 minutes digging through my cluttered cargo area, center console, door pockets and glove box searching for it. (Wheel lock / Locking Lug Nut can be seen in this video at approx. the 11 o'clock position at 1:01 in this video).
As a consumer - I would be more concerned that 'I' took the initiative to notify the sales personnel of ALL concerns related to my visit at their business BEFOREHAND - rather than hoping that all my needs be their number-one concern.
Oh!?? And as a CONSUMER - I would NEVER.... EVER - bring my vehicle in to get new tires installed with the rims being covered in dirt / mud / grease / brake dust.
The condition of your vehicle (outside AND inside) will directly effect any 'professional' tire installer's attitude toward your vehicle. Things like leaving your radio cranked up, the A/C or heater on HIGH, a trashed interior, a filthy exterior - All these things will immediately can / will put them in a negative mindset BEFORE they even pull your vehicle in for service.
I agree, if the customer doesn’t care about their car why should the technician
You forgot the most aggravating one. As customer who watched a RUclips video- you are not a professional mechanic. We don't care abought your "professional" critique.
@@pauladams4833 if you are a professional then you should care more about the car than the owners . not having car washed is not an excuse to do poor work
Way to hijack the entire video comment section! Not very “professional” at all, are you?
I have no problem with your comments.
42 years of experience… The best way to balance tires is to use the road force feature of the balancer. It Computes the high spot of the rim and the high spot of the tire. Then directs you to rotate the tire relative to the rim so the two spots are opposite each other and minimizing their effect. Only then does it have you add the weights in the proper location. If the road force feature is employed, it doesn’t matter where the dots lineup. Also, The dots don’t know where the high point of the rim is. I would always start with a rim that has all the previous weights taken off.
Every tire i work with gets road force balanced. Saves excess weights being used and imo increases the life of the tire.
Definitely aline the yellow dot & explain to customer your service is being done the right way.👍
Back when I was a service manager, I used to balance the bare rims before putting on the tire. The valve stem area was never the heavy spot or the light spot. It was always completely random.
Finding the actual heavy spot, then indexing the tire to minimize imbalance before beading up was always the way to use the least amount of weight (if any)
Did they have the pressure monitor?
@@bilnitro The red dot gets lined up to a dimple that can be found on the inside of a rim. That is the heaviest part of the rim. Not ALL rims have that mark/dimple !
I would do that to my motorcycle rims to find the heavy spot and mount my tires accordingly. I use a static balancer that I made that is extremely sensitive.
@@achristian7015Static balancer? What is that?
@@nzuncovered1845 Best you Google a motorcycle static balancer. Better that I explaining it here.
I love the smell of NEW tires in the morning!
Me too I just hate paying for it
I always line the yellow dot with the valve stem , the less weight on a rim the better , if you want to go one step further there are wheel balancers that tell you where to reseat a tire on the rim to optimize the wheel weight.
Is that yellow dot where the tire seam is on the inside of the tire?
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When I was doing tires I always lined up the yellow dot with the stem (or at least pretty close). It would generally balance better and save on use of (often) expensive weights.
If there was no dot or wheel asked for excessive amount of weight I'd usually deflate again and turn the tire 180 degrees and rebalance.
I agree that what I was told back in 80's when install tires
I have literally had tire installers laugh at me when I asked them to align the yellow dots with the valve stems when buying tires for my vehicles.
Use to race sports cars and tire balance meant winning or losing with some racing tires.
So I would have to demand they do as I ask, or I would cancel the sale and go across the street to their compettetors for my tires.
Educated one young installer to the reason why and had to show him the facts before he was convinced. But he learned something that day.
*_"Educated one young installer to the reason why and had to show him the facts before he was convinced."_*
You're what's known in the industry as a "squirrel". Trust me, they _laugh at you_ when you leave.
Same. Just had an incident with a local shop today that got angry with me because I wanted the yellow dot lined up with the valve stem. The mechanic became super defensive and tried to start an argument while claiming he had 15 years experience and had never heard about this ridiculous theory of mine.
