CHOOSING AN OVERLAND TRUCK - Big Truck VS Little Truck - Tacoma vs F-250 Tremor
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In this video, I'm simply talking about trucks - big trucks, little trucks, and some things to consider when thinking about getting one. In the context of off-roading, overlanding, camping, etc, big trucks aren't always better, and small trucks aren't always better. Specifically I'll compare an overland built Toyota Tacoma to an overland built Ford F250 Tremor Superduty. The Tacoma and the Tremor are both great trucks.
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0:00 Intro
3:00 What about an F150 size?
4:54 Aftermarket support?
5:49 SIZE - Pros and cons
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18:56 CAPABILITY
20:36 AMENITIES
22:22 COST
25:25 Summary
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"Don't go into debt". Best advice you've ever given.
I always believed debt is a tool, and like any tool I can use it to fuck myself up irrevocably.
Where’s the fun in that? You only live once… burn some cash… buy the dream truck!
@@zfilmmaker aint this exactly why you shouldnt go into debt
@@TacticalTirpitzle sure, save and save but remember you can’t take any of it with you to the grave. Might as well live a little.
@@zfilmmaker 🙌🏽🙌🏽
What really sold me on the HD platform was mileage and range. Especially if you're running a Cummins, you can put an aux tank in the spare tire well and get 1,000 miles between fill-ups. That's incredible peace of mind if you get lost somewhere or need to backtrack.
You can get double that with a diesel 4 cylinder, long range tank hilux, prado or lc200. Or carry a portable 200 litre fuel tank in back of truck.
Yeah also god forbid if something brakes down on the trail if you have a old school diesel especially a Cummins field repairs are super easy I’ve got a 98 2500 Cummins as a overlanding rig and since I’m coming from a Cummins background I can repair anything with the engine my self, I have a onboard belt driven air compressor to run tools and not have to worry about batteries with quick disconnect fitting on the bumpers for air tools I absolutely love the truck sadly aftermarket support was a bit of a issue so most of my parts were custom made by a local company here in NC overhead rack tire holder on the back I didn’t have to but I wanted the bumpers made exactly how I want em so they are custom too
90% of the small "overland" trucks (Tacoma, Colorado, Ranger, Jeeps etc.) I have run across seem completely overloaded. Some of the front bumpers I have seen on the small trucks/jeeps likely make up a quarter of the trucks payload capacity. Then add bed racks, roof racks, RTT, awnings, refrigerators, and deck systems which can easily hit the 800-1000 pound mark without any gear or passengers. They look cool and I am sure they are absolutely wonderful parked at the campsite but I can't imagine how they drive let alone the wear and tear on all the components. If you have a lot of equipment, I think the big truck is the answer.
That's why I really like the first-gen Tundra, almost exactly the same size as a current Tacoma, but with a better payload and more torque. probably cheaper than the old tacoma's at this point too.
Depends on the truck. A Ranger has a higher payload than several full sizes, even the new Tundra.
Hmm Chevy single cab long bed with a 3' lift on 33 wheels? How would that fair?
@@MarkPharaoh No they don't lmao.
Either way, @MrRplo is also heavily overestimating the load rating of large trucks. A lot of the larger trucks usually only have an extra 100-200 pounds of extra load rating than their smaller model brethren. However when you take into account that larger trucks = larger bumpers, plates, bed racks, etc etc, you're still pretty much breaking even. Larger trucks are really only worth it for their higher tow rating. Otherwise you're just hauling a bigger vehicle that's less capable on narrower trails.
@@north_borne uh, yes they do. Read a damn spec sheet once in a while.
I worked at a Ford dealership a few years ago and I can confirm those cooled seats are one of the best features ever put into a vehicle.
Hope YT isn't downgrading your reach based off of your chosen charity. I think its super awesome what you guys are doing with the charity.
That's because the chosen charity is often a dog whistle for the Q crowd.
@@adampolselli597 I'm out of the loop, what's the Q crowd?
tripping on that as well. super sus
What are the chosen charities?
@@adampolselli597 So you don't support a charity helping sex trafficking victims? Interesting
I bought a GX460 specifically because it was midsize and v8. There are a lot of trails and places here that a full size truck just won't fit
Smart decision. Wish the 4Runners came with that V8.
