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For those that didn't know, Canada had decriminalized homosexual intimacy in 1969, and fully legalized same-sex marriage across the whole country in 2005. It was legal in Ontario in 2003.
@@rileytubegaming9065 yes they can- you can walk around and see many straight people holding hands without getting side glances, but when it comes to gay people, they get a lot of looks
I don't think it's fair to say that everyone in the past was accepting just because we have evidence of some people being accepting. I am sure lots of people in the past also had their struggles and battles to fight.
Exactly this. This is an issue I have with content like this. Individual cases aren’t a good indication of societal views as a whole. This also lumps in all cultures and shows a very linear view of history.
@@twentyeight602 The exact same reasons people are not accepting today: -Religious beliefs -Toxic social norms -Lack of understanding -Belief it "unnatural" to be LGBT+ -Personal disgust (lots of people find the thought of homosexual relationships and sex to be disgusting)
@@twentyeight602Because humans suck. And religious, cultural, societal, same reasons as always really. It was nitpicky state that they had full acceptance from such few cases. Plus it took a purely western view on the matter.
It's surprising that there are barely any stories or records shared from global south. South Asian subcontinent for example has many historic queer stories. Same in many places in rest of the Asia, Africa and South America. So many of the things were destroyed by imperialism and colonialism.
@@alternativetime2778The other areas and ethnicities of the world have surely produced stories and records regarding their queer histories as well. It’s unlikely that their histories include much or anything about North America and Europe.
South America was always largely homophobic even today. And yes many records were destroyed but , the people now in power are str8, Christian wo/men that never cared to find it because they only care about the str8, Christian side of history which keeps being shoved down our throats since elementary school.
I'm sorry to correct you, Professor, but I think you forgot one of the most iconic days for the community, the birthday of Alcibiades, lover of Socrates and a total fashion bicon...
@@Martin-ph8zx yeah it was pedestary, but what is to celebrate was the sexual liberty those Ancients had. It really didn't matter what your sexuality was back then, and in a society where a lot of values, including christian ones, are inspired by Plato, I feel like it's a good reminder of the meaning of the history of what we now call LGBTQ+. And Alcibiades is undeniably an damn ancient icon, and nobody can take this away from me lmao
@@noemie1771 More sexual liberty was a thing among the elites and aristocrats in ancient Greece, commoners didn't practice it. Also saying your sexuality didn't matter back then (in a general sense) is such an overreaching conclusion.
fun fact:their is a whole culture of transgender in india and we call trans people as hijras in india, this culture was way back in 12th century.. theirs even a transgender god in Hinduism called aravan
About the nazis: We also can't forget that Ernst Röhm, the leader of the nazi's paramilitary SA, was also openly gay. Hitler simply tolerated it at first, but he ordered his death after being told that Röhm was trying to molest children (which probably wasn't true). Röhm was then executed in his prison cell by two SS men on the first of July 1934 after he had been captured during the Röhm Putsch which began a day earlier.
And after his death Hitler really began pushing the anti gay laws. At first it seemed like gay people were „safe“ (they weren’t really before but they haven’t been in a focus) but this soon changed.
That's not true. The excuse Hitler gave for killing Röhm was because he was led into thinking Röhm was going to overthrow him. Literally nothing to do with molesting children.
8:13 and this is why translators have a huge responsibility (speaking as an amateur translator). To be fair translation choices and mistakes usually don't have THIS big of a negative impact, but sometimes it does. And people do die for it.
As a straight guy i must say... This whole historic rewind was so informative, fascinating and entertaining, i couldn't stop watching! life would be so darn boring without diversity that's for sure! thanks for the video, so much love and support!!! 🏳🌈
I think it is important to remember our history. LBGTQ+ history is varied and interesting. It is important to remember LGBTQ+ history and activism began before Stonewall. My one critique is: No one was burned in the Salem witch trials. They were hanged except for Giles Corey. He was pressed to death for refusing to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty.
There were some trials before the Salem witch trials that killed hundreds to thousands of women that took place in England, Scotland etc. in which women were burned at the stake. He might have been discussing specifically the Salem trials and accidentally messed up a fact, but I thought this was an interesting thing.
My parents were born the year of the Stonewall Riots. The Netherlands legalized gay marriage 2 days after I was born. The US legalized gay marriage my freshman year of high school. Just to give a bit of a time reference. This is very, very recent shit. And yet progress has inched forward extremely slowly.
That is not true. The history of people who came before you does not have any impact on the validity of your own identity. Even if there was no history of lgbtq+ acceptance, that wouldn't mean you aren't valid and don't deserve acceptance in the present.
I don't know man, i'm not denying what you said but that LGBT acceptance graph showing "max acceptance" just beacause some gay couple were recorded in some paintings doesn't seem accurate, i don't think that's enough proof to say 100% of people accepted the LGBT community, or any porcentage at all, they are just drawings.
As a queer Christian the role of mistranslating the torah and bible had in queerphobia is so infuriating. I hate having to prove myself to fellow Christians just because someone hundreds or thousands of years ago changed a translation
Not my mom telling me 2 days ago “when I was a kid, this just didn’t exist. I just don’t understand” (her sister is a closeted lesbian and has been her whole life)
17:54 _April 4, 2001- Netherlands approved same sex marriage_ _April 4 ,2012- us democratics are the first political party to support queer rights_ "Around a year later-" *Dw, we, gays aren't good at maths- /nm /pos* Side note: Happy LGBTQ+ history month from BCN!
@Sumfkn Bunny I didn't mean that, it's more like a meme, but I can really agree that gnc and trans people are still f'd up today... And let's not talk about the situation in Texas or Florida... That is F*CKED UP, and I'm SORRY for every LGBTQ+ person living there
Fun fact: There's an openly gay K-pop idol named Go Tae-seob who uses the stage name Holland. (He chose it because the Netherlands is also called Holland and they were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage.) I'd say that he's pretty widely known within the K-pop community, though unfortunately some people just know him for being "that one gay K-pop idol," but he's more than just that; he has good music, too. His story is pretty interesting; I'd suggest reading up on him if you like K-pop or generally want to know more about him.
Seeing the super super early depictions of gay couples like the Egyptian ones honestly makes me want to write a story about 2 gay people and their love in ancient times.... I think I'll do that actually, it sounds like a fun little hobby to get started on🤔
Thanks for the great video! Alan Turing was another great gay man who should be remembered, he was highly responsible for cracking the enigma code! Sadly due to England's laws and society, all did not go well. But to this day he is one of my heroes due to his talent in Cryptography and his membership to the LGBT+ community!
@@honkhonk8009 shut up loser, even in countries that have the most "lgbt rights" lgbt ppl are still discriminated against and murdered for who they are... gfys :D
I believe Turing was killed by the government; (with estrogen injections?) because they didn't need him after his services in the war. (they'd fear, he could pose a problem in the future). Same thing with John Nash; I strongly believe the government gave him hallucinogens, or induced his mental illness in some other way. chewed on, and spat out... \m/
@@erlgro He was made to take estrogen injections in return for probation instead of imprisonment, his death was 2 years later from cyanide poisoning, believed to be suicide, though there was also evidence that it may have been accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes from electroplating equipment he had. Still a tragedy but it wasn't an assassination or execution.
That's mostly a lie, he did his part no doubt but they leave out the Polish doing the majority of the work and escaping when Poland fell, the Brits finding the weather station with the code book, AND finding the last wheel of the enigma machine. It's a lot easier to figure out the code when you have all that and makes Turing a lot less impressive then.
