The problem with T17 Maps and current endgame bosses.
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Zizaran talks about the current state of endgame in Path of Exile 3.24 Necropolis League.
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If the top 0.1% of the player base thinks t17s are fucked, imagine how the other 99.9% feel.. 😔
First time i dropped like 50 divs on an a build (Tuna's exsanguinate miner) that wrecked all normal content. I did all regular bosses no issues at all. Maven, Uber elder, Shaper, all down in record time for me, basically instant phasing most of them... T17 though...omg! First t17 i didn't even make it to the boss!!! Some of the mods are insanely rippy.
Chris pls come back, look at they did to our boy(poe).
@@joelhodoborgas wat? this sounds exactly like what chris would make, except he'd make uber bosses on par as well lmao. Chris "FFA loot is fine to be the only loot system and ruthless league is how this game should be played" wilson
Maybe for hardcore, on trade most of my friends have no problem with T17s.
Feels like kaizo Mario, you walk and kill all fine then you insta dead :(
The fifth map device slot should be unlock at the same time as the last atlas tree page. Around 100 atlas completion
just full atlas without uniques
@@salvadorscar6057 or invitations----- alternatively full atlas AND 4 watchstones
zizaran presents an issue with t17 maps being harder than ubers and ggg's response will be to leave t17 as it is but making ubers 20 times harder than before
That would be alright actually
Missed the important last step:
Ben_ still clears both in 48h on HC SSF
I would pretty much like tht with also improving the rewards for ubers of course.
i was thinking this may happen too
I don’t mind if they actually make Ubers even harder! I just hope it’s not a simple numerical buff to bosses. Maybe they add some mechanic (but not as tedious as shaper)
Having a lvl 95 character with only 4 map slots is such a feel bad. Clearing t17 maps is fine but not being able to kill bosses is kinda rough - and to me an unreasonable prerequisite to unlock the slot.
Also, it doesn't help that the game is loading the slowest it ever has, every time you portal back to the arena you have to sit still for several seconds waiting for the textures to load
I got fairly close to finishing a t17 with a friend and we both spawned straight into the boss' lasers without realizing it on our last portals
I haven't tried t17s since that, it just felt awful
@@jogadorjncthink that’s a you problem have had no issues with load times lol
@@cameronrolls9985 Considering in the example I mentioned my friend had the same issue, and also considering how many people I've seen complain about it, I don't think it's exclusively a me problem
@@jogadorjnc switch to dx12 or vulkan here solved it for ya.
@@marioharrer9999 This is actually the problem. PoE seems to be clearing texture caches for a lot of patches, and it doesn't properly generate the caches before loading into zones, so you end up with tons of stutter and missing textures for the first few maps after every decently big patch.
I'm not a huge fan of them putting more and more behind ubers when they were introduced as content that was outside the normal/expected goals for most players. A ton of builds can't really do ubers without an absurd amount of investment, and that was supposed to be okay because it wasn't meant to be done by everyone anyways. Now a good chunk of the build enabling pinnacle boss uniques are shoved behind ONLY the ubers, and pretty core progression is now gated behind content that is arguably harder than ubers even. Between that and being pretty much forced to run extremely specific defensive layers these days unless you like getting your balls crushed randomly the game has been feeling really anti "nonmeta" lately.
^this, instead of being a stress test for builds, they became mandatory.
Yea that also sucks allot for ssf cause ubers is almost completely impossible unless you follow some u er uber meta gem and even then its a pain, worst part is its not even the uner foght thats hard. Its the t17 maps.
@@tylerx2ez699 I played ssf aswell and it made me quit the league after clearing a t17 map. What a bad joke to gate the 5 slot device which became even more important do to the new scarabs, behind uber content, just so you can grind t16 maps in their intended way.
if they are going to leave ashes and omni as uber drops atleast unnerf them
raise ashes to tier 0 and makes it just gives 100% quality to all gems lol should be interesting...