Same reason I bought a 1st Gen tundra 👍🏻👍🏻
I bought a 2021 GX460 for the trails of Colorado. Downside is I need a lift and tires but for the money it’s really not a bad deal. Very comfortable, quiet and quite capable. The GX460 checked a lot of boxes. No such thing as a perfect off road vehicle everything has its pros and cons.
@@offroadkings379 they did
Had a GX460. It’s a pig, underpowered and short on space. You can’t put much larger tires on it either-not without a lot of work. I wanted to like it, but it was uncomfortable, slow and not very capable. Better rigs out there IMO.
Here’s my input. Measure your garage or parking spot, make sure your vehicle fits.
If you have a "parking spot" you probably shouldn't be buying an F250
That was a great unbiased perspective!
Outstanding explanation, seamless speech (without any garbage words), straight to the point! Thank you sir!
I have a 2019 Tacoma, It gets me places that a large truck can't. This isn't a work truck, this is a toy. It really depends on what you are looking for but considering I primarily take this out of the weekend to go camping, and use it as a daily driver during the week, I went with the Tacoma.
Both great trucks, they have their pros and cons but gotta give a little to the f250.
Of course. American and built Ford tough 💪🏾
His is mean lookin too
@@callofduty732 it’s a brute 😎 🇺🇸🇺🇸
I’m a small person at 5’7” 165 lbs and I find the Tacoma cabin and seats to be on the small side
i'm 6"0 200 pounds and my 2021 Tacoma TRD OR works for me.
I'm 6' 10" 275 and I fit fine.
I’m 5’9 I find it good for 2 people on long trips with camping gear etc.
The Tacoma gets really small with 2 people and a dog
@@Lordofthepoors my thinking goes, if I’m gonna buy a truck, I might as well spend the extra $5,000 to get half ton truck. Even though running costs might be around 10-15% more expensive.
Love that you live in the mountains-much of the things you test and use are suited for your environment
Mike have you ever thought about a podcast? I know you’re super busy but a podcast about preppings, trucks, overlanding, gear etc would be super cool. Maybe even jump on a Jack Carr episode of his Danger close podcast.
Great comparison. I’m always debating which I’m going to go with.
Mike thank you for this video, I’m been going crazy over this, I’ve been looking for the ideal truck, and you have answered a lot questions! And that “don’t go into debt” advice, best one yet!
Big truck all day everyday. Dirtbikes, camping gear, trailer
We are strong believers in 'use enough truck'.
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A versatile platform can tow as well as carry.
2003, for our overland, we converted a 1997 Ford CF8000 commercial truck to our concept of an ExpeditionVehicle.
For us, the safety and convenience of everything inside, with nothing to set-up at camp, out-weighs the reduction in maneuverability.
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A big plus to a heavier rig:
* bashing through branches
If a branch is too chunky, we use the Craftsman 20v chain-saw... toted inside one of our many compartments.
Nice video. Got a 4Runner for offroading in CO. It is similar to the Tacoma in size and I can now say after 4 years that there is no way a full size pickup could even begin to go on the trails I have taken. My pin-striping is already severe. But the 4Runner had a tough time pulling a camping trailer in the mtns. You can’t have it all in cars/trucks!
Exactly. I sold my Chevy trailboss.. Bought a 5th gen 4 runner. I wouldn’t go back. Yes it’s nice to have a bed and sometimes a little more room. But I couldn’t do jack with that massive truck.
I was rolling a Tundra for 8years. Loved it, but Now I moved to a HD RAM 2500. With a AEV Prospector CLONE. I love the Big boys..
Well done, unbiased comparison.
Should do a comparison of the Tacoma and the ranger
Would love to see more about Ashley's Rav4 build and would like to see you guys take it out and see how it handles etc!
Dont forget that general maintenance for HD trucks will be at least 2-3X of a 1/4 ton sized vehicle. My 6.7L takes almost 14qts of oil vs. a 4 cylinder is about 5qts.
one of the best tear down vids in a while.. right on
I love the Colorado hummingbirds flying by... you're def in CO! :)
You’re right, they’re both great! I’ll take one of each please! 👍
Good vid! Size and length matters in tighter stuff. My Raptor actually fits a lot of places you might be surprised but I'm COVERED in pinstripes. And there are places I just won't fit. Usually far enough down the trail that you then have to go through the methodical and stressful exercise of backing out far enough to find a go around or turn around. That Tremor isn't as wide, but when it comes to turning around *OR* getting through a tight bend with rocks/trees on either side that length is what kills you.