A little known historical fact: Eight years before Stonewall, Milwaukee was the scene of an early uprising unlike anything local police had ever seen before. On Saturday night, Aug. 5, 1961, four troublemakers got more trouble than they bargained for at the Black Nite (400 N. Plankinton Ave.,) one of Milwaukee's most popular gay bars of the time. partying at a Kane Place tavern, four 20-year-old servicemen (Kenneth Kensche, John Cianciolo, Bruce Pulkkila and Edward Flynn) decided to check out the Black Nite on a dare. Despite being asked several times, they refused to show any identification to the bouncer and wound up being forcibly removed. One of the servicemen would later claim that he was grabbed, punched and hit on the head with a bottle for no reason. But that’s not exactly what happened. "We didn’t start anything, but we sure as hell finished it,"said Josie Carter, contributor to the Wisconsin LGBT History Project in 2011. "Those guys only came down there to cause trouble. When he tried to kick them out, they all tried to fight him. And I thought, 'Oh no, you’re not going to hurt MY husband.' I went out there with a beer bottle in each hand, ready to knock some heads. "This man turned on me. I thought, I can’t let him put his hands on me. He was big, and he kept coming at me. I thought he would kill me. In that moment, I could fight off an army in a bathrobe. I let him have everything that was in that bottle. He went down." The servicemen fled the bar, took their injured friend to the County Emergency Hospital and went back to the Kane Place tavern. They rounded up a dozen men and decided to go back Downtown and "clean up the Black Nite." "Wally said, 'OK, you guys have to get out of here, because God knows what is about to happen.' But we did not run from a fight. We did not run from nothing," said Josie. "And, wouldn’t you know it, those big ass mothers came back and just tore apart that bar, looking for little old me and my husband, because their buddy got beat up." Wally Whetham later reported that "this gang came in and started tearing the bar apart, and the bar fought back." Earlier that night, the servicemen had found a nearly empty bar and a 4-1 fight against the bouncer. This time, they found a packed bar of 75 patrons ready and willing to defend their turf by any means necessary. The battle didn’t last long, but it was intense: One patron suffered extreme lacerations when he was thrown through a broken window; another patron experienced a brain concussion when he was hit in the head with a barstool.
@@timpullen4941 there are other languages that actually include h in that rule. For example, the Latin words ex and ab change depending on the letter of the next word including h. So “ego ē villā” because there isn’t a vowel or h but “ego ex hortō” because the next word starts with a vowel or h
It's so overwhelming having knowledge about the history of LGBT. I believe they also said Philippines was LGBT friendly before the spaniards ever forced their religion, "Christianity" to us, and just imagine if that didn't happened? Will this archipelago with thousands of islands be LGBT friendly? As a gay person myself, gay people are suffering here because of mistreatment towards the community. We also have this eveil, homophobic politician named "Manny Pacquiao" and I just hopes they'll never elect him as president for this upcoming election in May, 2022 because that's pure stupidity, he doesn't think of us as human beings. I have no choice but to immigrate to one of the countries which has same-sex marriage.
fellow filipino here! in some tribal religions (pre-colonial) they had queer gods/goddesses/deities/shamans etc. in general queer people were normalised/common and there were no stigma. though i don’t truly believe that everyone was accepting for various reasons. also i didn’t knew about manny tho
For those who didn’t know, Alexander Hamilton, writer of the constitution, is suspected to be Bisexual, and may have even had a relationship with John Laurens, one of his “close friends”, and even had more enthusiasm describing his love for Laurens then he did describing his own wife! And looking at letter between the two, it is pretty evident, there is a book where you can see all recovered letters
@@TheTrooper1878 you know scrubbing public figures of their identities to make them more comfortable for homophobes to accept and thus allowing them to further appropriate history in order to justify their own bigoted beliefs is bad right?
@@TheTrooper1878 you really have terrible reading comprehension, so I’ll try to dumb this down for you. Mean people like to look up to people like Alexander Hamilton, but don’t like gay people (because they’re mean) so if we make the sexuality of their hero’s easier to see, we take the mean peoples hero’s away from them, and gives them less historical figures to point to when they’re trying to be mean to people. There, now even a 4th grader can understand what I said and how stopping the historical appropriation of queer people by bigots is good.
Thank you so much for this information. Being a gay man and knowing our history as well as living though it. I'm very proud of all you do for our community. I'm a proud 67 year old gay man. Out at 13 to my family in Ohio and out to the world in 1973. Take care.
It is still terrifying now, but if you have money in the usa or live in a country with free/affordable healthcare it is at least possible to live with it.
This was mostly accurate except that 1. The first law to accept homosexual relationships was in the achaemenid empire at around 500 BCE And 2. Alexander the great was openly bi, so he would be the first person in a position of power to be openly LGBTQ+
Funfact, Switzerland had a referendum (national voting) on the 26th of September 2021 and voted at 2/3 for marriage equality and it will come in effect on the 1st of July 2022
Good work! But it’s actually 31 countries that have legalized same-sex marriage. Chile and Switzerland will enact it in 2022 but the law was enacted in 2021, and they’re already passing I believe. On average, 1.5 countries have legalized it per year. Making up about 1.2 billion of the population having access to marriage equality. Let’s hope the trend continues.
7:16 I do wonder about the "Trajan as first gay emperor" thing, given that the Ancient Greeks assumed men could be attracted to anyone. Though that would make people like Alexander the Great, who had a documented eunuch lover, two wives, and probably-longterm-male-partner Hephaestion bisexual by our definitions, so maybe that's the distinction? Though there was that Chinese emperor who gave rise to the term "cut sleeve" for gay people when he cut off the sleeve of his robe to avoid waking up his boyfriend, and people in the court apparently thought that was super cute and started imitating him!
These videos really encourage me . I'm still closeted and my parents are super religious ( my father is super homophobic) , but your all videos make me feel that I'm valid and proud for myself to be a part of LGBTQ. Thank you very much for your efforts.❤️🏳️🌈
Just tell them if they hate you then they are hypocrites for you are not supposed to hate but forgive. I'm religious myself and trust me not telling them will just make them more entrenched in there ideals you must remind them that god loves all his children and that mistranslations of his word do not give them the right to peruscute anyone. Seriously if they don't love you for who you are then they arnt as religious or following gods teachings as they say they are even if they disown you and abandon you remember you have an entire community of people like you to look after you and other who will accept you may the lord bless you.
If you are to tell in the future, make sure you research and find shelter, a friend's house, or somewhere safe and warm. Just incase they're THAT heavy on it, and kick you out. Pack a bag of necessities and cash. Find a place where you can support yourself, like get a job, so you can pay rent if you choose to live with someone. I'd encourage, not to tell until you can legally drive and get a job.
@Demicleas I want to come out to them but I don't have enough courage and I'm also not financially stable(in case they kick me out). So I will study hard, then come out so that I can financially support myself .Thank you for giving me courage .
@Rose Crealupy Thank you a lot for your advice. I don't think there are many people around me who will support me but i will try my best to support myself.
@@ifyourehomophobicgojowillk5402 Please be careful. You may also need to form a faux relationship with someone of the opposite gender in the same situation as you to keep both of you safe. If they ever suspect you are.
i lived in the UAE for 7 years, it was confusing, anyone can be gay, but you dont talk about, because if you do; you get jailed or worse, deported, or even worse: executed. So for a long time i didnt know that "gay" existed, i knew men can like men but i didnt understand, but now im in the UK where i see flags everywhere and it is just euphoric.
aaah videos like these always make me emotional 😭 for so long, our community and its history has always been erased from history on paper, but now, with the advent of queer historians who make it their personal mission to reclaim our shared history as a community, i now have hope that maybe we can mitigate the damages done on our history after all 😭 keep up this good work!!!
