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Does Ellen White Add To Scripture? Surprising Answers!
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- Many accuse Ellen White of "adding" to scripture which therefore disqualifies her as a true prophet. Watch as SDAs examine these claims and reveal the truth about Ellen White's role as a prophet.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Revelation 22:18
1:30 - Can one Inspired Canonical Writer Add to Another?
4:00 - John The Revelator References The Old Serpent
4:48 - What is Meant By "Add to"?
5:40 - The Role of Ellen White
6:44 - The Sacrificial System
8:57 - Different Kinds of Inspiration
11:00 - How Do Non - Canonical Prophets Work?
15:19 - What Role Did Daniel Have?
16:34 - Prophets of The New Testament
18:38 - Non Canonical Prophets in The New Testament
23:44 - The Authority of Agabus
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What would it matter if she did? She after all was a Prophet of the Lord like any of the other prophets in the bible, the truth is progressive should we be surprised the Lord has revealed more truth in the time of the end through another prophet? Take Sunday as the mark of the beast, if not for God speaking through EG white how else would we have learned this truth? My church is ashamed of EG White the district pastor said we should not preach EG White on Sabbath as it would upset the visitors.
I am new to adventism but I accept that she was a prophet and I am unashamed of that. She was merely a vessel of the Lord, a willing Vessel that spoke the word of God to us so that we would be prepared in this time of the end.
This is Adventism, the movement with the spirit of prophesy let us tell the world what God has told us through her. Let us not be ashamed and live in fear of what anyone thinks or says. Christ is coming the world and its opinions matter not.
Thank you for sharing. We too are not ashamed and are glad to be identified as that movement at the end that have the commandments of God, faith of Jesus, and Spirit of Prophecy (Rev. 12:17, 14:12, 10:19).
The Spirit of prophecy in this text don't equal EG White ..sorry.@@AdventDefenseLeague
I've met many people who agreed with ALL SDA doctrines, but just because of EGW they lost interest or refused to become SDA. Frankly, I probably would not have become SDA if it wasn't for EGW.
The first time I saw all her books in a library, I wasn't even SDA yet. I was blown away by the fact that one person wrote all those books. I was so curious about Ellen White and her books that I started browsing through them... content pages, preface... etc... I pulled many from the shelves and read a paragraph here and there, a page here and there, a chapter here and there...
Then I also started reading what prominent founders wrote about her and later prominent members.
EGW got me hooked to become SDA!
🗨 Edwin 🗨 You mentioned Rev 10:19. You probably meant 19:10. You are forgiven for having verse and chapter mixed up 😁 Chapter 10 has only 11 verses.
@danieloostendorp9286 I understand that is your opinion. No need to apologize 👍
There is a difference between clarifying and adding. Sunday keepers will listen to a sermon where the preacher adds commentary
👍 As a SDA I follow many channels of Sunday keeping churches and pastors and they love quoting from commentaries and books of prominent scholars of their particular denomination. I noticed it particularly with various Reformers such as Anglicans and Presbyterians. Baptists, such as Independent Fundamentalist Baptists (IFB) love quoting from Peter S Ruckman and the commentaries in their Schofield Reference Study Bible. They also love quoting from the pale pages of recently published rubbish. You'd never see them quoting from old 18th and 19th century books.
@@rayhchc6451 There is a difference between a commentary and an inspired interpretor. An inspired interpretor can't be questioned but even someone like Luther or Calvin can be and those leaders are in the minds of the churches they started are not infallible
@@barryford1482That is a very unbiblical statement… of course that you can question a prophet… the Bible tells us to do so: “Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21)
🗨 barryford 🗨 It's just a pity Sunday pagans pick and choose what they quote from Reformers just as the pagan picks and chooses the commandments that should be kept!
👍 Vladi 👍
Thank you for the blessed study. 🙂 Re 06:44, "By the act of bringing the offering to the sanctuary, the individual confessed himself a sinner, deserving the wrath of God, and signified his repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, whose blood would remove the guilt of the transgressor. By placing his hands upon the head of the victim the sin of the individual was transferred to the victim, and his suffering the sinner saw Christ typified, when he should give himself as a sacrifice for our sins. The Lord signified his acceptance of the offering by causing it to be consumed upon the altar." ST ch 148, July 15, 1880 - Sacrificial Offerings
She also added to the scriptures by saying that Zoar was destroyed
Lot dwelt but a short time in Zoar. Iniquity prevailed there as in Sodom, and he feared to remain, lest the city should be destroyed. Not long after, Zoar was consumed, as God had purposed. PP pg 167.3
Whereas that did not happen in the Bible.