Ah just send her bud
Love my midsize 2023 Frontier!!! This thing will hit many trails and lakes!
Little Truck? One of the most impressing experiences for me was, when I finally made it to the US, that a Suburban even in a town considered European style like Boston, appeared to be of rather reasonable size, while where I come from it is a freaking tank we take bets when they get stuck and where.
Good info mike! Excited for my new tundra build. We will have to see how it does out here in CO
Awhhh fix the tacos taillight already 🤣 love your videos! My husband and I watch your videos with our 10 month old son and he always gets so excited because he's been watching them with us his whole little life!
Good info! I'm new to this "world" of Overlanding. Need to learn as much as I can any other videos out there that I can learn from send'em my way..thanks
Thanks for the video nice work be blessed
Really really interesting content. Really helpful as I am on the market for a truck or SUV as well
Give me a full sized truck for anything. I honestly don’t understand why Tacomas are so loved since they have zero cargo or passenger room
Look at resale values and longevity, probably part of the reason Tacoma’s are so loved. Just got a Tacoma and I do love a full size truck so when I have a paid off house I’ll probably go back to at least an F150 if not an F250. Hunting elk and mule deer in Montana though there are some mountain trails we got up/through in a Tacoma that I really doubt we’re possible for an F250.
They fit in a garage 👍🏻
Smoother ride and better 4 wheeling capability is why people like them.
reliable, look f ing good, fit anywhere, resale...
@@jeremyhenning6831f150 rides much better than a tacoma.
Knew that Tremor was big but it looks massive next to your built out Tacoma
Those 39s make it look like a house
The best choice for 1/2 ton pickups as far as overland goes is the tundra(coming from an f150 owner) far more appropriate aftermarket options IMO
The tundra is the most underrated platform I swear
The F150 has the available payload-package, which allows you to carry all of the things that people completely overload their Tacoma's with.
@@geographyinaction7814good luck finding one
Thanks for the help
You might have to order it as they aren't stocked much, but the F-150 crew cab does have a 6.5' bed available.
I have a fairly modded Frontier and I love it! But I would also love more space. Only catch is, some of the trails I've been on have been tight for my mid-size truck so I couldn't fathom what it would be like in a full size truck....if I could even go on some of those trails. Conundrums!
Love the tremor!!! I use to be a small truck person. The older I get the more the big trucks appeal to me!!
Inspired me to try and make my 2500 Duramax into an Over lander. Great content. You have helped me with gear, clothing, and vehicle purchases and considerations. Vertex, Diamondback, Holster, Dometic, Jackery thanks again
blue collar dad here with kid$ still on the payroll. Tacoma FTW. Great review.👍
Where are you at in Colorado? Would love to see these beasts on the trails man! Got a 2019 Grand Cherokee Summit that I'm building out right now!
How about a solid comparison of their trail performance with the different size and weights
I googled the f250 tremor….. well, now I’m buying one of those instead of the gmc Denali truck I was looking at.
I have no budget. By that I mean I have no money to buy/build such a rig. 😉 The Ford F150 hybrid with that 7.2 kw generator option is an interesting alternative for overlanding/bugout.
Champagne taste on a beer budget....story of my life ha
I’ve watched you channel off and on for a long time but because that give away and the charity choice I subscribed
Appreciate it!
THANKS!! Just the video I was looking for; I’m debating between the new Bronco (Badlands/Sasquatch) or new F150 - Tremor and adding 35” or 37” and a winch. Such a tough decision, mostly due to length of the 150 and getting into tight trails here in California??? But the large size with GoFast camper top is really desirable…while the go anywhere Bronco is also super desirable….
Whatd you end up getting?
My budget is why my plan is to win your big truck!
Great Video! Good discussion. For the Super Duty, the advantage of the the gasoline engine over the diesel is the Diesel engine is heavy and will reduce your payload.
Two things i can think of that would be pros of diesel is the torque for large tires and an extended tank for more range
Thank you! Been wanting to build my F150 into an overlanding capable rig, but not only can I not find a lot of useful resources for it, nobody really breaks down the pros and cons by size. This was perfect thank you.
Sounds like an idea I can get behind. I have been building my F150 for overlanding and its been an amazing ride.