Thanks,now I'm sure that I'm normal,well in the past I was bullied because I was friends only with girls,but now I'm in college and I know that I'm bi and I'm sure I'm normal
17:01 I did research on Aids and it's said that it began when a person ate chimpanzees that were infected with diseases. But I'm not 100 percent sure if thats the case, I'll have to do more research, and I'm completely open to anyone educating me if I got anything wrong!
@@danielcrafter9349 I am not forcing anything to anyone. It doesn't change the fact that the cabal is inverting/perverting basically everything and yes, I am a transwoman and I am able to question things!
And so, just skipped over the ancient Greeks, where homosexuality was accepted and celebrated. Also, no mention at all of early Chinese and Indian societies where homosexuality was a common part of life -- right up to the level of the emperor.
As history student I can say that facts in video are relatable and can be considered as important moments. BUT. But I just have to say, that one thing in this video was a massive bullshit. That dumb graph. It's just so flawed. It makes no sense. 1. You can't translate one or two specific facts into general graph as proof of maximal acceptance (according to graph). In that case every cave painting of heterosexual relationship woud mean exact opposite. Or it would mean that if I and my brother like some new movie, everybody in the world like that movie too. 2. Graph is flawed in representing value of facts. Why legal marriage in ancient Rome is shown as maximal acceptance, while legal marriage in present day is shown as minimal acceptance. 3. That type of graph is acumulative, which is good for things like bank account, but not for part of social system, that isn't exact. sociology at all isn't exact science = you can't translate sociology into pure numbers and equations.
Random bi guy here. While the super ancient examples like the cave paintings and such are very significant and interesting because they confirm LGBT people existed back then, it's a bit of a stretch to draw the conclusion that the whole culture was heavily accepting of them. That's like historians and archeologists of the future finding evidence of LGBT people existing in our time period and assuming that everyone in our time period was heavily accepting too. I imagine it was probably nuanced and complicated back then just like nowadays. We'll probably never know definitively though, it is called prehistory for a reason after all. Otherwise, a well made and informative video.
I just want to add about the Nazi time that 1. Lesbians could get send to concentration camps, wearing a black triangle and marked as antisocial. 2. Even after the Nazi regime in Germany the law that made homosexual acts illegal wasn’t lifted. So people who were sent into jail by the Nazis still had to do their time even after Germany was in the hands of the Allies/ had their new democracy. The law remained up until 1994! (It had existed before too, but the Nazis added some parts and pushed actually imprisoning people for it)
@@wannabecake1 from what I heard they were given the least amount of food and the most amount of physical work for some time. I don’t know what it looked like after the first few years when the Nazis got crueler and crueler though.
Note: no “witches” were burned in the Salem witch trials, that was a European thing. Punishment in Salem was hanging or essentially stacking rocks on someone until they can’t breathe
I don't know why but I started tearing up watching this, it's really incredible to hear out history, and what we as a community have accomplished in all these years :')
Plato’s philosophy on love was based on same sex relationships! And it was commonly accepted during his time that Achilles and Patroclus from the Iliad were lovers.
3:49 About Egypt, I just wanna say that they criminalized homosexuality in the year 2000. Many islamic countries have these laws, and Iran has to be the worst case of it all.
7:46 Visigoth kingdom of Toledo, SPAIN🇪🇸. It covered the whole Iberian peninsula and southern France. They’re descendants were the ones who kicked out the Muslim invaders in 1492, same year that the new world was discovered
I'm not saying Jews weren't treated poorly, please understand me. I'm saying - yes, of course Jews were treated terrible. But gay men were discriminated against by BOTH Nazis and Jewish prisoners in concentration camps. Then on the Allies side of the war, gay men were treated terribly there too. So while sure, the Jews had it bad - at least some people were on their side. For gay men, no one was on their side, not even the Jews.
I will start my degree in ancient history very soon and it baffles how much lgbtq+ history is completely ignored most of the time. Even with solid proof in certain instances historians still say that a big part of it is "unconfirmed" or "lack proof". It really frustrates me.
Hi, I'm from Uruguay. I think we were the first ones in America (the continent) to recognise LGBTQ+ civil unions in 2008 and marriages in 2012, along with weed legalization, abortion and other nice things. Though I am heterosexual, I'm proud of every person that fights in order to make a difference and makes me truly happy all the positive things that are happening. We have to make sure to never repeat what other people did in the near past since there are A LOT of things we need to change in order to live in equity. Love knows no gender, color or faith!!!! Peace.
I love this so much. Wow. Going to share this with everyone! You mispronounced some of the words like Emperor Trajan “Tray-Jin” is like how most historians pronounce his name in English. Your work is incredible though! Really glad I watched this! Brilliant work :)
I've stopped after the stonewall inn part. As a massive history enjoyer and someone who considers themselves pretty informed on some of these topics I believe what you have brought up as a severe miscommunication of history. First off your timeline is completely wrong, for most of history in most of the population centers of the world (China and India) being a homosexual was a real crime, you could get killed or turned into a eunuch. and those cultures haven't really changed much since then besides the eunuch part. but you will still be shamed and essentially removed from society if you are found out as homosexual in the places of history where most of the people lived. And to that point everything you mention in this video is a completely westernized point of view. the ancient Assyrians which you have clearly never heard of since you cant pronounce their name for the life of you were a very tolerant society similar to the ottomans or Persians of the coming centuries. They are an outlier NOT the standard by any means. the same goes for the rest of the points. not only this but every time you bring up the bible you always say "we don't know why" in some form or another. the answer is simple. Gay people don't make kids. and if you notice the first change is after the fall of the roman empire when people were sparse and constantly raided, its a pretty simple deduction that can be brought up with a few google searches or reading any actual sources on the topic. In my opinion the graph should be much more like a line of absolute 0 for pretty much all of history and spiking up in the recent decades, its pretty much inconceivably that you think past societies were more opening to homosexuals. other than that I enjoyed the ww2 section of the video and found it pretty interesting as I myself am bisexual. have a good day and I hope I taught you something about something I love!!!
looking into this, i would also suggest the works of david wojnarowicz, a gay man whom was diagnosed with AIDS in the 1980s, he was a painter, photographer, writer, filmmaker, performance artist, songwriting artist, and possibly one of the most important AIDS activists to know one of his most famous works is "one day this kid..." - an art piece describing in the injustice against teenage boys who discover that they wish to love ones of the same sex
1:50 - 2:02, dude, homosexuality did happen back then, we have records of it happening in the early Bible, that doesn't mean it was widely accepted back then, also that may have depicted men playing games together or hanging out, just because there are two men near each other does not mean they are supposed to be depicted as having gay intercourse. Also, if the majority of the world was gay and or "approved" being gay then the world population would be a hell of a lot less than it currently is, considering that there were only about 5 million people back then, if there was a large portion that were gay humans might not have existed today, being gay was an extreme minority of the population back then, and still is today.
First part yes, second part no. You don't know that lol. Besides, your argument bases itself on the assumption that people turn gay. India was very accepting of lgbt before the brits came and they still had a big population.
@@ckaybit dude i'm talking over 11,000 years ago, not 200, and also yes people turn gay, no one is born inherently gay, being gay comes from life experience and discovering you are who you are, and again, 11,600 years ago there were no "big populations" worldwide there were estimated to be about 5 million people. Like i said as well, being gay has ALWAYS been a minority of the population, and all major religions spanning all the way until current date say that being gay is either a sin or something you should not do or act as.