@@andrecandi5085no
omni is fine post nerf, even at 1% / 15 omni it's ok because as omni build you stack a crap ton of it anyway, doesn't make much of a diffrence nerfed or unnerfed.
Ashes is shit though without reservation mod. Currently 1 div on sc trade league which is laughably cheap for a uber boss rare drop.
Its a big nerf. Especially for builds like cwdt @@alewis514
Honest opinion is that they should roll the t17s as base magic tier, 1 guaranteed t17 mod. Half of the problem of a t17 currently is double modifiers being applied, albeit you can allflame one half of the problem away. Magic gets the chance of 1 fragment dropped, rare+ gets 1 guaranteed fragment with the usual modifiers increasing as you go higher.
They might even want to make a quest version of t17s to have a soft inclusion of the 5ways to your mapping, maybe including it into Kiracs mission chance for explorers reports once you’ve either hit full map completion or have completed both water and exarch quest kills to show there’s more after the game.
I attempted my first T17 (Abomination) as a juggernaut with 100k armour, 85 all res and 12 mill damage last night. Boy, was that a mistake.
GGG solution -> triple difficulty of Ubers.
Job done
hahahha
3.25 news: we've fixed melee by removing melee skill gems
@@Dryxxxathe true way to fix melee
Yes please
and most ppl would accept it
I'm very irritated about the 5th slot on the map device honestly. I like to get things myself and not pay for carries but after getting smashed in 17, I never went back.
I keep getting baited into trying a T17 because I don't like the idea of paying for carries, but this may be the first time I've even considered doing it. I can clear mostly alright through the map if I'm careful, but once you get to the bosses it almost feels like you are doing The Feared or something. It's just disgustingly hard content considering something as basic as your 5th slot is locked behind it.
@@Seingledealso why shouldnt it be like the feared. It should be as hard thats the point . The feared Are Non uber bosses and this should be a step up from it
I don’t like paying either, luckily I found a guy that took another tier 17 map as a trade for the carry. Since I don’t run 17s I wasn’t really out anything
Just play the Fortress map and roll map until you dont have stupid mods. Fortress Boss is a Cakewalk compared to the others.
@@chidori0117this your best bet indeed, you can make a cheese atlas too with niko and shrines
There literally a you die curse call "Mark for Death" that makes you take 20% increased damage and disabled health like the maven beam.
Completely negligible on some builds, like Relic of the Pact, there are gatekeep mods, as per usual
I still don't get why the 5th map slot is gated behind some type of content. Yeah, maybe it doesn't exactly need to be the default, but just gate it behind Atlas completion. When you get all 126 (?) points, you get the 5th slot. It's the point at which people want to be juicing to farm anyway.
Yeah, I agree. It wasn't as much of a big deal before because juicing with 3 scarabs versus 4 wasn't that insane of a value loss, but now that we only have scarabs and no sextants, that fifth map slot is pretty premium and gating it behind t17 was a fucking weird choice to say the least.
Absolutely not, worst idea ever. to get the 5th slot you are suggesting to require all players to beat the Feared.
@@404404Hunter Actually, I was thinking of just completing the Atlas. All maps, in that case. I was just unsure of how many points that were, meant to say 115.
did a t17 with union of souls and i have never in my 10 years of poe feel so much displeasure and discontent. With enough rolling it feels ok but then the boss is just a nightmare and theyre a big part the map returns.
That green vertical line
When the green line is vertical
I can't unsee it now 😢
"We hear you! Bosses now have 10000% more HP, do 300% more damage, have by default 4 extra projectiiles and 120 more aoe. This a buff!"
You forgot about "and have no drop"
Also one portal only
Players who die to the boss are send to the Void
Imo what they should do is add a harvest craft to reroll uber fragments, so you could run the boss you like not the boss that drops the most fragments. Also, as you said, they should definitely work on uber loot pool. So ideally they should either make ubers much more accessible, or make the loot so much better on average
I think GGG has lost control of their "design space". The only knob they seem to have is to make stupid super super super rippy. Then they wonder why we all have to make builds that delete entire screens of the game and ignore all their design work. It's getting really old league after league.
