WCW Blunder - Bret Hart's Time in World Championship Wrestling

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  • Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024

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  • @zlinedavid
    @zlinedavid 3 месяца назад +140

    Bret needed a “That doesn’t work for me, eh” clause in his contract.

  • @GutturalReef
    @GutturalReef 3 месяца назад +109

    One (positive) thing I always remember was when Rick Rude was with Curt, he never took bumps except to Bret, because Rick trusted Bret and knew Bret would take care of him.

  • @aihf
    @aihf 3 месяца назад +125

    So to recap, the only idea WCW ever had for Bret was "do a shock heel turn". Over and over.

    • @martynodonnell
      @martynodonnell 3 месяца назад +22

      WCW as a company. Had no idea how to book a wrestling show. They got lucky with a couple of good ideas, at a downtime for WWF and wrestling as a whole. However once WWF worked out what the fans were now wanting. It was just a matter of time before it was game over for WCW.

    • @HULK-HOGAN1
      @HULK-HOGAN1 3 месяца назад +7

      I can't fathom how WCW was unable to track down and employ experienced bookers, even bringing some out of retirement or something idk. Did WCW simply not have the long standing connections like WWF had?

    • @martynodonnell
      @martynodonnell 3 месяца назад +6

      @@HULK-HOGAN1 who you think they could have brought in? Who would you bring in?
      WCW to their credit did try to bring in Vince Russo, during this time. The booking was shocking. However after he left WWF for WCW. WWFs booking actually did suffer, during the second half of 99 especially. Which is being covered on this channel. With the poor booking of Kane, having a girlfriend and feelings and the whole Big Shows angle with Bossman. Also early 2000 would give us the Mae Young gives birth to a hand angle. This era always gets heralded as some sort of untouchable golden era for wrestling. However both companies had their fair share of terrible booking and angles.

    • @MaynardOwns
      @MaynardOwns 3 месяца назад +1

      Also swerve him to the new nwo2000 leader with hall Nash and double J?!? What a roster.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 3 месяца назад +4

      @@HULK-HOGAN1they had Dusty and Watts as bookers at various points. Ole Anderson had been the head booker for awhile in the 80’s I believe. Ric Flair was on the booking committee at one point. The other major problem was that the Turner television people didn’t like wrestling or trust wrestling people.

  • @AreaEightyNine
    @AreaEightyNine 3 месяца назад +155

    The Hitman is one of my all time personal favorites. Bret Hart deserved A LOT better than what he was dealt after 1997.

    • @thebitgamer2425
      @thebitgamer2425 3 месяца назад +10

      Was NOT expecting to see you here

    • @CharlesSorensenMusic
      @CharlesSorensenMusic 3 месяца назад +9

      WCW was such a dumpster fire, it almost seemed deliberate.

    • @crylittlesister6377
      @crylittlesister6377 3 месяца назад +3

      @@AreaEightyNine Aside from the tail end of the year Bret had an amazing 1997. His character development was the best it had been in years and he was still one of the best performers in the industry.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад +2

      Desrved better than what?
      Bret got paid the max to do the least.

    • @tayojones9460
      @tayojones9460 3 месяца назад +2

      @yoholmes273 Money is not everything

  • @aarongaray2595
    @aarongaray2595 3 месяца назад +98

    "Uh who are you to doubt El Dandy" will never not be funny 😂

    • @tafua_a
      @tafua_a 3 месяца назад +7

      "How about Hypnosis? I was gonna give him a title shot!"

    • @OldGrayBeardo
      @OldGrayBeardo 3 месяца назад +3

      He's a jam-up guy!

    • @BlueFox284
      @BlueFox284 3 месяца назад +3

      He's a serious professional.

    • @hansjuker8296
      @hansjuker8296 Месяц назад

      Doubting El Dandy is why I stopped watching wrestling.

  • @sirkjohno0129
    @sirkjohno0129 3 месяца назад +142

    I genuinely believe Hulk Hogan was the guy primarily keeping Bret down in WCW and Bischoff just takes the bullet for it all.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад +8

      Bischoff is an absolute clown. Bischoff killed WCW.
      Dont be dumb-on-purpose

    • @chamuuemura5314
      @chamuuemura5314 3 месяца назад +12

      Biachoff’s a clown but Hogan and Goldberg bored the fans all the way to WWF.

    • @crylittlesister6377
      @crylittlesister6377 3 месяца назад +19

      @@sirkjohno0129 Well Bischoff was the one who wrote the creative control clause into Hogans contract so he kinda deserves it

    • @Henry-i5h
      @Henry-i5h 3 месяца назад +7

      ​@@yoholmes273 Your right Eric killed WCW him and his boyfriend Hogan killed WCW

    • @johnnydropkicks
      @johnnydropkicks 3 месяца назад +8

      But, Bischoff was the boss. If he wasn’t so concerned about ball-washing Hulk Hogan maybe things would’ve been different.

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 3 месяца назад +57

    Irony of Vince McMahon not being a rasslin' guy is that he knew how to showcase the ultimate ring technician of the '90s. WCW saw the Montreal Screwjob as an opportunity to present a heel mid-carder.

    • @PJBlick
      @PJBlick 3 месяца назад +6

      Ofc, cause anything else wouldn't work for "him," brother.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@PJBlickBLaming Hogan because Bret SUCKED in WCW is just soooooooo modern day kid MARK nonsense.

    • @tafua_a
      @tafua_a 3 месяца назад +1

      @@PJBlick You still could have had some wiggle room. There were wrestlers that Hogan was willing to do the job to. Use those to transition Bret into the main event.

