Drag Race: Ducati Panigale V4R vs Ducati Streetfighter V4S with Tommy Bridewell!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2020
- With a 9% peak torque advantage could the 205bhp #Ducati #StreetfighterV4 really beat its race mate, the 221bhp PanigaleV4R in a 1/4-mile #drag race?
Bennetts British Superbike challenger, and V4R-mounted, Tommy Bridewell joined BikeSocial's Michael Mann on a runway to find out just how emphatic the Streetfighter still is versus the £35,000 thoroughbred Panigale V4R.
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The Ducati won
WHOA, WHOA!! Spoiler Alert!.. Come on Man..!
Wow, who would've guessed i thought the ducati was going to win
But the ducati was lost
Man I thought it would be the Ducati….
Man I hate spoilers
May have been a more interesting comparison with the Panigale V4 S, rather than the R.
I'll take the Streetfighter V4!
Be interesting to see how the SF does with the full Akra System and upmaps :-)
Ya I want to see that as well. It would be a better comparison anyways !
Just pure joy to see how a professional road-racer can get so much more out of the bikes.
But in all fairness, well done to both riders.
Thanks Bjorn - did you notice we used launch control on the first run but not the second? Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial Sorry I didn't! Of course that change the whole thing. Sorry! Not my intention to put anybody in a bad light. My apologies if I did.
@@bjornivar4346 Don't worry, I didn't interpret it that way, I was just saying thanks for your comment and adding a little context to the way in which we ran the races! Glad you enjoyed.
@@bennettsbikesocial Good to hear. :-)
Thanks for the feedback and information. Can't wait for the next exciting video from you. :-)
Will we see an Mv Agusta f4 on the channel anytime soon?? Great video!👍
Cool video thanks for putting this together.
Our pleasure Alex, what would you like to see on the drag strip next? Cheers, Michael
The Streetfighter has Evo 2 torque limiting which neuters the bike, and the V4R does not. That’s the difference.
Psssttt...the R is the original EVO 2 V4. That package came to the mainstream Panigales and the SF from the R. It even says so on Ducati's webpage. All V4 Panigales are torque limited in their lower gears.
BTrain5489 nice try. The 998 and 1103 Panigales use completely different torque mappings since the 1103 makes 20 hp more than the 998 in the midrange (6-12k rpm). The Streetfighter takes this to the extreme using an even more aggressive torque neutering than the 1103 Panigale as it was unrideable in its initial development with the Panigale ecu profiles..from Ducati’s press release.. A flashed 1103 would murder a flashed 998 from a stoplight. The 998 would murder the 1103 on the roll.
@@FancyAnimal Hold on there captain. You claimed the V4R is not torque limited and that was the difference between the two bikes. That is false. You'd be hard pressed to identify a modern RR that isn't torque limited from the factory. You'd have an even harder time identifying one where removing those limitations results in a more rideable bike. Especially trying to launch.
Anyway, I'm not here to bench race with you. I haven't ridden a SFV4 and I'd guess you haven't either. I was just correcting the claim that one bike is limited and the other isn't and that one bike has EVO 2 electronics and the other doesn't. Neither is true.
P.S. Your story about the limiting... Pretty sure there's a video with Alessandro Valia explaining why the SFV4 has wings that covers that topic. According to him used the wings to avoid the need to do radical electronic limiting.
Ppl always think sports tourers and super nakeds aren't far off the superbikes, but in right hands it's a different ball game. Sick video
@@MrLeeson660 yup as someone who owns a full bolt on and tuned streetfighter V4, my good friend with his panigale v4 with the same mods it’s a completely different race i lose every single time lol aero makes a big difference when you’re hanging out there
Great video, thank you guys at bennetts 👍
Our pleasure Lenso, glad you enjoyed. Cheers, Michael
For those who mention H2 here: put that damn supercharger out first, or bring the H2 to the race track. H2 will never stand a chance against these 2 at corners. H2 is only for straights.
H2 is supercharged and in its own game, so never compare it to any of the bike without that.
This is a straight they are testing on, so why the attitude?
Because DRAG Race
Boz he got to talk shit about other bikes beside Ducati to stay relevant
That's like comparing stock cars with a supercharger, or new cars with a turbo and say "tAkE oFf tHe TuRbo An..." just stfu already lol. The H2R comes with a supercharger stock. Get over it. You can compare it to any of the other liter bikes as much as you want
Stock H2 accelerated slower than most litre bikes because it doesn’t have a 1:1 power to weigh ratio(231PS, 238kg) and it doesn’t have a belly pan so that translates to worse aerodynamics. But the H2 can be modified to 300-400hp easily
How about the panigale V4S not the V4R. That’s the direct substitute to the Streetfighter really.
well yes actually..
