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Biopics can be good, but I feel like the problem with a lot of them is that the artists portrayed or the estates of the artists are way too involved. Because of this, a lot of stuff is “cleaned up” and skims over the bad stuff.
that's basically the doors. the only reason so many people hate it is because they can't cope with the fact that Jim was an asshole at times, and i'm a big fan of them
@@thebasedgodmax1163 Although that is not, in fact, The Doors film. The band or the estate had nothing to do with the making of. Yes, Jim may have been an asshole at times - who isn't? But that's not what was portrayed; they showed completely fabricated events as factual history which could tarnish the perspective of someone forming their opinion of Jim and The Doors. It was a great film, I enjoyed watching it, but as someone who always prefers the truth over what looks pretty or what sells, I had a hard time watching certain fictional scenes.
Walk The Line shows Johnny cheating, using drugs, being arrested, fighting with his wife etc so feel like they didn't try to cover up anything
My favourite biopic is "Love & Mercy" about Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys,about his life and how he managed to pull off such a masterpiece as Per Sounds
Carlos Padín Martínez I love that the movie doesn’t try to be a history lesson or a “Brian is so talented look at him look at him!!!” type movie. Instead it very clearing focuses on being a film about Schizophrenia, abuse, and overcoming these seemingly impossible challenges while using Brian to show these things.
sameeeee hngg
It’s the best Beach Boys Biopic. If you want to see how NOT to make a Beach Boys biopic, look up the movie Summer Dreams. You can find it on RUclips
That’s my favorite too.
WALK HARD The Dewey Cox Story is thee greatest music biopic of All Time!!! PLAY LOUD
hell yeah
Halfed by a machete for life
@@josemorenorahn The wrong kid died!
ministerofdarkness and you never once paid for drugs... Not once
Actually, it's a parody of the biopic genre.
I’ll always remember my mom sitting me down and forcing me to watch Amadeus when I was a kid. It’s still one of my favorite movies.
I think a Pink Floyd movie could be good. It can be about Syd Barret, The hell of recording The Wall, and many other things. They could adapt it from Nick Mason's book.
Isn't the wall already a pink floyd movie
@@fizzpeakgamer1318 A biopic on the band would be a great film, I think he is saying.
Also, I think the wall is a fantastic film.
The Walls a great movie, but it an adaptation of the album. It tells the same story. I was thinking of a movie that is about the band it's self.
Honestly if they really just focused on Syd it could be a great movie. Maybe not even include any of their big 4 albums. The best Bio pics focus on specific events of an artists career
They should do something about the esrly years starting with Syd Barrett leaving in '68 and climaxing with Ponpeii '71
im still waiting for the Vinyl Geek biopic
Shout out to the great (and underrated) singer-songwriter Marshall Crenshaw who played Buddy Holly in La Bamba.
What about biopic movies on fake bands like
This is Spinal tap.
The rutles all you need is cash.
Walk hard the Dewey Cox Story.
This is spinal tap was a mockumentry not a biopic
Funny, those might be the three best.
rutles and spinal tap are mockumentaries
the wonders in that thing you do!
I wish The Lamb starring Garth Brooks had gotten made.
I was really starting to get into the biopic about the Monkees until a friend explained it was Planet Of The Apes.
Still, sad about Davy.
Amadeus, 8 Mile, Walk the Line, Straight Outta Compton, and Ray are some of the best
Nicholas Borg 8 mile is complete fiction, its not based on Em’s life (but has similarities)
A really good one is Nowhere Boy about John Lennon.
The Dirt was by far the best I have ever seen. It’s got the music, the actors, and all the dirty stuff in between
Really? I'm not a huge Motley Crue fan, but I was looking forward to learning about the band. All I got was 90 minutes of almost non-stop debauchery. The Mick Mars character was pretty good. Otherwise, yawn.
Control on the band Joy Division is a really good music biopic. They even had the actors of the band play their own cover of JD's songs which really gives it the raw feeling. Highly recommend!
The Ian Curtis biopic, "Control" is one of the most honest films I've ever seen about a musician.