That design space has been lost for almost a quarter of a decade at this point. They have said it themselves multiple times: how DO you create a difficult encounter when defenses are basically binary: you either one shot or get one shot.
There's a reason I'm looking forward to PoE2, and it isn't even improved graphics and animations, or new lore, or the skill gem system, or anything actually new about it: I want that clean slate where defenses aren't "regen your entire health bar in 1 second" or " infinite health pool against map mobs", so that actual encounters can be more reasonable and not rely on giga freezes, stuns, off screen damage to stand a chance of killing your character.
@@nextgen3ric i have been wanting to start a new thread in the forums as a plea for GGG to remove most if not all "more" multipliers in PoE2. I can remember when they first added a support gem (this was maybe 2011?) that had a "more" tag and my friend and I said "the cat is out of the bag". It was basically the start of the runaway dmg ramping. Which then of course feeds the monsters life/dmg matching. If they had just kept with mostly "increased" dmg multipliers ... there would be a very clear diminishing return and we wouldn't be doing 10s (or 100s) of millions of DPS and there wouldn't be this issue. Almost all supports (gems and items) are "more" multipliers now. It has broken the game.
My problem with the T17 mods is that they are hard, but not in any way fun. So many of them feel like reflect. As in, your build can run it or it can't and you gotta roll over it. The magnitude of the mod almost doesn't matter because, just like reflect, many of them target builds by effectively turning something completely off that this certain build relies on so they just can't reasonably run it. Or at the very least it's just not worth it.
I'm not claiming I have the perfect solution and I understand that it's very hard to make something difficult in a game that is about "how can I oneshot the entire screen while being as far away as possible". But this just aint it, chief. This is just not fun, this is just tedious because I need my regex ready and roll until I can get mods that I can even somewhat run without punching the monitor.
Still believe reflect is a stupid mechanic and should be deleted from the game because it has zero player interaction. It randomly kills you without explanation, and then after getting screwed over by this zero graphic indication instagib you finally learn to ask others what the fuck, then learn to roll over the mod for the rest of time. not a good mechanic.
Have no interest in playing a map with mod pool filled with that garbage
@@SephirothsBIade u can become reflect immune? or significantly lower dmg returned?
@@marioharrer9999 Or i can not waste my skill points and just not run the reflect maps. its a bad mechanic
@@marioharrer9999 there are ways, like running sibyl's lament/reduce reflect + pantheon but this is not completely bulletproof as if you get shocked, your reflect resist which is probably 130% or something will get reduced and if you take even just a smidgen of reflect, you instantly die.
or run awakened ele gem which makes you completely immune to elemental damage for the skill you're throwing out. kinda useless if you have manaforged gear that also throws out damage unless you slap them with the same gem too.
these are the things i know, there could be more.
Reflect is a retard check, it absolutely serves a purpose.
i tried the ziggurat map with very mild mods , first thing waiting for me was 3 boss mobs that could not take any damage
Started PoE in December so Affliction was my first league. I was too busy learning the base game to pay attention to the league mechanics.
Necro league I feel comfortable enough to start my first HC character. I only get 2hrs a day play time so this should be a LOT of fun.
Just want to clear the campaign is my goal.
Thanks for all the help.
The 5 slot map device was fine where it was at, it was literally like the only reason to interact with legion and it gone now. Im getting tired of this. Literally cant even play the game anymore because assholes think its ok to block out 99% of the playerbase from content because of overtuned bullshit and constant fucking nerfs
Maybe they can keep these T17 maps as 'Uber Maps' since some players like the challenge. Then rework the reward tree to fit in appropriate rewards.
I thought that was the point of Valdo maps though. They need to tone the T17s down. End of story
“No one will be doing normal bosses” well assuming you can kill Ubers which never happened for me despite years of playing 😂
I did t17 but Ubers are one shoting me mostly.