Fair point but we had both bikes (the V4R was there to do something else which is coming soon!) plus a two-man camera team, Tommy and I so we thought, 'why not?'. There seems to be an desire for this type of content, so what should we drag race next? Cheers, Michael
Bennetts Bike Fair enough was just being picky but it was good content nevertheless that 1000cc in the V4R is very potent against the 1100cc in the V4S. Next would be to drag race the naked middleweights with 1-4 cylinder configs like the z900, street triple 765, mt09, cb650r, monster 821, bmw f900, duke 790, husqvarna vitpilen, etc.
Where was this recorded please 😁
video edit is really good
Nice to see what 1/4 mile time one of these latest generation superbikes will do with a decent pilot. Seen other channels where supercars will beat 1000cc bikes but never seen any car (standard) do a 10s dead. Good work Tommy.
In 2008 the B-King ran a 9.86 in Sport Rider test
We may have guessed a close race, with an edge for the V4R, but still quite interesting to see the match up play out.
I wonder if the Streetfighter's torque limiting in 1st through 4th gears explain (some of) the launch advantage of the V4R (which I'm guessing doesn't have any of that).
Sf is limited to 13,000 in 1st gear. It’s very limited down low.
The R is torque limited in its lower gears as well.
BTrain5489 interesting i hadnt heard that.
@@robertwotring7318 I believe all of the Panigales are. The V4SL is the first Panigale I'm aware of with a mode that supposedly disables the limiting and gives you 1:1 throttle.
I would have thought that the higher torque and shorter gears of the Street fighter it would have pulled out in front for at least a second or so before the Pani got its legs and left it. Surprising
Yes please!
Fair play to Michael for getting off the line pretty well on the V4R but Tommy launched that thing. That’s seriously quick.
Thanks Mat - we didn't even have that much practice. In fact, the launch control function will only allow for three launches before it needs time to cool down and re-set. Cheers, Michael
What hjc helmet is that?
Not rpha 11 for sure
just an update guys, my 2021 S.F. with Akrapovic full system, MAP and low restriction air filter, 207 @ the rear wheel on the Dino. Best 1/4 mile time 9.54 155 mph, WITHOUT launch control. 93 octane non ethanol fuel DOES make a difference. I do better times without launch control. 2024 Panigale R on order. 2023 sold out in 2 weeks. Hopefully delivery November-December 2023..
V4R is a rocket strapped on wheels
woow. why i dont find yiur channel earlier
You need a tuned H2 in the lineup.. now wonder who has one of those.
You tell em chops.
To be fair Chopsie, only the suns gravitational pull will stand up to fair test against that thing 😉
Hey man, we’re here to watch 1/4 mile race. Not 1/4 murder
That sounds... er, fair! That V4R is rapid though. How much does the H2 weigh? Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial Yeah H2 is heavy, 230 kg ish stock or something. I suspect mine is about 215 ish as full Ti system and lithium battery plus some all important ti bolts hehe
Why in the world is there not a video on RUclips or the entire internet weather drag-race v4s vs v4r?
Both bikes need the intended race exhaust
That Panigale V4r is a brutal piece of kit but me being more of terror on the streets of Melbourne I'll be sticking with my SFV4s. Just so much more usable everyday which is what most riders what I think.
The question is why ducati create naked bike n why the speed is not same eventho the same cc?
Carwow squad 🤘
interesting race i find
Nice day at the office! ✊🏻
I've had worse! Cheers, Michael
I would love to see how the Panigale V4S would do against the V4R
It would crush the V4R, peak horsepower is not everything. Even Ducati themselves said that the Panigale V4 SP2 is their highest performing Panigale ever
@@sushi_edits225 the V4S has a better low end torque but i would like to see how much of a gap it is
@@andresantel2137 on the track no doubt the V4 wins over the V4R. In 1/4 mile times, the V4 again wins. In a 1 mile race I’m not very sure as the V4 R has only a 6hp advantage(234hp vs 228hp)
@@sushi_edits225 ive seen the rolling race between the two and the V4R won since it revs higher
@@andresantel2137 it may have won by a small margin, btw can you please send me the link of the video?
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V4R has more power and it's lighter at 193 kg.
You must try someday do a drag race with Ducati V4R vs Honda Cbr 1000 RR-R vs Bmw S1000RR 2020 vs Ninja H2....and we will see what is the Queen...