It's absolutely amazing just how many tire "technicians" don't have a clue what match mounting is.
Awe, I worked at Walmart for 2.9 years doing oil and tires. Most professional do it by the book and it's apart of their routine when doing tires so it's standard. The issue comes when your backed up heavy or you have someone in training doing your tires. Most of the time the tires are balanced well and you will not have any issues. It's best to have em checked every other oil change. Tire & lube tech. 👍🏼
Great point!
“Every other oil change” isn’t a “thing”
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Wiley67, I do my own mounting, balancing, oil changes so that I get what I want in my trucks.It is the only way to assure that things are done right.
Walmart didn't match up the yellow dot, there are no pressure monitors either. Should I take it back to get this done, or not?
As part of the diagnosis I usually wanted to see if the tires were actually causing a vibration, or if I should look elsewhere.
Checking the balance before balancing tires I'll find that it now wants less weight but in the exact opposite position, so for my family, friends or regular customers I'd go slightly lighter 2-1/4 oz instead of 2-1/2 oz, it seems to work better in the long run.
My father always checked the red and yellow dots and their placement relative to the rim. He also looked at how much weight was used to balance the tire. If he saw this much weight applied, he would go back and make them do it over. They can break the bead and move the tire 90 degrees and try again. Yes, it is more work. But, if that is the best balance they can do with that tire, likely it is defective, even if that doesn't show up until a couple of years down the line.
Stick on weights inside the rim are being held even more securely by centrifugal force. It's most important that the weights be applied toward the inside edge and the outside edge for correct balance. Techs often glop the weights in one spot which most computer balance machines say is ok on one of their settings. The balance job won't last.
I only line the valve mark if I'm putting tyres on new wheels. Have found that on old used rims I could end up with 120g of weights no matter where the marks are mounted. Sometimes rim rounding will sort it out but most cases replace the rim is what I'd advise.
I did it when I used to mount tires. Makes it easier to balance, using less weights, more profit margin.
Is true , because like me I didn't know much about the red n the yellow 🟡 but now I know and it's helping me when am doing balancing
After watching this video, I wonder how many people who've recently bought tires are going to run out to their vehicles, check for "correct" red dot/yellow dot placement and proceed to go back to where they got their tires and complain about a "problem" that they never knew they had?
Extremely important when mounting motorcycle tires! Always balance with the least amount of weight on every application.
It's best to balance an empty motorcycle wheel first and mark those weights as permanent. You will find yourself adding no weight or one small one for any quality tire.
This depends.If a wheel has a light spot or a heavy spot, the dots can be used to make for the best achievable balance.In other words,sometimes its not the valve being used as a guide.One could use known heavy spots for example.IE where there was a large amount of weight previously placed.Hope this helps instill faith in your local tire tech's.🤘😎🤘
True statements. My installer might have used the old weights as reference and lined up that way. The last time I mounted and balanced a tire lip weights were still in use, so it might be easier with the sticker strips to try to line them up. Those sticker strips might make the ride smoother as well by distributing the weight over the lighter spots. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
How is the valve part of the rim the heaviest area when there's material missing to make room for the valve stem...
The valve stem is heavier than the alloy removed for the hole.
From what I have seen, most tires shops don't have a clue about those dots or don't care. I've never had a tire shop line up any of the two dots.
Or, maybe they _did_ and when put on the balancer they rolled like sh*t and/or needed an excessive amount of weight?
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@@brendabowman622the lines up two tires with the dots. The other tires had a pile of weights on them because they didn’t line up anything.
Yes , whoever's doing it should do it correctly, Period!
If they don't take the time to do it then they can just not come through the door to work !
I’m 66, Many years ago in my younger years it was common practice to make sure the yellow dot lined up with the valve stem. Especially on stamped metal rims that were more likely to be somewhat out of round/true or just the rim alone required more hammer on wheels weights and a physically large or large number of wheel weights that would jump out at anyone with any knowledge. Modern wheel balancers are basically capable of balancing a square wheel but just like some tires with manufacturing anomalies will not always run smooth at all speeds.
