Lol. I was about to switch it off when you put the ball under TJ's foot! Rotating the midline past the lead kneecap has never occurred to me. Old-timers used to call this hitting against a firm lead side. You fellas are opening my eyes.
For a hip sliding, early extender like me, this is pure gold! It clears up so much gunk both mentally and movement-wise! Planting the lead heel closer to the target and internally rotating the lead femur buys me sooooo much time in transition and allows me to rotate my rib cage much better. Thank you!
Love the Elite Golf content. I know this is an older video, but just watched it. Combing this with content with other of your videos I’ve come up with a map of my golf swing based on your principles. Let me know if I’ve missed interpreted these concepts. I know the swing is dynamic, but here are the tidbits I’m using as check points as I buildup my swing this winter: 1. Address - rounded upper a lower back, weight more on the toes. 2. First move on back swing- active move of the chest causing rib sway/ lateral move away from the target. Both the back of the lead shoulder and back of the trail shoulder are unloaded. 3. Spiral the club up. First part of this a active movement with the spiral. The rest of the club moving to the top is momentum as the body is moving into transition (next step). One new sensation for me is at the top of the backswing is experiencing a pull on the outside of the lead foot, which pulls the heal slight towards the target. 4. Transition - lead heel replants with the lead heal slightly closer to the target. This provides a good landing base to support the pelvis bend (active movement of the pelvis away from the ball and slightly towards the target). Lead femor stays internally rotated during the replant. 4. Downswing - begins with rib sway towards the target ( active movement). This loads the back of the lead shoulder and front of the trail shoulder. 5. Through the hit and into the first part of the follow through - active chest rotation, pulling the loaded shoulders through impact and unloading into the finish. Through the hit, the heal of the trail foot rotates away for the target and trail knee does not pass the midline of the body (both passive movements). Thanks again.
Great stuff! The point about not trying to externally rotate lead knee and instead letting it be a product of upper spine is monumental. So many golf coaches teaching active lead knee external rotation to start downswing without getting pressure forward
Hey guys just watching video and near the end you had said the kissing knee thing is no good, so i was wondering most coach tell you to have knees together, hips pushed forward and chest to the sky on follow through. Is this also something i should not try to do? Thanks for another detailed video. Amazing work and much appreciated!!! Cheers 👍
I’m a member with Milo and he told me I needed more left bend, so I followed your tip to do it early and it was immediate success. Excellent forward low point with irons and hit my drives 25-30 yards longer and straight. Golf heaven, for sure. But my 63 year old low back noticed and I started getting numbness in my right foot. I’ll see if using my hip/leg fascial lines (applying this video) will take my swing stress elsewhere. Hopefully this helps. Crazy to play so well and then realize I may have to go back to an old man swing. But at least I know your system works! Keep up the great work!
Truly - there is a way to execute the moves that is low stress on your body. You’ll have to play with your own personal recipe 🙏 thank you for the comment
I think dual hip flexion is the solution! Wow, I didn’t realize I was extending. I’ll do an online swing evaluation in a few weeks to get your input. It looks like Milo and Hovland keep the trail foot down/flat almost to impact and then spin it around. Is this a common feature of dual hip flexion? Thanks again.
Unfortunately, failing to do dual flexion wasn’t the problem. Doing left side bend early in the backswing can simultaneously increase spinal extension so by p4 I was in a classic reverse spine angle position without realize it. I hit the ball great but I was an injury waiting to happen with the reverse or exaggerated spinal extension hidden behind the scene. TPI says reverse spinal angle is bad for anyone so I guess I got injured not just because I’m an older golfer. Not blaming your instruction. I should have known better. But telling a player to left side bend early in the backswing, even with only the thoracic spine, can possibly lead to or promote a reverse spine angle without realizing it. I’m on the mend though and should be better soon.
So needed to see this. Have been afraid of getting forward on the lead foot (cue fear of hip slide) but seeing how planting feet + spiral work together at p5 to get the sacrum back… mind blown! Already seeing changes in my swing today. Thanks guys!
Very clear presentation of your system! I tend to believe that David Weck has the more complete picture of athletic movement than GOATA which allows for use of entire foot they agree on locomotion but disagree on a good many things. Victor Hoveland as you mentioned displays the heal spinning away and that pattern produces really solid strikes but he pulls every shot while most great players let the trail heal rise but I don’t see many spin it away because most of the greats didn’t hit pulls. Interestingly both Schedfler and Hoveland hit pull fades from opposite patterns.
