jimmy has a graph for that lmao.."if you look here, this is the date of penetration..if you look here, based on my numbers, this is the date of conception..it just doesnt add up.." hahahaha
I want this man to make a video about my life, it’d be hilarious and depressing. “This man has no chance whatsoever to get this girl” “The job interviewers said yes, well kinda” “This man had the audacity to think he’d make it into college”
@@legendaryblood1937 Not true. In those days they measured how high someone could get above the rim by touching a spot on the backboard, usually with a running start like Jerry West does here. ruclips.net/video/Oj9jbyUlsPU/видео.html They never measured standing vert nor even max vert the same way we do today.
This video is a false narrative. Clutch being based solely on FG pct? Gtfoh... assists, defense, points and the W-those are more important in the clutch. Don’t drink his kool aid.
Wilt's 48 inch vert always sounded insane to me, but a 40 inch vert is still pretty damn insane for a 7'1 player and he was a true 7'1 (measured without shoes). I was always impressed by how easily Wilt launched himself into the air. A lot of big men really have to exert themselves to get airborne, but Wilt did it so effortlessly.
I vibe with this comment. I recently saw a video of a roughly 6'5" 240lb body builder do an extremely acrobatic back flip, dude had like a full extra second of air time he probably could've done a second flip. Insane to me to watch huge guys like that move around so well.
@@YAPPS600 high jump measurements don’t count because it’s a different style of measurement and most of the highest leapers in the NBA haven’t competed in high jump and therefore don’t have that measurement
The story with Wilt reaching the top of the backboard actually involves him grabbing a quarter, so using that we can assume his max reach is actually closer to 13'1.5 or evenhigher
For real and on top of that you you have to factor in the hype it brings to your teammates, the assist, the blocks, the steals. Not just the shooting percentage. Being clutch isn’t only about scoring.
I agree. Take away layups and make the shooter is being guarded. That’s how I see a clutch shooter. Everyone knows you’re getting the ball, no layups or dunks. straight jump shot.
@@jago103182 So only jumpshots make you clutch?!?!?! ASININE! The pressure of you and everyone in the building knowing the ball is coming to you for the shot... if you get to the rim, you are not only smarter and more efficient than the jumpshooter, you are CLEARLY better to be able to sift through the defense and get the best possible shot! You guys are comical with your takes!
Those charts don’t prove him right. If you torture numbers enough they will confess to anything. He’s cherry picking and basing his entire argument on stats.
@@faisbdbca It's surprisingly easy to do with muscle memory, hit 2 or three in a row eyes open then do it eyes closed should go down pretty fast. What mattered was the guts to do it while trashing in the midst of an NBA game.
@@inboxlibrary8512 ikr, but being completely honest, throughout the entire stretch of the game, Julian consists of being the "star" the entire game, when there's literally better players on the team like for instance, Manny.
Just copy and pasting one of the comments I said earlier when someone said he doesn't have a 45 inch vert. Think about how they were placing him at around a 40 inch vert by just watching him play sports, he is not even jumping as high as he can, he has to also focus on playing the game, we have no idea how tired he already is(he plays every minute), whether or not if he is sore, and he is not just solely doing a jump at full capacity. We don't have enough information to even prove that he doesn't really have a 48 inch vert. And just based off of him getting a 40 while just looking at a random jump from his games I wouldn't doubt he at least has a 45 inch vert. And maybe he really did have a 48 inch vert at some point, we didn't even get to really see his prime.
AceMcKnight you realize how big the difference between a 40 and a 45 inch vert is mans chest would be at the rim and that random clip is the one everyone shows because that’s the highest he’s been filmed jumping and your argument that he never jumped as high as he could is stupid how would you never once in your career jump your hardest to block a show or something like that claim is actually so pee brained for you to even think
@@winstonshepard7410You literally just backed up my statement when you said that's the highest we've ever filmed him jumping, we barely even seen his career. And did you really just say pee brain while not considering the many factors that go into a jump, he has to time the jump to make it to the ball in time, he doesn't have time for a full force jump, he didn't prepare for a single jump and a single jump only, like do I really have to re say everything I just said, it's almost as if you can't read.
@@winstonshepard7410 Pee brain Lmao, I can also tell you clearly have no idea how to jump correctly, you don't even know the difference between a random jump mid game (tons of factors) and a actual measured jump with nothing else in the picture, you can have perfect form, no fatigue, no soreness, nothing to think about but that single jump, and with them in their prime, there is a huge difference.
@@justainternetwonderer1273 exactly we are talking about the biggest, playoffs/championship, pressure-packed, do-or-die type of games, not those last 6 minutes 4th quarter regular season games sheesh, This channel almost always skew the truth and turn it to myth and vice versa. Same as the superteams, there should be an asterisk with player-induced superteams and team-induced superteams, 2 different things.
@@jordanthedoge535 If you actually looked into it, even in the most pressure-packed moments and do or die moments, the better shooters normally will still shoot better, even if they are regarded as not clutch. Clutch is a completely biased narative. Statistically, steph is one of the most clutch shooters in history, no matter what way you are trying to bias it
My take: being clutch means NOT having a worse percentage, when shots start to matter. Clutch performers aren't getting better - they just stay as good as they are. Others don't. Funny enough, there is a stat that claims that Lebron only hit 20% (!) of shots with 5 seconds or less on the clock, to tie or win a game, during his career... he’s great and ice cold, up until this very last possession... and if you've watched him over the last seasons, you know that he almost never takes the last-possession-shots, anymore...
I feel like REAL clutch ness is within the last 5 mins. Curry, lebron, Damian lillard, kawhi, Klay. All of these players in my opinion have been the most clutch in those last 5 mins in this decade (10’-20’)
@@glorp7833 clutchness should partially be ability to lead a comeback or pull away, hit a game winning or tying shot (anywhere), and have great overall performances through the whole game in important games. (Lebron, 2012 ECF game 6)
Just to tell you how crazy a 48" vertical is for those who don't know but if Tacko Fall had a 48" vertical he'd be jumping about 6.5" higher then the BACKBOARD.
Also, it wasn't a good comparison when he said "the highest rated defense won 12, lost 8; and the highest offense won 12 lost 8"-- because obviously the same team will be higher in off and def. Obviously a much more accurate comparison would be, how many times did the highest rated def beat the highest rated off, when they WERE NOT the same team.
Maaan the amount of work that went into this video!! Great job on the storytelling, but then the graphics which I know how tedious they can get 😃 Great video Jimmy ✌
Nice video. Wilt's highest measured reach is 13'3 so he had a max 45 inch vertical. During games, Wilt was a one-step leaper and he could get to around the top of the backboard. When you get measured for the vertical leap, you get a running start.
Pretty sure I saw a video that defined cutch shooting as the last 5 minutes. Bron was at like 28% MJ was 44%. 12 minutes is way too big of a sample size.
@@ringz3215 Funnily enough there are shoes developed that make you jump higher, but surprise surprise the NBA banned them. Would be hilarious to allow them for the dunk contest though
In respect to the "Clutch" player thing: The calculations were based on the last 12 minutes of a game, but many examples come to mind, that really don't impact the game that much in the 4th quarter overall, but for instance in the last 2-3 minutes they make one or two super crucial plays or make the game winning shot or score in rue of taking the lead and the momentum. Basing it on 12 minutes tells the average and not really the whole story, I think. Also, I believe there is a thing like certain players being more prone to get hot in crucial moments. If you look at the averages over one or more seasons, that phenomenon might be statistically invisible, if a player has one of those games now and then, but also has a number of games in which he performs subpar in important minutes or even the whole game.
yeah the clutch part he kinda butchered. The last couple of possessions are where you can see the best player being forced into a bad shot, on a defense that uses everything to stop you. This is also where people really get to play with nerves, that can seriously affect your ability.
The last 12 minutes is too much time, that's a whole quarter if the score is less than 6 points apart, what if the team was losing by 8 points and get back at the end? Weren't those first 2 or 3 points made in clutch time too? We know that it's arbitrary, but 12 minutes is too much.
Just copy and pasting one of the comments I said earlier when someone said he doesn't have a 45 inch vert. Think about how they were placing him at around a 40 inch vert by just watching him play sports, he is not even jumping as high as he can, he has to also focus on playing the game, we have no idea how tired he already is(he plays every minute), whether or not if he is sore, and he is not just solely doing a jump at full capacity. We don't have enough information to even prove that he doesn't really have a 48 inch vert. And just based off of him getting a 40 while just looking at a random jump from his games I wouldn't doubt he at least has a 45 inch vert. And maybe he really did have a 48 inch vert at some point, we didn't even get to really see his prime
@G C a lot of people do actually. Maybe if you didnt sit in your room watching curry and warrior highlights like Flight does and do something with your life youd know that.
I think there's a solution here: we need to get the right definition of "clutch" because NO ONE means the last 12 mins of the game when they use the word "clutch"
Young Love yeah but he’s using this narrative to dimish the greatness of MJ , and while yes he was known for having a great 4th quarter he was more known for converting on the final possession of a game
@@taskmaster6129 actually, no he's not. He says Jordan may be the most clutch player in that regard. I disagree with him. Jordan is overrated. No one ever points out Jordan's flaws such as when he used to be a selfish player before Phil Jackson came along or how Pip6made clutch plays to keep them in the game resulting in Jordan being able to take the final shot and clench the win. There's times when the Bulls bench stepped up while Jordan struggled. But when it comes to everyone else they got excuses for why they're not clutch. "Ray Allen and Kyrie irving saved Lebron's career." "Kobe took too many shots and they don't count the misses." "Jerry West only has 1 out of 9 champions." As far as I'm concerned, Reggie Miller is more clutch than Jordan. He doesn't have as much skill and versatility as most shooting guards but his clutch gene compensates for all that an is a primary reason that he was a superstar as opposed to an All Star. And that's just one example of many.
