The problem is, it's the wrong kind of complicated: No one can tell me that it's fun to sort out 60 corpses for a single item craft that has a reasonable chance to being bad anyways. Its so much hassel for a randomized result its descouraing honestly.
@@vulcanz1327 ''Controlling the craft'' Me who wants a lightning wand takes %800 lightning modifiers+similiar shit gets a fuck in Tier 25 Accuracy without a single Lightning mod.Yeah its ''Controlled'' alright...
Not being able to choose the base is a big blunder. Just allowing us to pick the base or input one of our own would massively improve the mechanic. As it stands, needing to input corpses just to manipulate the base that drops adds needless complexity to the graveyard and makes it worse than every other crafting mechanic available
The base being random is definitely an issue but to me it's still at the bottom of the list. The user experience is horrible. You have what, 50-ish graves that you gotta fill manually 1 by 1? With a list that you have to constantly scroll around or search because the mods are not really grouped together except for level. And the search doesn't even persist if you go to the next grave, so you have to type "fire" or whatever constantly. And because there are so many graves, every single grave has a very small contribution to the final item. And since very few things actually guarantee anything, only increase the chances, it feels frustrating that your desired outcome is still so incredibly unlikely even if you spend all that time filling every single grave. Imo the whole thing should have been a dozen or so graves with each being meaningful (that way slamming 3 or 4 corpses for an ok-ish leveling/early mapping item would be much more feasible). Also don't drown me in corpses that have modifiers so low that I don't even want to pick them up cause 64 spots really isn't that much in the current system. And ideally, you should be able to do it like TOTA when selecting your team, where you get a completely new screen that shows you all graves at once rather than this cumbersome manual work. Would be way more realistic with fewer graves too.
@@Sniperfuchs I feel it would have been much better if the level of a corpse only affected the weight or magnitude of its mod. Having to throw away ones like "+1 explicit modifier" just because it will drag the item's level down is asinine, just tie the resulting item's level to the character.
Even if the league crafting does get really strong it shouldn't take days of farming to get enough of just the right beast to slowly click through 64 different beasts and craft one item that may or may not be good. There are a lot of crafting options that are easier and less time-consuming to craft needed gear.
Even original Harvest wasn't this bad. At least you could force an exact result by pre-crafting certain mods to remove them from the pool, this is entirely RNG with elements that are entirely ambiguous.
@@utmastuh You can somewhat reliably force T1-3 mods, so it's really not that bad. Especially for armour items where you can somewhat force bases it's honestly really good. You can just have one crafting project in the works over the course of several maps. The worst part about the system is mainly that it does take time. Crafting anything with less than half a graveyard is essentially a waste. If it was possible to get better result with less corpses it would feel a lot better, simply because it wouldn't feel like a waste.
this league is bulshite, i had ele scarcers, and cold, fire and lightning scarcer...the fucking result had 3 ele modifiers! wtf like if i had maybe one i would be ok, not to mention it didnt give me phys modifiers which i put about 600-700 of it. that really pissed me off they fumbled yet again. not to mention another fucking nerf to builds and oooh yeah buffed the mobs yet again.
GGG has an issue with balancing for the top 1%. Time and time again it feels awful. They balance for the extreme outcomes so the average experience suffers.
They pay way too much attention to streamers. The whole "separate queue for streamers" debacle proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt, the constant balancing around said streamers is just icing on the cake. While I don't want them to take the dumbed-down Blizzard approach to balance of just ignoring hardcores altogether, they need to be looking at the top 10%, not the tiny handful of people who are literally paid to play their game 24/7, corner the market in RMT, or run in full groups.
It's a consequence of a trade economy where even 5% of the playerbase can 'flood' the market with good items if you make crafting easier, even if the other 95% can't figure it out or hate it... hence the super heavy reliance of RNG in the 'crafting'. I will die on the hill that we need a SSF mode with bonuses geared towards casual players who don't want SSF as a challenge, but a reprieve from gameplay for the sake of maximal currency gain. I still believe this is why harvest was so popular. The PoE trade economy has the same psychological impact as p2w in games: you reduce all of your game time into currency per hour rather than fun (instead of $s, in PoE we do it in divines).
This mechanic does 100% feel designed specifically for streamers. Extremely high knowledge and time requirement for potentially a large reward. I feel like non streamers just exist to sell corpses to streamers for this mechanic. It just isn't fun.
Good, sick of games becoming Diablo 3. Catering to lowest common denominator ruins every game that requires an ounce of thought. Look at Diablo, paradox games, wow
😢Had to delete some corpses for the first time as my morgue was full. Decided to just delete all the 'fire' mod ones as no good for my build. Opened list, searched 'fire' to filter all the fire corpses then hit delete. First corpse deleted then removed the search filter so had to re-enter it EVERY SINGLE TIME!! Who playtested this?!?!
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This is kinda what happens when you force your devs to a 3 month work schedule that has, MULIPLE TIMES, caused them to ship untested and underdeveloped content. Funny how any time GGG has had to delay a league by a month, the next one goes smoothly and is well received. Almost as if 4 months of dev time allows them to get everything they need done properly, huh... But na, 3 months is optimal for the best profit and retention.
@@SunnyBloop Idk how you can think that's how it works. They don't wait til a league releases to work on the next one the day after; they are always working on the next few leagues months out.
@@SunnyBloop The last 5 leagues have been on the longer ~4 month schedule. Necropolis league 2024-03-29 Affliction league 2023-12-08 Ancestor league 2023-08-18 Crucible league 2023-04-07 Sanctum league 2022-12-09 Kalandra league 2022-08-19
"If you have given us an unskippable league mechanic, that you have to fully invest into for it to be good, that'd be really fucking frustrating." - ziz
i find the league mechanic itself when it comes to maps very good, easy to make money. Crafting just feels undertuned, you should be able to pick bases way easier and they should explain mods more. What does +50 to something mean, nobody knows. I blocked all elemental bases except fire and i got a minnion wand...
Not to mention, the fact that the league mechanic on the atlas is literally at the 4 corners of the tree, you need to waste so many points travelling everywhere.
@@C0kePlaza This potentially would have been a really good league to introduce players to more nuanced crafting concepts. More explanation in game on mod weightings, etc. Something that would provide at least a basic framework in game that can get people more engaged. It doesn't all have to be about the top tier crafts, but getting people on that journey of crafting more gear for all levels/stages of the game.
@@C0kePlaza Yeah, I'd be perfectly fine with the bulk of the mechanic being enemies in my maps getting buffed and giving me extra rewards, while just ignoring the crafting shit while occasionally selling a high value corpse.
I think everyone would be a lot happier with it if it was optional... Just put a switch on the map device (that can't be interacted with if you have a map in there) that lets you enable/disable the lantern. That's it. I want to experience all of the cool new endgame content with scarabs and the new fragments, but each map is such a slog now.
Yeap to me that would be the perfect solution or at least give me a node in the atlas like "No negative mods positive mods have 50% less magnitude". So I don't get like 20% pen with 80% of phys as extra. Bro I don't like dying I have 90% res in softcore that mod literally triples the damage I take T_T
Back in Scourge league we had the Blood Crucible, a device that you accessed from your inventory to interact with the league mechanic. Perhaps the Lantern of Arimor could be switched on/off from the inventory instead.
I don’t want it to be optional otherwise this is just standard. I just want it to be way better and we get to preview what we are crafting to a certain extent. This is like harvest but waaaaaay more investment before you see results.
@scrambledflan5851 my thing is I'm still newer to the game. My favorite thing about wildwood was being able to choose when to turn it on and off. I'm still not great at the game. And having 5 juiced mobs in t5 white maps while I don't even have good gear or a 6l yet is very difficult for me, when that same reward is like 1% alteration chance cause I'm low map tier and low knowledge. Just having a simple toggle would allow me to gear and progress at my speed rather than being forced into really really hard stuff I'm not ready for yet.
If I need an excel spreadsheet and an in depth understanding of weight blocking, two hours of study, three hours of gathering items, and a 1/10 flip to get the right base in order to maybe get a good item... I'll just go play Last Epoch. GGG really missed the mark on this league.
@@Sammysapphira reducing the odds for lets say a cold mod by 50 doesnt mean it had a 0% chance. If u want to actually make usable gear, yes you would need to do the math of everything. Otherwise why not use any other craft method?
Sentinals was a crafting league and everyone loved recomb itens. that was one of the best experiences i created my fisrt +2 level amulete in that league.
Sentinel was the best league in the history of the game. So much to do and the items you could craft were fun. Key word fun. I had 3 level 100s that league. Because I was having fun lol. Hopefully they simply the crafting in this league and make rares drop stuff. They need to stop screwing around with fun. We don’t play these games to not have fun
I wouldn't consider Sentinel to be a crafting league. Juicing up monsters in the map was hugely profitable and fun. Sure it had a crafting element, but it had actual in-map gameplay. Almost every league has some element of crafting in it. But the current one is almost exclusively crafting. It's just menus. There's nothing in the actual map other than some mobs that are harder.
"+1 link up to a four link" is a hilarious mod. Like... that's leveling bait. Literally made obsolete by orb of binding, one of the cheapest and most ignored currency drops in the game.
It's fine for making levelling/early map items. I made some great stuff to get into maps. It's obviously not relevant after that point, but not everything has to be there for making your perfect 6L item.
What I hate the most is the limited amount of bodies I can store. Just make the number of graves smaller but let me hold infinite corpses. Otherwise it's just a corpse inventory management simulator, and that's not what I want to spend my time doing.
Its probably beastiary problem all over again. Instead of keeping mods in a simple table, they probably used some overcomplicated memory stash method and its too heavy on server performance, so they had to limit it to -27- 64.
U just can’t have a 3 month only league as a crafting league and make the crafting system worse then other crafting systems in the game. Once someone makes a corpse calculator it will be pretty easy to force some of the mods u want but it’s still just a bad crafting mechanic. It’s not fun to interact with and u honestly need a spreadsheet and craft of exile up on your second monitor to interact with it.
Rog respects your time. Rog gives you good crafts. Rog doesn't make you farm for ages and he crafts with you multiple times per session. Rog is love!Rog is life! Filch from Harry Potter is not Rog!
Im not a crafter myself so this mechanic is extremly overwhelming for me but im trying to learn. The thing that anoys me the most are those corpse tooltips that mostly overlay the dropped loot.
PoEDB dropped an update for necropolis. Go Modifiers -> Modifiers -> Choose your base -> add all of stats in your necro -> press calculate button. Its gonna calculate which mods got removed/which mods you can get. You can click certain mods just to check what you can get in each category.
Optional league mechanic and crafting what you want would be the fix. I would throw in some incredibly rare crafting mods like: 6 link, 6 white sockets, turn base item into unique, 30% quality's etc.
My first impression was in how much harder the campaign was. Just thinking how a new player coming into this league, with no way to skip the mechanic that makes the campaign much more difficult, would probably turn a lot of people off. This game already has a high bar for just getting started, why did they need to make it so much more difficult, and mandatory?
Ikr, I was going through A1 Mud Flats and was like wtf is going on? Do I suck at this game all of sudden? Then I read the modifiers on the lantern thing....