SO TRUE
Anton Corbijn's 2007 Joy Division biopic 'Control' is one of the best. I have mixed feelings about 'Sid and Nancy'. The film itself takes too many liberties, and some of the portrayals of supporting characters is terrible. But Gary Oldman as Sid and Cloe Webb as Nancy are brilliant.
I do prefer a well-made documentary, but biopics can be fun. I love to research the bands I love by watching films and reading books, and appreciate the music much more when I am emotionally invested in the artists.
The thing I love about biopics is learning new things about artists. For example, I had no idea Elton John could levitate.
There are always exceptions, but usually for me, the more I know about the band, the more I hate the biopic. When I was a kid I saw "The Buddy Holly Story". Since I knew next to nothing about his life at the time, I really enjoyed the movie. "Bohemian Rhapsody" is the opposite. I love Queen and I have a great documentary about them on BluRay. The biopic drove me nuts because it's so filled with inaccuracies.
Larry Gonzalez couldn't agree more. A big Doors fan, but have never seen the movie for that precise reason.
Totally Agree, Bohemian Rhapsody is a great example of new younger fans getting know the band and their music. However things like Freddie telling the band a week before Live Aid that he has aids just means that new fans of the band will just believe that this was the case and take the timeline based on what they see in the film.... That part really grates with me!
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There was a biopic for The Germs several years back(released around 2004 or 2005), which I thought was pretty good. It also got the original members of the band overseeing it, and after it touring with the actor in the film who plays Darby Crash as the front man/singer four reunion gigs from 2005-2009.
The Bassist Lorna Doom passed away sadly 1/16/19.
You can watch the film here on RUclips if you want it's called 'What We Do Is Secret'
Search: 'The Germs What We Do Is Secret full film/movie'
Also an even better book called 'Lexicon Devil: The fast times and short life of Darby Crash and The Germs' written partly by the drummer & interviewing everyone in the band, and many people that were around before & during the bands & Darby Crash's life
I think love and mercy deserves a mention, it tells a great story and is extremely accurate. The story is very incite full for those who don't know about the beach boys and Brian Wilson and many lines of dialogue are taken directly from interviews and sessions. Definitely give it a watch
I was just about to comment the same thing. I actually have the Pet Sounds sessions box set and I loved hearing little references to them. Like when Brian asks if he could bring a horse into the studio.
Vinyl Geek is such a dandy. Love the set of this show.
My favorite is Selena.
The one I personally thought was the worse is Jimi All Is By My Side.
Watch Patrick H. Willems video on music biopics. He nails it. I really enjoyed Rocketman because it doesn't strictly adhere to the formula.
Nice vid as always 👍👍
Keep up the good work
But rocket Man was good and probably more honest than Bohemian Rhapsody.
The doors still my favorite.
Me my opinion Sche the doors is great
The Dirt is very honest too
People where flying yah sure
Tilda Swinton as David Bowie would be INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!
The best biopics have got to be either "Love & Mercy" about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys or "What's Love Got to Do with It?" about Tina Turner. They're brilliant!!!
There's gonna be a bowie biopic but Tilda won't be playing bowie it's called stardust
There are a ton of awful but weirdly charming low budget Beatles biopics.
I like your videos before I’ve even watched them
I really enjoy biopics when they are done right, like in BR the changing of certain events slightly (such as Freddie finding out about his AIDS before the show) really help the films become more enjoyable.
I also love I'm Not There which touches upon the characters of Dylan rather than his actually life, which is really great because a lot of Dylan was filmed in this time and has several great documentaries (No Direction Home & Rolling Thunder Revue), and it allows for a wider understanding of Dylan as a performer.
It's great how music biopics, because they humanize said artists, can inspire us. I for one was inspired by Nowhere Boy to really start playing the guitar, after that I've never been the same person. Even lately, I was once again inspired by Jersey Boys and Rocket Man to lose my shyness and began learning how to sing as well
Yes, if it's done right. Control(Ian Curtis) was brilliant. The doors too.
I still have my original 45 (in the sleeve) for Los Lobos' single to "La Bamba." I loved that movie at the time and got into Valens and Holly (especially when I rented that flick) as a kid because of them.
