FULL VERSION 1991 - Graf vs Seles - Hamburg
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"One of my all-time favourites... enjoy!"
For a fleeting moment in history, the Seles/Graf match-up was the hottest ticket in town, and in 1991 it was heading for greatness.
Steffi Graf challenged WTA's new superstar: Monica Seles in the final of the $350,000 Citizen Cup, which was completed over two days due to heavy rain.
Monica Seles of Yugoslavia replaced Steffi Graf of Germany as the world No. 1 on 11th March 1991, after Graf had held onto the top spot since 1987.
Graf sealed her Hamburgian triumph on her third match point after a total of two hours and 21 minutes, a majestic marathon of epic proportions. She earned $70,000 and her 56th career singles title (5th straight Citizen Cup in Hamburg).
'I am very pleased that I came to Hamburg,' said Graf, 20, who decided to enter the Citizen Cup four days before it started and received a wild-card entry.
'It was a great match,' Seles said, promising: 'I'm definitely going to come back next year.'
These words would haunt the talented young Seles just two years later...
Graf took the first set 7-5 with a break in the 12th game. She jumped to a 5-2 lead in the second set by breaking Seles in the fifth and seventh games.
But the 17-year-old Seles fought back, breaking Graf's serve twice and staving off two match points in the 10th game. Seles finally forced the dramatic second set into a tiebreaker, which she won 7-4.
'I was too hectic on the first two match points, and she just played too good,' Graf said.
Nobody could believe what the Citizen Cup in Hamburg had lurking in the depths of sporting tragedy just two years later... 
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This is a brilliant/epic match, thankyou for sharing!!
Always a treat every masterpiece you share and the quality of it. Thank you forever.
Thank you for uploading the winning moments of my favourite sporting player. Almost thirty years later, I recall my childhood days, when I watched Steffi in Grand Slams.
Thank you so much. Love from India.
As great a clay court player as Monica was, on painfully slow clay like this (especially if it was damp) she could be vulnerable. She not only lost this match, but also lost two Italian open finals to Sabatini on similarly slow clay. The slowness took a lot of the sting off her shots and allowed others to manoeuvre her about more. The low bounce also exposed the weakness Monica had with the low ball on her forehand side.
Agreed re French open 1999 as well xbut on the fast grass of Wimbledon Seles had no chance
Cero Wimbledon. The most fast court.
55:39 Wow...that topspin backhand 😍😍😍🤩
32 tournaments won including 8 grand slams titres at 19 years old between 1989-1993 ( 4 years ) . very great monica seles...
Steffi 1987-1996 22 Grand Slams 377 weeks nb.1 1988 Golden Slam Steffi was great everywhere. Seles was not good in Wimbledon (1989) and 1992 she was nb 1 and Steffi ? 6:2 6:1 .Seles was a great Player but sorry Steffi was Better
@Mark Decena that's so true why are There People Who thinging that's Monica was Better than Steffi Graf ? SORRY. THE Idiot in Hamburg was not Steffis foult.She changing her Game 1992-1994 and Monica was only one day in the Hospital. She want come back 1993/1994. Physical she was fit. But she was waiting and waiting....to long 1995 US open Good Game but Steffi win 1996 Same thing. Only without Steffi (Australien Open she has won) 1999 French open Semis...In the important points Steffi is and was Better. You cant say Who was Better. Everytime the Answer is was and Would be Fräulein Vorhand Steffi Graf. Pleace no miss understanding I like Monica. She was good and fresh but realy that grunting is and was unfair and for the audience not Easy. I hope one day Rules can change this. She Served second Serve with 115km/h but she Scream like 200km/h.
Grunting is in the 2020s normal ....I thing it is not normal and irritadet the other Players. I hope for Warnings and more
@Mark Decena my Answer was only....It was not Steffis foult. Monica had problems to go out on the Court 1993 1994 but she was physical in a good Form. I understand this. But sorry Steffi had no knife 1993 in Hamburg. It was Günther Parche not Steffi
@@Taubilein1983 You realise it's mental as well not just physical and people are just saying that Steffi wouldn't have won 22 slams if she hadn't have gotten stabbed.
Thanks for this!
If Steffi could have served even harder and used her flat backhand down the line more often, very few players would have beaten her.
Very few players have actually beaten her.