I'm new to this game and this is my first time playing it. The start few areas were a little slog but am in act 5. Currently having fun but have no idea about anything lol. Just following a detonate dead build idea 😂
@@Sharksm1leyou're probably bad at game then because it wasn't as hard as you're implying once you put the hardest modifiers on the weakest monster or the ones with reduced pack size . I swear following a build guide and looking to content creators has made people more lazy and expect that a build guide will make the game more easier for you.
hard agree! I hope they buff early game gravecrafting A LOT & rework the way harmful/rewarding mods are attached to different monsters making it silly (harmless monsters being the most rewarding ones currently)
I think Kripp said it best when he said if you don't click on the Necro orb then the map should just be normal. Then they can tweak the mechanic over the next few weeks to work.
@@xXBenutzer235Xx But it auto pops up when I start a map, with no option to close it just "enter". Though I've been known not to see things directly in front of me in the refrigerator too so maybe I'm just blind?
@@crazycdn8327 No you are absolutely right, there is no way to skip it but you are just not understanding what we are saying. We are saying that there SHOULD BE an option. It would be good if there was the option to just ignore the mechanic by not clicking the orb. We want it to be optional.
I think you're completely correct with what you mentioned, the POTENTIAL within the system means they're doing all this effort to make that so hard to achieve for balance, but 99.999% of the playerbase doesn't even really like to deal with crafting at all, much less min maxing a 60 spot graveyard, for players with no interest/know how for current crafting it's literally more worth it to do anything for currency and buy from crafters off trade, and that large amount of players are the ones at the moment getting forced every map to play with more difficulty for little/no reward and corpses they don't even care to interact with
The reason poe is best arpg is due to crafting, the crafting isn't that bad once you understand the modifiers. If most people didn't want to try new things they would have quit the game years ago.
I personally think crafting is really fun and know at least enough basics to understand how strong the mechanic could be, but it's definitely (if unfortunate) a valid point that people who barely want to craft with an essence or try to make their own item from a fractured base etc, aren't going to like going from loot pinata affliction to craftofexile open on another monitor calculating how many %s on how many bodys they have and still need to make a usable item @@thekvng201
All I want is an opt in / out of the league mechanic. I hate being forced into these things, and as far as the crafting goes. I've no idea how to use it effectively, the UI makes it super confusing too.
@@chozengaming8547 Yes, and? We're talking about wether you can opt out of the league mechanic. The issue is that you cant choose since the league mechanic buffs monsters. I don't mind it personally but I know some people don't like it.
Not being unskippable is the worst part for me. Even in affliction if you accidentally entered wildwood there's ways to get out of it without having to juice and increase difficulty. Also why can't we have button to discard/delete corpses when they drop, instead of having the npc show up just to open our corpse list.
I am scared of this too. Like: fossil crafting better than Necro crafting? Well, lets nerf fossil crafting. Necro crafting suddenly isn't that bad anymore eh? /GGG logic.
I mean they did nerfed Essences and Harvest by removing most important Atlas nodes for them and compasses, re-introducing both as scarabs that are so rare, it’s not worth to use them and rather sell, since the pool is diluted
I was playing a minion build, was trying to use the league mechanic to alch wands to try and get a minion wand.... didn't get a single minion wand using all of my corpses. Cool.
Yeah, that's my very frustration as well. The wand with the skull head on it, for more minion damage? I tried about 30 times yesterday. And it kept giving me a basic rare wand with spell damage or something I didn't want. Pretty irritating
@@Majindrono you use mods to guide the crafting. You can use craft of exile and method of elimination to get the wand you want. Minion mods increase your chances of getting a minion wand.
Interesting 🤔 I have yet to see that corpse myself, or even a mod that says minion wand or anything..I'll just keep grinding . I ended up just buying one in act 2 from a merch. Lol Defeating the whole purpose of the crafting in the league but oh well I guess.
I want to enjoy the league. As it stands how I will be crafting like I do every league, and not even really interacting with the graveyard. Not being able to choose my bases when I need very specific bases just seems like a complete waste of time. I agree if they're going to add tougher mobs in maps you can't avoid, they need to be rewarding. Linking difficulty to rewards its 100% fine for me. but 100% downside with 0% upsides doesn't really make sense.
The crafting thing could be terrible all league and it wouldn't bother me. Bad leagues happen. It will probably get buffed or figured out. I am not worried about that. What greatly concerns me is the mandatory increased difficulty for near no rewards. I worry this is a philosophy thing that will go core. I know it is meme'd at this point, but it feels like another crack at AN. Just a harder game to slow down the player for no increased rewards. How many times do we have to tell GGG that we don't want this? All the lip service about learning from past failures just feels like a lie at this point. If this is the vision you want, stop hiding from it. Take the 30-40% player loss and make the game you want to make.
I need GGG to understand that I am an adult with a job, and that most of the people playing this game are adults with jobs. I think this game is fascinating and I want to get into it more, but I am simply not able to play the game 40 hours a week. I love to progress my character, but the amount of grinding required to access the content of this game is not practical when balanced with a real-life schedule of work. (for me specifically, I'd also like to be able to do OTHER THINGS WITH MY FREE TIME than just grind this game. am I alone here? what do you think?) I'd love to see league mechanics where you can basically target farm items for your character. This is simply my opinion, but considering most players quit after the first two weeks of the league anyway, I think it would be a good idea to make end-game characters more achievable for the average player (specifically, the amount of time that the average player is able to invest in the game).
What a bizarre take. You absolutely don't need to play 40 hours a week to get into this game and do all the content that the game offers, especially if you play trade league. The reason this game is as good as it is and it has that much content is that it's not designed for the average player, it's aligned with it's monetization strategy.
I say this with no disrespect: this game isn't for you. It's not for me either, anymore; I am a beta PoE supporter, so I've been around a while. The game is what it is, and hasn't and will not change. I walked away (though I still lurk and peek from the outside), and I recommend you accept it for what it is and/or walk away.
If Ziz or any other content creator doesnt know what to do with the league mechanic or thinks its underwhelming, than 95% of the playerbase isnt gonna have a clue what to do with it either or aren't gonna interract with it at all.
They also need to raise or remove the cap on corpses in the morgue it feels like they expected us to be crafting 3-4 items at once and not that we would be using 20-30 corpses for 1 craft once we had everything
This whole league feel like a punishment for the 3.23 ..... "You had fun ? You had loot ? time to pay the bill ... what about getting killed with 1 hit in t1 map by a magic pack as a freaking EA Champ ? "
I failed to clear t1 map as Carrion Golem Elementalist bruh. That never happened before. Boss got touched by 2 spirits and there was an essence mod on it as well 😂😂
I haven't even gotten a single item from the league crafting that is better than stuff I was picking up off the ground before Act 10. Even when putting in a ton of corpses, because as you mentioned, the good corpses are borderline unobtainable, and there's no way to target a usable base. I hope they improve it, which I think they could just by adding more ways to target bases and tweaking the drop rates so we aren't getting 69420 dog tier corpses to fill up our 64-capacity graveyard, and never seeing anything good.
Or they could do all that and massively buff the crafting and make coffins free and in the UI, and also buff drops and nerf the most dangerous mods, fix the graveyard UI and simplify the crafting.
Also, there are corpse mods that "improve" the base item by skewing to "higher base level requirement," but this really only works for armor items where the base isnt absolutely crucial.. with weapons, and jewelrly, youre typically looking for a very specific base item.
5000% extra damage for every monster alive for no profit is so cool and fun. I'm glad the smart people at GGG decided to put this into the game, great league!
This is just another league i'll be skipping the mechanics, it's the 4th one. Just give me something similar to ritual, legion or any form of "go kill mobs, get paid" instead of "go get items, craft, hope for RNG, it's shit, fuck, try again, >>> , get paid"
I don't think the league itself is necessarily that bad, it's fine for a league mechanic to not be obligatory. The issue here is that there is almost no borrowed power. So it's less "I don't like crafting", more "there isn't anything worth doing that will get you anywhere near the last league's borrowed power". If the league mechanic was the same but there were random drops that gave you as much power as the last league would anyone care so much? Probably not, the issue is it being an overall nerf league.
@@zeriel9148the league mechanic needs to be better than the core game to get people to come back and stick around a while. Otherwise there's no point in the league at all
This has been the fastest I've ever quit a league. Being forced to interact with an un-fun, oppressive mechanic every single map stole all desire to play 😢
Same buddy. I am usually an all content player by the end of the first week and have 3-4k hours in game, but around act 7+ almost getting one shot on many occasions in hardcore made we seriously question the direction this game is going. I didn't have fun from level 50-80, so I haven't logged in the last two days.
@@kurt7937 mods on maps can already be pretty dangerous. Paired with Necro mods like 125 extra cold dmg + 20% cold pen is fking insane. I've died way way more in this league to basic mobs than in any league before. You'll be fine for 80% of the map, and then one pack will kill you instantly
@@steamfeuverIdk how they thought players will 'have fun' reading and customizing the mobs with horrible mods. Like we have the time to read and decide which mob gets which mod... truly frustrating. Campaign was nothing compared to maps imho. Just hope this mechanic never makes it to core.
If I could skip the mechanic like EVERY OTHER LEAGUE, I'd be pretty happy. I can choose to interact with it once ive got my atlas mostly done and some currency farmed to deal with all the crazy damage mods. You can't always put "more projectiles" on a zombie. Often the mods are just damage damage crit and theres no way to negate it outside of the frog embers which spoiler alert, dont drop commonly lol. At this point i just want the kirac vault pass completed and ill go back to Helldivers :(
I don't like not being able to opt out of the mechanic, I am really unlucky with drops. I don't have my resistances capped and I can't get currency/drops to save my life, so having a league mechanic that one shots me every map I go into makes me want to drop this league real soon.
How is this even possible? No matter my build my resistances are almost always capped or I use a flask with the modifier, "use once charges are full" or purity of elements after Act 10. Drops come from juicing the maps and rinse and repeat. With no investment I had 300+ chaos orbs and about 30 divines and didn't pass T9 maps😂😂
@@ArnoldsKtm Very well could be, doesn't change the fact that the league mechanic has made everything more rippy. played last league with out being res capped at the end of act 10 and continued into maps to build them out just fine. I was able to skip going into the wild wood till I was prepared enough. Not the case with this league, but sure disregard my opinion and experiences cause I don't sweat enough in a game to be on " Your Level".
Reminds me of Scourge; the *potential* for krangled items was insane but in practice it just wasn't worth going through all the hassle to sort the one in a million that was good from the trash. GGG seems to often balance a very high ceiling by also creating an extremely low floor.
Yeah, and I think it's because they are afraid people will get bored if they reach a certain level of done-ness too soon into the league. Unfortunately, the way to fix that does not include the foot-shotgun of un-skippable difficulty-raising mechanics combined with a very tedious and poorly-realized UI experience for the crafting and corpse harvesting/management.
The UI for corpses needs to be cleaned up big time. Just let me select a bunch at once. The mods should also be optional, you should have a pool of mods and rewards, and to add a reward you have to pick a -mod. The higher tier the mod, the more it buffs the rewards. Maybe you get a guaranteed corpse for wiping out that enemy type, so you can see how worth it it would be.