@@smwish6010 Being gay doesn't come inherently from life expierence and "discovering who you are". Its so crazy how people like you can say a flat out opinion as if its a proven fact, especially with no further explanation, sources, or reason.
@@noncatholiccatholicrat6309 nah I mean if you can tell me a legitimate case of someone being born gay with actual proof I'll believe you, but your saying this, watching and believing this video maker's bs so please don't get into "flat out opinion...with no further explanation..." - you
maybe when the aromatic asexuals throw their weight around they will be accepted and lgbtqp people will stop saying things to them they would never tolerate being told to them(mentaly ill, get your hormones checked, asking if they were abused, being told they haven't met the right person yet, how do you know if you haven't tried it, "shut up about your lifestyle, nobody cares"
Literally one of the best intros ever. 💜🦄😅 "KINDA diiicks" 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously, nothing but love and support for the amazing message and work this channel produces (also the period acronyms are amazing and relief-giving.)
Thank you for making this. I finally accepted who I was back in 2020. I feel very in the dark about our history and was overwhelmed regarding where to start And thank you people in the comments for recommending further information!
Japan had male homosexuality (nannshoku) going since the yayoi first arrived, so much that it’s a punchline in historic drama. It’s associated with masculinity and warrior culture, so it’s quite different to the west. There’s sex, but no marriage. More so an entertainment partnership rather than modern homosexuality. Because of that association, during the early imperial years, nannshoku ran rampant in the military branches. As part of modernisation, Meiji government discouraged acts of homosexuality, but, since nannshoku is associated with masculinity, it’s a bit weird. Nannshoku was fully banned when people started hunting down boys for pleasure after the Russo-Japanese war, big oof there. In historical drama, or just random shows even, nannshoku influences can still be seen but often as punchlines rather than anything serious. Post-war Yakuza group members can sometimes have a non-binary motif, not sure about actual orientation. BL (boys love) content is currently around, very popular but only with female readership. Not so much anything girls love.
Bro said Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents. I don't like him for his homophobia and his actions taken against drugs. But he wasn't one of the worst. That can go to Woodrow Wilson, Nixon, George W Bush, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden.
This was very interesting. I've never looked into our LGBTQ history before and it was nice to learn about, and I'm absolutely shocked that gay marriage has only been legalizd since 2015 in the US
It was lefalized here and there in some states before 2015, but because it was each state’s decision, that meant pretty much no south state had it legal. In 2015 is when it became legal at the federal level, and i remember it happening. Since then still there have been a few “protesters” in government jobs who refused to marry gay couples for “religious reasons”
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in this video ,i wish u put abt transgender culture (hijras), or hope u can make a separate video abt it it would wonderful :))
538 bce biblical reference of adding death as a penalty....where did you source that information?
@@racheal2004 Yeah, hey I wasnt ASKING YOU.. I WAS ASKING THE AUTHOR OF THIS VIDEO. DIDNT YOU READ IT?
@@pv8340 oh my bad sorry
For those that didn't know, Canada had decriminalized homosexual intimacy in 1969, and fully legalized same-sex marriage across the whole country in 2005. It was legal in Ontario in 2003.
That's fantastic to hear, thank you for sharing!
Wait so does that mean while same-sex marriage is legal, couples can’t show intimacy in public?
@@black369ace7 straight couples can't show intimacy in public either
@@rileytubegaming9065 yes they can- you can walk around and see many straight people holding hands without getting side glances, but when it comes to gay people, they get a lot of looks
@@atlastherando8928 are we talking about the same thing lmao, I'm talking about sex.
Of course it was going well until modern religions appeared. Not surprising at all
Yeah. I’m a gay Christian but a lot of people say I don’t exist 🙃
Tuue!.
Now THAT’s the most honest comment I’ve ever read🏳️🌈🙂🏳️🌈
Nah
@@paper_nezu7571 same lol
I don't think it's fair to say that everyone in the past was accepting just because we have evidence of some people being accepting. I am sure lots of people in the past also had their struggles and battles to fight.
Yeah, this is proof that it did exist back then, not that it was common or accepted widely
I think as history went on people disliked it more lol
Exactly this. This is an issue I have with content like this. Individual cases aren’t a good indication of societal views as a whole. This also lumps in all cultures and shows a very linear view of history.
What would be the reason for them to not be accepting tho
@@twentyeight602 The exact same reasons people are not accepting today:
-Religious beliefs
-Toxic social norms
-Lack of understanding
-Belief it "unnatural" to be LGBT+
-Personal disgust (lots of people find the thought of homosexual relationships and sex to be disgusting)
@@twentyeight602Because humans suck. And religious, cultural, societal, same reasons as always really. It was nitpicky state that they had full acceptance from such few cases. Plus it took a purely western view on the matter.
It's surprising that there are barely any stories or records shared from global south. South Asian subcontinent for example has many historic queer stories. Same in many places in rest of the Asia, Africa and South America.
So many of the things were destroyed by imperialism and colonialism.
Yes! A lot of this video was about Christian and White history.
@@alternativetime2778 and mostly male..also there was the thing where he said gay people were treated worse than Jews..
@@alternativetime2778The other areas and ethnicities of the world have surely produced stories and records regarding their queer histories as well. It’s unlikely that their histories include much or anything about North America and Europe.
South America was always largely homophobic even today. And yes many records were destroyed but , the people now in power are str8, Christian wo/men that never cared to find it because they only care about the str8, Christian side of history which keeps being shoved down our throats since elementary school.
"THOSE FECKIN GREEKS! THEY INVENTED GAYNESS!"
(I'll sub to you if you get the reference)
@@joebaumgart1146 Father Ted??
Its not the greeks its the Chinese he's after
I'm sorry to correct you, Professor, but I think you forgot one of the most iconic days for the community, the birthday of Alcibiades, lover of Socrates and a total fashion bicon...
That’s another great one, thank you for bringing that up.
I thought about Sappho, on Lesbos island, and the anti trans bill for WC...
Bro that relationship was pederasty if it even happened, idk what there is to celebrate about that
@@Martin-ph8zx yeah it was pedestary, but what is to celebrate was the sexual liberty those Ancients had. It really didn't matter what your sexuality was back then, and in a society where a lot of values, including christian ones, are inspired by Plato, I feel like it's a good reminder of the meaning of the history of what we now call LGBTQ+. And Alcibiades is undeniably an damn ancient icon, and nobody can take this away from me lmao
@@noemie1771 More sexual liberty was a thing among the elites and aristocrats in ancient Greece, commoners didn't practice it. Also saying your sexuality didn't matter back then (in a general sense) is such an overreaching conclusion.
"NO! They were roomates! Brothers! Friends! Anything but lovers!"
History hates lovers
Me and my "roommate" agree with this.
Oh my god they were roomates
@@unirarhissa7697 -- Oh no! Not roommates!! 😱😵
I love historic roommates, especially when they were both women, never married, and often went out clubbing in mens clothes
fun fact:their is a whole culture of transgender in india and we call trans people as hijras in india, this culture was way back in 12th century.. theirs even a transgender god in Hinduism called aravan
"TheRe'S nO gAY peOpLE In hIStorY"
“ThE LefT Is SPeWinG TheIR LiES”
“THEY WERE SUCH GREAT FRIENDS”
“ThEY wErE jUsT RoOmaTEs”
@@bear_bear7766
Oh my god, they were roommates…
@@SamuelSamuelSamuel1tHEy WeRE JusT BudDiEs
About the nazis: We also can't forget that Ernst Röhm, the leader of the nazi's paramilitary SA, was also openly gay. Hitler simply tolerated it at first, but he ordered his death after being told that Röhm was trying to molest children (which probably wasn't true). Röhm was then executed in his prison cell by two SS men on the first of July 1934 after he had been captured during the Röhm Putsch which began a day earlier.