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention prominent prophets such as Elijah and John the Baptist that didn't write any books just as many of the other prophets you mentioned.
These two prophets are the greatest because Jesus Himself said John was the greatest and that he would come in the spirit of Elijah.
Two greatest prophets and yet nether of them wrote any books.
I thought about that actually but it then slipped my mind 😖
@@AdventDefenseLeague 👍 I wonder if Jesus is trying to tell someone why the two greatest prophets never wrote any books. Elijah wasn't called the greatest, but the one called the greatest, John the Baptist, came in the spirit of Elijah. Elijah was also translated. None of the other great prophets were translated, such as Jeremiah, Isaiah and Daniel.
I can't help to wonder if Jesus is trying to make a point to the rebels and those who despise His prophet(s)? 🤔
Well, unlike Edwin, they didn't come to mind for me. What came to mind were the earliest men I could think of who had prophecies. But certainly they are good examples of non-canonical prophets.
Dr Morgan 👍
@@rayhchc6451 Much appreciated. (BTW, I don't have a doctorate--just a masters.)
Does Ellen pass the Deuteronomy 13 test? Did the 1844 shut door prophecy come to pass as she said? One may also ask who 'canonized' the bible?
That's a tough one. Do you know of anyone who was up in heaven on that date to see Jesus going from one apartment to another, closing the door as He went? It's a real question. I'm not trying to be facetious. We can have the expectation that He did start a new phase of ministry according to the sanctuary types and according to Hebrews which consistently describes the heavenly sanctuary as "holy places" (Greek, ta hagia) and according to the imagery of Revelation which describes an inner room in heaven that has a door.
I believe Ellen White was inspired not by visions as she claims but by the Holy Spirit. Now we have to be very, very, careful whether it is the Holy Spirit or an evil spirit. For Satan himself shall appear as an angel of light and shall deceive many. In the Great Controversy, chapter 41, Desolations of the earth, On page 568 Ellen White wrote: At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted out from the face of the whole earth---consumed with the spirit of his mouth and destroyed by the brightness of his glory. Christ takes His people to the city of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants…….For a thousand years Satan will wander to and fro in the desolate earth. Now the Bible specifically says Satan will be bound with chains and cast into a bottomless pit.(outer space) that he should deceive the nations no more. And after a thousand years are expired Satan will be loose for a little season and he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth. What nations will Satan deceive if every one has been dead for a thousand years???
Revelation 20 (KJV)
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⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
There is a second Resurrection for the wicked
Here for your answer
@@greenandred6229 Perhaps you don’t understand what I have written. You have just repeated what I already stated. According to Ellen White the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. For a thousand years Satan will wander to and fro in a desolate (empty) earth. If everyone has been dead for a thousand years who will Satan deceive when he is loose out of his prison. My point is Ellen White is not a prophet, she has made too many blunders.
@@greenandred6229The second resurrection will take place only after Satan is cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and false are, and shall be tormented forever and ever. Rev.20:10-12.
One specific addition to the book of Revelation that Ellen adds is the health message to the 3 angels in chapter 14. Revelation says nothing about the health message. In fact Paul clearly says that food and drink is not part of the gospel. Romans 14.
Why take Isaiah 53 with caution?? It plainly is talking about Jesus Christ from start to finish. Even though it doesn't quote unquote say Jesus. If one knows his or her Bible they will understand who is being mentioned. Many of the old prophets even spoke and eat with the Son of Man aka Jesus. Moses at the burning bush, Gidon before he took his 300 warriors to battle. Abraham eat with Jesus and the 2 angels right before Sodom & Gomorrah and the cities of the plains were destroyed. David praises Him all through Psalms. Psalms 22 and 23 speak directly of His death and resurrection. Just to name a few. Last but not least Jesus walked with Adam and Eve and creation was formed through Him. John 1:1-5🙏🙏🙏
"Why take Isaiah 53 with caution?" Talk to the Jews who don't want to give Jesus a platform. That's who I said take them with caution. We who live after Jesus came to earth as the Lamb of God have a great advantage in knowing how the OT pieces fit together to point to Jesus.