One of the most frustrating things about the league mechanic is not being able to edit your morgue easily. When you reach max mods it's a pain in the ass imo
Love the video! i appreciate that you as a Veteran Player still speak up for the newbies. This is my first league playing POE and been using your 5 hour long beginners guide video, which honestly felt like a necessity to be able to play this game. Crafting is allot and i agree with everything you've said and the mechanic aesthetic is cool the idea is as well but i have no way of really understanding what can or cant even be crafted on an item and whether or not im just throwing away stats because i crafted it on something that cant even yeild those affects if that makes any sense. In all honesty as a new player im completely confused as to how to use the mechanic to help my build and which corpse are even worth picking up. this league mechanic seems contradictory to the interview you just had and how the devs said they are trying to make things simpler
You have 200 hours this season? or in general because the season hasnt been out long enough for that and if you have 200 hours in the game your not a new player at that point?@@daniloribeiro5372
Same. Stopped playing in the 80's hc trade. The game is way more scary in no damage mods white and yellows that it feels like the gauntlet again. I play self created builds that are usually slower to get off the ground, but are competitive with investment. This league has been excessively punishing for not playing the meta. I am still alive and will probably give it another shot if they make the mechanic optional, but I doubt that will be the solution.
@@TreesPlease42 I quit scourge first week, then my friend made me come back like a month in and we group mf-d, made like an insane int stacker as an end of league project there, you could make some very cool items.
LE is good. It's in a better place than many other ARPGs on launch and it's going to be great eventually. I just don't see how someone can get more than 60 hours or so out of it right now. There's not a whole lot going on.
@@fredwin I agree, but it's in its infancy ATM and we'll just have to wait for future cycles to slowly add up similarly to POE's dev life. I find the most fun out of LE by trying out silly alt builds from crafted legendaries and farming monos is fun to do while watching something on a second monitor.
@@slowlearner46 No, absolutely. I enjoyed my time with it very much. I just don't prescribe to the idea of it being a replacement for PoE or anything in the short term or even next while.
I agree with you on the overly random manner in which grave-crafting happens. It's natural to want consistency and predictability in the outcome. Especially if one invests a lot of input parameters / conditions (corpses) in order to narrowly select specific things. Also there's no feedback on if your pattern of burials is appropriate for the desired outcome before you click the Go Button, and once you've buried something, you cannot remove it to fix the pattern and you will basically waste that and all the other materials on a dud pattern. This alone makes the process a very trial and error thing that burns through the limited supply of corpses on hand and just increases the frustration.
Having to navigate the graves and corpses is a huge pain in the a$$. They really need to streamline and automate necropolis mechanics. Corpse acquisition should be automatic when I walk near it rather than blocking my screen. Navigating the list of corpses should be auto organized with a search feature or assigned categories. Placing of corpses should be automatic we should just select at the start that all corpses should be connected and then everyone we pick gets auto buried. If you want to bury a separate corpse disconnected from the others there could be a button for separate corpse craft.
I'm basically playing standard with a mandatory halt every 10 minutes to burn unneeded corpses or make an underwhelming item. what's saving the league from being a total write-off is that the base game is solid and provides a good amount of variety. but if they don't do something to make the league mechanic less of a chore, I'll probably burn out in a week or 2 after finishing my atlas. for context, I played the previous league past the end of month 2
I wish it was something you could opt out of. Making it mandatory mechanic but also putting it in the atlas feels horrible. Also setting up the lantern before every map gets annoying really fast, and the fact that it can brick your map is horrid.
Hot take: I think the biggest problem is 1c for a coffin. If it was free or cheap then people would flood the market with corpses to see what sells and the crafters and theory crafters would have a lot more to work with as the market establishes itself. But 1c for one single corpse base cost means any craft has to be worth lots more than that if you are buying and selling the parts.
Who would even waste their time with that. Would be terrible to buy in bulk, fossils etc are much much faster to craft with, and easier to buy. You would lose div/hr from even trying to craft with that.
As a new player (2nd char 1st was on back in crucible) I had no idea how to change the modifiers or open the lantern menu. I played without knowing and used the necropolis to craft higher level rare items. It was enjoyable and now I main Poe ❤
As incredible as ggg are at creating complex systems for build making and being able to play the way you want, the complexity completly lets them down when it comes to crafting. Its like they're scared to let the majority of players understand the way crafting works because they want people to buy items instead, would it be so bad to SIMPLIFY crafting instead of making it so rng and unbearable.
i can tell the end game could be good or OP at some point, but the major problem is players does have a hard transition time before enjoying the new mechanic which make the early game bored and tons of frustration.
Thank you for this. As a new player (started PoE 6 weeks ago towards the end of Affliction League), I've struggled with this new league a bit. Having to ensure the area/level I'm going into to ensure the modifiers are not going to work against me is beyond frustrating especially when playing with multiple players in tandem. Beyond flasks, I barely understand how to craft items for things I want, I normally would just buy the base and work from there last league, this league I doubt I'll even be able to do that with how the current mechanics are setup. It definitely kills the fun aspect of the game as I feel even more limited now.
5 out of the 6 enemies on the map have savage modifiers. Personally makes me skip some maps I put it on skip most of the mobs. As well as just seeing mana modifier from corpses over and over. Love everything else so far
1) Not having an option to have the league mechanic on or off is just ridiculous when compared to older leagues. 2) Not being able to choose bases is indeed quite frustrating in the crafting mechanic.
Patterns and archetypes play a huge role. Some streamers know this but haven’t made a video on it yet due to market influx. You can manipulate bases, patterns and archetypes.
As a very new Poe player I can’t even begin to state where I’m confused and everything is so complicated and I’m a very competent player. Crafting in Poe have been a bane of my existence lol. Started in affliction league. Never really got good at finding correct gear and currency. I’ll probably say I single handedly had roughly 12 divines actually drop for me on my map runs and I made it to T16 maps. Was able to get around 6k juice and still nothing but chaos orbs and the same repeat unique drops that wasn’t worth a damn. But affliction league was very nice for me as a starting Poe player. just now reaching act 3 it’s crazy to see people already in maps 😅. Sorry but I still get lost in campaign at times and add in the frequent breaks it’ll be sometime next week by the time I even can think about act 10 🤣. But the only thing that scares me with crafting is the currency cost since I’ve found it hard to come across currency and that’s one of the main reasons why I think I couldn’t really dive into crafting.
Totally agree, I'm super annoyed that you can ignore the popup boxes that get in the way of the loot. Also tried the burial stuff, complete waste of time! But like you this also the most fun I've had in a league start
Unfortunately, if the league mechanic isn't fun (or at least decent / worth doing), it's just basically playing standard. I was super stoked to play this league after having my best ever league in Affliction, but have already quit. It's a bit deflating finding that it just isn't for me, and it's on to other games until next league.
I had 15 modifiers wiht life and fire, blocking dex base types for my RF chief. I got a Silk Armour with block recovery, tier 6 life, lightning dmg to attacks, cold dmg to spells.
Ziz...you're whining, dumb, and also correct. I love the league so far just because of all of the good changes in the patch itself. I think they will iron out the league mechanic soon and like you said the potential is massive, so I'm still excited to see where it will be in a week or 2 or 3.
I think this mechanic is really close to being one of the coolest ones, just needs some tweaking I think. The idea of customizing the monsters, making some rats and others harder is really cool, just needs rewards tied like he said
everyone has their own idea of what fun is Ggg definitely has a hard on for tediousness and suffering “Fun “ is not prioritized lol The entire graveyard mechanic of extra clicks is so poorly thought out They forget it’s just a game Not everything has to have an opportunity cost
I feel like there's 3 changes to make an easy fix for the crafting 1) Take all the "grouped" corpses, and combine them. Give them Tier 1, 2 or 3. Then you have a life tier 1 corpse, which can be use for either more common, scarcer, or less common 2) Add a corpse that lets you choose a base type. Or even better, a corpse that lets you set the base item. Make it an option on T1 armor type corpses. 3) Just make placing corpses in a coffin free. Step 1 reduces complexity and makes it easier to find the corpses you need. It doesn't change the number of corpses required to craft Step 2 lets you stick to the league mechanic, but makes finding it simpler Step 3 fixes the market, which is empty because no one wants to spend 1 chaos to find out their corpse isn't worth at least a few chaos. It also fixes the inventory issue, because people can coffin up their corpses and place them in stash tabs. If they did that, I feel like this would be my favorite crafting league.
@@jordanharrison8769 kinda skill issue in that part, you can get quite good stuff, but you need the right corpses and it's still random. it's basically an arguably more powerful fossil. but you can basically make some mods 1000 times more common, you go from a 3% to not get the mod on a fossil to a 0.07% with necropolis, that's basically 42 fossils. (it may not be the best example, but that's how most of the math checks out.) but compared to a fossil you don't have to block, so you can have better items (e.g. life+life hybrid) and you can go from a 0.1% to a 50% compared to some other crafts.
I'm still doing the campaign and I hate it. I feel like the campaign maps are triple in size and are inverted, I don't what they did, but it's not fun to spend 20 minutes in a campaign map running like crazy trying to reach the exit. Not to mention the league mechanic which is absolutely awful, you throw 100 corpses with life modifier and the result is a +5 life.
Running for 20 minutes in a campaign zone is a you problem. Out of all the things you could've complained about, you chose that. And no, the size of the zones hasn't changed.
you sometimes get rarer map layouts which can throw you off, but most maps have tells (corpses in front of the houses, stairs going up, paths, broken stones, objectives being on opposite sides ...)
They should have had more ways to craft on the mods on the monsters if they really wanted to double down on the idea. Items to tier up and tier down mods, combine mods, add and remove mods, and yeah thr powerful/rippy mods should have been tied to rewards, even if on a different mob. You can have a % chance for divine orbs but you have to put one "135% phys as extra" mod for each element on a pack in the map. That type of puzzle would have been fun trying to figure out how to make maps work. They could even have made those mods implicit on maps so you could sell maps you can't run.
The weird thing I have with the league mechanic is that it's not skippable and the ceiling it gives POE seems too low. Crucible, tota, affliction all brought ways for us to make our build special. Affliction with new spectres and ascensions, tota with tattoos on our tree, and crucible with weapon trees. I'm making a new character this league, and it feels like the gear that's "new" are from the quality of life uber changes and not the league itself.
It's honestly kind of awkward when you watch all these interviews and get hyped up with speeches about "were giving a fuck about the game" and then you get shit like this. Makes me feel what they're just putting all of their effort and manpower towards the sequel, while poe 1 skeleton crew just don't have enough time to test league mechanics. Also, if you know melee in this game is bad, how about stop nerfing it with every major patch and buff gladiator at least lol. At this point if i see crafting leagues i just loose interest immediately.
