GROOVE METAL THEN VS. NOW
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- It's all about the groove! While other metal genres strive to push the envelope in speed or brutality, early groove metal pioneers differentiated themselves by emphasizing catchy, head-noddable grooves. Modern bands have added an evolving technical flair that make the grooves more complex at times - but hopefully without losing the essence that makes you want to headbang! Do you prefer the old or the new?
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I got an extra grey hair in my goatee when I saw Lamb of God in the ‘then’ section.
😂. Them and devildriver could have gone either way
LOG are still the kings
@@ThomasHogueGojira too
Agreed, I get the same feeling when I remember the first time I saw Lamb of god live is old enough to buy alcohol.
Saw LOG when i was 18 and again at 33 and seeing how much John’s hair has gone white (on bass) has made me go, damn am I getting old?
While both have nice riffs, the modern groove metal often loses the "groove" in favor of overly complicate guitar riffs and drums beats, which defeats the purpose sometimes of creating a groove. Most of that old school stuff was heavy and straight 4/4 time signatures you could bob your head to easily.
Exacly. Thats the point of groove metal. To be honest author could find better examples for modern groove that you are looking for like: Malevolence, Guilt trip, War of ages. These are more true modern groove.
Modern sounds entirely to muttled with the exception of a few bands
Can't we all just agree that groove metal has just stayed beautiful throughout its existence?
I don’t dig the new djent kiddy shit myself
@@simonize251 Then don't listen to it but don't knock it lol. Might introduce people to the stuff you like. At the end of the day mate its all metal and its better than pop so can't we all just get along??
@@TheBanana93I'm all for letting people enjoy things as long as they aren't shit
@@digitalmortality2001thankfully, not everyone is as obnoxious as you.
@@ripit.3457 i can only hope most people actually have good taste
I definitely feel like the earlier stuff is groovier, the later stuff is just rhythmically complicated, which is not the same thing. That said, the Gojira riff was probably groovier than the Exhorder one that followed it. Go figure.
You're right modern groove is more tech/prog stuff, I really love it
Idk man the Exhorder one felt way groovier to me
I don't even think it's apples to apples
I thought the same thing with groove vs rhythm.
exhordee one was way more groovy
I’ve learned about a bunch of new songs and bands from these then vs now videos I otherwise probably wouldn’t have checked them out or heard about. So thanks for being my music plug.
Awesome!
Same here. Instantly made note of the newer ones
Literally why I love youtubers like this, always a gateway to metal I haven't heard before
YES!!!!!!!
Thanks for throwing in Davidian!!!!!!🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Pissing Razors - Burning Bridges is a super groovy riff if no one's heard it before. I remember hearing it back in highschool and digging it.
pissing razors does not get talked about enough!!! "in spite of my scars" is a banger too
Fear Factory - Replica - what a groove
The new groove just don't have that catchiness that the old skool style has lol
New shit sounds all the same. Older stuff had more “color” to it
It was more "pop",but in a good way@@ramon2008
Great list, playing and vid :)
Malevolence also got some mad groove too btw
These videos are just a fantastic concept. Production, choice everything is top notch
Love to hear it! Thank you
Completely agree. Maybe you’ve already posted one but I’d love to see a behind the scenes or a “making of” video. It must be a ton of work coming up with the set list, programming the drums, laying down the guitars, mixing etc…. Etc I’m guessing that by the time you get to the video work, all the audio is largely complete so you’re maybe playing “air guitar” to your own recordings? The technique really doesn’t matter much because the end result is just plain awesome! Just be fun to see how you do it.
@@hosdrummer6735 Thanks! And yep, you pretty much nailed it haha. It does take a long time to produce the audio especially. I've toyed with the idea about filming more of the process but never actually done it. Maybe I finally will!
Huge +1.. would love to see a behind the scenes of this video. Thanks Thomas!
i love Jinjer and Bleed from Within but didn't realize they were being classified as groove metal. either way, good video 🤘
Welll, it doesn't sound groove and it's metalcore
@@maurobertolone5198 bro couldn't be more wrong, go listen to Ruina and Utopia by Bleed and you'll see why they're heavily influenced by groove metal. Their band literally started because of Pantera and LOG.
@@maurobertolone5198 Groovy metalcore?
They could both definitely be classed as groove metal imo. Basically zero hardcore influence and they have both stated groove metal bands as their influences
It’s heavily groove metal influenced metalcore. I wouldn’t outright call Bleed From Within or Jinjer groove metal though.
Awesome clip, Thomas 😎🤘🏻🎸 I like groove metal as well as other genres of metal like heavy, thrash, doom, and industrial just to name a few. Plus I’m a huge fan of pantera, exhorder, and fear factory.