How’s it coming? I have an F150 and the lack of aftermarket support sucks. I really like the high clearance rear bumpers for the tacomas. The f150’s mostly have Baja parts available.
What are your thoughts on the Toyota Tundra TRD Pro?
Great synopsis! I'm moving from a Jeep to a Power Wagon, and couldn't agree more with all of your points. Thanks!
Still enjoying the truck?
@@alextrainor2552 The Power Wagon? Absolutely. Love having a full-size rig again, and having a truck bed for camping is so much more convenient/capable for me.
@@mammothwagon a lot better than the jeep? Im having a hard time letting go of my jeep personally but the truck seems way better.
@@alextrainor2552 Each has their pros and cons, for sure! We had our 2nd child and I realized the Jeep's interior/storage are just way too small for 4 people (+camping gear/luggage/whateer). The Power Wagon has the same off-road tech my Jeep had (front/rear lockers, electronic disconnection sway-bar), but horrid approach/departure angles b/c it's so big. BUT, for where and how I off-road, I never needed those angles to begin with!
@@mammothwagon silly question but do you feel the cummins would be a better or worse option for offroading?
Hey Mike, did u need to recalibrate gauges and sensors with tire upgrade? And how much trimming was required to fit 39's? Thanks!
Looks like he did the fab fours 40s no lift fender system to fit those tires.
Was torn between a Tacoma and a tundra when I was looking into trucks. Ended up going with a Tundra for the room.
Great comparison though!
Tundra is just as reliable as a Tacoma with tons of aftermarket support, but man the gas mileage is just as bad or even worst then a 1 ton
I have right in the middle, a 14' FX4 Tremor 👍👍
That Tremor looks amazing
The lease on my Tacoma is up in March and I was looking at an F-250. This video made me consider buying out the lease and turning the Tacoma into an overland.
1st gen Tundra Double Cab hits the sweet spot of size, power and affordability. 05-06 with the extra power.
Tundra drives like ass and safety ratings are terrible. Glad he did f250 instead
Literally what I was going to say. If Toyota would put a small v8 in the Tacoma it’d be perfect
@@travismoseley2436 they did its just called a tundra 1st gen ;-) 3rd gen tacomas drive like crap. Used the money saved for mods.
Great video, I prefer the Tacoma for many reasons.
Really good cause giving away the f-250 don't understand why wouldn't get the many views on the video, well it's RUclips .
What kind of suspension do you have on your Tacoma?
California truck registration costs regulated me to go with a Tacoma mid sizer, a full size pickup would've been too expensive for me.
California has so much traffic that you’re better off with a mid size
Awesome video. So if you had to pick one……?
The only question I have is which one are you currently enjoying more?
I would love to know what the weight of both trucks with all of the gear
I have an old dodge and would love to make it a off road! I've always liked the bigger trucks. I'm just getting into all this, but I prefer the bigger trucks. It pulls the off road camper really well with the weight of what I have because it's used for living in to see everything I can see. I'm a older woman that's got the time to do what I've always wanted to do.
Agreed!
We full-time live-aboard since 2003.
We often house-sit, but we notice a stand-still house seems... disconnected from the outside.
I'm on the western slope of Colorado, in your opinion is an HD truck too wide for passes like the Alpine Loop?
Ive had jeeps and half tons for camping, hunting, overland and work. Most important thing is to get enough truck for your purpose. Obviously full size or heavy duty trucks will work harder and pull more but also its easier to fit your stuff inside instead of strapped all over roof sides and hitch. Most jeeps tacomas and such i see these days are taller than my super duty with 37s. Got to have roof racks hitch carriers and everything when my truck looks like a typical superduty with a camper shell i climb in the bed go to sleep instead of fooling with roof racks and everything else.
Super helpful
do you not do any fire arms EDC videos anymore? love these overland videos
Can you go more into why you chose the 7.3L over the 6.7L power stroke? I can't imagine why its better but I'm interested in your take!
I believe he wanted to get the 6.7L but was in a rush to get his hand on a F250 asap to meet the build deadline. This 7.3L Tremor was the only one available at that time so he went with it. He explained in the first build video.
Reasons not to get a 6.7 for overlanding:
1.Availability of ULSD fuel outside of the US. Mexico south basically unavailable.