Yeah, the interviews were so promising. I believe they have vision for the game but the Necropolis' league mechanic misses the mark. The reduction in currency from Affliction league feels bad too
Your thoughts are bang on mate. It's such a shame, I have been telling my mate for years to play POE, he loved LE and so this season we were so excited to play it together. This league just makes no sense for him, on top of all the other stuff to learn and then it being unskippable it's really hard to tell if it's due to the map just being hard, or the latern making mobs stupid. Most times the map boss is easier then all the lesser mobs
I'm with you Ziz, I started POE with 3.19 and I've never seen a league mechanic that was forced on the player like this. Even now I'm still trying to learn 1-2 new things each league and I usually don't want to bother with whatever the current league mechanic is, and I can't believe these rippy mods on every map are not something the player gets to opt in to if they choose. Otherwise also spot on, the QoL and Atlas changes are S+ tier, with no league mechanic at all this would be the best league ever xD
I would expect GGG to put low level crafting bonuses near the bottom of the tree to give players a boost and it looks like they did. Geminate Haunting gives bonus corpse so you're not farming forever, Imperial Wraiths gives higher tier outcome so you're getting more chance for good rolls. That seems like a quick way to farm corpses for crafting better gear. Just because GGG makes you take a second look at your normal atlas plan doesn't mean it's bad, it's just uncomfortable because it's new. I would say only the UI needs some work this early without really changing your playing habits to exploit the league mechanic.
As a casual player it's miserable. I have yet to get a single modifier that feels rewarding and isn't just a couple extra chromatic orbs or exp, the crafting is slow and unrewarding and the massive pop ups from the corpses are annoying and disrupting .
I'm pretty much in agreement, I LOVE the league outside of the grave crafting. I hope they can hotfix or patch it, simply give us more agency over base types and honestly maybe just make it a bit more deterministic. Oh and the 64 corpse limit feels so, SO awful!😂 However, the league outside of this has been very kind to me. Day 2 of league I managed to get two Nameless Seer spawns on my map device, the first gave me an Ancestral Vision jewel, and the second gave me Kalandra's Touch. I've also just had quite a lot of luck, Devouring Diadem from my first Catarina, all the stuff that NEVER happens to me in SSF. So going to trade paid off.
nobody selling corpses because they cost 1c, which you need to HAVE IN INVENTORY TO BUY?! You are 100% just losing a chaos orb because you expect nobody will buy it. The interface to put the corpse into the coffin takes forever and feels clunk.
Gotta love how last league they said that the problem wasnt that the league mechanic was too deadly, but the fact that players took on more than they could handle, but they kindaa forgot to add a fucking leave button, and this league they said they want players to choose exactly how hard they want their experience to be and then they made the mechanic unskippable. I swear to god its like its opposite day at GGG. The fact that they buffed DD is just icing on the cake.
Think if it was a crafting station instead of how it is rn it would've been significantly more usable. Have it let you create an item or harvest style reroll an item, and let the corpse mods of same type stack so it's neater. You should be able to hold a mod of every type at once instead of the current 64 capacity where multiple of the same mod each takes up a space, this makes organizing and removing corpses a nightmare too. Have it show you a list of your mods, and then upon selecting the mod, it opens a drop down that lets you select what corpse you want to use that has the mod.
I very much agree. Playing BroSF with some friends, and mostly our experience is that it's just making the game harder as a baseline, the positive mods aren't really obviously rewarding, and the crafting is still too random to be useful.
Honestly, I love the core changes, and don't mind them trying to implement new ways to craft stuff. Even though the leagues a miss, the core changes are good because of years of feedback, and giving the league feedback makes me think it can have potential. Here's to hoping, I'm thoroughly enjoying 3.24 as a whole
The easiest way to fix this league is to just give players the option to turn it off. It is a lantern. Lantern on. Lantern off. It is that simple. If GGG doesn't want to go that route, then a mandatory league should offer mandatory power or rewards. It isn't fun to just have a league mechanic that offers difficulty, but no potential reward for it. On one hand, I understand that GGG doesn't want another Affliction League. But on the other, I have to ask, is that so bad? Seriously, for all the "complaints" on Affliction League, that boiled down to "inflation economy", Affliction is the best league we've had in years when talking about numbers and retention. And I don't understand GGG's complete averse reaction to those metrics.
To be fair...for progress purposes every corpse represents a rare item for a slot of your choosing. So in principle the mechanic can help you bootstrap your equipment through campaign and early mapping with basically no thought involved.
honestly, i'd love the interface where when you click the craft button that tells you all the mods that effect the craft, give me more info, like hey, these mods can't roll anymore because the base is this high, and the chance of a mod rolling after all those mods, like, +200 life rating and 1000% increased chance, this is the chance you get for a mod to roll, and these are the minimum tier you can roll
First craft of the league at end game I made a belt 98 max life, 42 mana, 12% increased flask mana recovery rate, 38 fire res, 35 lit res, 44 str in a rustic sash. You can make some good stuff in there but item bases is definitely a problem with belts, rings and amulets. They probably could fix it if you could put the base in a box instead of selecting what to craft before you hit the craft button and people could use suppression fractured bases and abyssal belts and things like that. Might be too OP tbh if you could do that though. P.S. let us have way more bodies in the morgue and make the league mechanic optional.
Mark "Crafting is difficult in PoE, so any chance I can get to remove items such as veiled chaos, I will take that opportunity." Also Mark, "Crafting in PoE is difficult? Hold my beer, here is Necropolis crafting! Get your spreadsheets ready!"
What they should do was to pop up a screen that shows the possibility of the craft. Not alot maybe 3 blur gear with a range of hidden stat choices and maybe a smaller fix stat that you can see a range of. As you put more corpses it changes so people can choose and have a bit of control over it.
OMG!!! Thank you!!! Here I am looking at this mechanic of crafting items like a trivially better alchemy orb...like, why would I go to this much trouble for so little? I could be chasing divines right now and getting better return. Felt like I was the only one who felt like the crafting was terrible.
What should happen is all of the corpses are auto picked up, and you can have an infinite number of corpses. Then when you go to bury them you almost craft of exile an item in a menu (it warns you if you don't have the correct corpses to provide anything close to that outcome) and it either tells you the chance you have to actually roll something similar or not. There really just needs to be a more user friendly aspect when it comes with the crafts. I think the worst slap in the face is that I have to click on all of the corpses, I only can have 64, and then I realize I don't have the ones I like while being out of room.
Totally agree with the "No clear/easy middle ground for crafting". Also, not seeing much gain for buffing the monsters in map. Maybe I have to take the atlas passive nodes? But seems like a lot more riskier in HC for barely any gain(except when you hit the lotto and get one of the good gold mods) It almost seems like the middle ground for crafting was to simply spam 1 corpse at a time, and in QA they found this, so to patch it they gave him a 10 second channel time for each craft to make this a lot less appealing.
I'm fairly certain that his channel time is linked to how many corpses are involved in a craft. I made a few quick ones early on and the channel was maybe 3s long. And even with little investment a map can drop a ton of corpses. The "25% chance to drop 2 corpses" node is reeeeally good.
Don't worry, it's also completely unrewarding with total atlas investment lol. I just made a helmet with a full row and full column of haunted modifier corpses boosted by row/column corpses. It didn't get a haunted modifier. It's just going to be a mega lottery of hoping to get a fractured haunted affix on a good base. For any actual item crafting, existing systems like fossils/essences/harvest/even Rog are just better and require way less time/annoyance. Similar to you, I got the divine thing on a map once, and I got one good item from nameless seer another time. Otherwise, it's just felt like rippier maps all around.
I started PoE in Affliction league and loved it. This mechanic is beyond absurd. They've made every level into a map, with different modifiers, next to no rewards. I did the campaign twice in Affliction, I didn't make it out of Act I this league and I'm not going back until GGG makes this game more approachable for casual players. This league was made for the professionals and the hardcore gamers. This is feedback GGG has been getting for quite some time, and I feel like the response from playing PoE 2 and now this league are not being heard by GGG.
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The problem is, it's the wrong kind of complicated: No one can tell me that it's fun to sort out 60 corpses for a single item craft that has a reasonable chance to being bad anyways. Its so much hassel for a randomized result its descouraing honestly.
I feel like anyone defending the corpse shit is just trying to be difficult. It's just straight trash of a mechanic.
@@Ugly_Single_Near_You-jw2erI love the concept of it, but I absolutely think they botched the execution big-time.
how is it randomized u are literally controlling the craft i hv seen few ppl who dont keep complaining actually make good items
@@vulcanz1327 ''Controlling the craft'' Me who wants a lightning wand takes %800 lightning modifiers+similiar shit gets a fuck in Tier 25 Accuracy without a single Lightning mod.Yeah its ''Controlled'' alright...
@@zbroman damn then that's bs cause I got what I wanted
Not being able to choose the base is a big blunder. Just allowing us to pick the base or input one of our own would massively improve the mechanic. As it stands, needing to input corpses just to manipulate the base that drops adds needless complexity to the graveyard and makes it worse than every other crafting mechanic available
Rog is based
The base being random is definitely an issue but to me it's still at the bottom of the list.
The user experience is horrible. You have what, 50-ish graves that you gotta fill manually 1 by 1? With a list that you have to constantly scroll around or search because the mods are not really grouped together except for level. And the search doesn't even persist if you go to the next grave, so you have to type "fire" or whatever constantly.
And because there are so many graves, every single grave has a very small contribution to the final item. And since very few things actually guarantee anything, only increase the chances, it feels frustrating that your desired outcome is still so incredibly unlikely even if you spend all that time filling every single grave.
Imo the whole thing should have been a dozen or so graves with each being meaningful (that way slamming 3 or 4 corpses for an ok-ish leveling/early mapping item would be much more feasible).
Also don't drown me in corpses that have modifiers so low that I don't even want to pick them up cause 64 spots really isn't that much in the current system.
And ideally, you should be able to do it like TOTA when selecting your team, where you get a completely new screen that shows you all graves at once rather than this cumbersome manual work. Would be way more realistic with fewer graves too.
@@Sniperfuchs I feel it would have been much better if the level of a corpse only affected the weight or magnitude of its mod. Having to throw away ones like "+1 explicit modifier" just because it will drag the item's level down is asinine, just tie the resulting item's level to the character.
Enjoy your 14 armor iron greaves with perfect rolls 😂
This is what I thought it was goong to be. I thought we were going to be able to bury our base in one of the graves.
Even if the league crafting does get really strong it shouldn't take days of farming to get enough of just the right beast to slowly click through 64 different beasts and craft one item that may or may not be good. There are a lot of crafting options that are easier and less time-consuming to craft needed gear.
The item most likely won't be good lol. The crafting seems to be more tied to how loot drops vs the type of guaranteed crafting you can find elsewhere
Even original Harvest wasn't this bad. At least you could force an exact result by pre-crafting certain mods to remove them from the pool, this is entirely RNG with elements that are entirely ambiguous.
@@utmastuh You can somewhat reliably force T1-3 mods, so it's really not that bad. Especially for armour items where you can somewhat force bases it's honestly really good. You can just have one crafting project in the works over the course of several maps.
The worst part about the system is mainly that it does take time. Crafting anything with less than half a graveyard is essentially a waste. If it was possible to get better result with less corpses it would feel a lot better, simply because it wouldn't feel like a waste.
this league is bulshite, i had ele scarcers, and cold, fire and lightning scarcer...the fucking result had 3 ele modifiers! wtf like if i had maybe one i would be ok, not to mention it didnt give me phys modifiers which i put about 600-700 of it. that really pissed me off
they fumbled yet again. not to mention another fucking nerf to builds and oooh yeah buffed the mobs yet again.
