Moses Malone was the reigning league MVP when he joined the 76ers as a free agent in 82. The Sixers were the defending East conference champs and Dr. J was league MVP the previous season. I think any discussion about early "superteams" should include this team.
You didn't debunk the Yao Ming one. Yao himself said it's not true in a Reddit AMA, said he started playing for fun at age 9. This conspiracy theory gives 1979 CCP way too much credit. The country was too broke to win the Sino-Vietnamese war, let alone fund a eugenics program. If there were such a program, why basketball as opposed to a sport that China is actually good at, like ping pong or weightlifting? Here's a way more likely version: Back then, it wasn't socially normal to stay unmarried past mid-20s. Communist party officials often took it upon themselves to play matchmaker. It was perfectly fine to reject these proposals but many people would accept because they wouldn't be trying to find you a spouse if you weren't struggling to find one yourself. Yao's mum was 31 and 6ft tall. The motivation to match them was probably just on the basis that Yao's dad was single, taller than her and close enough in age.
"No owner, no trades" Meanwhile the Hornets trade several players, including CP3 himself to the Clippers with no owner. This airplane was flying pretty fine with no pilots, I think...
Sixers fan here and I have no problem with Derrick white or how he plays. He’s clearly a very impactful player that matters for the Celtics. What I didn’t like last season was him getting all star consideration when he has less of a load than the guys ahead of him. It is significantly easier for a guy who is arguably the 5th option on a given night to be more efficient than first or second options where you get more attention than anyone else. If there was a best role player award, I’d vote for Derrick white but I won’t agree with him being an all star
About the defence: Are we gonna ignore that Luka said it's 100% harder to score in Euroleage mostly because of the 3 second rule? The NBA until 2006 had the 3 second rule while also having much better defenders than the Euroleage. Shouldn't that(+ handchecking)mean that it was harder to score back then?
The hand checking is mitigated by the illegal defense rule, which basically eliminates some of the more advanced defensive concepts we see today and basically allowed superstars to find and isolate weaker defenders all game long
@codex9279 , I think you can see one of the best examples of what your talking about by look at the Bulls play the Jazz in the Finals back in the 90s. Like at least half of possessions end up just being Jordan or Malone iso-ing. (Also, watching any old games hurts when you see the amount of uncontested 3s the give up; especially when the player just passes out of it despite being wide the hell open.)
Really enjoyed your last points on modern defense. People are too quick to use lower scoring games as evidence for better defense in the past, but refuse to acknowledge the increased need for defensive versatility along with the legalizing of zone defense and double teams.
I'm glad I stumble upon your channel, GREAT VIDEO! I've been saying, it's not that the defenses are bad now it's just how much the offense has evolved. PLUS no zone until 01-02 season, it was illegal to even leave your man to double-team. Most of the bigs are so darn slow, a switch and it's over. Now most teams got all these 6'8 or taller swiss knives, your Herb Jones/Jonathan Isaac/Vando/JD/All them Thunder youngins
Agreed on all counts except for athleticism being higher and defense better. There has never been shortage of amazing athletes in the league; only change of play styles. You can’t expect that modern offensive systems would work without freedom of movement rules.
exactly this tool in the video said offense is just better but he skips over the fact the rules have made it be like that. No more handchecking, no more bigs camping in the piant, no more tough fouls. The game is the most free its ever been for offensive players.
@MicroWave233 okay but like I'm confused as to why yall don't see why for instance bigs can't do that because everyone couldn't shoot back then even some guards couldn't. Even kobe and ai shot 32 percent. That's not good. Handchecking was never good defense it was because people couldn't stay in front of they man.
@jerrytee4239 they shot 32%, where are you getting these numbers, out your ass? If you referring to the lower FG% of their era then that's because of the DEFENSE. The worse spacing and physical play made it to where you had to learn how to create space and take it the hole while your defender is putting their whole arm on you. Imagine a guy like James harden, or even steph curry trying to drive to the lane with a big waiting in the piant.
@MicroWave233 or they did ? Go look why argue and not know things like that even all time great guards like kobe ai and Jordan weren't great shooters. No they didn't. U and anyone else saying this needs to get your old ass in a time machine and go back to then get with the times. The last 3 years have had the best rated offenses in the literal history of the sport. 7/8 of the highest rated offenses all time were all from last season. 7/9 are from the last 3 years. The Detroit pistons last year offensive rating was 15 points better than prime shaq and kobe lakers, was better than the jazz the bulls blew out by 50 and was better than the pistons the year they won the chip. Defense isn't worse offense is way better lol. They would both be perfectly fine because all the dude would do is foul them because they can't guard them like bruh it's mfs like bill lambeer who get called good defenders year he didn't make a single defensive first or second team or even had a single defensive accolade. Defense is better now because they have to guard players that can score from anywhere. Tf are u talking about they could hide the fact bigs couldn't guard the pick and roll, shoot, or rotate back then good luck with that now. And again I have no idea why u keep trying to justify hand checking like it was ever good defense lol if u have to hold or grab the person u guarding u can't guard them.