What about sticking the akra race system on the streetfighter and bring the bhp up so thay are closer, or test it against the V4s then you got a more direct comparison in bikes.
Thats where Aerodynamics come into play.
What was the times and terminal speed at the 1/4 mile for both bikes?
154 mph or about 245 km/h look at speedo
Much longer gearing for the V4R. 1 up front, 1 down rear compared to the SF.
Wouldn’t the Panigale V4S be a better comparison? Not sure why the V4R was chosen?
Thanks for the input Jeff. Tbh, we had the V4R at the airfield for another purpose but happened to have the Streetfighter a two-man film crew, Tommy and I too, so we thought 'why not drag them both?' Cheers, Michael
⚡️⚡️⚡️Great!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻!!!...And.... We needs more drag comparsions!!!! 🙏🏻... ( like Carwow! ...great guys! Matt Watson ✊🏻.. ;). ... Because no one do that! ( Stock bikes drag comparsions and times 0-100,0-200,0-300...) ... And you will be one and only who do that...
Nice idea but which bikes would you like to see next? Those guys at CarWow are ace. Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial and we never saw you again on carwow after this 😬
It's a question of maturity. Once you're a secure man, past the teenage phase trying to impress girls in the Walmart parking lot, you recognize that comfort, style and torque triumph over riding a plastic toy that boosts your shaky confidence.
... Lets take a look s1000rr vs firedlade vs v4 ? 🤔:)
Miran Kajtna and especially in looks as well ha ,V4 looks 100X more sexy than the fire blade. The S1000rr’s front end looks nice too
Lol no. Ducati looks generic and new BMW looks cheap. On the contrary the new CBR 1000RR-R looks like a motogp bike, drop dead gorgeous.
Pramathew Yayawar everything you just stated is literally the opposite of what you said. The Ducati is the most GP looking bike by far. Especially with the GO wings.
Disappointed with the camera setup during drag ☹️
Panigale V4R
Engine same with SuperLeggera limit (17000 rpm) ,more Power, more Aerodynamics
StreetFighter V4S
limit (15000 rpm)
V4 SP (with carbon rims,dry clutch)
Beautiful beasts and not really made for 1/4 mile runs but 10.4? I would have expected better, is that expecting too much?? Just wondering guys.
Amazing panigale
Be honest you all already knew who would win
But still watch because it's a ducati
Love this! Rematch?
Same bikes and riders, or do you have something else in mind?
@@bennettsbikesocial Anything with Tommy Bridewell would be great! He seems to love his bikes
@@bennettsbikesocial Tommy manually launching the SFV4. Looked like you guys used DPL on the first pass and manually launched on the second one.
Akro and ECU flash please!
Bennetts Bike yes yes yes!! Maybe a drag race with all the new super sports?
Well I suppose the next test will be on the track and once again we will all be surprised that the naked Streetfighter can’t keep up 😝
Fairings, tyres, remap, and exhaust.
Sounds expensive!
Goes to show how a rider makes a huge difference as well.
You're right, the reaction times make a huge difference over such a short stretch.
Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial not sure if you do a lot of 1/4 mile tests or not but maybe invest in a Dragy and you can get vet accurate times with mph and more. Helped me get practice my launches for 0-60 and 1/8 mile times seeing the improvements with different techniques.
Why not try a rolling race ? High gear (torque pull) vs 2'nd from 50km/h or 30mp/h. Would be some nice extra content 👍🏻
Great shout. Tough to do on a bike but we'll definitely add it into the mix next time. Tbh, we were tight for time on this one (you'll see the clock on the dash showing 8.30-ish!) Cheers, Michael
The R is so bloody ridiculously expensive. It's crazy the prices they are asking for bikes these days. Who in the right mind would use it on a track, I mean £35,000 😳😳
thats what it costs to build a machine with expencive materials .its the law of demishing returns . i have the v4s and thats 90% of the bike for 60% of the money . they are 32k vs 48 k here so concider yourself lucky in the uk or america
I know a few people who bought the Pani V4R, stripped quite a bit of the parts, added upgraded racing bits and parts... pretty much doubling the total cost of the bike... then take it to the track. Many, however, find it too difficult to ride and go back to BMW or Honda... (I'm not talking trackday riders, but international level racers)
What’s Michaels lid, is it standard anyone know?
HI, it's an AGV Pista GP-R with a custom paint job by LDC (Liam Crawford Designs) based on the Mike Hailwood style - same as the Dainese Custom Works leathers. Cheers, Michael
Bennetts Bike thanks, love it, may have to copy it sorry!