GGG has an issue with balancing for the top 1%. Time and time again it feels awful.
They balance for the extreme outcomes so the average experience suffers.
They pay way too much attention to streamers. The whole "separate queue for streamers" debacle proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt, the constant balancing around said streamers is just icing on the cake. While I don't want them to take the dumbed-down Blizzard approach to balance of just ignoring hardcores altogether, they need to be looking at the top 10%, not the tiny handful of people who are literally paid to play their game 24/7, corner the market in RMT, or run in full groups.
It's a consequence of a trade economy where even 5% of the playerbase can 'flood' the market with good items if you make crafting easier, even if the other 95% can't figure it out or hate it... hence the super heavy reliance of RNG in the 'crafting'. I will die on the hill that we need a SSF mode with bonuses geared towards casual players who don't want SSF as a challenge, but a reprieve from gameplay for the sake of maximal currency gain. I still believe this is why harvest was so popular. The PoE trade economy has the same psychological impact as p2w in games: you reduce all of your game time into currency per hour rather than fun (instead of $s, in PoE we do it in divines).
This mechanic does 100% feel designed specifically for streamers. Extremely high knowledge and time requirement for potentially a large reward. I feel like non streamers just exist to sell corpses to streamers for this mechanic. It just isn't fun.
@@Murbzits fun but undertuned, we should select base better than using corpse. Why i craft not minion ring playing minions
Good, sick of games becoming Diablo 3. Catering to lowest common denominator ruins every game that requires an ounce of thought. Look at Diablo, paradox games, wow
😢Had to delete some corpses for the first time as my morgue was full. Decided to just delete all the 'fire' mod ones as no good for my build. Opened list, searched 'fire' to filter all the fire corpses then hit delete. First corpse deleted then removed the search filter so had to re-enter it EVERY SINGLE TIME!!
Who playtested this?!?!
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This is kinda what happens when you force your devs to a 3 month work schedule that has, MULIPLE TIMES, caused them to ship untested and underdeveloped content.
Funny how any time GGG has had to delay a league by a month, the next one goes smoothly and is well received. Almost as if 4 months of dev time allows them to get everything they need done properly, huh... But na, 3 months is optimal for the best profit and retention.
@@SunnyBloop Idk how you can think that's how it works. They don't wait til a league releases to work on the next one the day after; they are always working on the next few leagues months out.
@@SunnyBloop The last 5 leagues have been on the longer ~4 month schedule.
Necropolis league 2024-03-29
Affliction league 2023-12-08
Ancestor league 2023-08-18
Crucible league 2023-04-07
Sanctum league 2022-12-09
Kalandra league 2022-08-19
@@SunnyBloopyou know the drill: never change a running system!
"If you have given us an unskippable league mechanic, that you have to fully invest into for it to be good, that'd be really fucking frustrating." - ziz
i find the league mechanic itself when it comes to maps very good, easy to make money. Crafting just feels undertuned, you should be able to pick bases way easier and they should explain mods more. What does +50 to something mean, nobody knows. I blocked all elemental bases except fire and i got a minnion wand...
Not to mention, the fact that the league mechanic on the atlas is literally at the 4 corners of the tree, you need to waste so many points travelling everywhere.
can't expect a good league from a bunch of dudes looking likes they're gay. just look at most of GGG devs i mean.....
@@C0kePlaza This potentially would have been a really good league to introduce players to more nuanced crafting concepts. More explanation in game on mod weightings, etc. Something that would provide at least a basic framework in game that can get people more engaged. It doesn't all have to be about the top tier crafts, but getting people on that journey of crafting more gear for all levels/stages of the game.
@@C0kePlaza Yeah, I'd be perfectly fine with the bulk of the mechanic being enemies in my maps getting buffed and giving me extra rewards, while just ignoring the crafting shit while occasionally selling a high value corpse.
I think everyone would be a lot happier with it if it was optional... Just put a switch on the map device (that can't be interacted with if you have a map in there) that lets you enable/disable the lantern. That's it. I want to experience all of the cool new endgame content with scarabs and the new fragments, but each map is such a slog now.
Yeap to me that would be the perfect solution or at least give me a node in the atlas like "No negative mods positive mods have 50% less magnitude". So I don't get like 20% pen with 80% of phys as extra. Bro I don't like dying I have 90% res in softcore that mod literally triples the damage I take T_T
Back in Scourge league we had the Blood Crucible, a device that you accessed from your inventory to interact with the league mechanic. Perhaps the Lantern of Arimor could be switched on/off from the inventory instead.
I don’t want it to be optional otherwise this is just standard. I just want it to be way better and we get to preview what we are crafting to a certain extent. This is like harvest but waaaaaay more investment before you see results.
@scrambledflan5851 my thing is I'm still newer to the game. My favorite thing about wildwood was being able to choose when to turn it on and off. I'm still not great at the game. And having 5 juiced mobs in t5 white maps while I don't even have good gear or a 6l yet is very difficult for me, when that same reward is like 1% alteration chance cause I'm low map tier and low knowledge. Just having a simple toggle would allow me to gear and progress at my speed rather than being forced into really really hard stuff I'm not ready for yet.
@@Blestyr Scourge was one of my favorite leagues ever. I remember giga juicing and farming headhunter cards in the tower map it was awesome!!
If I need an excel spreadsheet and an in depth understanding of weight blocking, two hours of study, three hours of gathering items, and a 1/10 flip to get the right base in order to maybe get a good item...
I'll just go play Last Epoch.
GGG really missed the mark on this league.
Yea man, this is a Rog league but WAY worse in every possible way.
fr. just let us pick the base and it'll be a MASSIVE improvement
No you don't. This is so funny. You really need an excel sheet to know how to reduce bad mods and increase good mods?
@@Sammysapphira reducing the odds for lets say a cold mod by 50 doesnt mean it had a 0% chance. If u want to actually make usable gear, yes you would need to do the math of everything. Otherwise why not use any other craft method?
Let’s ignore everything else they did to change the game though. What a moronic take
Sentinals was a crafting league and everyone loved recomb itens. that was one of the best experiences i created my fisrt +2 level amulete in that league.
Sentinel was the best league in the history of the game. So much to do and the items you could craft were fun. Key word fun. I had 3 level 100s that league. Because I was having fun lol. Hopefully they simply the crafting in this league and make rares drop stuff. They need to stop screwing around with fun. We don’t play these games to not have fun
I wouldn't consider Sentinel to be a crafting league. Juicing up monsters in the map was hugely profitable and fun. Sure it had a crafting element, but it had actual in-map gameplay. Almost every league has some element of crafting in it. But the current one is almost exclusively crafting. It's just menus. There's nothing in the actual map other than some mobs that are harder.
It was too fun right, can't have that permanently. They rather put convoluted 9 to 5 job style gaming in
Sentinel the main focus was juicing with a side of crafting. This league it’s the opposite
"+1 link up to a four link" is a hilarious mod. Like... that's leveling bait. Literally made obsolete by orb of binding, one of the cheapest and most ignored currency drops in the game.
It's fine for making levelling/early map items. I made some great stuff to get into maps. It's obviously not relevant after that point, but not everything has to be there for making your perfect 6L item.
I believe there’s a corpse to increase the max linkages so the combination can be used to make 5 and 6 links too
I feel that one is mostly used in addition to the 5 and 6 link version to get a 6 link
The +1 up to four is counted with other simmialr effect like +1 up to five. So 4x +1 up to four and one +1 up to five is a garanteed five link
You can pair it with the 5l one and get a free 5l haven't seen a 6l one but I'd assume you can then pair that with the 6l 1
What I hate the most is the limited amount of bodies I can store. Just make the number of graves smaller but let me hold infinite corpses.
Otherwise it's just a corpse inventory management simulator, and that's not what I want to spend my time doing.
Chris needs to accept that POE players are packrats and give us much more storage space and the ability to organize things related to the league mech.
Its probably beastiary problem all over again. Instead of keeping mods in a simple table, they probably used some overcomplicated memory stash method and its too heavy on server performance, so they had to limit it to -27- 64.
Atm league mechanic feels to me like overcomplicated Rog crafting.
Basically, just imagine you have to go through 60 steps and the end result is damn near guaranteed to be shit anyway...
Truuuuu
and the sad part is its way worse lmao
U just can’t have a 3 month only league as a crafting league and make the crafting system worse then other crafting systems in the game. Once someone makes a corpse calculator it will be pretty easy to force some of the mods u want but it’s still just a bad crafting mechanic. It’s not fun to interact with and u honestly need a spreadsheet and craft of exile up on your second monitor to interact with it.
Rog respects your time. Rog gives you good crafts. Rog doesn't make you farm for ages and he crafts with you multiple times per session.
Rog is love!Rog is life!
Filch from Harry Potter is not Rog!
Im not a crafter myself so this mechanic is extremly overwhelming for me but im trying to learn. The thing that anoys me the most are those corpse tooltips that mostly overlay the dropped loot.
PoEDB dropped an update for necropolis. Go Modifiers -> Modifiers -> Choose your base -> add all of stats in your necro -> press calculate button. Its gonna calculate which mods got removed/which mods you can get. You can click certain mods just to check what you can get in each category.
Oh nice, thank you.@@kostya555666
Optional league mechanic and crafting what you want would be the fix.
I would throw in some incredibly rare crafting mods like: 6 link, 6 white sockets, turn base item into unique, 30% quality's etc.
My first impression was in how much harder the campaign was. Just thinking how a new player coming into this league, with no way to skip the mechanic that makes the campaign much more difficult, would probably turn a lot of people off. This game already has a high bar for just getting started, why did they need to make it so much more difficult, and mandatory?
Ikr, I was going through A1 Mud Flats and was like wtf is going on? Do I suck at this game all of sudden? Then I read the modifiers on the lantern thing....
If i was new i would uninstall in like 20 minutes max
I'm new to this game and this is my first time playing it. The start few areas were a little slog but am in act 5. Currently having fun but have no idea about anything lol. Just following a detonate dead build idea 😂
@@torvic1236you're bad lol it's not as hard as you make it out to be😂😂
@@Sharksm1leyou're probably bad at game then because it wasn't as hard as you're implying once you put the hardest modifiers on the weakest monster or the ones with reduced pack size . I swear following a build guide and looking to content creators has made people more lazy and expect that a build guide will make the game more easier for you.
Just make Recombinators drop again. Best crafting mechanic they ever introduced
The last thing we needed was another crafting league
hard agree! I hope they buff early game gravecrafting A LOT & rework the way harmful/rewarding mods are attached to different monsters making it silly (harmless monsters being the most rewarding ones currently)
Piotr Maciejczak sigma
I think Kripp said it best when he said if you don't click on the Necro orb then the map should just be normal. Then they can tweak the mechanic over the next few weeks to work.
Nope, you always run the league mechanic. Zero way to avoid it.
@@crazycdn8327 he said ggg should add a temporary fix so that you can disable league before entering an area while they repolish things
@@crazycdn8327 Yes thats what he said. If you dont click on it it SHOULD just be a normal map.