LMFAO!!! 🤣🤣🤣
well she won the golden slam...all 4 and olympics in 1 year. lol
Two amazing but very different players and Steffi's backhand only improved over the years! Thank you so much for posting
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I was dumb lost the password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me!
@Damon Dillon instablaster :)
thank you!
Nunca habrá jugadoras tan profesionales como Graf y Seles
That handshake at the end! Monica seemed furious.
A lot of points stolen and given to Steffi, the hawk eye would have given a different result
@@violablomsterbed9755 Hawkeye would have given Steffi the 1989/1992 French Opens as well.
@@markdecena4559 stop it lier seles was clear winner in1991-93
@@gokulvrindavan1858 are you ok? What are you talking about? Read!!!!!!!!!!
@@markdecena4559 Hawk eye would have given USO 1995 to Seles and FO 1999 to Hingis though 😉
Only time I saw Monica wear an extra layer to keep herself warm. Indicative of how cold, damp and slow the conditions were.
Yes, about 8 or 9 degrees of Celsius that day in Hamburg 1991.
seles was a highballer like nadal
Steffi is in RARE FORM this match. Especially at that backhand winner @ 55:40
Great match, always love to watch these 2 play. I notice in 1991 fans are smoking in the stands 🚬 , going to their seats as players are about to start play, and most strikingly is how close people are sitting behind the players 🤔
Seles played much more defensive than i remember not nearly as powerful as Graf or Sabatini , i think people were just amazed at the consistency of her and the weird screaming . She was certainly a great player as she proved on her comeback won tons of titles after it. Though she seems to just spin the ball into court here.
That dropshot at 1:32:40!
Interesting to see Monica hitting some good volleys here. She was really hard to pass - Martina Navratilova said Monica had "the longest arm in tennis"
When Steffi was at her best, she was the best !
But Steffi here wasn’t at her best. She was in a slump and was recovering from her father’s scandal. What’s so great here is that a slumping Steffi could beat Seles who was at the peak of her powers on her supposedly best surface. 😂
@@markdecena4559 slump of getting her ass kicked by seles
@@nunomartins4265 in 91? Wrong. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha you’re delusional. 6-1, 6-2 and 6-2, 6-1 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Your as probably needs a kicking to get you back to reality. Anyway 10-5 so you and Seles’ sorry ass can wish again.
I think it's better to say that when Steffi was at her best, she was one helluva Beast to play against! 😉
And this was supposed to be seles dominant years!! So much for the hullabaloo of crazy seles fans
Imbécile !
Il n'y a tellement pas eu de domination de Seles sur Graf qu'un fan de cette dernière se croira obligé de poignarder Seles deux ans plus tard sur ce même terrain pour qu'elle gagne à nouveau !
RG 1990 Monica Seles
RG 1991 Monica Seles
RG 1992 Monica Seles
This stadium is the scene of the crime. Vivid images of Monica chewing on gum with one hand reached over her shoulder after the stabbing.
Thank you for posting!
Same guy sitting behind her as in 1993, he grabbed the moron.
Looks like he`s securtiy.
And what`s his (bleu jacket) problem at 2:24:08? :O
Yikes. The conditions looked remarkably heavy. Steffi played incredibly well here, while Monica seemed consistently to be hitting late. Still, what an entertaining match!
Thanks for the upload!
Interesting match from both of them in many ways. Steffi looked really anxious at times and seriously choked while ahead, while Monica seemed to be struggling to get out of her B game. Monica seemed to have a pattern of having some loose matches at the sub grand slam level when in her prime. She played a similar match against Sabatini in Rome in 91, and had some listless straight set losses in 92 as well.
@@th8257 Agreed. It was a rare to see Steffi visibly rattled. I think it's fair to say that in the early 90s Monica worked her way into Steffi's head. Steffi could play her absolute best against Monica and still lose.
Still, Monica had her fair share of bad days on the court. Her concentration would drift, she could seem sluggish and yeah, even listless. Steffi, on the other hand, basically never had an off day. I don't think I've seen any champion, man or woman, who so consistently played at such a high level, day after day after day, throughout their entire career.
It's still such a damn shame we got robbed of their rivalry. Their best matches against each hit Federer/Nadal quality.