I Have So Many Of These Great Music Bio Pic's, Selena,Coal Miner's Daughter,LaBamba,The Jacksons,An American Dream ,The Temptations & The Doors, Those Are Some Of My All Time Favorite Bio Pic's
Control about Ian Curtis is amazing just as a film on its own
After about half an hour. Val Kilmer stopped being the actor I was familiar with and he morphed into Jim Morrison right before my eyes. By the end of the movie, I felt as though I had been a fly on the wall at the Lizard King's coronation. Such a good biopic! A good biopic can be transportive and the effect of that can last a lifetime.
Example and if you haven't read it already, you've got to read Hotel California. It's about the 60's music scene in Hollywood & the Gang getting together at the Troubadour and stuff like that. Truly fascinating!
You should watch Love And Mercy. It's about Brian Wilson's struggles with mental health in the late 80s and where it originated from during the recording of Pet Sounds and the Smile sessions.
Yea, possibly the best biopic I've ever watched in my opinion
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Something I’ve always enjoyed about ANY historical film is when they give context. Today many think of classical music as stuffy and aristocratic by today’s standards when in reality it was the equivalent to many of today’s pop stars. Today women show up to the supermarket in t shirt and blue jeans or even pajamas! My grandmother remembers when a lady would have never dared dress like that in public back in the 50s! She dressed up and out on her pearls and make up. A man , at the least, wore black slacks and a button up shirt. Only teenager boy wore a t shirt and blue jeans assuming that their parents allowed it. A thirty year old man wasn’t caught dead dressing like that in public!
Biopics are what we get when there isn't enough real footage of the evolution of a band. Documentaries with surviving band members, agents, producers, engineers, family members etc. with actual footage is more than likely better overall. Unfortunetly when too much time passes by, (key players pass away) or there is very little documented info on a historical artist we get subpar Biopics due to filling in the blanks. Your right about absorbing all formats like books, documentaries, interviews and Biopics for a better all around presentation on an artist. Remember its entertainment not necessarily reality.
I like biopics I feel like they are a hit or miss... either really good or terrible.
i guess they never miss, HUH
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Control and Walk the Line are my favourites. Biopics are very good occassionally.
True. Another one is 'Love and Mercy'.
24 Hour Party People is great (very British)
I grew up watching the doors, la bamba and Selena, those will always be my favorite biopics. And I’ve seen as many as I can since I’ve started to get into music history, I really enjoyed the dirt, the sapphires, a coal miner’s daughter, and CBGB(even though it’s more fictional and less of a biopic).
To me, one of the best biopics might be Velvet Goldmine by Todd Haynes. Its subject is glam rock and he could have told the story respecting the original timeline and having actors playing Bolan and Bowie and Ferry and Eno but instead he was much more interested in the perspective. So, you have to have musical knowledge and guess who is who and so you focus much more on the spirit of that time and those people, which is great fun. And the ending is quite singular. It's like a comment on the aftermath. In short, that film celebrates the glam rock movement but with distance. If you haven't watch it then do it. It's a fantastic experience!
it was amazing how many people's favorite bands became Motley Crue after the watching The Dirt
In Brazil, Wilson Simonal's biopic was released earlier this month. Simonal was the biggest showman my country has ever seen (imo) and the man's life was as tragic as it can get.
He was practically banned from Brazil's music scenario in the late 60's and early 70's due to the accusation of him being a traitor because of, supposedly, tattling on his musician friends to the Dictatorship that used to rule our country at the time.
The man literally died denying he did so, and the biopic does a wonderful job in exposing his rises and falls.