Someone else recently said those strips spread out the weight and make it a little more subtle than a single heavier weight. Maybe these help it run smoother.
@@AdventureGearTV
The more spread out they are, the more weights it takes.
I just did four tires on my 2010 Town and country and I noticed that a quarter of the rim has some aluminum taken out of it and the valve stem in the middle so I think they took care of the extra weight from the sensor by removing some of the aluminum around that area
yes it matters... if you know about road force balance you would line those marks up ..
An important point you missed is any time a newer vech with a tire pressure monitor system “TPMS” comes in for new tires or tire rotation the TPMS should go through a relearn so it knows the location of each sensor to report accurate information. As an example, the right front tire is swapped with the right rear. The manufacturer’s spec ( which can be found on the driver’s door post) calls for 32 psi on the front and 38 psi on the rear. The right rear gets a slow leak. Since the vech still sees the tire as the right front it will not turn on the TPMS light until it’s lower than 30 psi and show it as the right front. So when you bring in the vech for repairs the wrong tire will be checked and no leak found. And just a final comment, when you bring in the vech put the wheel lock key on the dashboard or center console and make sure you get it back when you leave.
Valuable point. TPMS relearn is very important.
Amen!
I had to put a brand new set of tyres on today...glad I got the "auto re-calibration" TPMSensors 😊 (Honda).
All I had to do was drive it normally city speeds and within 10 minutes...Voila...👍👌✌
This is so cool man, Thank you for your time. I never knew this about those dots.
I manually change the tires on my motorcycle. I've probably installed 5 or more sets of tires at this point. By following the dot over the valve method (+/- 1") I have NEVER had to adjust the original weights. I mean, literally perfectly balanced all sets with just a small weight which was installed with the original tires. No vibrations at any speed. Several different brands and models, Dunlop, Mettzeler, Bridgestone, and Pirelli. It's unfortunate tire shops can't follow this basic principle.
Bike tires and wheels are more precisely manufactured.
I had bf Goodrich installed on my Honda pilot and at highway speed>65mph it would vibrate. Took it back to the tire shop, had them realign the tires per this video and the vibration stopped.
Woohoo thanks for showing my company. Nothing like seeing my business in a video.
What are the chances? There are probably thousands of tire shops in the country.
I would think it would take longer to balance it with more weights than to position the red dot properly while mounting the tire. Only takes a couple seconds to put the dot where it belongs before inflating the tire. This should be mandatory practice at ALL tire shops!
So how do you know the low spot on 99% of the wheels?
Guessing doesn't count.
Should always try to line it up, when only one bead is on the rim it takes zero effort and two seconds to line it up. However, if it's a low profile or an LT, putting the second bead on can cause the tire to spin a little. After that, not a lot we can do that's not going out of our way.
So far I've installed tires on 14, 15 and 16 inch rims at home (remove and install) without a tire machine. What I was told was yellow dot to the valve stem. If there's only a red dot, red dot to the valve stem. If there's a red dot and a yellow dot, red dot overrides the yellow, red dot to the stem. 4 different cars so far, never took them in for balancing, drove all the cars up to 70mph. No problems. In not saying I did it the right way, or anyone else did it wrong. It just worked out good for me that way. And will keep doing it that way until I get a vibration that wasn't there before changing the tires.
If you're interested, you're half right and I can provide a long winded explanation if you like. This is meant to be educational, not an attack. The red dot is more important but only if the rim has a low spot and you line the red dot with that point. MOST of the time, if the rim does not, you line the yellow up with the valve stem. You can try this at home, the red dot MAY require more weights. At the end of the day, as long as the weights are placed correctly, you're fine (no counter balance, double stacking, etc). Do also keep in mind, and unless this has changed recently, those dots don't mean the same thing for EVERY manufacturer. MOST are starting to standardize it but it's best to get the information from the manufacturer for what the dots actually mean. More people should be like you and learn to do these things themselves.