It’s quite probable that Wilts standing vertical jump was marginally better in a test scenario vs in game. But stretching from an estimated 40 (in game) to 48 (test) is a massive leap.
I mean it would not be crazy to say he had best vertical in history, but almost a quarter of a jump from the next guy is most defnitely not true. we cant say for sure, but we aso cant say that there was not ever a guy who could jump 80 inches but lets be real, chances for that are next to none. same with Wilt
@@smoceany9478 highest recored jumping center in history has 40 in this video, if Wilt was theoretically 48 it means he has 8 inches more, 10 would be an exact quarter more so I rounded and said almost a quarter more, stop being overly pedantic
@@smoceany9478 Well that is a big factor, you cant compare otherwise, it is biologically impossible, what I was trying to do is put this myth into a perspective, 2 inches more than highest one doesnt sound that much, especially since it is Wilt and since he was special it is plausible for some, who dont take into consideraiton how height influences jumping negatively after a certain limit. Hell 8 inches more than highest center sounds plaussible as well for some, because you dont have perspective and reference of how big of a difference that is, 8 inches can be relatively big or small number. But when oyu say almost a quarter more than the next most capable person in that regard, we aint comparing him to average person in that category, but the next best jumping center, that is how you put it in perspective and make it obvious how it is impossible that it was truth. because 8 inches doesnt tell you much, what if the next best guy had 100 inch vertical, then 8 inches would be 8% and while still impressive margin, it would be possible. But almost a 25% difference in any category would have to mean he had some genetic or in other way biological anomaly, its not possible for a normal natural human beign to have that advantage over the next best one Edit: this was my original train of thought, but since it is a youtube comment seciton I wanted to make it concise as possible so I wrote it the original way I did
Shouldn’t the last 48 minutes of the game be considered “the clutch”? Bc every shot you make or miss will help or hurt the chances of you winning the game. There’s more to a game than just the last 5 minutes.
Personally, I think it depends on the game whether or not this criteria should be used. Game 34 of the regular season? Who gives a shit what is or isn't clutch. Game 7 of the Finals? Hell yes those last 12 minutes can be considered "clutch time" if it's a close back and forth game.
Also, whole games can be considered "clutch time" depending on the situation. For example.....LeBron in the 2016 Finals in the last 3 games with his Cavs down 3-1 in the series.
The Heat weren’t the first “super” team, they were the first “super” team that was entirely formed by players, not teams. The Bulls and 80s Celtics were mainly formed through the draft and team led trades
@@timrettig8457 i dont get why people consider that bulls a superteam. I'm a Rodman fan. He's one of my favorite players ever. I have a collection of his jerseys. He is a hall of famer. But he was not exactly a guy known to change a franchise. He had just com from Spurs where he did not have such an impact and he wasn't exactly sought after. In fact he was traded for Will Perdue. Not exactly an NBA shaking move. And the numbers support that. He was more hustle than technique. Thats why I loved him playing, but that hardly makes a super team. The Warriors also bother me. Their big 3 were drafted and had a 73 win season before adding Durant. That not a super team in the meaning I get for that expression. That is a very well managed drafting. Not hired for millions in order to stack with talent. Anyway, all this is subjective, I suppose.
tbh, they aint even the best in the east, right now i dont think a super team yet and im a kd fan. i think that a super team has to have good chemistry for it to be a super team no hate juat my opinion
Also, 12 minutes aka a quarter of the game isn't clutch. That's usually last 30 seconds. And also, shots should be counted for when the team is DOWN in points not in situations where the team is up.
@@NikolaJokic23 i wouldn't say that but i think what the concept of clutch that he used was wrong, a clutch shooter like shooter was the type of guy that wouldn't be affected by pressure and hit a game winner in the finals as a guy like westbrook would shot a 30 feet brick with 3 seconda left on the clock, that's what separate a clutch player from a non clutch player imo
It doesn’t exist. Like just think about it. Everyone knows the famous game winning shots Jordan made throughout his career. But do you know how many late game shots Jordan missed? No of course you don’t bc those don’t show up on the highlight reels. It’s all bias and made up bullshit. If you’re a good shooter, then you’re gonna shoot well late in a close game. It’s not rocket science.
@@mattschumacher4581 no it's not that simple lol, there's ALWAYS going to be pressure. some people just can't handle the mental stress and their concentration falters. we've seen hundreds of players choke clutch shots or freethrows in boston or philly (2 of the loudest and most violent crowds).
Anish Sattaram maybe they missed those shots bc they just missed those shots. Steph Curry doesn’t make every open 3. Players don’t choke they just miss shots.
Average height of centers back then was 6’11 same as today. What you talking about. IDC anymore your just gonna bring up another excuse like they weren’t skilled enough or possibly there were 8 teams.
I was gonna say that, the modern super team is when the all stars come together through free agency or trades, while back then it was more so the became a super team
@@no.1trunkstard839 gsw wasnt a super team until they traded for durant, they were a really good team with a new kind of offense that no one was ready for. They became unbeatable when durant joined
@@uncleben7306 Well theres claims he was able to jump and grab a quarter off of the top of the backboard, that looks pretty accurate to the example picture that was shown in the video with his arm stretched out and max height
Clutch is technically last 5 minutes of a 'close' game. He did a good job manipulating stats in this vid. Seems like hes making it up but ok I guess some of that is sorta true
Funny how despite being a legend, Wilt is still somehow underrated. Give the man at least a 40.75 inch vertical, so Wilt can be #1 on the list of 7 footers jumping ability. He was also a world class volleyball player. P.S. My grandfather held the Canadian high jump record for a few years, using the same "Western Roll" style we saw Wit successfully employing. Crazy they had to land on sawdust! My grandfather paid the price in later years for all those hard, punishing falls. P.S.S. Great job on the video. Peace out.
Jimmy, could you please make the "clutch" shooting percentages with 3 minutes remaining, and then with 1 minute remaining? I'm just really curious, btw keep the good content, your channel is amazing.
@@tomtigertimtiger9499 but it's the only statistic out there that we can use to define clutch other than the one that jxmmy used here, unless some one were to go a d watch the last 3 minutes or dobof every NBA game ever that was around 6 points in point differential.
Nothing channel you have to account that there’s just 8 teams so it not watered down. For example take the absolute best players from today’s game and compress them down into 8 teams. That’s what Bill Russell played through.
I think you're painting with a broad brush on the first point. Numbers don't lie, but clutch is more than your percentage. Clutch is heart. Clutch is "I can be 4-16 from the field and I'm going to shoot this last shot like I've been getting buckets all game." Clutch is a mindset that no matter what I'm not rattled, I embrace this moment!
I love how after the fact, when player's stories are written, one can just go back and assume that these were super teams. When in fact many of these players turned into hall of famers only after so many years winning. It was never obvious at first. No one knew Pippen, Rodman, would be superstars their first three or five years in league!....but everyone knew there were a strong possibility wade, LeBron and bosch would became superstars right after their rookie years.
@@astroida4390 Exactly. Now imagine had kyrie missed all those shots before he made that one. Is he clutch then? Far from it. This is why you have to grade the performance of the 4th quarter as a whole of a player rather then just one shot. Sometimes to get to that shot you have to be clutch and play great to get to that point to begin with. And what about lbj block in that finals? Was that not clutch? Going by the 30sec rule it is not which is bogus.
@@iamdalibor That's what makes it clutch. If he missed all shots in the 4th but made the shot with with everything on the line then that person is clutch. When you come through with everything is on the line, you're clutch. It's redemptive. Not all shots have equal importance.
@@welcome2thekingdom how does a shot have more value than another? Two points is still two points, no matter when you score them. Are you saying it’s more ‘clutch’ to send the game into overtime rather than winning the game by double digits?
This is the only time Jimmy I have to disagree- Magic & Worthy, including MJ & Scottie - they developed organically they both started has rookies, the others moved around in their Prime- Dennis is an anomally - he joined when he had problems at Spurs & Bad boys- he turned his game around when he joined the Bulls= Golden State natural team like the bulls
That clutch vs non clutch analysis is so weak I don't even want to get to the details. You cant define clutch time as the last 12 mins to start with, and you also cant just look at the %... It doesn't tell the full story... Come on you are much better than that
@orange juice That's the reason why it was a weak argument, there's simply no data to fully back it up. Sure, it could be proof, but to disprove clutch? No. Numbers can't show what's going on a player's or team's mind while trying to win a playoff game with a big lead to overcome and with time winding down.
@orange juice You can't say a bad statistical category is good because there isn't a better one... He simply shouldn't have included that part in the video, instead of declaring clutch a myth based on a ridiculous definition.
I like Jxmy's videos, but I have to agreee with you Reggie. He has a history of tailoring his examples and graphs as well to make things look less or more impressive to fit his narrative as well. Where you start an axis on a graph can make stats look completely different on a graph.