I came accross this method a year ago on a foreign youtube channel and implemented it to my swing. I started flashing my irons within a few days. Then, after a few months absence from golf( winter),I went back to my old ways and could not hit a descent iron if somebody offered me a million bucks. Now after watching you explained your method, I feel confident that I will be flashing my irons very soon!! everything you explained makes perfect sense. thanks
Lots of great information especially the natural movements of the body…are these concepts a little too complex for a beginner to work with or can this be implemented right away to create the right map from the get-go?
Man you guys are killing it with these videos. Thank you so much for the in-depth advice. And I love the pins and aces Colorado shirts! I’ve got that one as well. What’s the connection to Colorado ? Thanks guys!
Great stuff! Might be really cool if you did another video or added in some swings w/ scheffler and hovland (and others) to show the differences side by side
This is exactly what I needed! Because of all the teachings I've incorporated in the past I "bank" all the time. This system chain naturally fixes so many of my other issues but the key takeaway is that none of this is driven by the legs but rather the chest and hip systems, correct?
thank you you for this incredible video! 2 years into being addicted to golf and have been trying different concepts to improve my game. watched this video one night and took some concepts out on the course and hit some of the flushest shots I've ever hit! now I'm rewatching to better understand all the finer details. I've been a big "groundforce guy", should one of the big takeaways be that all of my feels should be more core/spine/pelvis focused? instead of focusing on my feet pressure. e.g. from P4 to P5, a swing thought is "pull the rib cage" down and around and up instead of anything lower body?
Riley and TJ! Are you booking lessons in Arizona from May 7th through May 11th? I’ll be in town and I definitely wanna schedule in person lesson!! Please let me know ty.
Great video guys. I absolutely love that right heel move/feel and the the lead femur rotating in is brilliant where it’s a game changer for early extension prevention. However I’m struggling getting a little lower right lumbar pain and I think it has something to do with my shoulders being out of sync with my lower body rotation
Start with one video, and slowly digest and implement the exercises. Then move to the next video after a few weeks. Great baseline videos to watch: “Global Golf Swing Principles,” “Load the Spiral Line” and “Unload the Spiral Line”
Wow, I'm just catching up with you guys on this Goata Motion. Claude Harmon Sr. gave my pro this action back in the late sixties when he was his assistant at Oak Hill. I have been on this for the last five years. Good Stuff.
@@elitegolfschools I just this morning set up a pair of Weck Blocks on some lie boards to see how that would feel. Crazy Good. The high inside ankle bones with a slippery surface beneath you forces you to draw inward and up as the force wants to escape out to the side. I have the video if there is a way to send it to you?
Off the charts again, busting all the damaging myths of bad drills. I’d love a video on gradually adjusting your pattern as you get older. I used to be able to get away with more rotation but now I can’t and occasionally feel like the body stalls and the hands flash past…
thanks for your video, i will book the online lesson, i want to make sure when ds the left mean drop, is it feel drop the hip to the target or drop to left back side？
Thanks for great videos - Question: trail foot pressure is on the inside heel on the back swing. What is the movement to shift weight from inside rear foot heel to balls of the same foot, where the pressure is more on the outside pinky toe area? I always had difficulties banking the ankle deal.
I have never used force plates while teaching but would your movement pattern produce a lighter reading on them as there is no pushing off the ground? Or would the numbers look similar? 🤔
Internally rotating lead knee as belt buckle pints ahead of lead knee at same time as trail heel spins away from target and you move into the delivery position is huge power source hereto unexplored by me.Awesome.
Might want to explain this by explaining what “ closed chain” motion is. Describing what occurs in terms of entire lower extremity joint movement. Good video
Loving this Channel!! Might I suggest a clarification with background as a physical therapist. Your explanation about the front leg internal rotation is technically correct, but logically a little confusing. When deciding whether something is internally rotating or externally rotation, we are talking about a joint, not a bone. So, we are looking at the joint of the femur into the pelvis. We need to compare the femur motion to the pelvis motion. The point i think is that looking at the femur in space, it looks to be externally rotating. However, the pelvis is turning the same direction in space and MORE than the femur is. So, the net motion at the pelvic femoral joint is internal rotation.
Great video! Makes a lot of sense by following a more natural body movement. But am trying to wrap my head around your system and customizing a swing based on the swing catalyst system which may take into account the player’s lead/rear foot dominance. Does this system promote a singular pattern of feet pressure in the swing while foregoing feet shearing force? Hope that makes sense. Appreciate your feedback.