And after his death Hitler really began pushing the anti gay laws. At first it seemed like gay people were „safe“ (they weren’t really before but they haven’t been in a focus) but this soon changed.
That's not true. The excuse Hitler gave for killing Röhm was because he was led into thinking Röhm was going to overthrow him. Literally nothing to do with molesting children.
@@tomasroma2333 Well first your source
@@Muflie Richard Evans (one of the most respected historians on Germany)- The Third Reich in Power
What's your source?
@@tomasroma2333 A documentation done by one of Germany‘s state funded tv channels - the zdf
8:13 and this is why translators have a huge responsibility (speaking as an amateur translator). To be fair translation choices and mistakes usually don't have THIS big of a negative impact, but sometimes it does. And people do die for it.
As a straight guy i must say... This whole historic rewind was so informative, fascinating and entertaining, i couldn't stop watching!
life would be so darn boring without diversity that's for sure! thanks for the video, so much love and support!!! 🏳🌈
Yoo how do u put that emoji
Ur so cool
@@xivering Thanks!
@@King_Andrew how to do face!? :
@@gluemonkeyfan.714 be a channel member
I think it is important to remember our history. LBGTQ+ history is varied and interesting. It is important to remember LGBTQ+ history and activism began before Stonewall. My one critique is: No one was burned in the Salem witch trials. They were hanged except for Giles Corey. He was pressed to death for refusing to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty.
And some died in prison
More weight
Honestly being pressed is worse than being burned alive
There were some trials before the Salem witch trials that killed hundreds to thousands of women that took place in England, Scotland etc. in which women were burned at the stake. He might have been discussing specifically the Salem trials and accidentally messed up a fact, but I thought this was an interesting thing.
@@arlaux1099 madlad didn't complain and didn't plea either, just kept saying "more weight"
My parents were born the year of the Stonewall Riots. The Netherlands legalized gay marriage 2 days after I was born. The US legalized gay marriage my freshman year of high school. Just to give a bit of a time reference. This is very, very recent shit. And yet progress has inched forward extremely slowly.
Thanks! Without our history, we're nothing.
Indeed
You just gave homophobes the opportunity to reply with “you are”
Look, I know how homophobes think. They’re as clear as glass
@@hiimpeyton671Guess What am i thinking i am no homo
And what does "you are'' do exactly
@@insertname1883 “thanks! Without our history, we’re nothing”
“You are”
Which is saying that we are nothing. Thought that would have been obvious
That is not true. The history of people who came before you does not have any impact on the validity of your own identity. Even if there was no history of lgbtq+ acceptance, that wouldn't mean you aren't valid and don't deserve acceptance in the present.
I'm not part of the LGBTQ community but I support you guys
👍
Thank you. It really means a lot.
U the best bruh glad to see someone like u exist
I really appreciate It
And If i could i wish i could Hug you
Bc u are an awesome person
Tnx
Ty bro
We appreciate the support, I hope one day be able to help you too
Epic B)
I don't know man, i'm not denying what you said but that LGBT acceptance graph showing "max acceptance" just beacause some gay couple were recorded in some paintings doesn't seem accurate, i don't think that's enough proof to say 100% of people accepted the LGBT community, or any porcentage at all, they are just drawings.
this graph is so so wrong on so many points, definitely some fuel for LGBT history skeptics that would stumble upon this video
As a queer Christian the role of mistranslating the torah and bible had in queerphobia is so infuriating. I hate having to prove myself to fellow Christians just because someone hundreds or thousands of years ago changed a translation
Heretic
@@ueIl bigot
@@redyeti34 You can't be religious and other than straight. God denounces such lifestyle. And yes I'm a bigot or whatever shitty term you "people" use
@@ueIl yeah, Bigot seems about right, I'm not religious but if hell were real I'd most definitely be seeing you there bucko.
@@ueIl no he doesn’t ur just wrong! it’s a mistranslation try again bigot!
Not my mom telling me 2 days ago “when I was a kid, this just didn’t exist. I just don’t understand” (her sister is a closeted lesbian and has been her whole life)
17:54 _April 4, 2001- Netherlands approved same sex marriage_
_April 4 ,2012- us democratics are the first political party to support queer rights_
"Around a year later-"
*Dw, we, gays aren't good at maths- /nm /pos*
Side note: Happy LGBTQ+ history month from BCN!
@Sumfkn Bunny I didn't mean that, it's more like a meme, but I can really agree that gnc and trans people are still f'd up today...
And let's not talk about the situation in Texas or Florida... That is F*CKED UP, and I'm SORRY for every LGBTQ+ person living there
As a Czech Enby, very glad to know about the grave one
Same here. Hi fellow czech enby!
Fun fact: There's an openly gay K-pop idol named Go Tae-seob who uses the stage name Holland. (He chose it because the Netherlands is also called Holland and they were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage.) I'd say that he's pretty widely known within the K-pop community, though unfortunately some people just know him for being "that one gay K-pop idol," but he's more than just that; he has good music, too. His story is pretty interesting; I'd suggest reading up on him if you like K-pop or generally want to know more about him.
Seeing the super super early depictions of gay couples like the Egyptian ones honestly makes me want to write a story about 2 gay people and their love in ancient times.... I think I'll do that actually, it sounds like a fun little hobby to get started on🤔
Just don't do anchint Greek ones beacuse uhhhhh that usually involves alot of phedophilia.
@@Demicleas ah yes...."anchint"
@@simbasad2 ah yes… “Phedophilia”
@@Demicleas ah yes...... "beacuse"
@@Demicleas You have some spelling mistakes, but it doesn't matter because I still understand what you are saying.
Thanks for the great video!
Alan Turing was another great gay man who should be remembered, he was highly responsible for cracking the enigma code! Sadly due to England's laws and society, all did not go well. But to this day he is one of my heroes due to his talent in Cryptography and his membership to the LGBT+ community!
@@honkhonk8009 shut up loser, even in countries that have the most "lgbt rights" lgbt ppl are still discriminated against and murdered for who they are... gfys :D
I believe Turing was killed by the government; (with estrogen injections?) because they didn't need him after his services in the war.
(they'd fear, he could pose a problem in the future).
Same thing with John Nash; I strongly believe the government gave him hallucinogens, or induced his mental illness in some other way.
chewed on, and spat out...
\m/
@@erlgro He was made to take estrogen injections in return for probation instead of imprisonment, his death was 2 years later from cyanide poisoning, believed to be suicide, though there was also evidence that it may have been accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes from electroplating equipment he had.
Still a tragedy but it wasn't an assassination or execution.
@@thievi_evie It is almost like you can't turn 100% of society into accepting lgbt in 40 years.
That's mostly a lie, he did his part no doubt but they leave out the Polish doing the majority of the work and escaping when Poland fell, the Brits finding the weather station with the code book, AND finding the last wheel of the enigma machine.
It's a lot easier to figure out the code when you have all that and makes Turing a lot less impressive then.
I have visited the stonewall inn before and it was a great experience to be able to see such an important part of our history
A little known historical fact:
Eight years before Stonewall, Milwaukee was the scene of an early uprising unlike anything local police had ever seen before. On Saturday night, Aug. 5, 1961, four troublemakers got more trouble than they bargained for at the Black Nite (400 N. Plankinton Ave.,) one of Milwaukee's most popular gay bars of the time.
partying at a Kane Place tavern, four 20-year-old servicemen (Kenneth Kensche, John Cianciolo, Bruce Pulkkila and Edward Flynn) decided to check out the Black Nite on a dare. Despite being asked several times, they refused to show any identification to the bouncer and wound up being forcibly removed. One of the servicemen would later claim that he was grabbed, punched and hit on the head with a bottle for no reason. But that’s not exactly what happened.