Boss: I need you to come up with a report and show the graphs and averages of our current work force and break down the numbers in a presentation for us Me: um... okay Me: "Hey Jimmy You busy??????? " :)
I feel like super teams really went away when the salary cap was introduced in 1984. The idea of a super team is not new, it’s the cramming of 3 max contracts into a team’s salary cap that is.
@The Techxtremist I think he took a certain stat just to fit his narrative, it also doesnt account for fuck ups like C Webb calling timeout that he didn't have at the end of the game, I know that was in college but its an example of not being clutch.. its not all just about shooting percentage , in addition Michael Jordan defense in the last 5 minutes what about that compared to other guys.. tons of steals to dunk at the other end and blocks
@@jamesskidmore4776 you just did what you tell dude 🤣 add some things in your comments just to fit your narrative, cause that's all we do bruh, you can't just talk like that and got no prove in it
No, the entire 4th quarter is definitely clutch. If you're sealing away the game in the final quarter to secure your team the win, you came up clutch. If you're always chucking buzzer beaters because your games always come down to the wire, maybe it wouldve been more clutch to have balled out 8 minutes earlier.
I’ve always defined “super team” as a newly formed team of already established superstar players. Most of the teams mentioned before the 2008 Celtics were composed of players who spent their entire careers with that one franchise.
Well the 1996-8 Bulls recruited Rodman, and the '70s Knicks recruited Earl Monroe, Dave Debusschere and Jerry Lucas. Also I think that the draft system has evolved. Today it's highly unlikely that a super talented team will ever get the first pick like the 80s Lakers of Magic and Kareem did in 82 when they got James Worthy. The Celtics also recruited Bird one year before he left the NCAA just to be sure he would end up on their roster. Scouting quality has also increased a lot, so it is harder and harder for a franchise to build itself on draft alone. In the 80s or 90s it was common to see super teams built from the NCAA but since then only the Spurs and then Warriors have pulled it (and the Warriors had to buy a MVP to get their 3rd future HoF member...). Money also means that even great drafting does not mean getting a super team down the line (ie OKC). Finally, there are super teams that just flopped, like the Rockets when they bought Chuck or the Lakers of Malone and Payton. Sure, those are "past their prime" examples but they still were proto-super-teams, they just weren't successful.
Nicely put. To develop from the ground is much different from just signing another star. We need Hard cap. And a system where a Max paid star would need a HUGE discount like 40% 50% if he wants to unify with another max star. Everybody thought there was parity this year. It is gone. You would put your money on Clippers or Lakers. Bucks at most.
G C He’s the 2nd greatest of all time, with more pressure put on him than any other athlete ever and was talented enough to transcend basketball and become an Icon. Not to mention, he’s still the face of the NBA at 35. His career isn’t a failure, you’re just pathetic, evident by your use of, “Lechoke”
2008 Celtics happened through trades, so it was more like an "organic" superteam, it's not like the 3 decided to team up or anything. It's a bit like saying KD Russ and Harden were a super team when they were drafted together
yeah, wilt coming from the sixers and gail coming from the suns to the lakers is definitely a superteam by that definition. it's just not as common back then as superteams that were all drafted because there was no free agency
And I don't know. I feel like if he used modern tools, it might hinder him or something. He was determined at his training and did it the old fashioned way. I feel like products like muscle milk or other enhancing dietary food might stunt potential to an extent. But my opinion has no fact, evidence, or even logic behind it, so just disregard what I said, I guess.
He didn’t need modern training, all he would need is aa good 3 point coach and he would be absolutely unstoppable, Wilt ran a 4.6 with a 45 inch vertical and benched 500, nobody’s in today’s NBA is guarding that
@@kitproudfoot8148 the first block was clean. The second shot was a goaltend. They didn't play the video long enough to know whether the refs blew the whistle.
@@phillipschuman4307 I don't remember this specific game. Check out the Lakers/Bucks game on RUclips. You can see the live matchup between the two giants.
@@cryptic9807 yeah, but the "eye test" is all about preferance. The only way to debunk it without being biast or what not is by breaking it down using statistics. Not much more he could do to get am objective fact on the matter 🙂🙂
I'd also shift the time frame to 3 minutes 6 points difference or less or under that's crunch time that's what people are talking about when they call someone clutch the ability to take over the game. its not really an eye test or definable by statistics as much as it is confidence that you know that they will deliver because you have come to expect it due to them delivering time and time again.
The thing with the heat superteam in 2011 was that it was the first superteam where players made the decision on their own and not where organisations orchestrated the whole thing
5:08 Rodman was 34 to 36-years-old during those years (37 by the '98 Finals). Not exactly a prime. MJ was also approaching his mid-30s while Pippen was in his early 30s.
True they weren't in their physical primes, but the 1996 bulls are considered the best team of all time. I think they were still very capable physically (definitely not near the level of the first three peat), but technically and basketball IQ wise they improved
@@jp3813 yeah, but I don't think he meant physical prime, I think he meant prime quality in their career, and I think he has a case if that's what he meant, otherwise I'm siding with you.
Prime has nothing to do with age, that's what people want to believe. Prime is referring to performance. We're either of those players playing worse in 98 in comparison to their early years? Nope not one of them. Jordan just dunked less, Pippen was a monster and Rodman missed practices and it had ZERO effect on his game. They were veterans and had mastered their craft in comparison to younger players just getting started in the league. They dominated on the court.
A myth: "the true pointguard" is a good and a winning pointguard. the defenition of a "true pointguard" is a pointguard who is known for his passing ability more than his scoring ability 1) Since 1977 (the year when the NBA and the ABA merged) the highest assist per game player on the championship team averged over 10 assits per game only 3 times, it happened in 1988, 1987 and 1985 and were all accoplished by Magic Johnson. 2) Since 1977 only once the assist leader of a season was a part of the championship team. it happenet in 1985 Magic johnson. 3) If we take a look at 4 of the best "true pointguards" in the history: Stockton, Chris Paul, steve nash and jason kidd. out of this four players, two never madeit to the finals, one made it to the finals twice but never won and one made it to the finals 3 time but only won once when he wasn't in his prime. that shows that although this players are all time greats together they combined for only 5 finals appearances and one championship. just to compare steaph curry who isn't consider a "true pointguard" has 5 finals appearances and 3 championships. this is only a small proof so if anybody has something to add to it or something against it, I would be happy if you write it so I can see.
nah; - Not sure what you mean by your first point, as it's poorly worded, but there are certainly other players than Magic Johnson that averaged over 10 assists per game in the finals and won that year. One example would be Michael Jordan in '91, who averaged 11.4APG in the finals & started a dynasty after that. And he isn't even a point guard, so I'm sure there are other examples aswell. - second point is completely invalid. What does having the highest assists per game in the regular season have to do with being a true point guard? In the recent 5 years, Russel westbrook won that award twice, Harden won that award once & Now Lebron is about to win it. 3 players that are definitely not "true pointguards". If you look further back, examples such as Wilt show up. - I find it more than just disrespectful that you decided to mention Jason Kidd, but not : * Rajon Rondo ( who has 1 ring and is about to get his 2nd) * Tony Parker ( who has 4 rings) * Isiah Thomas ( Who has 2 rings and is concidered as the second best point guard by some) And you could probably throw in Magic Johnson in there, who you yourself mentioned & praised earlier or perhaps Oscar Robertson -- but since both of them were also great scorers might aswell let them slide. And mentioning curry is just stupid. He's a great player, don't get me wrong. But a lot of his career had to do with luck. He was lucky that the warriors drafted another top tier ( some call him the second best shooter all time) shooter. He was lucky that the warriors also drafted a defender capable of winning the DPOY award. He was lucky that the warriors also got Andre Ig. He was also lucky that these 3 players could make up for his lack of defense. and I'm sorry but then also getting the second best player in the league on your team... then add all the lucky misfortunes that happened to the teams they had to play. Such as kyrie getting injured in '15, zaza being dirty in '17, CP3 getting injured '18.... yeahhhhhh
Great content - and I agree some players get a clutch reputation that is unwarranted but some players definitely choke or perform better under pressure then others.
A guy scores 20 points: "Okay" Another guy scores 2 points but it was the buzzer beater winner: "Wow, this is a headline!" We humans just seek excitement that's all.
If he didn’t score those 2 points would they have won? It goes both ways. I agree obviously if the first guy didn’t score 20 they wouldn’t have won. But it takes teamwork, i.e. both guys scoring.
@@jmad9428 You are making his point. Why not give equal credit to both or all players who contributed to the win, as opposed to romanticizing the "he hit the game-winner/game-tying bucket" guy! Its a fallacy that has dumb-down basketball enjoyment.
Jimmy’s ex: I’M PREGNANT! YOU’RE THE FATHER!
Jimmy: well, kinda…
jimmy would say that tho lmao
"to put that into perspective"
"Its beyond me"
jimmy has a graph for that lmao.."if you look here, this is the date of penetration..if you look here, based on my numbers, this is the date of conception..it just doesnt add up.." hahahaha
rofl !!!!!!!
Jimmys favorite phrase: well, kinda
And also: "...right?"
Cmon guys lets be real he prolly has a graph about this to show us!!
No. Its: I have a chart for that
“To put this stat into perspective” “And as always, until next time” “right?”
Well, kinda
I want this man to make a video about my life, it’d be hilarious and depressing.
“This man has no chance whatsoever to get this girl”
“The job interviewers said yes, well kinda”
“This man had the audacity to think he’d make it into college”
🤣🤣
Or worse, he will point out how easy it would have been to be better in all areas of your life and show the stats to prove it.