We just see pressure shift in the feet as not the best marker. If you understand ribs and pelvis matchups, then the pressure shift tends to take care of itself. Nothing wrong with using the data, though
Another great video. Big fans of you guys and of Milo. Question: I like to think of where I CAN be active in the swing (i.e. where I can tell my brain to apply force/effort). In your system where do you send that signal? Is it actively moving in a way that stretches the spiral line in both directions (back and then through the ball), symmetrically, and the rest of the body is passive? What’s the best way to think of that? I now know not to actively push off of the trail or lead foot, but to let them respond. Hope that makes sense. Thanks! PS I’m a definite “jump off the ground” victim and I will now be stopping that!
Active spiral line stretch early in the backswing, chillll in transition, active spiral line stretch through the strike (relatively mirror images). Hope this helps 🙏
Rolling ankles- Nicklaus method, however he reset his front foot as you demonstrated and had a backward motion often thru ball with driver and long irons. Interesting… Lots of hip issues???
Watching many Pros hit their irons as best that I can tell the right heal seems to move just after the ball is hit and as part of stroke completion. Please comment. Great site!
As an orthopedic surgeon, it is easier to think of the pelvis rotating more externally through contact than is the femur. This results in the left hip is rotating internally in the hip socket.
Yep, and we can definitely talk feels (which are personal to the player) compared to studies that define healthy, reliable movement. Definitely never wanting to argue anyone’s personal feels AND people are more than welcome to move any way they would like to. That’s the beauty of learning within various systems 🙏❤️
Excellent content and explanation. I’m struggling to integrate a honey hole ‘feel’ with some of these new thoughts. Does it make sense to focus more of trail knee & upper leg, then down into trail foot if honey hole is my transition feel?
Hilarious that as a complete beginner I used to have similar foot leg patterns. But after countless lessons and instructions elsewhere, I’m the prime example now of the unhealthy pattern and bad maps 😂
No matter how hard i try to do this my left hip slides towards target. And from down the line, if you drew a line on my head it moves away from the ball. But if you drew line on my butt it appears that the hips work properly where i keep the left hip on the wall. Yet at impact, impact position screams early extension. Ive tried everything cant achieve the proper feels and positions as this.
Your suggesting that a golfer should be in hip flexion at and past impact? In this video at about 18 minutes, TJ is shown going through impact (in slow motion, without a ball, and exaggerated) and it appears that at and just past impact his head is closer to the target than another part of his body, except his lead foot. This is a bit mind blowing for me! So many instructor and systems suggest your hips thrust toward the target with impact. Am I understanding your teaching correctly? I tried it and was pleased with my results. However, I would like you know from you if I'm understanding your teaching correctly. Thanks!
Does your right leg flex (right handed golfer) remain consistent from address to the top of the back swing or does it slight reduce it's flex as compared to the address position? Thanks for your help.
Y’all talk a lot about GOATA movement, when you are in your stance (at address position) before your shot do you instruct your students to be inside ankle bone high? Basically do you recommend your players start out at address position with their Love all your videos by the way. They’re the best RUclips instruction I’ve been able to find and apply directly to my game with positive results. Honesty better than some in person instruction I’ve received. Can’t wait to see what y’all put out next!
GOATA is great for general movement principles in every day life. In general, better to pressure more outside edge (IABH) rather than inside edge. However anything can be overdone 👍🏼
I've drawn Hogan's seqence countless times so my eye has it's bias.( I don't find any modern swings aesthetically appealing.) Sadly, your representings as to the ground, foot, leg matrix to my eye appear cartoonish, pretzely and ungainly. I suppose my arse is sucking wind( golf DOES bring out the whack job in the soul). Elsewise I'm astonished at the level of efficacy of your presentation. I deeply appreciate your efforts. I am grateful esp that you speak UP to the viewer. Nice. So...GODDABLESS MIS AMIGOS!
@@elitegolfschools def meant no offense or anything but example like supinate pronate to just take a second and show which direction that means. You may have and maybe I missed it. But either way that’s for all the guidance!!
@@jzpat we definitely try to show but sometimes skip into the meat and potatoes of the session. The Google machine is a great place to quickly check terms 🙏🙏
I think one of my favorite part of your videos is no offense to TJ but he doesn't seem like an athletic freak who is able to do things just because of some god given talent(which im sure he has plenty)! Certain youtube golf coaches show themselves doing what they think is right without realizing they are gifted and 95% of normal golfers who were never to a 3 handicap or better will ever have a chance to do and they end up chasing the dragon because of a few outliers that teacher tends to show to quantitate his desired preferences... anyways long rant good job guys keep it up
I just saw a video where a coach was saying to turn the right foot (right-hander) to a 3-clock position on the downswing. Which is so difficult for me to do, you explain the opposite, which is what I do, but you explain how to do it correctly. What do you think about the 3 o'clock motion on the downswing.?.