@@Skirne I think steffi's head was allover the place in the early nineties. With hindsight, she was probably very burnt out from her dominant run in the late eighties - apparently after his dominant years, Roger Federer used to wake up in the middle of the night in a state of anxiety and have to be calmed down by his wife. It's like the super champions develop a kind of post traumatic stress disorder after their dominant years. In 91 in particular, at times Steffi looked like she was in a state of panic sometimes on the court, or that she didn't really want to be there. She lost a lot of matches to Sabatini that are very similar to this one in many ways. when she got a lead Steffi then seemed paralysed with nerves. Steffi also lost her only matches to Novotna during that period - their match at the Virginia slims final in 1991 is bizarre. It was like Steffi wasn't there mentally at all in the third set. Virginia Wade said something perceptive about steffi in 1991: "I have seen it happen so often to Steffi since she fell off the pinnacle she was at a couple of years ago. She will come out and play a perfect set, then suddenly out of nowhere will get edgy and brittle. And it's not like her concentration goes. It's something that happens to her confidence."
@@th8257 Excellent points!
Is this Al Corley from Dynasty in the Graf Family Box at 1:40?
GRAF ! SELES ! ZNAKOMITE ZAWODNICZKI ! 🎈🎾🎈🎾🎈🇵🇱
I was there and love Steffi Graf 🥰💐💗
Graf was Bad person
German crowd is very classy and polite
Tennis was an upper class sport then.
American crowds are the worst, esp at the U.S. Open in NYC.
You are wrong. Seles was stabbed at Hamburg on 1993.
Steffi Graf ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Look at the way Graf runs around to her forehand at 2:22:05 🙃
There used to be a boogie tennis version of this match on here where the commentator was quite animated. Lol wonder where it went?
Yes, boogie tennis wS all the rage back in the day! 😉
I have to watch this with the audio turned off. I can't stand Monica's grunting
Seles was moonballing a lot in this match...usually a sign she was tired. Steffi could have learned to take the ball on the rise on these shots, but she waited for the ball to bounce too long, thus allowing Seles to get back into position.
The grunting is awful. 😣😣
Graf beating a number one Seles. Graf and Seles only met twice that year, with Graf winning both tournaments. Awesome Steffi Graf. 😀👌
I also observed this thing ,--- Graf defeated Seles - twice that same year . Graf is a legacy not only for tennis, but for the entire sporting world. Thank you Steffi Graf.
N they say seles dominated steffi ... welcome back to reality seles fans
Seles dominated Tennis in 91 and 92. 6 out of 8 grand slams. Suck on that fact.
Brian McInerney yet in 91 & 92, their head to head is 3-1 for steffi the goat
Khwairakpam Napoleon i mean i said in 91 & 92, head to head was 3-1 for steffi period. In 91, they met on 2 NON GS finals, steffi won both. In 92 they ONLY met in GS finals, monica took the french while steffi killed monica in Wimbledon. Which part is hard to get? 🤷🏼♂️
They were pounding the ball in warmups
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Can you show the date of the match in your write-up, please?
5th May 1991
Thank you! Enjoy...
This match looked like it was played in December.
Look what the crowd is wearing.
Gunther Parche was in the stands already lurking around.
Probably tonight his ghost is lurking under your bed. You better check it ;-)
RIP Parche
& they say steffi did bad handshakes when she lost .... hmmm
& they say monica dominated steffi before that papercut incident in 93...
& they say monica was superior on clay ....
HARDLY!!!
oui monica était supérieure sur terre battue et elle a dominé le tennis mondial féminin de 1991 à son agression , c est un fait et il suffit de regarder le classement mondial de cette époque pour le voir , point barre ...
Getting assaulted with a knife is far different than a "paper cut." Sick of people ignoring the psychological aspects of an act of terror.
@Max E Acts of terror have more impact than physical trauma. Psychology is complex not to be distilled down to the depth of a physical wound. Frankly, your comment says more about your low opinion of others (i.e., that they're only out to make money) than anything else.
@Max E was it for real that mary carillo said that??
@Max E my god. How does that comment not haunt her??? She should be canceled
Steffis forehand changed a lot over time wow
The handshake at the net is interesting - the kind of subtle psychological gamesmanship that was so common in the women's game back then. Monica storming to the net looking like she was going to start a fight. You can see Steffi noticeably back off. Tennis is such a psychological sport and it's a battle to maintain psychological dominance. Martina Navratilova was known for it in the 80s in different ways. It's maybe one of the reasons why some of her and Monica's matches in the early 90s had a bit of underlying tension to them. Both of them trying to get psychological dominance, both of them knowing what the other was up to, and both of them refusing to be intimidated by the other.