@@xXBenutzer235Xx But it auto pops up when I start a map, with no option to close it just "enter". Though I've been known not to see things directly in front of me in the refrigerator too so maybe I'm just blind?
@@crazycdn8327 No you are absolutely right, there is no way to skip it but you are just not understanding what we are saying. We are saying that there SHOULD BE an option. It would be good if there was the option to just ignore the mechanic by not clicking the orb. We want it to be optional.
I think you're completely correct with what you mentioned, the POTENTIAL within the system means they're doing all this effort to make that so hard to achieve for balance, but 99.999% of the playerbase doesn't even really like to deal with crafting at all, much less min maxing a 60 spot graveyard, for players with no interest/know how for current crafting it's literally more worth it to do anything for currency and buy from crafters off trade, and that large amount of players are the ones at the moment getting forced every map to play with more difficulty for little/no reward and corpses they don't even care to interact with
The reason poe is best arpg is due to crafting, the crafting isn't that bad once you understand the modifiers. If most people didn't want to try new things they would have quit the game years ago.
I personally think crafting is really fun and know at least enough basics to understand how strong the mechanic could be, but it's definitely (if unfortunate) a valid point that people who barely want to craft with an essence or try to make their own item from a fractured base etc, aren't going to like going from loot pinata affliction to craftofexile open on another monitor calculating how many %s on how many bodys they have and still need to make a usable item @@thekvng201
All I want is an opt in / out of the league mechanic. I hate being forced into these things, and as far as the crafting goes. I've no idea how to use it effectively, the UI makes it super confusing too.
it is not that hard but still garbage need a few fixes
You can just not use it. Not that hard
@@chozengaming8547 Theres still mobs that get buffed by the league mechanic, cant opt out of those.
@@rori354 the entire game is killing mobs. What's the issue?
@@chozengaming8547 Yes, and? We're talking about wether you can opt out of the league mechanic. The issue is that you cant choose since the league mechanic buffs monsters. I don't mind it personally but I know some people don't like it.
Not being unskippable is the worst part for me. Even in affliction if you accidentally entered wildwood there's ways to get out of it without having to juice and increase difficulty.
Also why can't we have button to discard/delete corpses when they drop, instead of having the npc show up just to open our corpse list.
GGG: instructions unclear, Necropolis is going core, removed rog and harvest as a result. this is a buff.
I am scared of this too. Like: fossil crafting better than Necro crafting? Well, lets nerf fossil crafting. Necro crafting suddenly isn't that bad anymore eh? /GGG logic.
I mean they did nerfed Essences and Harvest by removing most important Atlas nodes for them and compasses, re-introducing both as scarabs that are so rare, it’s not worth to use them and rather sell, since the pool is diluted
I was playing a minion build, was trying to use the league mechanic to alch wands to try and get a minion wand.... didn't get a single minion wand using all of my corpses. Cool.
Yeah, that's my very frustration as well.
The wand with the skull head on it, for more minion damage?
I tried about 30 times yesterday. And it kept giving me a basic rare wand with spell damage or something I didn't want.
Pretty irritating
There's a corpse specficially that says "creates a minion wand" so my guess is if you don't have that, you'll never make a minion wand.
@@Majindrono you use mods to guide the crafting. You can use craft of exile and method of elimination to get the wand you want. Minion mods increase your chances of getting a minion wand.
Interesting 🤔 I have yet to see that corpse myself, or even a mod that says minion wand or anything..I'll just keep grinding .
I ended up just buying one in act 2 from a merch. Lol
Defeating the whole purpose of the crafting in the league but oh well I guess.
I tired too but no luck until I ended up getting my + 1 convoking wand off the ground from a random monster drop.🙄
I wish i could remove corpses from dropping in exchange for doubling the rates of allflames and positive monster modifiers.
I want to enjoy the league. As it stands how I will be crafting like I do every league, and not even really interacting with the graveyard. Not being able to choose my bases when I need very specific bases just seems like a complete waste of time. I agree if they're going to add tougher mobs in maps you can't avoid, they need to be rewarding. Linking difficulty to rewards its 100% fine for me. but 100% downside with 0% upsides doesn't really make sense.
technically there's an upside but it's not visible, higher tier of difficult mods drops better corpses. (instead of 100% you might get 500% increased)
The crafting thing could be terrible all league and it wouldn't bother me. Bad leagues happen. It will probably get buffed or figured out. I am not worried about that.
What greatly concerns me is the mandatory increased difficulty for near no rewards. I worry this is a philosophy thing that will go core. I know it is meme'd at this point, but it feels like another crack at AN. Just a harder game to slow down the player for no increased rewards. How many times do we have to tell GGG that we don't want this? All the lip service about learning from past failures just feels like a lie at this point. If this is the vision you want, stop hiding from it. Take the 30-40% player loss and make the game you want to make.
I swear to god people just want Diablo 3 to happen again lol.
@@acksawblack Sick strawman dude! I expect as much.
I need GGG to understand that I am an adult with a job, and that most of the people playing this game are adults with jobs. I think this game is fascinating and I want to get into it more, but I am simply not able to play the game 40 hours a week. I love to progress my character, but the amount of grinding required to access the content of this game is not practical when balanced with a real-life schedule of work.
(for me specifically, I'd also like to be able to do OTHER THINGS WITH MY FREE TIME than just grind this game. am I alone here? what do you think?)
I'd love to see league mechanics where you can basically target farm items for your character. This is simply my opinion, but considering most players quit after the first two weeks of the league anyway, I think it would be a good idea to make end-game characters more achievable for the average player (specifically, the amount of time that the average player is able to invest in the game).
What a bizarre take. You absolutely don't need to play 40 hours a week to get into this game and do all the content that the game offers, especially if you play trade league. The reason this game is as good as it is and it has that much content is that it's not designed for the average player, it's aligned with it's monetization strategy.
I'm lucky if I have 20 hours of gaming a week... and I like playing other games too. This league mechanic definitely slowed my access to maps.
I say this with no disrespect: this game isn't for you. It's not for me either, anymore; I am a beta PoE supporter, so I've been around a while.
The game is what it is, and hasn't and will not change. I walked away (though I still lurk and peek from the outside), and I recommend you accept it for what it is and/or walk away.
@trad5479 😂. Let's not pretend you don't have to no life this game if you hope to see the end game content.
You had time for an essay......
If Ziz or any other content creator doesnt know what to do with the league mechanic or thinks its underwhelming, than 95% of the playerbase isnt gonna have a clue what to do with it either or aren't gonna interract with it at all.
They also need to raise or remove the cap on corpses in the morgue it feels like they expected us to be crafting 3-4 items at once and not that we would be using 20-30 corpses for 1 craft once we had everything
Just wish GGG wasn't so invested in the top 1%'ers and endgame, for a scrub like me I would like to see a little more love for the early-mid game.
This whole league feel like a punishment for the 3.23 ..... "You had fun ? You had loot ? time to pay the bill ... what about getting killed with 1 hit in t1 map by a magic pack as a freaking EA Champ ? "
So it wasn't just me? I was humbled real fast with a T1 map and I just thought I forgot how to play.
Is that not normal my jugg died alot to projectiles in 3.23
@@Ugly_Single_Near_You-jw2er definitely not just you
the first mob in my first map was a unique mob with 4 ghosts that leapslammed and 1-shot me, cost me 6 portals :)
I failed to clear t1 map as Carrion Golem Elementalist bruh. That never happened before. Boss got touched by 2 spirits and there was an essence mod on it as well 😂😂
I haven't even gotten a single item from the league crafting that is better than stuff I was picking up off the ground before Act 10. Even when putting in a ton of corpses, because as you mentioned, the good corpses are borderline unobtainable, and there's no way to target a usable base. I hope they improve it, which I think they could just by adding more ways to target bases and tweaking the drop rates so we aren't getting 69420 dog tier corpses to fill up our 64-capacity graveyard, and never seeing anything good.
Or they could do all that and massively buff the crafting and make coffins free and in the UI, and also buff drops and nerf the most dangerous mods, fix the graveyard UI and simplify the crafting.
Also, there are corpse mods that "improve" the base item by skewing to "higher base level requirement," but this really only works for armor items where the base isnt absolutely crucial.. with weapons, and jewelrly, youre typically looking for a very specific base item.
5000% extra damage for every monster alive for no profit is so cool and fun. I'm glad the smart people at GGG decided to put this into the game, great league!
Getting everyone ready for forced Ruthless-lite in PoE 2 😂
Notice how you can’t skip this league mechanic right?
I got 9 div from a single random map with the "2% chance to drop a divine orb" mod and that increased my net worth like 4x when I got it
This is just another league i'll be skipping the mechanics, it's the 4th one.
Just give me something similar to ritual, legion or any form of "go kill mobs, get paid" instead of "go get items, craft, hope for RNG, it's shit, fuck, try again, >>> , get paid"
Yeah crafting leagues are shite.
Agreed, Blight & Delirium were my favorite by far, so much currency.
I don't think the league itself is necessarily that bad, it's fine for a league mechanic to not be obligatory. The issue here is that there is almost no borrowed power. So it's less "I don't like crafting", more "there isn't anything worth doing that will get you anywhere near the last league's borrowed power". If the league mechanic was the same but there were random drops that gave you as much power as the last league would anyone care so much? Probably not, the issue is it being an overall nerf league.
@@zeriel9148the league mechanic needs to be better than the core game to get people to come back and stick around a while. Otherwise there's no point in the league at all
@@utmastuh I think there is enough players who would ignore a new league mechanic if it was bad and avoidable
This has been the fastest I've ever quit a league.
Being forced to interact with an un-fun, oppressive mechanic every single map stole all desire to play 😢
Same buddy. I am usually an all content player by the end of the first week and have 3-4k hours in game, but around act 7+ almost getting one shot on many occasions in hardcore made we seriously question the direction this game is going. I didn't have fun from level 50-80, so I haven't logged in the last two days.
i dont understand. i havent gotten to maps, are the mobs insane or what? it doesnt seem that hard
@@kurt7937 sometimes it can get a bit ridiculous. But it's quite chill but crafting is bad.
@@kurt7937 mods on maps can already be pretty dangerous. Paired with Necro mods like 125 extra cold dmg + 20% cold pen is fking insane.
I've died way way more in this league to basic mobs than in any league before. You'll be fine for 80% of the map, and then one pack will kill you instantly
@@steamfeuverIdk how they thought players will 'have fun' reading and customizing the mobs with horrible mods. Like we have the time to read and decide which mob gets which mod... truly frustrating. Campaign was nothing compared to maps imho. Just hope this mechanic never makes it to core.
I got a POE RMT ad on this video, LoL.
Same lmao
If I could skip the mechanic like EVERY OTHER LEAGUE, I'd be pretty happy. I can choose to interact with it once ive got my atlas mostly done and some currency farmed to deal with all the crazy damage mods. You can't always put "more projectiles" on a zombie. Often the mods are just damage damage crit and theres no way to negate it outside of the frog embers which spoiler alert, dont drop commonly lol. At this point i just want the kirac vault pass completed and ill go back to Helldivers :(
I don't like not being able to opt out of the mechanic, I am really unlucky with drops. I don't have my resistances capped and I can't get currency/drops to save my life, so having a league mechanic that one shots me every map I go into makes me want to drop this league real soon.