I must say it in German: das beste vom besten, diese blöden Bewegungen, O Beinig hochspringen usw,die alle gezeigt werden, totaler Blödsinn. Bravo, Bravo
While I understand and appreciate what you're doing here, it's TMI for most students I'd imagine. With the correct instructions communicated, I'd assume most of this would happen naturally 🤷♂️
Wanna learn how to spin out the body and slice the rest of your life? Watch this video 😂. Wanna learn how to hit the ball like the best ball strikers ever (Jack, Tiger, Rory, Snead, Hogan)? Push off the trail-foot instep and shift hips into lead side.
We discredit no one - just ideas we like and ideas we dislike. You’ll notice we never mention any instructors by name, and always mention there is nothing “wrong” with other systems. Just have our preferred model 🙏
Not sure they can say “preferred model” in their video more often. They even say other patterns will work. They prefer a pattern with far less club head rotation at impact. Cant argue there, this is basically victor hovlands pattern and Ping has tested him to have the least amount of club head rotation during impact on tour. A pattern worth using imo.
Lol. I was about to switch it off when you put the ball under TJ's foot! Rotating the midline past the lead kneecap has never occurred to me. Old-timers used to call this hitting against a firm lead side. You fellas are opening my eyes.
Fantastic!! So happy it’s resonating!!!
For a hip sliding, early extender like me, this is pure gold! It clears up so much gunk both mentally and movement-wise! Planting the lead heel closer to the target and internally rotating the lead femur buys me sooooo much time in transition and allows me to rotate my rib cage much better. Thank you!
Glad it’s helping!
Watched this again so good to go back over these pearls of wisdom
Thanks so much!! Appreciate the kind words!
The way you guys explain things is next level and so much easier for me to understand. Wish I lived closer so I could get a lesson or 5!
Online lessons available for out of state folks 🙏 but wish you were here as well!
That was a bloody game changer for me!!!!
Let’s go 🔥
Love the Elite Golf content. I know this is an older video, but just watched it. Combing this with content with other of your videos I’ve come up with a map of my golf swing based on your principles. Let me know if I’ve missed interpreted these concepts. I know the swing is dynamic, but here are the tidbits I’m using as check points as I buildup my swing this winter:
1. Address - rounded upper a lower back, weight more on the toes.
2. First move on back swing- active move of the chest causing rib sway/ lateral move away from the target. Both the back of the lead shoulder and back of the trail shoulder are unloaded.
3. Spiral the club up. First part of this a active movement with the spiral. The rest of the club moving to the top is momentum as the body is moving into transition (next step). One new sensation for me is at the top of the backswing is experiencing a pull on the outside of the lead foot, which pulls the heal slight towards the target.
4. Transition - lead heel replants with the lead heal slightly closer to the target. This provides a good landing base to support the pelvis bend (active movement of the pelvis away from the ball and slightly towards the target). Lead femor stays internally rotated during the replant.
4. Downswing - begins with rib sway towards the target ( active movement). This loads the back of the lead shoulder and front of the trail shoulder.
5. Through the hit and into the first part of the follow through - active chest rotation, pulling the loaded shoulders through impact and unloading into the finish. Through the hit, the heal of the trail foot rotates away for the target and trail knee does not pass the midline of the body (both passive movements).
Thanks again.
Great stuff! The point about not trying to externally rotate lead knee and instead letting it be a product of upper spine is monumental. So many golf coaches teaching active lead knee external rotation to start downswing without getting pressure forward
Yep! Thanks so much man
That was a good one! I have never seen two guys have more fun giving golf instruction. Thanks for the multiple insights.
It’s a blast bro!
This is by far the best instructional video I have seen period. All videos have something to beneift from but this is pure gold.
Thank you so much!
Great information. Thanks for taking time out.
fantastic - 'good human movement' finally training that relates to reality, well done guys
Let’s go dude! Thank you!
Hey guys just watching video and near the end you had said the kissing knee thing is no good, so i was wondering most coach tell you to have knees together, hips pushed forward and chest to the sky on follow through.
Is this also something i should not try to do?
Thanks for another detailed video. Amazing work and much appreciated!!!
Cheers 👍
Definitely not our favorite type of pattern. There are however many ways to do it 🙏
I’m a member with Milo and he told me I needed more left bend, so I followed your tip to do it early and it was immediate success. Excellent forward low point with irons and hit my drives 25-30 yards longer and straight. Golf heaven, for sure. But my 63 year old low back noticed and I started getting numbness in my right foot. I’ll see if using my hip/leg fascial lines (applying this video) will take my swing stress elsewhere. Hopefully this helps. Crazy to play so well and then realize I may have to go back to an old man swing. But at least I know your system works! Keep up the great work!