@MicroWave233 u have talents in the league now never seen. U have someone like luka who's essentially magic.. but can hit almost 4 3s a damn game... how do u guard that? Double right ... then he averages 9 ast.. Defense isn't worse Offense is better. Give me a actual game plan of how to guard some of these guys. How do u stop steph. Lebron. Ant man. Sga. Embid lmk lol because if there is a way the league has yet to find it I've seen everything thrown at them. Mfs talking about no defense go look at the all time scoring list and realize in the last 15 years how many of them were active players. This is the most talented period of basketball no disrespect to any era. Any advanced analytics would tell u this.
it has 90s to 2000s rules with modern defensive players. Players who know how to guard the pick and roll and that can defend one on one outside of their position, and that can switch. That's the difference.
Great video. Love the perspective you provide on topics that people definitely get wrong. Big ups Josh Hart! Let us not forget that one time he didn't play every minute in a game, when he dropped 44 on his hometown Wiz. Easily could have dropped 50 but the game wasn't in doubt and he sat down the stretch.
Gonna be honest, as a Chinese person, I’ve never heard of that Yao Ming conspiracy theory. But it absolutely would not shock me if it was to be true. The whole “being better than every single other country and everyone who wasn’t Chinese was a bad person” idea, was highly popular back then. And even now, a bunch of old goobers still push for that idea.
I think ppl would've had less of an issue w/the veto if not for the trade to the Clippers going through like two days later. The return from the Clippers wasn't equal value for Paul either, and that was Stern's explanation for the veto--that they'd be better off keeping him vs. accepting the Lakers/Rockets haul. With that said, I think ppl also forget that the Lakers' deal was going to cost them Gasol and Odom (who ended up getting traded anyway). They weren't just adding CP3 to a contender; that's their 2nd best player and the reigning 6OTY they're losing. I don't see how Kobe, CP3, and Bynum beat OKC that year, nor do I see how they would've beaten the Spurs in the subsequent years w/o Bynum.
@@egp2497 maybe...I don't see how, tho. Those championship squads were WAY over the cap. Even considering that CP3 probably made less than Odom and Gasol combined, I feel like they'd still be over, unless they moved Bynum or completely gutted the rest of the roster and signed like 8 league minimum players. EDIT: looked it up, cap was $58M for 2011-12. Lakers were at $91M payroll the previous season; for the upcoming year they still had Kobe, Bynum, MWP, Steve Blake, Luke Walton, and Derek Fisher under contract for $60M total. Gasol (who actually made more than CP3 by himself) was another $19M, then Odom was like $7M; Paul at $16M would've saved them $10M but they'd still be $18M over.
The most dumbest take this guy said is that the bigs in the past would have been "exposed" by pick and roll 🤦🏾♂️. You also don't take into account that the 60s had a more fast pase game which means more points. Slower pase doesn't mean the players are worse, it means defenses were tougher then. Handchecking and the other defensive schemes brought down scoring and that's why Adam silver had to eliminate defense to promote offense. Adam silver said that himself. He wanted freedom of movement for more offense. Zone defense existed in the 90s, it had restrictions to prevent big men from clogging the paint and also there is a defensive three seconds in this current era to prevent big men from clogging the paint 🤦🏾♂️. You said athleticism has increased but we call a guy from the G-league to win a dunk contest 😂 against pros. The 90s and 2000s had players below 6 feet flying and winning dunk contest 😂. Jalen brown dunked on a 5 foot 3 guy sitting on a chair. That ain't an improvement that's a disgrace. What are the use of defensive techniques if you can't play with contact? The handchecking was removed. Defensive 3 seconds was added and freedom of movement emphasis which made it possible for offball players to move without being bumped or held is a degrade on defense and not an upgrade.
That’s the most “Lebron fan” comment I’ve ever seen. Assuming Lebron would have walked through collecting rings if just not for that damn KD trade. As if The Cavs didn’t have to come back from 3-1 and barely win that series or that Golden State without KD would be playing with a fire to get vengeance from the year prior. Or that OKC wasn’t also stacked with talent that could easily win it all. And even if we assumed all that WAS true, and that LeBron still won the bubble ring, he still be going for 7 at the very very most, but were throwing “8th” in there?
I just wanted to point out that comparing the chances of playing against someone in the Hall of Fame in the NBA today is essentially 0%-players typically achieve Hall of Fame status years after their careers end. So, suggesting that Jokic or other current players face fewer Hall of Famers isn’t really a valid argument. That said, I agree with many points made in the video overall.
for superteams don't forget the barkley hakeem and drexler rockets squad, the gp kobe shaq and malone lakers, hell even the 95 bulls (rodman and a 20ppg scorer in ron harper)
offensive is lower back then because the defense was tougher it wasn’t better in skill but they played way more physical and it was much harder to score it’s called the dead ball era because they played slow and physically so people naturally scored less because it was harder to score
4:06 I wonder if that’s bc Lebron, DWade, and Bosh finished 1st, 3rd, and 4th in MVP votes in the Eastern Conference…So you get 3 of the best 4 players in one conference on the same team and then marvel when they make it to the Finals 4 years in a row… but oh yeah, bc there were other good teams in the league, you can’t say this team was unfairly stacked🤔
Nobody is saying superteams weren't around or that LeBron created the first one....they were always around ORGANICALLY though NATURALLY existing...we didn't have sore losers like LeBron being scared to go against and overcome teams the normal way and and decided to usher in this new era of intentional team hopping throwing your coaches organization and team under the bus for personal gain!!! you were seen as soft when you did that before lebron spinelessly babied his way into the classless integrity lacking filled option we see in today's game now you cant tell these spoiled brats anything not even adam silver
So you’re saying that the 2008 Celtics or Kareem lakers or Moses Malone 76ers or wilt lakers didn’t happen. Thanks for telling nothing but the truth you’re so smart
The Warriors were the first and only Superteam. There was little to no mention of a Superteam before them. It's was the first time four All Stars were all in their prime playing together of that talent level.