Uber bosses should have some gate behind them, like they did with the last map slot in t17 maps. Dunno if a solution comes from giving something really rewarding with a big downside like: be sent to void or map device cooldown. The state that rewards are right now is scuffed, there's no reason to do Uber boss variant anymore.
T17s are cool and i like the idea of them not being self-sustaining. The maps themself are are a knowledge check at the moment. If you know which mods and monsters to skip, they are trivial. If you get a wrong mod or monster on there, it's a six portal adventure.
There is also a huge gap in fun with the T17 mods at the moment. I like mods such as "Petrification Statues", "Drowning Orbs", "Awakeners Desolation", "Monster poison" or "Boss is accompanied by a Synth Boss". They either add directly to the gameplay or force me to make small adjustments to my build (eg changing a flask / pantheon). Then there are mods like "-20% max res" or "200% phys as extra", which don't really allow for counterplay other than to reroll the mods.
Looking forward to the next iteration :)
I agree with this, I also like the idea behind t17's. But as you said there is a huge gap with the mods that can roll. And can just lead to them completely being unfun.
I have for the most part just stopped running them unless I get a good dropped one, and just sell all the others. Not worth the headache lol.
I also agree it is kind of annoying needing to make adjustments and changes to a build if you are wanting to run a map with specific mods. A lot of people just want to toss their map in, some scarabs, maybe an allflame for whatever strat they are doing and go, not sit there and meticulously look at the mods and make adjustments for each little thing.
its also combination with league mechanic, ppl seem not to get tht those are additional mods on top of what is in the map and since u can't avoid em it just gives a feeling of t17s being way harder than they actually are if u spend some time rolling em.
something they could do is add a 5th Watchstone(Sirus) which when socketed unlocks the 5th map craft slot when you collected all 5...
I tried to clear a t17 on maybe day 5 of the league so I could unlock the 5th map slot. I failed 4 maps and on the 5th one I used the scarab that makes your portals reusable sometimes. Took 14 portals to clear it lol.
ziz, there's a 1 pixel wide green line on the left when your webcam is in full screen
I just want a build that can clear all of the atlas for the vault so I can call it a day what would be your recommendation? I've tried ball lightning and explosive arrow ballista but they fall off so hard after white maps I'm sure they do great with currency invested but I have about 2 div in total.
I think the 5 slot map device should unlock from completing your atlas (115/115). That way players get it after finishing progression and when entering grinding state.
T17s should be hard but imo the bosses need to drop fragments with a stack size of 1-3 so ubers are more accessible again
Give the t17 maps some memory treatment. Like x% increased effect of explicit modifiers, x% increased monster life and damage, x% increased something something etc. However, make it so that the maps can be modified as usual maps. It’s cool that the maps have their own mod pool, but it does create a weird scenario where it’s no longer worth it to really farm the bosses, only really the fragments for others to pray for RNG. At least being able to run them white would deal with a large amount of users being locked out. More non casuals can be brave and run them rare. The game is in a weird state now, would usually farm Ubers, but the investment vs reward makes it feel bad
I die to the remnants or whatever in T17s with 500k EHP. It took me a bit at first to figure out what was going on. Why did they make a big deal about changing DD this league (how it looks, the timing, sounds, etc) for this one mobs DD in the new content to stay and it goes off in .5s one shots?
1. Make map mods for t17s much easier and perhaps add interesting boss-only mods that always roll on them
2. Make t17 bosses have quite a bit more hp as they just get melted rn - this also balances out the map mods being made much easier
3. Make ubers rollable in some way with boss-unique modifiers that add or change mechanics. Then either lock new OP uniques behind these rolls or they improve the droprate of uniques
4. Everything else you've said in this video
All league mechanics eventually lead back to ArchNemesis.
the league where rares became stronger then ubers xDD
T17s are totally fine with me, because once I realized my build isn't great at that level, I simply skip all T17 attempts, doing my farming get currency and upgrade, going thru challanges casually, and preparing the next build which can take on T17s, the 21/20 gems the gear takes a while but if I'm not in a hurry, it's the Steelmage style and it feels quite cozy.
with monsters on t17 I would add also shock ball guys. Those are also rippy for no reason. While having reduced shock of 90% and getting only 5% of shock multi, this thing kills as well. Those lightning balls are crazy.
