This is such a moving series. Martine is a great story teller - super articulate. I can’t imagine what she and Stuart went though. Thanks for sharing vulnerably.
I live in Asia and in the 90's I occasionally heard some members implying the Catholic church was the great and abmonible church described by Nephi in the Book of Mormon. But about 6 years ago, when a temple was completed in Rome and the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve went there to meet with Bope Francis, shaking hands and having a pleasant conversation with him, I don't know how these members would reconcile their earlier conception with the friendship between the "great and abmonible church" and "the God's only true church on the face of the earth".
A comment on shutting down wards: in Europe, you usually would only have a ward or branch per city. This means that merging wards or shutting down wards means members have to travel to another city. We are not talking about merging wards within the same city.
Been to Belgium to visit some missionaries there. An Italian who dedicated his life unto the Lord for missions and an American wife her married. Really intrigued about this podcast. Been following MSP and I'm mainly hear the testimonies and understand the sufferings of people in different religions.
yes, i'm here for interviews with average mormon people... although my favorite interview so far has been with Auz Engemann because i relate to his struggle of being lost and confused in life into your late 20's+ and still not finding yourself. actually, most of the people that John interviews are very self aware, and i'd love to see interviews with people who are still in the process of getting to know themselves. i use these interviews to reflect. i'm a never morman, but the essence was the same in my childhood.
My mother was Belgian and worked with her sister at the Brussels World's Fair in 1958. She adored meeting Harry Belafonte, and came to the United States in 1959.
My dearest friends in Washington were a wonderful couple. She was my French teacher and he an economist at the world bank. Both have passed on and I miss them so much. Nuanced Catholics both pf them.
Just finished both episodes.❤ I feel a strange connection with you for several reasons, one of which is my birthdate ~ 1/13/79. I’m so sorry for the pain & trauma you’ve gone through. Sending love 💕
There's a general movement in Europe as a whole away from religion, especially here in Ireland where religion has done more damage than just about anywhere else. Its always interesting to see Mormons who are not from the US. Granted I don't speak Dutch or Flemish but when I was in Belgium last year, Flemish seemed very close to Dutch and I wonder if it would be easier for the Flemish speakers to attend services in the Netherlands, given the close proximity and obviously EU citizens have free travel
Yes, Flemish and Dutch as well as other languages and dialects are all Germanic variants. Most Europeans speak many languages fluently, so it would not be unusual for Flemish speakers to speak Dutch and vice versa. I have had the experience of being in a business lounge at Amsterdam airpot, with people alone or in small groups,speaking one language with each other, speaking another on their cell phones and carrying around newspapers in yet other languages. So being multilingual is very much the norm.??
@@Geoplanetjane The most interesting thing to me in Schipol was that English was just the default. But it makes sense with such a huge international hub I guess. A lot of Europeans do speak multiple languages, even where they're not from countries like Switzerland with multiple official languages. Foreign languages are mandatory in school
The official language in Northern Belgium is Dutch ("Nederlands" in Dutch). There are certainly Flemish, Brabantian and Limburgish dialects spoken there informally, but the written language is Dutch, as well as the language spoken in formal occasions. (Even in the Netherlands there are regional dialects and languages.) "Flemish" is often referred to as the language of Northern Belgium, but this is more of an umbrella term to cover the Belgian regional varieties of Dutch. (It's like saying that the language of the U.S. is "American" instead of English...)
@@hildabingen8100 Thank you for that, I was mostly in Bruge doing the cliche tourist thing and could at least recognise that the language on signs etc looked Dutch. I just have no idea how to speak it
I really miss the old Ogden Temple! My grandfather used to work at Farrs Ice cream across the street after WWII. This temple building and restoration spree is deflating. Erase the past …
Thank you for your question. it might be easier to list the books we’ve not studied. Still studying still buying scholarly books. Mormonism continues to fascinate me.