for super teams, it is very different since Lebron did it, because it was a players decision together, before that it was from Teams. I do not say and will never says super teams did not exist before the Loser did it, but it was build into teams and adding some players afterwards, not like LeComplainer who build a team with his friends before siging
"whats the difference between u forming a super team or an office making a super team" The fact that to basketball players, basketball should be a competition. Like sure fine make ur superteam im glad for you, you made ur money and got ur ring, but at the end of the day the ring is worth the gold its made from but the respect it garners is gonna be pegged down compared to like a Dirk Nowitzki ring or an MJ ring or a Kobe ring who yes at times didnt have people around them to push them over the top but they saw it as anti competitive to just team up with their star friends to make a team themselves.
There's stats that go beyond measurements. Why is Jordan the GOAT? Because of the anxiety of playing against him. The fear. Players had nightmares about it. Nobody was sh*tting themselves thinking "oh god, I have to play Karl Malone today!" That's why the Bulls beat them twice. It's why, when Jordan retired the first time, EVERYONE breathed out a sigh of relief. That has never happened before. Watch any documentary on basketball and listen to how people talk about that first retirement. The Reggie Miller/Knicks/Spike Lee documentary "Winning Time", when they do the 15 second bit about Jordan retiring, SUPERSTAR players say "that means anyone can win this next year!" Without saying it, they actually said "nobody was beating Jordan in 1994." Kobe never got that. Wilt never did. Jabbar, Magic, or Bird never did. And most importantly, NOBODY has ever said that about LeBron. That's why the GOAT is out of range for him. LeBron is an amazing player, but nobody ever said "it's his year if he wants it." Not when he came in. Not in his prime. And not today, but they were still saying it about Jordan in 1998. When that happens again, and ONLY when it happens again, I'll believe there's a new GOAT.
Those guys in the 50’s 60’s could not hoop, wilt was just so much more bigger and athletic, and basketball wasn’t the same mfs weren’t allowed to do a cross over at one point
Brother sure lebron was not the first to make a super team I guess but u can say most of those teams u mentioned were either getting out of their prime or literally just got lucky or smart and did some trades lebron though was the first to make a super team with everyone in their prime then right after that he did it again and again that is just flat out sad. Instead of sticking to one team he team hopped several times
Bron to Miami, then back to Cleveland was also both teams getting lucky/smart. The 2010 offseason was a major topic of discussion for two years before it actually arrived, mostly bc of Bron's expiring contract but a bunch of other superstars were gonna be available too. The Knicks, remember, hired a new GM in 08 and publicly stated that their goal was to clear up as much cap space as possible to make a run. But no one ever talked about Miami as a possible LeBron destination and I actually didn't understand why. They were going to have the cap space to at least re sign Wade and add another max player, plus we still thought Beasley was gonna be a star. In hindsight I guess people just didn't expect Bron to want to play with Wade since they were "rivals" in terms of best player in the league discussions, but I never understood that, either. There was no existing Cleveland/Miami rivalry, they didn't play the same position, and Bron's willing enough as a passer (although "pass first" is a myth) to share the floor with another scorer. It made so much sense to me, more than New York, even w/o considering Bosh. My point, ultimately, is that Miami needed to do most of the personnel maneuvering that allowed the Heatles to happen. And as for Cleveland in 2014, they literally got lucky. If they don't win the lottery for Wiggins - regarded as the next LeBron at the time - I doubt Bron sees Cleveland as someplace where he could win and he probably stays in Miami.
They sure werent plumbers but I'd argue the skill floor of the league in 60s and 70s is considerably lower to todays league. The best players then would probably be at the top now too given that they can get the same training, nutrition etc. Its similar to the "we done with the 90s" narrative. Just as example, players were in the league bc they needed big bodies to hack shaq, would not be near the league today even if shaq was playing
I most add, I have been watching NBA since 79 and I can tell you the product in the past 8 year is really bad, nobody plays defenses anymore, Stats is the only thing you measure for NBA success, the three point mentality is very boring, the travelling and paming is just crazy, they do not call it anymore. I watch the LA-Minnesaota game and I cannot beleive I saw LeBron foul people 3 times in the same play without calling it and on another 2 plays he travel some much that anywhere in the world a huge argument would come up if you did not call it travel. The league needs to apply their rules so it looks like basketball, not Globetrotters games
Everything was OK until you said that defense is better now, the rules don't even allow good defense anymore, and totally cater to allowing offense unfair advantages. Just look at how the playoffs were so much better this year, as defense was finally allowed and the point totals immediately went down
Lmfao that’s not even remotely true 🤣🤣 what’s good defense? Pushing and bumping someone? Elbowing? You’re just talking out your ass , literally the last 4 finals have about a 4 point differential in team stats. So wtf are you talking about defense is better now ? 🤣🤣 defense got so good teams are scoring 4 less points per game in the finals? 🤣💀 ridiculous hahahahah
Bro thinks old school bigs who grew up with the pick and roll wouldn't be able to defend it, that shows how bad defense is now that the most basic play in basketball now makes offenses greater than ever. Also, you said defense isn't bad offense is just that much better while showing clips of teams giving up wide open layups off of an inbound lol
The Hornets GM had already made trades when they had no owner, and you are going to tell me he had no power? For Goodness sake, today, there are way more fouls that would not be called in years past, this is one of the reasons why offenses are better, the other being the 3pt evolution, which is defently an evolution. But that Jazz team was old af and was going against one of the best defensive teams ever, with both teams playing slow as shit halfcourt sets. And the 04 Lakers went against litterally one of if not the best defensive team ever. Not being able to play zone and still making offenses score less wouldn't be a good thing?????