T17 idea as a whole is great, creating a bridge between boss and ubers is good, removing uber from regular invites and the atlas is also good now they should remove entirely the mapping concept and kept only the boss fight with lesser mods bcs people mapping with 200% quant is ridiculous
Also, it makes sense to have the stepping stone between pinnacle bosses and uber bosses be more bosses, since the requirements to be able to map vs boss effectively are wildly different
Fully agree, especially reg. 5 slot map device unlock
I think the fifth map device slot should be unlocked by both doing a T17 or a Fourway, that way someone who is focussed on mapping can unlock the slot for thier fourth scrab without having to find someone to carry them through a T17.
Did 2 t17 on sc put on singular focus and back to regular t16 farming.
I roll my maps carefully, playing a Pathfinder with 81 81 81 + Eternal Damnation + Petrified Blood + full Ele Conversion + suppress capped and I find that the heist bots that throw ball lightnings are also hella rippy when I try to rush through if I don't react fast enough
heist boss is the easiest. Just go always behind his back. He also have no real phases, so it can be one-tapped as well. Yeah, ball is rippy, but it is much easier to dodge than ball from abomination boss or Lycia area spams.
@@maksymisaiev1828 I refered to the heist bots not the boss lol, read my comment
@@maksymisaiev1828 Not sure if my first reply went through, but I am not reffering to the boss, read my comment again. I have had no trouble with any of the bosses, the only slightly frustrating one has been Catarina but that's just because Ulaman is a bit sketch for my build, that's it.
@@gpabuser4859 ah, yeah, now I understand. Yeah those bots are overwhelmed. They are even worse than fire skull from ultimatum - high damage for no reason.
Maybe add a chance for uber fragments for normal bosses too? It feels weird Atziri drops Uber atziri fragments but not the other pinnacle bosses
How about the 5th slot unlocks once you get all 4 voidstones?
I'm slowly coming to terms I'm prob not going to be able to do Ubers this league if I just want to play casually.
T17 are crazy even after the nerfs I was able to do 2/5 50% packsize ones on a char that was able to do all other content deathless.
got my map slot purely by a lucky headhunter proximity shield steal. fortress was easy enough on it's own as well. for sure not running them again until the next league.
T17s definitely need to unlock SOMETHING. Something that makes people want to try them out. But that something should not be the 5 slot map device. The 5 slot map device is juice which helps you farm. Farming is what you should want to do to get stronger, so it should not be locked behind such a difficulty spike.
Maybe T17s should instead unlock the third atlas skill tree layout. And the 5 slot could go back to legion or maybe a reward for fully completing the atlas.
Juiced regular boss invites should grant uber shards. Users should drop t17s, and crank up t17 drops.
I think you nailed it,
i just gave up on tryng to get the last voidstone sadge
goddang it, ive been speccing into legion for the 5-way
Have you ever heard of a thing called patch notes
The only way I cleared t17 for my map device was to strip down all my extra +map mod effects from my entire atlas page and pick up the keystone that says monsters do less damage but have more life. Used all 6 portals and just stayed on the other side of the map on sanctuary letting my minions kill it.
I actually like the new bosfights in the maps but its a bit sad that you almost always have to deal with stupid shit caused by mods when fighting them.
Either they have increased area so that you cant dodge stuff that was normally designed to be dodged or you have some sawblades flying at you covering up space that would normaly be used to evade other stuff or some other mod messes up they way the fight was designed to function. It means you can only really fight them if you build is kind of too powerfull for them anyway so that you can just ignore most mechanics.
good ideas!