🗨 gloria 🗨 The wicked dead get resurrected after the millennium has expired, just as the dead in Christ are resurrected at the coming of Christ at His 2nd Coming.
You will probably ask me for the text proofs, right? That's ok, but then I'll ask you what would you do if I do supply texts? Would you then believe that Satan would deceive the nations again? If not, you'd have some explaining to do, don't you think?
I never watch these videos without a bible and pen and book. I’m literally learning
About Agabus and the prophecy he made over Paul about him becomingg bound in Rome. I don't think Agabus told Paul to make him NOT go to Rome. Jesus wanted Paul to go to Rome, and Agabus was simply informing Paul of what would happen when he did go. Am I wrong?
We are so afraid to say that EGW was given the spirit of prophecy. Rev. 19:10 but God's remnant is identified by keeping the commandments and having the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17 . Thus other denominations claim to be the people of God and have a prophet. The Mormons have a prophet but only one book that deviates from the Bible. Islam has a book and a prophet, but both go against the cannon. Only EGW wrote in accordance with scripture. There's also the kingdom hall believers they also have writings and prophet. I had read spirit of prophecy and have never seen any deviation from the Bible.
Daniel 7 & Revelations 13 speak of the same beast, but Revelation cast more light on the beast, by giving the reader more details of who the beast really is.
Oh my God, oh my God, is this the lenght you are willing to go to legitimized the writings of EGW as inspired and on par with scripture?
I literally said her writings are NON-canonical 🤦🏻♂️
@@AdventDefenseLeague 👍
She saw Enich on Mars ....Please tell me that is not adding and there are thousands of similar examples.
She did bot know If tower of Babel was before or after the flood.....
Actually you have some details garbled there. She saw Enoch visiting another planet. She didn't put him on Mars. Well, Enoch never died, so why would he not be on another planet? The reference to the tower of Babel, in the instance you are referencing in Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, is after the Flood. The Flood is in Chapter 7. The Tower of Babel is in Chapter 10.
She added lot more than what these people say, more than 50% in my opinion and research. Many of them do not align with the Scripture!
And there are trees of knowledge of good and evil on every inhabited planet in the universe, and she wished to Stay on one of the planets but her accompanying angel did not allow her! We can actually compile a fair sized fairy tale book for the kids from her visions!
@@19818456 So, Chris, people will be inclined to agree with you for one of two reasons: either they take your word for it because they know you and trust you (which won't work here because you remain anonymous) or they have already made up their mind about Ellen White and don't need evidence to continue thinking ill of her (because you have offered only a generalization without any specifics to back it). Walter Rea threw out big numbers like you do, and he was way off.
@@19818456 Your assumption is noted, but it doesn't deal with the physical tests performed on her while she was in vision that yielded results that have no naturalistic explanation.
I believe EGW is a prophet on most matters of eschatology. but I struggle with some of her words on science ...like commentary on vital force and marital excess... Not trying to disuade. I realize that even Paul didn't even listen to the prophet Agabus in Acts 21 for he was willing to face the consequences. So maybe I'm just willing to face the consequences just like Paul?..
Could you expound on what you mean by vital force and marital excess?
I think it is observably true that some people have a stronger constitution ("vital force") than others. They seem to be able to avoid illness and bounce back from illness easier than others. Regarding marital excess, there is a reason why it should take two "signatures" to sign the "check" of marital relations and why such relations are different when a person is very tired or recovering from illness. I hope you get my illustration.
Neil Nedley has some videos on the subject.
Thanks for the suggestion.
@@kevinmorgan8782 if you can’t find it, the second video in a series called enhancing brain chemistry goes over that topic fairly well. God bless on your studies. @robking12697
Ok , just listen to a few min will pick up later. Reality the editors or a group of people have in some instance cause some serious controdiction. Or some limitation on EGW part
2000 odd books she wrote instructing how adventist must live and sge is bit adding?
Ellen White writing books to instruct does not mean she is adding to the canon of scripture anymore than when a non-canonical prophet like Nathan writes a book meant he was adding to the canon. This video is a clip from a larger video where we answered questions like this. I suggest viewing that one. It was broadcast this past Saturday. Thanks.
Yes . ELLEN WHITE ADDED TO SCRIPTURES
What new Scriptures did she add?
@@kevinmorgan8782 👍