"We didn’t start anything, but we sure as hell finished it,"said Josie Carter, contributor to the Wisconsin LGBT History Project in 2011. "Those guys only came down there to cause trouble. When he tried to kick them out, they all tried to fight him. And I thought, 'Oh no, you’re not going to hurt MY husband.' I went out there with a beer bottle in each hand, ready to knock some heads.
"This man turned on me. I thought, I can’t let him put his hands on me. He was big, and he kept coming at me. I thought he would kill me. In that moment, I could fight off an army in a bathrobe. I let him have everything that was in that bottle. He went down."
The servicemen fled the bar, took their injured friend to the County Emergency Hospital and went back to the Kane Place tavern. They rounded up a dozen men and decided to go back Downtown and "clean up the Black Nite."
"Wally said, 'OK, you guys have to get out of here, because God knows what is about to happen.' But we did not run from a fight. We did not run from nothing," said Josie. "And, wouldn’t you know it, those big ass mothers came back and just tore apart that bar, looking for little old me and my husband, because their buddy got beat up."
Wally Whetham later reported that "this gang came in and started tearing the bar apart, and the bar fought back." Earlier that night, the servicemen had found a nearly empty bar and a 4-1 fight against the bouncer. This time, they found a packed bar of 75 patrons ready and willing to defend their turf by any means necessary.
The battle didn’t last long, but it was intense: One patron suffered extreme lacerations when he was thrown through a broken window; another patron experienced a brain concussion when he was hit in the head with a barstool.
As an historian I loved this
The word 'an' only happens before a vowel. AEIOU. Grammatically in this case it should be 'a' .
@@timpullen4941 there are other languages that actually include h in that rule. For example, the Latin words ex and ab change depending on the letter of the next word including h. So “ego ē villā” because there isn’t a vowel or h but “ego ex hortō” because the next word starts with a vowel or h
@@timpullen4941 he's an historian, not a grammar teacher.
I want to be a gay pirate 🥺
There were lots of gay pirates. There were also pirate marriages.
It's so overwhelming having knowledge about the history of LGBT. I believe they also said Philippines was LGBT friendly before the spaniards ever forced their religion, "Christianity" to us, and just imagine if that didn't happened? Will this archipelago with thousands of islands be LGBT friendly? As a gay person myself, gay people are suffering here because of mistreatment towards the community. We also have this eveil, homophobic politician named "Manny Pacquiao" and I just hopes they'll never elect him as president for this upcoming election in May, 2022 because that's pure stupidity, he doesn't think of us as human beings. I have no choice but to immigrate to one of the countries which has same-sex marriage.
stay safe please 🥺💜
Don't worry, He's best as a boxing champ, rather than a politician.
fellow filipino here! in some tribal religions (pre-colonial) they had queer gods/goddesses/deities/shamans etc. in general queer people were normalised/common and there were no stigma. though i don’t truly believe that everyone was accepting for various reasons. also i didn’t knew about manny tho
Wait what, Manny Pacquiao was homophobic?
For those who didn’t know, Alexander Hamilton, writer of the constitution, is suspected to be Bisexual, and may have even had a relationship with John Laurens, one of his “close friends”, and even had more enthusiasm describing his love for Laurens then he did describing his own wife! And looking at letter between the two, it is pretty evident, there is a book where you can see all recovered letters
And what? How does that affect anything? This is useless rhetoric.
@@TheTrooper1878 you know scrubbing public figures of their identities to make them more comfortable for homophobes to accept and thus allowing them to further appropriate history in order to justify their own bigoted beliefs is bad right?
@@redyeti34 And again, even if he was this kind of person, how does that affect anything. This is still useless rhetoric.
@@TheTrooper1878 you really have terrible reading comprehension, so I’ll try to dumb this down for you.
Mean people like to look up to people like Alexander Hamilton, but don’t like gay people (because they’re mean) so if we make the sexuality of their hero’s easier to see, we take the mean peoples hero’s away from them, and gives them less historical figures to point to when they’re trying to be mean to people.
There, now even a 4th grader can understand what I said and how stopping the historical appropriation of queer people by bigots is good.
@@TheTrooper1878 It's not useless rethoric to investigate history, what was told and what was hidden
Christina: Bi Queen
This made me incredibly happy, things fell fast but are coming back up even faster and it's incredible!
Thank you so much for this information. Being a gay man and knowing our history as well as living though it. I'm very proud of all you do for our community. I'm a proud 67 year old gay man. Out at 13 to my family in Ohio and out to the world in 1973. Take care.
Gays were not treated better in history.
Seeing older gay people that survived gives me hope every time.
17:06
When catching "the gay" was a lot scarier than it is now
It is still terrifying now, but if you have money in the usa or live in a country with free/affordable healthcare it is at least possible to live with it.
Thanks for this video, im happy and proud for my self as a trans mtf
Me to.
same but as ftm
@@JestrrJack897 I’m also ftm :>
@roliuu I really hope you will get better, be safe❤️
Me too
This was mostly accurate except that 1. The first law to accept homosexual relationships was in the achaemenid empire at around 500 BCE
And 2. Alexander the great was openly bi, so he would be the first person in a position of power to be openly LGBTQ+
Funfact, Switzerland had a referendum (national voting) on the 26th of September 2021 and voted at 2/3 for marriage equality and it will come in effect on the 1st of July 2022
well, one of the best countries just became a awful. Congrats Switzerland, may this mistake not be repeated
@@taviiancu L + Ratio + Bigot + bad grammar
Good work! But it’s actually 31 countries that have legalized same-sex marriage. Chile and Switzerland will enact it in 2022 but the law was enacted in 2021, and they’re already passing I believe. On average, 1.5 countries have legalized it per year.
Making up about 1.2 billion of the population having access to marriage equality. Let’s hope the trend continues.
Very important fact: Stonewall, it began because of two transgender women, and they were not white.
7:16 I do wonder about the "Trajan as first gay emperor" thing, given that the Ancient Greeks assumed men could be attracted to anyone. Though that would make people like Alexander the Great, who had a documented eunuch lover, two wives, and probably-longterm-male-partner Hephaestion bisexual by our definitions, so maybe that's the distinction? Though there was that Chinese emperor who gave rise to the term "cut sleeve" for gay people when he cut off the sleeve of his robe to avoid waking up his boyfriend, and people in the court apparently thought that was super cute and started imitating him!
the beginning of the video proved to me that humans are in their purest form inclusive and loving. power inequality causes most of our problems
These videos really encourage me . I'm still closeted and my parents are super religious ( my father is super homophobic) , but your all videos make me feel that I'm valid and proud for myself to be a part of LGBTQ. Thank you very much for your efforts.❤️🏳️🌈
Just tell them if they hate you then they are hypocrites for you are not supposed to hate but forgive. I'm religious myself and trust me not telling them will just make them more entrenched in there ideals you must remind them that god loves all his children and that mistranslations of his word do not give them the right to peruscute anyone. Seriously if they don't love you for who you are then they arnt as religious or following gods teachings as they say they are even if they disown you and abandon you remember you have an entire community of people like you to look after you and other who will accept you may the lord bless you.
If you are to tell in the future, make sure you research and find shelter, a friend's house, or somewhere safe and warm. Just incase they're THAT heavy on it, and kick you out. Pack a bag of necessities and cash. Find a place where you can support yourself, like get a job, so you can pay rent if you choose to live with someone. I'd encourage, not to tell until you can legally drive and get a job.