Honestly doing it at home though. If you have the time, move the tire all the way around the rim to find the best spot and use the least amount of weights. They're getting expensive.
Heaviest point of the rim is not always the valve stem of the rim. YOu can balance the rim without tyre or any weight and see that heaviest point is not necessarily always the valve stem. Valve stem area is the lowest point of the rim as I know but I have no proof.
On aircraft we only have the red dot and it’s lined up with the stem.
I've done my rotation and found weights in several places around the rim... yeah, slight shimmy. I haven't done my own tires in 30+ years, I don't remember the dots, probably didn't exist. but oddly, I knew what the yellow one was for.
I was taught to put the tire seam opposite of the valve steam. I never noticed red or yellow dots on the tires. I have been out of the auto scene for a while so maybe this is something new or only certian manufactures do.
I’m not sure when this practice started, also, some manufacturers put the dot on the other side making the matching the opposite of what I said in the video.
Even though we do not have split rim wheels where the tire can rotate on the wheel, tires still can rotate on modern wheels that is why I put a red splotch of oil based paint on my tires, usually on both the tire and wheel to make sure they still line up after the balancing. Yes, the paint wears, so I occasionally renew the mark when I see it fade. It is not the manufacturer's fault the tire rotates on the wheel, but the way you drive that does it. Only one brake lockup to keep from hitting some driver that doesn't pay attention is enough to make your tire move on the wheel. Tires naturally exude oil, and that is enough to let the tire move on the wheel.
I've only ever seen tires "walk" is on race tracks.
I'm very careful to not curb my wheels and tyres but a few months back in a tight car park I gave the back left a big hit which now appears to have damaged the tyre. They were checked at a speciality wheel repairer, not your local tyre shop. They added some more weights but it didn't help so now its my spare, luckily the spare is the same exact wheel and tyre and the tread is only 0.5mm less as its from my last set so about 3 years older but still legal and well within its life span. I'll probably get a new set of tyres in the next 18 months and will watch out for the colour markings.
I think the dots matter more on older steel rims.
Used to be you could get your tires trimmed after they were mounted and balanced so the tread surface was perfectly round and concentric with the wheel bearings. You can actually get a smoother and quieter ride, and better handling at high speed.
Yup, shave off 3,000 miles on brand new tires.
@@hotrodray6802 actually, the tires would last longer due to running smoother. Unless the grease monkey got carried away. Oh well.
Oh and I am a professional tire installer and all my employees are trained to use the yellow dot. Doesn't always work because some directional tires only have the mark on one side of the tire. But yes I would return to have it done correctly.
Thanks for sharing. The funny thing is the most common comment I get is wipe off the dot. Besides the things shown in the video, the tires and balance work good. With almost 1,500 miles since mounting.
using red or yellow dot depend on the condition of the rim. if there is no radial excess its a good idea to use yellow dot. otherwise red dot becomes more important to set.
thank you sir, as new driver this info is very useful! 🙂
3:24 that's the toaster light, toast is done time for a samich 😄
It's a hit or miss if tires are dotted.
What happens if we do not align the dots please respond thank you
Seems that manufacturing has improved. Most tires and rims are factory balanced, so I just put them on, and have had maybe 5 out of 100 be off. Mind you, this is out of my personal shop where I'm not paid. but I'll balance em if there's A problem, or they ask.. Most of my friends know how to work the machine. They just gotta take their old tires with.
Those are pretty good numbers. Your friends must appreciate the garage.
As far as i understand about the red and yellow dots are only found on Tyres are Manafactured
in China , which are normally in the budjet range , Brands such as Dunlop , Continental , Michelin , Uniroyale , B F Goodrich, Goodyear, etc which are at the upper end of the market ,
are of a higher standard finish product , and when the wheels are being Balanced a very ,
small amount of balance weights are needed, and some times only one small weight is needed to get the job done , again saftey is a First , Good Quality tyres are important ,
well that explains why i never see those dots because i put Michelins on my cars after having other brands mostly goodyear blow up on highways all different cars and models of tires and all kept properly inflated only half worn out. but never had a problem with Michelin
Some brands use it and others don’t. It’s not a region of manufacture thing. They also wash off after a while.