@@alexchapman3906 man starts pulling out graphs and shit
hello fellow basketball and berserk fan 😳
@@alexchapman3906 probably make a chart as well 😂
Who remembers when we had trap sax and we weren’t quarantined 😪 those were the days
Bruh everybody remembers the trap sax
Asian Baller not if there new
That’s true
I was thinking what's trap sax I thought i was going insane but then i remembered
Before trap sax was on tiktok 😭😭😭
40-41 inch vert is still crazy thing when we're talking about 7'1'' giant
I believe that was his point at the end when he made the Miles Plumlee comparison.
Not to mention 41 inches jump by Wilt were done using only a standing vert .. not a max vert.
@@legendaryblood1937 Not true. In those days they measured how high someone could get above the rim by touching a spot on the backboard, usually with a running start like Jerry West does here. ruclips.net/video/Oj9jbyUlsPU/видео.html
They never measured standing vert nor even max vert the same way we do today.
His 40 inch is a myth. Its a 52 inch verical chase down thank you. Afterall, he touched the top of a back board with a standing jump
It's hard to believe that its actually 48 inch
This man can come out and say:
Here's why Joakim Noah is the REAL G.O.A.T.
And yet he'd still have quality evidence for it
Boy, I tried to make the case in my mind but...it all falls apart after DPOY and 2 ASGs;)
He was really good for 4 years and shite ever since
YeeSoest he also was top 3 in MVP one year during like 2011 or 2012 I think when D-ROSE was injured
This video is a false narrative. Clutch being based solely on FG pct? Gtfoh... assists, defense, points and the W-those are more important in the clutch. Don’t drink his kool aid.
astheskylarksings lol ok buddy you wish
Wilt's 48 inch vert always sounded insane to me, but a 40 inch vert is still pretty damn insane for a 7'1 player and he was a true 7'1 (measured without shoes). I was always impressed by how easily Wilt launched himself into the air. A lot of big men really have to exert themselves to get airborne, but Wilt did it so effortlessly.
I vibe with this comment. I recently saw a video of a roughly 6'5" 240lb body builder do an extremely acrobatic back flip, dude had like a full extra second of air time he probably could've done a second flip. Insane to me to watch huge guys like that move around so well.
Wilt probably had some of the densest fast twitch fibers in human history tbh
He has a video of him doing a 6’6 high jump
@@YAPPS600 high jump measurements don’t count because it’s a different style of measurement and most of the highest leapers in the NBA haven’t competed in high jump and therefore don’t have that measurement
@@Matt-dp7ze what?? What’s the difference? It’s a jump
Me: watches this video
Also Me: Opens another tab and quietly plays Trap Sax.
ruclips.net/video/rtk7PqOX8LQ/видео.html
too sad man 😔
NBA Fan: Has an opinion
Jxmy: Well yes, but actually no
Well , kinda
Really couldn't get any more any accurate.
Jxmmyhighroller is basically the definition of “quality over quantity”
Him and sovietwomble
exactly
He got quality and quantity. Such a legend
And Mustard (not the music guy)
@@odasletras Haven't heard of him in years
Honestly When Jimmy uploads it makes my day
Facts
Matthew S you right
fax
True
Ong
The story with Wilt reaching the top of the backboard actually involves him grabbing a quarter, so using that we can assume his max reach is actually closer to 13'1.5 or evenhigher
Crazily it’s actually around 13.3 ft!
What would that mean his vertical was?
The mythological story you mean. 😂
Yes a 'story'.... you know there's also a 'story' he also slept with a 100 women a day for years on end...
I'd like to see clutch stats for the last 2-3 mins or so because I think most people consider that to be clutch, not the whole fourth quarter.
For real and on top of that you you have to factor in the hype it brings to your teammates, the assist, the blocks, the steals. Not just the shooting percentage. Being clutch isn’t only about scoring.
G C when you look at the last 10 seconds in playoff games LeBron still has a higher fg % than MJ and Kobe
G C Michael Jordan: 7/15 (47%)
Kobe Bryant: 5/22 (23%)
LeBron James: 12/23 (52%)
the last 10 seconds stats
I agree. Take away layups and make the shooter is being guarded. That’s how I see a clutch shooter. Everyone knows you’re getting the ball, no layups or dunks. straight jump shot.
@@jago103182 So only jumpshots make you clutch?!?!?! ASININE! The pressure of you and everyone in the building knowing the ball is coming to you for the shot... if you get to the rim, you are not only smarter and more efficient than the jumpshooter, you are CLEARLY better to be able to sift through the defense and get the best possible shot! You guys are comical with your takes!
Lebron: plays for the laker
Jimmy: uses photoshopped lebron picture
thats gold
i was like wait lebron in the lakers? and i was like oh wait...
The laker I think you meant lakers
@@knudkejsen5181 tf does it matter?
Its the nba logo
Jimmy has some wild takes in the beginning of his videos, and then whips out 50 million charts to prove him right
Minimal Interest but, they’re literally numbers....,.and they aren’t, lying?
Minimal Interest how do you lie when you pull up 3 different types of charts all proving your claim?
Lmao accurate as fuck
Guys he has minimal interest. What do you expect
Those charts don’t prove him right. If you torture numbers enough they will confess to anything. He’s cherry picking and basing his entire argument on stats.
MJ's blind free throws had me sitting outside eyes closed for weeks trying to hit a free throw without looking
yo, did u get any?
@@faisbdbca It's surprisingly easy to do with muscle memory, hit 2 or three in a row eyes open then do it eyes closed should go down pretty fast. What mattered was the guts to do it while trashing in the midst of an NBA game.
The only reason they say “defense wins championships” is because all young players only want to play offense and no defense.
Yea that's probably true to be honest.
@G C *cough cough julian newman
@@inboxlibrary8512 ikr, but being completely honest, throughout the entire stretch of the game, Julian consists of being the "star" the entire game, when there's literally better players on the team like for instance, Manny.
Pretty sure the saying originates from football in which case it's true 80% of the time
*cough* *cough* James harden is 30 *caugh*
Who misses Jimmy's old intro
Me 😔
Tiktok ruined that shit
Milly jilly who cares. I miss jimmy’s intro
He cannot do it anymore because he got copyrighted.
Dang just look it up damn
When you realize that jimmy’s videos be getting more views then a WNBA game
ouch
Lol
Not surprised
Who doesn't get more views than the WNBA?
Azael Arzate I don’t
"There were no teams with more than 2 star players between 1998 and 2008"
The SAS with Parker, Duncan and Ginobili: Am I a joke to you?
I love how even if Wilt didn't have a 48" vertical, he still likely had the highest vert of any 7 footer in history
Just copy and pasting one of the comments I said earlier when someone said he doesn't have a 45 inch vert.
Think about how they were placing him at around a 40 inch vert by just watching him play sports, he is not even jumping as high as he can, he has to also focus on playing the game, we have no idea how tired he already is(he plays every minute), whether or not if he is sore, and he is not just solely doing a jump at full capacity. We don't have enough information to even prove that he doesn't really have a 48 inch vert. And just based off of him getting a 40 while just looking at a random jump from his games I wouldn't doubt he at least has a 45 inch vert. And maybe he really did have a 48 inch vert at some point, we didn't even get to really see his prime.
AceMcKnight you realize how big the difference between a 40 and a 45 inch vert is mans chest would be at the rim and that random clip is the one everyone shows because that’s the highest he’s been filmed jumping and your argument that he never jumped as high as he could is stupid how would you never once in your career jump your hardest to block a show or something like that claim is actually so pee brained for you to even think
@@winstonshepard7410You literally just backed up my statement when you said that's the highest we've ever filmed him jumping, we barely even seen his career. And did you really just say pee brain while not considering the many factors that go into a jump, he has to time the jump to make it to the ball in time, he doesn't have time for a full force jump, he didn't prepare for a single jump and a single jump only, like do I really have to re say everything I just said, it's almost as if you can't read.
@@winstonshepard7410 Pee brain Lmao, I can also tell you clearly have no idea how to jump correctly, you don't even know the difference between a random jump mid game (tons of factors) and a actual measured jump with nothing else in the picture, you can have perfect form, no fatigue, no soreness, nothing to think about but that single jump, and with them in their prime, there is a huge difference.
@@XENOX-777 Is there even any proof that he had a 48 inch vertical?
The Most Random Fact Ever Is That Miles Plumlee Has A 40 in Vertical
Who says white men can't jump?
He gets up over here in Australia now. Even won a ring.
Why Do You Type Like This?
@@Basetornado are the wildcats a superteam by nbl standards?
Jacob The Hooper *thats the biggest myth in this whole video*
Jimmy uploads on a boring Tuesday afternoon?
Nice
No longer boring
Nice
This is 4th quarter stats. Far from what “clutch means”. Case in point, Robert Horry.
He should have called it crunch time
@@justainternetwonderer1273 exactly we are talking about the biggest, playoffs/championship, pressure-packed, do-or-die type of games, not those last 6 minutes 4th quarter regular season games sheesh, This channel almost always skew the truth and turn it to myth and vice versa. Same as the superteams, there should be an asterisk with player-induced superteams and team-induced superteams, 2 different things.