    • @tayojones9460
      @tayojones9460 3 месяца назад

      @yoholmes273 Dude get off your high horse. Hogan is and always will be a selfish jerk and Bret for all his faults is one 0f the greatest wrestlers in the world so show bloody respect you bloody smark

    • @russellwestbrook462
      @russellwestbrook462 3 месяца назад +5

      @@yoholmes273yea I bet hogan had zero influence over bischoff and wcw right?

  • @g-dub5272
    @g-dub5272 3 месяца назад +48

    2 years??? It took 2 years to get a heavyweight title match? Absolutely crazy!!!

    • @MannyPatino
      @MannyPatino 3 месяца назад +3

      I’m very sad that WCW didn’t handle him better

    • @AWrestlingHistorian
      @AWrestlingHistorian 3 месяца назад +2

      "So (Bret) could be one of the lowest drawing champions in WCW like he was in WWE? Nah."
      - Eric Bischoff
      Twitter

    • @Rub-hd1vn
      @Rub-hd1vn 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@AWrestlingHistorian eric bishoff should look at his own ideas before saying bret couldnt draw money as champ

  • @craigkemery
    @craigkemery 3 месяца назад +122

    Replying to this video live from Hitman’s bar in Calgary,
    * dramatic pause* Alberta Canada

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 3 месяца назад +6

      It’s the Canadian rule. Can’t do just city and province. Can’t do just city and country. It’s got to be city……province, country.

    • @brianmcdonald7017
      @brianmcdonald7017 3 месяца назад +5

      If I could be serious for a moment

    • @tafua_a
      @tafua_a 3 месяца назад +5

      @@zlinedavid 1) It's city... province, country.
      2) Always remember to be serious for a minute (possibly without being interrupted)
      3) Use the superior Canadian Metric System
      4) Don't blame Canada, blame yourself

    • @17thN.O
      @17thN.O 3 месяца назад

      ​@@tafua_aThat's always gonna be classic.

  • @roccojamison89gooker51
    @roccojamison89gooker51 3 месяца назад +179

    Another way that Bret Hart was misused by WCW was that Bret did not get much of a chance to work with Alex Wright, Norman Smiley, El Dandy, or David Flair.

    • @gumdeo
      @gumdeo 3 месяца назад +28

      Bret v. Brat(wurst) was such an obvious match.

    • @nickasbach4846
      @nickasbach4846 3 месяца назад +4

      Beat me to it! 😂

    • @BlueLighteningGojo
      @BlueLighteningGojo 3 месяца назад +11

      Bret Hart vs David Flair....I would've sold my entire body to see that match.

    • @rauladdams5709
      @rauladdams5709 3 месяца назад +11

      ​@@BlueLighteningGojo
      Brett would have pulled a classic out of David Flair.

    • @kylethecherry-nosesanalite1723
      @kylethecherry-nosesanalite1723 3 месяца назад +13

      El Dandy. Now, that was a person who had that jam. It would have been an all-time classic.

  • @chloeirnes
    @chloeirnes 3 месяца назад +40

    Great video!
    I love how, in his book, Bret shares the reason he was always in street clothes in WCW was because there was no locker room security and his gear kept getting stolen!

    • @michaelnugent9758
      @michaelnugent9758 3 месяца назад +11

      😂😂😂 Unbelievable. Such a WCW thing. They couldn't stop shooting themselves in the foot. It's unreal

  • @datgeekguy
    @datgeekguy 3 месяца назад +28

    His time in WCW is a microcosm of everything wrong with the promotion.

  • @robertellis6180
    @robertellis6180 3 месяца назад +46

    I was watching a stevie Richard's video earlier and he was shouting out wrestling bios editing skills, and hes right, best made wrestling videos on youtube

    • @HULK-HOGAN1
      @HULK-HOGAN1 3 месяца назад +2

      Definitely needs more video footage weaved in

    • @WrestlingBios
      @WrestlingBios  3 месяца назад +10

      @@HULK-HOGAN1 Would love to, honestly. It would make editing a lot easier and would save a ton of time. WWE just completely wreck me for using clips these days and they take the videos down.

    • @mrassassinscreedfan1
      @mrassassinscreedfan1 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@WrestlingBios it's a shame they keep doing that, you think there would be an upside to someone promoting them like this

    • @MachtPlays
      @MachtPlays 27 дней назад

      @@WrestlingBiosyou should be working for wwe tbh.
      But I know they would totally ruin your creativity though.

  • @RobClooney
    @RobClooney 3 месяца назад +19

    "To say that Bret Hart was the most talked about wrestler after Survivor Series 97 would be an understatement" is in itself, an understatement. Bret was the most talked about wrestler leading up to the Survivor Series. I was at the last house show before SS in Detroit, and everyone wanted to see if he was going to drop the belt before the Big show. I think Survivor Series 97 might have been the moment where the casual fan started understanding there were dirt sheets and such.

  • @jamisonlamkin5576
    @jamisonlamkin5576 3 месяца назад +32

    His greatest moment was when he shouted out Smokey………his cat!

    • @ctwwtc8761
      @ctwwtc8761 3 месяца назад

      your an animal!!!!

  • @GamingManual
    @GamingManual 3 месяца назад +16

    Who are WE to doubt El Dandy? Bret is, was, and always will be my favorite of all time.

  • @TheRetroViking
    @TheRetroViking 3 месяца назад +20

    Just a quick thank you message for all the entertainement you give us each week . Keep it up ! :)

  • @Morechinlockvicar
    @Morechinlockvicar 3 месяца назад +20

    Bret Vs Hypnosis
    The Match we all wanted but never got.

  • @RedneckOgre9000
    @RedneckOgre9000 3 месяца назад +34

    Sheamus’ opinion of Bret Hart in WCW: “Blunder after blunder after blunder after blunder!”

    • @JohnCrawford1979
      @JohnCrawford1979 3 месяца назад

      Any time he doesn't understand something, he calls it a blunder, and all the WWE fans cheer because hatred for WCW getting back to back ratings better than the WWE always leaves them with salty bitter tears.

