The End Of CapFriendly Shocks The Hockey World | SDP
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the Washington Capitals decision to purcahse and end CapFriendly from being a public facing site.
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What’s worse is apparently the NHL prefers this outcome, they don’t like transparency and don’t like that us peons have easy digestible access to cap and contract info.
Exactly
They hate engagement with the league. All they want is for us idiots to give them our money!
@@LouieNJ Exactly. They'd rather have the fans shut up and pay them than criticize them AT ALL for ANYTHING.
The NHL: We LOVE to shoot ourselves in the foot!
How to make NHL fans hate you. Buy a free user-friendly site and buy em out.
Ah yes. It's the caps fans the website owners said yes. Cry more.
And make the site private. Absolute joke.
@@kobyschechter8163 good job there's many different ones then huh
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I know there are other sites but Capfriendly was the best of the best.
@@kobyschechter8163 Then go to Puckpedia, which is public and has the same content. And this happened before, with Vegas. The outrage is a joke.
As a fan, I am disappointed to lose CapFriendly.
Same. It’s an absolute travesty that the Capitals will make the site private.
I'm not upset at the owners for selling their site. I'm floored that the league and teams are so old school that they don't already have their own and better systems in place . It's now come out that only a handful of teams have their own software in place for this stuff and that a league portal does exist, but at least one unnamed GM has said they prefer CapFriendly to the league's own portal. Absolutely bush league and the fans lose as a result.
Thankyou
I was wondering what the caps get out of this ?
Amen, brother
Yeah, I don't blame CapFriendly at all for capitalizing on their success.
I completely blame the NHL and the teams that refuse to disclose financial terms because they don't want fans to know how awful so many of their decisions are.
Hockey journalists in shambles
CapFriendly did teach us one everlasting lesson: if four players take up half your cap space you will lose in the first round
Some of us didn't need a website to tell us that.
Dubas did, Treliving maybe
If those four players that are your best players would show up in the playoffs, then taking up nearly half your cap isn't that much of an issue.
It’s an inside joke for Leaf fans. But yes, if you have Barkov, Tkachuk, Shisterkin, Montour etc you’d be right
@@ginor8416
You mean Bobrovsky, but yeah your best players need to show up and for Florida they have and for the Oilers they as well until the past couple of games in the finals.
For whatever reason the Leafs best players just haven't been able to step it up in the playoffs all these years consistently. You might get a good game or two here and there from them, but that's about it.
The business can do what it wants. My gripe is the NHL should see CapFriendly as something to engage fans. And offer to buy it. I disagree the league can't run it. As long as they don't break news. They just respond to press releases and adjust the site. It can be done. And would be a great educational tool, and another driver of revenue. It's not different than tankathon. But I guess having a transparent league would be bad right?
The NHL always could've bought the site and then hired the people who created the site to stay on to keep running it.
The NHL could publish contract info when a contract gets registered with the league. They don't even need to build a site for it - someone else will as long as they can get the accurate data.
Washington, not content with ruining their own business and making their own fans miserable they ruin Capfriendly and make all NHL fans miserable.
Cry more
the caps sold their future to win, they're allowed to be bad for a few years.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 are you a literal child? get a life.
@@7jcjg I'm not the one crying over a NHL team buying a website 😂🤭
nobody is crying. We are upset we are losing a quality website. You are coming off like a jerk. I am sure you are happy with your life
Congratulations to CapFriendly, you will be missed.
This is an opportunity for the league to make a version of this for fans since they no longer have the access to this. And yes Gary, we do have a need for this data!
Except the NHL is incompetent and don't know how to grow the sport or improve fan experience.
Nevermind, Adam just poured cold water on this!
Never gonna happen
You fuckin tell him!
My hot take is that removing cap friendly tilts betting further in the house's favor. People are gonna make dumber bets and lose even more money.
Smart take
I'm so glad the guys are just so over the moon that this free user friendly resource is being taken away from fans.
Even if something else eventually comes up this still sucks all around and I'm not sure why they're pretending it doesn't.
Follow the money
Because the individuals who started it put their heart and soul into creating it, kept it free, and are getting a payoff. Something will take its place.