Storming to the net? That's a bit dramatic 😂
@@tobiasisback4605Your English isn't very good 😂. "To storm: to move angrily or forcefully in a specified direction". Which is exactly what she did.
@@th8257 I think most people know what to 'storm' as a verb means without having to refer to a dictionary. It's just not what happened here. Others can decide but 2:23:57 shows Seles jogging to the net where Graf was already waiting with her arm raised in victory. Less of your queeny amateur dramatics please. 😂
What baffles me about steffi Graf is why doesn't she come to Wimbledon the scene of many of her grand slam wins
Steffi is the greatest!!! No one can argue with that!!
Not between 1990 -1992
the greatest sour loser of all times, very rude and impolite to many judges on court
@@raulpontello8519hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha get your eyes and brain checked.
Was this match before or after Monica Seles was stabbed in the back by one of Steffi’s fans?
Before. It was 1991.
Even before the stabbing Seles usually lost to Steffi.
Losing to the German Graf supported by all the stadium in Hamburg... What would happen two years later to Mónica in the same place would be monstruous😢
Graff is the legend
2:18:20 No camera then. Ancient days.
Parche may have been greatly annoyed by the horrible grunting😮😮😮😮
In 1992, Monica started hitting harder and changing the direction of the ball from left to right, running fast, hitting the back of the court. No one could compete with her. Hitting with two hands helped make the ball stronger and faster. When she hit left-handed and one-handed, she won in doubles. She was able to fight. Unfortunately, if there had not been an accident first, she would have won the Grand Slam many more times.
No, Steffi of 1993-96 and Hingis of 1997-99 would have been too much for Seles anyway.
Monica got so many bad calls.
Please
😂
Two years before Seles was stabbed by Steffi's fan
This match is proof that the stabbing was not necessary.
When Seles was #1 Steffi usually beat her (5-2 win/loss against the grunter!).
Very friendly handshake, lol
I also notice that they both hit winners during the warmup, which isn't very sportsmanlike
@Mark Decena How stupid you are!Close your ugly mouth! Shut up
@Mark Decena No brain man Seles put Graf jn place shd deserves thr second!
@Mark Decena looser!
@Mark Decena looser ok?
Monika ❤
14 min 48 seconds, the smoking cooks, lol
Dang, weird to see how the fans can literally reach over and touch the players during change over
That's what happened 2 years later in this tournament. Seles paid the price.
I think he must of run up to her .
I wonder how Security never found the knife that the man (who stabbed Seles) was carrying. Seems unreal that it was not detected beforehand - well before the time of the stabbing incident.
@@wannabe353 security check at entry probably didn't exist back then, just like airport security before 911
Gunther Parche
Monica not at her best that Spring, woth losses to Navratilova, Sabatini and Graf here, but Steffi looking so incredibly anxious at times here. If she'd been calmer, she could jave tsken advantage of Monica's indifferent form snd probably won in straight sets, but she looked so brittle at times. Very much an illustration of where Steffi was at through 1991. Really lacking in confidence at times.
Steffi really choked at several key parts in this match - she could have won it very easily if she'd been more composed. A good example of how lacking in confidence she was in the early 90s.
Her early 90's 'luck of confidence' miraculous ended after Monica was stabbed by Steffi's crazy fan in 1993.
Am i wrong? No.
@@makissklavenitis9881 I didn't say you were - she clearly regained it in 1993. That doesn't mean that she didn't have a real dip from 1990-93. The two aren't mutually exclusive. From 1990 onwards Steffi was clearly burnt out from her great year from 87 onwards. It happens to all great players who have a run like that - they often develop a kind of post traumatic stress disorder. Roger Federer apparently used to wake up at night in a state of panic and his wife would have to calm him down. Steffi also had a lot of personal problems with her father during that period. You need only look at a lot of her matches, particularly in 1991 for evidence of how it all affected her. She's anxious, confused or not quite there in some of them. The key thing to look at is actually steffi's rivalry with Gabriela Sabatini, as it was Gabi who had done most to wreck Steffi's confidence, including bearing Steffi 5 times in a row during this period. After 1992, steffi never lost to Gabi again, so there were signs that Steffi's confidence was slowly coming back in any event, but I'm sure that winning those slams in 1993 helped her mentally.