  • @henrikschmidt3964
    @henrikschmidt3964 3 месяца назад +13

    Bret's promo from the Toronto Nitro is still special when I watch it.
    Bret was so over with his Canadian fans and his delivery is spot on.
    The awesome steel plate angle is just icing.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад

      Then he said "I quite" like an absolute goof.

    • @henrikschmidt3964
      @henrikschmidt3964 3 месяца назад

      @@yoholmes273 Yea, I choose to cut off just before that. LOL
      But it is a strong promo.

  • @ambivalentrants
    @ambivalentrants 3 месяца назад +11

    For all the praise going Bret’s way, I still feel he remains underrated. As an in-ring performer. But also on the mic. Terrific face, terrific heel, the greatest technical wrestler this business has seen by a long long way. People talk of Mt. Rushmore and Bret barely sneaks in. If it were me, I’d have four Brets on Mt. Rushmore, have four Mt. Rushmores and then there’d come other wrestlers waiting in line.
    The pink and black attack.
    The excellence of execution.
    The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
    Bret ‘The Hitman’ Hart 🐐

  • @BearFaceTV
    @BearFaceTV 3 месяца назад +20

    Fun fact with Brett Hart last WWE run. It looked sad and pathetic on tv but at house shows Bret could still go. He had an insurance pay out from the Lourdes of London and had many stipulations within it so he was very careful not to go full speed on television. At house shows it was a different thing. He went hard and looked like Bret of old. You can still find some 2010 house show content on RUclips

    • @matthewwoods1016
      @matthewwoods1016 3 месяца назад +5

      Brett Baer? That’s the FOX News host. I know you meant Hart.

    • @ninowaves4061
      @ninowaves4061 3 месяца назад +3

      He ment Brit Hume

    • @king_eternal
      @king_eternal 3 месяца назад +7

      Even at house shows Bret didn't take bumps. He threw a lot of strikes and reversals. He looked more amazing than on PPV but I think that was because his opponent was Vince lol

    • @matthewwoods1016
      @matthewwoods1016 3 месяца назад

      @@ninowaves4061 Bret Baer also works for FOX

    • @BearFaceTV
      @BearFaceTV 3 месяца назад

      @@matthewwoods1016 😂

  • @henri6207
    @henri6207 3 месяца назад +16

    For Brets debut Id have him be a surprise opponent for Scott Hall at Starcade where the winner will referee the main event. Bret wins ofc. Then just have Sting beat Hogan clean and start the Sting vs Bret rivalry

    • @jackcarraway4707
      @jackcarraway4707 3 месяца назад +1

      Bret was on a 60 day no compete clause hence why he didn't work a match until Souled Out against Flair.
      Here's what I'd do with Bret for Starrcade:
      1. Don't hype him up. Yeah everyone knew he going to Atlanta after Survivor Series, but WCW would still be better off by at least trying to make it a surprise.
      2. During the main event have Hogan try to run away but have Bret appear at the entrance ramp and drag the Orange Goblin back to the ring to help Sting.

  • @benespinosa6725
    @benespinosa6725 3 месяца назад +23

    Awesome episode of WCW blunder bret Hart's run in WCW was indeed a blunder great video.

  • @StealthMarmot_
    @StealthMarmot_ 3 месяца назад +28

    Eric Bischoff, to his credit, does own up to his part in not making Bret work. He admits he had no idea what to do with him, and also says that Bret had no real spark in his attitude once he came to WCW, since the Montreal incident really broke his heart. On top of that, Owen died during his run, and further depressed him.
    That said I think that Bret was right that Bischoff had no idea how to really run a wrestling company and that everything was such a clusterf*ck behind the scenes that Bret didn't have much to work with. The whole nWo angle worked great for a while, but fell apart after not too long. There really was no singular cause to the issues.
    I also do believe that while Goldberg did cut his career short with that kick, Bret probably didn't have that many good years left in him. He was 42 at the time, and had been wrestling for over 2 decades. Not only had he been wrestling, but he was considered a workhorse who rarely took vacations so he was wearing himself down through all that time. While 42 is by no means old in current wrestling (AJ Styles is 47, R Truth is 52), very few wrestlers of the time managed to make it to 50 and still wrestle, much less wrestle well. Bret was still good, and I would even say still in his prime, but that wouldn't have lasted past 45, and I think he wouldn't have been wrestling good enough for his own standards before 50.
    Still, I wish he had made it and had the chance to retire with full dignity and have a chance to slow down and maybe show the next generation how it's done, instead of basically being pried away from the ring he loved so much.

    • @BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc
      @BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc 3 месяца назад +8

      all of this is true. It can be 2 things at once that Bret wasn't 100% Bret and that Eric didn't know how to use him to his full potential. Honestly, Eric used him like he did others with a lot of inconsistency. His head was too far up Hogan's rear at the time to see it especially when paying him that kind of money. It doesn't help that Bret wasn't like others that came from WWF like Hogan, Piper, Savage, Hall and Nash and guys that had a lot of ideas of what they wanted to do. Bret wasn't that forward about it and Eric was not like Vince to control things

    • @BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc
      @BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc 3 месяца назад +3

      Also, Bret was on the back end of his peak. It's talked about like Bret got injured in the middle of his prime or something. He also mentioned in one interview about a Sid incident that made his concussions worse where he took a few bumps including the powerbomb that made him see stars

    • @nickmorgan8078
      @nickmorgan8078 3 месяца назад +2

      I blame Eric for allowing Hogan creative control that continuously hamstrung what he and his predecessor could do. I can totally see Hogan agreeing to wrestle Brett one month and then change his mind the following month. WCW may have survived had they fired Hogan for totally messing up the Starcade finish. Eric still makes excuses for Hogan to this day.