How is this even possible? No matter my build my resistances are almost always capped or I use a flask with the modifier, "use once charges are full" or purity of elements after Act 10. Drops come from juicing the maps and rinse and repeat. With no investment I had 300+ chaos orbs and about 30 divines and didn't pass T9 maps😂😂
@@thekvng201op is a bot
@@flexrumblecrunch9140 😂😂
@@ArnoldsKtm If I can't get alchs,chaos or any other currency to drop it's kinda hard to craft. Glad you read everything I wrote...
@@ArnoldsKtm Very well could be, doesn't change the fact that the league mechanic has made everything more rippy. played last league with out being res capped at the end of act 10 and continued into maps to build them out just fine. I was able to skip going into the wild wood till I was prepared enough. Not the case with this league, but sure disregard my opinion and experiences cause I don't sweat enough in a game to be on " Your Level".
Reminds me of Scourge; the *potential* for krangled items was insane but in practice it just wasn't worth going through all the hassle to sort the one in a million that was good from the trash. GGG seems to often balance a very high ceiling by also creating an extremely low floor.
Yeah, and I think it's because they are afraid people will get bored if they reach a certain level of done-ness too soon into the league. Unfortunately, the way to fix that does not include the foot-shotgun of un-skippable difficulty-raising mechanics combined with a very tedious and poorly-realized UI experience for the crafting and corpse harvesting/management.
The UI for corpses needs to be cleaned up big time. Just let me select a bunch at once. The mods should also be optional, you should have a pool of mods and rewards, and to add a reward you have to pick a -mod. The higher tier the mod, the more it buffs the rewards. Maybe you get a guaranteed corpse for wiping out that enemy type, so you can see how worth it it would be.
One of the most frustrating things about the league mechanic is not being able to edit your morgue easily.
When you reach max mods it's a pain in the ass imo
Love the video! i appreciate that you as a Veteran Player still speak up for the newbies. This is my first league playing POE and been using your 5 hour long beginners guide video, which honestly felt like a necessity to be able to play this game. Crafting is allot and i agree with everything you've said and the mechanic aesthetic is cool the idea is as well but i have no way of really understanding what can or cant even be crafted on an item and whether or not im just throwing away stats because i crafted it on something that cant even yeild those affects if that makes any sense. In all honesty as a new player im completely confused as to how to use the mechanic to help my build and which corpse are even worth picking up. this league mechanic seems contradictory to the interview you just had and how the devs said they are trying to make things simpler
I am a New player with 200 hours Thais season Will be the First I Go for map 17 Thais league mecânic does not bother me
You have 200 hours this season? or in general because the season hasnt been out long enough for that and if you have 200 hours in the game your not a new player at that point?@@daniloribeiro5372
I dont think Ive ever nope'd out of a league so quickly since maybe the shitstorm that was beast launch
Scourge was nuts
I'm back to play Helldivers. GGG made me drop ARPGs for a minute after Last Epoch was so good. Embarassing
Same. Stopped playing in the 80's hc trade. The game is way more scary in no damage mods white and yellows that it feels like the gauntlet again. I play self created builds that are usually slower to get off the ground, but are competitive with investment. This league has been excessively punishing for not playing the meta.
I am still alive and will probably give it another shot if they make the mechanic optional, but I doubt that will be the solution.
@@TreesPlease42 I quit scourge first week, then my friend made me come back like a month in and we group mf-d, made like an insane int stacker as an end of league project there, you could make some very cool items.
@@fuzzygreentitshelldivers is so boring
I reached 92 without getting a nameless seer once. Honestly the league has been very vanilla to me.
Huh. I just had one twice in act 2. The power of RNGesus is real.
Said it like it should be a common thing...
I was going to give up LE for a while to try this league, im glad I waited
LE is good. It's in a better place than many other ARPGs on launch and it's going to be great eventually. I just don't see how someone can get more than 60 hours or so out of it right now. There's not a whole lot going on.
@@fredwin I agree, but it's in its infancy ATM and we'll just have to wait for future cycles to slowly add up similarly to POE's dev life.
I find the most fun out of LE by trying out silly alt builds from crafted legendaries and farming monos is fun to do while watching something on a second monitor.
@@slowlearner46 No, absolutely. I enjoyed my time with it very much. I just don't prescribe to the idea of it being a replacement for PoE or anything in the short term or even next while.
I agree with you on the overly random manner in which grave-crafting happens.
It's natural to want consistency and predictability in the outcome. Especially if one invests a lot of input parameters / conditions (corpses) in order to narrowly select specific things.
Also there's no feedback on if your pattern of burials is appropriate for the desired outcome before you click the Go Button, and once you've buried something, you cannot remove it to fix the pattern and you will basically waste that and all the other materials on a dud pattern. This alone makes the process a very trial and error thing that burns through the limited supply of corpses on hand and just increases the frustration.
Having to navigate the graves and corpses is a huge pain in the a$$. They really need to streamline and automate necropolis mechanics. Corpse acquisition should be automatic when I walk near it rather than blocking my screen. Navigating the list of corpses should be auto organized with a search feature or assigned categories. Placing of corpses should be automatic we should just select at the start that all corpses should be connected and then everyone we pick gets auto buried. If you want to bury a separate corpse disconnected from the others there could be a button for separate corpse craft.
I'm basically playing standard with a mandatory halt every 10 minutes to burn unneeded corpses or make an underwhelming item.
what's saving the league from being a total write-off is that the base game is solid and provides a good amount of variety. but if they don't do something to make the league mechanic less of a chore, I'll probably burn out in a week or 2 after finishing my atlas.
for context, I played the previous league past the end of month 2
I wish it was something you could opt out of. Making it mandatory mechanic but also putting it in the atlas feels horrible. Also setting up the lantern before every map gets annoying really fast, and the fact that it can brick your map is horrid.
GGG Please make every "Debuff" equaly rewarding and the League mechanic optional.
Hot take: I think the biggest problem is 1c for a coffin.
If it was free or cheap then people would flood the market with corpses to see what sells and the crafters and theory crafters would have a lot more to work with as the market establishes itself. But 1c for one single corpse base cost means any craft has to be worth lots more than that if you are buying and selling the parts.
Who would even waste their time with that. Would be terrible to buy in bulk, fossils etc are much much faster to craft with, and easier to buy. You would lose div/hr from even trying to craft with that.
Fixed!
As a new player (2nd char 1st was on back in crucible) I had no idea how to change the modifiers or open the lantern menu. I played without knowing and used the necropolis to craft higher level rare items. It was enjoyable and now I main Poe ❤
As incredible as ggg are at creating complex systems for build making and being able to play the way you want, the complexity completly lets them down when it comes to crafting. Its like they're scared to let the majority of players understand the way crafting works because they want people to buy items instead, would it be so bad to SIMPLIFY crafting instead of making it so rng and unbearable.
i can tell the end game could be good or OP at some point, but the major problem is players does have a hard transition time before enjoying the new mechanic which make the early game bored and tons of frustration.
Some of the devoted modifiers are really insane but I havent gotten a single good craft yet
Thank you for this. As a new player (started PoE 6 weeks ago towards the end of Affliction League), I've struggled with this new league a bit. Having to ensure the area/level I'm going into to ensure the modifiers are not going to work against me is beyond frustrating especially when playing with multiple players in tandem. Beyond flasks, I barely understand how to craft items for things I want, I normally would just buy the base and work from there last league, this league I doubt I'll even be able to do that with how the current mechanics are setup. It definitely kills the fun aspect of the game as I feel even more limited now.
5 out of the 6 enemies on the map have savage modifiers. Personally makes me skip some maps I put it on skip most of the mobs. As well as just seeing mana modifier from corpses over and over. Love everything else so far
Any mob that doesn’t have a negative modifier should have a positive one on them in favor of the player to level it out.
I like the league mechanic. Straightforward crafting. For someone like me who doesn’t know anything about the complex crafting this is cool.
1) Not having an option to have the league mechanic on or off is just ridiculous when compared to older leagues.
2) Not being able to choose bases is indeed quite frustrating in the crafting mechanic.
Patterns and archetypes play a huge role. Some streamers know this but haven’t made a video on it yet due to market influx. You can manipulate bases, patterns and archetypes.
Sneed's Feed and Seed
Formerly Chuck's
Its a subtle joke
I see, and since it was formerly Chuck's, that would mean that the shop was called Chuck's Feed and Seed.
As a very new Poe player I can’t even begin to state where I’m confused and everything is so complicated and I’m a very competent player. Crafting in Poe have been a bane of my existence lol. Started in affliction league. Never really got good at finding correct gear and currency. I’ll probably say I single handedly had roughly 12 divines actually drop for me on my map runs and I made it to T16 maps. Was able to get around 6k juice and still nothing but chaos orbs and the same repeat unique drops that wasn’t worth a damn. But affliction league was very nice for me as a starting Poe player. just now reaching act 3 it’s crazy to see people already in maps 😅. Sorry but I still get lost in campaign at times and add in the frequent breaks it’ll be sometime next week by the time I even can think about act 10 🤣. But the only thing that scares me with crafting is the currency cost since I’ve found it hard to come across currency and that’s one of the main reasons why I think I couldn’t really dive into crafting.
EVERY FUKING POE LEAGUE I HAVE TO OPEN A FUKING EXCEL FUCK THIS
Totally agree, I'm super annoyed that you can ignore the popup boxes that get in the way of the loot. Also tried the burial stuff, complete waste of time! But like you this also the most fun I've had in a league start
Unfortunately, if the league mechanic isn't fun (or at least decent / worth doing), it's just basically playing standard. I was super stoked to play this league after having my best ever league in Affliction, but have already quit. It's a bit deflating finding that it just isn't for me, and it's on to other games until next league.
I had 15 modifiers wiht life and fire, blocking dex base types for my RF chief. I got a Silk Armour with block recovery, tier 6 life, lightning dmg to attacks, cold dmg to spells.
And this is with ~lv80 corpses.
Ziz...you're whining, dumb, and also correct. I love the league so far just because of all of the good changes in the patch itself. I think they will iron out the league mechanic soon and like you said the potential is massive, so I'm still excited to see where it will be in a week or 2 or 3.
I think this mechanic is really close to being one of the coolest ones, just needs some tweaking I think.
The idea of customizing the monsters, making some rats and others harder is really cool, just needs rewards tied like he said
everyone has their own idea of what fun is
Ggg definitely has a hard on for tediousness and suffering
“Fun “ is not prioritized lol
The entire graveyard mechanic of extra clicks is so poorly thought out
They forget it’s just a game
Not everything has to have an opportunity cost
Why not? Articulate
I feel like there's 3 changes to make an easy fix for the crafting
1) Take all the "grouped" corpses, and combine them. Give them Tier 1, 2 or 3. Then you have a life tier 1 corpse, which can be use for either more common, scarcer, or less common
2) Add a corpse that lets you choose a base type. Or even better, a corpse that lets you set the base item. Make it an option on T1 armor type corpses.
3) Just make placing corpses in a coffin free.