3. Initial cost, it's a $8k option.
4. DEF.
5. Lowers the payload significantly.
6. Repair / maintenance cost.
7. Unless your hauling over 10k lbs, the fuel savings / power benefit is marginal.
8. Tow capacity is only 3,000lbs higher in 4x4 vs 7.3 gas.
Idling down rocky mountain trails with a modern diesel will have problems. That and the extra weight up front hurts capability and suspension components wear faster. Gas is better offroad, Idling and for fixing if you have problems in the wilderness.
Hey! Love your videos. Working on outfitting my Forester for some overlanding. Any plans to do more videos on your Forester since it's such a common vehicle in CO.
Some good tires and a decent suspension go very, very far. Lots of stuff is not needed for many people.
started off wheeling and camping out of a 97 tacoma and it worked just fine taking me all over Tellico and numerous OHV parks and National Forests along the east coast. Now I have a Crew Max Tundra that I wheel and overland. I'll gladly take my tundra anywhere i took the Tacoma and smile when people tell me Im too big for the trail. After going to a full size truck coming from a smaller truck like a Tacoma, I'll never go smaller again.
Love your comment brother.. I too wheel in a full size Tundra. I just recently went to the Ozark national Forest with some jeep guys. I went over the same boulders they did with no problems. I love the power, comfort, and capability of the Tundra.. The Tundra is definitely a solid truck.
@@Musldup especially once you add dual air lockers and some 5.29s 😁.
@@Rhouzv , I'm wanting to go the E lockers route.
2nd gen Frontier with a VK suspension and engine swap and you’re gold.
What engine would you swap into a Frontier?
@@jonathin5852 VK56 from the Titan. Essentially bolts right into the engine bay of the frontier with little to no modification outside of the wiring harness.
@@jaypalisoc2857 I've dreamt of replacing my 4 cylinder Frontier with a v8. Maybe someday I'll swap in a VK...
Love my Tacoma, but I wish the back seat wasn't so tiny
Same, family of 4 here - It gets tough!
That’s why I got rid of mine. I do miss it though
Tacoma: access cab, no back seat, love it.
@@guntypesnlifegripes what did you trade for
@@davidb9323 2500 Cummins. Plus my Tacoma was a little overlandey when in was in Alaska, but since I moved to Texas it’s to hot for all that
Can you make a velcro clinger holster for a sig 365 xl??
Smaller trucks for off-roading. Bigger trucks for hauling.
Which wrap is that on the Tremor!?
That’s why you get a full size obs bronco
As a big guy (6'3" 230lbs) I can't fit in the smaller Tacoma type trucks. I need the F150 or bigger type of truck to fit comfortably
Where do you folks get that?
I'm 6'10" - 275lbs. Just 3 weeks ago I drove my 2019 TRD offroad Tacoma from the Tampa FL area to Telluride Colorado area. Basically 3 - 10 hours days each way and nearly 5000 miles total. No issues!
I guess I'm not as soft as many people?
@@GATORADDAM Same, I’m 6’3, 240 and fit fine lol
Trucks back prior to the 2000's werent that big. Tacomas are as big as full sizes back then. I wonder if people had issues of not fitting into all those smaller trucks back in the day?
@@Lobo1604
Good point.
I parked my 2019 Tacoma next to a 15 year old Tundra and they were practically the same size.
You’re only 6’3” bud…repax
Wich one would you pick to drive 4000 miles straight on road? In term of confort.
F250 hands down
How many times have you not been able to do a narrow trail with the F250?
Like had it been a lot of times or only once or twice??
i think it depends where you live. im in az so big trucks arent a problem. maybe in colorado they are with the seemingly small mountain trails -- but ive never been to begin with
@@ChristianPlaysVG yeah, I live on the southeast and it's similar if not more tight on the trails than Colorado
I’m not sure about the newer f250 but have had plenty of trouble in the past with them. Tacoma never breaks down always reliable.
its a toyota that why :)
So if you could only buy one truck would it be a f250 or a tundra?
As much as I like the Tacoma they are too small inside. I loved my Tundra, but I no longer own it. I'm probably going to grab a used F150 or F250 double cab.
I want a 92 F350 Crew Cab. Best for old school style size and 4x4 power!
@@BigfootUnibrowMan I had an 04 f350 lariat turbo diesel. I miss it. It was a great truck with massive power.
yep. my kid is 6'2" and doesn't fit front or back taco with passengers. such an awesome platform tho
@@kronos880 yep. Very capable, but very small inside.