For softcore players who want to ease into T17s, I highly suggest you do the Fortress map. The boss fight can basicly be done hitless so you can cover up for your lack of gear with skill.
I feel like anything dropping from an uber boss should be something to look forward to, not be a gamble to see if you hit the one thing that is good and worth currency.
Well, Uber Maven is almost that (apart from the hat) and look at her run prices :P
@@cauthrim4298 Impossible Escape is also a 15c unique and a gamble by itself if you're unlucky.
@@kebb0 well, by itself it is a good item and I'd say it definitely averages over 1d
@@cauthrim4298 my point is still, any item dropping from an uber should feel worth it. Dropping an Impossible Escape and it's 15c cause you got unlucky ain't it.
I don't get why they needed to move the 5th slot for the map device to harder content than a 5-way legion. Now the higher end more rewarding content for the league mechanic I wanted to run is based around this T17 I don't have any hope of completing without paying for a carry or investing a ludicrous amount of currency into my build.
If all youre looking for is the 5th slot it is very achievable. Zerg the boss. The bosses themselves are not much harder than eater or exarch
buy t17 fortress, roll it, rush to boss and kill boss. It's that easy. If you play dogshit build than pay for carry
I experienced that mob yesterday in a very juiced T17 map. My RF is EXTREMELY tanky and literally nothing could remotely touch it even with +300% added chaos damage on top of the 187% of a random element as extra damage (and ofc still other mods...) But THIS particular MOB COMPLETELY destroyed me.
Well, and having it shoot 4 projectiles and monster poison on hit and poison duration last longer certainly didnt help either, but god damn the loot from the map was great.
I recently did a t17 with "monsters take 126% reduced extra damage from critical strikes". That was great fun, my 50m DPS build went down to 5m :D White mobs were dying in 5s, rares in 20...
It would be better ,to get the 5th slot map device , in finishing all Maps.
So U can Farm better for t17
It was a Bad decision to bind it behind Clearing Tier 17 Maps
If they still want us to do the Tier 17 for the 5th slot , their must be a way to do them in White
Now we have rats and frogs. And maybe the 50% scarab for Portals , but next League frogs and rats are gone
I think there is a core issue in this high tier of content being modifiable, as it makes the balancing so hard to do, and makes it extremely unfriendly to anyone not doing broken builds, as this content seems to be balanced around.
At least the mods they have chosen for the T17 maps do not make any sense at all. What are these mods that either brick your build or you can semi-ignore doing on this tier of content at all? It only exacerbates the issues.
If this is a benchmark for your build or a stepping-stone, balance it proberly and make the content uniform (or have it have much less variance than now).
The system can be saved, but it does not perform the goals it set out to do at all right now and needs a serious and extensively tested overhaul. The usual "bad league, but core game is fun" really took a backseat this league when they sort of bricked the endgame and made the bad league unavoidable.
I really hope GGG learns some core lessons from this, as we cannot have another league like this.
no problem, it is working as intended. Back to beach!
so you're saying add revenants to ubers to make the difficulty curve what is expected... got it.
I havent even dropped a T17 yet :P been stuck in t16s trying to get my 2 last voidstones.
They should give us only magic T17 from T16 and also from normal pinnacle bosses.
The Ubers then should drop rare T17.
I play sc nimis doubled in price. Not really ideal still having fun but only with new atlas tree and ne scarabs
I always hated having the uber nodes on the atlas tree, and never specced into them to do ubers because I didn't feel there was enough reason to, so I'm glad with the direction of the changes. But absolutely, imo GGG should've considered T17 difficulty as high of a priority as the broken farming strats. The fact that they immediately nerfed things that were rewarding to players, but didn't fix the absurd difficulty of T17s, really feels like a "fun detected" moment.
Do anyone know if Wealthy Exile is safe?
T17 bosses should give a fragment you put in the middle of the map device to upgrade the pinnacle bosses to Uber variant.