Step 1 reduces complexity and makes it easier to find the corpses you need. It doesn't change the number of corpses required to craft
Step 2 lets you stick to the league mechanic, but makes finding it simpler
Step 3 fixes the market, which is empty because no one wants to spend 1 chaos to find out their corpse isn't worth at least a few chaos. It also fixes the inventory issue, because people can coffin up their corpses and place them in stash tabs.
If they did that, I feel like this would be my favorite crafting league.
It’s still ass because you’re making a garbage rare. So much investment for what is essentially a harvest reroll
@@jordanharrison8769 kinda skill issue in that part, you can get quite good stuff, but you need the right corpses and it's still random.
it's basically an arguably more powerful fossil. but you can basically make some mods 1000 times more common, you go from a 3% to not get the mod on a fossil to a 0.07% with necropolis, that's basically 42 fossils. (it may not be the best example, but that's how most of the math checks out.) but compared to a fossil you don't have to block, so you can have better items (e.g. life+life hybrid)
and you can go from a 0.1% to a 50% compared to some other crafts.
I'm still doing the campaign and I hate it. I feel like the campaign maps are triple in size and are inverted, I don't what they did, but it's not fun to spend 20 minutes in a campaign map running like crazy trying to reach the exit. Not to mention the league mechanic which is absolutely awful, you throw 100 corpses with life modifier and the result is a +5 life.
Running for 20 minutes in a campaign zone is a you problem. Out of all the things you could've complained about, you chose that. And no, the size of the zones hasn't changed.
you sometimes get rarer map layouts which can throw you off, but most maps have tells (corpses in front of the houses, stairs going up, paths, broken stones, objectives being on opposite sides ...)
They should have had more ways to craft on the mods on the monsters if they really wanted to double down on the idea. Items to tier up and tier down mods, combine mods, add and remove mods, and yeah thr powerful/rippy mods should have been tied to rewards, even if on a different mob. You can have a % chance for divine orbs but you have to put one "135% phys as extra" mod for each element on a pack in the map. That type of puzzle would have been fun trying to figure out how to make maps work. They could even have made those mods implicit on maps so you could sell maps you can't run.
FYI, I'm getting ads for a Poe orb vendor before your video.
The weird thing I have with the league mechanic is that it's not skippable and the ceiling it gives POE seems too low.
Crucible, tota, affliction all brought ways for us to make our build special. Affliction with new spectres and ascensions, tota with tattoos on our tree, and crucible with weapon trees.
I'm making a new character this league, and it feels like the gear that's "new" are from the quality of life uber changes and not the league itself.
It's honestly kind of awkward when you watch all these interviews and get hyped up with speeches about "were giving a fuck about the game" and then you get shit like this. Makes me feel what they're just putting all of their effort and manpower towards the sequel, while poe 1 skeleton crew just don't have enough time to test league mechanics. Also, if you know melee in this game is bad, how about stop nerfing it with every major patch and buff gladiator at least lol.
At this point if i see crafting leagues i just loose interest immediately.
Yeah, the interviews were so promising. I believe they have vision for the game but the Necropolis' league mechanic misses the mark. The reduction in currency from Affliction league feels bad too
@@TreesPlease42 You had to expect some reduction, affliction was nuts. the rebalanced crafting looks sick, though.
Your thoughts are bang on mate. It's such a shame, I have been telling my mate for years to play POE, he loved LE and so this season we were so excited to play it together. This league just makes no sense for him, on top of all the other stuff to learn and then it being unskippable it's really hard to tell if it's due to the map just being hard, or the latern making mobs stupid.
Most times the map boss is easier then all the lesser mobs
I'm with you Ziz, I started POE with 3.19 and I've never seen a league mechanic that was forced on the player like this. Even now I'm still trying to learn 1-2 new things each league and I usually don't want to bother with whatever the current league mechanic is, and I can't believe these rippy mods on every map are not something the player gets to opt in to if they choose. Otherwise also spot on, the QoL and Atlas changes are S+ tier, with no league mechanic at all this would be the best league ever xD
I would expect GGG to put low level crafting bonuses near the bottom of the tree to give players a boost and it looks like they did. Geminate Haunting gives bonus corpse so you're not farming forever, Imperial Wraiths gives higher tier outcome so you're getting more chance for good rolls. That seems like a quick way to farm corpses for crafting better gear.
Just because GGG makes you take a second look at your normal atlas plan doesn't mean it's bad, it's just uncomfortable because it's new. I would say only the UI needs some work this early without really changing your playing habits to exploit the league mechanic.
As a casual player it's miserable. I have yet to get a single modifier that feels rewarding and isn't just a couple extra chromatic orbs or exp, the crafting is slow and unrewarding and the massive pop ups from the corpses are annoying and disrupting .
I'm pretty much in agreement, I LOVE the league outside of the grave crafting. I hope they can hotfix or patch it, simply give us more agency over base types and honestly maybe just make it a bit more deterministic. Oh and the 64 corpse limit feels so, SO awful!😂
However, the league outside of this has been very kind to me. Day 2 of league I managed to get two Nameless Seer spawns on my map device, the first gave me an Ancestral Vision jewel, and the second gave me Kalandra's Touch. I've also just had quite a lot of luck, Devouring Diadem from my first Catarina, all the stuff that NEVER happens to me in SSF. So going to trade paid off.
nobody selling corpses because they cost 1c, which you need to HAVE IN INVENTORY TO BUY?! You are 100% just losing a chaos orb because you expect nobody will buy it.
The interface to put the corpse into the coffin takes forever and feels clunk.
Gotta love how last league they said that the problem wasnt that the league mechanic was too deadly, but the fact that players took on more than they could handle, but they kindaa forgot to add a fucking leave button, and this league they said they want players to choose exactly how hard they want their experience to be and then they made the mechanic unskippable. I swear to god its like its opposite day at GGG. The fact that they buffed DD is just icing on the cake.
Think if it was a crafting station instead of how it is rn it would've been significantly more usable. Have it let you create an item or harvest style reroll an item, and let the corpse mods of same type stack so it's neater. You should be able to hold a mod of every type at once instead of the current 64 capacity where multiple of the same mod each takes up a space, this makes organizing and removing corpses a nightmare too. Have it show you a list of your mods, and then upon selecting the mod, it opens a drop down that lets you select what corpse you want to use that has the mod.
I very much agree. Playing BroSF with some friends, and mostly our experience is that it's just making the game harder as a baseline, the positive mods aren't really obviously rewarding, and the crafting is still too random to be useful.
Honestly, I love the core changes, and don't mind them trying to implement new ways to craft stuff. Even though the leagues a miss, the core changes are good because of years of feedback, and giving the league feedback makes me think it can have potential. Here's to hoping, I'm thoroughly enjoying 3.24 as a whole
The easiest way to fix this league is to just give players the option to turn it off. It is a lantern. Lantern on. Lantern off. It is that simple.
If GGG doesn't want to go that route, then a mandatory league should offer mandatory power or rewards. It isn't fun to just have a league mechanic that offers difficulty, but no potential reward for it. On one hand, I understand that GGG doesn't want another Affliction League. But on the other, I have to ask, is that so bad? Seriously, for all the "complaints" on Affliction League, that boiled down to "inflation economy", Affliction is the best league we've had in years when talking about numbers and retention. And I don't understand GGG's complete averse reaction to those metrics.
To be fair...for progress purposes every corpse represents a rare item for a slot of your choosing. So in principle the mechanic can help you bootstrap your equipment through campaign and early mapping with basically no thought involved.
I think the reason they added multiple atas trees, etc. was to band-aid the unskippable league mechanic so that investing in it didn't feel as bad.
honestly, i'd love the interface where when you click the craft button that tells you all the mods that effect the craft, give me more info, like hey, these mods can't roll anymore because the base is this high, and the chance of a mod rolling after all those mods, like, +200 life rating and 1000% increased chance, this is the chance you get for a mod to roll, and these are the minimum tier you can roll
First craft of the league at end game I made a belt 98 max life, 42 mana, 12% increased flask mana recovery rate, 38 fire res, 35 lit res, 44 str in a rustic sash. You can make some good stuff in there but item bases is definitely a problem with belts, rings and amulets. They probably could fix it if you could put the base in a box instead of selecting what to craft before you hit the craft button and people could use suppression fractured bases and abyssal belts and things like that. Might be too OP tbh if you could do that though. P.S. let us have way more bodies in the morgue and make the league mechanic optional.
Mark "Crafting is difficult in PoE, so any chance I can get to remove items such as veiled chaos, I will take that opportunity." Also Mark, "Crafting in PoE is difficult? Hold my beer, here is Necropolis crafting! Get your spreadsheets ready!"
What they should do was to pop up a screen that shows the possibility of the craft. Not alot maybe 3 blur gear with a range of hidden stat choices and maybe a smaller fix stat that you can see a range of. As you put more corpses it changes so people can choose and have a bit of control over it.
OMG!!! Thank you!!! Here I am looking at this mechanic of crafting items like a trivially better alchemy orb...like, why would I go to this much trouble for so little? I could be chasing divines right now and getting better return. Felt like I was the only one who felt like the crafting was terrible.
Thanks for putting on a gauntlet this early into the league! You made it really difficult this time around! Wait...
What should happen is all of the corpses are auto picked up, and you can have an infinite number of corpses. Then when you go to bury them you almost craft of exile an item in a menu (it warns you if you don't have the correct corpses to provide anything close to that outcome) and it either tells you the chance you have to actually roll something similar or not. There really just needs to be a more user friendly aspect when it comes with the crafts. I think the worst slap in the face is that I have to click on all of the corpses, I only can have 64, and then I realize I don't have the ones I like while being out of room.
Totally agree with the "No clear/easy middle ground for crafting".
Also, not seeing much gain for buffing the monsters in map. Maybe I have to take the atlas passive nodes? But seems like a lot more riskier in HC for barely any gain(except when you hit the lotto and get one of the good gold mods)
It almost seems like the middle ground for crafting was to simply spam 1 corpse at a time, and in QA they found this, so to patch it they gave him a 10 second channel time for each craft to make this a lot less appealing.
I'm fairly certain that his channel time is linked to how many corpses are involved in a craft. I made a few quick ones early on and the channel was maybe 3s long.
And even with little investment a map can drop a ton of corpses. The "25% chance to drop 2 corpses" node is reeeeally good.
Don't worry, it's also completely unrewarding with total atlas investment lol. I just made a helmet with a full row and full column of haunted modifier corpses boosted by row/column corpses. It didn't get a haunted modifier. It's just going to be a mega lottery of hoping to get a fractured haunted affix on a good base. For any actual item crafting, existing systems like fossils/essences/harvest/even Rog are just better and require way less time/annoyance.
Similar to you, I got the divine thing on a map once, and I got one good item from nameless seer another time. Otherwise, it's just felt like rippier maps all around.
I started PoE in Affliction league and loved it. This mechanic is beyond absurd. They've made every level into a map, with different modifiers, next to no rewards. I did the campaign twice in Affliction, I didn't make it out of Act I this league and I'm not going back until GGG makes this game more approachable for casual players. This league was made for the professionals and the hardcore gamers. This is feedback GGG has been getting for quite some time, and I feel like the response from playing PoE 2 and now this league are not being heard by GGG.