Truly - there is a way to execute the moves that is low stress on your body. You’ll have to play with your own personal recipe 🙏 thank you for the comment
I think dual hip flexion is the solution! Wow, I didn’t realize I was extending. I’ll do an online swing evaluation in a few weeks to get your input. It looks like Milo and Hovland keep the trail foot down/flat almost to impact and then spin it around. Is this a common feature of dual hip flexion? Thanks again.
Unfortunately, failing to do dual flexion wasn’t the problem. Doing left side bend early in the backswing can simultaneously increase spinal extension so by p4 I was in a classic reverse spine angle position without realize it. I hit the ball great but I was an injury waiting to happen with the reverse or exaggerated spinal extension hidden behind the scene. TPI says reverse spinal angle is bad for anyone so I guess I got injured not just because I’m an older golfer. Not blaming your instruction. I should have known better. But telling a player to left side bend early in the backswing, even with only the thoracic spine, can possibly lead to or promote a reverse spine angle without realizing it. I’m on the mend though and should be better soon.
So needed to see this. Have been afraid of getting forward on the lead foot (cue fear of hip slide) but seeing how planting feet + spiral work together at p5 to get the sacrum back… mind blown! Already seeing changes in my swing today. Thanks guys!
Love it man! Glad it helped!
Very clear presentation of your system! I tend to believe that David Weck has the more complete picture of athletic movement than GOATA which allows for use of entire foot they agree on locomotion but disagree on a good many things. Victor Hoveland as you mentioned displays the heal spinning away and that pattern produces really solid strikes but he pulls every shot while most great players let the trail heal rise but I don’t see many spin it away because most of the greats didn’t hit pulls. Interestingly both Schedfler and Hoveland hit pull fades from opposite patterns.
David Weck is great, too 👍🏼
I came accross this method a year ago on a foreign youtube channel and implemented it to my swing. I started flashing my irons within a few days. Then, after a few months absence from golf( winter),I went back to my old ways and could not hit a descent iron if somebody offered me a million bucks. Now after watching you explained your method, I feel confident that I will be flashing my irons very soon!! everything you explained makes perfect sense. thanks
Wonderful! Flush 'em!!
PUREST GOLF CONTENT ON YOU TUBE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,KEEP IT UP GUYS SO SO PURE.
Merci beaucoup pour la qualité de vos cours.
Mes remerciements from Morocco
Thank you so much!!
Lots of great information especially the natural movements of the body…are these concepts a little too complex for a beginner to work with or can this be implemented right away to create the right map from the get-go?
We certainly think they can be implemented right away. We’ve seen great success with developing players in doing so 👍🏼
Another great video, love it! Thank you all again for sharing and taking the time put this content out. Learning a lot from you guys 😁
You’re the man!! Thank you for the ❤️!
Love your videos. Are you saying the trail heel turns away from the target to start the downswing?
Not necessarily, that trail heel spin generally happens pretty late through impact 👍🏼
Man you guys are killing it with these videos. Thank you so much for the in-depth advice. And I love the pins and aces Colorado shirts! I’ve got that one as well. What’s the connection to Colorado ? Thanks guys!
We’ve got a location at Lone Tree GC and Hotel in Lone Tree, CO 👍🏼
Great stuff! Might be really cool if you did another video or added in some swings w/ scheffler and hovland (and others) to show the differences side by side
Good idea 👍🏼
Supreme...!! Thaks a ton...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is exactly what I needed! Because of all the teachings I've incorporated in the past I "bank" all the time. This system chain naturally fixes so many of my other issues but the key takeaway is that none of this is driven by the legs but rather the chest and hip systems, correct?
Right on!!!! And yes, definitely chest driven rotation, pelvic system stability
Another quality video with clear explanation! Thank you! You all are the best!
You’re the man Nick!
Been following you guys for sometime now and this is by far the clearest explanation of what you guys preach. amazing stuff guys.
Thank you 🙏 glad you enjoyed
thank you you for this incredible video! 2 years into being addicted to golf and have been trying different concepts to improve my game. watched this video one night and took some concepts out on the course and hit some of the flushest shots I've ever hit! now I'm rewatching to better understand all the finer details. I've been a big "groundforce guy", should one of the big takeaways be that all of my feels should be more core/spine/pelvis focused? instead of focusing on my feet pressure. e.g. from P4 to P5, a swing thought is "pull the rib cage" down and around and up instead of anything lower body?
Riley and TJ! Are you booking lessons in Arizona from May 7th through May 11th? I’ll be in town and I definitely wanna schedule in person lesson!! Please let me know ty.