@@bonmamartine5178 me, too. In the past 18 months of awareness I’ve bought and read 18 books about history and Mormon doctrine. I see a therapist 2x a month to help. Press on dear, sister. 🥰
When I was a 12 year old Beehive a woman in my ward who was from Belgium taught us how to make crepes. I have been trying to find the perfect crepe since then. Most are eggy and don’t melt in your mouth. Martine; if you have any pointers for me please let me know! 🙏
Boy ZCMI! I used to love to visit SLC as a child. Now I find it boring and it looks like a communist capitol complete with bureaucratic headquarters and conference hall
Yes, the Catholic Church has done terrible things in Ireland, especially to women and innocent children. That said, the history of Christianity in Ireland goes back to the earliest era of Christianity in Europe, thanks to the work and devotion of Christian monks. That said, the Catholic Church is strong in France. Monasteries and abbeys are thriving.
Sure but the damage done to women and girls, the Magdalene laundries, the 12 year old rape victim taken into care to stop her parents taking her to have an abortion, all of that is far more recent like living memory. Compared to the fact that Irish monks really did preserve so much of the knowledge of Greece and Rome alongside Arab scholars
I wouldn't say religions in general are thriving anywhere in Europe, at least if compared to the US. In the US, especially in the south and in the midwest, almost everyone goes to church, and those who do go every Sunday. In Europe we take religion less seriously, we are way less strict with rules, we don't take it literally like Americans... And most people are "Christmas and Easter Christians"
Waitress give a piece of candy to sweeten u up so u give them a tip after they gave you an outrageous bill. They dont want u to leave with a bitter taste in your mouth. If u leave with a sweet taste no matter how awful the meal your more likely to come back.- once a waitress always a waitress
I had a problem with accepting a position in the bishopric and not believing what you were supporting. I'm no longer a member BTW. It just seems dishonest somehow.
The opening alone is deeply moving.
Thank you. Who is your singer friend?
@BonMa Martine a Canadian Opera singer, who studied in Liège with Pierre Fleta, and sang at the Opera de Wallonie.
Big fan of Martine and Stuart! So eloquent and powerful!
This is such a moving series. Martine is a great story teller - super articulate. I can’t imagine what she and Stuart went though. Thanks for sharing vulnerably.
I live in Asia and in the 90's I occasionally heard some members implying the Catholic church was the great and abmonible church described by Nephi in the Book of Mormon. But about 6 years ago, when a temple was completed in Rome and the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve went there to meet with Bope Francis, shaking hands and having a pleasant conversation with him, I don't know how these members would reconcile their earlier conception with the friendship between the "great and abmonible church" and "the God's only true church on the face of the earth".
As a descendant of French Huguenots I will never think kindly of the Catholic Church
A comment on shutting down wards: in Europe, you usually would only have a ward or branch per city. This means that merging wards or shutting down wards means members have to travel to another city. We are not talking about merging wards within the same city.
Been to Belgium to visit some missionaries there. An Italian who dedicated his life unto the Lord for missions and an American wife her married. Really intrigued about this podcast. Been following MSP and I'm mainly hear the testimonies and understand the sufferings of people in different religions.
yes, i'm here for interviews with average mormon people... although my favorite interview so far has been with Auz Engemann because i relate to his struggle of being lost and confused in life into your late 20's+ and still not finding yourself. actually, most of the people that John interviews are very self aware, and i'd love to see interviews with people who are still in the process of getting to know themselves. i use these interviews to reflect. i'm a never morman, but the essence was the same in my childhood.
Love Martine and Stuart! Seriously such amazing people ❤️
Very interesting podcast, that puts my memory back to 1958 working at the Brussels World Fair.
Wow! That’s a life time ago. My grandfather took my sister and me.
My mother was Belgian and worked with her sister at the Brussels World's Fair in 1958. She adored meeting Harry Belafonte, and came to the United States in 1959.
My dearest friends in Washington were a wonderful couple. She was my French teacher and he an economist at the world bank. Both have passed on and I miss them so much. Nuanced Catholics both pf them.
Cool story about the house. I have a singer friend from the Liège area. He took me to a place where there was a 2000 yr old gateway.