The Doors movie and Walk The Line are still head and shoulders above the pack for me but, my favorite "biopic" (It's a documentary but, it's that good) is The Future Is Unwritten. If you haven't seen it, you have to make time for it. It starts off from Joe Strummer's childhood and it works it's way to his untimely death at 50. It evolves from his families home movies into his life's ups and downs and Joe's there throughout it all. He tells his story, through his friend and producer Julien Temple, from beyond the grave. So well done. You feel as though you've been in his close circle of friends and miss Joe as one would miss a long time friend. I really came to be a big fan of his through this movie. I really wasn't into him at all when he was alive. Outside of Rock The Casbah, I really didn't even know his music before The Future's Unwritten. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Strummer%3A_The_Future_Is_Unwritten
Foo Fighters' Back and Forth was awesome too ;)
I think Rocketman is one of the best modern biopics-- It's not afraid to talk about the period in Elton's life where he was extremely self destructive, it gives good insight on his life and how he lived it, but it's still a fantasized story-- Too many music biopics about extraordinary people want to play it straight and go for total accuracy, which is why something like Bohemian Rhapsody failed. It couldn't live up to the expectation. Rocketman set out to be a musical about Elton John, but not directly about his life, and they make sure to frame it in a way that everything we see until the final few scenes is retrospective.
after years of debating whether or not I should learn guitar, I rewatched Walk the Line for like the fifth time and the next day I borrowed a guitar and learned the first few chords so I could play all of the early Johnny Cash stuff
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Biopic's can be good but the problem is that studios interfere
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I love Control (2007) the Joy Division biopic, it's just perfect
The Doors is not just one of my favourite Biopics, it is also one of my favourite movies of all time (Even if the way they portrayed Jim Morrison in the film was a tad bit off from how he was in real life)
Looking forward to the upcoming Elvis Presley one .
Loved The Doors movie back in the day, and also La Bamba. Liked The Dirt. Enjoyed Bohemian Rhapsody, I don't know a lot about Queen so the inaccuracies didn't bother me. I think if anything, biopics help connect people on the music of older artists that they otherwise wouldn't have listened to.
Sex & drugs & rock & roll the Ian Dury biopic is well worth a watch,
A great performance by Andy Serkis in the eponymous roll
It takes a few liberties but there is plenty warts and all to show in Ians complex life.
I liked bohemian rhapsody a lot and I'm planning on going to see blinded by the light. Also geek even though it's not a bio pick what did you think of Yesterday?
The problem with biopics is they all follow a formula, a cliché formula. I can't find them enjoyable because of this, especially after watching Walk Hard. Walk Hard will ruin these. Walk Hard follows this formula to the extreme. It's an amazing movie, but if you like biopics I don't really recommend it.
Thanks for the video. I think there's a smaller, but just as interesting category of music biopics you haven't touched on. The ones that abandon any pretext of history in favor of doing something more artistic. Films like I'm Not There or Lisztomania.
Have you seen love and mercy? The Brian Wilson/beach boys biopic....one of my favorites!
I once thought the disembowelment dealt by Walk Hard would've mercifully ended the genre for good, yet here we are over a decade later
Clint Eastwood's The Bird is great one. I wouldn't say it's my fav because Amadeus is but it's really worth the watch if you're into jazz and Charlie Parker
Bohemian Rhapsody completely killed the song for me. As a younger person I first heard the song around 2016 when Suicide Squad came out. I liked it the first few times I heard it but by the end of the year I really needed a long break. Then of course the film was released and the song became popular again. The overexposure of that song has singlehandedly killed Queen for me. Every time I hear about them I groan internally which is a shame because I think I would’ve liked them.
It’s great to give older artists exposure to the younger generations but it’s important not to overdo it, especially with a single song. If an artist’s work made a resurgence within the past half a decade (usually something like the artist dying) then it’s probably best to wait awhile to expose the next generation of young people to it rather than overdo it with the current one.
Just listen to their first few albums and you'll love them again
Albums:
Queen (1973)
Queen II
Sheer Heart Attack
A Night At The Opera (it has bohemian rhapsody but you can skip it)
A Day At The Races
News Of The World
Listen to sheer heart attack all the way through. Brighton Rock will get you into Queen
@Peter Nadreau man your first queen song that got you into the band was don't try suicide...
Freakin awesome.
CONTROL is definitely one of the best biopics ... It’s full of heart and has a beautiful cinematography without seeming pretentious. Yes, there may be some „bending“ of a few facts as well, but come on - who expects every detail in such films to be all faithful to history?