Hi Greg, these tires were made in Buffalo, NY
i worked at a tire shop for years my first job and i was trianed to line up the yellow dot with valve stem unless i seen a mark on the rim then line up the red mark it only takes a second if even that to line it up i learned to line it up as i mounted the tire to the rim
Thanks for sharing. After your experience do you think it saves money on weights to line it up?
@@AdventureGearTV I just had maxxis razr A/T put on. They had lined up red dots to valve stems on three tires. There were no weights on the 3 tires. One tire the dot was not aligned and many weights. My xterra started driving poorly in one day. Multiple tires were not balanced, imo. I had lots of rolling resistance, steering was more effort, and the vibration in my steering wheel and car was getting pretty intense. I asked them to line up the yellow dot since I didn't see a notch on my rims for the red dot. 3 of my tires have minimal weights. One tire has a lot of weights... maybe that tire is a bit defective. I don't know. It's my rear passenger tire. Hopefully that's the better place for that tire. My car, so far, is running way smoother. I don't know much about the dots but I love Maxxis for my MTB tires so I'm looking forward to seeing how these do as long as they stay balanced.
I'm going to have to go look at my tires I didn't even know they had dots! I wonder if they wear off 💜
Those dots are paint, and wear off after a few weeks of driving. The good thing is that if your tires aren't wobbling, then your ok. But, if the installer didn't line them up, then they wasted weights.
I currently work at a tire shop. I have been there for about 2 years. Yes you try and go by the book. But there are always problems. So one tire can ask for zero weights and others can ask for 10 ounces. If you work at a tire shop then you know what I mean. My point is, by the book or not your going to have problems. Oh and by the way even if you balance out the tire. There is still the chance of a manufacturer's defects..
Believe it or not I’m old enough to remember that in the days of recaps and retreads, most tire shops had a tire shaver. If the tire was out of round from a poorly executed recap, you could put it on this truing machine and true up the tire perfectly round by shaving a little bit of rubber off here and there until you got a perfectly round tire. I have not seen one of those machines since the 70s.
I bought one of those machines for myself a few months ago. It was made in 1970.
@@earlbrown The last one I saw was in Rockport Texas in 1972.
not sure it makes any difference in the end other than cost of weights if you balance it its balanced now if you match the high spot of the tire with the high spot of the wheel it could possible affect ride quality
I have a set of 275/65/R20's on my 2019 RAM 1500 4x4 and two different tire dealers have not been able to balance them.
Make sure the guy pulls the sticker off the tire before balancing. That tire sticker can cause 1/4 oz out of balance.
Nope, already debunked that myth many times. Stood there and picked all them little rocks out of the tread too and doesn't make any difference.
@@MFGus-fb6up -- *_"Stood there and picked all them little rocks out of the tread too and doesn't make any difference."_*
True story!
Customer: _"See! It's out of balance!"_ (balancer shows .25 on the "show side")
My brother: *"How much do you think all of those little rocks weigh?"*
😆
You forgot to check the lug tourque. Never trust the "tourque sticks" most places use. Use a proper Tourque wrench to do it, then check them again at about 100 miles driving.
Love the fact you got to the point right away. Far too many videos go on and indefinitely before getting to an actual point. Often have to read the comments to find the point quicker instead. Not with this video though, great job!
Why didn't you tell them beforehand to line the dots up closer to the valve stems?
I can imagine that it's more profitable to add more balance weights than is really necessary!
Out of curiosity, what does a green dot signify? I've seen a fair few of those in the last ten years or so.
installers don't charge per weight, they would be happy if no weights were needed
Question about the pressure: My car has recommended pressures listed on the driver side door, but are those pressures when it's a cold start, or after I've traveled a while? Because typically even when driving in cold weather, the pressure will go up by 0.2-0.3 atmospheres (we don't use PSI), and it goes up by even more if I'm driving in the hot summer.
Cold.