    • @tafua_a
      @tafua_a 3 месяца назад

      Honestly, I think that he could have had more than 3 years, in 2001 WCW folded, and he could have afforded lighter schedules with ROH and TNA.
      I totally see him retiring in 2005, maybe against Kurt Angle, in that year Bret did accept an olive branch from WWE.

    • @quikdeath100
      @quikdeath100 2 месяца назад

      Bischoff is just making excuses. Owen died 17 months after Bret joined WCW.

  • @br0neh
    @br0neh 3 месяца назад +4

    Man as someone that watched WCW religiously at the time. Watching this video of Bret’s run was more painful than I remember. You’re absolutely right, there was no continuity week to week of his character or motivations. It feels like they came up with just whatever they could think of 5 minutes before the show

    • @JohnCrawford1979
      @JohnCrawford1979 3 месяца назад

      That's kind of the narrative he wants to create. Another angle is that Bret had a lot of opportunities he wasted. I used to like Bret, but he has just become a sad, bitter, broken record.

    • @quikdeath100
      @quikdeath100 3 месяца назад

      @@JohnCrawford1979he’s not even bitter

  • @Konki
    @Konki 3 месяца назад +2

    I want you to know, that these videos of yours make my weeks better. Thank you so much. Greetings from Finland and Kiitos.

  • @shawnmichaels568
    @shawnmichaels568 3 месяца назад +15

    It's honestly unfortunate that Bret didn't fully get to grasp his time with WCW as he was still top notch in the ring.

    • @HULK-HOGAN1
      @HULK-HOGAN1 3 месяца назад +3

      Bret Hart had another 10 years of top notch wrestling left in him. Huge waste opportunity. I hate Vince for breaking the contact. At times I wished Bret didn't punch him so he could have sued Vince into the stratosphere

  • @NotAGarage
    @NotAGarage 3 месяца назад +12

    Bret Hart wrestled Disco Inferno on Thunder... that's a Blunder point

  • @jeffbeyer43
    @jeffbeyer43 3 месяца назад +84

    Brets demeanor in WCW just wasn't the same. Truly a wasted opportunity with a fresh superstar who people know coming off a legit screw job. Bret could have truly been a megastar in WCW

    • @JaskiratSGrewal
      @JaskiratSGrewal 3 месяца назад +7

      he already was a mega star

    • @Henry-y8b9q
      @Henry-y8b9q 3 месяца назад +17

      Eric bischoff wasted Bret hart in WCW

    • @crylittlesister6377
      @crylittlesister6377 3 месяца назад +10

      Sadly there were too many other megastars in WCW by the time Bret arrived. The roster was ridiculously bloated.

    • @davew005
      @davew005 3 месяца назад +3

      They really missed the mark with Bret the eejits

    • @romibodoni
      @romibodoni 3 месяца назад +11

      That wouldn't have worked for a certain someone, brother!

  • @jacksmith1983
    @jacksmith1983 3 месяца назад +7

    The narrative about Bret being a "shell" peddled by Eric Bischoff and others is nonsense and in Bischoff's case a cop-out to shift the blame onto a talent he mismanaged.
    Bret had matches with Booker T, Benoit, Flair, Sting, Jarrett, DDP and others in WCW which ranged from good to great. He hadn't lost much of a step in the ring and still put in the effort. The quality of his work was neutered by the lacklustre presentation and constant, senseless heel turns.

  • @jeromebourchier1812
    @jeromebourchier1812 3 месяца назад +3

    Thank you for the fantastic summary at the end of the video! Well spoke!

  • @blkmamba31
    @blkmamba31 3 месяца назад +85

    Goldberg eats corn the long way 🌽

    • @S.Dot87
      @S.Dot87 3 месяца назад +4

      😂😂😂😂

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 3 месяца назад +8

      That sign will never get old

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад

      Another modern day MARK ....

    • @russellwestbrook462
      @russellwestbrook462 3 месяца назад +3

      @@yoholmes273don’t get yourself worked over a 25 year old sign

  • @PJBlick
    @PJBlick 3 месяца назад +6

    But the best moment was the mentioning of the Jammiest of Jam Ups, Smoky, his Cat! :D

  • @jayjayson9613
    @jayjayson9613 3 месяца назад +2

    As a hockey fan, I loved seeing Bret wearing hockey shirts and jerseys to the ring. Seeing Calgary Hitmen gear on US TV at the time was wild.

  • @User-1683x2
    @User-1683x2 3 месяца назад +13

    Wcw was a real hartbreaker

  • @laurenced2916
    @laurenced2916 3 месяца назад +25

    Reading Bret's book and understanding how banged up his body was at that point, even without the Goldberg kick his career wouldn't have lasted much longer.

    • @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
      @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 3 месяца назад +1

      Really? How so?

    • @jackcarraway4707
      @jackcarraway4707 3 месяца назад +4

      ​​​​@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090Because by 1999 he was 42 and had a lot of wear and tear on his body from his career. Plus after the Screwjob, Owen's death and dealing with how toxic WCW was, the man was just mentally shot.

    • @tafua_a
      @tafua_a 3 месяца назад

      I wish he didn't get hurt during that match with Goldberg, just so he could take a break in 2001, recover and then maybe go to Ring of Honor to have bangers with CM Punk and Bryan Danielson. If there was one company he would have thrived in, it was ROH.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 3 месяца назад +3

      What I think would have happened without the kick is he sits out the remainder of the Turner contract when WWF buys out WCW which gives him time to stay home and rest and then he has another couple years left when he goes back to WWF, probably retiring from full time wrestling at 50, with appearances sporadically after that.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 3 месяца назад +1

      @@tafua_aROH couldn’t afford Bret Hart.