Sabatini played her best Tennis in 91, 92, that was a big factor why she beat Graf many times. Graf won only 1 GS in 94, too, by the way. So what you call burn out, was a period of half a decade. Rather a real form than a burn out. In fact, Graf great first year in 87 was due to a burnt out Navratilova, and this is written in stone, cause Navratilova didn't win a tournament in the first half of the year. Whereas Graf never lost many in any year, except for the the first few months in 91.
@@Volker7578 I agree totally about Navratilova and burn out in 1987. Martina said herself that with hindsight, she was severely burnt out from 1986 onwards and didn't actually realise until mid 1989 when it occurred to her that she'd been trying to play the fewest number of tournaments possible on her schedule. So, burnout can go on for a long time - it's not necessarily something that goes away quickly (over three years in Martina's case alone). John McEnroe, Bjorn Borg and Mats Wilander are three of the more extreme examples. Borg was out of the game by the age of 26 because he was so burnt out, and McEnroe and Wilander never recovered from their great years of 84 and 88 respectively - both of them went off the rails which is an indication of just how much it takes out of players both physically and mentally. Apparently Chris Evert considered retiring on many occasions and only avoided it by taking lengthy breaks away from the game in several different years. Steffi in 1994 appears to have overtrained over the winter at the end of 93 (something she seems to have done a lot over her career and which probably took years off it) and then played way too much in the spring of 94. I remember her saying after the Lipton tournament in 1994 that she was sick to death of tennis and was dying for time off. She paid the price later in the year with lacklustre performances at the French and Wimbledon. Her season was effectively finished by injury after the US Open, which she probably shouldn't have played (only playing the Virginia slims finals after that). Just two other quick anecdotes about how mentally draining tennis can be on the players: Mary Carillo mentioned once about how she interviewed Chris evert on court after a match at the US Open. Mary said that Chris had to ask her to pull the racquet out of her hand. Chris was so physically and mentally tense after the match that she couldn't physically loosen her grip on the racquet and put it down. Steffi Graf also said after she won the US Open in 88 and completed the grand slam, all her entourage wanted to go out and celebrate. She said she could barely move because she was so emotionally exhausted and had to stay in and sleep. She also said she was relieved not to have won the grand slam in 89 because the pressure would have been unbearable. So, I guess it's just really hard for people to understand the kind of pressure that the players go through. It can leave them emotionally and physically traumatised for years afterwards.
@@Volker7578 it's worth also noting that in several of the matches Steffi lost to Gabi during that run, Steffi was in some kind of leading or winning position in several of them, but fell apart mentally. As Virginia Wade said of Steffi in 1991 "I have seen this happen to Steffi so many times since she fell from the pinnacle she was at several years ago. She will come out, play the perfect set and not make an error. Then suddenly, out of nowhere, she will suddenly get edgy and brittle. And it's not like her concentration goes. It's just something that happens to her confidence."
Monica should have stayed out of Germany.
The greatest Seles, she shoudnt participated any Germany games.
She and andre aggasi repeatedly snub Wimbledon why is this
That was a fairly lame handshake at the net..😅 … best friends forever? 🤪 *sarcasm modus off*
2 years later the stabber was there...monica should've stayed away from germany...
It's a pity she didn't get out early in that tournement but of course that could never happen in those days
Monica Seles is not one only of the greatest women tennis players she is also a gracious lady and one of the finest sports women to grace the tennis court. Monica you are a true champion...
Monica Number 1
Even Monica as #1 was 2-5 win/loss against the great Steffi.
Monica holds many embarrassing negative #1 records (worst slam final loss, loss to youngest player, worst winning percentage since 1981 Evert).
@@carrerau7138 At the point of the stabbing Monica was clearly #1, and managed to reel off 8 majors in a few short years. There is a reason that criminal decided to stab her,. Certainly he was not happy about Seles' performance on the tour. Ultimately I think Graf would have overtaken Monica, but we were no where near that point when the stabbing happened. Totally unfair situation. How many more championships would any great champion have won if their major competitor been stabbed out of the game?
@@carrerau7138 You forgot to mention that Seles at 19 years old had won 3 majors in 1991 and 1992 and had already won AUS 93 at the point of the stabbing. The so-called 2-5 record indicates that they were not playing so much in the majors in those years, given Monica was close to sweeping them at the point of the stabbing. Monica was stabbed for a reason, her record in majors was clearly dominant at that point.
@@davidw5731 Seles was NOT clearly #1 at the point of the stabbing.