That first myth weren't really debunked bro lol. We can only guess the motive behind the vetoed trade but "basketball reasons" and pressure from the owners was all to stop the lakers from owning the 1st half of the 2010s. But cos the would have lost Gasol I dont think they would have dominated as much in terms of more rings
Your logic about defense is so flawed. it's hilarious. The Olympic alone showed that Mordern NBA players can handle the style of defense in their very embarrassing gold medal win. If it wasn't for vets like Lebron, Curry, and KD, we weren't getting a medal at all. There is even proof that no effort of defense is shown. They look more athletic because no one is actually trying to stop the opposite team it who can out score the other. Only like 10% of them are actually athletic. The rest are just soft, awkward, and uncoordinated. How do you try dunking on someone, but you, the dunker, end up on his ass and not the guy in a stationary position with nothing to keep him up right from a grown ass man coming at him full speed. Make it make sense...
The fact you bring up some bs ab the wilt video just to get subs. Like i woulda heard you out if i didnt realize its been 4 weeks and still no new cideos 😭😭
Tries to debunk nba conspiracy’s proceeds to cut LeBron slack and create a conspiracy about how other teams had their players in on it 🙄 okay LeBron Stan
Nah, CP3 should’ve been in LA. The fuck do they have a GM for if you completely undermine his job. Stern let the other owners bully him. Completely threw the gm under the damn bus. Owners don’t make trades, GMs do.
Kobe and Paul? Ball dominant players and their "fans" think they wont clash? lol. Either of the two need big men and Lakers wont have a decent big man if that trade happened
Lebron started the superteam. The Celtics with Pierce Garnett and Allen is not a superteam per se since all 3 were not in their prime same goes with the Barkley rockets. While KD's Thunder wirh Russ and Harden is also not a superteam since they were not in their prime maybe except for KD during their time together. Lebron's Heat on the other hand, has 3 stars in their PRIME.
Your take with superteam is terrible. You gave a lot of bad example like imo. But the main difference is Lebron colluded with another 2 in their prine in the middle of their prime in free agency.
"David stern vetoing the trade isnt even close to the truth" 30 seconds later "david stern vetoed the trade as acting owner of the hornets" trash video
Moses Malone was the reigning league MVP when he joined the 76ers as a free agent in 82. The Sixers were the defending East conference champs and Dr. J was league MVP the previous season. I think any discussion about early "superteams" should include this team.
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@Bigedub101 yeah, good call. They were all in their 30s by then but Wilt was reigning MVP and I think Baylor and West were still All-NBA too.
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You didn't debunk the Yao Ming one. Yao himself said it's not true in a Reddit AMA, said he started playing for fun at age 9. This conspiracy theory gives 1979 CCP way too much credit. The country was too broke to win the Sino-Vietnamese war, let alone fund a eugenics program. If there were such a program, why basketball as opposed to a sport that China is actually good at, like ping pong or weightlifting?
Here's a way more likely version: Back then, it wasn't socially normal to stay unmarried past mid-20s. Communist party officials often took it upon themselves to play matchmaker. It was perfectly fine to reject these proposals but many people would accept because they wouldn't be trying to find you a spouse if you weren't struggling to find one yourself. Yao's mum was 31 and 6ft tall. The motivation to match them was probably just on the basis that Yao's dad was single, taller than her and close enough in age.
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"No owner, no trades" Meanwhile the Hornets trade several players, including CP3 himself to the Clippers with no owner. This airplane was flying pretty fine with no pilots, I think...
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Sixers fan here and I have no problem with Derrick white or how he plays. He’s clearly a very impactful player that matters for the Celtics. What I didn’t like last season was him getting all star consideration when he has less of a load than the guys ahead of him. It is significantly easier for a guy who is arguably the 5th option on a given night to be more efficient than first or second options where you get more attention than anyone else. If there was a best role player award, I’d vote for Derrick white but I won’t agree with him being an all star
About the defence:
Are we gonna ignore that Luka said it's 100% harder to score in Euroleage mostly because of the 3 second rule?
The NBA until 2006 had the 3 second rule while also having much better defenders than the Euroleage.
Shouldn't that(+ handchecking)mean that it was harder to score back then?
The euroleague is also played on a smaller court, so getting open is harder there
@@narutopoint True, snd that helps too, but it also has a shorter 3 point line which imo makes up for that
The hand checking is mitigated by the illegal defense rule, which basically eliminates some of the more advanced defensive concepts we see today and basically allowed superstars to find and isolate weaker defenders all game long
@codex9279 , I think you can see one of the best examples of what your talking about by look at the Bulls play the Jazz in the Finals back in the 90s.
Like at least half of possessions end up just being Jordan or Malone iso-ing.