Amadeus(1984) is one of the greatest movies of all time so much better than so many other modern biopics also Love and Nercy(2014) is also amazing but so underrated
Favourite music biopic, CONTROL, a movie about joy division and Ian curtis
Nice video and I couldn't agree more on this Topic 🙂 I think that The Doors (1991) is still the most influential movie as far as direction of my life goes - without it I probably wouldn't like everything connected with the Doors as I do now (and the same goes for Johnny Cash and Walk the Line (2005) 😉
I think biopics are all right as long as they are honest with what they're trying to do. The Doors, for example, is complete nonsense in terms of historical accuracy,
but it captures the essence of how the public views and remembers the band. And the film never pretends to be anything but an artistic interpretation of
the events, so one has to see it through Oliver Stone's eyes. It's his vision, and it has as much to do with the band as a photograph of the band would have.
But then we have complete garbage like Bohemian Rhapsody, which claims to tell the "real" story but mixes facts up and changes way too much,
not to mention that it's not brave enough to portray Freddie Mercury as gay as he truly was. It's a PG film, and no true Queen biopic could ever be less than R-rated.
So yeah, as long as the audience is aware of what they're watching, then I'm fine with it. But if the film has established fantasy as truth, then it's done everyone a disservice.
Heck, I love biopics. In fact, I even like that Thing You Do. And a great one at CBGB.
Can you guys add some good biopics to this list?
The dirt - Motley Crue
Get on up - James Brown
Soul of America - Charles Bradley
Get rich or try dying - 50 cent
Straight outta Compton -NWA
Miles Ahead - Miles Davis
I think get rich or die tryin' isn't a biopic
I’m watching this show on Netflix called 45 RPM-
It’s about the music industry in 1960’s Spain
They do covers of modern American songs like The Killers
Biopics, as flawed as they might be, still reach an audience that could've had a stricter upbringing and/or just didn't listen to the artist/band, then they see this movie and suddenly they're looking up not just more information on the stars of the biopic, but similar artists of the genre. You hit the nail on the head: they light the spark for people to deepdive into more music and information.
Everyone always mentions Dewey Cox but no one talks about The Rocker
Biopic of Brian Jones in Stoned. Horrible, but yet created enough buzz that he was pushed into the forefront for a while. Glimmers know what happened to him.
For me, it all depends on how much effort the producers put into the biopic. For example, La Bamba and Walk The Line may have some inaccuracy, but the film has been supervised by their relatives. Besides that, Ray, The Buddy Holly Story, and Coal Miner's Daughter are also good in my opinion.
Hi. Some are good, some are bad.
Bohemian Rhapsody,The Doors, The Buddy Holly Story (Gary Busey) and The Man In Black are some good ones.
Ray is an excellent one.
Rocketman, in my opinion is not that good.
I read a lot of music biograhies and when I am watching a biopic I don't mind if there is something incorrect in the timeline. More important to me is if the "hero" is playd in a way that convinces me and forget the real person for the duration of the movie.
Pe Ke Bohemian Rhapsody was boring. They changed the history (which usually I'm fine with), but only to fit it into a boring stereotypical formulaic version of the story
Good topic
I would love to watch a 3 or 4 season series biopic about the Beatles based on Mark Lewisohn's 3 part biography (of which on 1 book has been released yet :) )
RAY, La Bamba, Amadaeus, and 'The Dirt' are my faves.
There are some great biopics out there. As long as is done with respect to the source material then I don't mind them.
I’m still surprised that there isn’t a Beatles one
OP 878 there are a few but mostly not too good. There's one about once when John and Paul met up at John's place that's not too bad.
jmad627 yeah but I think there should be one to be as popular as bohemian rhapsody
Beautifully said and explained. Biopics are good and bad. Also, I will be biased because my voice was included in the Live Aid scene of Bohemian Rhapsody, The Runaways was also a great biopic.
Love and Mercy is a really good biopic
Syfoll wow 1000%
Was the biopic with André 3000 as Jimi Hendrix any good?
Marceli Tucker-Szudra nah. They couldn’t even use jimi’s music.
Marceli Tucker-Szudra i mean watch it anyways, but don’t expect something too good
Paco Elizalde so they used covers instead?