Bleed from within is so good dude
Pissing Razors, Invocator, Hellgarden, Sign of the Southern Cross: a few lesser known Groove Metal bands 🤘🏻🍻
That Upon A Burning Body tho 👀 shit was actually groovin
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Exhorder❤
Somewhere we lost focus and stopped making riffs that were fun and memorable and just decided to see who could make the most complex riffs...its the "i can play faster than anyone else" thing all over again
Agreed. I have a hard time finding modern bands that don't do that and it's a shame. It makes all the songs sound exactly the same and there's nothing to really headbang to. Maybe you'll get 10 seconds of a catchy riff, but that's it. One band I'm glad I found though is Sanguisugabogg. They're technically Death Metal, but they have some really dirty, catchy riffs that get stuck in my head.
We should’ve learned that when malmsteen started making music, yea he’s complex and fast and it’s cool at first but then gets old fast and theirs nothing memorable or emotional about it, that’s why Dime is my ranked 1 guitarist, he knew the true essence of music and that all that technicality and complex theory is bs
@@ChickenJoe-tq6xd very true ...I will always pick groove over speed and complexity
Was like lamb of god in the then category??? Then realised that album is 20 years old, so now I feel old 😂
Don't know any other band from modern than Gojira but they are my favourite groove metal band (I know Jinjer but heard only their metalcore stuff). From old times I love that Machine Head is still going, their last album was cool.
Devil driver absolutely takes the cake for modern. All the classic stuff was great!
amazing as always.
Thank you!
amazing tones holy
Ginjer to Lamb of God transition is so fucking good
Glad to see new DD in the list im sure MS appreciates it
Exhorder. Enough said. The kings of groove metal.
Dude looks like a math teacher. Shreds like dimebag
Any one who has been to a machine head gig will know we don't groove, its fucking chaos.
Could have added Chimaira - Resurrection in the new stuff. That song has easily one of the best riffs ever made. Also Lost Society - No Absolution.
Summary: it was sick back then, and it's sick now
I love bleed from within
You can't mention new Groove metal and NOT mention Slackjaw!
They are fantastic! Like as if Gojira and Pantera had a love child with all that southern, groovy vibe to it
…gotta check that out. Groove is my favorite
@@tommiethrash bass player/vocalist is Soup. He's a pretty popular gaming youtuber from SC. I've met him a handful of times. Super cool dude
Saw them in Jonesboro and got on stage. Gonna see if they'll let us open next time they come around 😂
@thedudethatplaysguitar9882 hell yeah, dude! I live in NC, so I've seen them play like 4 times 😅
It always feels good when they remember me 😌
@thedudethatplaysguitar9882 Also, I'm interested in your channel. Could you upload some guitar content? 👀 I always love to see other guitarists work
Exhorder reminds me of Powertrip. Hell yeahhhh
“Then” all the way!
I love your videos so godamn much man
Seeing As the Palaces Burn in "Then" makes me feel old 😂
BAD ASS!
👏👏👏👏 well done 👍 good sir!
Bleed From Within are so underrated
bro is a young verion of tha onne "black metal vs" guy
Lamb of god are the.... GOATS
2 bands I currently listen to that sound groovy to me and sort have picked up the Pantera sound are Wake Up Frankie, where some of their licks sound exactly like Dime and Upon A Burning Body, where much of their newer material over the past 5-7 years have taken on a more Pantera vibe.
It has gotten more complex for sure. But honestly, it always depends on your mood what kind of music fits best for the moment.
Old Groove Metal: Slowed down thrash with Hair Metal and Progressive Metal influences.
New Groove Metal: A blend of Djent, Death Metal, Black Metal and Symphonic Metal.
now I have to re-listen to all machine head, sepultura and fear factory albums THANKS! (possibly also lamb of god and bleed from within)
Amazing songs 🤘
Blw is metalcore isnt it?
Lamb Of God in the then category🥲....God that made feel old😂
Love bleed from within
“Then” kills “Now”. Not even a contest.
Groove metal kick ass 🤘
Like em both i prefer the older tho just sounds meaner , funkier
Nice playing, mate!
Not really heard the term groove metal before. I suppose it's any metal that is considered 'groovy'? lol
Bleed from within may be groovy, I think they are more metalcore than groove metal. Good video as usual though.
I thought Bleed from within was pretty good...but Shrine album is a masterpiece
Groove Metal vs. Groove Metalcore
Others have tried, but nobody grooves like Pantera.
as a 30 year old boomer, i consider this post thrash vs metalcore
I find interesting the choices of moderns songs as they are most from bands and albums mixing styles. Like, Bleed From Within & Upon A Burning Body are metalcore, Jinjer & Gojira are prog. Could have been interesting also seeing a new song from Machine Head to compare it to their old
Cool video 😄
Dunno, new groove metal seems too technical to be groovy. And Gojira has groovier songs - Backbone for instance.
still my fav. Metal genre without Core in its Name
You mean Grove metal vs some other genre of metal entirely 👍
I always seen groove metal as a mixed genre. Like a light death metal, and a strong thrash metal. Am i right, or there is another thing that is tells you that is groove metal. Btw Gojira isn't death metal?
I tend to agree with you . I think Most types of metal can have groove to it …
Gojira has spanned the gamut from prog, death, tech, and groove. From Mars to Sirius is death metal, everything since Magma feels more groove to me.