@@coops6621 Ha! Let me know what you end up with.
Cheers, Michael
The v4s looks insane, BUT u don’t need over 200hp on a street fighter. It’s pure suicide. I would rather have a super duke tbh instead
The music is way over the top
Does extra torque even matter in racing? Come to think of it, wouldnt it be more advantageous in racing to have more hp instead of more torque?
Extra torque results in extra power; just fictional numbers... but if you have 100Nm at 10000rpm and you increase it to 120Nm at 10000rpm, the power output at 10000rpm also goes up
@@joeridestrijcker445 thanks !
What about in a more extreme cases, for example vehicle A has 30nm torque, and 50hp max output, and vehicle B has 40nm torque, and 40hp max output. Which one will most likely to win?
@@iodineclip peak numbers don't tell the entire story... you need to know at which rpm the peaks are reached, but also how 'wide' the powerband is and how the gearing is set; then it also depends on what you'll use it for... purely drag racing or also lapping a track? Drag racers are often purpose-built and are a one-trick pony... in your question you said 'racing', so that could also mean doing laps on a track... a long/fast track or a short/technical track? If you can ride the vehicle almost non-stop at the very top end of the rev-range, then (ceteris paribus) I'd expect the vehicle with the highest peak power to win.
Hey please keep drag between v4r vs h2r it may be crazy.
Ha! That would be interesting. Trouble is one has 217bhp and the other is more like 306bhp. In a drag race there'd be no competition if the riders could get them off the line and towards the top of the rev range to use that power.
@@bennettsbikesocial but it may be fun to watch a 2 cylinder powerful bike vs a 4 cylinder powerful bike
@@sakthivelsanjay8299 neither of those have two cylinders. It's a V4 vs an inline 4
I think aerodynamics is the key here.
Astonishing this isn’t mentioned anywhere in their breakdown of the results.
Streetfighter launch was shocking, a fist full of revs then nothing on the launch...A good rider would be 1.70s sixty foot times at standard wheelbase and ride height, but clearly the rider was up around 2.10s on the launch...
I think streetfighter , with its torque advantage will have better in gear roll on acceleration than v4 .
“Race Evo” or go home!!!
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0.5 s on paper feels like nothing but in real life its 3 cars length
What everyone wanna see is v4r vs v4s panigale
The Panigale R just launches much better (probably better launch control and electronics)! A roll-on from 70km/h on first gear could give different results!
No it'd still seriously gap it, aero a huge factor
Past 200km, for sure you would gap it, due to the arrow on the Panigale, but it could have stayed close until 180-200km possibly!
Riders should have switched to give the professional a handicap.
We did swap bikes - I was on the V4R first then swapped to the Streetfighter. Anyway, there was nothing at stake except making a short video for entertainment and to demonstrate how quick the V4R really is. Like I said in the video, I though the Streetfighter would have a better chance over the initial 50-100 yards but I was so wrong!
Cheers, Michael
Full fairing has more advantage
I've never seen professional riders start so poorly, letting motorcycles start at low engine speeds. Either of these two make times in the low 9 seconds.
im still keeping my streetfighter. Cant compare comfort of riding position and cornering ability. Not to mention i can ride for hours and need a fn wheelchair after.
Not sure why you would race a streetfighter against a V4R? Surely you would have been better with the Panigale V4s?
I will choose that V4R over any bike on this planet.
What about ducati superleggera v4
Why race against the R instead of the S 🤷🏻♂️
For a bike that is twice the price, if it didn't wine there would be a big problem....
Ducati Streetfighter V4S vs Panigale V4 Speciale but the V4R has more power and much higher top speed than those two.
Can’t help thinking you have missed a trick here. Some timing gear and distance measuring kit on the bikes would have been good, plus a few stats of 0-60 0-100 time for 1/4 or 1/2 mile would give a better comparison.
They should have switched bikes to see if the rider is a factor
Ducati Streetfighter V4S vs Panigale V4 Speciale but the Panigale V4R has more power and much higher top speed than those two.
Exchange rider to see the real score. Sometimes its with the rider
Ducati panigale V4R Top.
Panigale say🤔 Sorry sister you Lost!
How come the fully faired bike weighs 6kg less than the naked bike 🤔🤔🤔🤔😁😁😁
Thats the R model, a better comparison would have been using the S model of each bike.
@@Brockstar10000 I still don't get how a 'fully faired ' bike weighs 6kg less than a naked bike ...??? you didn't really answer my question ...isnt the naked v4 supposed to be the same bike but without the fairing..???