  • @manfredvonrichthofen4167
    @manfredvonrichthofen4167 3 месяца назад +9

    Bret Hart not getting the push he deserves has everything to do with backstage politics, and no person was more influential in vetoed pushes than Hogan. His creative control card is unmatched in wrestling history and kept him relevant when his star should have long since died out. You can follow a lot of the storylines that ended nonsensical or abruptly and see Hogan's hand in it. Whenever a possible torch passing opponent came, Hogan basically with Bischoff's influence buried their career in an avalanche of poor storylines, nonsensical booking, putting them on the back burner, till their hype or relevancy have been spent. Hogan thought the business was only there to serve him and therefore became the company's biggest trap in not reaching it's consistent goals

    • @JohnCrawford1979
      @JohnCrawford1979 3 месяца назад

      Have you ever thought that's part of the reason? I'm sick of this whole BS that Bret deserved this, or Bret deserved that. Sure, he had that wonderful line of being the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. Problem is, there's always someone better, and he couldn't solo it. The biggest part of the Hit Man was being a part of the Hart family. Take away the family name and fame and he's at best a mid-card.

  • @Haddley333
    @Haddley333 3 месяца назад +9

    Bret's entrance music in wwf was so iconic. It felt strange not hearing it in WCW and it made me realize how important the entrance music is. WCW could have at least worked a little harder with his theme music but it sounded half-assed like everything else.

  • @nicktaylor2657
    @nicktaylor2657 3 месяца назад +12

    Hulk Hogan: Bret just not on my level Brother 😊

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад +1

      He never was

    • @k.b.7718
      @k.b.7718 3 месяца назад +1

      @@yoholmes273 Don't make a fool of yourself!

    • @Henry-i5h
      @Henry-i5h 3 месяца назад

      ​@@yoholmes273 Hogan WAS NEVER IN BRET HART LEVEL🙂

  • @owenpeterson
    @owenpeterson 3 месяца назад +15

    Here's another Blunder. Bret attacked Bulldog and Neidhart on an episode of Thunder in September 1999 to aid Lex Luger. Bret had always valued his family members. WCW decided to throw the Hart Foundation out the window.

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 3 месяца назад +5

      If they insisted on keeping the nWo around that long, they could have built the Hart Foundation as an opposing stable. Given that Davey Boy and Anvil were both in WCW by mid ‘97, bring in Jericho and Benoit to fill the Owen and Pillman slots. Might have changed history.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 месяца назад +1

      Yet no one remembers this but everyone remembers Hulkster turning on all those little Hulkamaniacs.

  • @frankyturrizo4240
    @frankyturrizo4240 3 месяца назад +9

    Imagine how Bret feels when Flair and Funk could have decent matches at 60 and he didn't even make it to 50 . If wcw sent him to the doctor right after the kick, he probably could have

    • @tafua_a
      @tafua_a 3 месяца назад +2

      Or if he didn't bang his head on the floor during the figure 4 spot. Remember, the kick was his second concussion, which I honestly partly attribute to the fact that Bret was already concussed and couldn't protect himself properly.

    • @frankyturrizo4240
      @frankyturrizo4240 3 месяца назад +1

      @@tafua_a nah, when a wrestler kicks you, it should be soft

    • @mrblonde609
      @mrblonde609 3 месяца назад

      @@frankyturrizo4240 Yeah, it should be soft. But things don't always go as planned. Same with Owen Hart almost breaking Stone Colds neck with that Piledriver. I doubt that he would lecture Owen for that if Owen was still alive and Stone Cold would've gpt a career ending injury because auf that. Mistakes happen and while i regard Bret Hart as one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, i can't hear him talking about the same stuff for 25 years anymore. Goldberg failed but Bret Hart should've gone to the doctor immediately to check if everything is fine. Instead he wrestled half a dozen matches after that, even the hardcore match against Funk with that chair shots to the head. Bret Hart wasn't at fault for the kick, but he was at fault for not taking care after it. But yeah, maybe being bitter about the whole thing for another 25 years will do the trick.

  • @everythingmainecooncat4938
    @everythingmainecooncat4938 3 месяца назад +2

    No world title shots until Oct 99 is such a blunder here. WCW, you dropped the ball

  • @The_Baecon_King
    @The_Baecon_King 3 месяца назад +4

    I learned one thing from this and that's not to doubt El Dandy

  • @LesBretBros
    @LesBretBros 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for the video, as Bret is my favorite ever. Very very well done video, congrats! Wow.. these 2 years were hard to follow, storyline wise. 🙄 Bret deserved better for sure after 5 years on top of the WWF!

  • @LightningStorm73
    @LightningStorm73 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for another great video.

  • @keithlangman2081
    @keithlangman2081 3 месяца назад +25

    Bret was never going to get Hogan...Hulk is way too selfish...having Bret cut a promo where he responds to Vince is such a good idea and a great intro and even the easier course of action. I would love to know what Eric was thinking....I believe he had a lot on his plate at this time.... please correct me if I'm wrong.

    • @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
      @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 3 месяца назад +2

      Yeah half his damn career in Dubya See Dubya was calling out a man he’d never face and even if he did he’d either Job clean within 5 minutes or it would end in DQ. So in other words it would never be worth the wait or promos.
      Thaaaats WCW!

    • @BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc
      @BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc 3 месяца назад

      it's really weird because Hogan has a history of jumping at the chance to make headlines and be in the spotlight. I can't think of another reason besides his own ego when Bret had so much controversy and momentum when he entered the company

    • @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
      @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 3 месяца назад

      @@BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tc I think Hogan didn’t think Bret was in his league or something.

    • @mikebryant614
      @mikebryant614 3 месяца назад

      Correct, I can just hear Hogan being asked about a Match with the then redhot Brett Hart right after the Montreal Screwjob " That dont work for me, Brother!"