Just finished both episodes.❤ I feel a strange connection with you for several reasons, one of which is my birthdate ~ 1/13/79. I’m so sorry for the pain & trauma you’ve gone through. Sending love 💕
There's a general movement in Europe as a whole away from religion, especially here in Ireland where religion has done more damage than just about anywhere else. Its always interesting to see Mormons who are not from the US. Granted I don't speak Dutch or Flemish but when I was in Belgium last year, Flemish seemed very close to Dutch and I wonder if it would be easier for the Flemish speakers to attend services in the Netherlands, given the close proximity and obviously EU citizens have free travel
Yes, Flemish and Dutch as well as other languages and dialects are all Germanic variants. Most Europeans speak many languages fluently, so it would not be unusual for Flemish speakers to speak Dutch and vice versa. I have had the experience of being in a business lounge at Amsterdam airpot, with people alone or in small groups,speaking one language with each other, speaking another on their cell phones and carrying around newspapers in yet other languages. So being multilingual is very much the norm.??
@@Geoplanetjane The most interesting thing to me in Schipol was that English was just the default. But it makes sense with such a huge international hub I guess. A lot of Europeans do speak multiple languages, even where they're not from countries like Switzerland with multiple official languages. Foreign languages are mandatory in school
The official language in Northern Belgium is Dutch ("Nederlands" in Dutch). There are certainly Flemish, Brabantian and Limburgish dialects spoken there informally, but the written language is Dutch, as well as the language spoken in formal occasions. (Even in the Netherlands there are regional dialects and languages.) "Flemish" is often referred to as the language of Northern Belgium, but this is more of an umbrella term to cover the Belgian regional varieties of Dutch. (It's like saying that the language of the U.S. is "American" instead of English...)
@@hildabingen8100 Thank you for that, I was mostly in Bruge doing the cliche tourist thing and could at least recognise that the language on signs etc looked Dutch. I just have no idea how to speak it
@@hildabingen8100 I came to say that Flemish and Dutch are pretty much the same language with some regional variants
I really miss the old Ogden Temple! My grandfather used to work at Farrs Ice cream across the street after WWII. This temple building and restoration spree is deflating. Erase the past …
Curious as to what books you two have studied concerning the Church history? P.S. My brother fulfilled his mission in Belgium 1975-77.😮
Thank you for your question. it might be easier to list the books we’ve not studied. Still studying still buying scholarly books. Mormonism continues to fascinate me.
@@bonmamartine5178 me, too. In the past 18 months of awareness I’ve bought and read 18 books about history and Mormon doctrine. I see a therapist 2x a month to help. Press on dear, sister. 🥰
When I was a 12 year old Beehive a woman in my ward who was from Belgium taught us how to make crepes. I have been trying to find the perfect crepe since then. Most are eggy and don’t melt in your mouth. Martine; if you have any pointers for me please let me know! 🙏
Boy ZCMI! I used to love to visit SLC as a child. Now I find it boring and it looks like a communist capitol complete with bureaucratic headquarters and conference hall
Browning is well known in Utah; especially Ogden Canyon
🎶Bongo, bongo,bongo I don’t want to leave the Congo, no,no,no,no,no,no.🎶
This guy seems so confused, stressed and depressed. He feels guilty to be in this podcast. That's what Mormon church does to all these people 😅
Yes, the Catholic Church has done terrible things in Ireland, especially to women and innocent children. That said, the history of Christianity in Ireland goes back to the earliest era of Christianity in Europe, thanks to the work and devotion of Christian monks. That said, the Catholic Church is strong in France. Monasteries and abbeys are thriving.
Sure but the damage done to women and girls, the Magdalene laundries, the 12 year old rape victim taken into care to stop her parents taking her to have an abortion, all of that is far more recent like living memory. Compared to the fact that Irish monks really did preserve so much of the knowledge of Greece and Rome alongside Arab scholars
I wouldn't say religions in general are thriving anywhere in Europe, at least if compared to the US. In the US, especially in the south and in the midwest, almost everyone goes to church, and those who do go every Sunday. In Europe we take religion less seriously, we are way less strict with rules, we don't take it literally like Americans... And most people are "Christmas and Easter Christians"
Waitress give a piece of candy to sweeten u up so u give them a tip after they gave you an outrageous bill. They dont want u to leave with a bitter taste in your mouth. If u leave with a sweet taste no matter how awful the meal your more likely to come back.-
once a waitress always a waitress
I had a problem with accepting a position in the bishopric and not believing what you were supporting. I'm no longer a member BTW. It just seems dishonest somehow.