(Also, watching any old games hurts when you see the amount of uncontested 3s the give up; especially when the player just passes out of it despite being wide the hell open.)
That would be a conversation about league comparison.
Really enjoyed your last points on modern defense. People are too quick to use lower scoring games as evidence for better defense in the past, but refuse to acknowledge the increased need for defensive versatility along with the legalizing of zone defense and double teams.
I'm glad I stumble upon your channel, GREAT VIDEO!
I've been saying, it's not that the defenses are bad now it's just how much the offense has evolved.
PLUS no zone until 01-02 season, it was illegal to even leave your man to double-team. Most of the bigs are so darn slow, a switch and it's over. Now most teams got all these 6'8 or taller swiss knives, your Herb Jones/Jonathan Isaac/Vando/JD/All them Thunder youngins
Agreed on all counts except for athleticism being higher and defense better. There has never been shortage of amazing athletes in the league; only change of play styles. You can’t expect that modern offensive systems would work without freedom of movement rules.
exactly this tool in the video said offense is just better but he skips over the fact the rules have made it be like that. No more handchecking, no more bigs camping in the piant, no more tough fouls. The game is the most free its ever been for offensive players.
@MicroWave233 okay but like I'm confused as to why yall don't see why for instance bigs can't do that because everyone couldn't shoot back then even some guards couldn't. Even kobe and ai shot 32 percent. That's not good. Handchecking was never good defense it was because people couldn't stay in front of they man.
@jerrytee4239 they shot 32%, where are you getting these numbers, out your ass? If you referring to the lower FG% of their era then that's because of the DEFENSE. The worse spacing and physical play made it to where you had to learn how to create space and take it the hole while your defender is putting their whole arm on you. Imagine a guy like James harden, or even steph curry trying to drive to the lane with a big waiting in the piant.
@MicroWave233 or they did ? Go look why argue and not know things like that even all time great guards like kobe ai and Jordan weren't great shooters. No they didn't. U and anyone else saying this needs to get your old ass in a time machine and go back to then get with the times. The last 3 years have had the best rated offenses in the literal history of the sport. 7/8 of the highest rated offenses all time were all from last season. 7/9 are from the last 3 years. The Detroit pistons last year offensive rating was 15 points better than prime shaq and kobe lakers, was better than the jazz the bulls blew out by 50 and was better than the pistons the year they won the chip. Defense isn't worse offense is way better lol. They would both be perfectly fine because all the dude would do is foul them because they can't guard them like bruh it's mfs like bill lambeer who get called good defenders year he didn't make a single defensive first or second team or even had a single defensive accolade. Defense is better now because they have to guard players that can score from anywhere. Tf are u talking about they could hide the fact bigs couldn't guard the pick and roll, shoot, or rotate back then good luck with that now. And again I have no idea why u keep trying to justify hand checking like it was ever good defense lol if u have to hold or grab the person u guarding u can't guard them.
@MicroWave233 u have talents in the league now never seen. U have someone like luka who's essentially magic.. but can hit almost 4 3s a damn game... how do u guard that? Double right ... then he averages 9 ast.. Defense isn't worse
Offense is better. Give me a actual game plan of how to guard some of these guys. How do u stop steph. Lebron. Ant man. Sga. Embid lmk lol because if there is a way the league has yet to find it I've seen everything thrown at them. Mfs talking about no defense go look at the all time scoring list and realize in the last 15 years how many of them were active players. This is the most talented period of basketball no disrespect to any era. Any advanced analytics would tell u this.
You defense one is wrong, Luka doncic himself said the Euroleague is harder to score in than the NBA and the euroleague has 90s/2000s rules.
it has 90s to 2000s rules with modern defensive players. Players who know how to guard the pick and roll and that can defend one on one outside of their position, and that can switch. That's the difference.
Great video. Love the perspective you provide on topics that people definitely get wrong.
Big ups Josh Hart! Let us not forget that one time he didn't play every minute in a game, when he dropped 44 on his hometown Wiz. Easily could have dropped 50 but the game wasn't in doubt and he sat down the stretch.
I love the "Stern didnt want the Lakers to be stacked" take because he literally said his dream NBA finals is Lakers vs Lakers because it makes money
Gonna be honest, as a Chinese person, I’ve never heard of that Yao Ming conspiracy theory. But it absolutely would not shock me if it was to be true. The whole “being better than every single other country and everyone who wasn’t Chinese was a bad person” idea, was highly popular back then. And even now, a bunch of old goobers still push for that idea.
I hope it isn’t true. Sounds scary if it is
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That super team argument was flawed because most of the teams u mentioned were references to self built teams
Use your brain
@@ranghawastaken he defined super team as acquiring superstar players through trades and signing then listed teams like the spurs who were self built
Never knew that about the CP3 trade. Makes alot of sense. Wasnt for parity, but fairness to 1/30th of the nba (hornets). Great vid!
Thank you man
I think ppl would've had less of an issue w/the veto if not for the trade to the Clippers going through like two days later. The return from the Clippers wasn't equal value for Paul either, and that was Stern's explanation for the veto--that they'd be better off keeping him vs. accepting the Lakers/Rockets haul.
With that said, I think ppl also forget that the Lakers' deal was going to cost them Gasol and Odom (who ended up getting traded anyway). They weren't just adding CP3 to a contender; that's their 2nd best player and the reigning 6OTY they're losing. I don't see how Kobe, CP3, and Bynum beat OKC that year, nor do I see how they would've beaten the Spurs in the subsequent years w/o Bynum.