Hey man! We are actually both located in Colorado now! But please visit our website and fill out a contact form and we’ll get you all sorted out 👍🏼
Great video guys. I absolutely love that right heel move/feel and the the lead femur rotating in is brilliant where it’s a game changer for early extension prevention. However I’m struggling getting a little lower right lumbar pain and I think it has something to do with my shoulders being out of sync with my lower body rotation
If you can incorporate more drop, or “sink” in the pelvis, that generally helps 👍🏼
outstanding detailed coaching!
Thank you!
Great video as always. It seems like a lot of pieces to learn, what’s the easiest way to learn your system?
Start with one video, and slowly digest and implement the exercises. Then move to the next video after a few weeks. Great baseline videos to watch: “Global Golf Swing Principles,” “Load the Spiral Line” and “Unload the Spiral Line”
@@elitegolfschools thanks!
Wow, I'm just catching up with you guys on this Goata Motion. Claude Harmon Sr. gave my pro this action back in the late sixties when he was his assistant at Oak Hill. I have been on this for the last five years. Good Stuff.
Glad you enjoyed man
@@elitegolfschools I just this morning set up a pair of Weck Blocks on some lie boards to see how that would feel. Crazy Good. The high inside ankle bones with a slippery surface beneath you forces you to draw inward and up as the force wants to escape out to the side. I have the video if there is a way to send it to you?
Off the charts again, busting all the damaging myths of bad drills. I’d love a video on gradually adjusting your pattern as you get older. I used to be able to get away with more rotation but now I can’t and occasionally feel like the body stalls and the hands flash past…
Best golf video on the world wise web 👏
That’s some high praise! Thank you!
Hi, Once again you nailed it!
Thank you! Cheers!
thanks for your video, i will book the online lesson, i want to make sure when ds the left mean drop, is it feel drop the hip to the target or drop to left back side？
What an awesome video. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for great videos - Question: trail foot pressure is on the inside heel on the back swing. What is the movement to shift weight from inside rear foot heel to balls of the same foot, where the pressure is more on the outside pinky toe area?
I always had difficulties banking the ankle deal.
Rib sway, all day. We’ve got a lot of content out on this concept 🙏
Is it possible to float and drop if you don’t bring the club all the way back to parallel at the top? Thanks
Absolutely! Just a smaller energy wave!
Great video, wish more coaches understood how to move safely for the spine inthe golf swing.
Many do! Just trying to get the word out 🙏
I have never used force plates while teaching but would your movement pattern produce a lighter reading on them as there is no pushing off the ground? Or would the numbers look similar? 🤔
@@michaelborrett it depends on the player… but there are definitely spikes in GRF for every player in this model
absolutely great!
In the preferred movement pattern, when does the sacrum start moving forward to the target. is it between P7and P8?
Depends on energy level but yes probably a good map
How do I inquire about an on line session?
elitegolfofaz.com/online-lessons/
So so good... As usual! 👏👏👊
Thank you!!
Internally rotating lead knee as belt buckle pints ahead of lead knee at same time as trail heel spins away from target and you move into the delivery position is huge power source hereto unexplored by me.Awesome.
Yes! Let’s go!! 🔥
Might want to explain this by explaining what “ closed chain” motion is. Describing what occurs in terms of entire lower extremity joint movement. Good video
Loving this Channel!! Might I suggest a clarification with background as a physical therapist. Your explanation about the front leg internal rotation is technically correct, but logically a little confusing. When deciding whether something is internally rotating or externally rotation, we are talking about a joint, not a bone. So, we are looking at the joint of the femur into the pelvis. We need to compare the femur motion to the pelvis motion. The point i think is that looking at the femur in space, it looks to be externally rotating. However, the pelvis is turning the same direction in space and MORE than the femur is. So, the net motion at the pelvic femoral joint is internal rotation.
That’s correct! What we tried to convey here 🙏
Would you do the water bottle behind the trail foot drill, but instead of trying to avoid it, try to knock it down?
I’m not sure I would purposely knock it down, but I like where your head is at!
This really makes sense!
Thank you! Glad it helped!
Great feel to spiral drop wait wait wait then unload like cam young for effortless speed
Exactly!
Can you set up other cameras? For face on view and from the rear as well? It would help tremendously!!
Yes, we’ll add this eventually
Great video! Makes a lot of sense by following a more natural body movement. But am trying to wrap my head around your system and customizing a swing based on the swing catalyst system which may take into account the player’s lead/rear foot dominance. Does this system promote a singular pattern of feet pressure in the swing while foregoing feet shearing force? Hope that makes sense. Appreciate your feedback.