@@jordanthedoge535 If you actually looked into it, even in the most pressure-packed moments and do or die moments, the better shooters normally will still shoot better, even if they are regarded as not clutch. Clutch is a completely biased narative. Statistically, steph is one of the most clutch shooters in history, no matter what way you are trying to bias it
My take: being clutch means NOT having a worse percentage, when shots start to matter. Clutch performers aren't getting better - they just stay as good as they are. Others don't.
Funny enough, there is a stat that claims that Lebron only hit 20% (!) of shots with 5 seconds or less on the clock, to tie or win a game, during his career... he’s great and ice cold, up until this very last possession... and if you've watched him over the last seasons, you know that he almost never takes the last-possession-shots, anymore...
@@Zett76 I agree, clutch shooters are those who arent affected by the pressure
Jxmmy starts charting:
Me: Ahh sh*t here we go again
Quick fact right here:
Almost everyone acts like clutchness has an extremely large part to do with their celebration
Even though it shouldn't
SunamiKilla what if you hit it with your team down by one?
From what I see a “clutch” player is just another word for a player that has moments,moments that are impressive or historic.
I feel like REAL clutch ness is within the last 5 mins. Curry, lebron, Damian lillard, kawhi, Klay. All of these players in my opinion have been the most clutch in those last 5 mins in this decade (10’-20’)
RIP Kobe, he was clutch
@@glorp7833 clutchness should partially be ability to lead a comeback or pull away, hit a game winning or tying shot (anywhere), and have great overall performances through the whole game in important games. (Lebron, 2012 ECF game 6)
"Most of the time, the team that scores the most points, wins the game." John Madden
But all the time the team that scores wins
Lmao.
He is right tho.
Incredibly right.
You can't argue at all, type of right.
Wait, what are you trying to say?
Just to tell you how crazy a 48" vertical is for those who don't know but if Tacko Fall had a 48" vertical he'd be jumping about 6.5" higher then the BACKBOARD.
The backboard would become a hurdle
“White men cant jump”
Miles Plumlee has entered the chat
Pat Connaughton: *b r e a t h e s*
@@TheHuskyK9 not how the meme works
G C I smell facts
G C Caruso?
@G C I'm white and I got a 29" vert and can dunk at 6'0"
The term “defence wins championships” is because most young players only want to score and slack on D.
Big fact, many of our eldest fan our just a bitter and younger fan is a show off
Also, it wasn't a good comparison when he said "the highest rated defense won 12, lost 8; and the highest offense won 12 lost 8"-- because obviously the same team will be higher in off and def. Obviously a much more accurate comparison would be, how many times did the highest rated def beat the highest rated off, when they WERE NOT the same team.
Ayyooo slack on d
I only slack when playing street ball, I’m not tryna injure myself
Honestly When Jimmy uploads it makes my day
Maaan the amount of work that went into this video!! Great job on the storytelling, but then the graphics which I know how tedious they can get 😃 Great video Jimmy ✌
Heat Check hi heat check
Nice video. Wilt's highest measured reach is 13'3 so he had a max 45 inch vertical. During games, Wilt was a one-step leaper and he could get to around the top of the backboard. When you get measured for the vertical leap, you get a running start.
And who knows how much higher it could of been with the PEDS taking today lol
@@coachwane And he did it in chucks lmao
wilt chamberlain in 1959: prime
wilt in 1973: prime
wilt in 1998: prime
Wilt chamberlain right now: somehow even better
Juan Man come out the grave and get 30 and 20
Wilt in 1999: dead
Wilt was the goat
@@lolxd5059 1.Wilt 2.Bill
Wilt is such a freak of nature his whole career sounds like a myth, I love that
I hope he played in the modern era
Rayene Boussetta *wished
IKR lmao 🤣
That’s not surprising at all
Why isn’t wilt chamberlain ever talked about in the greatest alive
Bruh lets be real the whole last 12 mins ain’t clutch shots
@G C you must be a warriors fan
Big faccccs
Pretty sure I saw a video that defined cutch shooting as the last 5 minutes. Bron was at like 28% MJ was 44%. 12 minutes is way too big of a sample size.
Found it.
ruclips.net/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/видео.html
Starting at 26:30
G C you tried hes clutch 😅
“Defense wins championships” is the most truthful in Football
I thought that saying was only for football... does it even apply to baseball?
@@blest5132 Ofc it applies in baseball. Good fielding is a must have.
@@blest5132 Also apply to hockey
If you are referring to soccer as football,then as a soccer fan i can tell you defense never won championships, only offense did.
@@emiliospowerballer1441 bruh, If I meant soccer I would’ve said damn soccer. Im American. Football is football, soccer is soccer
Jimmy- shows charts and math, and stuff
Me trying to keep up- Yup, uhhhh ok clutch, kobe, charts and Miles Plumly is the goat
lmao
ruclips.net/video/ChyPeuiywKw/видео.html Best of NBA 1v1s ft Bron KD Steph Harden Tatum and Irving
Dont forget that Wilt jumped that high in converse. Imagine how high he could jump in today's shoes.
Shoes arent gonna give him multiple inches on his vert. You actuallu jump higher the more your feet make contact with the ground
@@ringz3215 Funnily enough there are shoes developed that make you jump higher, but surprise surprise the NBA banned them.
Would be hilarious to allow them for the dunk contest though
@@ringz3215 ikr
@@lx4half751 I hope they do allow it for some fun.
Probably around the same
"And as always until next time."
-JxmyHighroller
In respect to the "Clutch" player thing: The calculations were based on the last 12 minutes of a game, but many examples come to mind, that really don't impact the game that much in the 4th quarter overall, but for instance in the last 2-3 minutes they make one or two super crucial plays or make the game winning shot or score in rue of taking the lead and the momentum. Basing it on 12 minutes tells the average and not really the whole story, I think.
Also, I believe there is a thing like certain players being more prone to get hot in crucial moments. If you look at the averages over one or more seasons, that phenomenon might be statistically invisible, if a player has one of those games now and then, but also has a number of games in which he performs subpar in important minutes or even the whole game.
yeah the clutch part he kinda butchered. The last couple of possessions are where you can see the best player being forced into a bad shot, on a defense that uses everything to stop you. This is also where people really get to play with nerves, that can seriously affect your ability.
The last 12 minutes is too much time, that's a whole quarter if the score is less than 6 points apart, what if the team was losing by 8 points and get back at the end? Weren't those first 2 or 3 points made in clutch time too? We know that it's arbitrary, but 12 minutes is too much.
Worse definition of clutch I've seen.
I'm still impressed with Wilts 40 inch vert
Josh Martling 100 points is more impressive
Just copy and pasting one of the comments I said earlier when someone said he doesn't have a 45 inch vert.
Think about how they were placing him at around a 40 inch vert by just watching him play sports, he is not even jumping as high as he can, he has to also focus on playing the game, we have no idea how tired he already is(he plays every minute), whether or not if he is sore, and he is not just solely doing a jump at full capacity. We don't have enough information to even prove that he doesn't really have a 48 inch vert. And just based off of him getting a 40 while just looking at a random jump from his games I wouldn't doubt he at least has a 45 inch vert. And maybe he really did have a 48 inch vert at some point, we didn't even get to really see his prime
AceMcKnight 48 I don’t believe 48 but I would believe 45 max
collin russell lots of people say that bro
What about Miles Plumlee with a 40 inch vert
Oh yeah and wilt played in chuck Taylor’s for most of his early career
Goat
Imagine him in some lebrons😫
@G C warriors fan huh
@G C a lot of people do actually. Maybe if you didnt sit in your room watching curry and warrior highlights like Flight does and do something with your life youd know that.
@@MTGFaded stfu lebum stan
I think there's a solution here: we need to get the right definition of "clutch" because NO ONE means the last 12 mins of the game when they use the word "clutch"
Clutch is basically scoring the ball or bringing your team back into contention in Desperate moments.
That’s what I said.
Young Love yeah but he’s using this narrative to dimish the greatness of MJ , and while yes he was known for having a great 4th quarter he was more known for converting on the final possession of a game
@@taskmaster6129 actually, no he's not. He says Jordan may be the most clutch player in that regard. I disagree with him. Jordan is overrated. No one ever points out Jordan's flaws such as when he used to be a selfish player before Phil Jackson came along or how Pip6made clutch plays to keep them in the game resulting in Jordan being able to take the final shot and clench the win. There's times when the Bulls bench stepped up while Jordan struggled. But when it comes to everyone else they got excuses for why they're not clutch. "Ray Allen and Kyrie irving saved Lebron's career." "Kobe took too many shots and they don't count the misses." "Jerry West only has 1 out of 9 champions." As far as I'm concerned, Reggie Miller is more clutch than Jordan. He doesn't have as much skill and versatility as most shooting guards but his clutch gene compensates for all that an is a primary reason that he was a superstar as opposed to an All Star. And that's just one example of many.
thats the only reason why lebrons pecentage is so high
It’s quite probable that Wilts standing vertical jump was marginally better in a test scenario vs in game. But stretching from an estimated 40 (in game) to 48 (test) is a massive leap.