@@karimglasgow5518but don’t they free up space to pick up more players?
@@egp2497 maybe...I don't see how, tho. Those championship squads were WAY over the cap. Even considering that CP3 probably made less than Odom and Gasol combined, I feel like they'd still be over, unless they moved Bynum or completely gutted the rest of the roster and signed like 8 league minimum players.
EDIT: looked it up, cap was $58M for 2011-12. Lakers were at $91M payroll the previous season; for the upcoming year they still had Kobe, Bynum, MWP, Steve Blake, Luke Walton, and Derek Fisher under contract for $60M total. Gasol (who actually made more than CP3 by himself) was another $19M, then Odom was like $7M; Paul at $16M would've saved them $10M but they'd still be $18M over.
@@karimglasgow5518 Bro does his research 🧐🤝🏾 a distinguished gentleman
Every day two three drops is a good day. Keep doing what your doing man
Thanks dude
were not gonna get that 100 point wilt video til he hits 100k subs
Idk which will be first😭
Plot twist. This whole video is to promote the mythical wilt video, legend says, it won't come out till gta 6
It’s happening. Maybe after gta 9 not sure
@@ModernTwoThreewe wont even be alive to see gta 7, guess ill catch it in the afterlife
4:12 that narrative is created by doops
The most dumbest take this guy said is that the bigs in the past would have been "exposed" by pick and roll 🤦🏾♂️. You also don't take into account that the 60s had a more fast pase game which means more points. Slower pase doesn't mean the players are worse, it means defenses were tougher then. Handchecking and the other defensive schemes brought down scoring and that's why Adam silver had to eliminate defense to promote offense. Adam silver said that himself. He wanted freedom of movement for more offense. Zone defense existed in the 90s, it had restrictions to prevent big men from clogging the paint and also there is a defensive three seconds in this current era to prevent big men from clogging the paint 🤦🏾♂️. You said athleticism has increased but we call a guy from the G-league to win a dunk contest 😂 against pros. The 90s and 2000s had players below 6 feet flying and winning dunk contest 😂. Jalen brown dunked on a 5 foot 3 guy sitting on a chair. That ain't an improvement that's a disgrace. What are the use of defensive techniques if you can't play with contact? The handchecking was removed. Defensive 3 seconds was added and freedom of movement emphasis which made it possible for offball players to move without being bumped or held is a degrade on defense and not an upgrade.
KD to warriors should've got voted for basketball reasons to lebron should be competing for his 7th or 8th championship and that's just being modest
Yeah kd to the warriors ruined basketball for me i didn’t watch basketball again until the lakers won in 2020
That’s the most “Lebron fan” comment I’ve ever seen. Assuming Lebron would have walked through collecting rings if just not for that damn KD trade. As if The Cavs didn’t have to come back from 3-1 and barely win that series or that Golden State without KD would be playing with a fire to get vengeance from the year prior. Or that OKC wasn’t also stacked with talent that could easily win it all. And even if we assumed all that WAS true, and that LeBron still won the bubble ring, he still be going for 7 at the very very most, but were throwing “8th” in there?
I just wanted to point out that comparing the chances of playing against someone in the Hall of Fame in the NBA today is essentially 0%-players typically achieve Hall of Fame status years after their careers end. So, suggesting that Jokic or other current players face fewer Hall of Famers isn’t really a valid argument. That said, I agree with many points made in the video overall.
for superteams don't forget the barkley hakeem and drexler rockets squad, the gp kobe shaq and malone lakers, hell even the 95 bulls (rodman and a 20ppg scorer in ron harper)
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offensive is lower back then because the defense was tougher it wasn’t better in skill but they played way more physical and it was much harder to score it’s called the dead ball era because they played slow and physically so people naturally scored less because it was harder to score
fouling a lot/ "physical defense"≠ good lockdown defense
It’s called deadball era cuz they just ran iso majority of the time
calling the heat a superteam is funny
So what’s the general managers job if not to generally manage the roster???
No argument
Vince Carter IS the BEST Dunker of all time
4:06 I wonder if that’s bc Lebron, DWade, and Bosh finished 1st, 3rd, and 4th in MVP votes in the Eastern Conference…So you get 3 of the best 4 players in one conference on the same team and then marvel when they make it to the Finals 4 years in a row… but oh yeah, bc there were other good teams in the league, you can’t say this team was unfairly stacked🤔
Nobody is saying superteams weren't around or that LeBron created the first one....they were always around ORGANICALLY though NATURALLY existing...we didn't have sore losers like LeBron being scared to go against and overcome teams the normal way and and decided to usher in this new era of intentional team hopping throwing your coaches organization and team under the bus for personal gain!!! you were seen as soft when you did that before lebron spinelessly babied his way into the classless integrity lacking filled option we see in today's game now you cant tell these spoiled brats anything not even adam silver
So you’re saying that the 2008 Celtics or Kareem lakers or Moses Malone 76ers or wilt lakers didn’t happen. Thanks for telling nothing but the truth you’re so smart
The Warriors were the first and only Superteam. There was little to no mention of a Superteam before them. It's was the first time four All Stars were all in their prime playing together of that talent level.