    • @kylethecherry-nosesanalite1723
      @kylethecherry-nosesanalite1723 3 месяца назад

      ​@@BenjaminBilyeu-jm3tcBecause the focus would have been on Bret, not Hogan.

  • @teach6882
    @teach6882 3 месяца назад +36

    Just to be fair, Bret couldnt have wrestled at Starrcade because of is no-compete clause which didnt allow him to wrestle

    • @TheLabecki
      @TheLabecki 3 месяца назад +20

      They could have just waited until he could actually wrestle.

    • @cordellmarley7558
      @cordellmarley7558 3 месяца назад +3

      Both things are true

    • @CulinaryJoey
      @CulinaryJoey 3 месяца назад

      He have hand injury 🤕

    • @kylethecherry-nosesanalite1723
      @kylethecherry-nosesanalite1723 3 месяца назад +1

      I figured it was something like that.
      Still, the special guest referee position was a weird call.

    • @jeremyburnet4855
      @jeremyburnet4855 3 месяца назад +3

      Starcade wasn’t the time for his debut as admittedly WCW were too invested in the Sting-Hogan storyline.
      But they should have had him chasing the title in early 1998 once all that was in the rear view mirror

  • @chrisfishback7363
    @chrisfishback7363 3 месяца назад +3

    Bret watching himself sign with WCW Interstellar-style 📚...
    "😭NO! NO! NOO! NOOOO!"

  • @vict4451
    @vict4451 3 месяца назад +2

    It would've been perfect if Bret used the "lost smile" bit when he was nursing his groin injury.

  • @Extreme4LYF
    @Extreme4LYF 3 месяца назад +2

    WCW took the biggest name in wrestling in December 1997 and ruined him within half a year. It was criminal what Bischoff (and Hogan) did to him.

  • @shahzebhasan9995
    @shahzebhasan9995 3 месяца назад +7

    3:50 Hell, even if WCW were obsessed with the referee thing, SURELY directly making Bret the Special Guest Referee for Hogan vs Sting would have been a better idea than the contrived nonsense they came up with. They could even keep the original finish, just have Bret be temporarily incapacitated and have Nick Patrick run in

    • @JPD2587
      @JPD2587 3 месяца назад +1

      As a huge fan at the time, like, a Canadian super fan, the Bischoff/Zsbisko thing just destroyed all of his momentum. It was like immediate confirmation that he had gone to a minor league.

  • @DoubleCee-kq6qd
    @DoubleCee-kq6qd 3 месяца назад +12

    Bret was definitely being misused in WCW.

  • @hhtptai
    @hhtptai 3 месяца назад +2

    Even after watching this video, I'm still failing to find the good in Bret's WCW run.

  • @thebipolarbear1
    @thebipolarbear1 3 месяца назад +1

    No sunny days in WCW just clouds and despair

  • @adamcammack3534
    @adamcammack3534 3 месяца назад +9

    Bret Hart and the real jam up guy his cat Smokey

    • @Mrtfarrugia
      @Mrtfarrugia 3 месяца назад +2

      And El Dandy. Don't you dare doubt him.

  • @k9feces
    @k9feces 3 месяца назад +3

    I was so pissed that Bret left WWF and he didn’t even want to.

  • @frankiesosa1766
    @frankiesosa1766 3 месяца назад +2

    I can't remember where I read this it might have been in either Ric Flair or Mick Foleys book that Vince foreshadowed Brets WCW run simply because "Eric Bischoff wouldn't even know how to book the Hitman"

  • @DuckAvenger
    @DuckAvenger 3 месяца назад

    I love videos like this, I remember my friends hated wcw and people who liked it so I never watched it. So as a kid it was like Bret was gone from wrestling after survivor series. So always cool to hear what he was up to even if it wasn't all great

  • @Jay32954
    @Jay32954 3 месяца назад +1

    Part of why Bret was initially a referee is that, according to the terms of his WWF contract, he couldn't wrestle for a certain period after his release.

  • @jgk2184
    @jgk2184 3 месяца назад +1

    With Bret Hart in WCW and how he was used, it reminds me of how people said Vince McMahon used WCW wrestlers in WWF/E.

  • @Darthloozer
    @Darthloozer 3 месяца назад +2

    Hart should have been booked in a feud with Hall and Nash. It was a ready made feud. And Hart manhandling both of them would have kept his momentum going…

  • @WolfRobles
    @WolfRobles 3 месяца назад +6

    What a fuckin disaster. So many missed opportunities. What a shame

  • @shepcon7892
    @shepcon7892 3 месяца назад +1

    Excellent video as always, that said I hate ‘reliving’ this particular Hart breaking garbage

  • @babayaga1988
    @babayaga1988 3 месяца назад +16

    bret was mentality checked out after the screw job and the death of owen hart

    • @HULK-HOGAN1
      @HULK-HOGAN1 3 месяца назад +2

      A screw job like that would mess you up for life. It's not like Tim being fired from the grocery store. This was a highly respected megastar celebrity who was publically excommunicated

  • @MGPW
    @MGPW 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for showing a bigger story there than just the bits people remember. There were some good matches (and really, if it isn't overbooked, you could always rely on Bret to give a good match, just have two people competing for 10-30 minutes without weird interference), but there were so many terrible decisions along the way. As for Russo & Bischoff both giving less than truthful accounts of things, unfortunately, the nature of pro wrestling is that self-promotion is important above almost everything else, so everyone who even used to be in the business but still wants to be sort of connected to it will be a relentless self-promoter, and thus you can never get the whole story from most of them.

  • @JohnDoe0801
    @JohnDoe0801 3 месяца назад +5

    I was born in 1990 and remember seeing him on TV. I got into WWF around 98, not long after bret left for WCW and i wasnt into WCW all that much so never watched him over on nitro. Wasnt until i grew up that i realised how damn good he was. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be.