I mean it would not be crazy to say he had best vertical in history, but almost a quarter of a jump from the next guy is most defnitely not true. we cant say for sure, but we aso cant say that there was not ever a guy who could jump 80 inches but lets be real, chances for that are next to none. same with Wilt
@@nbassasin8092 almost a quarter of a jump? the record isnt 36 inches its 48, he would just tie the record
@@smoceany9478 highest recored jumping center in history has 40 in this video, if Wilt was theoretically 48 it means he has 8 inches more, 10 would be an exact quarter more so I rounded and said almost a quarter more, stop being overly pedantic
@@nbassasin8092 oh you meant center,, well yea alright, makes sense
@@smoceany9478 Well that is a big factor, you cant compare otherwise, it is biologically impossible, what I was trying to do is put this myth into a perspective, 2 inches more than highest one doesnt sound that much, especially since it is Wilt and since he was special it is plausible for some, who dont take into consideraiton how height influences jumping negatively after a certain limit. Hell 8 inches more than highest center sounds plaussible as well for some, because you dont have perspective and reference of how big of a difference that is, 8 inches can be relatively big or small number. But when oyu say almost a quarter more than the next most capable person in that regard, we aint comparing him to average person in that category, but the next best jumping center, that is how you put it in perspective and make it obvious how it is impossible that it was truth. because 8 inches doesnt tell you much, what if the next best guy had 100 inch vertical, then 8 inches would be 8% and while still impressive margin, it would be possible. But almost a 25% difference in any category would have to mean he had some genetic or in other way biological anomaly, its not possible for a normal natural human beign to have that advantage over the next best one
Edit: this was my original train of thought, but since it is a youtube comment seciton I wanted to make it concise as possible so I wrote it the original way I did
Okay I’m not trying to hate but since when was the last 12 MINUTES of a game considered “the clutch”
ikr
Shouldn’t the last 48 minutes of the game be considered “the clutch”? Bc every shot you make or miss will help or hurt the chances of you winning the game. There’s more to a game than just the last 5 minutes.
Science I'm guessing
Personally, I think it depends on the game whether or not this criteria should be used. Game 34 of the regular season? Who gives a shit what is or isn't clutch. Game 7 of the Finals? Hell yes those last 12 minutes can be considered "clutch time" if it's a close back and forth game.
Also, whole games can be considered "clutch time" depending on the situation. For example.....LeBron in the 2016 Finals in the last 3 games with his Cavs down 3-1 in the series.
The Heat weren’t the first “super” team, they were the first “super” team that was entirely formed by players, not teams. The Bulls and 80s Celtics were mainly formed through the draft and team led trades
Arjuna Bazaz facts!
Exactly
Not the second 3 peat bulls and that’s the only bulls he was talking about.
@@timrettig8457 i dont get why people consider that bulls a superteam. I'm a Rodman fan. He's one of my favorite players ever. I have a collection of his jerseys. He is a hall of famer. But he was not exactly a guy known to change a franchise. He had just com from Spurs where he did not have such an impact and he wasn't exactly sought after. In fact he was traded for Will Perdue. Not exactly an NBA shaking move.
And the numbers support that. He was more hustle than technique. Thats why I loved him playing, but that hardly makes a super team.
The Warriors also bother me. Their big 3 were drafted and had a 73 win season before adding Durant. That not a super team in the meaning I get for that expression. That is a very well managed drafting. Not hired for millions in order to stack with talent.
Anyway, all this is subjective, I suppose.
Thats because free agency didnt exist so it doesnt really makes and the celtics would still be the firat
Wilt was 7’1, if he had a 48 inch vertical his head would be at 11’1. that’s 13 inches above the rim dawg. never happened
U gotta realise that all those pictures he showed are standing verts not a max vert, when wilt was in his prime he couldve maybe jumped that high
40 still good tho
Lucar S. Exactly standing his arm was at the top of the backboard on a block and it was a standing jump
wilt was trynna score not jump as high as he can
@Mario Sandman he said that on a standing jump (to get a block) his arm reached the backboard so on a running jump his hand could have reached higher
Who’s here after harden is with the nets and now they have a super team⬇️
They don’t have a super team they can’t defend against a big man 😂
@@imnick693 defense 💨 aint there
Meh
Wut the hecc u mean
tbh, they aint even the best in the east, right now i dont think a super team yet and im a kd fan. i think that a super team has to have good chemistry for it to be a super team no hate juat my opinion
"Clutch" shouldnt be defined as the last 12 mins when within 6 points. More like the last 2-3 mins.
Fax
It's always been defined as the last 5 minutes, but that's when LeBron starts to choke, so they had to give him a full quarter.
@@FRodriguez_ found the Bron hater
@@Jsak28 found the Bron fanboy
It also said it was in between a 6 point difference.
Every time I click on his videos I get sad when I don’t hear the trap sax
Same man
Who cares just focus on the video
Akame ga kill??
Lebron Jamek THANK YOU jeez just look up trap sax music if you wanna hear it so damn bad
Imagine if tacko had a 48 inch vert👀👀👀
@Ethan Zambrano That's why he said "Imagine"
@@JimmyButlersdreads he heard you lmao that's why he said he REFUSED to even IMAGINE the THOUGHT of the POSSIBILITY of such a HORRIFIC reality
25 blocks pg
@Ethan Zambrano i think he has 27" max vert
@@ye-3026 yeah 2 foot 3 inch vert
Regarding the "clutch" myth... I'll just say sometimes the absence of context can effect the impact of stats.
Yup, doesn't matter when you pull off a clutch moment early in the season compared to playoff games.
Also, 12 minutes aka a quarter of the game isn't clutch. That's usually last 30 seconds. And also, shots should be counted for when the team is DOWN in points not in situations where the team is up.
@@samraizshoaib585 not necessarily. Daggers are clutch no?
@@jazeroliversy673 I’d say it should be last 3 minutes, (5 max) but saying the entire 4th quarter is clutch time doesn’t make much sense
@@giaxd405 fair enough
You’re trying to put Skip out of business with debunking “clutch”.
I disagree with jimmy cause clutch can’t be a stat in my opinion
@@NikolaJokic23 i wouldn't say that but i think what the concept of clutch that he used was wrong, a clutch shooter like shooter was the type of guy that wouldn't be affected by pressure and hit a game winner in the finals as a guy like westbrook would shot a 30 feet brick with 3 seconda left on the clock, that's what separate a clutch player from a non clutch player imo
john doe ONG THO! I was literally thinking how he would react to this video
@@JulioCesar-zl1km you didn't watch the vid did you
Who else found one of jimmys vids and now watches him regularly?
Me
Isn’t that how it always works?
not me been watching for 2 and a half years
I been watching him for a while now
JacobFSU 3yrs miss the 🎷 intro beat😭
When my guy said clutch shooting doesn’t exist I knew I had to strap in for this one
How you didn’t already know that before this video
It doesn’t exist. Like just think about it. Everyone knows the famous game winning shots Jordan made throughout his career. But do you know how many late game shots Jordan missed? No of course you don’t bc those don’t show up on the highlight reels. It’s all bias and made up bullshit. If you’re a good shooter, then you’re gonna shoot well late in a close game. It’s not rocket science.
@@mattschumacher4581 no it's not that simple lol, there's ALWAYS going to be pressure. some people just can't handle the mental stress and their concentration falters. we've seen hundreds of players choke clutch shots or freethrows in boston or philly (2 of the loudest and most violent crowds).
@@anishsattaram3793 why are you saying boston and philly, there are guys now who choke, why you didn't mention them
Anish Sattaram maybe they missed those shots bc they just missed those shots. Steph Curry doesn’t make every open 3. Players don’t choke they just miss shots.
So much more respect for Wilt's numbers. I thought most centers in his time were shorter.
Average height of centers back then was 6’11 same as today. What you talking about. IDC anymore your just gonna bring up another excuse like they weren’t skilled enough or possibly there were 8 teams.
@@greatdane1991 bruh he just said he had more respect for his numbers since he learned they were the same height
@@greatdane1991 Lot of people just don't do research into the era they hear myths about.
The most recents super teams are free agents coming together in the offseason , not being drafted there like in the 60s,70s,and 80s
I was gonna say that, the modern super team is when the all stars come together through free agency or trades, while back then it was more so the became a super team
finally someone said it
I know you said most but GSW
@@no.1trunkstard839 gsw wasnt a super team until they traded for durant, they were a really good team with a new kind of offense that no one was ready for. They became unbeatable when durant joined
What about GM trading for other players, thats is the same thing as a player joining forces, actually its worse because now the players have a choice!
Wilt didn’t need to jump that high in a game... He was just giving them a chance...🤣
he only used his jumping abilities for shot blocking, rebounding, and defense
I just saw a clip where he got most of his head above the rim, so he jumped at least 3ft 6in, or 42in
Hayden Gaming 33333 how you calculated? how much of his head? what video? how do you know how big his head is? do you know how high his shoes are?
Uncle Ben I mean if u got insta I can send u the clip
@@uncleben7306 Well theres claims he was able to jump and grab a quarter off of the top of the backboard, that looks pretty accurate to the example picture that was shown in the video with his arm stretched out and max height
I’m curious how the numbers would be if we looked at the last minute of a close game only
It should be last 2 minutes
Rayene Boussetta stars not taking 10 shots in that time span definitely would be high for a lot of players
Clutch is technically last 5 minutes of a 'close' game. He did a good job manipulating stats in this vid. Seems like hes making it up but ok I guess some of that is sorta true
Exactly! Players can shoot 💯 for the game but if those shots were made during the flow and not at critical points, it doesn't fuckin matter.
Numbers mean everything bc if u have a good FG% u are clutch but people who are clutch has low FG% so clutch is not a thing ?