That is simply a lie.
Her advantage in the rankings was so narrow that Steffi would have been #1 again anyway with a FO 93 win.
@@davidw5731 You think a certified lunatic like Parche was reasonable?
When confronted in the trial by the judges with the fact that Steffi had won 3 of the last 5 matches against Seles he seemed puzzled and lost for words. His intellectual level was the one many Selestial nutters display even today.
A vile bunch that sent Steffi dozens of death threats after the Seles stabbing, BTW.
Graf dominated Seles before attack. Seles never dominated Graf in Seles's prime time. Graf dominated Seles after attack.
I love Seles, but Graf still the best... 👍
You just know that the crazy Graf fan who stabbed Seles was probably in attendance here and already calculating his attack two years later.
No idea why he waited so long.
@@carrerau7138exactly
@@carrerau7138 Germans have a historical tendency for inflicting violence on innocent people, he wanted to space things out a little. Can't have too much too soon.
@@speabody Americans and Russians are far better in inflicting violence on innocent people.
Their murder rates speak for themselves. Almost ten times as high as in Germany. And that has been so for many, many decades. Violent people there robbing, raping, maiming, killing.
Monika Monika Monika Super great
what if.......
Yes, you're right. What if ... Steffi Graf's father had NOT stood trial, had a sex affair and been blackmailed... from 1990 to 1992, and Steffi Graf had NOT suffered a total loss of form as a result? Yes, what if...
@@tobilinooo sure that's what I was thinking...
Yes, what if the nasty Graf Blackmail Scandal had never happened!
Sadly crime is a part of life...
@@tobilinooo None of Graf's family affairs can equate with Seles being stabbed on the court, specifically to take her out of the game. Every family has issues, but few players in any sport have been attacked just because they were winning. I can't recall anything like that in all of sports history. Certainly Seles would have won more majors, she was clearly #1 at that point.
@@carrerau7138 When else in sports has a player been stabbed on the court or field because they were winning too much? I cannot think of anything that compares in sports in my lifetime.
So sad that this rivalry was damaged by some sickening criminal. This should have played out naturally. Surely Seles would have won more majors and Graf less. At the point of the stabbing, Seles was securely in #1 position. This was one of the worst events in a sport that changed the history of the game.
Steffi would also have won Wimbledon 94 with Seles being in the draw.
And I don't think Steffi would have won less slams without the stabbing. Which slams would she not have won?
Seles was NOT securely #1 right before the stabbing. That's why Steffi could take over the top spot within just 5 weeks (would have been #1 again anyway with a FO win).
@@carrerau7138 Think about how many more majors Martina would have won had Chris been stabbed, or vice versa? Having her most significant competitor who was becoming great on the tour removed as an obstacle couldn't help but benefit Graf. Once again, whatever the rankings, Monica dominated the majors in 1991-1992, and was on her way again in '93 until she was stabbed. This would be similar to Tiger Woods being attacked at the height of his career and causing him to leave golf. Someone would have to benefit from that absence. Seles is the only athlete I can recall who was removed through a criminal act of terrorism. The damage to Seles was physical and psychological, and was permanent.
@@carrerau7138 One more comment here - don't misunderstand that I ultimately think that Graf was the better player, just as I did when this was actually happening in the early 1990's. But, I ultimately think that Martina was a better player than Chris at the end of the day, but they both did quite well on the tour. At the rate Monica was racking up majors, she was on course to become one of the all time greats as well, and she truly is one of them, even though her numbers are smaller.
@@davidw5731 What you don't understand (or rather don't WANT to understand) is that Steffi had only her 11st-best and 9th-best seasons in 1991 and 1992 (when Seles dominated the tour).
Steffi had a 1-7 win/loss streak from November 1990 to April 1992 against Sabatini, a player against she was 28-4 win/loss otherwise.
Same with Novotna - a 2-3 win/loss streak from January 1991 to February 1992. A player against whom Steffi was 27-1 win/loss otherwise.
Steffi missed only 7 (!) slam finals in the 1987-96 decade. But 5 of those misses were between mid-1990 and 1992.
It is extremely dishonest to deny that Steffi Graf was in a severe slump in exactly the period when Seles dominated and won so many slams.
@@davidw5731 Both Evert and Navratilova would have returned within a few months after such a minor stabbing.