Marceli Tucker-Szudra they made him out way too over dramatic. Abusive and ridiculous. Andre did great but the script and depiction was ridiculous.
prkrsmth eh I think I might give that a skip
Bay City Rollers Vinyl please. I hope there is a story Biopicfilm of Bay City Rollers.
Ray is the best I have seen. The portrayal by Jamie Foxx was absolutely incredible. I didn't really like Walk the Line, mostly because I couldn't get past Joaquin Phoenix. He just didn't convince me on being Cash, but I've also never really been a fan of his (Phoenix), so I may be biased. I've seen the Temptations biopic more times than I should have. Not near the same quality of those two films, but for some reason really enjoyed it. Same with La Bamba. I thought the Selena movie was awful.
Bay city rollers please
If you take a biopic for what it basically is a Hollywood movie they can be enjoyed and if they bring ppl to the artists and there music they can’t be all bad in my opinion
Can you do a rubber souls episode
I've never found biopics to be compelling -- esp of mass media-era celebrities. It always jest seems like play-acting to see some of these real-life moments translated to screen. Now a good work-around is a movie like 'Almost Famous' which puts you in a time and place but employs composite characters to deliver some of the themes and anecdotes. Man, think of how crummy that terrific film would have been if you'd had an actor in a Robert Plant wig trying to do an impression of him the whole time.
I’m all for them I love them but I don’t want them to become oversaturated there should be one with a 2-3 gap period to not cause any fatigue. Personally I don’t have an issue with historical inaccuracy as long as it not too inaccurate towards the artists themselves the important thing is to honour the Artists life and work 👌
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Rocketman is my favourite
Still waiting for my Pink Floyd or Syd Barrett biopic
But the The wall movie?
@@fizzpeakgamer1318 its not really a biopic though. GREAT film and I'm glad it exists. It's more of Roger Waters going crazy with ideas
I hope every band gets one they're hilarious
I guess it depends on the film. Like I know "Bohemian Rhapsody" wasn't 100% historically accurate, but I still enjoyed it. Also, this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I didn't like the Oliver Stone Doors movie. It portrayed Jim Morrison as that annoying stoner kid at college who thought he was so deep when he was on acid, and it made John Densmore look like an idiot. Although that could be just the way Kevin Dillon naturally looks. That "Duh, which way did that go, George" look.
My favorite biopic is Straight Outta Compton
The thing with Bohemian Rhapsody is that everyone slams it for being inaccurate, but 80% of the inaccuracies are just timeline problems. Whether it be the year a song came out or when Freddie got AIDS, or how fast or slow something happened. But the important thing is that they happened. For example, the most common complaint is the belief that Queen didn't split up before Live Aid. Yes, they didn't before the concert, but they did unofficially break up a couple years prior. It was just switched with The Works album for storytelling purposes. Also, a lot of supposed inaccuracies or plot problems need context. When Freddie decided to go solo, it angered the band despite the fact that both Roger and Brian had made solo albums. The thing with those albums, however, is the fact that the rest of the band were featured on Roger's album and Brian's was just a collab EP. Freddie was the one who signed with an entirely different label, moved to Germany to record it, and left the band behind in the process. The lead singer in a famous band going solo is always the most alarming thing for a band. It happened with Michael Jackson from the The Jacksons, Lionel Ritchie from The Commodores, and Ozzy Osborne from Black Sabbath. Think about that with Freddie Mercury, arguably the greatest frontman in history going solo. They were just lucky his album was weak enough to slip under the radar. They had a reason to be upset.
The band never broke up even unoffcialy
fizzpeakgamer 13 Between Hot Space and The Works, they had unofficially broken up over tensions, during which they took time to work on solo projects.
@@TheBlackQueen no they never broke up even when doing solo projects
fizzpeakgamer 13 Not officially, but they took time off. They were still in contract, but they weren't working together for a whole year, part due to solo projects, and part due to the lack of success with Hot Space. There were tensions that got between them and it was portrayed more as a hiatus than a solid breakup, hence Freddie's line "Give her a kiss one day, she might wake up".