Funny how despite being a legend, Wilt is still somehow underrated. Give the man at least a 40.75 inch vertical, so Wilt can be #1 on the list of 7 footers jumping ability. He was also a world class volleyball player. P.S. My grandfather held the Canadian high jump record for a few years, using the same "Western Roll" style we saw Wit successfully employing. Crazy they had to land on sawdust! My grandfather paid the price in later years for all those hard, punishing falls. P.S.S. Great job on the video. Peace out.
Jimmy, could you please make the "clutch" shooting percentages with 3 minutes remaining, and then with 1 minute remaining? I'm just really curious, btw keep the good content, your channel is amazing.
@G C you wouldnt say he is scared to his face though
Krlllx he would probably never meet him face to face thio
@G C did you really diss a man for passing, that's a pretty important part of basketball. What's next, getting mad at a rebound?
yes! IMO 12 min. is wayyyyy to much to measure clutchness
@@tomtigertimtiger9499 but it's the only statistic out there that we can use to define clutch other than the one that jxmmy used here, unless some one were to go a d watch the last 3 minutes or dobof every NBA game ever that was around 6 points in point differential.
4:43
Hold on one second...
"11 hall of famers, 8 in their prime"
Didn't Bill Russell's Celtics win 11 rings, and 8 in a row?
👀
Bill won 11 rings and 8 in a row. Not the Celtics roster
In an 8 team league in the 60s does it really count ?
@@nothingchannel6402 yes
Nothing channel it’s does he played in a different era that’s why
Nothing channel you have to account that there’s just 8 teams so it not watered down. For example take the absolute best players from today’s game and compress them down into 8 teams. That’s what Bill Russell played through.
I remember one old myth that led me to believe was that left-handed shooters were "more accurate" than right-handed shooters.
Its not a myth
I reckon it’s the fact that they are harder to guard when they’re lefties
there could be some type of explanation. because i've never met a left handed hooper who COULDN'T shoot
@A.A.Ron Davis gotta factor in that due to the lack of lefties in the world, they aren't that many to guard others so their FG% goes up
Its just because most defenders if not all are not used to guarding lefties due to the fact that there are more righties than lefties.
I think you're painting with a broad brush on the first point. Numbers don't lie, but clutch is more than your percentage. Clutch is heart. Clutch is "I can be 4-16 from the field and I'm going to shoot this last shot like I've been getting buckets all game." Clutch is a mindset that no matter what I'm not rattled, I embrace this moment!
If that mindset doesn't translate to gameplay then does it matter though ?
@@khalilrahme5227 His point or mine?
@@shujaamwenyemaarifa6821 yours
A 40 inch vertical is insane for a 7'1 center who played in the 60's.
The fact that his height was bbare foot aswell so technically 7'2
and in chuck taylors
His athleticism is 50 years ahead of his time 4.5 speed 550 bench press in his 40s 38-40 vert
Huxanator yeah that 550 bench is BS and we all know it. that 4.5 is probably stretched too. maybe 4.6 but not 4.5
@@cooperjames882 Im a solid 90% sure his bench was legit. At age 59 he was still benching 450+
Nobody:
Jimmy: Making godly content to save us during quarantine
We're still in quarantine?
y u still quarantining lmao
This joke format needs to die.
Lockdown isn’t a thing anymore
@@Urbrainongaming crazy how this isn't a joke and he thinks hes original
nobody:
Literally nobody:
Jxmy: I can stat it
I love how after the fact, when player's stories are written, one can just go back and assume that these were super teams. When in fact many of these players turned into hall of famers only after so many years winning. It was never obvious at first. No one knew Pippen, Rodman, would be superstars their first three or five years in league!....but everyone knew there were a strong possibility wade, LeBron and bosch would became superstars right after their rookie years.
Who else loses track of time when watching this man😂🤷♂️
"Clutch game time" in my opinion is in the last minute or 30secs with the game on the line
Ur saying Kyrie Irving’s shot was not clutch he made it when there was 59 secs
Left
4 me clutch is the last 2 mins
@@astroida4390 Exactly. Now imagine had kyrie missed all those shots before he made that one. Is he clutch then? Far from it. This is why you have to grade the performance of the 4th quarter as a whole of a player rather then just one shot. Sometimes to get to that shot you have to be clutch and play great to get to that point to begin with.
And what about lbj block in that finals? Was that not clutch? Going by the 30sec rule it is not which is bogus.
@@iamdalibor That's what makes it clutch. If he missed all shots in the 4th but made the shot with with everything on the line then that person is clutch. When you come through with everything is on the line, you're clutch. It's redemptive. Not all shots have equal importance.
@@welcome2thekingdom how does a shot have more value than another? Two points is still two points, no matter when you score them. Are you saying it’s more ‘clutch’ to send the game into overtime rather than winning the game by double digits?
"Clutch shooting is a myth"
*Jamal shooting 73% from 3pt in the clutch these playoffs*
"Well, kinda"
lollllllll
This is the only time Jimmy I have to disagree- Magic & Worthy, including MJ & Scottie - they developed organically they both started has rookies, the others moved around in their Prime- Dennis is an anomally - he joined when he had problems at Spurs & Bad boys- he turned his game around when he joined the Bulls= Golden State natural team like the bulls
Your clutch definition is a myth :p
“And as always, until next time.” “.....Well... Kinda..” “To put this stat into perspective” “Here is a chart showing ...”
Lol
That clutch vs non clutch analysis is so weak I don't even want to get to the details. You cant define clutch time as the last 12 mins to start with, and you also cant just look at the %... It doesn't tell the full story... Come on you are much better than that
@orange juice That's the reason why it was a weak argument, there's simply no data to fully back it up. Sure, it could be proof, but to disprove clutch? No. Numbers can't show what's going on a player's or team's mind while trying to win a playoff game with a big lead to overcome and with time winding down.
@orange juice You can't say a bad statistical category is good because there isn't a better one... He simply shouldn't have included that part in the video, instead of declaring clutch a myth based on a ridiculous definition.
I know man..Jimmy kinda disappointed me in this vid
I like Jxmy's videos, but I have to agreee with you Reggie. He has a history of tailoring his examples and graphs as well to make things look less or more impressive to fit his narrative as well. Where you start an axis on a graph can make stats look completely different on a graph.
The transitions in this video were so smooth that I didn't realize that he went over every myth until the end. That's just genius
Boss: I need you to come up with a report and show the graphs and averages of our current work force and break down the numbers in a presentation for us
Me: um... okay
Me: "Hey Jimmy You busy??????? " :)
Man the amount of times i have seen that Kawhi shot. Every time it hurts
As a sixers fan I must agree.
Goosebumps every time up here in Canada, eh? 4 bounces... just madness.
U must be a sizer fan huh ?😂yea that was a lucky shot tbh
Yeah it was a travel too
@xYoungBL00D But it was though, not a 76ers/Raptors fan
I feel like super teams really went away when the salary cap was introduced in 1984. The idea of a super team is not new, it’s the cramming of 3 max contracts into a team’s salary cap that is.
Wilt had a standing reach of 9'6, his highest recorded jump had his hand reach 13'2, so we can calculate that his highest recorded vert is 44 inches
The whole 4th quarter is not a definition of "clutch" moments. Last 2 mins man, wtf is this... i dont like the science on this one dude, sorry.
@The Techxtremist I think he took a certain stat just to fit his narrative, it also doesnt account for fuck ups like C Webb calling timeout that he didn't have at the end of the game, I know that was in college but its an example of not being clutch.. its not all just about shooting percentage , in addition Michael Jordan defense in the last 5 minutes what about that compared to other guys.. tons of steals to dunk at the other end and blocks
@@jamesskidmore4776 Isnt that what youre doing? Adding things so your narrative of "clutchness" seems valid.
I agree if we compared numbers by stating that clutch is the last 2 min all the (clutch) players will have higher status than other non clutch
@@jamesskidmore4776 you just did what you tell dude 🤣 add some things in your comments just to fit your narrative, cause that's all we do bruh, you can't just talk like that and got no prove in it
No, the entire 4th quarter is definitely clutch. If you're sealing away the game in the final quarter to secure your team the win, you came up clutch. If you're always chucking buzzer beaters because your games always come down to the wire, maybe it wouldve been more clutch to have balled out 8 minutes earlier.
"Defense Wins Championships" is a saying for beginners or inexperienced players, who think Offensive only. IMO
Yes
Nathan Sreethar He said beginners
Cruzyx you missed a joke
Cruzyx
the joke
Your head
Once I saw the title I knew you were going to talk about Wilt facing 6'6" centers. Myth makes no sense.
Bro, you are the GOAT NBA analyst. I wish ESPN would hire you!
Remember in the 60s they measured without shoes. Now they do
Tushar Bhudia facts, if they measured with shows on then the average center height would be nearly 7 foot
They actually do both now
Super Mega Foxy Awesome Hot yea and now teams today look like 60s teams
They started measuring without them again tho
There was only 9 NBA teams in 1965.
I’ve always defined “super team” as a newly formed team of already established superstar players. Most of the teams mentioned before the 2008 Celtics were composed of players who spent their entire careers with that one franchise.
Well the 1996-8 Bulls recruited Rodman, and the '70s Knicks recruited Earl Monroe, Dave Debusschere and Jerry Lucas.
Also I think that the draft system has evolved. Today it's highly unlikely that a super talented team will ever get the first pick like the 80s Lakers of Magic and Kareem did in 82 when they got James Worthy. The Celtics also recruited Bird one year before he left the NCAA just to be sure he would end up on their roster.