I will never understand not celebrating someone getting their bag. Good for the Cap friendly guys
I haven't heard anyone mention that they are mad at the owners for selling. Everyone I have seen are mad at the Capitals for taking a resource from fans. Do teams like the Caps really not have this kind of resource in-house?
Idk if personnel like this are listed on the team website personnel pages/guides but a quick look at the Capitals pages seem to indicate no. Now, that doesn’t mean they already have them. They could be under a different title in the organization (e.g. assistant hockey operations manager).
According to Friedman they didn't until now.
"A team like the Islanders you'd just get a bunch of dashes." I laughed out loud at that.
I think it is fair to both be excited for the capfriendly guys and upset with the caps. It is a success story for some hockey fans that worked extremely hard and I will always root for something like that. On the other hand, the capitals are buying out a beloved free resource so only they can use it. I get why they are doing it and why it is a good business decision, but it still takes away something many hockey fans enjoyed and it seems pretty reasonable to resent that at least a bit.
On the one hand you can't blame the site creators for taking the money, on the otherhand I wished they would've done something that's not very common these days which is turn down the money and keep the site open to the public and for all the dedicated hockey fans out there who use that website all the time to follow what their and other teams in the league are doing off the ice.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ riduculous. maybe YOU should pour your life into creating a free resource, then turn down a life changing offer for it. You wouldn't.
@@brennanleffler
I never said it would be easy to do so to turn down a boatload of money and a job in a major hockey franchise, but on the otherhand its not like they probably weren't making decent money even before selling their site.
Heck why not start a Patreon so that people who enjoy your site and value your hard work can subscribe and support you? I'm sure they would get alot of support, especially if it meant keeping the site public and not being sold and taken down.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ I think you greatly overestimate the kind of income that can be earned through a sport-specific website and greatly underestimate the kind of offer a billion-dollar-plus organization can make for IT assets.
@@jsquared1013
Weren't some if not many teams already paying the CF guys for some of the info on their website? Also I get that its extremely hard to not take a bundle of money and jobs in a NHL organization, but just once in a while I wish that would happen.
We see it all the time in many businesses where one or more people creates or opens something, makes it become successful and then some company and especially venture capital companies come in and buy it and then they often turn it to crap.
I don't know if they did try it, but I really think if they opened a Patreon to ask the public for help to keep the site going and to support their work that many people would subscribe and support them. There are tons of people who appreciate their work and wouldn't have a problem in paying a few bucks a month to support them.
Sure it may not be as much as what the Caps paid them or who knows maybe the support is much better than expected and they actually make a good amount from it. The point is I wish they would've tried to keep the site public and available to all the passionate fans out there who love hockey and follow it closely.
Just found this channel and I really like the dialogue. The issue is the NHL just wants us fans to watch the product and thats it. They dont want us to know the inner workings of the game we love. Best sport, worst league is a phrase that is said a lot and I think its fair.
With all due respect, and Dangle pointed it out on Twitter today so im sure it will get brought up on the next SDPN show, the NHL DOES NOT want salary information out to the public. Sure the Caps did a competitive advantage thing buying it but something tells me Bettman wanted the site gone anyway. And PuckPedia WILL be next.
It feels to me like the "Boys Club" hockey culture is so bad and secretive that Bettman wants things hidden on purpose, like this, to impact the discussion of the league, because the league and sport in general keep getting caught in controversy. Its insane!
I vaguely remember when the NHLPA website published player's salaries. Can't remember how long ago that was.
I will miss Capfriendly for sure, but what an opportunity for those guys. Massive props to them.
How do these mutli-million/billion dollar franchises not have their own system in place? That's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Yeah seriously, this is the most confusing part to me lol. Like, can’t any team just recreate it?
What I don't get is why would an NHL team not have this kind of tool in-house already? It baffle me that a team like the Capital need to buy a third party to get a software like this. At least, a team like Vegas and Seattle have a good excuse for not having time to develop this tool in-house.
Probably one of those things where teams think what's the point when we have this one for free available for everyone. No point in spending money developing and running your own, when someone else is doing it for you. But I am sure this Capfriendly situation is going to have a lot of front offices to heavily consider doing it themselves now.