Basketball conspiracy theorists and narrative creators must be clenching their fist (like Arthur) as this video debunks their bold claims
you realize that the defensive rating is points allowed per 100 possessions so those are the top 9 worst defensive teams ever
I subscribed for a wilt 100 point video 👀👀
I'm still waiting.
Did Paul Pierce fake an injury to take a dump? Please debunk that 😂
No views in 0.13 secs. Bro fell off hard
not funny
Ik smh
Ain't no fckn way you dubbed Yao as the "lab rat" 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
was just watching the video until i saw lebron jump over someone to catch an alley oop
for super teams, it is very different since Lebron did it, because it was a players decision together, before that it was from Teams. I do not say and will never says super teams did not exist before the Loser did it, but it was build into teams and adding some players afterwards, not like LeComplainer who build a team with his friends before siging
"whats the difference between u forming a super team or an office making a super team" The fact that to basketball players, basketball should be a competition. Like sure fine make ur superteam im glad for you, you made ur money and got ur ring, but at the end of the day the ring is worth the gold its made from but the respect it garners is gonna be pegged down compared to like a Dirk Nowitzki ring or an MJ ring or a Kobe ring who yes at times didnt have people around them to push them over the top but they saw it as anti competitive to just team up with their star friends to make a team themselves.
Ay my boy, found a channel called "modern jam." Someone is trying to jack your old brand
Was wondering if I was going insane since neither channel addressed it
5 prime Draymond Green a night 💀
Big wilt fan, waiting for ur vid man 🫡
There's stats that go beyond measurements. Why is Jordan the GOAT? Because of the anxiety of playing against him. The fear. Players had nightmares about it. Nobody was sh*tting themselves thinking "oh god, I have to play Karl Malone today!" That's why the Bulls beat them twice. It's why, when Jordan retired the first time, EVERYONE breathed out a sigh of relief. That has never happened before. Watch any documentary on basketball and listen to how people talk about that first retirement. The Reggie Miller/Knicks/Spike Lee documentary "Winning Time", when they do the 15 second bit about Jordan retiring, SUPERSTAR players say "that means anyone can win this next year!" Without saying it, they actually said "nobody was beating Jordan in 1994." Kobe never got that. Wilt never did. Jabbar, Magic, or Bird never did. And most importantly, NOBODY has ever said that about LeBron. That's why the GOAT is out of range for him. LeBron is an amazing player, but nobody ever said "it's his year if he wants it." Not when he came in. Not in his prime. And not today, but they were still saying it about Jordan in 1998. When that happens again, and ONLY when it happens again, I'll believe there's a new GOAT.
Those guys in the 50’s 60’s could not hoop, wilt was just so much more bigger and athletic, and basketball wasn’t the same mfs weren’t allowed to do a cross over at one point
this whole video screams 0 ball knowledge
No the Celtics Big 3 was formed not in 2010 but the summer of 2007...SMH...I know I was in my mid-twenties and I'm from Boston...
Brother sure lebron was not the first to make a super team I guess but u can say most of those teams u mentioned were either getting out of their prime or literally just got lucky or smart and did some trades lebron though was the first to make a super team with everyone in their prime then right after that he did it again and again that is just flat out sad. Instead of sticking to one team he team hopped several times
Bron to Miami, then back to Cleveland was also both teams getting lucky/smart. The 2010 offseason was a major topic of discussion for two years before it actually arrived, mostly bc of Bron's expiring contract but a bunch of other superstars were gonna be available too. The Knicks, remember, hired a new GM in 08 and publicly stated that their goal was to clear up as much cap space as possible to make a run.
But no one ever talked about Miami as a possible LeBron destination and I actually didn't understand why. They were going to have the cap space to at least re sign Wade and add another max player, plus we still thought Beasley was gonna be a star.
In hindsight I guess people just didn't expect Bron to want to play with Wade since they were "rivals" in terms of best player in the league discussions, but I never understood that, either. There was no existing Cleveland/Miami rivalry, they didn't play the same position, and Bron's willing enough as a passer (although "pass first" is a myth) to share the floor with another scorer. It made so much sense to me, more than New York, even w/o considering Bosh. My point, ultimately, is that Miami needed to do most of the personnel maneuvering that allowed the Heatles to happen. And as for Cleveland in 2014, they literally got lucky. If they don't win the lottery for Wiggins - regarded as the next LeBron at the time - I doubt Bron sees Cleveland as someplace where he could win and he probably stays in Miami.
stern still stopped the trade, why he ain’t let go through, it’s not the hornets fault they don’t got an owner
5 prime draymond greens a night😂😂😂😂
They sure werent plumbers but I'd argue the skill floor of the league in 60s and 70s is considerably lower to todays league. The best players then would probably be at the top now too given that they can get the same training, nutrition etc. Its similar to the "we done with the 90s" narrative. Just as example, players were in the league bc they needed big bodies to hack shaq, would not be near the league today even if shaq was playing
Bro stop edging us and drop the wilt chamberlain vid 😭
Fun Fact: the viewer that clicked on the video is still watching right now
No I paused it to goon
I most add, I have been watching NBA since 79 and I can tell you the product in the past 8 year is really bad, nobody plays defenses anymore, Stats is the only thing you measure for NBA success, the three point mentality is very boring, the travelling and paming is just crazy, they do not call it anymore. I watch the LA-Minnesaota game and I cannot beleive I saw LeBron foul people 3 times in the same play without calling it and on another 2 plays he travel some much that anywhere in the world a huge argument would come up if you did not call it travel. The league needs to apply their rules so it looks like basketball, not Globetrotters games
I’ll sub when the wilt video comes out
Good vid but just drop the wilt one alr
Everything was OK until you said that defense is better now, the rules don't even allow good defense anymore, and totally cater to allowing offense unfair advantages. Just look at how the playoffs were so much better this year, as defense was finally allowed and the point totals immediately went down
Lmfao that’s not even remotely true 🤣🤣 what’s good defense? Pushing and bumping someone? Elbowing?