But let's imagine Evert would have been stabbed in late 1984 when Martina stood at 11 slams and Chris would have left the tour for 2 years and 3 months until spring 1987.
Chris beat Martina only in two slam matches in 1985/86, the two FO finals in those years?
Would Martina really have won both finals against different opponents?
19 or 20 slams instead of 18?
And if Navratilova had been stabbed in late 1980 when Evert stood at 11 slams and Martina would have left the tour for 2 years and 3 months until spring 1983.
Martina beat Chris in three slam matches in that time frame - 81 USO semis, 81 AO final, 82 Wimbledon final.
Would Chris have beaten Tracy Austin in the 81 USO final (Navratilova lost), considering her 3-9 win/loss record against Tracy in 79-81? I don't think so.
So maybe 19 or 20 instead of 18?
But the main point is that the difference between Evert and Navratilova was minimal compared than the difference between Seles and Steffi. Evert and Navratilova battled each other when both were at their peak.
Steffi surely was far away from her peak when she battled Seles in the early 90s.
Looks the type of stadium where a fool who somehow got inside with a knife could just reach out and stab you. And not get any punishment.
Even Seles at best will never best the Williams sister
Brothers 🥳
@@elkefaber3103 Don‘t tell me Seles is a woman!
Thank God Monica didn’t win this match because Graf’s German psycho fan was probably in that stadium and could have stabbed her right there and then and she would have stopped with only 2 career slams.
Stupid comment!, hahaha sorry!
Without monica's two handed on bothsides, she got nothing, but i like watching matches, monica bring out the best in STEFFI,..so please dont mention the STABBING again, its LAUGHABLE nows a day!....
Charie Buenaobra the only laughable thing is that even without her main rival playing Steffi still didn’t end up with the slam record... now THAT is embarrassing. And what would Steffi be without her forehand? What a stupid statement.
@@whfan007 if Steffi doesnt a forehand?, Bud Collins Called her FRAULIN FOREHAND thats why!, Steffi Is to forehand and Monica is to GRUNT,.. anyway Monica's grunt is nothing compared to some of the player right now😍😍
@@whfan007 Seles was the best at buffets.
Comparing a crazy screamer who bashes the ball and nothing else, with the greatest player of all times it's just dumb.
Monica Seles would have become THE GREATEST female tennis player ever if she hadn't been stabbed by a German fan of Steffi. Monica Seles will live in tennis memory as a true phenomenon!
Here we go again. Are you Seles clowns bored with her 9 video reruns?
She did win more Grand Slams as a teenager in the open era than any other player (a record that still stands today). If it hadn't been for the attack in Hamburg, she possibly could have even added two more Grand Slams to that tally before her 20th birthday. Even some of the greatest players to have ever played the game, like Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova, have even publicly stated that if it hadn't been for the attack, they believe that Monica could have become the greatest of all time. Truly is one of the worst tragedies to have ever happened in sports.
@GoTeam yup that’s true. Martina has a history of being a flip-flopper. Of course they would go against Steffi; because she’s German.
@@markdecena4559 and GoTeam - You two's comments reek of a childish jealous/hatred; overtly protective Graf Fanatic. Love Graf much? Ya think?!!!! LOL. It's ok guys. Breathe. It's really not about what Martina and Chris think. It's about what she did faster than anyone else in the open era before the attack. Well enjoy yourselves. Cheers!
@@jamesr2164 what about yours? Shoving her mediocre achievements down our throats and expecting us to swallow it? What a moron. In this video Steffi won; hence if losers like you cannot accept that ‘overtly protective’ - as you branded me Steffi fans are here to diss idiotic dribble from Seles clowns THEN go the 9 that she won and replay them till kingdom come. There you clowns can eat your own shit and no one will disagree with you. Happy masking and take your vaccine.
I just cringe watching Monica toweling off during the changeovers. Eerie & foreboding seeing those Hamburg fans right behind her.
Gunther Parche
Seles the greatest
At buffets
In what?
Steffie never was a sportieve person
Mark Decena, just read
Mark Decena Google translate
Mark Decena je Engels is wonderbaarlijk goed geworden. Steffi was een geweldige speelster maar niet sportief. Ze heeft heel veel geluk gehad dat Seles door een maffe Duitser is haar rug gestoken werd, anders was alles heel anders gelopen.
Mark Decena you are a very sick and foolish person, thats why you are a Steffi fan
Mark Decena 😂😂😂😂😂