This whole situation just adds more and more to the lack of transparency the NHL has. They want to be as minimal as possible with how transparent they are at the expense of keeping fans or making new ones and this is just another extension of that. It's why they are super secretive about way too many things that a real league wouldn't have issues making known. I doubt everything in that regard gets fixed with Bettman no longer at the helm, but I'm ready to find out how much that helps and I've been ready to find that out for a decade now. I should be having the most fun I've ever had with the product and instead, between the off ice bullshit and ticket prices soaring league wide, I'm as uninterested in the NHL as I was when I first stopped watching it back in 2013.
Cool
There was Cap Geek before this and Cap Friendly took its place. A new one will spring up. It’s too valuable a resource. You don’t want fan facing salary transparency? Lose the salary cap. In a cap world fans have a right to know how finite resources that relate directly to their team’s performance are allocated.
Its not just contract info that made CapFriendly so great. Its that they have info on almost EVERYTHING hockey related. From every coach or GM and their history to every player's career history including all the times they were traded and for what they were traded for etc. Also they had info on where and what happened to every draft pick and what draft picks each team has etc. and a whole ton of info on prospects that every team had and so on.
Really they have so much info listed that no one else has that I will miss just as much if not more than just player contracts.
I'll tell you who's happy caofriendly's gone. The NHL. They've always disliked fans knowing that much information.
THG did a good video on this topic. The NHL doesn’t want fans to have salary information
I miss gapgeek. Matthew wuest is a hero in my mind
The Caps are so far away from being cup contenders. Capfriendly or not, they're not winning any time soon.
Screw the Capitals. Why would anyone be supportive of this? It’s not about the owner of Capfriendly..it’s about the Capitals stepping in and buying a source that many fans utilize…
Cry more.
@@Asymmetrical-Saggin never claimed to be 🤣 watch the video and you'll see my actual take on the video. Be happy for the guys who are getting a payday there was ones that went before and there will be ones after quit crying
@@Asymmetrical-Sagginhe’s a Capitals fan, of course he’d talk like this. Ignore him.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I’m good? Im like the vast majority of people asking why? It’s a bullshit move. But I forgot you don’t like people sharing their personal opinion
@@zacharyharms3149 you seem bitter. You seem to be upset. It's not the worst news is it. It's not the saddest thing. There's countless equivalents out there. Just shut your brain off for two minutes, you'll be fine
Im not mad about going to puckpedia. but i am going to miss the forums, armchair gm, and mock drafts on capfriendly. RIP CAP FREINDLY.
The site literally implies it is friendly to the Capitals...
The fact Steve said that others would have done it for less tells me that he knows how much CapFriendly is being bought for.
Even if he doesn't he might know of prior offers that have been turned down....that he feels most people would have taken instantly.
Today’s message: As we’re happy for a few people we know & like, we’re clearly morally superior than all those angry, engaged social media users who help us pretend we have a career.
Sorry if a dumb question...but can't somebody who understands how the site actually works just...make another one?
Do the Capitals have some kind of copyright protection on it? Would making an identically-functioning service be illegal somehow?
Why can't CapFriendly simply be replaced?
It can and will, there's already other similar sites, its just capfriendly was the best most used.
Thats whats going to happen.
It can and there is already another site where you can get the same information, its called Puckpedia. Most people don’t find it as easy to navigate as capfriendly, but my guess is that it will get better now that most people will be going to them for the information now that capfriendly won’t be available
You can't copyright a generic concept, you can only copyright a particular thing. For example, you can't copyright the I-vi-IV-V chord progression, but you can copyright Don't Stop Believing by Journey.
It will be. All these losers bashing the guys for "selling out" have never taken a risk or put their heart and soul into building something from scratch. Every single person here would take the payoff if it were offered.
Ok I am happy for your success. Above all else that is the takeaway.
… but MAAAAAAAAAAAANNN I loved that website so much.
Get off your high horses, people are allowed to be upset about something they like being taken away. They can even have more than one thought at once and be happy for the dudes. And guess what you can even call someone a sellout and still be happy for their success. You can form more than narrow singular opinion on something.