@Demicleas I want to come out to them but I don't have enough courage and I'm also not financially stable(in case they kick me out). So I will study hard, then come out so that I can financially support myself .Thank you for giving me courage .
@Rose Crealupy Thank you a lot for your advice. I don't think there are many people around me who will support me but i will try my best to support myself.
@@ifyourehomophobicgojowillk5402 Please be careful. You may also need to form a faux relationship with someone of the opposite gender in the same situation as you to keep both of you safe. If they ever suspect you are.
i lived in the UAE for 7 years, it was confusing, anyone can be gay, but you dont talk about, because if you do; you get jailed or worse, deported, or even worse: executed. So for a long time i didnt know that "gay" existed, i knew men can like men but i didnt understand, but now im in the UK where i see flags everywhere and it is just euphoric.
aaah videos like these always make me emotional 😭 for so long, our community and its history has always been erased from history on paper, but now, with the advent of queer historians who make it their personal mission to reclaim our shared history as a community, i now have hope that maybe we can mitigate the damages done on our history after all 😭 keep up this good work!!!
19:09, there's something so funny to me about the sentence "gay pirates roamed the seas"
@ocsanik502 this is just ateez
Interesting. Although, many "first time...." sentences might be more accurate if "as far as we currently know" where added.
"In honour of the United Kingdom's LGBTQ History Month"
*Happy British noises*
Thanks,now I'm sure that I'm normal,well in the past I was bullied because I was friends only with girls,but now I'm in college and I know that I'm bi and I'm sure I'm normal
17:01 I did research on Aids and it's said that it began when a person ate chimpanzees that were infected with diseases. But I'm not 100 percent sure if thats the case, I'll have to do more research, and I'm completely open to anyone educating me if I got anything wrong!
16:13 - Good to see a flag with the right color order (red at the bottom, violet at the top) like it is in the chakra system.
...the flag has literally nothing to do with the chakra system, tho
Why you forcing your spirituality on the rest of us? Right way, indeed!
@@danielcrafter9349 I am not forcing anything to anyone. It doesn't change the fact that the cabal is inverting/perverting basically everything and yes, I am a transwoman and I am able to question things!
SPAIN 🇪🇸 legalized gay marriage = 2005
That had a huge impact worldwide in Europe and in all Latin America including USA.
And so, just skipped over the ancient Greeks, where homosexuality was accepted and celebrated. Also, no mention at all of early Chinese and Indian societies where homosexuality was a common part of life -- right up to the level of the emperor.
We don't learn this stuff in schools so thank you for your videos. :)
very nicely edited video! i learned some stuff i didn't even know! do you have a list of sources you use for your videos?
Yes we do, all of our sources are listed in the description of each episode.
As history student I can say that facts in video are relatable and can be considered as important moments. BUT. But I just have to say, that one thing in this video was a massive bullshit. That dumb graph. It's just so flawed. It makes no sense.
1. You can't translate one or two specific facts into general graph as proof of maximal acceptance (according to graph). In that case every cave painting of heterosexual relationship woud mean exact opposite. Or it would mean that if I and my brother like some new movie, everybody in the world like that movie too.
2. Graph is flawed in representing value of facts. Why legal marriage in ancient Rome is shown as maximal acceptance, while legal marriage in present day is shown as minimal acceptance.
3. That type of graph is acumulative, which is good for things like bank account, but not for part of social system, that isn't exact. sociology at all isn't exact science = you can't translate sociology into pure numbers and equations.
If that was the kind of history we were learning at school that would of been my favorite subject
Random bi guy here. While the super ancient examples like the cave paintings and such are very significant and interesting because they confirm LGBT people existed back then, it's a bit of a stretch to draw the conclusion that the whole culture was heavily accepting of them. That's like historians and archeologists of the future finding evidence of LGBT people existing in our time period and assuming that everyone in our time period was heavily accepting too. I imagine it was probably nuanced and complicated back then just like nowadays. We'll probably never know definitively though, it is called prehistory for a reason after all. Otherwise, a well made and informative video.
I just want to add about the Nazi time that 1. Lesbians could get send to concentration camps, wearing a black triangle and marked as antisocial.
2. Even after the Nazi regime in Germany the law that made homosexual acts illegal wasn’t lifted. So people who were sent into jail by the Nazis still had to do their time even after Germany was in the hands of the Allies/ had their new democracy. The law remained up until 1994! (It had existed before too, but the Nazis added some parts and pushed actually imprisoning people for it)
yea, this is true. But i don't know why he said homosexuals were treated the worst, becuase they were not.
@@wannabecake1 from what I heard they were given the least amount of food and the most amount of physical work for some time. I don’t know what it looked like after the first few years when the Nazis got crueler and crueler though.
Note: no “witches” were burned in the Salem witch trials, that was a European thing. Punishment in Salem was hanging or essentially stacking rocks on someone until they can’t breathe
Thank you so much for making this. LGBTQ+ eraser is far too rampant in our history lessons today.
I don't know why but I started tearing up watching this, it's really incredible to hear out history, and what we as a community have accomplished in all these years :')
You’ve accomplished being one of the worst groups of people on the planet for centuries. Congrats.
Plato’s philosophy on love was based on same sex relationships! And it was commonly accepted during his time that Achilles and Patroclus from the Iliad were lovers.
This is very informative. It doesn’t really account for any homophobic cavemen, because how would we know if they were homophobic?
" One of the worst presidents in history, Ronald Reagan"
*subbed*
Ronald Reagan was literally one of the best presidents in history.
learned so much about lgbt history in 20 mins than school will ever teach you
why would they teach us thsi crap in schools?
@@taviiancu because this crap is important.
@@taviiancu try to learn basic English first. Btw look they are kissing 🥰🥰👩❤️💋👩💏👨❤️💋👨
3:49 About Egypt, I just wanna say that they criminalized homosexuality in the year 2000.
Many islamic countries have these laws, and Iran has to be the worst case of it all.
Really great and informative video! Keep up the good work
kinda weird that its just "yea sure you can be gay." and then it just suddenly "HELL NAW THATS BAD AF WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT"
7:46 Visigoth kingdom of Toledo, SPAIN🇪🇸. It covered the whole Iberian peninsula and southern France. They’re descendants were the ones who kicked out the Muslim invaders in 1492, same year that the new world was discovered
Very informative, glad I had this video recommended to me :)
Absolutely amazing video! Subscribed.
im sorry but saying gay men were treated worse than jews is just wrong.
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I'm not saying Jews weren't treated poorly, please understand me. I'm saying - yes, of course Jews were treated terrible. But gay men were discriminated against by BOTH Nazis and Jewish prisoners in concentration camps. Then on the Allies side of the war, gay men were treated terribly there too. So while sure, the Jews had it bad - at least some people were on their side. For gay men, no one was on their side, not even the Jews.
@@PoweredByRainbows am sorry that you have to respond to that Again and Again. I think3that you did well. 👋🏻
this made me really emotional tbh, thank you for it
nice
I just love that intro
I will start my degree in ancient history very soon and it baffles how much lgbtq+ history is completely ignored most of the time. Even with solid proof in certain instances historians still say that a big part of it is "unconfirmed" or "lack proof".
It really frustrates me.
Hi, I'm from Uruguay. I think we were the first ones in America (the continent) to recognise LGBTQ+ civil unions in 2008 and marriages in 2012, along with weed legalization, abortion and other nice things.
Though I am heterosexual, I'm proud of every person that fights in order to make a difference and makes me truly happy all the positive things that are happening.