Groove? Where the hell is Crowbar "To build a mountain" for instance or "Counting daze"? Or Kingdom of sorrow's "Demon Eyes"? It's not getting any groovier that that folks...
Apparently the 90's had a better groove.
great selection of bands but i'm disappointed meshuggah didn't come out :(
A bit disappointed that there were no Decapitated riffs!
Decapitated ist tecnical Deathmetal
@@SchwererGustavv They used to be. Nowadays they play a mix of groove metal and some technical stuff. Not really a tech death band anymore.
I see Jinjer, I click lol
Good you mentioned exhorder they don't get the credit they deserve since they are the first founders of this whole genre
Old school is better riffs. :P
But sound is better now.
Groove is groove and has only changed because of a capo to get back to a 6 string. The 7th string or 8th string if you want to go that far is fun and unnecessary but hell I'm sure it's fun. Ironic to create a guitar with more strings only to not really use them much. I'm old so what the hell do I know?
Groove..... what an incredible subjective concept.
Groove metal now is then metalcore?
For me, the past is so much better, but some of these are songs are iconic. The Now songs are mostly unheard of by anyone under 30.
Can’t get any groovier than Pantera
Then wins hands down for me.. im a big fan of some of the modern bands (BFW and Gojira particularly) but the old stuff just GROOVES.. some of the soul has been lost in modern stuff i think
Wow, the old school riffs DESTROY the new school riffs. Like it’s embarrassing. The new school riffs are tab salad with no groove, the Employed to Serve one was the only one that stood up at all.
Sorry kids, you got some groovin to learn.
Full disclosure I’m 41 years old. Pantera is the greatest band of all time 🤘
Great video as always!
But perhaps I would put the Jinjer more in the djent?
Jinjer has lots of groove metal sections in their music. They usually throw in a few bars of it somewhere along the way.
the Groove Metal standard is and always will be Pantera, further to that you cant have groove metal if youre doing constant 32nd note bass drums it doesnt work, its not a groove its a wall of sound, about 80 to like 140bpm is groove territory..
Not really sure we can classify any of those new songs as groove metal. They might have some groove elements but aren't really groove. You had technical death, progressive and djent coming through pretty hard.
Devildriver would probably be the closest but yea. I guess that could be the point of the video though, true groove metal doesn't really exist anymore.
Slugdge, bruh. Slugdge.
So groove metal now sounds like progressive thrash?
earlier stuff...by a mile
Bleed From Withing, Jinjer, UaBB, Employed To Serve is a metalcore. Gojira is a progressive metal. 😂Only DD is a groove metal.
cowboys, davidson, as the palace burns are the only ones that have any “groove”. people throw this groove metal label around and i see no justification
like how the fuck is mantra groove metal
Not really groove for modern, more like prog tbh
There's not much groove in the new stuff at all.
Lol I never realised that so many bands I love are actually Groove Metal 😅 guess I’m a groove metal fan
Finally someone who plays cowboys from hell in the correct register 🫡🤘🏽😎
Doesn't sound right. Doesn't have the same feel... Like the wish version
Showing my age in this one, but Pantera wrecked the following track with Cowboys.
To me it sounds like: Traditional Groove Metal vs. Progressive/Technical Groove Metal. I prefer classical stuff - heavy and catchy 🎸🤘
I really like more the old school Groove Metal, it had more bounce, riffs really make you wanna headbang
And most importantly its not agressive enough to make you want to break someones face
It almost has the nu metal bounce
@thesolersystemofgames841 what do you think nu metalers listened to?
That’s why Lamb of God is my all time favorite metal band. They consistently deliver pure American groove metal 🔥
Living Sacrifice yet
I feel like the modern groove bands are just way too concerned with writing "busy" riffs, rather than just writing a good one. The difference is apparent when you compare them.
Nice observation, dude.
I was contemplating noting this, too. Maybe I'm just old, but the constant noodling is starting to wear thin for me. Personally, I love a good, heavy, solid groove.
Tru
I am a big fan of Revocation. They have some good grooves, but sometimes I'm just like, man I need a break from all those notes
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Yeah!!! finally my subgenre! Long live Groove Metal and all Metal.
Amazing bands btw! I would love to have seen some other bands (Dagoba, Bury Your Dead, Throwdown, DamagePlan, Hellyeah - that 1rst album man!, Alien Weaponry, Byzantine, Hacride, Ektomorf, Lazarvs, Motograter).
Thanks great video
Psycroptic is a bit more on the tech death side, but is super groovy. For those who like this style, I'd give them a shot!
90s groove metal...was damn good
Maybe because I am old man, but love the older stuff. Great playing and vid mate😁
I’m 20 and prefer the old stuff and my favorite band is Pantera 😂
Not such a groove fan.... but some classics here with Dimebag and Machine Head and Fear Factory..
Super stuff Hogey 🎸👉
The old Groove Metal is better. The new stuff doesn't really have a groove.