  • @Chimpa307
    @Chimpa307 3 месяца назад +19

    What a CHANCE to finally see Bret vs Hogan, and see Hogan’s BEST MATCH EVER! But WCW did NOT make it happen!

    • @TheChrisPhoenix
      @TheChrisPhoenix 3 месяца назад

      They did, on a random episode of Nitro that ended in DQ and if memory serves me right they only did that match to randomly turn Bret heel.

    • @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
      @gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 3 месяца назад +12

      Hogan *was* the reason why it never happened.

    • @Chimpa307
      @Chimpa307 3 месяца назад +3

      @@TheChrisPhoenixfor not even 4 MINUTES!

    • @Henry-y8b9q
      @Henry-y8b9q 3 месяца назад +7

      Hogan is egomaniac he would never do that

    • @thor1829
      @thor1829 3 месяца назад +2

      @@TheChrisPhoenix worst part is that Hogan pulled out the stops and started wrestling like he was in Japan, which was really cool to see.

  • @zacharythomason7359
    @zacharythomason7359 3 месяца назад +1

    Great video as always 💎💎💎💎😎😎😎😎

  • @chrisholiday3273
    @chrisholiday3273 3 месяца назад +1

    I actually think the best use of Bret from the moment he came in was to go after the nWo as a sort of "avenger". He could have cut shoot promos about "backstage politics" and how Hogan, Hall and Nash had played politics to get where they were. He could say that politics had ruined his previous career and he was there to put a stop to politics in WCW before it ruined that company too.

  • @BIGGIEDEVIL
    @BIGGIEDEVIL 3 месяца назад

    Absolutely amazing video the detail and info is what i like there isn't anything wrong in from what you said well done

  • @burntvirtue
    @burntvirtue 3 месяца назад

    The fact that you omitted the backstage brawl (save for a single clip) between Bret & Sting during their feud leading up to Halloween Havoc is a crime as it's the greatest backstage brawl ever.

  • @perry3770
    @perry3770 3 месяца назад +1

    Going from WWF champion to debuting as a referee to Hogan/Sting was like a complete slap in the face.

    • @pleaseshutup7053
      @pleaseshutup7053 3 месяца назад

      Not even the champion part the fact his last appearance on tv was getting screwed by a red and Vince and now he is the ref is a slap

  • @joypadlad
    @joypadlad 3 месяца назад +4

    Why are we saying Bret vs. Hogan never happened when it happened on Nitro in 1998?

    • @quikdeath100
      @quikdeath100 3 месяца назад +4

      It didn’t happen. It was a five min match that just ended with him rejoining the nwo

  • @jeremyburnet4855
    @jeremyburnet4855 3 месяца назад

    Watching this all over on Reliving the War; he was admittedly pretty much always presented as a main event star in WCW, but his run consisted of a whole series of “step 1”s for storylines and never a fleshed-out narrative arc.

  • @ShawnKlein-m1r
    @ShawnKlein-m1r 3 месяца назад

    Love your videos a video on what Brett did good inwcw ?

  • @justinalexander6462
    @justinalexander6462 3 месяца назад +2

    The truth of the matter is,
    No one was going to be bigger than Hogan PERIOD
    No matter who it was, he just would never allow it

  • @RedneckResin
    @RedneckResin 3 месяца назад +1

    I don't know if you watch the Stevie Richards show but he gave your channel a shout out and asked if you can give him some pointers on editing I think it was the episode where he talks about godfather in Right To Censor

  • @RedWolfWindgear
    @RedWolfWindgear 3 месяца назад +2

    I liked his feud with Mad TV personality Will Sasso. That was entertaining.

  • @ModernVintageTV0
    @ModernVintageTV0 3 месяца назад +3

    Bret was grossly missused in WCW, just like Sting was grossly missused in WWE

  • @TONYGILLEY
    @TONYGILLEY 3 месяца назад +3

    I stand by my absolute disdain for WCW management over its extremely poor treatment of Bret Hart. I didn't like Vince McMahon's constant fickleness throughout Bret's Main Event/World champion Years and Illogical BUTT-LOVE for HBK during that final stretch of his WWF run, but Bischoff's never-ending incompetence and Hulk Hogan's boundless selfishness makes Vince look like a Saint by comparison.
    Aside from doing what he could to build up both Booker T and Chris Benoit, plus what should have been repeated Money Magic with DDP, I really don't care for Bret's WCW run and it's through no fault of his.

  • @jtown1022
    @jtown1022 3 месяца назад +1

    Re: Blunder 2 - their hands were legally tied with Hart's non-compete period. I agree that a stare down with Sting (or Hogan) would've been better than what they did, but you can't discuss this w/o at least acknowledging the non-compete period.

  • @mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
    @mikebottomlesspitdunham2954 2 месяца назад

    To be fair, that plan about Bret being a top guy on Thunder was back when Eric was positioning WCW for a Brand Split. Once nWo Nitro failed, it was back to square one.

  • @marvellis6762
    @marvellis6762 3 месяца назад +1

    Hogan said to Eric, don't allow Bret to rise to the top here.

  • @zeldafan2262
    @zeldafan2262 2 месяца назад

    What's the music playing at 21:37?.

  • @skrounst
    @skrounst 2 месяца назад

    18:28 Dude, red Crow Sting with Goatee is CRAZY. It always slips my mind, and jump scares me every time I see it again. An outrageous look. I can't tell if it's amazing or deserves a blunder point.

  • @DaniArrow
    @DaniArrow 3 месяца назад

    Interesting video. (Y) I watched this all on TV as a kid but the "storyline" was lost on me. 😅 It still is but at least now I've got some explanation.