We have to make sure to never repeat what other people did in the near past since there are A LOT of things we need to change in order to live in equity.
Love knows no gender, color or faith!!!! Peace.
No in Canada it was in 2005. And earlier than that for some provinces.
@@Coccinelf oh thank you, I did not know.
I love this so much. Wow. Going to share this with everyone!
You mispronounced some of the words like Emperor Trajan “Tray-Jin” is like how most historians pronounce his name in English.
Your work is incredible though! Really glad I watched this! Brilliant work :)
I've stopped after the stonewall inn part. As a massive history enjoyer and someone who considers themselves pretty informed on some of these topics I believe what you have brought up as a severe miscommunication of history. First off your timeline is completely wrong, for most of history in most of the population centers of the world (China and India) being a homosexual was a real crime, you could get killed or turned into a eunuch. and those cultures haven't really changed much since then besides the eunuch part. but you will still be shamed and essentially removed from society if you are found out as homosexual in the places of history where most of the people lived. And to that point everything you mention in this video is a completely westernized point of view. the ancient Assyrians which you have clearly never heard of since you cant pronounce their name for the life of you were a very tolerant society similar to the ottomans or Persians of the coming centuries. They are an outlier NOT the standard by any means. the same goes for the rest of the points. not only this but every time you bring up the bible you always say "we don't know why" in some form or another. the answer is simple. Gay people don't make kids. and if you notice the first change is after the fall of the roman empire when people were sparse and constantly raided, its a pretty simple deduction that can be brought up with a few google searches or reading any actual sources on the topic. In my opinion the graph should be much more like a line of absolute 0 for pretty much all of history and spiking up in the recent decades, its pretty much inconceivably that you think past societies were more opening to homosexuals. other than that I enjoyed the ww2 section of the video and found it pretty interesting as I myself am bisexual. have a good day and I hope I taught you something about something I love!!!
This is more for the western sorta space, but otherwise yh fair point
that is what people like to do on these issues. even to the point that they will say anti pedestery graffiti is homophobic graffiti
looking into this, i would also suggest the works of david wojnarowicz, a gay man whom was diagnosed with AIDS in the 1980s,
he was a painter, photographer, writer, filmmaker, performance artist, songwriting artist, and possibly one of the most important AIDS activists to know
one of his most famous works is "one day this kid..." - an art piece describing in the injustice against teenage boys who discover that they wish to love ones of the same sex
These are proud days for us folks
I would have a 10/10 on history classes if I had you as the teacher
1:50 - 2:02, dude, homosexuality did happen back then, we have records of it happening in the early Bible, that doesn't mean it was widely accepted back then, also that may have depicted men playing games together or hanging out, just because there are two men near each other does not mean they are supposed to be depicted as having gay intercourse. Also, if the majority of the world was gay and or "approved" being gay then the world population would be a hell of a lot less than it currently is, considering that there were only about 5 million people back then, if there was a large portion that were gay humans might not have existed today, being gay was an extreme minority of the population back then, and still is today.
First part yes, second part no. You don't know that lol. Besides, your argument bases itself on the assumption that people turn gay. India was very accepting of lgbt before the brits came and they still had a big population.
@@ckaybit dude i'm talking over 11,000 years ago, not 200, and also yes people turn gay, no one is born inherently gay, being gay comes from life experience and discovering you are who you are, and again, 11,600 years ago there were no "big populations" worldwide there were estimated to be about 5 million people. Like i said as well, being gay has ALWAYS been a minority of the population, and all major religions spanning all the way until current date say that being gay is either a sin or something you should not do or act as.
@@smwish6010 Being gay doesn't come inherently from life expierence and "discovering who you are". Its so crazy how people like you can say a flat out opinion as if its a proven fact, especially with no further explanation, sources, or reason.
@@noncatholiccatholicrat6309 nah I mean if you can tell me a legitimate case of someone being born gay with actual proof I'll believe you, but your saying this, watching and believing this video maker's bs so please don't get into "flat out opinion...with no further explanation..." - you
6:07 how do you know this time period? Did they have a written tablet because as far as I know Native American written texts were few and far between
Its more like around this time like if i say the brichorisord was a animal living 75 000 year ago. Hope its Help.
We need another Stonewall Riot, honestly. Maybe not an actual riot, but like, get out and make those talking heads out there know we mean business.
maybe when the aromatic asexuals throw their weight around they will be accepted and lgbtqp people will stop saying things to them they would never tolerate being told to them(mentaly ill, get your hormones checked, asking if they were abused, being told they haven't met the right person yet, how do you know if you haven't tried it, "shut up about your lifestyle, nobody cares"
Aside from learning gay histories, I believe learning all kinds of history is important. Thank you so much for this
"Hey, intresting thumbnail, let's watch this video"
...second 35
"...aaaaaand you lost me"
Literally one of the best intros ever. 💜🦄😅 "KINDA diiicks" 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously, nothing but love and support for the amazing message and work this channel produces (also the period acronyms are amazing and relief-giving.)
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for making this. I finally accepted who I was back in 2020. I feel very in the dark about our history and was overwhelmed regarding where to start
And thank you people in the comments for recommending further information!
Japan had male homosexuality (nannshoku) going since the yayoi first arrived, so much that it’s a punchline in historic drama.
It’s associated with masculinity and warrior culture, so it’s quite different to the west. There’s sex, but no marriage. More so an entertainment partnership rather than modern homosexuality.
Because of that association, during the early imperial years, nannshoku ran rampant in the military branches.
As part of modernisation, Meiji government discouraged acts of homosexuality, but, since nannshoku is associated with masculinity, it’s a bit weird.
Nannshoku was fully banned when people started hunting down boys for pleasure after the Russo-Japanese war, big oof there.
In historical drama, or just random shows even, nannshoku influences can still be seen but often as punchlines rather than anything serious.
Post-war Yakuza group members can sometimes have a non-binary motif, not sure about actual orientation.
BL (boys love) content is currently around, very popular but only with female readership. Not so much anything girls love.
You do realize Japanese homosexuality during the medival ages was largely pedophilic in nature?
@@Frenchfrys17 compared to feudal europe it’s nothing.
do people often forget context of the time and culture when they talk about these topics?
@@kaiyodei yep.
@@kaiyodei it’s like saying arquebuses were sniper rifles.
Sorry, I've never heard that example you gave of the text in Leviticus being changed, do you have a source for that please and thank you?
Wow. Less than 15% of countries recognise us as equal human beings. It's better than 0, but it's still a horrible feeling!
I thought the “straight white men bad” bit was satire but damn little did I know I’m a homophobic nazi. My bad
"LgBtQ+ iSnT aPaRt Of HiStOrY"
Lgbtq+ history:
People who say that clearly don’t do research
*is literally history*
Bro said Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents. I don't like him for his homophobia and his actions taken against drugs. But he wasn't one of the worst. That can go to Woodrow Wilson, Nixon, George W Bush, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden.
This was very interesting. I've never looked into our LGBTQ history before and it was nice to learn about, and I'm absolutely shocked that gay marriage has only been legalizd since 2015 in the US
It was lefalized here and there in some states before 2015, but because it was each state’s decision, that meant pretty much no south state had it legal. In 2015 is when it became legal at the federal level, and i remember it happening. Since then still there have been a few “protesters” in government jobs who refused to marry gay couples for “religious reasons”
Him:Gayborhoods. nobody: me:🎵Daniel Tigers Gayborhood(LOL)
Idk why but learning about gay ancient Egyptians with their kids makes me want to cry 😢
they didnt actually burn people at the salem witch trials, they just hung them most of the time
Some mfs really think there's no gay people in history