@@kronos880 I am 6'3 and could easily fit in the Tacoma. Perhaps I have a shorter torso than he does but I had plenty of leg room.
What do you think about the new Ford Bronco?
Interestingly, the cabin size of the F150, F250 and F350 is exactly the same.
The F150 is also available since 2020 (or 19) with
Double cab + 8 ft bed
Super crew + 6.5 bed
An advantage over the competition since I'm 6'7 and can't sleep in shorter truck beds than 6.5 ft. ...so it's either an F150 or F250 for me.
In a Tacoma no one can sit behind me *sigh* ...would love to buy a Tacoma but it won't work for my size.
Team Gladiator here 🤘🏼
The big, thirsty truck is not optimal for the SHTF, cause it demands more fuel.
You really took a shit on the Tacoma, glad you didn’t have the frontier up here
Fyi, F150s also come in 6.5 bed. Same footprint as F250
Non car people sleep on toyotas, but people who actually use Toyotas for off roading love not only the reliability compared to their counterparts especially the ease of repair, but the fact there are so many mods out there
I think the suv does way better off road with storage and weight balance than a pickup.
Big trucks are so heavy before any gear. They get difficult to stay unstuck
Definitely gonna enter for a great cause but imagine I won ..lmao great video mike keep it up 👌🏾
This question has to do with location, location, location. On the east coast the smaller truck is the winner cause most off-road trails start out wide and become narrower. Out west that’s not so much the cause especially in Colorado to the Pacific Northwest. Last year I met friends in Maine for a 4x4 mountainous adventure, they all had Tundras and I brought my F550 with super singles. That was such a stupid idea...I ended up having to reverse a few miles because the trail became to narrow and there was nowhere to turn around due to rocks. You think I’d learn a lesson... drove my F350 Tremor down to TN, the same thing happened except I was able to cut a few trees down to turn around. I need a souped up Tundra like Mike’s for these kinds of trips.
Even out west I'd say go with the smaller truck if offroading is your aim. Here in Utah I've seen a lot of hd trucks stuck in the sand, only to get yanked out by a smaller truck that has the float. Like the guy says in the video, in general, the lighter the better. I'd say the only reason to get a heavy duty truck for offroading is if you absolutely need the towing capacity.
@@christopherrowley7506 people who get stuck are 99% inexperienced. I off-road my F550 all the time and it’s a very heavy truck with MRAP singles. I’ve never gotten stuck or needed a tow. Granted I do have CTIS which lets me air down pretty low… makes a massive difference! Anyone can do the same with beadlocks and a portable compressor like the one from ARB.
@@zfilmmaker yeah true, experience and some recovery gear should keep you safe most the time. But even still, if you are wanting to buy a truck for offroading--and you don't need the towing capacity--there is no reason to get a super duty. Now if you already have a super duty and want to go offroading, yeah you definitely can. I guess the premise of my statement is in the context of this video which is: which should you buy specifically to go offroading. And considering the price difference, I'd say unless you are independently wealthy, or you are planning on making money with the super duty, you shouldn't be told you need it to go offroading (because you certainly don't and indeed is likely to be less capable than a cheaper lighter vehicle).
@@christopherrowley7506 it’s not advise it’s preference. Everything comes down to money. Nobody is going to watch this video and believe they need this or that to go off road. LLOD is a gear review channel, so you’re going to see the coolest ways to do whatever. You can buy a used truck, you could even go into a junk yard and find a jalopy still running, lift it and put bigger off road tires to accomplish what you want. Saying don’t buy this or that because it’s not in your budget is not sound advice. I don’t tow much these days but I am a Superduty man through and through…I’m going to always have new trucks because I like them, can afford them and I love modding them into what I want with the latest parts hence why I watch Mike.
@@zfilmmaker if you like doing it, that's fine, I don't intend to offend your preferences. Super duty trucks are pretty sweet. But my point remains that if someone is interested in offroad capability, a lightweight truck will do better in most circumstances than a heavier truck. Of course heavier trucks can do just fine too with the proper setup. The fact that lighter trucks tend to be a lot cheaper is something I brought up as icing on the cake, and many people are interested in bang for buck. If you love super duty trucks, then by all means, do as you please.