Getting 5 of the same boss fragment is to much of a chore especially in SSF
up the droprates for SSF for the uber uniques lol
To cut what would be a long rant short, before this league i used to be able to do a few uber boss kills, still have never killed uber eater of worlds, uber exarch or uber maven but i have killed the rest. Now, unless i buy the fragments for them, i don't even have the chance to attempt them, as well as not being able to have my 5th map slot device (should probably just pay a carry or smth but that requires tft or some crap i don't wanna go through) so they either need to do some serious adjustments to t17 maps or don't lock uber bosses behind them imo.
maybe they should just give you the 5 sloth map device when u clear all the altas, i mean all maps
You need to keep bringing up to GGG how bad melee is right now
They dont seem to fucking get it
Alkaizer seems to disagree. They are just a bit more difficult than ranged characters but honestly its mostly skill issue.
@@marioharrer9999skill issue that they require 50 times more currency to be viable safely meanwhile 99 other builds off screening stuff 😂
@@marioharrer9999 you are so delusional. Manaforged arrow and mirage archer there is no melee counter part, armour and phys reduction is meaningless when there are bound to have monster that over whelms phys reduction every few maps. Melee strike skill have a huge penalty on first attack and most attacks are stationary in MELEE range. Borrowed power from totem feels bad to play. Last of all, molten strike and splitting Steele scale with projectile damage and snipers mark instead of being fully “melee”
would u watch streams with Jhonatan, and Mark.... you would know, that they are fucking get it. And they explai exactly why it is how it is. So it is you, who dont fucking get it
@@marioharrer9999 Just because it can be played doesn't mean its in a good state
I've given up getting my voidstones this league. It's 2+ div per attempt of uber elder now, so if I can't clear it I'm down 2 div with nothing to show for it.
Just let us use Scouring orbs on them.
And yes - without (at least) frogs - regular players are fuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
Do GGG developers even play their own game? I would be curious to see how they would do. The next gauntlet should be a dev-only televised competition. Let's see how they do it, what do you say GGG? Up to the challenge!
with 2 88lvl toons Iquit insta deaths , no decent upgrades, maps where have no idea what will come next...
PoE is just gating more and more behind a giga amount of knowledge. As a veteran, I just find it exhausting to catch up on all the league mechanics when I come back.
Did I miss something? I'm playing a DD Necro and have no chance to do the ubers with a 30 divine gear. But I found one Sanctuary Map and finished it first try. I died two times in the map. All mobs had some wildwood mods and it took ages to kill them. But I just died once in the Lycia Fight. Could be lucky map mods but I don't remember them. I rerolled like 5 times.
Well there are just many unfun and bs things and mods in t17. The monster dd, ovwhelm, random one shots and build bricking mods. Takes a lot of chaos to roll a map that doesn’t give monster insane damage multiplier or build bricking mods.
You're playing DD... arguably the strongest league starter. I don't like the idea of stratifying content even more in this game and further limiting build diversity. Since GGG loves to nerf base drop rates and move rewards deeper and deeper into endgame each league since Sentinel and Chris's "ruthless is a good mode to get people into ARPGs" crusade.
Idk, I think the idea of T17 maps was great but they are way over tuned and I feel like it was also a mistake to move unique's around on the end game bosses. IMO they should have kept the loot for the bosses as it was and instead add NEW insane unique's for the ubers loot tables and call it good. I also dont feel like the move for the 5 map unlock was necessary, there was no need for such a change. ngl just feels like a lot of things were changed just for the sake of change and without much thought of impact to the game.
i just had my first t17 map today in ssf and i broke a world record for the fastest 60% exp lost. its sad cause what i enjoy the most is bossing in this game and i was not able to do any bosses this league yet, yes 1 month in
Sooooo, why couldn't uber fragments drop from the regular versions? This would solve their issue, and they could idk, recycle the new T17s into valdos or something.
What saddens me even more is that im at a place where my build can definitely do well-rolled t17s, but my AG just isnt having any of it. Its been just as much a crutch as totems for melee
Explosive arrow
Great idea.
