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Counterpoints: Four Views on Hell - Preston Sprinkle
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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Recent years have seen much controversy regarding hell: Do we go to heaven or hell when we die? Or do we cease to exist? Are believers and unbelievers ultimately saved in the end?
This second edition of Four Views on Hell, featuring all new contributors, highlights why the church still needs to wrestle with the doctrine of hell. In the familiar counterpoints format, four leading scholars introduce us to the current views on eternal judgment, with particular attention being given to the new voices that have entered the debate.
Contributors and views include:
Denny Burk: Eternal Conscious Torment
John Stackhouse: Annihilationism (Conditional Immortality)
Robin Parry: Universalism (Ultimate Reconciliation)
Jerry Walls: Purgatory
General editor Preston Sprinkle concludes the discussion by evaluating each view, noting significant points of exchange between the essayists. The interactive nature of the volume allows the reader to reflect on the strengths and weaknesses of each view and come to an informed conclusion.
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There is no eternal, conscious torment in some sort of "hell." Here are verses showing the wicked will be destroyed and will not "be" anymore:
"For yet a little while, and *_the wicked shall not be:_* yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be" (Psalms 37:10).
"When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that *_they shall be destroyed for ever"_* (Psalms 92:7).
"The way of the LORD is strength to the upright: but *_destruction_* shall be to the workers of iniquity" (Proverbs 10:29).
"As the whirlwind passeth, *_so is the wicked no more:_* but the righteous is an everlasting foundation" (Proverbs 10:25).
"Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth, That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; Yet *_he shall perish for ever_* like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?" (Job 20:4-7).
Even Satan will be destroyed:
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; *_therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee._* All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and *_never shalt thou be any more"_* (Ezekiel 28:17-19).
The apostle Paul wrote, "For the wages of sin is death; but *_the gift of God is eternal life_* through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23). Yes, the wages of sin is death, not eternal life in some sort of burning hellfire. We either perish through death, or we receive the gift of eternal life: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not *_perish,_* but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Those are the two alternatives; we perish in death, or else we receive the gift of eternal life. You either receive eternal life as a gift from God, or you perish: you cease to exist because you haven't received eternal life.
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Salvation is not about *_where_* you'll spend eternity. You won't even *_have_* an eternity - of any sort, anywhere - unless God chooses to give you the gift of eternal life!!! Otherwise, you'll perish in death.
The "immortal soul" is a lie passed down from pagan religion. *_If we were immortal, God would not need to give us eternal life._* And remember, God put the first couple out of the Garden so they would NOT eat of the tree of life and so live forever. Apparently they did not have immortality. We still DO NOT have immortality.
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For anyone reading this who is undecided about the meaning of "hell" I recommend using a Bible search tool to find all the New Testament uses of "hell" and see what Greek word "hell" was translated from. You'll discover that "hell" in the KJV NT appears 23 times and was translated from three different original Greek words, ( geenna, hades and tartaroo ) each of which has a different meaning! That's where a lot of today's confusion begins! Look into it! You'll find that later versions of the Bible actually corrected some of the KJV errors in this regard, for example, correctly translating the Greek _hades_ as the "grave" instead of "hell." Young's Literal Translation (YLT) does not even use the word "hell" and, for example, uses "gehenna" - the reference to the Greek _geenna_ dump - instead of "hell."
Revelation 21:8 shows that being cast into the lake of fire *_IS_* the second death, which for the wicked is death after the resurrection for judgment as described in John 5:28,29 and Rev 20:12-15 . Those who get the second death do not exist anymore and they have no further hope of consciousness or life or resurrection. It is the end of them, just as described in the verses I quoted earlier. Here's Revelation 21:8:
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
So, here's the big question: Is the "lake of fire" a literal place, or, is it a figurative expression signifying destruction? It's both. Remember the verses about God bringing forth a fire "in the midst" of Satan and reducing Satan "to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee"? Well, Revelation 20:7-10 tells more of the story. In short, after the millenium Satan will be allowed to deceive and lead "the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea" (Rev 20:8). "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city [Jerusalem]: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them" (Rev 20:9). Satan and his followers are destroyed by fire sent by God. With so many on fire it will probably look like a "lake of fire" has surrounded Jerusalem.
The prophet Malachi described the event:
"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts" (Malachi 4:1,3).
The "lake of fire" is also used in a figurative sense. After the final resurrection and the judgment (Rev 20:12-15) everyone will have either received eternal life, or else the second death. There will be no more mortals left, so death will not happen any more: death will have been destroyed. And there will be no one left in the grave awaiting resurrection for judgment: the grave will also have been destroyed. Revelation 20:14 describes, figuratively, the destruction of death and the grave:
"And death and hell [Greek _hades_, the grave] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
The apostle Paul wrote in 1 Cor 15:26, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." Death is destroyed after the wicked are destroyed *_through_* death, specifically the second death. The wicked don't live forever: they're *_destroyed!_*
So, what about verses like this:
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matthew 25:46).
It's helpful to realize that words like _permanent_ and _final_ never appear in the KJV. Instead, words like _everlasting_ or _eternal_ or _for ever_ are used. Words like _everlasting_ often suggest to us today an ongoing, continuing situation, like perpetual motion. When you see "everlasting," you have to discern what was intended: is it permanent, finished and irretractable, or, is it perpetual, unfinished and ongoing? For example, when we execute someone, the punishment is permanent: we can't undo it, it's final and it's done. *_The punishment is eternal in the sense that it's permanent and stands forever, but it's not perpetual, ongoing punishing._*
Likewise for the wicked: they will be punished permanently through death, specifically the second death. That punishment will be permanent and final; it will stand forever and in that sense it will be eternal or everlasting. They will not be subjected to perpetual, ongoing punishing. This is consistent with the verses quoted earlier showing the wicked will perish, will be destroyed and no longer "be."