We just see pressure shift in the feet as not the best marker. If you understand ribs and pelvis matchups, then the pressure shift tends to take care of itself. Nothing wrong with using the data, though
Another great video. Big fans of you guys and of Milo. Question: I like to think of where I CAN be active in the swing (i.e. where I can tell my brain to apply force/effort). In your system where do you send that signal? Is it actively moving in a way that stretches the spiral line in both directions (back and then through the ball), symmetrically, and the rest of the body is passive? What’s the best way to think of that? I now know not to actively push off of the trail or lead foot, but to let them respond. Hope that makes sense. Thanks! PS I’m a definite “jump off the ground” victim and I will now be stopping that!
Active spiral line stretch early in the backswing, chillll in transition, active spiral line stretch through the strike (relatively mirror images). Hope this helps 🙏
@@elitegolfschools thank you! That makes perfect sense. Now gotta go grind 👊
I understand where jumping to extension is detrimental . What’s your opinion on the force plate studies / eval done by Dr Scott Lynn(?)
Great work 🙏
Amazing guys!
Thank you!
Rolling ankles- Nicklaus method, however he reset his front foot as you demonstrated and had a backward motion often thru ball with driver and long irons. Interesting… Lots of hip issues???
Nicklaus definitely had some body issues, but still one of the 🐐’s
Scottie scheffler seems to hv the same lower body n legs movements like wat u r saying .especially the right foot twisting away
So so good!
Thank you!
Been taught to bank the trail foot, this is first time someone has said different!
I’ve done it many times myself! Live and learn 🙏
Many instructors call that spinning out
Watching many Pros hit their irons as best that I can tell the right heal seems to move just after the ball is hit and as part of stroke completion. Please comment. Great site!
Sounds right 👍🏼
As long as the intent is there to move it in that pattern. I heard this before but never took it serious. Now I do, hearing it from this video.
Any videos on chipping?
Not yet! Coming soon!
Great video -also-You two finally have decent clothing on 🤣 My gosh your attire clashed so hard before
It did??? News to me lol 😂
So ideally, the sacrum move doesn’t happen until the pressure is shifted left?
Yes, sacrum moves away AFTER p5 👍🏼
As an orthopedic surgeon, it is easier to think of the pelvis rotating more externally through contact than is the femur. This results in the left hip is rotating internally in the hip socket.
Whatever works for you bro!
Working on this and feel very spin-outy. The missing piece?
Amazing video! Like a bear to honey. So much good stuff.
So glad you enjoyed!
Sam Snead said he wanted a large separation of knees (a horse riding look) thru the hit.
Yep, and we can definitely talk feels (which are personal to the player) compared to studies that define healthy, reliable movement. Definitely never wanting to argue anyone’s personal feels AND people are more than welcome to move any way they would like to. That’s the beauty of learning within various systems 🙏❤️
Where is your academy located at( state, city)?
In AZ we are located in Cave Creek and Gilbert. In CO we are located in Lone Tree.
Excellent content and explanation. I’m struggling to integrate a honey hole ‘feel’ with some of these new thoughts. Does it make sense to focus more of trail knee & upper leg, then down into trail foot if honey hole is my transition feel?
The reason we make so much content is to give people a wide array of focal points. You can’t go wrong with whichever you choose!
Hilarious that as a complete beginner I used to have similar foot leg patterns. But after countless lessons and instructions elsewhere, I’m the prime example now of the unhealthy pattern and bad maps 😂
Often times we are taught out of good natural movement as a “bandaid fix” rather than a permanent one. We’ve all been through it!
No matter how hard i try to do this my left hip slides towards target. And from down the line, if you drew a line on my head it moves away from the ball. But if you drew line on my butt it appears that the hips work properly where i keep the left hip on the wall. Yet at impact, impact position screams early extension. Ive tried everything cant achieve the proper feels and positions as this.
Your suggesting that a golfer should be in hip flexion at and past impact? In this video at about 18 minutes, TJ is shown going through impact (in slow motion, without a ball, and exaggerated) and it appears that at and just past impact his head is closer to the target than another part of his body, except his lead foot. This is a bit mind blowing for me! So many instructor and systems suggest your hips thrust toward the target with impact. Am I understanding your teaching correctly? I tried it and was pleased with my results. However, I would like you know from you if I'm understanding your teaching correctly. Thanks!
You are understanding correctly! We definitely don’t love the hip thrust patterns
@@elitegolfschools I've always thought "stack and tilt" was "suboptimal"!
S&T is suboptimal for most but great for some. Are you comparing S&T to this pattern or did I misunderstand your comment?
Does your right leg flex (right handed golfer) remain consistent from address to the top of the back swing or does it slight reduce it's flex as compared to the address position? Thanks for your help.