Scouting quality has also increased a lot, so it is harder and harder for a franchise to build itself on draft alone. In the 80s or 90s it was common to see super teams built from the NCAA but since then only the Spurs and then Warriors have pulled it (and the Warriors had to buy a MVP to get their 3rd future HoF member...). Money also means that even great drafting does not mean getting a super team down the line (ie OKC).
Finally, there are super teams that just flopped, like the Rockets when they bought Chuck or the Lakers of Malone and Payton. Sure, those are "past their prime" examples but they still were proto-super-teams, they just weren't successful.
Nicely put. To develop from the ground is much different from just signing another star. We need Hard cap. And a system where a Max paid star would need a HUGE discount like 40% 50% if he wants to unify with another max star. Everybody thought there was parity this year. It is gone. You would put your money on Clippers or Lakers. Bucks at most.
G C He’s the 2nd greatest of all time, with more pressure put on him than any other athlete ever and was talented enough to transcend basketball and become an Icon. Not to mention, he’s still the face of the NBA at 35. His career isn’t a failure, you’re just pathetic, evident by your use of, “Lechoke”
2008 Celtics happened through trades, so it was more like an "organic" superteam, it's not like the 3 decided to team up or anything. It's a bit like saying KD Russ and Harden were a super team when they were drafted together
yeah, wilt coming from the sixers and gail coming from the suns to the lakers is definitely a superteam by that definition. it's just not as common back then as superteams that were all drafted because there was no free agency
Imagine the potential chamberlain could of had with modern training and coaching
bruh in todays nba he'd prolly have some sort of a 3 point shot
@@johnkovats6777 Well actually:
ruclips.net/video/h0IC8Nwkd1w/видео.html
And I don't know. I feel like if he used modern tools, it might hinder him or something. He was determined at his training and did it the old fashioned way. I feel like products like muscle milk or other enhancing dietary food might stunt potential to an extent. But my opinion has no fact, evidence, or even logic behind it, so just disregard what I said, I guess.
@@johnkovats6777 hall of fame deep hooks 3 pointer
He didn’t need modern training, all he would need is aa good 3 point coach and he would be absolutely unstoppable, Wilt ran a 4.6 with a 45 inch vertical and benched 500, nobody’s in today’s NBA is guarding that
Wilt Chamberlain was an absolute beast and had incredible finesse as well! Really wish there was more old footage of his exploits.
Let’s all agree that we don’t know the exact measurement of Wilt’s vertical but if you can block the skyhook, you can jump pretty damn high
They called Goaltending every time he did it.
@@RatedRex1 no they didn’t there is videos of him blocking multiple in a row and no ref blew on it
@@kitproudfoot8148 the first block was clean. The second shot was a goaltend. They didn't play the video long enough to know whether the refs blew the whistle.
@@RatedRex1 I saw that game. It was not ruled a goal tend, as I recall.
@@phillipschuman4307 I don't remember this specific game. Check out the Lakers/Bucks game on RUclips. You can see the live matchup between the two giants.
Philly fans having flashbacks after the intro
that's me 😭😭😭
@@faizaans.9871 I was heartbroken and not even a Philly fan. well, heartbroken months later
I mean there’s more to being clutch than just field goal percentage
Exactly. Stats are great and all but they are always used without context to fit someone’s narrative, eye test it infinitely better
@@cryptic9807 yeah, but the "eye test" is all about preferance. The only way to debunk it without being biast or what not is by breaking it down using statistics. Not much more he could do to get am objective fact on the matter 🙂🙂
Yes but the “eye test” is easily to be biased towards even if you’re not trying to be it isn’t a perfect way to analyze clutch of course but
WHAT??
I'd also shift the time frame to 3 minutes 6 points difference or less or under that's crunch time that's what people are talking about when they call someone clutch the ability to take over the game.
its not really an eye test or definable by statistics as much as it is confidence that you know that they will deliver because you have come to expect it due to them delivering time and time again.
The thing with the heat superteam in 2011 was that it was the first superteam where players made the decision on their own and not where organisations orchestrated the whole thing
5:08 Rodman was 34 to 36-years-old during those years (37 by the '98 Finals). Not exactly a prime. MJ was also approaching his mid-30s while Pippen was in his early 30s.
True they weren't in their physical primes, but the 1996 bulls are considered the best team of all time. I think they were still very capable physically (definitely not near the level of the first three peat), but technically and basketball IQ wise they improved
@@De3dSh0t I'm not denying that, but the video is the one that labeled them as players in their primes. Pippen was, but Rodman wasn't.
@@jp3813 yeah, but I don't think he meant physical prime, I think he meant prime quality in their career, and I think he has a case if that's what he meant, otherwise I'm siding with you.
@@De3dSh0t He didn't really specify, but a player's "prime" usually refers to age.
Prime has nothing to do with age, that's what people want to believe. Prime is referring to performance. We're either of those players playing worse in 98 in comparison to their early years? Nope not one of them. Jordan just dunked less, Pippen was a monster and Rodman missed practices and it had ZERO effect on his game. They were veterans and had mastered their craft in comparison to younger players just getting started in the league. They dominated on the court.
A myth:
"the true pointguard" is a good and a winning pointguard.
the defenition of a "true pointguard" is a pointguard who is known for his passing ability more than his scoring ability
1) Since 1977 (the year when the NBA and the ABA merged) the highest assist per game player on the championship team averged over 10 assits per game only 3 times, it happened in 1988, 1987 and 1985 and were all accoplished by Magic Johnson.
2) Since 1977 only once the assist leader of a season was a part of the championship team. it happenet in 1985 Magic johnson.
3) If we take a look at 4 of the best "true pointguards" in the history: Stockton, Chris Paul, steve nash and jason kidd. out of this four players, two never madeit to the finals, one made it to the finals twice but never won and one made it to the finals 3 time but only won once when he wasn't in his prime. that shows that although this players are all time greats together they combined for only 5 finals appearances and one championship. just to compare steaph curry who isn't consider a "true pointguard" has 5 finals appearances and 3 championships.
this is only a small proof so if anybody has something to add to it or something against it, I would be happy if you write it so I can see.
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA bro chill with the all caps
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA He's even from Moron Mountain!
nah;
- Not sure what you mean by your first point, as it's poorly worded, but there are certainly other players than Magic Johnson that averaged over 10 assists per game in the finals and won that year.
One example would be Michael Jordan in '91, who averaged 11.4APG in the finals & started a dynasty after that. And he isn't even a point guard, so I'm sure there are other examples aswell.
- second point is completely invalid.
What does having the highest assists per game in the regular season have to do with being a true point guard?
In the recent 5 years, Russel westbrook won that award twice, Harden won that award once & Now Lebron is about to win it. 3 players that are definitely not "true pointguards".
If you look further back, examples such as Wilt show up.
- I find it more than just disrespectful that you decided to mention Jason Kidd, but not :
* Rajon Rondo ( who has 1 ring and is about to get his 2nd)
* Tony Parker ( who has 4 rings)
* Isiah Thomas ( Who has 2 rings and is concidered as the second best point guard by some)
And you could probably throw in Magic Johnson in there, who you yourself mentioned & praised earlier or perhaps Oscar Robertson -- but since both of them were also great scorers might aswell let them slide.
And mentioning curry is just stupid.
He's a great player, don't get me wrong.
But a lot of his career had to do with luck.
He was lucky that the warriors drafted another top tier ( some call him the second best shooter all time) shooter.
He was lucky that the warriors also drafted a defender capable of winning the DPOY award.
He was lucky that the warriors also got Andre Ig.
He was also lucky that these 3 players could make up for his lack of defense.
and I'm sorry but then also getting the second best player in the league on your team...
then add all the lucky misfortunes that happened to the teams they had to play.
Such as kyrie getting injured in '15, zaza being dirty in '17, CP3 getting injured '18.... yeahhhhhh
hhh you’re correct don’t get me wrong but if it’s all about luck, every single nba champion is lucky to have a good team. So that isn’t a valid point
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA bro chiiiiiillll
jimmy: clutch is a myth..
40 secs later..
jimmy proceeds to define clutch..
Are you dumb
Stupid
or dumb.
Huh?
Epic
Great content - and I agree some players get a clutch reputation that is unwarranted but some players definitely choke or perform better under pressure then others.
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A guy scores 20 points: "Okay"
Another guy scores 2 points but it was the buzzer beater winner: "Wow, this is a headline!"
We humans just seek excitement that's all.
If he didn’t score those 2 points would they have won? It goes both ways. I agree obviously if the first guy didn’t score 20 they wouldn’t have won. But it takes teamwork, i.e. both guys scoring.
@@jmad9428 You are making his point. Why not give equal credit to both or all players who contributed to the win, as opposed to romanticizing the "he hit the game-winner/game-tying bucket" guy! Its a fallacy that has dumb-down basketball enjoyment.
Hitting game winners and making defensive plays in the last 2 minutes is my definition of clutch
@@f3p Cool its a definition based on your biases like what was explained in the video.
Seeker OD ok
You cant define clutch by such a narrow definition. Its just like porn. You know a clutch situation when you see it
The term “defence wins championships” is because most young players only want to score and slack on D.
@@stansole604 saying "defense wins championships" isnt even wrong, either, its just that it wins just as much as offense does
Yeah, you cannot judge it based on stats. We have seen players run away from the ball in clutch situations.
Good call...you said it! You nailed it!