The "weeping, and gnashing of teeth" Jesus spoke of is because of mental anguish, not physical torment. When the wicked see others receiving eternal life and realize that they, too, could have received eternal life but for their own foolish choices, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
We are called to repent, and to grow and overcome as He leads us. Why? God wants - and is *_creating_* - sons and daughters He can live with forever. "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" (Rev 21:7).
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R U a J.W? You have the nicest beliefs and theres no trace of paganism in them- no trinity, no imortal soul and no hell. But, while your correct in the round,that the wicked will be destroyed, likr the devil. ( if he is, everyone is. Cant top that) theres still the question of WHEN will the wicked will perish.It appears the wicked will be punished for awhile but it could be on earth after the reserection of contempt if the soul does not in fact exist. Even here you offered hope through one scripture which indicated the punishement will be swift. Ironic isnt it.If hell is real, those who believe in it go to heaven. Those who dont believe in hell end up there. If thats the case then 'the truth will make you flee'. Peace brother.
@@chriswest6652 Hi, no, not a JW and never have been. I'm not part of/affiliated with any denomination. Yes, the immortal soul concept is pagan in origin and it blocks people from seeing the truth: we can - in fact - perish, never to exist anymore. Here's Plato promoting the immortal soul idea, which has gradually been adopted - unfortunately - by mainstream Christianity:
_"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC)
Mt 25.46 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. so one eternal is not eternal.....
Is Zondervan claiming that Universalism is an Orthodox view by claiming that none of the views are heretical?
Sounds like it...
Where did you get Universalism from what he talked about?
No
@@jordanh.8529 Universalism is the 3rd view he mentioned (by another name)
The universalist opens his section by listing the long line of christian universalists dating back to the early church
Think about a loving earthly father. When you raise children, of course you have rules, and there are punishments for breaking those rules. If a child breaks the rules, he gets put in "time out", or denied privileges for a period of time, or spanked, or whatever the punishment is. The purpose is to teach that child right from wrong. No earthly father would ever punish his child forever. So, if God is a Heavenly Father, wouldn't it be the same way with him?
There is a scripture that says every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God. How can that happen if some people are burning in hell forever? Will they be forced to? If God honors free will, then he would never force someone to worship him. Then maybe they will do so in hopes of getting out of that terrible place? But if hell is eternal there would be no point. I'm just providing food for thought to those who think God is going to throw people in hell to burn forever.
HELL is a REAL PLACE, Period!!! And PRAISE JESUS that I am NOT going there because of JESUS' Sacrifice for me and my sins!!! HALLELUJAH and THANK YOU JESUS!!!
Why would jesus sacrifice for you or for those who killed people ,killing is a sin and rapping is a sin , relations out of marriage is also a sin and more and more sins . why jesus would sacrifice for more than 1 milliard christan people 's sins he is certainly not a god and if he was a god why do we use the word sacrifice ,god is something that the word sacrifice does definitly not suit him or should be related to him god does not sacrfice he is a god he doesn't need you or me but what he want from us is to worship him and take responsabilities in our actions if i kill i sould be punished if i did something wrong to sm1 i should apologize or i would be punished that's what god need from us, to recognize him to know that the earth didnt creat itself or that the god has a son why god would need a son he is not a human and doesnt have certainly the human caracters or instinct to have a baby so we can survive on earth ,the god has the whole universe and much more for those who re believing in god will be in heaven and if there is a heaven, a hell should be here too for those who dont believe in god or they're mistaken that a god has a son and that jesus is a god . God is allah , hasno son, no wifes,no parents . but only him ,one god is ALLAH!
UNIVERSALISM!
Hell just means "Grave" and Gehenna means "Dump".
So, none of these four geniuses are aware of these?
"POSTHUMOUS FATE" is the proper academic term.
You mind as well entitle this dumb ass publication:
"FOUR VIEWS OF GRAVES AND GARBAGE DUMPS".
~Steven of Montreal
Gehenna doesn't mean dump, that's a rather random observation by a rabbi. Rather Hinnom is a place of sacrificing children by flame:
> “He also defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire for Molech.” (2 Kings 23:10, NASB)
@@fireandworms
No, you're wrong. It's both. That's why they later chose that valley as a dump. I'm sure that Rabbi's Hebrew is better than yours, so guess what, you "Infernalist"? STFU.
No, hell is the Greek for Hebrew Sheol, which is the place of the dead. Jesus used the term Gehenna as an analogy for the place of suffering where there is weeping and nashing of teeth and where there will be torture in the presence of the Lamb. Jesus also uses "flames" to describe hell while also saying hell is a place of darkness, obviously He is portraying the terror of such a place or reality by using metaphor or analogy like He did in much of His teaching. Would it make sense for one to throw out the passage of Jesus saying He is the gate once they figure out that a gate is a medal door with hinges?
@@Bibleguy89-uu3nr Not sure what you're responding to, but you probably meant that Hades is the Greek for Sheol. Hell is not greek, it's a Germanic-Norse word for the underworld.
@@fireandworms I did mean to say Hades, I was responding to the guy who made the post.