You’re just talking out your ass , literally the last 4 finals have about a 4 point differential in team stats. So wtf are you talking about defense is better now ? 🤣🤣 defense got so good teams are scoring 4 less points per game in the finals? 🤣💀 ridiculous hahahahah
Bro thinks old school bigs who grew up with the pick and roll wouldn't be able to defend it, that shows how bad defense is now that the most basic play in basketball now makes offenses greater than ever. Also, you said defense isn't bad offense is just that much better while showing clips of teams giving up wide open layups off of an inbound lol
The Hornets GM had already made trades when they had no owner, and you are going to tell me he had no power?
For Goodness sake, today, there are way more fouls that would not be called in years past, this is one of the reasons why offenses are better, the other being the 3pt evolution, which is defently an evolution. But that Jazz team was old af and was going against one of the best defensive teams ever, with both teams playing slow as shit halfcourt sets. And the 04 Lakers went against litterally one of if not the best defensive team ever.
Not being able to play zone and still making offenses score less wouldn't be a good thing?????
that wilt video almost coulda been in this lmao
It’s well over an hour long
@@ModernTwoThree nah i was talking about how it’s an nba myth at this point
Kobe would have definitely got 6 or more.
What I took away from this is that Lebron is the goat for winning in multiple organizations and multiple coaches
That first myth weren't really debunked bro lol. We can only guess the motive behind the vetoed trade but "basketball reasons" and pressure from the owners was all to stop the lakers from owning the 1st half of the 2010s. But cos the would have lost Gasol I dont think they would have dominated as much in terms of more rings
5:07 never were they a super team🤦🏾♂️
Drose mvp, Noah who was 4th in ranking for mvp, and pau gasol
Also jimmy butler but he wasnt as good as now
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Great vid thank u
Thanks bro
Vince Carter never won he spend the last 10 years of his career on terrible teams
How the hell does an NBA team have no owner 😂wtf how does that happen so who paid the guy that was the last owner
In 21 1/2 minutes actually, smh my head, bro is clickbaiting now
jk
My bad
Your logic about defense is so flawed. it's hilarious. The Olympic alone showed that Mordern NBA players can handle the style of defense in their very embarrassing gold medal win. If it wasn't for vets like Lebron, Curry, and KD, we weren't getting a medal at all. There is even proof that no effort of defense is shown. They look more athletic because no one is actually trying to stop the opposite team it who can out score the other. Only like 10% of them are actually athletic. The rest are just soft, awkward, and uncoordinated. How do you try dunking on someone, but you, the dunker, end up on his ass and not the guy in a stationary position with nothing to keep him up right from a grown ass man coming at him full speed. Make it make sense...
You’ve never played basketball in your life talking like this lmfaoo
damn early and another W vid
Thanks dude
bro i miss you bro
Where you go bro? 😢
didnt debunk the veto myth at all lmao, cp3 literally got traded 2 days later. if what you said was true paul wouldn't have been traded at all
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Welcome
The fact you bring up some bs ab the wilt video just to get subs. Like i woulda heard you out if i didnt realize its been 4 weeks and still no new cideos 😭😭
Tries to debunk nba conspiracy’s proceeds to cut LeBron slack and create a conspiracy about how other teams had their players in on it 🙄 okay LeBron Stan
Nah, CP3 should’ve been in LA. The fuck do they have a GM for if you completely undermine his job. Stern let the other owners bully him. Completely threw the gm under the damn bus. Owners don’t make trades, GMs do.
Kobe and Paul? Ball dominant players and their "fans" think they wont clash? lol. Either of the two need big men and Lakers wont have a decent big man if that trade happened
Lebron started the superteam. The Celtics with Pierce Garnett and Allen is not a superteam per se since all 3 were not in their prime same goes with the Barkley rockets. While KD's Thunder wirh Russ and Harden is also not a superteam since they were not in their prime maybe except for KD during their time together.
Lebron's Heat on the other hand, has 3 stars in their PRIME.
There ain’t no wilt video
Naw the super team argument for a lot of those is weak. Super teams need 3 Superstars. No shot you're saying the DRose team was a super team.
Your take with superteam is terrible. You gave a lot of bad example like imo.
But the main difference is Lebron colluded with another 2 in their prine in the middle of their prime in free agency.
You didn't really do much debunking
You debunked like 3 theories
"David stern vetoing the trade isnt even close to the truth" 30 seconds later "david stern vetoed the trade as acting owner of the hornets" trash video
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Lmao e
when is the video coming out
you off on more than half of these get this outta here terrible
It’s not that LeBron “created the first super team”, he popularized players colluding together to build teams.
He didn’t. That would be Oscar Robinson lol.
Durant Warriors ? TF is wrong with you ?
Alot of these arent even myths bro