Execution like D4:
bad.
Exactly
I finally got a T17 map to drop last night. I went in and immediately got dropped. I almost thought the map had reflect but no the monsters was just that overtuned. I'm probably gonna stop playing soon if something isn't done.
the biggest problem i have is the big lag on ps5 ingame
nearly impossible to do some content
its the sound this league they did something with the sounds that made the game laggy af turn it off an you ll see the game will run 1000 times smoother
Drop rates feel bad. They seem to have balanced around the fact that some builds can faceroll spam bosses all day, so any chase item is 1/50 or 1/100 drop. Most items people want arent available on HC trade, and if they are it's 100d & live searching.
The drop rates for good items are not bad, they are actually better than they were before, it's simply the fact of lower availability of Uber runs leading to higher run prices and consequently higher valuable drop prices
I’m having fun with t17s and Ubers. I play SC trade, I did standard currency farming to gear myself up, and I play the new content and Ubers because it’s fun for me to play challenging content, it’s why I play Poe. The drops I could care less about, making thousands of divines I could care less about. I want to be the godslayer wraeclast thinks I am. That’s why I play Poe to begin with. I respect the point of view from folks who don’t enjoy it though.
In HC i've been looking for a T17 service for 1 week... still no one :(
ask ben
I see them being advertised for free all the time in trade in HC that's how I got mine
People are selling t17 completion all the time in trade chat
My suggestion:
- The 5 slot map device should be a Maven reward when you completed all Maven crucible fights.
- Tier 17's should be tuned the F down, both risk and loot.
- Add a atlas tree option for tier 17 maps, just like they exist for the other "special/boss" maps
- Atlas tree content selection should be rewarding without having to use scarabs.
- Less scarabs, but more special scarabs as they should be special and nice to have, not must have to make the content fun and rewarding.
I loved the announcement of the changes a lot. Now that i've played it for a while, it's my least favorite league. To give a reference to my depth of playing. I started POE with Archnemesis, my fav league was Sanctum and since Sanctum I've been doing the 40/40 challenge completion every league.
I honestly have no issue with T17s being as brutal as they are. We finally got some content again that is worth aspiring to. If I could kill T17s on day 3, then where's the challenge? On that note, I'm not sure yet how I feel about rewards. The maps are pretty cramped so with just a regular scarab tree I walk out with at least half an inventory of scarabs. So for me it feels fine? The bosses are indeed more brutal then they maybe need to be due to the mods but that is still kinda fine?
I guess they should really buff the drop rates on T17s if they want people to clear them super slowly. Otherwise people are just going to do the math and stick with T16s.
I did the math and got ~10div/hour from boss rushing Ziggurat
@@cauthrim4298 post pob plz
@@404404Hunter SanguineRelicBlast on poe ninja. Idk about the Ziggurat profitability rn, though.
I agree, Uber pinnacle bosses should get buffed. :)
I'm guessing no gauntlet this league with this kind of endgame right??
I think the T17's have raised the ceiling of the game SO MUCH.
I dont get the focus on the 5th map device slot. Thats such a minor thing and can be changed easy.
I think the issue goes soo much deeper. The juicing has again been pushed to a higher entry barrier.
With their quest to keep playing forever, I think they keep pushing difficulty harder just to keep it challenging for the super hardcore players (streamers, and that portion who dont stream). making the gap between the semi-hardcore or more casual playerbase much bigger again.
I've tried 4 Sanctury, didn't finished any. There is definitely some skill issue here but I don't think that's the only problem. The mobs are extra tanky and dangerous, the boss OS me in P2 (don't remember the name of the add, but that's the one which off screens me), it's really not fun
non uber bosses should get all the uniques back and uber bosses should drop replica versions (call it something else though for lore reasons, like transcended versions or something)
Not to mention they are that hard in a league where everyone are rocking 6t1 rare mod itens. Imagine doind this without corpses craft next league...
sirus flask is not rare, its like 10% droprate