It’s normal for the pressure to go up while driving. Measure it cold.
In theory if both a yellow and red dot are present the red dot supercedes the yellow dot and you put the red dot on the valve stem.
Again prove your point
What size of tires and brand are you using ??? I have a 2017 pilot and I like those tires
Hi, I don’t recall exactly, but here’s another video about them on my pilot:
ruclips.net/video/DWqgK2YCPnc/видео.html
No tire is balanced or checked for high spot out of round after it comes out of the mold. They may test one or 2 out of a batch of hundreds and assign dots accordingly to the whole batch. The main reason I would line up yellow dots would be to lower the chance of unnecessary noise coming from a customers mouth.
_"The main reason I would line up yellow dots would be to lower the chance of unnecessary noise coming from a customers mouth."_
**BINGO!!!**
100% Correct. Have mounted and balanced thousands of tires and the dots are a joke. Sometimes ya line em up, put em on the balancer and it wants maybe 6 oz. of weight. Deflate, Break beads, Turn tire 180 degrees so that all important little dot is opposite the valve stem or mark on wheel or little green sticker and then put back on balancer and now it only needs 1.25 oz. total, happens all the time, and yes it was chucked up right on the balancer, already checked that. The answer to the dots is Acetone or Brake clean, wipe that crap off and don't give em a reason to question it. If they do I tell em " take it for a drive, if it shakes come back and see me" they never have to come back.
@@MFGus-fb6up -- And, even if zero weight is needed, always put a .25 oz. weight on the outside so they won't complain that "the weight came off" or you didn't balance it "properly".
It's there for a reason!
If only yellow dot align with valve stem. If yellow and red is present then red on valve stem. If tire installer dont care add weights where the balancer tells u.
Yeah, I’m sure billy bob is fully trained in the technology.
When I was installing tires it had to be aligned with the valve stem but I has since watched them on my own vehicles and noticed how they continual creep around the rim in the opposite direction of rotation as I drive! So am I wasting my time placing them correctly?
I got a new car and was like what are these dots? They look ridiculous
Back when tires ONLY had the yellow dot, I always aligned it with the valve stem. However, since the shift to BOTH red and yellow dots on the sidewall, the general consensus is that the RED dot takes precedence and should be the one that is aligned with the valve stem.
Correct, the red dot takes precedence.
They say yellow dot opposite the valve stem, that actually means adjacent to the valve stem
24/7 22 lf a tyre is repaired /vulcanised should the wheel be re-balanced afterwards. What happens if the coloured dots have disappeared ?
*_"lf a tyre is repaired /vulcanised should the wheel be re-balanced afterwards."_*
It really depends on who's repairing the tire and/or company policy. You can either remount the tire on the wheel in the same position it was originally on or rebalance it. The weight of a patch doesn't throw off the balance.
*_"What happens if the coloured dots have disappeared ?"_*
Absolutely _nothing_ of consequence.
Always take the time
I install my own tires and always try and line up the dot.
Nice! It only takes on second.
That’s embarrassing. I’d never send a wheel out of the shop with that many weights on it.
Thanks for this information. Learned something new today. Loved your music. 😊
Thanks Leanne! I’ve been told it’s too loud for some, but liked the rhythm.
I’m glad my car does not have a TPI system; with OCD if all tires were not exact I would be out there everyday with the air line….
How do you like the tire so far??
Hi, thanks for asking. I recently made an update about the tires here: ruclips.net/video/DWqgK2YCPnc/видео.html
The issue in my book is the tire installer isn’t doing their job right! We pay them to be technically trained and when they don’t line the dots up with the valve stem. They aren’t doing what their supposed to do.
It is interesting that some folks say that it doesn’t matter. But, why would the manufacturer waste time with the paint if it didn’t matter.
@@AdventureGearTV Exactly! Even if it doesn’t do or mean anything, why not just do it? I didn’t know this about the dots, but now I’m going to the tire guy to line them up next t8me I get tires.