For most, slightly reduce flex 👍🏼
perfect ✌
Thank you 🙏
What about foot flair? Where do you guys stand on that?
It will help most with range of motion 👍
@@elitegolfschools With regard to???
@@sd1132 foot flair at address, that’s what I thought you were alluding to? Was I wrong??
@@elitegolfschools No, but can you explain what you mean by “range of motion”? Specifically with regard to what?
Range of motion with hips/pelvis
And Nicklaus banked his trail foot
Y’all talk a lot about GOATA movement, when you are in your stance (at address position) before your shot do you instruct your students to be inside ankle bone high? Basically do you recommend your players start out at address position with their
Love all your videos by the way. They’re the best RUclips instruction I’ve been able to find and apply directly to my game with positive results. Honesty better than some in person instruction I’ve received. Can’t wait to see what y’all put out next!
GOATA is great for general movement principles in every day life. In general, better to pressure more outside edge (IABH) rather than inside edge. However anything can be overdone 👍🏼
Thank the Lord. Me trying to force my lead knee out was proving to be futile lol
I've drawn Hogan's seqence countless times so my eye has it's bias.( I don't find any modern swings aesthetically appealing.) Sadly, your representings as to the ground, foot, leg matrix to my eye appear cartoonish, pretzely and ungainly. I suppose my arse is sucking wind( golf DOES bring out the whack job in the soul). Elsewise I'm astonished at the level of efficacy of your presentation. I deeply appreciate your efforts. I am grateful esp that you speak UP to the viewer. Nice. So...GODDABLESS MIS AMIGOS!
Appreciate the kind words! Hit them well!!! 🙏
Wish you guys used for layman’s terms.
I hear you brother
@@elitegolfschools def meant no offense or anything but example like supinate pronate to just take a second and show which direction that means. You may have and maybe I missed it. But either way that’s for all the guidance!!
@@jzpat we definitely try to show but sometimes skip into the meat and potatoes of the session. The Google machine is a great place to quickly check terms 🙏🙏
I think one of my favorite part of your videos is no offense to TJ but he doesn't seem like an athletic freak who is able to do things just because of some god given talent(which im sure he has plenty)! Certain youtube golf coaches show themselves doing what they think is right without realizing they are gifted and 95% of normal golfers who were never to a 3 handicap or better will ever have a chance to do and they end up chasing the dragon because of a few outliers that teacher tends to show to quantitate his desired preferences... anyways long rant good job guys keep it up
Appreciate this feedback bro 🙏
Man when I try this, I feel like my right hip cant do what it needs to in the backswing.
Might be interesting to examine your ideas of what it “needs” to do? 🤔
I just saw a video where a coach was saying to turn the right foot (right-hander) to a 3-clock position on the downswing. Which is so difficult for me to do, you explain the opposite, which is what I do, but you explain how to do it correctly. What do you think about the 3 o'clock motion on the downswing.?.
I really wish I watched this video before I just hit balls. Just spent an hour working on the “knees kissing”!
Haha!! Been there bro
I must say it in German: das beste vom besten, diese blöden Bewegungen, O Beinig hochspringen usw,die alle gezeigt werden,
totaler Blödsinn. Bravo, Bravo
Waouh, you’re killing some many myths in 1 video…like when you go back to your system motto: healthy body! 👍👍👍
Healthy body is the priority!
While I understand and appreciate what you're doing here, it's TMI for most students I'd imagine. With the correct instructions communicated, I'd assume most of this would happen naturally 🤷♂️
Understand the complexities in order to simplify later on 👍
Wanna learn how to spin out the body and slice the rest of your life? Watch this video 😂. Wanna learn how to hit the ball like the best ball strikers ever (Jack, Tiger, Rory, Snead, Hogan)? Push off the trail-foot instep and shift hips into lead side.
You lost me at “Trail Foot Complex”, sorry.
Hit ‘em well man 🙏
Lol I love the responses to non smart comments. That’s self control, good job gents!
@@craigg2058 Yeah, I get it. Apartment complex, military industrial complex, green complex, trail foot complex. Complexes have become quite complex.
you spending way too much time discrediting others. too bad.
We discredit no one - just ideas we like and ideas we dislike. You’ll notice we never mention any instructors by name, and always mention there is nothing “wrong” with other systems. Just have our preferred model 🙏
Not sure they can say “preferred model” in their video more often. They even say other patterns will work. They prefer a pattern with far less club head rotation at impact. Cant argue there, this is basically victor hovlands pattern and Ping has tested him to have the least amount of club head rotation during impact on tour. A pattern worth using imo.