It was a smart move by the Caps, but absolutely censorship. Why else would they want to buy a website that showed a list of what all the players are making and the salary cap of every single team? To shut it down and hide that information. I don't know why such a conflict of interest is legal, but it's America. Corporations rule.
If their goal with buy Capfriendly was to shut down and hide the information, they aren’t doing a good job at is, seeing as Puckpedia has the same information and will still be available
Maybe they wanted the guys that managed it because of their expertise in this field of hockey finance.
They bought a tool to gain a competitive advantage without trying to develop a similar thing themselves. It's competition and business, they don't give a crap about fans knowing player salaries. And it's not censorship - you can start your own site and do tbe same thing anytime.
Guys you're missing out on the NHLs first analytics pro in 1995/96 for the Habs :) And video statistician using an old Sony VCR with a shuttle.
all the power to them getting that bag though.
Congrats to them.
Hate the Capitals for doing this.... HATE
This is BS. I ALWAYS have a CapFriendly tab open on my tablet, and desktop too, at all times. I reference it at least a couple times a week.
In a salary cap league, rich teams are going to spend money where they can which is off ice. Staff, facilities, nutrition, trainers...it's not a surprise. If Washington didn't buy CF then some other team would have and then Washington would be the one scrambling.
So they bought it out to do what? Shut it down?
To gain proprietary access over CF tools, data and the knowledge of its creators. Gives them a competitive advantage.
😂 Steve projecting here. He's so happy they sold out because he did too. Take that gambling money right boys?!
What's the point of that to shut it down 🙄
Data and tools. If you pay for something you don't want it available to the competition (other teams).
This just means the Caps have legit been using capfriendly up to now to manage their own cap. I wonder how many others did.
Caps buying cap friendly is like the leafs buying out Steve dangle 😂
Good for the caps and cap friendly but not for hockey or fans. The NHL should have stepped in and blocked teams from buying that resource out form one another
I understand why the league is so soft now, no bench clearing brawls, etc.... but it's not as exciting. Access to games feels harder. Lock-outs shut down fantasy leagues, to never return. To be honest, capfriendly was one of the biggest ties to the game, at least you could stay interested in the management side of things. eg. Trades, cap-space, etc.
There will be a market for a new one. Everyone calm down.
this is a perspective i never heard. it was caps buy capfriendly shut it down. the speculation was a trademark one. let the analytics nerds get their bag
Maybe silly question why did Washington want to buy cap friendly when it’s free ??
I heard the main reason is the analysis tools the site offers.
They probably wanted the data in a workable site that they can use with new tools to help them analyze salaries and players rather than investing time and money to develop it themselves.
I guess the Caps weren't Cap Friendly
I would have paid 5 bucks a month if they asked. Oh Well
It's not the end. Just make a brand new page doing the same thing written out a little differen with a different name, and it's fine
You can create a CapFriendly clone website, but its going to be extremely difficult to recreate all the massive amounts of info that they had on that site though. Beyond just player contracts they had the history of every coach, GM and other personnel, player career history, draft pick history of each team, prospects in the system for each team and so on. All that info will be hard to recreate if at all possible.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ copy and past everything they got before it's gone and use it to recreate it
I miss CapGeek
Another website will come out quickly.
... In about 2 months
Capgeek was awesome. Cap friendly wasn't as good but got used to it and got better. Puckpedia is not half as good. Let's hope they get better too.
CapFriendly is FAR superior to Capgeek. There's insane amounts of data that Capgeek didn't have or in much less detail. Now that its gone, maybe Puckpedia or elsewhere will step up and improve drastically to become even half as good as CapFriendly is now.
Steve has deteriorated over the years with his charisma, opinions, professionalism, etc. He consistently keeps having rude, ignorant takes and this is another one. He is no better than the internet "trolls" he mocks, as he acts exactly like them if not worse. Smfh.
These guys are clowns
sad
It may work out because, by far, the most boring team in hockey is the Capitals.
Huh
Why cant the NHLPA do this website?
They don’t want to. Players hate fans knowing what they make - exhibit A, Mitch Marner
NHLPA would pay not to have this avail.
I'm not concerned. There will be another to take its place
First!
I stopped listening a minute in and disliked the video
Gay.