It took a lot of coordination between the engineers that designed the car and tire manufacturers who supplied the rubber to meet that spec... The engineering and coordination between manufacturers gives the buyer the best chance of getting a vehicle that will perform to a higher standard and greater performance. The real question dumb dumb is what do you think the right thing to do is. Trust your new car and tires to the engineers that designed it or the 18 year old kid that dropped out of school to install tires. From this point on everything you do with the car should be proactive. Sit down and read the freaking owner's manual. Find out what the torque spec is for the rims bolted to the car. Improper torque of aluminum rims on a vehicle is just one cause of tire and rim failure. There are many.🤨
The reality is that there are millions of cars on the road with dots not properly lined up and for the most part they are not having problems, it's one of them things where it will work just fine but it's just not the best way to do it. Perhaps all I stallers should be properly trained so that they are all on the same page, many installers at small mom and pop shops mainly do patches and hardly balance tires and they move so fast that they pay no attention to anything more than slapping tires on and moving on to the next tire
So looks like you had a bad install..... Why would you not tell the installer to mount the tires correctly.
Even IF the tyre was fitted exactly how u want it as where u want the dots to be by a tyre fitter and u are happy with it even then if u hit a pothole a weight can fall of even in your mind it's been fitted perfectly.....there is too much misinformation on this subject every manufacturer tells u different things for there tyres, the guys at the tyre shop have a difficult job as it is but until all the theory's are brought into line n everyone follows the one accepted process it will always be like this...if your not happy balance them yourself....oh you can't can you...
If you have a yellow dot and a red dot , aligne the red dot with the valve , If you have only one Colors aligne this Colors dot with the valve . You Will need lest weigh. The red dot passes first
Balance beads and align the yellow dot and your good to go.
The manufacturer doesn’t even line them up.
A robot probably mounts most factory car tires.
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"Inverted balloon"? How about a cross section of a tire? See the tread at the bottom?
Tire installers don't pay any attention to those dots. IDK why. Sort off angers me. The dots make sense and are useful to any installer who cares to exhibit, "professionalism", not many around anymore I guess. If you want that to happen, you'd better get it in writing first.
Most installers that don't pay attention to those dots do so because they have _experience_ or have been trained by people that have mounted thousands of tires and have seen first hand how infrequently they matter to ride quality.
The importance of the dots are minimal to nonexistent to the end user.
line it up !!!
Always tell them to line the dots up cuz most of the places they have no idea and they look just like the ones on his
That’ll certainly endear you to them, eh?
Your TPMS light just being on, DOES NOT indicate a broken sensor, a FLASHING TPMS light indicates problem with you TPMS (could be bad sensor, could be bad TPMS Module ect) also for those who don't know (I get them all the time) the TPMS light DOES NOT mean you have a flat, please quit wasting our time and yours by not trouble shooting first, if you don't know how to, come ask your tire technician, if they don't want to help you, find a new one asbohey don't care about your time, only your money!
Stop playing. Music too loud and unnecessary
Hi, Thanks for your feedback.
Music was pleasant and not loud, maybe your speakers are out of wack. I am a 75 yr old woman who drives a small class B camper van alone all over the country this years plan is about 5000 miles minimum. I am very happy for all your information. None of the men or women in my family could even change a spark plug.In the 50's and 60's you could get a drivers license at 14, but in addition to passing the state test my mother watched you change a tire with an old bumper jack, then you got the keys to go to the school game. I learned on a 1949 plymouth. With a split windshield and a viser, and no turn signals, you had to roll down your window and use hand signals. When I got my first license in 1963, the examiner had me make 4 right hand turns around the block, said kid if you can drive this you can drive. I had spent 4 extra weeks practicing parallel parking.
Good telling of what ought to be tribal knowledge. Good to know, now , that yellow and red marks on tire is for a purpose, not random tag done for the “halibut “ .
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I never knew anything about the yellow dot. I'm 70
Thanks for sharing this!
i never seen any dots on tires
Road Force Balence!
What if
I think you are smoking something.
If the tires were quality tires they wouldn't need those dots.