  • @ziahamm1603
    @ziahamm1603 3 месяца назад +1

    What would have made the most sense? Bret going specifically after The Outsiders after debuting given they were ya know, Shawn's best friends?

  • @christianfree5046
    @christianfree5046 3 месяца назад

    I’m 2 mins into this video…and I just want to thank you for this great channel

  • @Mike_oliver1313
    @Mike_oliver1313 3 месяца назад +1

    My favorite wrestler of all time the hitman

  • @TheBat1992
    @TheBat1992 3 месяца назад +4

    Bret hart in wcw was the biggest disappointment ever in the Monday night war and looking back now he should’ve just stayed with wwf and became attitude era star along with Austin and Undertaker

    • @Bernicia295
      @Bernicia295 3 месяца назад +3

      Bret didn't want to leave WWF. It was Vince who told him to go because he couldn't afford his contract.

  • @brandonperkins176
    @brandonperkins176 3 месяца назад +3

    WCW really trashed Bret Hart's career and it was enough to make him hate the company more.

  • @Riz_
    @Riz_ 3 месяца назад

    Hi Ryan,
    I have never watched any of these Blunder videos before, and I am not sure why as I am subscribed. I really like this format and found it extremely entertaining. I was one of the ones looking out for the blunder points. Poor Brett didn't have the best of it in the late nineties at all. You really feel for him with the stuff that happened with the WWF and WCW. The only problem I have with him is that he really comes across as a whiner. Maybe it's justified but it doesn't help his cause at all.

  • @kiereanm3254
    @kiereanm3254 3 месяца назад +1

    What's really weird about the Hogan v Hart thing is that there's some supposed lost media / mandela effect about it where people claim that there was a photoshoot in the early 90's when they were both in WWF of them playing tug o war with the title belt.

    • @k.b.7718
      @k.b.7718 3 месяца назад

      Even tho I don't remember that exact picture (which might still exist), that beginning of a storyline was definitely true.
      I did own that issue of the WWF magazine (the German version for what's it worth). It was probably in May of 1993, between WMIX and KOTR (the one that Bret won) and I remember an article comparing the strengths and weaknesses of both Bret and Hogan and how a match between them would end, clearly hinting at a future match happening at Summer Slam. Then Hogan apparently dropped out of his commitment and the WWE, dropped the belt to Yoko at KOTR and trashed the WWF in Japan for the next months. Bret was left winning KOTR but that led to nothing for him until he co-won Royal Rumble 1994.

  • @jerrymorganjr
    @jerrymorganjr Месяц назад

    Despite the poor direction they took him, I still enjoyed his matches at wcw when I was a kid. It didn't matter if it were a ppv or not, I was always pumped to see Bret wrestle.

  • @bigbaddawg101
    @bigbaddawg101 3 месяца назад

    A concussion during training was a contributing factor to ending my wrestling career before it even got started. Definitely not something to mess around with when you're in the ring.

  • @geraintthatcher3076
    @geraintthatcher3076 3 месяца назад

    I remember Meltzer saying the original plan a Hogan/Bret feud in Canada for WCW to break into the Canadian Market but Hogan killed it. Its no coincidence that when Hogan wasn't about Bret was on top

  • @brandonpage7087
    @brandonpage7087 3 месяца назад

    I remember reading an interview Sting did with PWI, sometime in '98, & he was like, "I can't get a hold on what Bret Hart is trying to accomplish in WCW", & he then laid out the nonsensical booking of Bret, while staying in character, for the interview. I mean, those PWI interviews are all done in character, but you certainly can't argue with what Sting had to say, in that interview. Bret's WCW career just made zero sense, most of the time. Through no fault of his, of course!

  • @dangxdc8348
    @dangxdc8348 3 месяца назад +1

    Bret Hart should have ref'd both CONTROL OF NITRO and WCW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP match at STARRCADE 97
    First construed as nWo deeming Eric Bischoff victor therefore nWo takes over Monday Nitro TNT
    Bret's referee is extended to cover the championship match; Hogan vs Sting
    Bret calls the match straight; awarding it to Sting via Sting submitting Hogan via Scorpion Deathlock
    Bret Hart culprits the brand split. Bret appears initially appears on both shows.
    Hogan CRIES FOUL that Bret holds a 93 grudge (Hogan put YOKOZUNA over and NOT Bret)
    Bischoff presents Hogan the nWorld Heavyweight Championship to compensate Hogan "losing that piece of tin to WCW"
    On WCW THUNDER TBS; Gene Okerlund and JJ Dillon introduce Sting but before the interview really begins Bret appears once again
    Bret and Sting STAREDOWN with glances to the WCW CHAMPIONSHIP. Sting relinquishes the championship to JJ Dillon stating "I did my part"
    PART??? - Okerlund inquires
    Sting departs with Bret staring on. Grabbing a mic says to Sting "You lose your smile too? Phoney!:"
    Bret referring to HBK losing his smile and forfeiting championship to avoid jobbing to Bret Hart at WRESTLEMANIA 13
    Instead Bret faced Steve Austin and Undertaker vs Sid for WWF CHAMPIONSHIP
    Bret Hart is confronted about turning nWo. Hart reveals that he indeed is nWo; HART ATTACK (pink & black). Recruiting the obvious Bulldog and Anvil as its initial members.
    red & black Sting
    vs
    pink & black HITMAN

  • @dusty_doggg
    @dusty_doggg 3 месяца назад

    His whole run was so confusing for a 10-12 year old watching WCW at the time. He seemed to switch allegiance every week and it was impossible to know as a young wrestling fan whether you were supposed to like this guy or not, especially when the majority of his early run was just shooty promos. I wasn't old enough to see him in WWF, so this was sadly my introduction to a guy I've grown to learn is arguably the best to ever do it.