@@dmandhelen Cast vs forged wheels likely responsible for around 2-3kg of that, plus 1100 vs 1000cc so likely heavier block rather than just bored out I'd guess. The fairing is pretty minimal on panigale and the extra weight from that's likely less than a kilo. From experience the supercorsa SPs are light tyres as well so maybe a bit there over the rossa corsas on the streetfigher.
Also might sound silly, but the rear mirrors are probably 1kg on the streetfighter, plus rear seat and stronger rear subframe in case some idiot wants to perch on that rear padded coaster.
Tom Gravgaard thank you for your reply ... aren’t the two engines the same ..cc ... ?? Aren’t the two engines exactly the same ..??? I thought they were ..??? Aren’t Ducati selling this as a “ un faired v4...???👍👍👍😁😁😁
Panigale not a toy.
i think bcoz v4r is R race and the v4s S slow... just saying hahaaha! joke peace!😅
now switch riders .
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Bad camera view
why don't you remove those ridiculously massive yellow billboards you keep on your british bikes for driving on the road.. easily make an extra 5mph without that wind resistance.
1:47 thank me later.
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V4S - 299 km/h , 186 mph
V4R - 328 km/h , 203.8 mph
( 340 km/h , 211 mph with 334 HP varient + Akrapovic-Ducati Exhaust System )
He says they’re both 1000cc ... but aren’t they both 1100’s ... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
If I'm not mistaken, no... the Pani R is 1000cc and all the others (Pani and SF) are 1100
Joeri De Strijcker yes you’re right .. I think it’s for homologation reasons..???:-))..
@@dmandhelen indeed! similarly Aprilia kept their RSV4 RR at 1000cc and bumped the Factory to 1100... so they still have the homologation for superbike racing basis
Then along comes a BMWs1000rr and blows then in to the weeds
Really? I didn't notice that in BSB this year but we'll give the M1000RR a shot at the Ducati in the new year.
@@bennettsbikesocial Really I wasn't talking BSB I was talking a drag race like this video.....
@@craigthompson1794 I’ll see what I can do 😉
@@bennettsbikesocial good man
One is naked the other a fairing!? It's not rocket science????
It's pretty amazing that now that tyre tech has caught up we can really see how terrible bike geometry is and how bad bikes really are at getting off the line. 0-60 in over 3 s? ... really sad.
ruclips.net/video/RuGiYoQvF2E/видео.html panigale v4 standar 10,2 265 km/h 0-100 km/h 2,9 seg
Wow it’s slow!!!!!
Slow?
I appreciate the video guys but you had 1.5 mile of runway but use 400m of it? No terminal speed for each quarter mile?
How about a roll-on test to take the skill out of it also while you are there and have a runway to use?
Wasted opportunity as always with the bike press.
With a Dragy box for 150 quid or even the new but (cheaper than old Vbox) there is absolutely no excuse.
I'm sure you have a VBox or similar so why not use it properly?
If you have a runway you should use it all and measure 0-400m 0-1000m half mile and standing mile with terminal speeds for all of them as well as top speed.
And then also 0 to flat out in 10mph increments.
It's really not hard.
Just the other day on a 15 R1 I found a dead straight public road and measured 0-170mph in 10mph increments as well as QM, standing KM and half mile. I only ran out of road so couldn't get a 0-180mph time or standing mile but I'll go look for a longer piece of road.
I do not have access to runway to test bikes due to my isolated location so I speed test bikes on the public road and publish results online.
Seriously up your game as you'll become irrelevant like much of the online press, not just motorcycle.
if I can borrow a mates bike or take one from a dealer or use my own and accurately speed test it without a runway why do we need the likes of you (Bennett's Bikes) to do a mediocre job at speed testing?
I'll come do it for you.
If we had the entire day then yes we'd have covered all that but this was a thirty minute job at the end of an already productive day (see CarWow's channel and see what happened when the V4R went up against some fast cars)... but thanks for the offer and your courteous insight.
Hey thanks for the reply it is much appreciated.
A V4R with a light competent rider will do a standing mile approximately 24 seconds. Your man just had to feed it a few more gears and for another 14 seconds to cover the mile. 30 mins is more than enough :-) lol
Then all of your data will be on the VBox or similar which you can access via the provided Windows VBox application software.
There you'll have all of your data for all of the metrics I mentioned in my first message.
You can then export and publish on YT or to your website.
I've seen the car wow vid. It was ok but again no real data and the 'Pro' rider from the roll launched in the wrong gear up against big power cars. 😂